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Speaker 1: Appo Jay Production.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, welcome back to the Missing Matter podcast. We're

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Speaker 2: going to take you for a trip into Amsterdam in

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Speaker 2: this episode, and we're going to tell you why we

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Speaker 2: were there and what we found and some of the

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Speaker 2: things we did. So it was dark and raining when

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Speaker 2: we left our London accommodation and we caught an uber

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Speaker 2: to Saint Pancras International train station to hop on the

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Speaker 1: It was very.

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Speaker 2: Early Joni, another early morning for us. It was raining again.

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Speaker 2: It was about just four hours, about four hours twenty

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Speaker 2: to get from London into Amsterdam. And the reason we

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Speaker 2: chose to do the trains it was a little bit

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Speaker 2: cheaper and obviously we're on a tight budget. It also

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Speaker 2: gave us an ability to sit down and actually do

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Speaker 2: our work on the Eurostar with their trade tables and

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Speaker 1: It made it a little bit easier.

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Speaker 2: I remember I had to wear a mask because Johnny

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Speaker 2: was starting to feel a bit sick, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: we both cannot get sick.

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Speaker 1: If one of us is sick, that's okay, we can manage.

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Speaker 3: But if both of us get sick, that it's going

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Speaker 3: to turn as a custard. Yeah, that time when you

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Speaker 3: aren't sick, but you know that the steam train is

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Speaker 3: wish to to actually stop this from happening, because that

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Speaker 3: is such bad timing. I was just literally just praying

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Speaker 3: to whoever that by the time we got to Amsterdam

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Speaker 3: would literally all go away. But I knew, I just

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Speaker 4: Get passengers good morning, a momentary or at ASDA sample

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Speaker 4: station currently eleven twenty Absterdam Centaur was the final call,

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Speaker 4: the kindly regressive to disapprocha train on the rable and

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Speaker 4: what you do, don't forget your personal belongance. I thank

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Speaker 4: the gap between them and platform.

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Speaker 2: So we arrived in Amsterdam and we head straight to

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Speaker 2: our accommodation. We had a funny moment, didn't we wear.

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Speaker 2: We popped into the uber and the driver actually was

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Speaker 2: telling us how he was a world champion kickboxer Moroccan Moca.

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Speaker 2: He was so nice and he's following along on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully he will hear this one day. But he

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Speaker 2: was so nice, like we actually had cards of Mum

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Speaker 2: these postcards. And we thought that was a great way

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Speaker 2: about what we were doing in Amsterdam. We actually arrive

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Speaker 2: at our hotel and it was probably our nicest accommodation.

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Speaker 1: Actually, it was.

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Speaker 2: Magnet, very beautiful, and we walked in and I opened

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Speaker 1: And then I looked out the window.

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Speaker 2: Oh goodness me, all I can smell is marijuana.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: The bees. Oh that's because over the rock.

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Speaker 2: The energy shop is mushroom seas smoke supplies.

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Speaker 1: Right, yes, I can see.

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Speaker 3: Then I think there's a cafe down below us on

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Speaker 1: I actually can't believe how strong it is. That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: So that was interesting because I'm used to seeing them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it was quite weird, and I was quite

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget you like you you come in. We'd

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Speaker 2: I would have said that's my favorite favorite city to

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Speaker 2: so you have to be very, very careful. We went

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Speaker 2: going there to see the Sunflowers, meaning she was going

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Speaker 2: a massive big print of that in her house. So

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Speaker 2: as a child, I remember growing up with a lot

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Speaker 2: was a bit of a sad moment because I didn't

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Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to go and see the sunflowers

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Speaker 2: and see what it was that she.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to see with her eyes. And it's also just

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Speaker 3: Her last sort of art push with the boys was

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Speaker 2: Well. She always brought it into everything she did, so

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Speaker 2: year olds about and she'd play the music, you know,

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Speaker 2: Laura actually gave me a scarf which was had the

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Speaker 2: and I had goosebumps roll down my body.

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Speaker 1: So it is quite powerful for me to be able.

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Speaker 2: To have that experience, and I'm very grateful to be

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Speaker 5: Starry, starry, name, pink, sure, pilid, blue and gray look

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Speaker 3: So the reason why we're in Amsterdam was also to

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Speaker 3: look at coin dealers because mister Blue, whom had been

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Speaker 3: We also have the issue of his cousin's widow who

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Speaker 3: to leave through Amsterdam to go to Bali because he

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Speaker 3: to him was something actually happened in Amsterdam to that money,

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Speaker 3: That's why the coin dealers really interested me. Also the

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Speaker 1: Look for me.

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Speaker 2: I think Joanie and I have very different ways of

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Speaker 2: why it works so well, because I have the emotional

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Speaker 2: and we gel them together. And it's interesting because even

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Speaker 1: Me the coin dealers.

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Speaker 2: It turned out I ended up having to do the

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Speaker 2: She was quite unwell. Joanie's a really tough check. She

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Speaker 1: And she cried and I thought, oh my god, she's crying,

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Speaker 1: didn't expect her to cry, but you were quite heartbroken.

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Speaker 1: At the same time.

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Speaker 2: I think that we'd got there and you were sick,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm letting you down, Like this is

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Speaker 1: Need to be here, I need to do it us.

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Speaker 1: You are not letting me down.

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Speaker 2: We'd found a soup shop the day before which we

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Speaker 2: had some soup and I'll just get you some soup.

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Speaker 1: I'll bring it back. I guess too.

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Speaker 2: I had to go out because two of us could

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Speaker 2: I guess that I left and went and did the

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Speaker 2: work that both of us were wanting to do. But

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Speaker 2: I do know how sad you were that you didn't

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Speaker 2: hard on organizing it and where we were going and.

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Speaker 1: What we were doing.

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Speaker 2: And I had to sort of catch up pretty quick

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Speaker 1: Do what I need to get done today.

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Speaker 2: I guess the coin side of things is we know

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Speaker 2: that Rick Blum had a company called balanacoin invest Now

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Speaker 2: he claims that he did know transactions through that business

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Speaker 2: that it wasn't active. It was questioned through the inquest

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Speaker 2: as to why you would pay for a business name

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Speaker 2: and for us, in the back of our minds, is

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Speaker 2: is there something sitting behind that that the police have

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Speaker 2: not looked into yet are their bank accounts overseas? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm from my perspective, the police are telling me in

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Speaker 2: the report that my mum had eighty thousand dollars electronically

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Speaker 2: with her new partner. You know, where did they get

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Speaker 2: that information from? And why are they putting it into

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Speaker 1: Action on it.

