1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigall 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: people of the Eur Nation. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildeurand 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: I'm Joe hildurand and not Lydia Thorpe. And that is 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: a good thing. We've got an absolutely huge show for 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: you this week. We're going to get to the bottom 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: of whether the PM is about to break another election promise, 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: this time on negative gearing. Will he or won't he? 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: I have the answer for you coming up, Plus what 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: is actually going on inside Lydia Thorpe's head, what is 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: she trying to achieve? Plus Donald Trump's amazing stint as 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: a Macker's drive through operative. This is probably the greatest 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: part time job in the history of humankind and it 14 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: has got the left in America absolutely flummocks. They do 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: not know what to do. And that's why I reckon 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: it's going to win. All that more coming up first 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: up this week, let's just get right to it. I've 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: finally calmed down. I've had my becks and a lie down. 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: I'm ready to talk about Albow's four point three million 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: dollar real estate purchase. It's a beautiful home in retrospect. 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: He got it for a steal. He's living the Sydney dream, 22 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: nice little weekender on the central coast. Bought it for 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: less than the previous owner paid for it. So he's, 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 2: you know, made out like a bandit. We should be 25 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: celebrating him, We should be cheering him on. Instead, some 26 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: merely mouthed people sticks in the mud, the lot of 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: them have said that maybe you shouldn't be buying a 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 2: giant cliff top mansion in the middle of a housing crisis. Well, 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: poo poo to them, what's scrooges. But the real story 30 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: here is what is going to happen to the houses 31 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: belonging to the rest of us. Okay, Albo's got his house, 32 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: got it for a song. Good on him, fantastic, that's great, 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: Thank you linesman, Thank you boar boys. What about the 34 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: rest of us? What about our housing situation? Because one 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: of the upshots of Albow making this purchase is that 36 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 2: he came under renewed pressure to act on negative gearing. Now, 37 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: negative gearing is what happens when you borrow money to 38 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: make an investment, and then you can claim the interest 39 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: on those borrowings as well as other expenses against your tax. Now, 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: negative gearing was actually never meant to be for houses. 41 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: Negative gearing was meant to be for investing in the 42 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: stock markets, meant to make the Australian economy stronger because 43 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: it would encourage people to borrow money to invest in shares. 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: That's good for the share market. Share market goes up, 45 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: everyone gets rich, we all have a party. 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: Whoo. 47 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: And then some accountant figured out, oh, you know what, 48 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: if you buy a second house, that's an investment too. 49 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: So if you borrow money to buy a second house, 50 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: or a third house or a fourth house, then you 51 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: can actually claim the interest on the money you borrow 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: against your tax, so you're paying less tax and you're 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: getting your second house for cheaper than a first home 54 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: buyer would get if they were buying it as their 55 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: first house, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in a 56 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: market where you're trying to encourage first home buyers to 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: get their own home and get the security and the 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: financial future for their children that that delivers. It's a terrible, 59 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: terrible idea. However, the housing crisis has now gotten much 60 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: much worse than that, so in good news for negative gearing, 61 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: the housing crisis is now so bad that we're not 62 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: even worried about first home buyers like we used to. 63 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: We're worried about people even being able to rent a house. 64 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: We're desperately trying to get more houses, more homes, onto 65 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: the market, not just so that people can buy them, 66 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: but so that people can rent them out, because people 67 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: are struggling to even find a place to rent. That 68 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: means they can't even get a roof over their heads, 69 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: let alone think about actually owning their first property. And 70 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: this is where negative gearing comes back in because you 71 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: can only claim negative gearing, you only negatively gear. The 72 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: expense is associated with your property if it's an investment 73 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: and if you're renting it, because if you're living in it, 74 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: it's not an investment and it doesn't count. But of 75 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: course if you are not living in it and it's 76 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: your second, third, or fourth house, or whatever it may be, 77 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: then it becomes an investment. So this encourages people not 78 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: to become first homeowners, or not even to become homeowners, 79 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: or but to become landlords and to rent out property 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: to renters, because if there's no renter there, if you're 81 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: not using that property is an investment and losing money 82 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: on it, then you don't get to negative gear it. 83 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: So acting negative gearing makes perfect sense in an environment 84 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: where you're trying to get more people into the home 85 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: ownership market and first home buys a step on the 86 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: bottom rung of the housing ladder, But it makes absolutely 87 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: no sense if you're trying to get more renters into homes. 