WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 20 May

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sharry,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Monday wherever you happen to be. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for joining us here tonight. Heroes walk amongst us.

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<v Speaker 1>They do it each and every day in our emergency services.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we focus in on what we mentioned at the

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<v Speaker 1>start of last night's show, A hero police officer in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>a person who was doing traffic duty when someone came

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<v Speaker 1>up from behind and is alleged to have stabbed them

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<v Speaker 1>twice in the back of the head. I can now

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<v Speaker 1>tell you who the police officer is because, believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, he's actually out of hospital tonight. Elvis Power

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<v Speaker 1>is his name. His dad collected him from hospital today,

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<v Speaker 1>smiling face, representing our community and keeping us safe. This

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<v Speaker 1>bloke is unbelievable. Now, the person who is believed has

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<v Speaker 1>been i should say, accused of the stabbing has now

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<v Speaker 1>been formally charged. But I want to give you some

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<v Speaker 1>detail here because this is extraordinary what took place. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>think about this in any line of work, but certainly

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<v Speaker 1>that this was a very targeted effort because one person

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<v Speaker 1>was the police officer. One person wasn't very simple. Right today,

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<v Speaker 1>the police Commissioner gave us a little bit of information

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<v Speaker 1>about exactly what happened while Elvis was working traffic patrol

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of Sydney on a Sunday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>We will allege at about one ten pm yesterday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>whilst officers were conducting duties on the corner of Castlereagh

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<v Speaker 2>in Park Street, that an unprovoked attack occurred where an

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<v Speaker 2>officer was struck from behind from by an offender currently

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<v Speaker 2>charged them before the court. However, we will allege that

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<v Speaker 2>he was in possession of a knife and stabbed the

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<v Speaker 2>officer in the back of the head at least two times,

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<v Speaker 2>causing two skull fractures.

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<v Speaker 1>Extraordinary Now, apart from the fact that this assault is

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<v Speaker 1>alleged to have taken place, what about Elvis, the pride

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<v Speaker 1>of his family and the pride of the police force.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the fact that he had been stabbed twice in

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the head, he continued to chase the

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<v Speaker 1>bloke with the knife.

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<v Speaker 2>He was chased down by the victim offender and another officer,

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<v Speaker 2>and shortly after other officers arrested the offender on Elizabeth Street.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, he was charged, beall refused.

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<v Speaker 3>And put before the court.

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<v Speaker 2>He appeared at court this morning and has been bell

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<v Speaker 2>refused until the ninth of July.

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<v Speaker 1>As I understand what a superhuman thing to do that

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<v Speaker 1>he literally was so selfless. Elvis was not thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>himself who had been stabbed. Instead, I'm going to get in.

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<v Speaker 1>That is phenomenal. Now people have spoken to Elvis, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully you'll get the chance to give interviews in the

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<v Speaker 1>next couple of days. But this show is pro cop

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<v Speaker 1>and we're pro cop because of people like Elvis, who

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment goes from taking care of traffic, becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a victim and then chasing down the attacker. What a champion.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to both those officers since yesterday, and one

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<v Speaker 2>officer has been in hospital as you can imagine, and

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<v Speaker 2>was under observation, and the other officer is at home.

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<v Speaker 2>They are doing well. I've commended them for their actions,

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<v Speaker 2>their courageous actions yesterday in what, as I said, we

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<v Speaker 2>will allege was an unprovoked attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Constable Elvis Power, you are amazing. He's at a hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll take obviously a few days to recover, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he's back keeping people safe. Thank you for what you do, mate,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for your service. Thank you to everyone in

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<v Speaker 1>the police services all around the country. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>toughest job and you are the heroes amongst us. Well done. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>huge news today is that police specifically in New South

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<v Speaker 1>Wales decided to swoop on not dozens, but hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>people who are believed to be significant domestic violence offenders

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<v Speaker 1>in and around New South Wales. This was phenomenal to

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<v Speaker 1>see all of this take place today. The message to

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<v Speaker 1>abuses pretty bloody clear.

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<v Speaker 4>Something has to give. These offenders have got to get

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<v Speaker 4>the message that abuse of females is not acceptable, domestic

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<v Speaker 4>violence is not acceptable and we will not stop in

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<v Speaker 4>our operation now.

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<v Speaker 1>Compare this to the weak is proverbial actions of national

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<v Speaker 1>Cabinet when all the politicians that will pat the police

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<v Speaker 1>officers on the back today had an opportunity to get

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<v Speaker 1>together to agree on a piece of legislation that guaranteed

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<v Speaker 1>that anyone with form still before the courts on potential

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<v Speaker 1>domestic violence charges should have their bail refused. No example

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Instead, no, everyone bought the headline of the

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars payment, which by the way doesn't kick

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<v Speaker 1>in until not July this year. July next year, empty

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<v Speaker 1>promises and we all know when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime minister. He bullied his way onto the stage at

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<v Speaker 1>a rally of people demanding more action. He made the

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<v Speaker 1>organizer cry. But she, of course has now been pushed

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<v Speaker 1>into hiding because once you cross this Prime Minister he

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<v Speaker 1>wishes you well, as do his supporters in the media

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<v Speaker 1>and on social media. Now, Australia has got too many

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<v Speaker 1>people coming into the country too frequently. This has been

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<v Speaker 1>the case for years, but particularly since the Abanese government

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<v Speaker 1>came to power. We've given you the numbers, we've given

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<v Speaker 1>you the data, and one person notices this and he

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<v Speaker 1>is going to do something about it should he become

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime minister. Peter Dutton. He, of course last week

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<v Speaker 1>and his Budget and reply speech said there is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a significant reduction in immigration. Why because there's

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<v Speaker 1>an awful lot of problems that come with more people

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<v Speaker 1>being added to the keys of housing and hospitals and

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<v Speaker 1>schools and all the rest of it. There will still

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<v Speaker 1>be more than one hundred thousand people have got skills

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<v Speaker 1>to come into the country, but we're going to tap

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<v Speaker 1>the breaks now. Of course, this is sent the Left

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<v Speaker 1>is absolutely nuts we begin with the Treasurer, whose entire

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<v Speaker 1>budget plan is based off the Ponzi scheme of tipping

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<v Speaker 1>in hundreds of thousands more new people who pay tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Bugger where they live, Buger the pressures on the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Bugger the pressures on the society. Here's the Treasurer telling

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<v Speaker 1>us why Peter Dutton's got a bird idea.