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Speaker 2: So for us, we wanted to investigate as to what

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Speaker 6: Mister Bloom's interest in coin collecting. Diane gave evidence that

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Speaker 6: She was not aware of him turning his interest in

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Speaker 3: In regards to the coin dealing, I just want to

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Speaker 1: You didn't know where your MAMO was.

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Speaker 3: And then when Rick Bloom came along or Frederick de

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Speaker 2: So for those who haven't listened to the Lady Vanishers

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Speaker 2: Then I get an email from a gentleman who wants

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: He did that and he found the name of the

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was an absolute game changing moment so coin invest.

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Speaker 3: Looking back over that time, the ballin retire and I

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Speaker 1: This is what he said. He said, oh yes, Rick.

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Speaker 3: Now at this stage I wasn't expecting him to actually

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Speaker 3: very quickly out of this conversation. This is what he said, Oh, Rick,

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Speaker 3: HEDIVERI the Belgian. Yes, he's living in the foothills of

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Speaker 3: He was just laughing the whole time, like he thought

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Speaker 1: What I did know was we had catalogs.

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Speaker 3: We had invoicing, we had bank details, we had dates

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Speaker 3: and I thought, well, okay, nineteen ninety seven, we need

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Speaker 1: So that was very helpful.

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Speaker 3: So it says ex collection of Franz Ernst and I'm

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Speaker 3: Bishop of Tournay, the cure of the parish of Saint

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Speaker 3: Pierre in Tournay. He died in nineteen thirty nine, by

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Speaker 3: So then the world again opened up. And at the

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Speaker 3: A perfect way to effectively launder ill gotten gains. I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying that mister Bloom did this, and that was

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Speaker 2: You're talking about buying a coin that is worth fifty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's effectively a very good way to move

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Speaker 3: So he stated that he did have a bank account

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Speaker 3: that Rick Frederick de Heeveri was also known as Richard West,

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Speaker 3: so that dealer knew him as Richard West or Rick West.

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Speaker 3: He was sacked and this is according to Stuart Wright.

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Speaker 3: He was sacked after it was discovered that he had

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Speaker 7: Mister Blum embraced the position he was offered, turning up

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Speaker 7: The Australian. One day, mister Blum just disappeared, leaving his

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Speaker 7: who asked The Australian to withhold his identity, interacted with

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Speaker 1: He said.

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Speaker 7: We felt that he was a bit of a Walter

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Speaker 2: So we leave the room, the engulfed room of marijuana,

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Speaker 2: We're tapping our card just to get on and off.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to work out if that's how it works.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye, Sol, she missed.

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Speaker 1: She couldn't get the door open, so off she goes.

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Speaker 1: She'll be most happy.

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Speaker 6: Bye bye see.

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Speaker 2: So we've been here for two minutes and we've already.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I am just fucking see a sign saying

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Speaker 2: So we arrive at the museum and wow, like, what

439
00:23:37,321 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: an amazing thing to witness, you know, all his original artworks,

440
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,801
Speaker 2: and it's just the whole museum is flooded with his artwork,

441
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: which was pretty special to see. Obviously, the sunflowers was

442
00:23:47,281 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: a big attraction. There was probably the best part of

443
00:23:50,761 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: thirty people standing around with headphones on, listening to the

444
00:23:54,241 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: stories about his artwork and his life, which was quite

445
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,001
Speaker 2: a sad life. And so we finished going through the

446
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: museum and we've got some gifts, and we walked downstairs

447
00:24:08,241 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: and we thought one of the things we wanted to

448
00:24:10,721 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: do when we went to these places because we'd experienced

449
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: this years before when I went to the UK and

450
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,961
Speaker 2: I was with Christina, and Christina had sort of introduced

451
00:24:20,001 --> 00:24:22,801
Speaker 2: me to the idea that there are guest books in

452
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,761
Speaker 2: a lot of these places that you visit, and so

453
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: that became a bit of a theme for us as well,

454
00:24:28,761 --> 00:24:31,241
Speaker 2: Let's check if they've got a guest book, how far

455
00:24:31,321 --> 00:24:33,761
Speaker 2: back does the guest book go, and does there have

456
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: anything in there that might be of interest. We do

457
00:24:37,441 --> 00:24:40,201
Speaker 2: have the or the only guest book that we actually have,

458
00:24:40,681 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: which is in our brief of evidence, so I'm not

459
00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:45,161
Speaker 2: allowed to talk about it, but it does come from

460
00:24:45,241 --> 00:24:47,801
Speaker 2: Jane Austen's house, and there is an insert in there

461
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,241
Speaker 2: that for me personally, I looked at and I thought

462
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:51,041
Speaker 2: was a bit odd.

463
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,801
Speaker 1: Everyone else just said, no, there's nothing to see here.

464
00:24:53,961 --> 00:24:56,761
Speaker 2: So hopefully one day I can actually show everyone that

465
00:24:56,801 --> 00:24:58,721
Speaker 2: and get everyone's opinion on it. Because I do think

466
00:24:58,761 --> 00:25:01,721
Speaker 2: it's actually of interest. But again, sorry, I can't talk

467
00:25:01,761 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: about it because it's behind that locked door. But we

468
00:25:05,721 --> 00:25:08,041
Speaker 2: went and asksome and we tried to record it. It was

469
00:25:08,041 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: a little bit noisy in there, but we did try

470
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,921
Speaker 2: to capture what the lady said, and this is what she.

471
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:19,001
Speaker 8: Said, good museum, we've seen the sun clowns and we're

472
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 8: just going just going to ask if they have a

473
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 8: guest book.

474
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,401
Speaker 2: So, JOONI, you went up to the counter and asked

475
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: the lady. And it's always a weird thing, isn't it.

476
00:25:28,241 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: I think you say something along the lines on this

477
00:25:30,481 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: is a really weird request. But was anyone working here

478
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,281
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven? So that's generally how we rolled

479
00:25:38,321 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: with that line of question. And then if they say

480
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,521
Speaker 2: yes or no, they usually asked why are you asking,

481
00:25:43,921 --> 00:25:46,081
Speaker 2: and we then head into well, we're just wondering if

482
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,721
Speaker 2: there was a guest registry. We know it's a long

483
00:25:48,761 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: time ago, but is it in archives because this is

484
00:25:51,241 --> 00:25:54,881
Speaker 2: a pretty important, famous thing for people to come and see.

485
00:25:54,961 --> 00:25:57,681
Speaker 2: We're wondering if you actually kept records. No, we didn't

486
00:25:57,721 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: have to.