88 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: It does the exact opposite. But because Albo was copping 89 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: so much heat from his cliff top mansion, sorry, it's 90 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: definitely not a mansion, he told me himself. Because Albot's 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: copping so much heat for this, and because they're under 92 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: threat from the Greens on housing, because the Greens are 93 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: just making stuff up. Lab was thinking, holy crap, we've 94 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: got to just do something, or at least look like 95 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: we're doing something. And now the PM's got this really 96 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 2: bad look. And you know what, so last week, isn't it. 97 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: No one seems to be outraged by it anymore. It 98 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: was the end of the world a week ago, but 99 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: now everything's gone about game anyway. Point being they were 100 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: so outraged, but that we had to move on negative gearing, 101 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: restrict negative gearing, do something to stop negative gearing, to 102 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: stop the Greens from nipping at our heels and coming 103 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: at us from the rear or from the left, just 104 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: so we could look like we're doing something, even though 105 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: by actually doing that thing, we'd be making the crisis worse. Well, 106 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: the good news is, and I have it on very 107 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: good authority, that they're not going to do that. I 108 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: have been told by very reliable sources that Labor is 109 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: not going to go after negative gearing precisely because it 110 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: would make absolutely no sense. And the PM gets that. 111 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: So where is all this talk about going after negative 112 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: gearing coming from? Well, it's coming from some Treasury modeling 113 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: of this suggestion. And who has commissioned the treasury modeling. Look, 114 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: I'm not a qualified economist, I'm not even a qualified 115 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: political scientist, but I would probably hazard a guess that 116 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: the person who commissioned the Treasury modeling was the Treasurer. 117 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: So why is Jim Chalmers, who is a very sensible 118 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: person who actually technically sits to the right of Albow 119 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 2: in the Labor Party and should be you would think 120 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 2: more pro aspirational, more supportive of middle Australia people trying 121 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: to get ahead in life, rather than the usual kind 122 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: of tax and spend of the left or the wealth 123 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: redistribution that the left likes the whole idea. Why is 124 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers coming after it? Well, because, of course, negative 125 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: gearing costs the treasury money and it's a treasurer's job 126 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: to collect as much revenue as they possibly can. They 127 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: are just programmed that way. So anything that looks like 128 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 2: there's money that should be coming into treasury but isn't, 129 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: they will just instinctively go after a little fun fact 130 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: for you. The Treasurer is actually in charge of money 131 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: coming in to the government. Even though the treasure hands 132 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: down a budget and says this is how much we're 133 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: going to spend, and this how much we're going to 134 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: spend here and there and everywhere, it's actually the finance 135 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: minister who's in charge of running a rule over all 136 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: the spending. The Treasurer is the one who is responsible 137 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: primarily for tax collection, and so anything that looks like 138 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: a loophole they are going to be all over like 139 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: a cheap suit. And negative gearing is one hell of 140 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: a loophole. It's evil, it's stupid, it's counterintuitive, it makes 141 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: no sense whatsoever except right now we need it more 142 00:07:54,360 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: than ever. Meanwhile, in Australian politics, let's just do a 143 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: quick welfare check on Lydia Thorpe. Lydia Thorpe is, of course, 144 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: the former Greens senator who left the Greens because she 145 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: opposed the Indigenous Voice to Parliament, even though she was 146 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: the Greens spokeswoman for Indigenous Affairs and indeed, of course 147 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: indigenous herself, but she didn't like Indigenous Voice to Parliament 148 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: because it wasn't extreme or radical enough. And she's since 149 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: been proving just how extreme and radical she is by 150 