Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sharry,
Speaker 1: Happy Monday wherever you happen to be. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us here tonight. Heroes walk amongst us.
Speaker 1: They do it each and every day in our emergency services.
Speaker 1: Can we focus in on what we mentioned at the
Speaker 1: start of last night's show, A hero police officer in Sydney,
Speaker 1: a person who was doing traffic duty when someone came
Speaker 1: up from behind and is alleged to have stabbed them
Speaker 1: twice in the back of the head. I can now
Speaker 1: tell you who the police officer is because, believe it
Speaker 1: or not, he's actually out of hospital tonight. Elvis Power
Speaker 1: is his name. His dad collected him from hospital today,
Speaker 1: smiling face, representing our community and keeping us safe. This
Speaker 1: bloke is unbelievable. Now, the person who is believed has
Speaker 1: been i should say, accused of the stabbing has now
Speaker 1: been formally charged. But I want to give you some
Speaker 1: detail here because this is extraordinary what took place. Now,
Speaker 1: think about this in any line of work, but certainly
Speaker 1: that this was a very targeted effort because one person
Speaker 1: was the police officer. One person wasn't very simple. Right today,
Speaker 1: the police Commissioner gave us a little bit of information
Speaker 1: about exactly what happened while Elvis was working traffic patrol
Speaker 1: in the middle of Sydney on a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2: We will allege at about one ten pm yesterday afternoon,
Speaker 2: whilst officers were conducting duties on the corner of Castlereagh
Speaker 2: in Park Street, that an unprovoked attack occurred where an
Speaker 2: officer was struck from behind from by an offender currently
Speaker 2: charged them before the court. However, we will allege that
Speaker 2: he was in possession of a knife and stabbed the
Speaker 2: officer in the back of the head at least two times,
Speaker 2: causing two skull fractures.
Speaker 1: Extraordinary Now, apart from the fact that this assault is
Speaker 1: alleged to have taken place, what about Elvis, the pride
Speaker 1: of his family and the pride of the police force.
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that he had been stabbed twice in
Speaker 1: the back of the head, he continued to chase the
Speaker 1: bloke with the knife.
Speaker 2: He was chased down by the victim offender and another officer,
Speaker 2: and shortly after other officers arrested the offender on Elizabeth Street.
Speaker 2: As I said, he was charged, beall refused.
Speaker 3: And put before the court.
Speaker 2: He appeared at court this morning and has been bell
Speaker 2: refused until the ninth of July.
Speaker 1: As I understand what a superhuman thing to do that
Speaker 1: he literally was so selfless. Elvis was not thinking about
Speaker 1: himself who had been stabbed. Instead, I'm going to get in.
Speaker 1: That is phenomenal. Now people have spoken to Elvis, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll get the chance to give interviews in the
Speaker 1: next couple of days. But this show is pro cop
Speaker 1: and we're pro cop because of people like Elvis, who
Speaker 1: in a moment goes from taking care of traffic, becoming
Speaker 1: a victim and then chasing down the attacker. What a champion.
Speaker 2: I spoke to both those officers since yesterday, and one
Speaker 2: officer has been in hospital as you can imagine, and
Speaker 2: was under observation, and the other officer is at home.
Speaker 2: They are doing well. I've commended them for their actions,
Speaker 2: their courageous actions yesterday in what, as I said, we
Speaker 2: will allege was an unprovoked attack.
Speaker 1: Constable Elvis Power, you are amazing. He's at a hospital,
Speaker 1: he'll take obviously a few days to recover, and then
Speaker 1: he's back keeping people safe. Thank you for what you do, mate,
Speaker 1: Thank you for your service. Thank you to everyone in
Speaker 1: the police services all around the country. It is the
Speaker 1: toughest job and you are the heroes amongst us. Well done. Meantime,
Speaker 1: huge news today is that police specifically in New South
Speaker 1: Wales decided to swoop on not dozens, but hundreds of
Speaker 1: people who are believed to be significant domestic violence offenders
Speaker 1: in and around New South Wales. This was phenomenal to
Speaker 1: see all of this take place today. The message to
Speaker 1: abuses pretty bloody clear.
Speaker 4: Something has to give. These offenders have got to get
Speaker 4: the message that abuse of females is not acceptable, domestic
Speaker 4: violence is not acceptable and we will not stop in
Speaker 4: our operation now.
Speaker 1: Compare this to the weak is proverbial actions of national
Speaker 1: Cabinet when all the politicians that will pat the police
Speaker 1: officers on the back today had an opportunity to get
Speaker 1: together to agree on a piece of legislation that guaranteed
Speaker 1: that anyone with form still before the courts on potential
Speaker 1: domestic violence charges should have their bail refused. No example
Speaker 1: of it. Instead, no, everyone bought the headline of the
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars payment, which by the way doesn't kick
Speaker 1: in until not July this year. July next year, empty
Speaker 1: promises and we all know when it comes to the
Speaker 1: Prime minister. He bullied his way onto the stage at
Speaker 1: a rally of people demanding more action. He made the
Speaker 1: organizer cry. But she, of course has now been pushed
Speaker 1: into hiding because once you cross this Prime Minister he
Speaker 1: wishes you well, as do his supporters in the media
Speaker 1: and on social media. Now, Australia has got too many
Speaker 1: people coming into the country too frequently. This has been
Speaker 1: the case for years, but particularly since the Abanese government
Speaker 1: came to power. We've given you the numbers, we've given
Speaker 1: you the data, and one person notices this and he
Speaker 1: is going to do something about it should he become
Speaker 1: the Prime minister. Peter Dutton. He, of course last week
Speaker 1: and his Budget and reply speech said there is going
Speaker 1: to be a significant reduction in immigration. Why because there's
Speaker 1: an awful lot of problems that come with more people
Speaker 1: being added to the keys of housing and hospitals and
Speaker 1: schools and all the rest of it. There will still
Speaker 1: be more than one hundred thousand people have got skills
Speaker 1: to come into the country, but we're going to tap
Speaker 1: the breaks now. Of course, this is sent the Left
Speaker 1: is absolutely nuts we begin with the Treasurer, whose entire
Speaker 1: budget plan is based off the Ponzi scheme of tipping
Speaker 1: in hundreds of thousands more new people who pay tax.
Speaker 1: Bugger where they live, Buger the pressures on the streets.
Speaker 1: Bugger the pressures on the society. Here's the Treasurer telling
Speaker 1: us why Peter Dutton's got a bird idea.
Speaker 5: It'll cost the economy billions of dollars. But even the
Speaker 5: kinds of estimates that you will see are conservative because
Speaker 5: it's not possible to fully capture the damage that Peter
Speaker 5: Dutton would do to the skills base of this country,
Speaker 5: to our hospitals, on our building sites, the sorts of
Speaker 5: things that he hasn't thought through.