487
00:25:58,561 --> 00:26:04,961
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, yep, yes, okay, thank you, thank you.

488
00:26:05,201 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: Because a very strange question. My mum's a missing person.

489
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,761
Speaker 2: One of her last postcards said she was on her

490
00:26:13,801 --> 00:26:17,081
Speaker 2: way to Amsterdam's come and see the sun flowers red.

491
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,241
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we were years ago.

492
00:26:20,321 --> 00:26:22,561
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she went to Jane Austin's house and they

493
00:26:22,561 --> 00:26:24,801
Speaker 2: actually do have guest books there.

494
00:26:24,561 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: Like things like that.

495
00:26:25,201 --> 00:26:27,321
Speaker 2: So we're asking if we can have a look at

496
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: guestbooks to see if she actually came. She was quite young,

497
00:26:30,561 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: whereas in say the UK, when I went with Channel seven,

498
00:26:34,561 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: we went to tom Bridge Castle and there's five people

499
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: in that room and every single one of them was

500
00:26:39,721 --> 00:26:42,521
Speaker 2: working there in nineteen ninety seven, so they remembered the

501
00:26:42,521 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: brochure that I'd brought and things like that, so we

502
00:26:45,441 --> 00:26:48,041
Speaker 2: didn't get that same vibe in there. It was kind

503
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,521
Speaker 2: of like a bit of a really sorry, but no,

504
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: we don't have it.

505
00:26:50,521 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: So we left.

506
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: But we did see the sun flowers and you know

507
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: that was that was pretty special.

508
00:26:55,681 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: No, I was just happy that I was there for

509
00:26:57,201 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: my mum.

510
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 2: I think, you know, my mind was taken back to

511
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: a bit sad because I just honestly feel like she

512
00:27:04,281 --> 00:27:05,041
Speaker 2: didn't get to go.

513
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,321
Speaker 1: There, and.

514
00:27:07,801 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like in the way she was

515
00:27:09,681 --> 00:27:12,721
Speaker 2: talking and what she was talking about in the lead

516
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: up going on the Orient Express and all these things.

517
00:27:15,721 --> 00:27:17,921
Speaker 2: For me, in my heart, I just don't think any

518
00:27:17,961 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: of that happened, and it made.

519
00:27:20,521 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: Me quite sad.

520
00:27:21,761 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: I mean, look, the hard thing about transiting and looking

521
00:27:25,761 --> 00:27:28,801
Speaker 2: for somebody who's maybe potentially transiting through Europe and we

522
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: found this Jooney, and we talk about it in the

523
00:27:30,921 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: next episode. A fair bit actually coming into Brussels is

524
00:27:34,681 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: that no one's checking anything. Like you literally get off

525
00:27:37,721 --> 00:27:40,681
Speaker 2: a train, you can bounce around from anywhere, apart from

526
00:27:40,681 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 2: maybe coming out of the UK you go through customs.

527
00:27:43,681 --> 00:27:46,561
Speaker 2: But it was so simplified, like we were just literally

528
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,001
Speaker 2: bouncing out of countries in and out of just on

529
00:27:49,041 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: trains and no one was.

530
00:27:49,921 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: Looking at anything.

531
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: So it's hard in that fact to then go and

532
00:27:53,921 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: try and source records to see if my mum actually

533
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,161
Speaker 2: did make it to Amsterdam, right, we don't know. All

534
00:27:59,201 --> 00:28:03,121
Speaker 2: we've got is her saying next stop Amsterdam, and then

535
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,121
Speaker 2: next thing is the next point have is her returning

536
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,681
Speaker 2: back to Australia, So we don't know what she did

537
00:28:08,721 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: in that you know, two to three weeks period.

538
00:28:11,001 --> 00:28:12,601
Speaker 1: And I don't think we're ever going to find that out.

539
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,561
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, so we have confirmed that Amsterdam they don't hold records,

540
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 3: so there's no incoming records at all.

541
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,041
Speaker 2: When we were planning where we were going to go,

542
00:28:22,321 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: that was one of the things I wanted to know.

543
00:28:24,241 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: Did she go to Amsterdam?

544
00:28:26,321 --> 00:28:29,321
Speaker 2: We then found out through your hard work to see

545
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,241
Speaker 2: that well, they actually don't hold records. So we thought, well,

546
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,401
Speaker 2: let's still go because mum said she was going there,

547
00:28:36,961 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: and let's see if there's any connectors to coin options

548
00:28:41,361 --> 00:28:44,921
Speaker 2: or something that happened around that time that potentially fits

549
00:28:44,961 --> 00:28:46,481
Speaker 2: in with the timeline.

550
00:28:49,041 --> 00:28:49,721
Speaker 1: For clarity.

551
00:28:50,041 --> 00:28:54,161
Speaker 2: My mum actually sent three postcards that she actually references

552
00:28:54,201 --> 00:28:57,961
Speaker 2: going to Amsterdam. We've done something a bit a bit

553
00:28:58,361 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: next level, but I wanted to make this real and

554
00:29:01,521 --> 00:29:05,041
Speaker 2: bring this really in for everybody. So if you're here

555
00:29:05,041 --> 00:29:10,281
Speaker 2: hearing the postcards being read out, we've actually used AI

556
00:29:11,081 --> 00:29:15,081
Speaker 2: to recreate my mum's voice, So you guys listening now,

557
00:29:15,361 --> 00:29:19,401
Speaker 2: you are hearing my mum's voice, which we took audio

558
00:29:19,441 --> 00:29:24,241
Speaker 2: from my twenty first birthday video on VHS and we've

559
00:29:24,281 --> 00:29:27,321
Speaker 2: transcribed it into AI. So this is the good side

560
00:29:27,361 --> 00:29:30,401
Speaker 2: of AI. And you know what super emotional for me

561
00:29:30,521 --> 00:29:33,841
Speaker 2: is the first time i'd heard my mum's voice since

562
00:29:33,881 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: she's disappeared. So in my postcard, the Sally's Craft postcard,

563
00:29:39,041 --> 00:29:42,521
Speaker 2: she that was in Alfriston, and she talks about next

564
00:29:42,561 --> 00:29:45,521
Speaker 2: stop Amsterdam is what we're going to quote.

565
00:29:45,601 --> 00:29:49,041
Speaker 1: Next stop Amsterdam.

566
00:29:49,121 --> 00:29:51,681
Speaker 2: Then we have on the seventh of July, she sent

567
00:29:51,721 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: a postcard to her second cousin, so my grandmother's cousins,

568
00:29:56,601 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: and that was the one of the cat shop for

569
00:29:58,801 --> 00:30:01,681
Speaker 2: those who have followed along well, and she says, I'm

570
00:30:01,721 --> 00:30:04,561
Speaker 2: off shortly to Amsterdam and the Orient Express on the

571
00:30:04,601 --> 00:30:07,201
Speaker 2: fifteen of July. So she actually gives us a date.