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<v Speaker 5>It'll cost the economy billions of dollars. But even the

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<v Speaker 5>kinds of estimates that you will see are conservative because

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<v Speaker 5>it's not possible to fully capture the damage that Peter

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<v Speaker 5>Dutton would do to the skills base of this country,

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<v Speaker 5>to our hospitals, on our building sites, the sorts of

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<v Speaker 5>things that he hasn't thought through.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, not a total stop in immigration. They're just going

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<v Speaker 1>to make it seem like that. Instead he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a significant reduction in the number. There's still going

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<v Speaker 1>to be one hundred thousand people coming in each and

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<v Speaker 1>every year for a couple of years. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers required to be the nurses, and to be the sparkys,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be the engineers. And it doesn't take long

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<v Speaker 1>that when it's an idea that's put up by the

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal Party, it's racist According to the Greens, don't get

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<v Speaker 1>sucked in by the racist trope from Peter Dutton and

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party. Now, where was this the economy's going

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<v Speaker 1>to collapse and it's lots of racism. When the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister and his clueless immigration minister, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as clues Clara Now the Home Affairs Minister was announcing

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<v Speaker 1>what was it, Oh, that's right, that they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to have the number of people coming into the country

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<v Speaker 1>now while Peter Dutey's planning to go even further. Where

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<v Speaker 1>was the scream of racism. Where was Jim Chalmers saying,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do it because you'll destroy the economy. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all rubbish. Instead, it's where normal people are. That

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<v Speaker 1>people understand that when you get up early, sit on

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<v Speaker 1>a motorway, squint because the sun's in your eyes, and

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<v Speaker 1>then do the same thing as you're coming home, that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people here. When you go to

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<v Speaker 1>look for a rental property, there's lines around the block.

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<v Speaker 1>When people are bidding for houses, you are bidding against

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of thousands of people who were not in the

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<v Speaker 1>country just a couple of years ago. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>an argument against immigration. It's an argument about not adding

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<v Speaker 1>to the problem. For his part, Peter Dutton says the

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of his policy is more people will be able

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<v Speaker 1>to buy a house because fewer people will be competing

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<v Speaker 1>for the house.

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<v Speaker 6>The Prime Minister is making the housing crisis much much worse,

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<v Speaker 6>and Australians need homes now. We believe that by rebalancing

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<v Speaker 6>the migration program and taking decisive action on the housing crisis,

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<v Speaker 6>the Coalition can free up almost forty thousand additional homes

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<v Speaker 6>in the first year and well over one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 6>homes in the first five years.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as the Greens are going to hate it

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<v Speaker 1>and Nasty Nicky's going to hate it and all of

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<v Speaker 1>the other gallery people that hate this idea or will

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<v Speaker 1>try to turn it into he's stopping He's not stopping immigration,

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<v Speaker 1>he's reducing immigration. Guess where the Australian people are the

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<v Speaker 1>poll that we showed you last night. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>drive home again for you here this evening in the

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<v Speaker 1>Resolved Political Monitor, which is the fancy way of saying

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<v Speaker 1>the pole that turns up in the Citny Morning Herald.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Age the Channel Line newspapers, fifty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>Australians currently believe that the amount that are coming in

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<v Speaker 1>this year, which is the next year, is too high.

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<v Speaker 1>The poll before that said that it was too high.

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<v Speaker 1>The poll before that in July last year said that

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<v Speaker 1>it was too high. The poll before that in November

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one said that it was too high. And

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<v Speaker 1>also if that doesn't flow you both that you think

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<v Speaker 1>there's something wrong with that polling organization. What about the

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<v Speaker 1>one that appears in the Turnbull Times, the Essential Research Report,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the polling used in the Guardian. It says

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine percent of people believe even a cap on

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<v Speaker 1>migration i e. Peter Dutton's idea to help housing now.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly as well to note here is that one of

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<v Speaker 1>the other things that Peter Dutton is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>putting in place, which you notice none of the media

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about because they know how popular it

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<v Speaker 1>will be. Peter Dutton is going to in the first

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years of his Prime ministership whenever that may

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<v Speaker 1>well come about, he will stop foreign investors being able

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<v Speaker 1>to bid for Australian homes and anyone who has gone

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<v Speaker 1>through a scenario of trying to bid for a house

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<v Speaker 1>at auction anytime in the past twenty years, let alone

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<v Speaker 1>the past couple of years. Knows it is you versus

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of mysteries about where the money is coming from,

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<v Speaker 1>and people who have migrated to the country or born

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<v Speaker 1>in the country are not able to buy because of

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<v Speaker 1>the foreign money that is washing around. Now. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually went back and had to look through the

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<v Speaker 1>Treasury statistics on this, and they try to hide it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I worked that out. Today. Has this six point

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<v Speaker 1>six b four billion dollars worth of real estate residential

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<v Speaker 1>real estate was bought by overseas investors last year. Now

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<v Speaker 1>think about it. If it's million dollar properties, well, how

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<v Speaker 1>many of those can you get for six point six

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars for a couple of years, Fewer people competing

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<v Speaker 1>with you at an auction, and you're not competing against

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<v Speaker 1>foreign buyers with limitless money that they're trying to hide

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<v Speaker 1>from offshore. It's a brilliant idea. It's an idea that

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<v Speaker 1>will absolutely connect with Australians, which means the press, gallery,

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<v Speaker 1>the media, the labor Party, they'll all have to turn

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<v Speaker 1>around and call it racist because God forbid, you should

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<v Speaker 1>be able to buy a house in Australia, that it

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<v Speaker 1>should be easier for your kids or your grandkids to

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<v Speaker 1>buy a house in Australia. I meantime, it's not even

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<v Speaker 1>a week since the federal budget and no one's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the federal budget anymore. Now. Remember the whole idea

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<v Speaker 1>was that this is a big scene ce change in

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<v Speaker 1>political fortunes. It wasn't even a week since we showed

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<v Speaker 1>you the awkwardness of this last week and the lead

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<v Speaker 1>up to the budget. Out of sympathy for you, I

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<v Speaker 1>will not replay the audio, but it was funny. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the budget was two little too late tax

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<v Speaker 1>cuts and a power bill credit that you won't notice.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing that was also in the budget that

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<v Speaker 1>nobody noticed until this weekend was that the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>is getting a brand new private jet. Yay, hey bus

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<v Speaker 1>Alba gets to keep flying around in an even bigger

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<v Speaker 1>and more comfortable plane. There's one for a minister and

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<v Speaker 1>there's ones for the Governor General as well. But you

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<v Speaker 1>should be happy with your thirty six dollars a week

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<v Speaker 1>and your twenty five dollars a month power bill. Four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty million dollars being spent on private jets

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<v Speaker 1>for the kids who don't care. So Erebus Albow currently

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<v Speaker 1>calls the Prime ministerial jet Toto one. What will he

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<v Speaker 1>call the new one? Toto to Toto one point five?

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<v Speaker 1>What will it be? As he swans from country to

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<v Speaker 1>country pretending he can't possibly answer questions about divestic policy

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<v Speaker 1>while he's overseas. See how it works. All the money

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<v Speaker 1>for them, all the gold stars for them. You get

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<v Speaker 1>screwed over in the budget and they get private jets.