Speaker 1: Again, not a total stop in immigration. They're just going
Speaker 1: to make it seem like that. Instead he's going to
Speaker 1: be a significant reduction in the number. There's still going
Speaker 1: to be one hundred thousand people coming in each and
Speaker 1: every year for a couple of years. That is the
Speaker 1: numbers required to be the nurses, and to be the sparkys,
Speaker 1: and to be the engineers. And it doesn't take long
Speaker 1: that when it's an idea that's put up by the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party, it's racist According to the Greens, don't get
Speaker 1: sucked in by the racist trope from Peter Dutton and
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party. Now, where was this the economy's going
Speaker 1: to collapse and it's lots of racism. When the Labor Party,
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister and his clueless immigration minister, as well
Speaker 1: as clues Clara Now the Home Affairs Minister was announcing
Speaker 1: what was it, Oh, that's right, that they were going
Speaker 1: to have the number of people coming into the country
Speaker 1: now while Peter Dutey's planning to go even further. Where
Speaker 1: was the scream of racism. Where was Jim Chalmers saying,
Speaker 1: don't do it because you'll destroy the economy. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's all rubbish. Instead, it's where normal people are. That
Speaker 1: people understand that when you get up early, sit on
Speaker 1: a motorway, squint because the sun's in your eyes, and
Speaker 1: then do the same thing as you're coming home, that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people here. When you go to
Speaker 1: look for a rental property, there's lines around the block.
Speaker 1: When people are bidding for houses, you are bidding against
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people who were not in the
Speaker 1: country just a couple of years ago. This is not
Speaker 1: an argument against immigration. It's an argument about not adding
Speaker 1: to the problem. For his part, Peter Dutton says the
Speaker 1: advantage of his policy is more people will be able
Speaker 1: to buy a house because fewer people will be competing
Speaker 1: for the house.
Speaker 6: The Prime Minister is making the housing crisis much much worse,
Speaker 6: and Australians need homes now. We believe that by rebalancing
Speaker 6: the migration program and taking decisive action on the housing crisis,
Speaker 6: the Coalition can free up almost forty thousand additional homes
Speaker 6: in the first year and well over one hundred thousand
Speaker 6: homes in the first five years.
Speaker 1: As much as the Greens are going to hate it
Speaker 1: and Nasty Nicky's going to hate it and all of
Speaker 1: the other gallery people that hate this idea or will
Speaker 1: try to turn it into he's stopping He's not stopping immigration,
Speaker 1: he's reducing immigration. Guess where the Australian people are the
Speaker 1: poll that we showed you last night. I'm going to
Speaker 1: drive home again for you here this evening in the
Speaker 1: Resolved Political Monitor, which is the fancy way of saying
Speaker 1: the pole that turns up in the Citny Morning Herald.
Speaker 1: In the Age the Channel Line newspapers, fifty percent of
Speaker 1: Australians currently believe that the amount that are coming in
Speaker 1: this year, which is the next year, is too high.
Speaker 1: The poll before that said that it was too high.
Speaker 1: The poll before that in July last year said that
Speaker 1: it was too high. The poll before that in November
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one said that it was too high. And
Speaker 1: also if that doesn't flow you both that you think
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with that polling organization. What about the
Speaker 1: one that appears in the Turnbull Times, the Essential Research Report,
Speaker 1: which is the polling used in the Guardian. It says
Speaker 1: fifty nine percent of people believe even a cap on
Speaker 1: migration i e. Peter Dutton's idea to help housing now.
Speaker 1: Interestingly as well to note here is that one of
Speaker 1: the other things that Peter Dutton is going to be
Speaker 1: putting in place, which you notice none of the media
Speaker 1: want to talk about because they know how popular it
Speaker 1: will be. Peter Dutton is going to in the first
Speaker 1: couple of years of his Prime ministership whenever that may
Speaker 1: well come about, he will stop foreign investors being able
Speaker 1: to bid for Australian homes and anyone who has gone
Speaker 1: through a scenario of trying to bid for a house
Speaker 1: at auction anytime in the past twenty years, let alone
Speaker 1: the past couple of years. Knows it is you versus
Speaker 1: a lot of mysteries about where the money is coming from,
Speaker 1: and people who have migrated to the country or born
Speaker 1: in the country are not able to buy because of
Speaker 1: the foreign money that is washing around. Now. By the way,
Speaker 1: I actually went back and had to look through the
Speaker 1: Treasury statistics on this, and they try to hide it,
Speaker 1: but I worked that out. Today. Has this six point
Speaker 1: six b four billion dollars worth of real estate residential
Speaker 1: real estate was bought by overseas investors last year. Now
Speaker 1: think about it. If it's million dollar properties, well, how
Speaker 1: many of those can you get for six point six
Speaker 1: billion dollars for a couple of years, Fewer people competing
Speaker 1: with you at an auction, and you're not competing against
Speaker 1: foreign buyers with limitless money that they're trying to hide
Speaker 1: from offshore. It's a brilliant idea. It's an idea that
Speaker 1: will absolutely connect with Australians, which means the press, gallery,
Speaker 1: the media, the labor Party, they'll all have to turn
Speaker 1: around and call it racist because God forbid, you should
Speaker 1: be able to buy a house in Australia, that it
Speaker 1: should be easier for your kids or your grandkids to
Speaker 1: buy a house in Australia. I meantime, it's not even
Speaker 1: a week since the federal budget and no one's talking
Speaker 1: about the federal budget anymore. Now. Remember the whole idea
Speaker 1: was that this is a big scene ce change in
Speaker 1: political fortunes. It wasn't even a week since we showed
Speaker 1: you the awkwardness of this last week and the lead
Speaker 1: up to the budget. Out of sympathy for you, I
Speaker 1: will not replay the audio, but it was funny. Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, the budget was two little too late tax
Speaker 1: cuts and a power bill credit that you won't notice.
Speaker 1: But one thing that was also in the budget that
Speaker 1: nobody noticed until this weekend was that the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: is getting a brand new private jet. Yay, hey bus
Speaker 1: Alba gets to keep flying around in an even bigger
Speaker 1: and more comfortable plane. There's one for a minister and
Speaker 1: there's ones for the Governor General as well. But you
Speaker 1: should be happy with your thirty six dollars a week
Speaker 1: and your twenty five dollars a month power bill. Four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars being spent on private jets
Speaker 1: for the kids who don't care. So Erebus Albow currently
Speaker 1: calls the Prime ministerial jet Toto one. What will he
Speaker 1: call the new one? Toto to Toto one point five?
Speaker 1: What will it be? As he swans from country to
Speaker 1: country pretending he can't possibly answer questions about divestic policy
Speaker 1: while he's overseas. See how it works. All the money
Speaker 1: for them, all the gold stars for them. You get
Speaker 1: screwed over in the budget and they get private jets.