572
00:30:07,641 --> 00:30:11,321
Speaker 7: I'm off shortly to Amsterdam and the Orient Express on

573
00:30:11,401 --> 00:30:12,401
Speaker 7: the fifteenth of July.

574
00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:18,081
Speaker 2: Then on the eleventh of July, I get a postcard

575
00:30:18,121 --> 00:30:21,761
Speaker 2: that's stamped from London with London Tower Bridge on the

576
00:30:21,761 --> 00:30:25,481
Speaker 2: front cover, and she says, eagerly looking forward to seeing

577
00:30:25,561 --> 00:30:30,361
Speaker 2: Vango's flowers and revisit Holland. Eagerly looking forward to seeing

578
00:30:30,441 --> 00:30:37,641
Speaker 2: Vangos's flowers and revisit Holland. So she went to Holland

579
00:30:38,161 --> 00:30:45,761
Speaker 2: with Ray Barta on their honeymoon just for clarity.

580
00:30:46,561 --> 00:30:49,481
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got a busy day.

581
00:30:49,521 --> 00:30:55,161
Speaker 2: We leave van Goes Museum and we snapshot a photo.

582
00:30:55,321 --> 00:30:57,961
Speaker 2: I remember this day as clear as if it was yesterday.

583
00:30:58,481 --> 00:31:00,681
Speaker 2: We stopped, there's a bike there where we're getting a

584
00:31:00,681 --> 00:31:01,401
Speaker 2: beautiful photo.

585
00:31:01,441 --> 00:31:02,001
Speaker 1: It's sunny.

586
00:31:02,041 --> 00:31:04,601
Speaker 2: It stopped raining for five seconds, because it's rained every

587
00:31:04,641 --> 00:31:08,601
Speaker 2: single day so far. We head past a shop that

588
00:31:08,721 --> 00:31:13,641
Speaker 2: has soups and delicious, really am so so we just

589
00:31:13,641 --> 00:31:17,801
Speaker 2: sat there and had this amazing piece of bread with

590
00:31:18,081 --> 00:31:26,041
Speaker 2: a cup of soup. The other thing we wanted to

591
00:31:26,041 --> 00:31:29,601
Speaker 2: do at nighttime. So this was not about pleasure or

592
00:31:30,161 --> 00:31:32,721
Speaker 2: anything of the sort. It was about trying to do

593
00:31:32,761 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: things that my mum would like to do in her shoes.

594
00:31:36,001 --> 00:31:37,601
Speaker 1: So I was trying to walk in her shoes.

595
00:31:38,041 --> 00:31:41,761
Speaker 2: And something that she quite often talked about was Ant

596
00:31:41,801 --> 00:31:44,841
Speaker 2: Frank and the Diary of Ann Frank was something that

597
00:31:44,881 --> 00:31:47,001
Speaker 2: I remember very well as a child and my mum

598
00:31:47,041 --> 00:31:51,041
Speaker 2: always talking about it. And realized when we were looking

599
00:31:51,081 --> 00:31:53,441
Speaker 2: at what to do in Amsterdam to fill in our

600
00:31:53,481 --> 00:31:56,041
Speaker 2: time at nighttime and things like that, there was an

601
00:31:56,041 --> 00:32:01,641
Speaker 2: opportunity to go to and Frank's house. And you know

602
00:32:03,361 --> 00:32:06,641
Speaker 2: that was a very humbling experience for me personally. I

603
00:32:06,681 --> 00:32:09,161
Speaker 2: know you weren't feeling well at this point, your wheels

604
00:32:09,201 --> 00:32:10,001
Speaker 2: were falling off.

605
00:32:10,121 --> 00:32:14,041
Speaker 3: I honestly can't actually remember a lot of that. Yeah, right,

606
00:32:14,081 --> 00:32:15,161
Speaker 3: said unfortunately.

607
00:32:15,321 --> 00:32:17,401
Speaker 2: So we were standing outside lining up and we had

608
00:32:17,561 --> 00:32:19,841
Speaker 2: umbrellas up because it was I remember that.

609
00:32:20,161 --> 00:32:21,921
Speaker 1: And you walk in.

610
00:32:21,841 --> 00:32:24,201
Speaker 2: And you actually get headphones, and as you walk into

611
00:32:24,201 --> 00:32:27,321
Speaker 2: each room, it connects to the headphones, so it's every

612
00:32:27,361 --> 00:32:31,521
Speaker 2: it's silent everywhere, like no one's talking, everyone's just listening.

613
00:32:31,761 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: And for me personally, you sort of walk up and

614
00:32:34,001 --> 00:32:38,121
Speaker 2: you walk in behind the bookcase that they had the

615
00:32:38,201 --> 00:32:41,401
Speaker 2: hidden bookcase of where they were hiding all day long

616
00:32:41,521 --> 00:32:44,721
Speaker 2: while the workers were there and doing their thing downstairs,

617
00:32:45,041 --> 00:32:49,801
Speaker 2: And I personally remember stepping on a floorboard and it

618
00:32:49,921 --> 00:32:53,041
Speaker 2: creaking as I was walking around, and I had that

619
00:32:53,161 --> 00:32:56,561
Speaker 2: moment of oh my gosh, like they're trying to be

620
00:32:56,681 --> 00:33:00,201
Speaker 2: quiet upstairs. Imagine stepping on a floorboard and someone hearing

621
00:33:00,241 --> 00:33:00,921
Speaker 2: it and going what.

622
00:33:01,001 --> 00:33:05,921
Speaker 1: Is that upstairs? So that it was quite a moment.

623
00:33:05,961 --> 00:33:07,521
Speaker 2: We were going to go out for dinner after that,

624
00:33:07,761 --> 00:33:11,321
Speaker 2: and you were too unwell, so I took you home

625
00:33:11,921 --> 00:33:15,001
Speaker 2: and put you to bed, and I went downstairs and

626
00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: I remember I had something at the bar, like it

627
00:33:17,521 --> 00:33:21,401
Speaker 2: wasn't wasn't much, but we just you were needing to

628
00:33:21,441 --> 00:33:24,201
Speaker 2: go to bed. That was hard for you, and I'm

629
00:33:24,241 --> 00:33:26,881
Speaker 2: really grateful for you. You were a soldier, you were

630
00:33:26,881 --> 00:33:31,801
Speaker 2: an absolute soldier in that moment. So yeah, so I

631
00:33:31,881 --> 00:33:36,321
Speaker 2: head out on the streets of Amsterdam by myself. I'm

632
00:33:36,361 --> 00:33:39,881
Speaker 2: a bit nervous, and I've left Johnie in bed. Hopefully

633
00:33:39,921 --> 00:33:41,681
Speaker 2: she'll feel better by the time I get back to

634
00:33:41,721 --> 00:33:42,881
Speaker 2: go and do what I need to do.