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: doing things like raising her hand the fist in the 151 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: Senate to protest against Queen Elizabeth. Just kind of being 152 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: there seemed to be quite celebratory when a bunch of 153 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: people set fight to old Parliament House. Apparently that was 154 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: colonialism burning or something like that. And she was at 155 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: it again over the weekend when King Charles visited. She 156 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: started screaming in the middle of his reception in the 157 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: Great Hall of Parliament and shouting things like you're not 158 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: my king, and this is not your land and you 159 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: are a genocidal maniac or whatever. Of course, she got 160 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: dragged out by the cops and it made headlines all 161 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: over the world and absolutely nothing changed and the benefit 162 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: for Indigenous people in Australia was precisely zero, or arguably 163 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: less than zero, because it probably lowered the reputation of 164 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: genuine Indigenous activists, genuine Indigenous elders and community leaders, almost 165 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: all of whom came out to roundly condemn Lydia Thorpe 166 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: for once again dragging their cause through the mud and 167 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: doing absolutely nothing but damage to the very cause that 168 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: she purports to serve. So what is Lydia Thorpe actually thinking? Well, 169 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: the first question is actually stepped back from that, which 170 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: is is Lydia Thorpe actually thinking? And I think there's 171 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: a probably about a seventy percent chance that she's just 172 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: not thinking anything at all, or maybe there is actually 173 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: some kind of purpose behind it. Is this Lydia thought 174 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 2: desperately trying to make herself relevant or perhaps more specifically, 175 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: just remind people she exists. What she's actually relevant to 176 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: I don't actually know, but just to say, hey, I'm here, 177 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: Hi everybody, I'm Lydia Thorpe. Remember me. I'm here, I'm loud, 178 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: and I'm on the front page of the UK tabloids. Well, 179 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: this is what she told the ABC the day after 180 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: the protest. I am there for one reason and one 181 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: reason only, and it's not to make friends. 182 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: It's not to get re elected. 183 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: Which of course leads us to the very obvious conclusion 184 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: that this is about her trying to get re elected. 185 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: Right now, she's previously said that she's not going to 186 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: go up for re election and there's a very very 187 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: good reason for that. Now. Firstly, Lydia Thorpe was elected 188 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, but she was already in the 189 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 2: Senate because she replaced Leader Richard Dina Tali in his 190 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: seat in the Senate, and then she was put at 191 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: the very top of the Victorian Greens Senate ticket. This 192 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: is an absolute sure fire win. You cannot lose in 193 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: today's political climate. If you are the number one Greens 194 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: ticket holder on the Senate ticket, you definitely get in. 195 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: So it's a massive gift that the party gave her, 196 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: and of course she gave them a massive f you 197 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 2: in return when just a year or even less into 198 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: her first term she decided to betray the party and 199 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: leave the Greens because of her opposition to the Voice. Again, 200 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: she's just a wrecker wreck the Voice, wreck, the Greens whatever. 201 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: Don't really care so much about her wrecking the Greens, 202 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: but the voice I was kind of invested in. And 203 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: then she goes and sits in Parliament even though she 204 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: was not elected as an independent, but she sits there 205 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 2: as an independent, much like Senator Fadima Payman from the 206 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: Labor Party. And the thing with the Senate, of course, 207 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: is that you're elected for six years. Each term is 208 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 2: six years. So she is sitting there collecting a quarter 209 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: of a million bucks a year on the taxpayer dime 210 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: in the service of you guessed it, His majesty the 211 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: King until twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty eight, in a 212 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: House of Parliament that the bloke she was screaming at 213 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: and calling a genocidal maniac officially technically presides over. She 214 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: refuses to go anywhere, but at least she says she's 215 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: not going to seek reelection. Well why would that be. Well, 216 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: the quota to get elected in Victoria in a normal 217 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: half senate election, so half the senators are elected at 218 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: a time, So six senators are elected from each state 219 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 2: at a normal election, and so the quota is basically 220 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: one hundred percent divided by six plus one. That sounds 221 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: a bit sort of weird and mathematical. Basically, you've got 222 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: six senators, you've got to get elected. You've got many 223 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: more