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<v Speaker 1>No wonder the reviews of the budget weren't great. We

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<v Speaker 1>told you that on the night of the budget, the

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<v Speaker 1>day after the budget, and now less than a week

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<v Speaker 1>after the budget, the polling is confirming exactly what we

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<v Speaker 1>knew about the rubbish that was being peddled by the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister and the treasure role. We're fixing cost of living,

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<v Speaker 1>We're here to care. They're buying private jets for themselves now,

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<v Speaker 1>according to this thirty nine percent of voters. So the

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<v Speaker 1>budget will make inflation worse. If that's the case, interest

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<v Speaker 1>rates go up. If interest rates go up, well hell

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for lots of people now. Amazingly, the same

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<v Speaker 1>number of thirty nine percent was exactly the amount that

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<v Speaker 1>was shown in Newspoll as well, so two separate polling

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<v Speaker 1>companies about the same forty percent of people saying they

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<v Speaker 1>expect interest rates to go up as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>the idiocy of the Prime Minister buying private jests for

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<v Speaker 1>himself and a treasurer pretending that if they cut migration

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<v Speaker 1>it's good, but if the Opposition cuts migration, no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to destroy the budge. However, there is Newspole, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to point out here that in Newspole things

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<v Speaker 1>got ever so slightly better for the government. It was

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one forty nine, it is now fifty two to

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight, meaning that they would be able to form

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<v Speaker 1>a minority government or get close to forming a government

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<v Speaker 1>in their own majority. But that's only one pole. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>in the Financial Review pole it says that the Liberal

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<v Speaker 1>Party vote is at forty percent. If that's the case,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very competitive. Labour is at just thirty two percent,

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<v Speaker 1>which means they're two party preferred. You can see the

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<v Speaker 1>bottomleft end corner is fifty to fifty and if you think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>no known newspoles, that's the only one you've got to follow.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a look at this graph. Each little dot is

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<v Speaker 1>the two party preferred number that's gone since March of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three through to April. Now the direction for

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<v Speaker 1>the government is from the top left hand corner to

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<v Speaker 1>under fifty percent. Cos Samaras, who is a Polster but

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<v Speaker 1>used to work for the Labor Party, says this Labour's

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<v Speaker 1>primary vote shows more fluctuation because a portion of their

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<v Speaker 1>support base is undecided, wavering between voting for Labor or

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<v Speaker 1>a minor party or an independent. This variability could shift

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<v Speaker 1>from month to month. His suggestion is it's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to Liberals instead, it's going into anything but which could

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<v Speaker 1>lead into minority government. Some media coverage today fails to

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<v Speaker 1>grasp this trend. If the economic situation deteriorates for these

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<v Speaker 1>type of voters, this trend could significantly worsen. Geez, it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like we've been saying that all the time. And

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<v Speaker 1>why because seventy seven percent of Australians are currently living

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<v Speaker 1>under a cost of living pressure. That's a finder dot

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<v Speaker 1>com dot au. Most people don't think the economy gets better,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it does, it's ever so slightly. And remember,

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<v Speaker 1>even if the Zerbank does eventually cut interest rates, their

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<v Speaker 1>prediction for twenty twenty six is that you will still

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<v Speaker 1>be paying seventy five percent of the increases in your

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<v Speaker 1>interest rates since Albo became Prime Minister and Jim Charmers

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<v Speaker 1>became Treasurer. Now another little issue here that we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to point out here, which is the Prime Minister heavily

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<v Speaker 1>distracted last year, spent four hundred and fifty million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>on a referendum that Australians went from hell yes to

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<v Speaker 1>hell no. Every day he campaigned it got worse. The

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<v Speaker 1>expectation was in term one the voice to Parliament that

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<v Speaker 1>would make him a historic figure. In term two Australia

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<v Speaker 1>would become a republic and then he would be a

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<v Speaker 1>labor hero forever. Now, of course the way that he

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<v Speaker 1>signaled that that was the case was because he made

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<v Speaker 1>a blow called Matt Thistlethwaite the Minister for the Republic

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<v Speaker 1>eight hours a day, five days a week on what

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know if it came with

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<v Speaker 1>any staff for or it was just a title so

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<v Speaker 1>he can debate on Radio National. Peter van Onslan in

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<v Speaker 1>the Daily Mail says, when there is a reshuffle of

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<v Speaker 1>this government and inevitably people like Andrew Giles get the

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<v Speaker 1>hevo from Immigration perhaps clueless Claire or if we can

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<v Speaker 1>hope lots of other people go guess what job's going

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<v Speaker 1>to disappear? The Minister for the Republic because even Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>albneez he knows after spending four hundred and fifty million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars on he yes, no question that he lost. Australians

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<v Speaker 1>have no interest in doing that anytime in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>And a Republic refereendum well in cost even more, wouldn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>So alas his beachhead of becoming a labor hero will disappear,

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<v Speaker 1>and not before time. Now you know I can't stand

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<v Speaker 1>the Queensland government, It's Premier Stephen Miles in particular. Why

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<v Speaker 1>because they've driven the joint into the ground. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>love Queensland and if I could have the blood transfusions

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<v Speaker 1>to become a Queenslander, I would, but take your pick

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<v Speaker 1>from youth crime to or whole bunch of other issues.

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<v Speaker 1>This bloke is cooked, and this bloke is cooked at

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<v Speaker 1>the upcoming election. And one of the biggest reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>is because of what the Labour Party has done to

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<v Speaker 1>the hospitals and the ambulance services in Queensland Labour have

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<v Speaker 1>been power with the exception of three years, for the

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<v Speaker 1>best part of thirty years in Queensland. Queensland has an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity in a few months to get a new broom

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<v Speaker 1>and actually fix their problems, and they're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to do something because despite the fact that they changed

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<v Speaker 1>the minister and they change the spin and they've got

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<v Speaker 1>the social media videos and they've got the new premiere

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<v Speaker 1>ambulance ramping, the amount of time that an ambulance spends

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<v Speaker 1>with a person in the back not being able to

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<v Speaker 1>drop them off at a hospital is now at record

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<v Speaker 1>levels never been worse. In the March quarter, forty forty

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<v Speaker 1>five point five percent of Queensland patients spent more than

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes on a ramp being waiting to go into hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>So how's about that forty five percent of people who

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<v Speaker 1>go into an ambulance stay in an ambulance because there's

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<v Speaker 1>no room at the hospital for at least thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is unbelievable. They have had billions of dollars and

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<v Speaker 1>decades to do something and the unions on their side,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's never in worse. And while you may think

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't had to call Triple O. It's not my problem,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just for Fred and Mary down the street. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one day it is you, one day it is your partner,

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<v Speaker 1>your kid, your parents, and you deserve a hospital system

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<v Speaker 1>where the ambulance can drop you off you're taking care

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<v Speaker 1>of in the hospital and more importantly, the ambulance can

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<v Speaker 1>go and pick up somebody else. How many times did

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<v Speaker 1>we teddy at the end of last year about the