635
00:33:47,081 --> 00:33:49,121
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's nine o'clock.

636
00:33:50,481 --> 00:33:56,841
Speaker 2: I think it's the eleventh October, and unfortunately Joanie is

637
00:33:57,521 --> 00:33:58,561
Speaker 2: sick with the flu.

638
00:33:59,721 --> 00:34:00,721
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not.

639
00:34:00,961 --> 00:34:06,401
Speaker 2: Very well at all actually, which is not great for her,

640
00:34:08,001 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: and I am worried about her.

641
00:34:12,921 --> 00:34:15,601
Speaker 1: All right, So I am on my way.

642
00:34:17,761 --> 00:34:21,321
Speaker 2: To go to the first point dealer on our lists,

643
00:34:23,121 --> 00:34:29,121
Speaker 2: going solo. A little bit nervous, but anyway, the plan

644
00:34:29,281 --> 00:34:36,681
Speaker 2: is to go in there and see if anyone knows

645
00:34:37,001 --> 00:34:44,241
Speaker 2: or remembers mister Blonde and if he was a customer

646
00:34:44,241 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: of theirs, and potentially if they had an overseas bank

647
00:34:49,561 --> 00:34:56,521
Speaker 2: account registered to his account, what his details, because what

648
00:34:56,561 --> 00:35:01,201
Speaker 2: we know, based on Grahandchild's statement, is that the eighty

649
00:35:01,241 --> 00:35:07,921
Speaker 2: thousand dollars was electronically trans I heard potentially being Verbie

650
00:35:07,921 --> 00:35:12,921
Speaker 2: commers to an overseas account. I can't remember the exact word,

651
00:35:12,681 --> 00:35:15,441
Speaker 2: but like to buy a house with your new partner.

652
00:35:16,921 --> 00:35:21,521
Speaker 1: So we only have accounts would be Commonwealth Bank.

653
00:35:22,681 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: So if we can find if he had an account overseas,

654
00:35:27,281 --> 00:35:30,481
Speaker 2: we can give that to the police and they potentially

655
00:35:30,481 --> 00:35:33,641
Speaker 2: can look into that because we still haven't found where

656
00:35:33,761 --> 00:35:38,761
Speaker 2: Mom's money went to. You know the downside of this

657
00:35:38,961 --> 00:35:41,521
Speaker 2: is like last night, we were reading a couple of

658
00:35:41,561 --> 00:35:44,561
Speaker 2: comments online and there were people commenting about how we

659
00:35:44,561 --> 00:35:47,041
Speaker 2: were just here on a fun trip and we were

660
00:35:47,081 --> 00:35:48,721
Speaker 2: just there for you know, oh, look at them, they

661
00:35:48,761 --> 00:35:50,761
Speaker 2: get to go overseas and do all these wonderful things.

662
00:35:51,001 --> 00:35:54,801
Speaker 2: That was actually really hard to read because Jooni's sick,

663
00:35:54,881 --> 00:35:57,681
Speaker 2: she's away from her family. I'm away from my family.

664
00:35:57,801 --> 00:36:00,761
Speaker 2: We were gone for, you know, over three weeks. That

665
00:36:00,801 --> 00:36:04,201
Speaker 2: particular morning, Darcy had been messaging me because it was

666
00:36:04,201 --> 00:36:06,921
Speaker 2: her birthday the next day and I wasn't home for it.

667
00:36:07,081 --> 00:36:10,081
Speaker 2: And although she'd said I'm okay for you to not

668
00:36:10,201 --> 00:36:12,761
Speaker 2: be here, it's still hard when you're not home and

669
00:36:12,881 --> 00:36:15,641
Speaker 2: you know your daughter's having a birthday. I'd like to

670
00:36:15,641 --> 00:36:18,201
Speaker 2: tell those people who think we're here for fun. That

671
00:36:18,281 --> 00:36:21,161
Speaker 2: this is not very fun at all, and it's very difficult,

672
00:36:21,201 --> 00:36:23,921
Speaker 2: bouncing in and out of countries, not eating properly, not

673
00:36:23,961 --> 00:36:27,881
Speaker 2: sleeping properly, to try and get this information, and not

674
00:36:27,921 --> 00:36:30,161
Speaker 2: to mention the fact that we're putting ourselves in positions

675
00:36:30,281 --> 00:36:31,921
Speaker 2: or we have to go and ask people questions that

676
00:36:32,441 --> 00:36:33,561
Speaker 2: they probably don't want to answer.

677
00:36:33,761 --> 00:36:37,681
Speaker 1: So it is quite tricky and it's not fun. And

678
00:36:37,761 --> 00:36:39,041
Speaker 1: you know, we're away from our families.

679
00:36:39,121 --> 00:36:42,081
Speaker 2: It's Darcy's birthday tomorrow and I'm missing out and I've

680
00:36:42,881 --> 00:36:45,521
Speaker 2: you know, she's been messaging me saying she misses me

681
00:36:45,601 --> 00:36:49,201
Speaker 2: and loves me. I know Ethan's been, you know, missing

682
00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: his mum as well. You know. So it's a lot

683
00:36:51,481 --> 00:36:54,361
Speaker 2: on our families and a lot on us personally.

684
00:36:54,521 --> 00:36:55,481
Speaker 1: To come and do this.

685
00:36:55,641 --> 00:36:59,321
Speaker 2: So we're doing the absolute best we can to find,

686
00:36:59,601 --> 00:37:06,641
Speaker 2: you know, the answers.

687
00:37:08,601 --> 00:37:11,041
Speaker 3: So I did the research and looked at all the

688
00:37:11,081 --> 00:37:14,881
Speaker 3: coin dealers that were actually there in the nineteen nineties

689
00:37:15,401 --> 00:37:18,801
Speaker 3: into the two thousands, not brand news that had sort

690
00:37:18,801 --> 00:37:20,761
Speaker 3: of popped up because they would have no idea, like

691
00:37:20,801 --> 00:37:23,481
Speaker 3: there's absolutely no point going there. So I looked at

692
00:37:23,521 --> 00:37:26,441
Speaker 3: the ones that were historically there, and they were the

693
00:37:26,481 --> 00:37:28,001
Speaker 3: ones that I listed to go and have a look

694
00:37:28,001 --> 00:37:30,281
Speaker 3: at and go and have a chat to them. There

695
00:37:30,361 --> 00:37:33,361
Speaker 3: was three stops where I needed Saal to go. Considering

696
00:37:33,401 --> 00:37:37,201
Speaker 3: my situation, it was the good we sell Cantur.