than six candidates, so instead of just having six, 224 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: you got six plus one. So if you get one 225 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: seventh of the vote, basically you are home and host. 226 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: Pretty much, the Greens pretty much got that they got 227 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 2: for their ticket above the line the twenty twenty two 228 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: election more than five hundred thousand votes five hundred thousand 229 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: and half a million, just shy of the official quota 230 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: of about five hundred and forty five thousand votes, so 231 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: they actually had to rely on a few little preferences. Tragically, 232 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: the Labour Party may have contributed to those preferences. Lydia 233 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: Thorpe below the line, as an incumbent senator, as a 234 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: former MP for the Greens in Victoria, very high profile 235 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: put at the top of the ticket replacing the leader 236 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: in the Senate. Lydia Thorpe got just forty thousand votes, 237 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: less than ten percent of what the over Green's vote was, 238 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: and yet she sits there still in the Senate as 239 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: though she had been elected just for herself. So if 240 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe is going to come close to getting re elected, 241 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: if she decides that actually she will give it a 242 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: throw and changes her mind. She is sitting on a 243 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: support base as far as we know, of forty thousand people, 244 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: some of whom may have actually been Green voters who 245 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: just decided to vote below the line for Lydia because 246 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: she was a nice Green way back then. So how 247 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: does Lydia Thorpe build her profile, build her brand and 248 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: try desperately to attract more potential votes when she runs 249 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: in the future. Well, she can't do it by actually 250 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: constructing an argument. She can't do it by building a 251 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: policy platform because she has neither of those. So she 252 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: just does it by being loud and vocal and visible 253 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: and making a scene and making a fuss and hoping 254 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: that she just gets some crazy name recognition out there. 255 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: So this is what occurred to me is I was 256 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: watching Lydia Thorpe get dragged away by the police from 257 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: yet an other public event. She's just so out there, 258 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: so wild, so unhinged, so uncontrolled, so mad cap in 259 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: the crazy things she screams from every public platform she 260 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: can find. She's completely unfit to be employed anywhere except 261 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: the Australian Parliament. And of course no episode would be 262 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: complete without a quick check in on quite frankly, the 263 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: greatest political phenomenon of the twenty first century. And I'm 264 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: calling it early. Even in the first quarter, Donald Trump 265 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: extraordinary scenes. I would have written him off at least 266 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: three times in this election campaign. He just keeps coming back. 267 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: I said early on that this was Kamala Harris's election 268 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: to lose, and boy, is she doing a good job 269 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: of losing it. She just cannot string a sentence together. 270 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: No one knows what she stands for. I received a 271 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: text message from a former senior politician who now lives 272 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: in the US who said that even in his very 273 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: heavily democratic state, no one seems to know what Karmala 274 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: is on about, what she stands for, what her values are. 275 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: She can't articulate any of her policies, she can't answer 276 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: straight and simple questions. And he's predicting a massive Republican wave. 277 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: So we'll see, We'll see how that goes. It is 278 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: so tight, it is so incredibly tight, no one can 279 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: really call it. But what we do know is that 280 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is gaining ground while Karmala Harris appears to 281 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: be slipping. So the momentum is with Donald Trump and 282 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: in those critical swing states. It's all about the swing states. 283 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: Of course, places like Pennsylvania, Trump is edging ahead. And 284 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: remember it doesn't matter if Kamala Harris wins the popular 285 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: vote or not if she does not win those swing states, 286 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: especially if she doesn't win Pennsylvania. These are largely sort 287 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: of Midwestern states. If she doesn't win these, then she 288 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: cannot in the White House. And this is very important 289 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: to know about the American political system. You've got the 290 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 2: electoral college five hundred and thirty eight votes, all divided 291 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: up between the various states. It's not about who wins 292 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: the overall popular vote. It's about who gets the most 293 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 2: electoral college votes. And that means that you can win 294 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: a big state by fifty one percent and take all 295 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: their electoral College votes, and you can win another state 296 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: by ninety percent and you still only get all those 297 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: electoral college votes. It is winner takes all, and that 298 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: is why you can get fewer votes than your opponent 299 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 2: across the board. But if those votes are in the 300 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: right places, you win the presidency. And that is exactly 301 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 2: what happened when Trump won in twenty sixteen, and he 302 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: is in an even better position according to the polls, 303 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: and the methodology of the polls keeps getting tweaked to 304 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: try and reflect the things that they missed the last 305 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: time round. But he is an even better position by 306 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: just about every marker than he was in twenty sixteen. 307 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: So why I would suggest it is because of comments 308 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: like these. You remember, of course Trump's triumphal fifteen minutes 309 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: as a fast food worker when he operated the McDonald's 310 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: drive through and was handing out fries to people as 311 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: very curiously pro Trump supporters just happened to drive through that. Obviously, 312 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 2: everyone vetted their security concern so everyone who came through 313 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: the drive through when he was serving would have had 314 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 2: to been screened and cleared. But this went all around 315 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 2: the world. It was absolutely huge. Where was it, Well, 316 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: it was in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, of course, that must win 317 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: state carries nineteen electoral votes, more than any of the 318 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: other major swing states that are really in contention. And 319 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 2: this was the reaction on the notoriously anti Trump and 320 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: progressive MSNBC. 321 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: What is the logic behind this going to a McDonald's. 322 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: I mean, we know the. 323 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: Guy likes Big Max and flair. 324 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: Fish, and he's used the word love to just the 325 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: way he feels about the food there before. But what's 326 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: this about. 327 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 5: There's no logic to it. 328 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: It's a stunt, and this is a thing. This is 329 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 2: the level of political analysis and mainstream understanding of the 330 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 2: elite East Coast and West coast new progressive left. I'd 331 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: say this is someone who is from the old progressive left, 332 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 2: where it used to be about you know workers, you 333 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: know poor people, remember them. These people cannot understand why 334 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: someone trying to get the mainstream American working class vote 335 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: would be at a drive through machas in Pennsylvania. That's 336 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: what they need to win. They say, Oh, it's just 337 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: a stunt. You think, Yes, it's a stunt. It's a 338 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: bloody good one. Some would say it's a cunning stunt. 339 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: That's why he's going to win. He's entertaining, he's fun, 340 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 2: he's relatable. He actually knows how the McDonald's kitchen works instinctively, 341 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: it would seem, whereas these guys are all sitting around 342 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: scratching their heads, going, I don't understand, I don't understand. 343 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 2: It's like McDonald's is a foreign planet to them. It's 344 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: like the people who work there or go there are 345 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 2: an alien species. And this is why Donald Trump, I 346 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: think is going to win because he is just relatable, 347 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: whether you like him or not, and whether you approve 348 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: of everything he's done or not. And I guarantee that 349 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: most people who vote for him will not have approved 350 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: of everything he's done. And yet the Left just keep 351 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: putting it up. But he's done this, but he's done that. 352 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: It's like, you know what, they knew it already and 353 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: they're still voting for him. And now you've got Joe 354 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: Biden in his last kind of weird soupy opium den 355 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 2: style hallucination, is saying that Donald Trump should be locked up. 356 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: Joe trying to lock him up was how he got 357 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: here at the first place. There was when you went 358 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: after him that suddenly he's pulled up as shut up. 359 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: And now it's just over a week to go. Uncle 360 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 3: Joe's come out just to get him a little bump across 361 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 3: the line. And that is why I think Donald Trump 362 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: is going to win, because these people just never never learn. 363 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 3: They don't know the people who are voting for Donald Trump. 364 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 3: They don't know who they are, what they are like, 365 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 3: They have no connection with them, they have no relatability 366 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: to them. They are to them a foreign species. They 367 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: are like an alien to them. And for those people, 368 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: for those people in Middle America, the New Left is 369 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: just as alien to them. 370 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: Now. I promised you when we started this show that 371 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: I would bring you stories, facts, information, vital information that 372 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: you won't get anywhere else. And I'm pretty sure we're 373 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: fulfilling that brief today. Today, in case you didn't know it, 374 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: in case you've been living under a rock, in case 375 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: your friends aren't all to talking about it down at 376 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: the local pub, Today is World Edible Insects Day. Now. 377 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 2: This has been put forward by experts, activists, you know, 378 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: various people, people smarter than you and I, who know 379 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: what's good for us as a solution to climate change. 380 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: So there's actually a real scientific sort of motivation for 381 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: people to say you have to eat bugs because cows. 382 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: We eat too much meat apparently, and cows and other 383 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: livestock produced methane and that's very bad for the environment. 384 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: So again, this has led to calls for humans to 385 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: eat insects, and this has led to World Edible Insects Day. 386 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if this is the best argument. I'm 387 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: not sure if just from a purely pr perspective. I'm 388 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: not questioning the science, but from a just from a 389 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 2: comms kind of cell point, I'm not sure if this 390 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: is the flag we should be running up the pole. 391 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: But I know nothing, And so I've brought in as 392 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: our special guest this week, Sky Blackburn, an entomologist and 393 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: the founder of Circle Harvest, which is basically a front 394 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 2: for bug eaters, and she joins me in the studio 395 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: right now, Sky, Welcome to the real story. 396 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 3: How are you good? 397 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: How are you? 398 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: I am nervous, I'm very excited. It's how I know 399 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: you're excited, You're very Insect Day. It is the World 400 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: Edible Insect Day. So let's get let's get our what 401 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: we call in grammar our number straight? Is it singular 402 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 2: or plural? World Edible Insects or World Edible Insect Insect Day? 403 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: So it's just one insect. 404 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: Well, if you eat one insect then you're participating. 405 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: Right, So just eat one insect for the World sect Today. 406 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: You don't even have to eat an insect today. You 407 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: just need to talk about eating insects today. Share that 408 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: idea with your friends. 409 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: Okay, great, Well, I'm going to take you up on 410 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: that and talk about eating insects today, just talk us 411 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 2: through the the rationale for World Edible Insect Day. 412 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: Well, on World Edible Insect Day, we just kind of like, 413 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: I've heard. 414 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 2: The phrase World Edible insect Day like ten times already, 415 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: which is ten times more than I've heard in my 416 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: entire life. Anyway, here we are sorry. 417 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: Continue, We really want to shine and import a light 418 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: on the importance of insects in our future food system. 419 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: So that might be with edible insects, that might be 420 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: as a source of animal feed, pet food as well. 421 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: We can use them for food waste management. We can 422 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: use them in pharmaceuticals. We can use them to make bioplastics. 423 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: So there's lots of different things that we can use. 424 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: It's not World Food Management insect Day. It's not World 425 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: Waste Management Edible insect Day. You are, well, it's certainly 426 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: got my attention. 427 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: We've said it lots of times already. 428 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: So and so this is basically because eating meat is 429 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: bad for the environment. 430 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: Well it's necessarily bad for the environment, but eating insects 431 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: is better for the environment. And within the next twenty 432 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: five years, yeah, within the next twenty five years, if 433 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 1: we keep producing food the way that we do at 434 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: the moment, we won't have enough food to feed our 435 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: growing population. So scientists like myself look at different ways 436 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: of producing food using less natural resources, so things like algain, seaweeds, 437 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: cellular agriculture, eating more plant based diets, and edible insects. 438 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: And you're an entomologist, that is science speak for someone 439 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 2: who studies insects. 440 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm that bug lady. 441 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: Don't be like that. That's what my kids call my wife. 442 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: So what sort of insects are we talking about eating 443 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 2: and how are we talking about eating them? 444 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: Well, there's over two thousand kinds of recorded species of 445 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: edible insects in the world, but in Australia, why it. 446 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 2: Should the world insects stay? I feel like just singling 447 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: out one insect is unfair to that insect. 448 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 3: So what met them? There's one nine and ninety nine 449 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: other species out there? 450 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 2: What are you anyway? 451 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: So continuing in Australia, we have three species that are 452 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: free for human consumption. So these are crickets and cheer 453 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: species of mealworms. So those are the ones that we 454 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: normally farm on a really big scale for people to 455 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: eat crickets and meal Yeah, so mealwam has a silly name. 456 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: It's not really a worm. It's actually like the lava 457 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: of a beetle. 458 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: Oh, that's worse. Don't worry, guys, you're not eating worms. 459 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: It's the lava of a beetle. 460 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: No, that is much more acceptable than a worse. Worms 461 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: in the dirt, the lava of a beetles in a beetle, 462 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: a beetle. 463 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 3: It's a young bet you're eating children. 464 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: You're eating baby beetles, baby beetlesh. 465 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: My god, it's like eating a young Paul McCartney. It's 466 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: in humane, okay, And how do we eat these things 467 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: because I presume that in their natural state they would 468 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: not be too appetizing. 469 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: Well, when we think about eating a steak, we don't 470 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: call it cow anymore. It doesn't really look like a cow. 471 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 4: Right. 472 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: So, when we're moving forward with the future of food 473 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: and we've got insects, they still are called insects. But 474 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: what we actually do is we grind them into to 475 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: a powder, or we have them in a paste or 476 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: an oil, and we use it to enrich familiar foods 477 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: that you eat all the time anyway, So it's more 478 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: of an invisible nutrient boost. 479 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 2: And yet you've brought in a sort of sample. Here, 480 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: one is something that looks like kind of corn chips. 481 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 2: I'll see it. See if you can hold up the 482 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: camera here it looks like corn chips, crunches like corn chips, 483 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: and yet it says on the front cricket protein corn chips. Like, 484 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: wouldn't it just be better if you just didn't tell 485 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 2: people that this has bugs in it? 486 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: No, that's the unique selling point. People love this. Why 487 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: would you not tell people? 488 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: People are not like me? Are they? Okay, well, look, 489 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this guy, but talent 490 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 2: doesn't taste test. So we've brought in Xander here, our 491 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: resident millennial guinea pig, who is going to try this 492 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: sample of fine foods that you've brought in and give 493 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: it the you know, two thumbs up or, in the 494 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 2: case of a bug, the six things up or they 495 00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: don't have some. 496 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 1: So let's just call it legs, which we don't want 497 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: to be teaching the children the wrong thing. 498 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: No, that that's right, that's right. Sorry, I apologize. I 499 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 2: defamed bugs for not having opposable digits. Okay, Xander, how 500 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 2: are you feeling at the moment. 501 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 4: I'm kind of questioning why I said yes to this now. Yes, 502 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 4: I think Producer Ricardo caught me in a happy mood 503 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 4: this morning and. 504 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 2: Did you just say come into the studio we'd love 505 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: to try you out on the mints and bugs And 506 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 2: I'm went sure, okay, So you knew that there were 507 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: bugs literally on the men, but I forgot throughout the 508 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: day that I said yes. 509 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 4: So now we're here and the heart palpitations are happening. 510 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: Yes, that's how I feel just by being middle aged. Yeah, 511 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: you got your whole life ahead of you and you're 512 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: a bug eater now, well not quite. If you had 513 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: lunch yet, you have right, what do you have for lunch? 514 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 4: I had a delicious steak sandwich. 515 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: Fantastic. Yeah, see that that is no bugs. That is 516 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 2: my time. 517 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: Actually, you've already eaten bugs then if you had a 518 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: steak sandwich, Because most of the foods that we eat 519 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: already have bugs in them. So the average person and 520 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: eats about a quarter of a kilo of bugs in 521 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: things like wheat. So you had bread, they're right. If 522 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: you're eating any kind of like chips with that, then 523 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: the chips are probably going to have so fruits and 524 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: vegetables and greens are all grown outside right, So for instance, 525 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: if we're farming wheat, then the harvester comes harvest all 526 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: the wheat, but the bugs are in there as well, 527 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: so those are ground up with that. 528 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 2: So unknowingly, how do you feel about your steak sandwich? 529 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: It's still it's still. 530 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: Down an insect sandwich. 531 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: This is this is this is Sky's genius. She's just 532 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: ruined all food for everybody now, so we might as 533 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: well eat bugs given that we've been doing it all 534 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: along already. Okay, so so Zander has been having Zander 535 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: had a steak sandwich for lunch, so he needs to 536 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: carbon offset that. What have you got? So? 537 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: I think the easiest thing to try would be the 538 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: cricket protein corn chips because you kind of know what 539 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: a chip should taste like, you know what the texture 540 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: should be, so it'd be really easy for you to 541 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: determine if there's like a buggy you kind of flavor 542 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: in there. 543 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: Okay, anyuk with this, it's it's millennials, so demanding, aren't. 544 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: That there's a barbecue flavor? So they already have flavoring 545 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: on them. 546 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to do some ASMR to the. 547 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 5: I just got shit is on the back of my Hmm, 548 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 5: I can't taste bug, but I'm not sure what bug 549 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 5: tastes like, but it just tastes like a corn chip, 550 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 5: to be hopes. 551 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: And that's the point. But each bag of those corn chips, 552 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: if you've got a little fifty grand bag, that'll have 553 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: as much protein as an egg. It's got heaps your 554 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: vitamin B twelve, calcium ion or your amino acids for 555 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,959 Speaker 1: the day as well. So instead of snacking on, you know, 556 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: your regular bag of corn chips that's really just hollow calories, 557 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: you can kind of swap that for a bag of 558 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: cricket chips, and you're feeding your body, you're feeding your brain. 559 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: So the bug chips are actually better for you than 560 00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: real chips. 561 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, because they've got nutrition in them. 562 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to your next little platter there. Now, 563 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: these look. 564 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: There's something sweet. So I've got some cookies, chocolate chip 565 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: cookies that are made using the cricket protein powder, and 566 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: each one of those cookies will have about five grams 567 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: of protein in it. Okay, but it's still got all 568 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: the butter and sugar and all the things that you 569 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: like in a cookie. 570 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: So it looks like a normal cookie. 571 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 4: I've done nothing about it right now, that is suggesting 572 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 4: that they're. 573 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: A crickets no, no legs, wings, antennas. 574 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: Not yet, not yet. 575 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: Let's give it a go. 576 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: Just tas like a normal cookie. You know, can you 577 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: teach my children to eat with their mouth clothes because 578 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: that is very very no, that is very very civilized. 579 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 5: I have no complaints, no bugginess, just a normal cookie 580 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 5: from you'd buy from the shops. 581 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: And that's the paint. Well. 582 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 2: Look, I feel like Sky have been privileged to be 583 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: part of a profound human experiment here today on World 584 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: Edible Insect Day, and not insects. Just insect could be you, grasshopper, 585 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: could be anyone. Watch out and Zander, thank you so 586 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: much for putting your body on the line. Would you 587 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: like to take a little doggie bag or a buggy bag? 588 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 5: I might actually take a buggy bag fall Yeah. 589 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: I might put a spring in the step for the 590 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: rest of the day. 591 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 5: As soon as you said protein, I was like, this 592 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 5: is great for the gym, so definitely. 593 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly creating a lot of bus I'm so sorry 594 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 2: and Sky, it's not news, as we both know, unless 595 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: there's a local angle and world Edible Insect Day is 596 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: coming to Australia and there is actually going to be 597 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: a dinner put on by the Powerhouse Museum in Paramatta 598 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: in Western Sydney, the fancy misk restaurant where special guests 599 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: will be gathering and eating bugs. 600 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've actually got a special dinner planned. We're 601 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: doing a restaurant teethcover of Misk in paramatter and we're 602 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: buggerfying their menu. So we've got a beautiful selection of 603 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: different kinds of edible insect and there's still tickets available 604 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: through the Powerhouse Producers website. 605 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: Sky Blackburn, Xander hero among Men. Thank you very much 606 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 2: for joining us on The Real Story. Thank you, thank you, 607 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: and that's all we have time for this week, another 608 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: bumper episode. Thank you very much for joining us. 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