Speaker 1: No wonder the reviews of the budget weren't great. We
Speaker 1: told you that on the night of the budget, the
Speaker 1: day after the budget, and now less than a week
Speaker 1: after the budget, the polling is confirming exactly what we
Speaker 1: knew about the rubbish that was being peddled by the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister and the treasure role. We're fixing cost of living,
Speaker 1: We're here to care. They're buying private jets for themselves now,
Speaker 1: according to this thirty nine percent of voters. So the
Speaker 1: budget will make inflation worse. If that's the case, interest
Speaker 1: rates go up. If interest rates go up, well hell
Speaker 1: to pay for lots of people now. Amazingly, the same
Speaker 1: number of thirty nine percent was exactly the amount that
Speaker 1: was shown in Newspoll as well, so two separate polling
Speaker 1: companies about the same forty percent of people saying they
Speaker 1: expect interest rates to go up as a result of
Speaker 1: the idiocy of the Prime Minister buying private jests for
Speaker 1: himself and a treasurer pretending that if they cut migration
Speaker 1: it's good, but if the Opposition cuts migration, no, it's
Speaker 1: going to destroy the budge. However, there is Newspole, and
Speaker 1: I've got to point out here that in Newspole things
Speaker 1: got ever so slightly better for the government. It was
Speaker 1: fifty one forty nine, it is now fifty two to
Speaker 1: forty eight, meaning that they would be able to form
Speaker 1: a minority government or get close to forming a government
Speaker 1: in their own majority. But that's only one pole. In fact,
Speaker 1: in the Financial Review pole it says that the Liberal
Speaker 1: Party vote is at forty percent. If that's the case,
Speaker 1: it's very competitive. Labour is at just thirty two percent,
Speaker 1: which means they're two party preferred. You can see the
Speaker 1: bottomleft end corner is fifty to fifty and if you think, well,
Speaker 1: no known newspoles, that's the only one you've got to follow.
Speaker 1: Have a look at this graph. Each little dot is
Speaker 1: the two party preferred number that's gone since March of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three through to April. Now the direction for
Speaker 1: the government is from the top left hand corner to
Speaker 1: under fifty percent. Cos Samaras, who is a Polster but
Speaker 1: used to work for the Labor Party, says this Labour's
Speaker 1: primary vote shows more fluctuation because a portion of their
Speaker 1: support base is undecided, wavering between voting for Labor or
Speaker 1: a minor party or an independent. This variability could shift
Speaker 1: from month to month. His suggestion is it's not going
Speaker 1: to Liberals instead, it's going into anything but which could
Speaker 1: lead into minority government. Some media coverage today fails to
Speaker 1: grasp this trend. If the economic situation deteriorates for these
Speaker 1: type of voters, this trend could significantly worsen. Geez, it's
Speaker 1: almost like we've been saying that all the time. And
Speaker 1: why because seventy seven percent of Australians are currently living
Speaker 1: under a cost of living pressure. That's a finder dot
Speaker 1: com dot au. Most people don't think the economy gets better,
Speaker 1: and if it does, it's ever so slightly. And remember,
Speaker 1: even if the Zerbank does eventually cut interest rates, their
Speaker 1: prediction for twenty twenty six is that you will still
Speaker 1: be paying seventy five percent of the increases in your
Speaker 1: interest rates since Albo became Prime Minister and Jim Charmers
Speaker 1: became Treasurer. Now another little issue here that we've got
Speaker 1: to point out here, which is the Prime Minister heavily
Speaker 1: distracted last year, spent four hundred and fifty million dollars
Speaker 1: on a referendum that Australians went from hell yes to
Speaker 1: hell no. Every day he campaigned it got worse. The
Speaker 1: expectation was in term one the voice to Parliament that
Speaker 1: would make him a historic figure. In term two Australia
Speaker 1: would become a republic and then he would be a
Speaker 1: labor hero forever. Now, of course the way that he
Speaker 1: signaled that that was the case was because he made
Speaker 1: a blow called Matt Thistlethwaite the Minister for the Republic
Speaker 1: eight hours a day, five days a week on what
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if it came with
Speaker 1: any staff for or it was just a title so
Speaker 1: he can debate on Radio National. Peter van Onslan in
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail says, when there is a reshuffle of
Speaker 1: this government and inevitably people like Andrew Giles get the
Speaker 1: hevo from Immigration perhaps clueless Claire or if we can
Speaker 1: hope lots of other people go guess what job's going
Speaker 1: to disappear? The Minister for the Republic because even Anthony
Speaker 1: albneez he knows after spending four hundred and fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars on he yes, no question that he lost. Australians
Speaker 1: have no interest in doing that anytime in the future.
Speaker 1: And a Republic refereendum well in cost even more, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1: So alas his beachhead of becoming a labor hero will disappear,
Speaker 1: and not before time. Now you know I can't stand
Speaker 1: the Queensland government, It's Premier Stephen Miles in particular. Why
Speaker 1: because they've driven the joint into the ground. Now, I
Speaker 1: love Queensland and if I could have the blood transfusions
Speaker 1: to become a Queenslander, I would, but take your pick
Speaker 1: from youth crime to or whole bunch of other issues.
Speaker 1: This bloke is cooked, and this bloke is cooked at
Speaker 1: the upcoming election. And one of the biggest reasons why
Speaker 1: is because of what the Labour Party has done to
Speaker 1: the hospitals and the ambulance services in Queensland Labour have
Speaker 1: been power with the exception of three years, for the
Speaker 1: best part of thirty years in Queensland. Queensland has an
Speaker 1: opportunity in a few months to get a new broom
Speaker 1: and actually fix their problems, and they're going to have
Speaker 1: to do something because despite the fact that they changed
Speaker 1: the minister and they change the spin and they've got
Speaker 1: the social media videos and they've got the new premiere
Speaker 1: ambulance ramping, the amount of time that an ambulance spends
Speaker 1: with a person in the back not being able to
Speaker 1: drop them off at a hospital is now at record
Speaker 1: levels never been worse. In the March quarter, forty forty
Speaker 1: five point five percent of Queensland patients spent more than
Speaker 1: thirty minutes on a ramp being waiting to go into hospital.
Speaker 1: So how's about that forty five percent of people who
Speaker 1: go into an ambulance stay in an ambulance because there's
Speaker 1: no room at the hospital for at least thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: This is unbelievable. They have had billions of dollars and
Speaker 1: decades to do something and the unions on their side,
Speaker 1: but it's never in worse. And while you may think
Speaker 1: I haven't had to call Triple O. It's not my problem,
Speaker 1: it's just for Fred and Mary down the street. Well,
Speaker 1: one day it is you, one day it is your partner,
Speaker 1: your kid, your parents, and you deserve a hospital system
Speaker 1: where the ambulance can drop you off you're taking care
Speaker 1: of in the hospital and more importantly, the ambulance can
Speaker 1: go and pick up somebody else. How many times did
Speaker 1: we teddy at the end of last year about the
Speaker 1: number of people who died because of the hospitals and
Speaker 1: the ambulance ramping in Queensland. Well since then it's got worse.