697
00:37:37,881 --> 00:37:40,361
Speaker 2: So I wanted to do this trip with my friend

698
00:37:40,401 --> 00:37:42,801
Speaker 2: who's been helping me for five years now. We're going

699
00:37:42,881 --> 00:37:45,361
Speaker 2: to do this really thoroughly and make sure we tick

700
00:37:45,401 --> 00:37:47,681
Speaker 2: all the boxes and make sure we've done everything we can,

701
00:37:48,001 --> 00:37:50,481
Speaker 2: and then we'll have a rest before Christmas. And then

702
00:37:50,561 --> 00:37:53,561
Speaker 2: next year I'm organizing a walk, so it would be

703
00:37:53,601 --> 00:37:56,361
Speaker 2: my mum's eightieth birthday next year in October, and we're

704
00:37:56,401 --> 00:37:58,761
Speaker 2: doing a walk all around the world. Actually, I've got

705
00:37:58,761 --> 00:38:02,641
Speaker 2: people in the UK and in Seattle, in America, in

706
00:38:02,641 --> 00:38:05,641
Speaker 2: New Zealand, all over Australia. We're going to do a

707
00:38:05,681 --> 00:38:08,601
Speaker 2: walk for the Missing because it's I've got a hashtag

708
00:38:08,641 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: I use now the missing matter, and they do matter,

709
00:38:10,441 --> 00:38:11,961
Speaker 2: because a lot of people just go, oh, we'll have

710
00:38:12,001 --> 00:38:13,361
Speaker 2: a look for them for a bit and then they

711
00:38:13,441 --> 00:38:15,921
Speaker 2: just get pushed to the side and they're not important anymore.

712
00:38:16,401 --> 00:38:20,041
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to bring awareness to missing persons as well.

713
00:38:20,081 --> 00:38:22,961
Speaker 2: So and I think after the walk, I can have

714
00:38:23,041 --> 00:38:28,081
Speaker 2: a rest, you know, thank you for and hopefully you'll

715
00:38:28,161 --> 00:38:29,201
Speaker 2: find something.

716
00:38:28,841 --> 00:38:31,681
Speaker 1: Here and keep your fingers crossed for me.

717
00:38:31,721 --> 00:38:33,801
Speaker 2: I've only got today, so I've got it on a

718
00:38:33,801 --> 00:38:37,041
Speaker 2: bit of a mission, but thank you very much. What

719
00:38:37,161 --> 00:38:40,961
Speaker 2: you can do maybe is to call our headquarters because

720
00:38:41,001 --> 00:38:42,961
Speaker 2: we have more than one of the fifty stores.

721
00:38:42,641 --> 00:38:44,201
Speaker 3: Also in Belgium and Germany.

722
00:38:44,361 --> 00:38:46,401
Speaker 2: Call the headquarters in Glaswow.

723
00:38:46,641 --> 00:38:50,201
Speaker 1: Yeah they can in the total system. Okay, find his

724
00:38:50,361 --> 00:38:51,761
Speaker 1: name if they pop up.

725
00:38:51,841 --> 00:38:54,321
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, and would they be receptive for me

726
00:38:54,361 --> 00:38:59,241
Speaker 2: bringing up yes, yes, of course, Yeah, I got your card.

727
00:39:00,961 --> 00:39:03,401
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, can you call the headquarters? Hang on, I'll

728
00:39:03,401 --> 00:39:04,201
Speaker 1: write it down.

729
00:39:05,761 --> 00:39:08,841
Speaker 2: Out of all the places I went that day. He

730
00:39:09,081 --> 00:39:12,881
Speaker 2: was very engaging, he was very interested. He offered to

731
00:39:13,161 --> 00:39:17,441
Speaker 2: contact head office and see if we could get the information.

732
00:39:18,121 --> 00:39:20,361
Speaker 2: They came back to us and said, no, we can't

733
00:39:20,361 --> 00:39:23,001
Speaker 2: give it to you due to privacy. He was interested

734
00:39:23,081 --> 00:39:25,681
Speaker 2: in the case, you know. And this is me standing

735
00:39:25,721 --> 00:39:27,481
Speaker 2: there as the daughter saying that my mum is a

736
00:39:27,521 --> 00:39:31,401
Speaker 2: missing person and giving them a card showing her face,

737
00:39:31,601 --> 00:39:32,401
Speaker 2: and people are like, oh.

738
00:39:32,321 --> 00:39:34,761
Speaker 1: My god, this is your mum. Oh my goodness, like

739
00:39:35,281 --> 00:39:35,961
Speaker 1: what's happened?

740
00:39:36,081 --> 00:39:38,641
Speaker 2: And there's an interest, and sometimes you walk in and

741
00:39:38,721 --> 00:39:40,641
Speaker 2: you say it and they go, I don't know anything,

742
00:39:40,721 --> 00:39:48,881
Speaker 2: see you later. So because I'm so far away, Okay,

743
00:39:49,081 --> 00:39:52,761
Speaker 2: it's going to take me thirty eight minutes to walk

744
00:39:52,841 --> 00:39:59,121
Speaker 2: to the next one, I'm going to go straight past

745
00:39:59,201 --> 00:40:02,801
Speaker 2: Anne Frank's house. Johnny and I went there late last

746
00:40:02,921 --> 00:40:04,321
Speaker 2: night at seven.

747
00:40:04,081 --> 00:40:05,561
Speaker 1: Point o in time.

748
00:40:07,481 --> 00:40:10,841
Speaker 3: So next stop was Schmidt. So he was a dealer

749
00:40:10,961 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: from many, many years ago. So again just the same thing,

750
00:40:14,681 --> 00:40:18,001
Speaker 3: just looking to see whether he knew anything about Rick

751
00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:20,441
Speaker 3: Bloom or any of his alienses and whether he had

752
00:40:20,561 --> 00:40:24,281
Speaker 3: new dealings with him before he left.

753
00:40:24,441 --> 00:40:27,401
Speaker 1: The destination is on your left, Munton Handles c SMID.

754
00:40:29,561 --> 00:40:33,481
Speaker 2: So I'm just wondering if you happened to notice question.