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<v Speaker 1>number of people who died because of the hospitals and

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<v Speaker 1>the ambulance ramping in Queensland. Well since then it's got worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Weld under the Courier Male, who have had particular focus

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<v Speaker 1>on the data because Queensland Health and the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 1>do their best to try to hide it. Weld under

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Jones and the team here, who again under the

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<v Speaker 1>banner of queens and Health shows forty five percent of

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<v Speaker 1>patients waiting outside in the editorial today. This set, it figures,

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<v Speaker 1>while understandably damaging for the government, at least gives Queensland

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<v Speaker 1>as a complete picture of the efficiency of our health system,

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<v Speaker 1>or should I say lack thereof. It might even be

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<v Speaker 1>used to inform decisions when requiring hospital care. Regular releases

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<v Speaker 1>of the same data sets sets government to be able to,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than hide from the truth, actually give the public

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<v Speaker 1>information that matters. Yes, occasionally it'll be damaging for a

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<v Speaker 1>governor or minister, but bugger it, so be it. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>what they do is they used to do these things monthly,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they move them quarterly. Then they go back

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<v Speaker 1>to monthly, and then they hide it on a website,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they do a press release and then they

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<v Speaker 1>only put it in the annual report. Everything they can

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<v Speaker 1>to try to hide this information from Queenslanders. But anyone

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<v Speaker 1>in Queensland knows. You call triple zero, it may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not turn up in regional Queensland. As we've told

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<v Speaker 1>you the stories people who have called triple Oh, the

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<v Speaker 1>paramedic turns up. And if you need to go into

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the ambulance and the paramedic needs to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of you because there's no other paramedic in

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<v Speaker 1>the passenger's seat, a family member might have to drive

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<v Speaker 1>the freaking ambulance. Get rid of this mob. Get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of them so cleanly, because they don't deserve a day

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<v Speaker 1>longer in power, and Queensland deserves way better than the

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<v Speaker 1>rubbish being served up by Miles and the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>his merry men and women who are fools, who are

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<v Speaker 1>great at politics but terrible at public administration. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversations d ajure at the moment is in and

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<v Speaker 1>around social media and particularly the effects that it's having

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<v Speaker 1>on our kids. There are also the Daily Telegraph, the

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<v Speaker 1>Adelaide Advertiser and the Quariamal today are getting behind a

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<v Speaker 1>great campaign which is saying let them be kids. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a campaign that is all about making sure that

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<v Speaker 1>we keep kids away from social media until they're really

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<v Speaker 1>quite advanced teenagers, and even then we all know you

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<v Speaker 1>should stay away from this as far as you want now.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, this should have been dealt with by National

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<v Speaker 1>Cabinet when they were meeting a few weeks ago, but

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't even agree on bail laws about domestic violence. This,

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<v Speaker 1>of course should be a priority for a federal government

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<v Speaker 1>to get all state governments together, but no state governments

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<v Speaker 1>have to go it alone. On Auscus says that it's

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen year olds. It's the first time he should be

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<v Speaker 1>able to have a social media account. But in New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wells they're going to go one better. And Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Means plays all other labor leaders off a break as

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<v Speaker 1>a bloke who understands it and gets on with it. Now,

0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>he could do a lot more when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>bail Law's sure, but on social media, this bloke is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly where it should be. He's going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>summit in the next little while so he can get

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<v Speaker 1>all of the input. But he's wanting to get towards

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<v Speaker 1>a full ban on social media access for anyone under

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<v Speaker 1>the age of sixteen. First the media.

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<v Speaker 7>Summer, We've decided to hold social media summit so he

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<v Speaker 7>can get the experts around the table. We can look

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<v Speaker 7>at legislative change reforms in this space to keep kids safe,

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<v Speaker 7>to arm parents with the information they need to make

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<v Speaker 7>the best decisions for their children.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, if he's floating right now that the plan

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<v Speaker 1>is that kids only over the age of sixteen will

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<v Speaker 1>have access to social media, that is what will end

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<v Speaker 1>up being the outcome.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it is the right age, or at least

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<v Speaker 8>the limit. Maybe a lot of sixteen year olds with

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<v Speaker 8>even that isn't old enough. To be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 8>when you consider what you're exposed to as a result

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<v Speaker 8>of being on social media, I've got to make a

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<v Speaker 8>decision about with it that's enforceable at the state level.

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<v Speaker 8>It'd be better if we could do it at a

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<v Speaker 8>national level.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I want you to think about social media the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that you think about a casino. No natural light,

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<v Speaker 1>no clocks, and essentially it's a system to release, dopamine

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the thing that sets off in our head little feelings

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:36.240
<v Speaker 1>of goodness. Now, social media works just like a casino.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you're in the business is about keeping you there. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are great documentaries and lots of them all over

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<v Speaker 1>and know any of them you can find, I want

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<v Speaker 1>them to show you, show them to yourself, and then

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<v Speaker 1>have a look to teenage kids or grandkids. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>how frankly evil these companies can be sometimes. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the reality is that adults have got a problem

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<v Speaker 1>with social media. I certainly know that I've spent many

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<v Speaker 1>too many nights looking at reels. So you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I've done. I delete the app every couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll remember, oh, that's right, Instagram, and I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>and have a look. But I'm not on there all day,

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<v Speaker 1>every day, constantly just searching for distraction. And the truth is,

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to our kids, when they're eight, nine, ten, eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve thirteen. They don't have a job. So the only

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<v Speaker 1>way they get access to a smartphone is if we

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:32.240
<v Speaker 1>buy them one. Now, there's technology that exists that means

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 1>you can buy a dumb phone. If you're one of

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<v Speaker 1>those people who believes that after your kid starts catching

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<v Speaker 1>the train or the bus that you should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to call them and they should be able to call you.

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<v Speaker 1>There are phones where you can go into anything from

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Norman through to the telcos and they will sell

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<v Speaker 1>you a phone that's got the numbers on it and

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. There's even ones with no cameras on it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we need to be giving our kids. When

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<v Speaker 1>we turn around and give them the casino in their hand,

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.959
<v Speaker 1>are we ever surprised that they get lost in it?

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh but my friend's got one. Yeah, okay, I get it.