Speaker 1: Weld under the Courier Male, who have had particular focus
Speaker 1: on the data because Queensland Health and the Labor Party
Speaker 1: do their best to try to hide it. Weld under
Speaker 1: Chris Jones and the team here, who again under the
Speaker 1: banner of queens and Health shows forty five percent of
Speaker 1: patients waiting outside in the editorial today. This set, it figures,
Speaker 1: while understandably damaging for the government, at least gives Queensland
Speaker 1: as a complete picture of the efficiency of our health system,
Speaker 1: or should I say lack thereof. It might even be
Speaker 1: used to inform decisions when requiring hospital care. Regular releases
Speaker 1: of the same data sets sets government to be able to,
Speaker 1: rather than hide from the truth, actually give the public
Speaker 1: information that matters. Yes, occasionally it'll be damaging for a
Speaker 1: governor or minister, but bugger it, so be it. Instead,
Speaker 1: what they do is they used to do these things monthly,
Speaker 1: and then they move them quarterly. Then they go back
Speaker 1: to monthly, and then they hide it on a website,
Speaker 1: and then they do a press release and then they
Speaker 1: only put it in the annual report. Everything they can
Speaker 1: to try to hide this information from Queenslanders. But anyone
Speaker 1: in Queensland knows. You call triple zero, it may or
Speaker 1: may not turn up in regional Queensland. As we've told
Speaker 1: you the stories people who have called triple Oh, the
Speaker 1: paramedic turns up. And if you need to go into
Speaker 1: the back of the ambulance and the paramedic needs to
Speaker 1: take care of you because there's no other paramedic in
Speaker 1: the passenger's seat, a family member might have to drive
Speaker 1: the freaking ambulance. Get rid of this mob. Get rid
Speaker 1: of them so cleanly, because they don't deserve a day
Speaker 1: longer in power, and Queensland deserves way better than the
Speaker 1: rubbish being served up by Miles and the rest of
Speaker 1: his merry men and women who are fools, who are
Speaker 1: great at politics but terrible at public administration. One of
Speaker 1: the conversations d ajure at the moment is in and
Speaker 1: around social media and particularly the effects that it's having
Speaker 1: on our kids. There are also the Daily Telegraph, the
Speaker 1: Adelaide Advertiser and the Quariamal today are getting behind a
Speaker 1: great campaign which is saying let them be kids. It
Speaker 1: is a campaign that is all about making sure that
Speaker 1: we keep kids away from social media until they're really
Speaker 1: quite advanced teenagers, and even then we all know you
Speaker 1: should stay away from this as far as you want now.
Speaker 1: Of course, this should have been dealt with by National
Speaker 1: Cabinet when they were meeting a few weeks ago, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't even agree on bail laws about domestic violence. This,
Speaker 1: of course should be a priority for a federal government
Speaker 1: to get all state governments together, but no state governments
Speaker 1: have to go it alone. On Auscus says that it's
Speaker 1: fourteen year olds. It's the first time he should be
Speaker 1: able to have a social media account. But in New
Speaker 1: South Wells they're going to go one better. And Chris
Speaker 1: Means plays all other labor leaders off a break as
Speaker 1: a bloke who understands it and gets on with it. Now,
Speaker 1: he could do a lot more when it comes to
Speaker 1: bail Law's sure, but on social media, this bloke is
Speaker 1: exactly where it should be. He's going to have a
Speaker 1: summit in the next little while so he can get
Speaker 1: all of the input. But he's wanting to get towards
Speaker 1: a full ban on social media access for anyone under
Speaker 1: the age of sixteen. First the media.
Speaker 7: Summer, We've decided to hold social media summit so he
Speaker 7: can get the experts around the table. We can look
Speaker 7: at legislative change reforms in this space to keep kids safe,
Speaker 7: to arm parents with the information they need to make
Speaker 7: the best decisions for their children.
Speaker 1: And again, if he's floating right now that the plan
Speaker 1: is that kids only over the age of sixteen will
Speaker 1: have access to social media, that is what will end
Speaker 1: up being the outcome.
Speaker 8: I think it is the right age, or at least
Speaker 8: the limit. Maybe a lot of sixteen year olds with
Speaker 8: even that isn't old enough. To be honest with you,
Speaker 8: when you consider what you're exposed to as a result
Speaker 8: of being on social media, I've got to make a
Speaker 8: decision about with it that's enforceable at the state level.
Speaker 8: It'd be better if we could do it at a
Speaker 8: national level.
Speaker 1: Now, I want you to think about social media the
Speaker 1: same way that you think about a casino. No natural light,
Speaker 1: no clocks, and essentially it's a system to release, dopamine
Speaker 1: the thing that sets off in our head little feelings
Speaker 1: of goodness. Now, social media works just like a casino.
Speaker 1: Once you're in the business is about keeping you there. Now,
Speaker 1: there are great documentaries and lots of them all over
Speaker 1: and know any of them you can find, I want
Speaker 1: them to show you, show them to yourself, and then
Speaker 1: have a look to teenage kids or grandkids. It's about
Speaker 1: how frankly evil these companies can be sometimes. And I
Speaker 1: think the reality is that adults have got a problem
Speaker 1: with social media. I certainly know that I've spent many
Speaker 1: too many nights looking at reels. So you know what
Speaker 1: I've done. I delete the app every couple of weeks
Speaker 1: so I'll remember, oh, that's right, Instagram, and I'll go
Speaker 1: and have a look. But I'm not on there all day,
Speaker 1: every day, constantly just searching for distraction. And the truth is,
Speaker 1: when it comes to our kids, when they're eight, nine, ten, eleven,
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen. They don't have a job. So the only
Speaker 1: way they get access to a smartphone is if we
Speaker 1: buy them one. Now, there's technology that exists that means
Speaker 1: you can buy a dumb phone. If you're one of
Speaker 1: those people who believes that after your kid starts catching
Speaker 1: the train or the bus that you should be able
Speaker 1: to call them and they should be able to call you.
Speaker 1: There are phones where you can go into anything from
Speaker 1: Harvey Norman through to the telcos and they will sell
Speaker 1: you a phone that's got the numbers on it and
Speaker 1: that's it. There's even ones with no cameras on it.
Speaker 1: That's what we need to be giving our kids. When
Speaker 1: we turn around and give them the casino in their hand,
Speaker 1: are we ever surprised that they get lost in it?
Speaker 1: Oh but my friend's got one. Yeah, okay, I get it.
Speaker 1: But I certainly know we're having the conversation with our
Speaker 1: kids as they're starting to feel the pressure. And I
Speaker 1: can't believe it. When I've got a kid in you
Speaker 1: three is starting to have the chat about the phone.
Speaker 1: It's not happening because this is a destructive force. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're at home and you want to watch things
Speaker 1: on YouTube with them, and if you want to look
Speaker 1: at other things maybe on the adult phone. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: your business. But giving the kid the device that you
Speaker 1: then two, three, four or five years later say they're
Speaker 1: addicted to, well, just like any other form of addiction,
Speaker 1: from gambling, to drugs to booze, it's not just about
Speaker 1: your exposure to it. It's not just about your it's
Speaker 1: not just about your experimentation with it. It's because somebody
Speaker 1: gave you the opportunity to try it now, to give
Speaker 1: you another idea better Just how addictive and just how
Speaker 1: weird people get when their teenagers and their phones. Again.
Speaker 1: One of the stories in the Daily Telegraph, the herold Son,
Speaker 1: the Cooria Mail and the Adelaide Advertiser, as well as
Speaker 1: the Hobart Mercury talks here about the problems when you
Speaker 1: take a phone off a kid. They start screaming, they
Speaker 1: start shouting, and some of them even get violent. I'm
Speaker 1: going to read a bit here so hopefully your comfy
Speaker 1: that some teens are so addicted to social media and
Speaker 1: online gaming platforms that they're pulling out knives on their
Speaker 1: appearance when the Wi Fi gets turned off a psychologist
Speaker 1: who helps treat technical addiction, can you believe it? Technical
Speaker 1: addiction said some extreme cases of children with smashing doors, shouting,
Speaker 1: and showing dysregulation behavior, which means they go nuts, and
Speaker 1: the troubling behavior is starting even younger. This year, Triple
Speaker 1: P Parenting surveys finding that parents admit that one in
Speaker 1: three toddlers age two and nine are hooked on screen
Speaker 1: based play. Now have I been guilty of putting a
Speaker 1: screen in front of the kids?
Speaker 7: You bet?
Speaker 1: But this stuff really is a kick in the backside
Speaker 1: to all of us who have the capacity to keep
Speaker 1: a device out of a kid's hand that they can't buy.
Speaker 1: You watch the behavior of people when they're out. The
Speaker 1: first thing they do when a young child is restless
Speaker 1: in a restaurant, in a cafe, they hand them a phone.
Speaker 1: That addiction then continues as they get older, often impacting
Speaker 1: on their schooling and their mood control, with parents forced
Speaker 1: to seek professional help. How many times do we sit
Speaker 1: here and say the kids aren't all right? And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of different things that make our kids not
Speaker 1: all right. There's garbage being poured into their ears at school,
Speaker 1: and the pressure about the world's going to end, and
Speaker 1: everything's racist and the country you shouldn't be proud of.
Speaker 1: But one thing you and I can control as parents,
Speaker 1: you and I can control as grandparents or guardians is
Speaker 1: don't give them a smartphone until they are ready to
Speaker 1: use it. And they're not ready at primary school. And
Speaker 1: good on the nusobas government for moving towards a place
Speaker 1: where not until you're deep into high school will you
Speaker 1: be able to access social media, which I repeat is
Speaker 1: like a casino. You wouldn't let your kid drink, You
Speaker 1: wouldn't let your kid smoke, You wouldn't let your kid gamble.
Speaker 1: Why would you let your kid muck around on social media? Now?
Speaker 1: A couple of quick things here are including in the
Speaker 1: United States. Now. I always love, I always love when
Speaker 1: the media can't help but show what side they're on.
Speaker 1: And one of the current navitate narratives that's running around
Speaker 1: that all Republicans must be asked is do they agree
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump that no matter what happens, there are
Speaker 1: questions that may well result. And then not believing the
Speaker 1: results of the twenty twenty four election, Remember Trump said this.
Speaker 9: Donald Trump is making it clear he is only ready
Speaker 9: to accept the results of the election if he likes them,
Speaker 9: telling the Milwaukee Journal quote, if everything's honest, I'll gladly
Speaker 9: accept the results. I don't change on that. If it's not,
Speaker 9: you have to fight for the right of the country.
Speaker 1: Well, again, one of the people that was asked one
Speaker 1: of these questions over and over again, because that's the
Speaker 1: only question you can ask a Republican was Marco Rubia,
Speaker 1: running for re election in the Senate in Florida. Well,
Speaker 1: he decided to turn the tables back on to the
Speaker 1: reporter who's clearly asking the campaigning points of the Democrats,
Speaker 1: and I say, well done, little Marco.
Speaker 10: Will you accept the election results of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 10: no matter what happened, Senator.
Speaker 11: No matter what happens. No, if it's an unfair election,
Speaker 11: I think it's going to be wide. Senator, I think
Speaker 11: you're asking the wrong person. The Democrats are the ones
Speaker 11: that have opposed every Republican victory since two thousand, every
Speaker 11: single one.
Speaker 12: It's Hillary Democrat has refused to concede.
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton conceded, Senator, will you accept the election?
Speaker 11: Hillary Clinton said the election was stolen from her and
Speaker 11: that Trump was a legitimate Comla Harris agree.
Speaker 3: We have Democrats election.
Speaker 1: Senator, she conceded the election.
Speaker 11: She said that no, she said that Trump was illegitimate.
Speaker 11: She said that the elect had been stolen. Kamala Harris agreed.
Speaker 11: By the way, there are Democrats serving in Congress today
Speaker 11: who in two thousand and four voted not to certify
Speaker 11: the Ohio electors because they said those machines have been
Speaker 11: tampered with. And you have Democrats now saying they won't
Speaker 11: certify twenty twenty four because Trump is an insurrection. It's
Speaker 11: been ineligible to hold office. So you need to ask them.
Speaker 11: I think you've had you ever asked.
Speaker 3: The democratic question on the show.
Speaker 11: I bet you you've never asked the Democrat that question.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, said, we're running out of time, which is
Speaker 1: exactly what she went on. Decide. Well done to Senator Rubia. Now,
Speaker 1: remember last week when Donald Trump, for some reason, was
Speaker 1: talking about Hannibal Lecta, the serial killer from the Silence
Speaker 1: of the Lambs movies. Silence of the Lamb.
Speaker 10: Has anyone ever seen the Silence of the lymps?
Speaker 1: The late great Hannibal elector.
Speaker 10: He's a wonderful man. He oftentimes would have a friend
Speaker 10: for dinner. Remember the last scene excuse me. I'm about
Speaker 10: to have a friend for dinner. Is this poor doctor,
Speaker 10: I'm about to have a friend for dinner. But Hannibal Elector, congratulations,
Speaker 10: the late great Hannibal Elector. We have people that are
Speaker 10: being released into our country that we don't want in
Speaker 10: our country.
Speaker 1: None of them are Hannible Elector. But as Trump is
Speaker 1: about to go back into court, Michael Cohen again under
Speaker 1: cross examination, and the expectation is as soon as this week,
Speaker 1: the jury will start meeting to decide whether he is
Speaker 1: guilty or not guilty on the evidence there is no crime.
Speaker 1: But of course it's a New York jury where what
Speaker 1: ninety percent all voted Democrat, So we'll all see what happens.
Speaker 1: But somebody decided to have a joke with this, and
Speaker 1: it was Saturday Night Live, who was accidentally actually funny
Speaker 1: merging together the vice presidential pick and the Hannibal Lector
Speaker 1: of it all. But also, I like this bloke doing
Speaker 1: a pretty good Trump impersonation outside of court.
Speaker 12: I beg you for coming to visit me in my
Speaker 12: cage at the zoo. I'm really enjoying these post court
Speaker 12: press converances in this very weird and depressing all way.
Speaker 12: I don't like being in court because they say how
Speaker 12: read mean things about me while I am trying to sleep.
Speaker 1: I like it very clever, all right. And that's for
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. He didn't have an amazing weekend. He went
Speaker 1: to a historically black college and Gaza followed him there.
Speaker 7: I look down and see the rose around my wrist.
Speaker 10: An education makes you free, and more house education makes
Speaker 10: you fearless.
Speaker 1: On Sunday he rose again. But but if young people
Speaker 1: don't vote for him, he doesn't stay president. Quick breakback
Speaker 1: with more lots to talk about here on Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: A great debate, Sam Crosby, Matt Canavan, ding ding, we're
Speaker 1: just getting started. Thanks very much for watching us this
Speaker 1: Monday night here on Paul Murray Life. Senator Matt Canavan,
Speaker 1: Future Senator Sam Crosby. That's the way it should be.
Speaker 1: They're joining us now here for a ding dong about
Speaker 1: everything around today. So I'm going to start with you. Sam,
Speaker 1: help me out about what the talking point is here
Speaker 1: about Peter Dutton and immigration cutbacks. Okay, so when the
Speaker 1: federal government promises to have its own immigration number, fine
Speaker 1: for the economy. When Peter Dutton promises to go a
Speaker 1: little bit further, that'll destroy the economy word, but.
Speaker 3: He's already banked the healf and then this is further
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 1: Look, that's not the point. That's Charmer's talking point.
Speaker 13: And I got to give four points to Peter Dutton
Speaker 13: for knocking the government off message. You know, within I
Speaker 13: don't know, forty eight hours or seventy two hours with
Speaker 13: their budget. You know, it's not easy in opposition to
Speaker 13: do that.
Speaker 1: The budget didn't last a week. Quite genuinely, that was impressive.
Speaker 13: I have to say, though, I think it's an overly
Speaker 13: simplistic message that I think will resonate immediately with people,
Speaker 13: and people say, yeah, that is a good point, and
Speaker 13: then they'll think about it a little bit more and
Speaker 13: the realizational kicking. I mean, for God's sex, if it
Speaker 13: was seriously this simple to solve housing problems, to solve congestion,
Speaker 13: solve everything else, you don't think label do this.
Speaker 1: But the reason they don't is because of the Ponzi scheme.
Speaker 1: It is more population equals more taxpayers equals oh, we're
Speaker 1: in surplus. No, I mean I mean the skills. I
Speaker 1: mean Dune's not saying no to immigration don't saying no,
Speaker 1: like we're going to bring it down a course. So
Speaker 1: you're still going on a hundred thousand skilled workers.
Speaker 13: But you still need more, right, we still have thousands
Speaker 13: upon thousands of unmet need in the thing. But what
Speaker 13: about family resolutions. So in the last government, the family
Speaker 13: reunification wait time was about thirty years.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest for it.
Speaker 3: Thirty dude.
Speaker 1: Come on, I had the I think family reunion people
Speaker 1: take the piss.
Speaker 13: No, no, no, sorry, sorry sorry. I had a guy
Speaker 13: that I used to work.
Speaker 1: Because you've got skills and then would bring everyone else.
Speaker 13: I had a guy who used to work with Vinnis.
Speaker 13: His mum was in France. He immigrated here twenty years ago.
Speaker 13: He's an only child who wanted to bring her over.
Speaker 13: Couldn't just flat out couldn't. He was like, very well
Speaker 13: paid in a former career, had all the money in
Speaker 13: the world to support his He wasn't asking for anything
Speaker 13: that couldn't thirty year wait list. I mean, come on,
Speaker 13: it's just not right to not be able to bring
Speaker 13: your mum over or your dad over.
Speaker 1: And then Medicare and then aged care on top of
Speaker 1: all of that.
Speaker 13: That's why I have my issue, So increase the amount
Speaker 13: that you need to be able to support them. I
Speaker 13: mean there are ways around you that we can.
Speaker 1: Still have financially no drain whatsoever. Then we can start
Speaker 1: a check.
Speaker 13: Sure, But that's not what Peter Dutton's saying. Peter Dutton
Speaker 13: saying twenty five percent cut book one in four book
Speaker 13: you're done and you know, but hold on. But he's
Speaker 13: also not saying where the number is going to come from,
Speaker 13: is he. He hasn't said, oh, family unification that's gone, skilled,
Speaker 13: skilled migrant that's gone.
Speaker 6: Fair.
Speaker 1: Fair, fill the details out for.
Speaker 13: Me a little bit and then we can have more
Speaker 13: of a conversation.
Speaker 1: But Senator I thought he did put some conversation, but
Speaker 1: you get into it, Senator, fill the gap that I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 14: He has said he will reduce or we would reduce
Speaker 14: the refugee intake back to its long term average of
Speaker 14: just over thirteen thousand a year. The rest will be
Speaker 14: a cut to the broader permanent migration rate. I mean
Speaker 14: a key difference now between the government and the opposition
Speaker 14: is the government's just saying, well, will reduce to fly
Speaker 14: into the country, then that overseas migration.
Speaker 3: Of course, do that as well, but.
Speaker 14: What we'd also do is reduce the number of people
Speaker 14: transitioning from a visa through to permanent migration.
Speaker 3: That means some people will go home and so will.
Speaker 14: That will add easier, That will add additional ease to
Speaker 14: the housing market here. Now, the simple fact is both
Speaker 14: parties now agree that migration needs to come back. Although
Speaker 14: Jim Chalmers seems to be off on his own planet
Speaker 14: that this is a terrible thing, but the Prime Minister
Speaker 14: in the opposition leader think that the key now for
Speaker 14: the Australian people leading up to the election is who
Speaker 14: do you trust to do that. The Labor Party over
Speaker 14: the past two years have botched the reopening of of Australia's.
Speaker 3: Border post COVID. We had to open our border.
Speaker 14: We had taken no one in for over two years,
Speaker 14: but they let the floodgates open and completely lost control
Speaker 14: of our border. Now, once the horse has bolted, they're saying, look,
Speaker 14: trust us, trust us will close it now. Well, I
Speaker 14: don't think that the Australian people are going to put
Speaker 14: a lot of trust and faith in the very mob
Speaker 14: who have lost control of the border to start with.
Speaker 14: So we definitely need to do this now and it's
Speaker 14: just a matter of teo. Do you trust Peter Dutton,
Speaker 14: who was a very strong migration minister, understands the system.
Speaker 14: I think it's time he gets put in charge of
Speaker 14: our border. So we fixed this up and alleviate some
Speaker 14: of the stresses that are occurring in our housing markets
Speaker 14: and on infrastructure and our major cities across Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, could we just play the Jim Jalmers grab again?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So when his government's pulling back, it's not the end
Speaker 1: of the world. When the liberal putting plans to go
Speaker 1: a little bit further, it's the end of times.
Speaker 5: A look, do you think about the relationship between migration
Speaker 5: and housing. For example, of the less than five thousand
Speaker 5: homes purchased by foreigners and the most recent data, around
Speaker 5: thirteen hundred of them were established homes. And so this
Speaker 5: will make nowhere near the difference that he is claiming
Speaker 5: that it will, and that's because he hasn't thought it through.
Speaker 5: His budget reply was dark, it was divisive intentionally so,
Speaker 5: and the net effect of all of that would be
Speaker 5: that he would destroy the budget and damage the economy.
Speaker 1: But when you're doing please, I actually think that one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why you've not heard labor responding to
Speaker 1: the other shooter drop when it comes to the housing market,
Speaker 1: which was to ban foreign buyers, is they don't know
Speaker 1: how to respond to it. Right, six point six b
Speaker 1: four billion dollars worth of foreign investment was made into
Speaker 1: the Australian property market, not the commercial market. That's the
Speaker 1: residential market, all right. You know, if there's a house
Speaker 1: worth a million bucks, you can imagine how many houses here? Right,
Speaker 1: that was just in one year alone. I think that,
Speaker 1: to me is the one that's actually going to move
Speaker 1: potential voting needles and the conversations of people nodding their
Speaker 1: heads around a barbecue. But Sam, what do you think?
Speaker 13: Look, I think it's actually an idea that's worth exploring.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 13: I don't think governments should be so resistant to reject
Speaker 13: all ideas from the opposition simply because it comes from
Speaker 13: you opposition. I mean, look, frankly, I think the easier
Speaker 13: places st out on that countries that don't allow Australians
Speaker 13: to buy reciprocal rights. Reciprocal right, so you know, if
Speaker 13: you can buy property in America, then sure Americans can, but.
Speaker 1: We can't in China.
Speaker 13: If there's other countries, then well, no, you shouldn't be
Speaker 13: able to buy it here. If our citizens can't go
Speaker 13: to your country and buy on there, I think it's
Speaker 13: an idea worth exploring.
Speaker 1: Senator, Again, you pick a poll. It all comes down
Speaker 1: the same way that about forty percent of people think
Speaker 1: that the budget is going to push up inflation. We
Speaker 1: all hope that they're wrong, but it's certainly a significant
Speaker 1: number of people who think that's the case. We'll see
Speaker 1: how many of them are in the room of the
Speaker 1: Reserve Bank in the next couple of weeks. But again,
Speaker 1: this budget, all the noise, all the carry on, all
Speaker 1: the tax calculators, all the rest of it, the reality
Speaker 1: I think the dawns on people here that average tax
Speaker 1: cut thirty six dollars a week, average power will build
Speaker 1: credit twenty five dollars a month. Prime Minister, not one
Speaker 1: but two new private jets.
Speaker 14: Look, I think people understand this is a pretty cynical budget.
Speaker 14: It's an attempt to try and buy people's votes, and
Speaker 14: pretty obvious.
Speaker 3: That that's what it is.
Speaker 14: I mean, do you remember a few years ago the
Speaker 14: gall government had that cash for You program. I think
Speaker 14: it was about two or three hundred bucks and they
Speaker 14: launched it, We're going to give you cash, and it
Speaker 14: was a hashtag cash for you, and that went down
Speaker 14: like a lead balloon because I mean, people, I think
Speaker 14: get the fact that what the Labor Party has done
Speaker 14: here is they've failed to deliver on a promise of
Speaker 14: cheap electricity. So they've taken your taxes. But you pay them,
Speaker 14: you work for, you pay the government and then turn around.
Speaker 3: Giving you a little bit of that back.
Speaker 14: I'm sure most reviewers paid more than three of dollars
Speaker 14: a year in taxes. They give you a little bit
Speaker 14: of it back and want thanks for it. I mean,
Speaker 14: that's the approach here, and I don't think people are
Speaker 14: that stupid, and that's why you're saying the pole results
Speaker 14: like you are here today. I think most people see
Speaker 14: through this sort of stuff, the cynical exercises that politicians
Speaker 14: go through, and hopefully they do because what our country
Speaker 14: needs is some leadership. We are living in pretty tough
Speaker 14: and interesting times and we need some tough leaders willing
Speaker 14: to make tough decisions here and not simply tell this
Speaker 14: ranged people fairy tales that somehow green hydrogen is going
Speaker 14: to come along and save the day, that somehow handing
Speaker 14: out just checks full of money is the way to
Speaker 14: pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and make ourselves more wealthy.
Speaker 14: We've got to do hard things to become more productive,
Speaker 14: to become more wealthy and become more prosperous as a society.
Speaker 14: And unfortunately the Labor government this week show and they
Speaker 14: can't do that and won't do that, so they don't,
Speaker 14: I think, have the right medicine for this country.
Speaker 1: I was listening to the radio today and I heard
Speaker 1: one of the many mini ads that forty million dollars
Speaker 1: worth of taxpayer funded advertising is going to be to
Speaker 1: talk about the tax cuts. Apparently they made in Australia
Speaker 1: stuff similar amounts. So the best part of what eighty
Speaker 1: million bucks is going to be spent driving home two
Speaker 1: big messages for the government. When you were talking about
Speaker 1: again how people will respond to things like, you know,
Speaker 1: even deeper cuts on immigration, do you think that labor
Speaker 1: has got a winning hand when they say every household
Speaker 1: for power and every worker on tax cut, even though
Speaker 1: I'll argue on the is it enough?
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, I don't know is the answer.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 13: I kind of like that there is something unifying about
Speaker 13: it in the same way that you can make the
Speaker 13: same case that people earning a million dollars a year
Speaker 13: shouldn't get access to me. But there is something beautiful
Speaker 13: and Egaliteerian about it, and says no, no, no, Everyone in
Speaker 13: Australia is entitled to a basic standard of healthcare. Everyone
Speaker 13: in Australia does get some sort of bill relief. You know,
Speaker 13: is there a more elegant way of doing it? Possibly,
Speaker 13: and probably, but this is the model that they've gone for.
Speaker 13: I'm personally not going to complain when my power bill
Speaker 13: comes down by three hundred dollars. And look, was you know,
Speaker 13: to Matt's point that this is all somehow result of
Speaker 13: the buying exercise. Yeah, maybe they shouldn't have made that
Speaker 13: promise two three years ago, but they did, and they
Speaker 13: were elected on that base. It wasn't a tense, tiny
Speaker 13: little one and people like you, Paul, had been on
Speaker 13: this show every single week. Bring it down, bring it down,
Speaker 13: bring you know, who's the promise to daddy?
Speaker 1: Who's the daddy is the promise?
Speaker 14: The promise wasn't to deliver this cheaper power bills by
Speaker 14: using tax payer dollars. I mean, we're borrowing this money.
Speaker 14: It's three and a half billion dollars in title. We've
Speaker 14: got to borrow it.
Speaker 3: From someone's to pay it back.
Speaker 14: So we are mortgaging our kids' futures, our grand children's future,
Speaker 14: to give ourselves a power bill cut, when what we
Speaker 14: were promised was that the government's investment investments in green
Speaker 14: energy would deliver this without having to do that, without
Speaker 14: having a mortgage our children's future.
Speaker 3: So what are we going to do here?
Speaker 14: We're going to keep giving ourselves three hundred dollars off
Speaker 14: each year now forever because the promise was throw dollars off,
Speaker 14: and there'll be three hundred dollars off forever, right because
Speaker 14: they'd be lower power bills forever. Are they going to
Speaker 14: do another three and lre billion dollars next year? Another
Speaker 14: three and alfre billion dollars after that?
Speaker 1: Soon?
Speaker 3: Enough, you're talking about real money. This is not the
Speaker 3: way to.
Speaker 14: Make our economy work better. Clearly the government government's energy
Speaker 14: pulse has failed, and this week's handout of three hundred
Speaker 14: dollars is an admission of failure from the Labor government.
Speaker 1: All right, quick break, pleenty want to talk about, including
Speaker 1: how the ABC accidentally burst the camera bubble we want
Speaker 1: to seek youre on pull Murray line. Every now and
Speaker 1: then it is good. The people who talk about politics
Speaker 1: all day, every day, myself included, are reminded of how
Speaker 1: the actual world talks about politics. Sam Crosby is here
Speaker 1: with Matt canavancent in Matt Canavan and it was a
Speaker 1: polled on for the ABC where it says, can you
Speaker 1: name something from the federal budget? Sixty percent of people
Speaker 1: said tax cuts, thirty percent of people said the energy stuff,
Speaker 1: but forty eight percent of people said no. Senator again,
Speaker 1: it is a little reminder. And while I love what
Speaker 1: we do in this coment, we can name and count
Speaker 1: the grains of sand on the beach, but every now
Speaker 1: and then we get a little reminder in the real world. Well, budget, okay,
Speaker 1: you know radio and ultimately they're the people who decide governments,
Speaker 1: don't it.
Speaker 14: They are, and they're probably smarter than you and I, perhaps, Paul,
Speaker 14: I have no A lot of.
Speaker 3: The budgets full of spin.
Speaker 14: I tell you what it's I don't think it's all
Speaker 14: that important to watch the budget because it is just
Speaker 14: it is layers upon layers of spin. You've really got
Speaker 14: to read all one hundred pages or for a few
Speaker 14: hundred pages of papers to really understand it, and obviously
Speaker 14: people don't that time. So look, I don't begrudge people
Speaker 14: being disengaged here.
Speaker 3: I think people do get a general idea.
Speaker 14: I saw once that people only spend about five minutes
Speaker 14: a year thinking about politics, the average person.
Speaker 3: So it changes to the challenge that we've all got.
Speaker 14: But I do think, as I said before, that's why
Speaker 14: people come back to the fact that this is a
Speaker 14: tough time, tough time for families, tough time for Australia
Speaker 14: in the world, and in those times, they tend to
Speaker 14: reward governments that do show leadership. I think we saw
Speaker 14: that in COVID and we're seeing that again. So I
Speaker 14: think the government's missing the mark here a little bit.
Speaker 14: In times of plenty, you can sort of get away
Speaker 14: with sometimes these types of handouts.
Speaker 3: People are just happy to have something. They're not too
Speaker 3: worried about the world.
Speaker 14: Right now, I think it's a different environment and maybe
Speaker 14: the Treasurer and the Prime Minister should be taking tougher decisions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean saying you're seeing this in the
Speaker 1: United States right where all the thinking people on television
Speaker 1: or saying, well, the latest data on the economy is
Speaker 1: this is then you go and talk to people, they go, sorry, no,
Speaker 1: I can't pay this, I can't pay that this pole.
Speaker 1: A little reminder again about all that detailed coverage and
Speaker 1: tax calculator that normal people are like, Okay, well.
Speaker 13: The US is a different kettle of fish because over
Speaker 13: there it's about turnout. So you've got to motivate your bait.
Speaker 1: You've got it right.
Speaker 13: It's all about the turnouts. That's seventy percent of what
Speaker 13: you map out who you likely voters are, and then
Speaker 13: you figure out how do we get those people to
Speaker 13: the poles over here. I mean, Matt's overly cynical, but
Speaker 13: I think he's onto something there. At the end of
Speaker 13: the day, the success of this budget will not be
Speaker 13: about whether or not people can name key agender items
Speaker 13: or key get it change my life exactly if when
Speaker 13: they go to the poles in six months twelve months time,
Speaker 13: do they think, no, I'm a little bit better off
Speaker 13: than I was three years ago. And all of those
Speaker 13: questions will come into it, from power prices to home
Speaker 13: prices to congestion, It'll all come in there.
Speaker 1: That's why I constantly talk about too little, too late.
Speaker 1: We'll all see what happens. All right, I've got about
Speaker 1: a minute here. Trump's back in court, but no one
Speaker 1: will be done by the end of the day. There
Speaker 1: might be another witness, but we could be at closing
Speaker 1: arguments by Thursday, which means off to the jury by Friday. Sam,
Speaker 1: Are they going to find him guilty?
Speaker 13: I think yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Okay, Matt, do you think they're going to find him guilty?
Speaker 1: Regardless of whether they should or shouldn't.
Speaker 14: It's pretty hard to see a New York jury letting
Speaker 14: him off.
Speaker 3: I suppose it won't be the end of it.
Speaker 14: My Trump's trying to drag this out, though it seems
Speaker 14: every day is in court, his polls go up.
Speaker 3: So maybe they'll call heaps witnesses and just keep him
Speaker 3: in New York forever.
Speaker 1: Well, and you want to talk about a cynical take,
Speaker 1: I reckon one of the reasons why he accepted the
Speaker 1: debate in June with Biden was because if there's guilty
Speaker 1: and we're getting descendancing, He's going to say, don't throw
Speaker 1: me in the slammer. I've got a presidential debate coming
Speaker 1: up in June, so obviously the options are still there
Speaker 1: for fines or suspended jiles sentences or you know, the
Speaker 1: punishment of house arrest in Trump Tower where you're with
Speaker 1: a supermodel in a golden building. Oh please don't let
Speaker 1: me leave. Well, anyway, we'll all find out throughout the
Speaker 1: night tonight more about Michael Cohen. You'll see it all
Speaker 1: again in the morning in first edition. Thank you lads
Speaker 1: to appreciate it. We'll talk again in a moment or
Speaker 1: two time. All right, quick break, plenty to do here
Speaker 1: on Pal Murray Live. I'm about to do the most
Speaker 1: dangerous thing you can do on television, which is wonder
Speaker 1: out loud. But let's give it a go. The Citny
Speaker 1: Wanning Herald is reporting this evening that half half of
Speaker 1: all of the people who go to Sydney University are
Speaker 1: overseas students. Okay, why don't we just do what we
Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty, which is sure you can study
Speaker 1: from anywhere in the world from your place. You don't
Speaker 1: actually have to come and live here. Why don't they
Speaker 1: just do that, do the full fee, paying that way,
Speaker 1: and we've solved the world's problems. Right for your complaints
Speaker 1: to Malcolm two