755
00:40:36,481 --> 00:40:45,961
Speaker 1: So the same person, we just studied different ages. Okay,

756
00:40:46,561 --> 00:40:51,001
Speaker 1: all right, thank you for having a work regards to

757
00:40:51,441 --> 00:40:53,801
Speaker 1: my person in Australia.

758
00:40:54,041 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: And that gentleman is he has been arrested in job

759
00:40:59,761 --> 00:41:05,881
Speaker 2: and France for armed Corge line activity and a massacar

760
00:41:07,681 --> 00:41:10,441
Speaker 2: He had a look at the photograph and.

761
00:41:12,561 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't know him.

762
00:41:14,961 --> 00:41:18,961
Speaker 2: So look, I guess to knock it off. I'm going

763
00:41:19,041 --> 00:41:21,561
Speaker 2: to sit down and have a coffee in a minute and.

764
00:41:22,161 --> 00:41:27,401
Speaker 3: Send journey theo Peter's new msmatics. He again had been

765
00:41:27,441 --> 00:41:30,841
Speaker 3: around for a long time and so again just looking

766
00:41:30,881 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: to see whether he'd had any dealings, whether he knew

767
00:41:33,561 --> 00:41:37,521
Speaker 3: mister Bloom or knew anything about mister Bloom's coin dealings

768
00:41:37,681 --> 00:41:39,401
Speaker 3: or interactions in Amsterdam.

769
00:41:39,721 --> 00:41:43,041
Speaker 2: And interestingly too for me, he was on the other

770
00:41:43,161 --> 00:41:45,361
Speaker 2: side of town, so I had to walk probably the

771
00:41:45,441 --> 00:41:46,681
Speaker 2: best part of twelve k.

772
00:41:47,721 --> 00:41:53,841
Speaker 5: What did he say, Australia and I.

773
00:41:55,441 --> 00:41:58,561
Speaker 2: Think some of the corn dealers who for a while,

774
00:42:00,001 --> 00:42:03,361
Speaker 2: I guess I have a clear it's quite unusual. I

775
00:42:03,441 --> 00:42:07,681
Speaker 2: have a question as to which plan is familiar to

776
00:42:08,041 --> 00:42:10,601
Speaker 2: any of you, DA or the self.

777
00:42:10,521 --> 00:42:12,321
Speaker 4: With you much of you.

778
00:42:16,281 --> 00:42:18,681
Speaker 1: He is a man who is in Australia, who.

779
00:42:18,641 --> 00:42:28,201
Speaker 2: Build and born. Yeah he has multiple yeah, oh yeah,

780
00:42:28,361 --> 00:42:28,761
Speaker 2: that's okay.

781
00:42:28,961 --> 00:42:31,401
Speaker 3: Maybe in the world is if you've gone around.

782
00:42:31,161 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: The place and one of people, I kind of feel

783
00:42:37,481 --> 00:42:40,321
Speaker 2: weird telling people and it's about Mum.

784
00:42:41,601 --> 00:42:45,201
Speaker 1: In the worry that what if they actually do know him?

785
00:42:46,881 --> 00:42:50,361
Speaker 1: And I mean he he just sort of put his

786
00:42:50,481 --> 00:42:56,481
Speaker 1: finger to his eye like a crying kind of starting.

787
00:42:56,161 --> 00:42:59,681
Speaker 8: Route to hotel Aysteria and he seemed sad to mean

788
00:42:59,801 --> 00:43:00,961
Speaker 8: he didn't recognize him.

789
00:43:02,241 --> 00:43:05,401
Speaker 2: He was situated just across from the water and where

790
00:43:05,441 --> 00:43:07,361
Speaker 2: all the ships would come in and dock, which I

791
00:43:07,441 --> 00:43:09,721
Speaker 2: find quite interesting. And he had a massive, big window

792
00:43:10,401 --> 00:43:15,001
Speaker 2: with big coins, big lots of notes on the stamps

793
00:43:15,041 --> 00:43:17,961
Speaker 2: and things like that, really in your face what he

794
00:43:18,201 --> 00:43:22,041
Speaker 2: was about, right, And I remember walking back at that moment,

795
00:43:22,201 --> 00:43:25,081
Speaker 2: I'd been out all day. I'm saying it's probably around

796
00:43:25,201 --> 00:43:28,561
Speaker 2: I'd stopped and had some lunch, grabbed a coffee, and

797
00:43:28,681 --> 00:43:31,761
Speaker 2: then kept going. And I remember as I was walking back,

798
00:43:31,841 --> 00:43:35,121
Speaker 2: I was recording myself and my phone goes, you have

799
00:43:35,281 --> 00:43:38,881
Speaker 2: five percent battery left, and I actually started to go

800
00:43:39,881 --> 00:43:42,081
Speaker 2: I actually don't know where I am. I don't know

801
00:43:42,121 --> 00:43:45,601
Speaker 2: where the hotel is. I need my phone to get

802
00:43:45,681 --> 00:43:48,041
Speaker 2: me there through my maps. And when you're on maps,

803
00:43:48,081 --> 00:43:50,841
Speaker 2: I've learned too, it sucks the battery life out of

804
00:43:50,921 --> 00:43:53,921
Speaker 2: your phone, like no tomorrow. So I'm sitting there madly

805
00:43:54,001 --> 00:43:56,761
Speaker 2: on a piece of paper, looking at maps, trying to

806
00:43:56,801 --> 00:43:59,761
Speaker 2: describe myself which bridge I had to turn over, which

807
00:43:59,841 --> 00:44:01,481
Speaker 2: where I had, because you're literally in Amsterdam.

808
00:44:01,521 --> 00:44:02,041
Speaker 1: It's over a.

809
00:44:02,081 --> 00:44:04,081
Speaker 2: Bridge, go a little bit over another bridge, go a

810
00:44:04,121 --> 00:44:05,041
Speaker 2: little bit over another bread.

811
00:44:05,521 --> 00:44:07,841
Speaker 1: So I'm scribing myself on this little scrap piece of paper.

812
00:44:08,241 --> 00:44:10,801
Speaker 2: How I had to get home back to the hotel

813
00:44:10,921 --> 00:44:13,921
Speaker 2: to charge my phone because I actually had no battery.

814
00:44:14,521 --> 00:44:16,361
Speaker 2: But I did manage to get myself back to the hotel,

815
00:44:16,561 --> 00:44:19,921
Speaker 2: charge my phone, and then pretty much back out I went.