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.239
<v Speaker 1>But I certainly know we're having the conversation with our

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 1>kids as they're starting to feel the pressure. And I

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 1>can't believe it. When I've got a kid in you

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<v Speaker 1>three is starting to have the chat about the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not happening because this is a destructive force. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're at home and you want to watch things

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube with them, and if you want to look

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<v Speaker 1>at other things maybe on the adult phone. Okay, that's

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:37.919
<v Speaker 1>your business. But giving the kid the device that you

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<v Speaker 1>then two, three, four or five years later say they're

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<v Speaker 1>addicted to, well, just like any other form of addiction,

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<v Speaker 1>from gambling, to drugs to booze, it's not just about

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 1>your exposure to it. It's not just about your it's

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 1>not just about your experimentation with it. It's because somebody

0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:02.880
<v Speaker 1>gave you the opportunity to try it now, to give

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 1>you another idea better Just how addictive and just how

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.920
<v Speaker 1>weird people get when their teenagers and their phones. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the stories in the Daily Telegraph, the herold Son,

0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:14.879
<v Speaker 1>the Cooria Mail and the Adelaide Advertiser, as well as

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the Hobart Mercury talks here about the problems when you

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<v Speaker 1>take a phone off a kid. They start screaming, they

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<v Speaker 1>start shouting, and some of them even get violent. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to read a bit here so hopefully your comfy

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<v Speaker 1>that some teens are so addicted to social media and

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<v Speaker 1>online gaming platforms that they're pulling out knives on their

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<v Speaker 1>appearance when the Wi Fi gets turned off a psychologist

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 1>who helps treat technical addiction, can you believe it? Technical

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<v Speaker 1>addiction said some extreme cases of children with smashing doors, shouting,

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:50.639
<v Speaker 1>and showing dysregulation behavior, which means they go nuts, and

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.159
<v Speaker 1>the troubling behavior is starting even younger. This year, Triple

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<v Speaker 1>P Parenting surveys finding that parents admit that one in

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<v Speaker 1>three toddlers age two and nine are hooked on screen

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<v Speaker 1>based play. Now have I been guilty of putting a

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<v Speaker 1>screen in front of the kids?

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<v Speaker 7>You bet?

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<v Speaker 1>But this stuff really is a kick in the backside

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<v Speaker 1>to all of us who have the capacity to keep

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<v Speaker 1>a device out of a kid's hand that they can't buy.

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<v Speaker 1>You watch the behavior of people when they're out. The

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<v Speaker 1>first thing they do when a young child is restless

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>in a restaurant, in a cafe, they hand them a phone.

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>That addiction then continues as they get older, often impacting

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<v Speaker 1>on their schooling and their mood control, with parents forced

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<v Speaker 1>to seek professional help. How many times do we sit

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<v Speaker 1>here and say the kids aren't all right? And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different things that make our kids not

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<v Speaker 1>all right. There's garbage being poured into their ears at school,

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>and the pressure about the world's going to end, and

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 1>everything's racist and the country you shouldn't be proud of.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing you and I can control as parents,

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 1>you and I can control as grandparents or guardians is

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.919
<v Speaker 1>don't give them a smartphone until they are ready to

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<v Speaker 1>use it. And they're not ready at primary school. And

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<v Speaker 1>good on the nusobas government for moving towards a place

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<v Speaker 1>where not until you're deep into high school will you

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<v Speaker 1>be able to access social media, which I repeat is

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<v Speaker 1>like a casino. You wouldn't let your kid drink, You

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't let your kid smoke, You wouldn't let your kid gamble.

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Why would you let your kid muck around on social media? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of quick things here are including in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Now. I always love, I always love when

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the media can't help but show what side they're on.

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 1>And one of the current navitate narratives that's running around

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<v Speaker 1>that all Republicans must be asked is do they agree

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<v Speaker 1>with Donald Trump that no matter what happens, there are

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<v Speaker 1>questions that may well result. And then not believing the

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>results of the twenty twenty four election, Remember Trump said this.

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<v Speaker 9>Donald Trump is making it clear he is only ready

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<v Speaker 9>to accept the results of the election if he likes them,

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<v Speaker 9>telling the Milwaukee Journal quote, if everything's honest, I'll gladly

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<v Speaker 9>accept the results. I don't change on that. If it's not,

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<v Speaker 9>you have to fight for the right of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, again, one of the people that was asked one

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>of these questions over and over again, because that's the

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>only question you can ask a Republican was Marco Rubia,

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<v Speaker 1>running for re election in the Senate in Florida. Well,

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>he decided to turn the tables back on to the

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>reporter who's clearly asking the campaigning points of the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>and I say, well done, little Marco.

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<v Speaker 10>Will you accept the election results of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 10>no matter what happened, Senator.

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<v Speaker 11>No matter what happens. No, if it's an unfair election,

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 11>I think it's going to be wide. Senator, I think

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 11>you're asking the wrong person. The Democrats are the ones

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<v Speaker 11>that have opposed every Republican victory since two thousand, every

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<v Speaker 11>single one.

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<v Speaker 12>It's Hillary Democrat has refused to concede.

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<v Speaker 1>Hillary Clinton conceded, Senator, will you accept the election?

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<v Speaker 11>Hillary Clinton said the election was stolen from her and

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<v Speaker 11>that Trump was a legitimate Comla Harris agree.

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<v Speaker 3>We have Democrats election.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator, she conceded the election.

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<v Speaker 11>She said that no, she said that Trump was illegitimate.

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 11>She said that the elect had been stolen. Kamala Harris agreed.

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<v Speaker 11>By the way, there are Democrats serving in Congress today

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<v Speaker 11>who in two thousand and four voted not to certify

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:11.479
<v Speaker 11>the Ohio electors because they said those machines have been

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 11>tampered with. And you have Democrats now saying they won't

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 11>certify twenty twenty four because Trump is an insurrection. It's

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 11>been ineligible to hold office. So you need to ask them.

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 11>I think you've had you ever asked.

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<v Speaker 3>The democratic question on the show.

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<v Speaker 11>I bet you you've never asked the Democrat that question.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, said, we're running out of time, which is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what she went on. Decide. Well done to Senator Rubia. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>remember last week when Donald Trump, for some reason, was

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about Hannibal Lecta, the serial killer from the Silence

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>of the Lambs movies. Silence of the Lamb.

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<v Speaker 10>Has anyone ever seen the Silence of the lymps?

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<v Speaker 1>The late great Hannibal elector.

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<v Speaker 10>He's a wonderful man. He oftentimes would have a friend

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<v Speaker 10>for dinner. Remember the last scene excuse me. I'm about

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 10>to have a friend for dinner. Is this poor doctor,

0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:01.239
<v Speaker 10>I'm about to have a friend for dinner. But Hannibal Elector, congratulations,

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 10>the late great Hannibal Elector. We have people that are

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 10>being released into our country that we don't want in

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 10>our country.

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>None of them are Hannible Elector. But as Trump is

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>about to go back into court, Michael Cohen again under

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.479
<v Speaker 1>cross examination, and the expectation is as soon as this week,

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the jury will start meeting to decide whether he is

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>guilty or not guilty on the evidence there is no crime.

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 1>But of course it's a New York jury where what

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 1>ninety percent all voted Democrat, So we'll all see what happens.

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:31.479
<v Speaker 1>But somebody decided to have a joke with this, and

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>it was Saturday Night Live, who was accidentally actually funny

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 1>merging together the vice presidential pick and the Hannibal Lector

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>of it all. But also, I like this bloke doing

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good Trump impersonation outside of court.

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<v Speaker 12>I beg you for coming to visit me in my

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 12>cage at the zoo. I'm really enjoying these post court

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 12>press converances in this very weird and depressing all way.

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.080
<v Speaker 12>I don't like being in court because they say how

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<v Speaker 12>read mean things about me while I am trying to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it very clever, all right. And that's for

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden. He didn't have an amazing weekend. He went

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 1>to a historically black college and Gaza followed him there.

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<v Speaker 7>I look down and see the rose around my wrist.

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<v Speaker 10>An education makes you free, and more house education makes

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 10>you fearless.

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>On Sunday he rose again. But but if young people

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 1>don't vote for him, he doesn't stay president. Quick breakback

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<v Speaker 1>with more lots to talk about here on Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 1>A great debate, Sam Crosby, Matt Canavan, ding ding, we're

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<v Speaker 1>just getting started. Thanks very much for watching us this

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<v Speaker 1>Monday night here on Paul Murray Life. Senator Matt Canavan,

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Future Senator Sam Crosby. That's the way it should be.

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<v Speaker 1>They're joining us now here for a ding dong about

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.719
<v Speaker 1>everything around today. So I'm going to start with you. Sam,

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<v Speaker 1>help me out about what the talking point is here

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<v Speaker 1>about Peter Dutton and immigration cutbacks. Okay, so when the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government promises to have its own immigration number, fine

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>for the economy. When Peter Dutton promises to go a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit further, that'll destroy the economy word, but.

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<v Speaker 3>He's already banked the healf and then this is further

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<v Speaker 3>on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, that's not the point. That's Charmer's talking point.

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<v Speaker 13>And I got to give four points to Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 13>for knocking the government off message. You know, within I

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<v Speaker 13>don't know, forty eight hours or seventy two hours with

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<v Speaker 13>their budget. You know, it's not easy in opposition to

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 13>do that.

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<v Speaker 1>The budget didn't last a week. Quite genuinely, that was impressive.

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<v Speaker 13>I have to say, though, I think it's an overly

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<v Speaker 13>simplistic message that I think will resonate immediately with people,

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<v Speaker 13>and people say, yeah, that is a good point, and

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 13>then they'll think about it a little bit more and

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<v Speaker 13>the realizational kicking. I mean, for God's sex, if it

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<v Speaker 13>was seriously this simple to solve housing problems, to solve congestion,

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<v Speaker 13>solve everything else, you don't think label do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reason they don't is because of the Ponzi scheme.

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<v Speaker 1>It is more population equals more taxpayers equals oh, we're

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<v Speaker 1>in surplus. No, I mean I mean the skills. I

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>mean Dune's not saying no to immigration don't saying no,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're going to bring it down a course. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're still going on a hundred thousand skilled workers.

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<v Speaker 13>But you still need more, right, we still have thousands

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 13>upon thousands of unmet need in the thing. But what

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<v Speaker 13>about family resolutions. So in the last government, the family

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<v Speaker 13>reunification wait time was about thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thirty dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, I had the I think family reunion people

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<v Speaker 1>take the piss.

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<v Speaker 13>No, no, no, sorry, sorry sorry. I had a guy

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<v Speaker 13>that I used to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you've got skills and then would bring everyone else.

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<v Speaker 13>I had a guy who used to work with Vinnis.

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<v Speaker 13>His mum was in France. He immigrated here twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 13>He's an only child who wanted to bring her over.

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<v Speaker 13>Couldn't just flat out couldn't. He was like, very well

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<v Speaker 13>paid in a former career, had all the money in

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<v Speaker 13>the world to support his He wasn't asking for anything

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<v Speaker 13>that couldn't thirty year wait list. I mean, come on,

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<v Speaker 13>it's just not right to not be able to bring

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<v Speaker 13>your mum over or your dad over.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Medicare and then aged care on top of

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:03.919
<v Speaker 1>all of that.

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<v Speaker 13>That's why I have my issue, So increase the amount

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 13>that you need to be able to support them. I

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<v Speaker 13>mean there are ways around you that we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Still have financially no drain whatsoever. Then we can start

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<v Speaker 1>a check.

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<v Speaker 13>Sure, But that's not what Peter Dutton's saying. Peter Dutton

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 13>saying twenty five percent cut book one in four book

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 13>you're done and you know, but hold on. But he's

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<v Speaker 13>also not saying where the number is going to come from,

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 13>is he. He hasn't said, oh, family unification that's gone, skilled,

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<v Speaker 13>skilled migrant that's gone.

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<v Speaker 6>Fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair, fill the details out for.

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<v Speaker 13>Me a little bit and then we can have more

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<v Speaker 13>of a conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>But Senator I thought he did put some conversation, but

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<v Speaker 1>you get into it, Senator, fill the gap that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 14>He has said he will reduce or we would reduce

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<v Speaker 14>the refugee intake back to its long term average of

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<v Speaker 14>just over thirteen thousand a year. The rest will be

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<v Speaker 14>a cut to the broader permanent migration rate. I mean

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<v Speaker 14>a key difference now between the government and the opposition

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<v Speaker 14>is the government's just saying, well, will reduce to fly

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<v Speaker 14>into the country, then that overseas migration.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, do that as well, but.

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<v Speaker 14>What we'd also do is reduce the number of people

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<v Speaker 14>transitioning from a visa through to permanent migration.

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<v Speaker 3>That means some people will go home and so will.

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<v Speaker 14>That will add easier, That will add additional ease to

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 14>the housing market here. Now, the simple fact is both

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:19.479
<v Speaker 14>parties now agree that migration needs to come back. Although

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:21.280
<v Speaker 14>Jim Chalmers seems to be off on his own planet

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 14>that this is a terrible thing, but the Prime Minister

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 14>in the opposition leader think that the key now for

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 14>the Australian people leading up to the election is who

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 14>do you trust to do that. The Labor Party over

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<v Speaker 14>the past two years have botched the reopening of of Australia's.

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Border post COVID. We had to open our border.

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 14>We had taken no one in for over two years,

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 14>but they let the floodgates open and completely lost control

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 14>of our border. Now, once the horse has bolted, they're saying, look,

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 14>trust us, trust us will close it now. Well, I

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 14>don't think that the Australian people are going to put

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<v Speaker 14>a lot of trust and faith in the very mob

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 14>who have lost control of the border to start with.

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<v Speaker 14>So we definitely need to do this now and it's

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<v Speaker 14>just a matter of teo. Do you trust Peter Dutton,

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<v Speaker 14>who was a very strong migration minister, understands the system.

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 14>I think it's time he gets put in charge of

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 14>our border. So we fixed this up and alleviate some

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 14>of the stresses that are occurring in our housing markets

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 14>and on infrastructure and our major cities across Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah again, could we just play the Jim Jalmers grab again?

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So when his government's pulling back, it's not the end

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>of the world. When the liberal putting plans to go

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:23.760
<v Speaker 1>a little bit further, it's the end of times.

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<v Speaker 5>A look, do you think about the relationship between migration

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 5>and housing. For example, of the less than five thousand

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:36.720
<v Speaker 5>homes purchased by foreigners and the most recent data, around

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 5>thirteen hundred of them were established homes. And so this

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<v Speaker 5>will make nowhere near the difference that he is claiming

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 5>that it will, and that's because he hasn't thought it through.

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<v Speaker 5>His budget reply was dark, it was divisive intentionally so,

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<v Speaker 5>and the net effect of all of that would be

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<v Speaker 5>that he would destroy the budget and damage the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you're doing please, I actually think that one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons why you've not heard labor responding to

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<v Speaker 1>the other shooter drop when it comes to the housing market,

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 1>which was to ban foreign buyers, is they don't know

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 1>how to respond to it. Right, six point six b

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>four billion dollars worth of foreign investment was made into

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian property market, not the commercial market. That's the

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>residential market, all right. You know, if there's a house

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>worth a million bucks, you can imagine how many houses here? Right,

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 1>that was just in one year alone. I think that,

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.359
<v Speaker 1>to me is the one that's actually going to move

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 1>potential voting needles and the conversations of people nodding their

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>heads around a barbecue. But Sam, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 13>Look, I think it's actually an idea that's worth exploring.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't think governments should be so resistant to reject

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.839
<v Speaker 13>all ideas from the opposition simply because it comes from

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 13>you opposition. I mean, look, frankly, I think the easier

0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 13>places st out on that countries that don't allow Australians

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 13>to buy reciprocal rights. Reciprocal right, so you know, if

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 13>you can buy property in America, then sure Americans can, but.

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 1>We can't in China.

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<v Speaker 13>If there's other countries, then well, no, you shouldn't be

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 13>able to buy it here. If our citizens can't go

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 13>to your country and buy on there, I think it's

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 13>an idea worth exploring.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator, Again, you pick a poll. It all comes down

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<v Speaker 1>the same way that about forty percent of people think

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<v Speaker 1>that the budget is going to push up inflation. We

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 1>all hope that they're wrong, but it's certainly a significant

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 1>number of people who think that's the case. We'll see

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 1>how many of them are in the room of the

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Reserve Bank in the next couple of weeks. But again,

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:31.359
<v Speaker 1>this budget, all the noise, all the carry on, all

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:34.320
<v Speaker 1>the tax calculators, all the rest of it, the reality

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I think the dawns on people here that average tax

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<v Speaker 1>cut thirty six dollars a week, average power will build

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>credit twenty five dollars a month. Prime Minister, not one

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 1>but two new private jets.

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<v Speaker 14>Look, I think people understand this is a pretty cynical budget.

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 14>It's an attempt to try and buy people's votes, and

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 14>pretty obvious.

0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 3>That that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, do you remember a few years ago the

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 14>gall government had that cash for You program. I think

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<v Speaker 14>it was about two or three hundred bucks and they

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<v Speaker 14>launched it, We're going to give you cash, and it

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 14>was a hashtag cash for you, and that went down

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 14>like a lead balloon because I mean, people, I think

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 14>get the fact that what the Labor Party has done

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<v Speaker 14>here is they've failed to deliver on a promise of

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:19.000
<v Speaker 14>cheap electricity. So they've taken your taxes. But you pay them,

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 14>you work for, you pay the government and then turn around.

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 3>Giving you a little bit of that back.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm sure most reviewers paid more than three of dollars

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 14>a year in taxes. They give you a little bit

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 14>of it back and want thanks for it. I mean,

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 14>that's the approach here, and I don't think people are

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 14>that stupid, and that's why you're saying the pole results

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<v Speaker 14>like you are here today. I think most people see

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 14>through this sort of stuff, the cynical exercises that politicians

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 14>go through, and hopefully they do because what our country

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 14>needs is some leadership. We are living in pretty tough

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 14>and interesting times and we need some tough leaders willing

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 14>to make tough decisions here and not simply tell this

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 14>ranged people fairy tales that somehow green hydrogen is going

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.320
<v Speaker 14>to come along and save the day, that somehow handing

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 14>out just checks full of money is the way to

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.320
<v Speaker 14>pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and make ourselves more wealthy.

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 14>We've got to do hard things to become more productive,

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:11.800
<v Speaker 14>to become more wealthy and become more prosperous as a society.

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.319
<v Speaker 14>And unfortunately the Labor government this week show and they

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 14>can't do that and won't do that, so they don't,

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 14>I think, have the right medicine for this country.

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to the radio today and I heard

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the many mini ads that forty million dollars

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 1>worth of taxpayer funded advertising is going to be to

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 1>talk about the tax cuts. Apparently they made in Australia

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff similar amounts. So the best part of what eighty

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 1>million bucks is going to be spent driving home two

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<v Speaker 1>big messages for the government. When you were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>again how people will respond to things like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even deeper cuts on immigration, do you think that labor

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<v Speaker 1>has got a winning hand when they say every household

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:50.920
<v Speaker 1>for power and every worker on tax cut, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I'll argue on the is it enough?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, you know, I don't know is the answer.

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 13>I kind of like that there is something unifying about

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 13>it in the same way that you can make the

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 13>same case that people earning a million dollars a year

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 13>shouldn't get access to me. But there is something beautiful

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 13>and Egaliteerian about it, and says no, no, no, Everyone in

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 13>Australia is entitled to a basic standard of healthcare. Everyone

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 13>in Australia does get some sort of bill relief. You know,

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 13>is there a more elegant way of doing it? Possibly,

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 13>and probably, but this is the model that they've gone for.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm personally not going to complain when my power bill

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 13>comes down by three hundred dollars. And look, was you know,

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<v Speaker 13>to Matt's point that this is all somehow result of

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 13>the buying exercise. Yeah, maybe they shouldn't have made that

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 13>promise two three years ago, but they did, and they

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 13>were elected on that base. It wasn't a tense, tiny

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 13>little one and people like you, Paul, had been on

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 13>this show every single week. Bring it down, bring it down,

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 13>bring you know, who's the promise to daddy?

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Who's the daddy is the promise?

0:42:56.280 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 14>The promise wasn't to deliver this cheaper power bills by

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 14>using tax payer dollars. I mean, we're borrowing this money.

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 14>It's three and a half billion dollars in title. We've

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:05.880
<v Speaker 14>got to borrow it.

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 3>From someone's to pay it back.

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 14>So we are mortgaging our kids' futures, our grand children's future,

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 14>to give ourselves a power bill cut, when what we

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.919
<v Speaker 14>were promised was that the government's investment investments in green

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.799
<v Speaker 14>energy would deliver this without having to do that, without

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:23.320
<v Speaker 14>having a mortgage our children's future.

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 3>So what are we going to do here?

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 14>We're going to keep giving ourselves three hundred dollars off

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 14>each year now forever because the promise was throw dollars off,

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:30.799
<v Speaker 14>and there'll be three hundred dollars off forever, right because

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 14>they'd be lower power bills forever. Are they going to

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:34.640
<v Speaker 14>do another three and lre billion dollars next year? Another

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 14>three and alfre billion dollars after that?

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Soon?

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Enough, you're talking about real money. This is not the

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 3>way to.

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<v Speaker 14>Make our economy work better. Clearly the government government's energy

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 14>pulse has failed, and this week's handout of three hundred

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 14>dollars is an admission of failure from the Labor government.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, quick break, pleenty want to talk about, including

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:54.839
<v Speaker 1>how the ABC accidentally burst the camera bubble we want

0:43:54.840 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 1>to seek youre on pull Murray line. Every now and

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:06.280
<v Speaker 1>then it is good. The people who talk about politics

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.799
<v Speaker 1>all day, every day, myself included, are reminded of how

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the actual world talks about politics. Sam Crosby is here

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 1>with Matt canavancent in Matt Canavan and it was a

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 1>polled on for the ABC where it says, can you

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>name something from the federal budget? Sixty percent of people

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:23.720
<v Speaker 1>said tax cuts, thirty percent of people said the energy stuff,

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 1>but forty eight percent of people said no. Senator again,

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>it is a little reminder. And while I love what

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 1>we do in this coment, we can name and count

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.359
<v Speaker 1>the grains of sand on the beach, but every now

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 1>and then we get a little reminder in the real world. Well, budget, okay,

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 1>you know radio and ultimately they're the people who decide governments,

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:45.760
<v Speaker 1>don't it.

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<v Speaker 14>They are, and they're probably smarter than you and I, perhaps, Paul,

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:52.440
<v Speaker 14>I have no A lot of.

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<v Speaker 3>The budgets full of spin.

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 14>I tell you what it's I don't think it's all

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 14>that important to watch the budget because it is just

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 14>it is layers upon layers of spin. You've really got

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 14>to read all one hundred pages or for a few

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:07.280
<v Speaker 14>hundred pages of papers to really understand it, and obviously

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 14>people don't that time. So look, I don't begrudge people

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 14>being disengaged here.

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:15.280
<v Speaker 3>I think people do get a general idea.

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:17.479
<v Speaker 14>I saw once that people only spend about five minutes

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 14>a year thinking about politics, the average person.

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 3>So it changes to the challenge that we've all got.

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<v Speaker 14>But I do think, as I said before, that's why

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:26.799
<v Speaker 14>people come back to the fact that this is a

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:29.840
<v Speaker 14>tough time, tough time for families, tough time for Australia

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 14>in the world, and in those times, they tend to

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 14>reward governments that do show leadership. I think we saw

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:37.920
<v Speaker 14>that in COVID and we're seeing that again. So I

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 14>think the government's missing the mark here a little bit.

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 14>In times of plenty, you can sort of get away

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 14>with sometimes these types of handouts.

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 3>People are just happy to have something. They're not too

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 3>worried about the world.

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:50.279
<v Speaker 14>Right now, I think it's a different environment and maybe

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:52.760
<v Speaker 14>the Treasurer and the Prime Minister should be taking tougher decisions.

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean saying you're seeing this in the

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 1>United States right where all the thinking people on television

0:45:57.680 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 1>or saying, well, the latest data on the economy is

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 1>this is then you go and talk to people, they go, sorry, no,

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't pay this, I can't pay that this pole.

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 1>A little reminder again about all that detailed coverage and

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:12.440
<v Speaker 1>tax calculator that normal people are like, Okay, well.

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.319
<v Speaker 13>The US is a different kettle of fish because over

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.959
<v Speaker 13>there it's about turnout. So you've got to motivate your bait.

0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 1>You've got it right.

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<v Speaker 13>It's all about the turnouts. That's seventy percent of what

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<v Speaker 13>you map out who you likely voters are, and then

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<v Speaker 13>you figure out how do we get those people to

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<v Speaker 13>the poles over here. I mean, Matt's overly cynical, but

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<v Speaker 13>I think he's onto something there. At the end of

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<v Speaker 13>the day, the success of this budget will not be

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<v Speaker 13>about whether or not people can name key agender items

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<v Speaker 13>or key get it change my life exactly if when

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<v Speaker 13>they go to the poles in six months twelve months time,

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<v Speaker 13>do they think, no, I'm a little bit better off

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<v Speaker 13>than I was three years ago. And all of those

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<v Speaker 13>questions will come into it, from power prices to home

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<v Speaker 13>prices to congestion, It'll all come in there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I constantly talk about too little, too late.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll all see what happens. All right, I've got about

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<v Speaker 1>a minute here. Trump's back in court, but no one

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<v Speaker 1>will be done by the end of the day. There

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<v Speaker 1>might be another witness, but we could be at closing

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<v Speaker 1>arguments by Thursday, which means off to the jury by Friday. Sam,

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<v Speaker 1>Are they going to find him guilty?

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<v Speaker 13>I think yes, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Matt, do you think they're going to find him guilty?

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless of whether they should or shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 14>It's pretty hard to see a New York jury letting

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<v Speaker 14>him off.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose it won't be the end of it.

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<v Speaker 14>My Trump's trying to drag this out, though it seems

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<v Speaker 14>every day is in court, his polls go up.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe they'll call heaps witnesses and just keep him

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<v Speaker 3>in New York forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you want to talk about a cynical take,

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon one of the reasons why he accepted the

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<v Speaker 1>debate in June with Biden was because if there's guilty

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<v Speaker 1>and we're getting descendancing, He's going to say, don't throw

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<v Speaker 1>me in the slammer. I've got a presidential debate coming

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<v Speaker 1>up in June, so obviously the options are still there

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<v Speaker 1>for fines or suspended jiles sentences or you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>punishment of house arrest in Trump Tower where you're with

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<v Speaker 1>a supermodel in a golden building. Oh please don't let

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<v Speaker 1>me leave. Well, anyway, we'll all find out throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>night tonight more about Michael Cohen. You'll see it all

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<v Speaker 1>again in the morning in first edition. Thank you lads

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<v Speaker 1>to appreciate it. We'll talk again in a moment or

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<v Speaker 1>two time. All right, quick break, plenty to do here

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<v Speaker 1>on Pal Murray Live. I'm about to do the most

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous thing you can do on television, which is wonder

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<v Speaker 1>out loud. But let's give it a go. The Citny

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<v Speaker 1>Wanning Herald is reporting this evening that half half of

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<v Speaker 1>all of the people who go to Sydney University are

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<v Speaker 1>overseas students. Okay, why don't we just do what we

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<v Speaker 1>did in twenty twenty, which is sure you can study

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<v Speaker 1>from anywhere in the world from your place. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>actually have to come and live here. Why don't they

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<v Speaker 1>just do that, do the full fee, paying that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've solved the world's problems. Right for your complaints

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<v Speaker 1>to Malcolm two