816
00:44:20,441 --> 00:44:22,241
Speaker 2: Had to walk all the way back down to where

817
00:44:22,281 --> 00:44:24,521
Speaker 2: i'd just come from pretty much to go and catch

818
00:44:25,081 --> 00:44:28,321
Speaker 2: people at the flea market. So their website said that

819
00:44:28,481 --> 00:44:31,041
Speaker 2: opens for six just asked the man and he said

820
00:44:31,081 --> 00:44:33,041
Speaker 2: there closing.

821
00:44:32,761 --> 00:44:33,441
Speaker 3: Now, So.

822
00:44:35,121 --> 00:44:37,921
Speaker 1: I have to go and see the deal.

823
00:44:38,081 --> 00:44:38,921
Speaker 3: Is you put my.

824
00:44:40,721 --> 00:44:42,001
Speaker 1: I'm just try and hold my phone.

825
00:44:49,081 --> 00:44:52,561
Speaker 3: I sent Sally down to the flea market because that

826
00:44:52,881 --> 00:44:54,841
Speaker 3: flea market seemed to be a bit of a theme

827
00:44:55,241 --> 00:44:59,721
Speaker 3: for mister Rick Bloom, just in Australia and also in Europe.

828
00:44:59,961 --> 00:45:03,721
Speaker 3: So if you remember Andre Flumm, so they he had

829
00:45:03,841 --> 00:45:07,081
Speaker 3: arranged to actually meet them at the flea market in

830
00:45:07,361 --> 00:45:12,521
Speaker 3: Belgium to try and offload some of Andre Flum's coin collection.

831
00:45:13,201 --> 00:45:15,361
Speaker 1: So I just thought there was a huge.

832
00:45:15,281 --> 00:45:18,761
Speaker 3: Massive flea market in Amsterdam, so I thought that may

833
00:45:18,921 --> 00:45:21,201
Speaker 3: have been where he may have been known as well.

834
00:45:21,401 --> 00:45:24,321
Speaker 3: So that's why I sent Sally down to the flea

835
00:45:24,401 --> 00:45:25,041
Speaker 3: market there.

836
00:45:24,921 --> 00:45:27,601
Speaker 2: And it was hard to It was getting late afternoon.

837
00:45:27,721 --> 00:45:30,681
Speaker 2: I remember walking over the bridge and there's a boat

838
00:45:30,761 --> 00:45:33,561
Speaker 2: going underneath me with all these women sitting there drinking,

839
00:45:33,761 --> 00:45:35,921
Speaker 2: shanned on and I was like, Wow, that looks way

840
00:45:36,041 --> 00:45:36,761
Speaker 2: more fun.

841
00:45:38,601 --> 00:45:39,521
Speaker 3: To work.

842
00:45:40,041 --> 00:45:43,641
Speaker 1: That looks like way more fun what I'm currently doing.

843
00:45:44,121 --> 00:45:49,801
Speaker 1: Hip going any coin dealers?

844
00:45:51,361 --> 00:45:53,161
Speaker 2: And a guy walks up to me and I said,

845
00:45:53,161 --> 00:45:55,281
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry to interrupt you, but I'm trying to

846
00:45:55,281 --> 00:45:56,401
Speaker 2: find the way the flea market is.

847
00:45:56,441 --> 00:45:57,921
Speaker 1: He said, it's around the very back.

848
00:45:58,041 --> 00:45:59,761
Speaker 2: So I had to walk all the way around the back,

849
00:46:00,281 --> 00:46:03,521
Speaker 2: and it was the most interesting flea market vibe i'd seen.

850
00:46:03,921 --> 00:46:06,841
Speaker 2: There was like pie and piles of clothes just on

851
00:46:07,001 --> 00:46:09,401
Speaker 2: the ground, like you would literally could jump in the

852
00:46:09,521 --> 00:46:13,081
Speaker 2: jeans for example, on the floor. And I just was

853
00:46:13,161 --> 00:46:15,361
Speaker 2: looking for a coin dealer. We knew that there had

854
00:46:15,401 --> 00:46:18,961
Speaker 2: been a coin dealer who you frequented the flea market,

855
00:46:19,521 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: and my hunt was to go and find him. Can

856
00:46:24,441 --> 00:46:27,441
Speaker 2: you tell me, please, if there's anyone around it sells coins,

857
00:46:28,121 --> 00:46:30,761
Speaker 2: coins like antique coins.

858
00:46:32,921 --> 00:46:40,601
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, Oh he didn't come today, okay, thank you.

859
00:46:41,401 --> 00:46:43,841
Speaker 1: And then he knows it sells coins, didn't come to me.

860
00:46:45,201 --> 00:46:48,801
Speaker 2: Well, they'll just be right. So I'm walking around. I

861
00:46:48,921 --> 00:46:51,801
Speaker 2: speak English, They're all speaking in native tongue.

862
00:46:52,001 --> 00:46:55,121
Speaker 1: I'm a bit lost. I walked past.

863
00:46:55,281 --> 00:47:00,681
Speaker 2: There's beanies, there's marijuana, lollipops, there's you know, it's just

864
00:47:00,841 --> 00:47:05,561
Speaker 2: a wild scene of multiple different people selling create like records,

865
00:47:05,601 --> 00:47:08,201
Speaker 2: you name it. And I just had to keep walking

866
00:47:08,241 --> 00:47:11,201
Speaker 2: around asking people, is there anyone here that sells coins?

867
00:47:11,281 --> 00:47:15,081
Speaker 2: Do you know if there's anyone here that sells coins? Oh, well,

868
00:47:15,161 --> 00:47:22,241
Speaker 2: that's disappointing. There's literally no one here. There was a

869
00:47:22,321 --> 00:47:26,041
Speaker 2: guy who does sell coins there, and as the story

870
00:47:26,161 --> 00:47:30,081
Speaker 2: goes in the saluh Laden life story, he was not

871
00:47:30,161 --> 00:47:30,721
Speaker 2: there that day.

872
00:47:30,921 --> 00:47:37,961
Speaker 1: He didn't turn up this week. Okay, well, nice cigar.

873
00:47:40,201 --> 00:47:40,841
Speaker 1: That's about it.

874
00:47:41,001 --> 00:47:41,161
Speaker 3: Now.

875
00:47:45,761 --> 00:47:50,801
Speaker 1: In the next episode of The Missing Matter, well.

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Speaker 2: The next episode we go to Brussels. We are going

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Speaker 2: to visit Glaine where she drops a bombshell. Glaine is

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Speaker 2: probably the closest to my mum in her journey with

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Speaker 2: Rick Blum or her time with Rick Blum in reverse.

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Speaker 2: What we hadn't heard before was the bombshell show. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure