1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approach production. 2 00:00:14,201 --> 00:00:17,441 Speaker 2: Mate, I've probably been waiting to talk to you just 3 00:00:17,521 --> 00:00:19,841 Speaker 2: with what has happened since I speaked you last. And 4 00:00:20,281 --> 00:00:21,921 Speaker 2: you know, I'm probably going to bat on Jay and 5 00:00:21,961 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: you're the editor, so you can edit what you want, 6 00:00:23,881 --> 00:00:26,161 Speaker 2: but I'm going to fire some things out that I've 7 00:00:26,161 --> 00:00:29,041 Speaker 2: been wanting to say. You know, Eden did not receive 8 00:00:29,081 --> 00:00:30,401 Speaker 2: an honest, dignified ending. 9 00:00:32,561 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: You can probably tell that this episode is going to 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: be a confronting listen for some people in Saint Helen's 11 00:00:38,561 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 3: and the White A Tasmanian community. It has been a 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,481 Speaker 3: while since our last update. Although you haven't heard from us, 13 00:00:45,561 --> 00:00:47,721 Speaker 3: we have been in touch with Jason and Amanda across 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,081 Speaker 3: the last few months and also some of the people 15 00:00:50,081 --> 00:00:53,321 Speaker 3: in the Shadows to see how things are progressing. In 16 00:00:53,361 --> 00:00:55,881 Speaker 3: this episode, we'll give you an update on some of 17 00:00:55,921 --> 00:01:01,281 Speaker 3: that progress. But let's start with something. Jason and Amanda 18 00:01:01,361 --> 00:01:05,601 Speaker 3: are proud of them building their first house on the 19 00:01:05,681 --> 00:01:08,801 Speaker 3: land they used to live on with Little Edie and 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,361 Speaker 3: the other kids. They lived in a shed and right 21 00:01:13,401 --> 00:01:18,241 Speaker 3: now they're about ninety five percent completed on a new house. 22 00:01:18,961 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: Jason text me some photos of the house just before 23 00:01:21,881 --> 00:01:22,761 Speaker 3: we started speaking. 24 00:01:24,401 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, look at that place the photo amazing. 25 00:01:30,041 --> 00:01:32,041 Speaker 4: Yeah, not a bad job. Pay for a pair looking. 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,521 Speaker 1: I've got a house in Brisbane. You could help me 27 00:01:34,521 --> 00:01:35,401 Speaker 1: build if you want. 28 00:01:35,761 --> 00:01:38,881 Speaker 2: We're actually, you know, as you know, I'm a landscape garden, 29 00:01:38,881 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: a labor mate. 30 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: You know, I've really got no. 31 00:01:41,241 --> 00:01:42,921 Speaker 2: Trade but a jack of all trades, if you know 32 00:01:42,961 --> 00:01:45,641 Speaker 2: what I mean. And to actually accomplish what a man 33 00:01:45,681 --> 00:01:47,601 Speaker 2: and I have done together as a couple. J You 34 00:01:47,641 --> 00:01:50,001 Speaker 2: have no idea how proud I am of us. You 35 00:01:50,041 --> 00:01:51,721 Speaker 2: know a lot of people build a house, but they 36 00:01:51,761 --> 00:01:54,281 Speaker 2: actually get you know, builders in, they get traders in, 37 00:01:54,561 --> 00:01:56,201 Speaker 2: they get all these people in the man and I 38 00:01:56,241 --> 00:01:59,001 Speaker 2: couldn't afford that, mate, you know, and we literally used 39 00:01:59,001 --> 00:02:00,841 Speaker 2: our own hands. And look at weather cheese. 40 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:02,001 Speaker 1: It is beautiful. 41 00:02:02,081 --> 00:02:05,281 Speaker 3: And having been to your property and knowing where that 42 00:02:05,441 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: sits on the pad and now a house and were 43 00:02:10,161 --> 00:02:14,161 Speaker 3: used to live which was humble, it's phenomenal, guys, it 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 3: really is it. 45 00:02:15,201 --> 00:02:18,321 Speaker 2: We stepped up a few steps and we might no. 46 00:02:18,401 --> 00:02:20,121 Speaker 1: More cooking in the caravan. 47 00:02:20,361 --> 00:02:23,041 Speaker 5: Man, Oh no, we sold the caravan because we were 48 00:02:23,081 --> 00:02:24,481 Speaker 5: just a bit short of cash. 49 00:02:25,041 --> 00:02:27,721 Speaker 2: We're working really hard to get the final touches done, mate, 50 00:02:27,761 --> 00:02:30,121 Speaker 2: and our work actually has been flat out, which has 51 00:02:30,161 --> 00:02:32,481 Speaker 2: been really helpful to finishing what we need to finish. 52 00:02:32,841 --> 00:02:35,201 Speaker 3: We've actually put one of those photos in the show 53 00:02:35,361 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: art just so people can have a look at what 54 00:02:37,361 --> 00:02:38,041 Speaker 3: the place looking. 55 00:02:38,081 --> 00:02:40,001 Speaker 2: They're happy for you to do that, mate. We're certainly 56 00:02:40,081 --> 00:02:42,281 Speaker 2: very public rainbow. 57 00:02:42,881 --> 00:02:44,601 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that one, specially in the. 58 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,161 Speaker 5: Bathroom window, because that just is you know, I was 59 00:02:47,201 --> 00:02:51,201 Speaker 5: sitting in the tub and there was two wedgetail eagles 60 00:02:51,441 --> 00:02:53,081 Speaker 5: soaring in my view. 61 00:02:53,601 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 4: And the significance of this is because we've watched these 62 00:02:56,281 --> 00:03:00,481 Speaker 4: wedgetail eagles have a number of babies over the years. 63 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,081 Speaker 4: They're resident wedge tails, and they. 64 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,361 Speaker 5: Had twins once, which is really rare. But after a 65 00:03:06,481 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 5: year they actually hunt the baby out because there's not 66 00:03:10,121 --> 00:03:12,561 Speaker 5: enough food in that vicinity. And I was watching the 67 00:03:12,601 --> 00:03:16,641 Speaker 5: mother showing the baby how to hunt. And it's obviously 68 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,801 Speaker 5: been shoot out now because it's on its own and 69 00:03:18,841 --> 00:03:23,841 Speaker 5: I've seen it. It's just so funny, how silly, you know, 70 00:03:23,921 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 5: when you've got a child and. 71 00:03:25,041 --> 00:03:27,161 Speaker 4: You're watching it grow, and it's funny and it's silly, 72 00:03:27,161 --> 00:03:28,881 Speaker 4: and it falls over and it picks itself up and 73 00:03:28,921 --> 00:03:30,641 Speaker 4: it does it again, and it jumps up and it 74 00:03:31,121 --> 00:03:32,601 Speaker 4: hops down and a quander tree and so. 75 00:03:32,561 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: On and so on. 76 00:03:33,441 --> 00:03:36,361 Speaker 4: Same with this bird. It's doing everything it's mother taught it, 77 00:03:36,441 --> 00:03:38,721 Speaker 4: but it gets a bit wobbly in the air and 78 00:03:39,481 --> 00:03:42,281 Speaker 4: it's just really beautiful. This is why we came to 79 00:03:42,321 --> 00:03:48,281 Speaker 4: Saint Helen's. The environment is breathtaking and it's still beautiful, 80 00:03:48,681 --> 00:03:49,481 Speaker 4: like a warm hug. 81 00:03:50,081 --> 00:03:53,361 Speaker 3: It's sort of not lost on me that eleven years ago, 82 00:03:53,801 --> 00:03:57,041 Speaker 3: just a couple of months back, Eden went missing and 83 00:03:57,121 --> 00:04:00,481 Speaker 3: Amanda you saying, you know, watching those wedgetail legal babies 84 00:04:00,481 --> 00:04:04,241 Speaker 3: grow up throughout that period, I saw something on socials 85 00:04:04,281 --> 00:04:07,201 Speaker 3: that you pat how was that moment? 86 00:04:08,121 --> 00:04:11,601 Speaker 4: So about eleven year anniversary of her death, as you know, 87 00:04:11,641 --> 00:04:14,641 Speaker 4: we had our cute little couple from Swansea come up 88 00:04:14,681 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: and muster. 89 00:04:16,081 --> 00:04:19,721 Speaker 5: Up a bit of publicity throughout the weeks leading up 90 00:04:19,761 --> 00:04:20,041 Speaker 5: to that. 91 00:04:21,041 --> 00:04:24,281 Speaker 4: We didn't get, obviously the response that they would have 92 00:04:24,481 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 4: liked with the effort that they put in. But we 93 00:04:26,481 --> 00:04:29,761 Speaker 4: are in Saint Helen's and we still have, you know, 94 00:04:29,921 --> 00:04:33,321 Speaker 4: the local half wits patting on that Eden killed herself 95 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,481 Speaker 4: and we're delusional. 96 00:04:36,801 --> 00:04:39,081 Speaker 3: It's really hard to fathom that some people in the 97 00:04:39,121 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: community don't believe what we've been talking about for the 98 00:04:42,361 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: last three years in this podcast. Some people believe that 99 00:04:46,361 --> 00:04:49,161 Speaker 3: Eden took our own life and that all this is 100 00:04:49,201 --> 00:04:52,121 Speaker 3: part of Jason and Amanda's drumming up support for themselves 101 00:04:52,161 --> 00:04:55,921 Speaker 3: and their family. A warning, This next part of the 102 00:04:55,921 --> 00:04:58,561 Speaker 3: podcast has some strong language, but we didn't want to 103 00:04:58,601 --> 00:05:02,281 Speaker 3: sanitize it to show after how eleven years this emotion 104 00:05:02,601 --> 00:05:04,081 Speaker 3: is still very raw. 105 00:05:05,161 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: Sneaky, and it's bloody dirty tactic. 106 00:05:07,721 --> 00:05:07,961 Speaker 1: Mate. 107 00:05:08,041 --> 00:05:10,561 Speaker 2: You know this is what said just we heard it 108 00:05:10,681 --> 00:05:14,081 Speaker 2: as we're working the other day. The Westbrook won't accept that. 109 00:05:14,041 --> 00:05:16,081 Speaker 1: Their thoughts took her own life. 110 00:05:17,001 --> 00:05:20,721 Speaker 2: They've put out a podcast which is glorified it. Fuck, Jay, 111 00:05:21,521 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: what is wrong with some people? You can't glorify our 112 00:05:25,921 --> 00:05:29,361 Speaker 2: fifty year old girl's death, A girl that was left 113 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,241 Speaker 2: hanging for hours in public viewmts that affected me, that's 114 00:05:34,281 --> 00:05:40,361 Speaker 2: affected my family, Eden's friends, and anyone that's hurt about it. 115 00:05:40,361 --> 00:05:41,641 Speaker 1: It's shameful, mate. 116 00:05:41,761 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: So all those people that are still spreading that bullshit, mate, 117 00:05:45,641 --> 00:05:48,801 Speaker 2: back off, because yeah, you're getting up my skin and 118 00:05:49,001 --> 00:05:50,921 Speaker 2: you have given me a platform to. 119 00:05:50,801 --> 00:05:52,161 Speaker 1: Share my side. 120 00:05:52,281 --> 00:05:56,041 Speaker 2: But we haven't glorified Eden's dead. You haven't glorified Eden's death. 121 00:05:56,401 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 2: We've been as factual and as truthful as we possibly can. 122 00:06:00,921 --> 00:06:03,081 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, JAF. 123 00:06:03,721 --> 00:06:05,201 Speaker 2: You know you probably don't want me to see you 124 00:06:05,241 --> 00:06:07,601 Speaker 2: heat it, but it's really pissed me off that my 125 00:06:08,121 --> 00:06:11,921 Speaker 2: daughters are suffering, my sons are suffering, and my wife's 126 00:06:11,921 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: suffering because of misinformation spread. It's hurtful, and I guess 127 00:06:15,841 --> 00:06:18,321 Speaker 2: that's what it's meant to do. You know, I don't 128 00:06:18,361 --> 00:06:20,481 Speaker 2: know why they want to continue to hurt us. 129 00:06:20,241 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 5: But Huns the same people that are saying this, Like 130 00:06:23,281 --> 00:06:26,801 Speaker 5: I said, the local halfwits, they're the same people that. 131 00:06:26,801 --> 00:06:29,281 Speaker 4: Obstructed our growth. When we arrived here, we didn't even 132 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,681 Speaker 4: know what was going on. They already had a plan. 133 00:06:32,281 --> 00:06:35,001 Speaker 5: And I now see those same groups as soon as 134 00:06:35,041 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 5: someone new comes in meet the sounds on them like 135 00:06:37,681 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 5: their fresh meat, and they manipulate them and they make. 136 00:06:41,041 --> 00:06:44,401 Speaker 4: Fools of them, and they tell them this story, and 137 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 4: then they have the audacity to wave at me or 138 00:06:47,721 --> 00:06:51,201 Speaker 4: talk to me. Now if I've ignored you or put 139 00:06:51,201 --> 00:06:55,001 Speaker 4: my hand up as a stop, that means stay the 140 00:06:55,081 --> 00:06:56,921 Speaker 4: hell away from me, because I know. 141 00:06:56,961 --> 00:06:58,601 Speaker 5: What you're up to. I knew what you were up 142 00:06:58,641 --> 00:07:03,361 Speaker 5: to years after you conducted yourself in that manner. Those 143 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,841 Speaker 5: that are supporting of us, I'm greeting you with true sincerity, 144 00:07:08,401 --> 00:07:11,161 Speaker 5: and you're getting the whole of me. The practice I've 145 00:07:11,201 --> 00:07:14,401 Speaker 5: been practicing since these people have made it so public 146 00:07:14,481 --> 00:07:17,441 Speaker 5: towards me for me to hear these things. 147 00:07:17,641 --> 00:07:23,041 Speaker 4: Is I've been practicing water in my spiritual garden. These 148 00:07:23,081 --> 00:07:27,521 Speaker 4: people take to it with a pitchfork, and I nurture it. 149 00:07:28,081 --> 00:07:32,521 Speaker 4: And how I do that is not speaking ill or 150 00:07:32,561 --> 00:07:36,281 Speaker 4: feeling ill towards even the people that are being ill 151 00:07:36,361 --> 00:07:39,401 Speaker 4: toward me. I don't have to be the nasty person 152 00:07:39,441 --> 00:07:43,961 Speaker 4: because they're being nasty to me. In fact, I laugh 153 00:07:44,041 --> 00:07:47,681 Speaker 4: in their face. Now That's how I feel, because they're 154 00:07:47,721 --> 00:07:52,881 Speaker 4: so intentionally, like Jason said, sneaky dirty, and then they 155 00:07:53,081 --> 00:07:55,921 Speaker 4: prance around as if they're good Samaritans. 156 00:07:57,001 --> 00:07:59,921 Speaker 3: I want to change tact a little here because although 157 00:07:59,921 --> 00:08:02,641 Speaker 3: you can hear the anger and disappointment from Jason and 158 00:08:02,681 --> 00:08:06,641 Speaker 3: Amanda in this episode, so what I've seen through my 159 00:08:06,721 --> 00:08:10,281 Speaker 3: friendship with them over the last three years, they are 160 00:08:10,481 --> 00:08:13,521 Speaker 3: souls of the earth, people no airs and graces. They 161 00:08:13,561 --> 00:08:17,841 Speaker 3: call a spade a shovel. They're also very supportive of 162 00:08:18,121 --> 00:08:19,281 Speaker 3: all their kids. 163 00:08:20,241 --> 00:08:23,241 Speaker 4: I just recently sent some things over to Hunter because 164 00:08:23,601 --> 00:08:26,921 Speaker 4: she bought a new house and Jack and her are 165 00:08:26,921 --> 00:08:29,841 Speaker 4: doing really really well in South I was and they 166 00:08:29,921 --> 00:08:32,161 Speaker 4: rushed us over there. This is a funny story. Actually 167 00:08:32,681 --> 00:08:35,641 Speaker 4: they're not cleaners. And as you know, I am a housekeeper. 168 00:08:35,841 --> 00:08:39,441 Speaker 4: I do housekeeping for a job and they happen to 169 00:08:39,521 --> 00:08:41,361 Speaker 4: ask me, Mum, would you be able to come and 170 00:08:41,761 --> 00:08:45,521 Speaker 4: clean our rental house so we get our full bonds back. 171 00:08:46,041 --> 00:08:47,761 Speaker 4: I said, oh, no, worries. You'll have to pay for 172 00:08:47,801 --> 00:08:49,721 Speaker 4: me to come over. She said, yeah, that goes without 173 00:08:49,761 --> 00:08:51,641 Speaker 4: saying I'll pay for you and Dad Jack and I'll 174 00:08:51,681 --> 00:08:52,001 Speaker 4: do that. 175 00:08:52,401 --> 00:08:54,721 Speaker 5: But when you get here, there's a few. 176 00:08:54,561 --> 00:08:56,841 Speaker 4: Tasks I need to accomplish in the three days that 177 00:08:56,881 --> 00:08:57,441 Speaker 4: you're here. 178 00:08:58,041 --> 00:09:01,641 Speaker 5: One build a fence. Two we need a doggie door 179 00:09:01,681 --> 00:09:06,401 Speaker 5: in the door. Three we need paving. We also have 180 00:09:06,521 --> 00:09:10,121 Speaker 5: to build an easy shed. Now can I just do 181 00:09:10,201 --> 00:09:15,001 Speaker 5: a cursor FM on the easy shed? There is nothing 182 00:09:15,041 --> 00:09:17,721 Speaker 5: easy about an easy set that's not looking at each other. 183 00:09:17,761 --> 00:09:19,761 Speaker 4: Third day in how hard. 184 00:09:19,561 --> 00:09:22,841 Speaker 2: Can we we can do this? 185 00:09:23,321 --> 00:09:26,681 Speaker 5: But it had no instructions, so it was all about logic. 186 00:09:26,961 --> 00:09:29,081 Speaker 4: We did accomplish all that we went there, except for 187 00:09:29,081 --> 00:09:31,441 Speaker 4: getting the shed erected. The sense of beautiful, the doggy 188 00:09:31,481 --> 00:09:34,561 Speaker 4: doll works. They got their full bond back. The papers 189 00:09:34,561 --> 00:09:36,881 Speaker 4: are down and the sad's laying on top of itself 190 00:09:36,921 --> 00:09:37,801 Speaker 4: waiting to be erected. 191 00:09:38,001 --> 00:09:40,081 Speaker 1: And they should have flown you over business class for 192 00:09:40,121 --> 00:09:40,441 Speaker 1: all that. 193 00:09:41,041 --> 00:09:43,241 Speaker 2: So they fly us over direct flights. But she says, 194 00:09:43,241 --> 00:09:46,041 Speaker 2: I've upgraded your seats that and we got to sit 195 00:09:46,201 --> 00:09:50,881 Speaker 2: in not business class but Economy X, which I don't 196 00:09:50,881 --> 00:09:51,561 Speaker 2: even know what that is. 197 00:09:51,561 --> 00:09:52,961 Speaker 1: It's it's extra egroom. 198 00:09:53,241 --> 00:09:55,561 Speaker 2: So we got right to remat and we're sitting in 199 00:09:55,641 --> 00:09:56,561 Speaker 2: rode three, thinking. 200 00:09:56,361 --> 00:09:56,881 Speaker 1: Oh, this is good. 201 00:09:56,881 --> 00:09:58,841 Speaker 2: We even got put on first, you know, because they 202 00:09:58,881 --> 00:10:03,961 Speaker 2: say people and vary boarders and the priority. So we 203 00:10:04,081 --> 00:10:05,881 Speaker 2: get there and we're sitting in front of the business 204 00:10:05,921 --> 00:10:08,441 Speaker 2: class two rows, and all of a sudden, they get wine, 205 00:10:08,481 --> 00:10:11,521 Speaker 2: they get whiskey, they get food, and I'm thinking, oh, 206 00:10:11,641 --> 00:10:13,841 Speaker 2: did we get that in the next week back? But 207 00:10:14,081 --> 00:10:15,401 Speaker 2: the mate, we don't get any of that. We just 208 00:10:15,401 --> 00:10:18,121 Speaker 2: got extra leg room and we've got fancy little platforms 209 00:10:18,161 --> 00:10:19,841 Speaker 2: that lay down in front of you, and we're just 210 00:10:19,921 --> 00:10:21,081 Speaker 2: like regular customers. 211 00:10:21,081 --> 00:10:26,761 Speaker 4: Mate, one seat short of using their private toilets. We 212 00:10:26,801 --> 00:10:28,441 Speaker 4: had to go all the way back if we needed 213 00:10:28,441 --> 00:10:28,761 Speaker 4: to go. 214 00:10:29,321 --> 00:10:32,161 Speaker 3: I want to ask about something that we've been waiting 215 00:10:32,161 --> 00:10:34,761 Speaker 3: on for a while, and we've spoken to him on 216 00:10:34,801 --> 00:10:37,801 Speaker 3: the podcast before, doctor Barron Collins, who is an independent 217 00:10:37,801 --> 00:10:38,761 Speaker 3: forensic expert. 218 00:10:39,561 --> 00:10:41,601 Speaker 1: Some good news in the last four. 219 00:10:41,401 --> 00:10:46,201 Speaker 3: Weeks, absolutely Jay, Jason and Amanda's new pro bono barrister, 220 00:10:46,321 --> 00:10:50,281 Speaker 3: Philip Duncase, has requested on behalf of the family new 221 00:10:50,321 --> 00:10:51,921 Speaker 3: documents from the car owner. 222 00:10:53,081 --> 00:10:53,321 Speaker 2: Now. 223 00:10:53,481 --> 00:10:55,081 Speaker 1: I won't go into complete. 224 00:10:54,641 --> 00:10:57,921 Speaker 3: Details of the documents requested, but in broad terms, they're 225 00:10:57,961 --> 00:11:00,681 Speaker 3: looking for photos and documents around the autop seat that 226 00:11:00,761 --> 00:11:03,561 Speaker 3: was originally conducted so they can pass them on to 227 00:11:03,601 --> 00:11:08,241 Speaker 3: their independent forensic expert, Dr Byron Collins. They've also asked 228 00:11:08,241 --> 00:11:11,721 Speaker 3: for other documents, one that's an interview that was conducted 229 00:11:11,721 --> 00:11:15,161 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three and a new document that Jason 230 00:11:15,201 --> 00:11:18,561 Speaker 3: and Amanda have just been made aware of. In my 231 00:11:18,641 --> 00:11:21,361 Speaker 3: chat with Jason and Amanda, there was new information that 232 00:11:21,441 --> 00:11:24,641 Speaker 3: I can't really share yet. I can't share it yet 233 00:11:24,681 --> 00:11:27,641 Speaker 3: because we don't want to do anything to jeopardize their 234 00:11:27,721 --> 00:11:31,601 Speaker 3: chances at getting the answers they so deserve. We also 235 00:11:31,681 --> 00:11:35,041 Speaker 3: understand that even if these documents are supplied, the coroner 236 00:11:35,161 --> 00:11:38,081 Speaker 3: might ask for a non publication order of any documents 237 00:11:38,121 --> 00:11:42,201 Speaker 3: that Jason and Amanda and their lawyers receive. I want 238 00:11:42,241 --> 00:11:44,641 Speaker 3: to go back quickly to Badger Betrayal if I can. 239 00:11:44,841 --> 00:11:47,121 Speaker 3: In that latest episode, Jason and Amanda, you would have 240 00:11:47,121 --> 00:11:52,401 Speaker 3: heard the police professional standards report from twenty twenty five. 241 00:11:53,041 --> 00:11:56,041 Speaker 3: Was there anything in there that raised an eyebrow for you? 242 00:11:56,561 --> 00:11:58,761 Speaker 2: Look, God, I want to speak poorly of any professional. 243 00:11:58,841 --> 00:11:59,081 Speaker 1: Jay. 244 00:11:59,161 --> 00:12:02,561 Speaker 2: I respect uniform and you know what you do in 245 00:12:02,601 --> 00:12:06,721 Speaker 2: that job. However, I haven't had that experience with the 246 00:12:06,761 --> 00:12:12,321 Speaker 2: professional standards previously. And again listening to Badger Portrayal, there's 247 00:12:12,361 --> 00:12:15,561 Speaker 2: a few things that have rung alarm bells. Going back 248 00:12:15,601 --> 00:12:20,441 Speaker 2: to Paul Reynold's senior Dirty Sergeant Paul Reynolds, when they 249 00:12:20,521 --> 00:12:23,321 Speaker 2: went to his house, I do believe that there was 250 00:12:23,361 --> 00:12:26,361 Speaker 2: a couple of times the cameras were turned off. Now, 251 00:12:26,441 --> 00:12:29,241 Speaker 2: if you're a professional standards I'm pretty sure that's not 252 00:12:29,321 --> 00:12:32,881 Speaker 2: what you do. It's all selective, mate, and I don't 253 00:12:32,961 --> 00:12:36,001 Speaker 2: like that. I don't like organizations running like that. And 254 00:12:36,241 --> 00:12:38,561 Speaker 2: it seems that there needs to be a lot of 255 00:12:38,641 --> 00:12:41,961 Speaker 2: changes happening here in Tasmania, and you're bringing a spotlight 256 00:12:42,001 --> 00:12:45,001 Speaker 2: on that, Jay, and good luck because it's needed, it's 257 00:12:45,321 --> 00:12:49,001 Speaker 2: long overdue. And this is a great state with great 258 00:12:49,001 --> 00:12:51,441 Speaker 2: people in it. We're not all that well educated, mate, 259 00:12:51,481 --> 00:12:53,561 Speaker 2: and we're not all put ourselves on platforms that we 260 00:12:53,601 --> 00:12:56,761 Speaker 2: can make big decisions. But those that have aren't making 261 00:12:56,801 --> 00:12:59,521 Speaker 2: good decisions, mate, And it's us little people that have 262 00:12:59,561 --> 00:13:02,321 Speaker 2: got to stand up and get our voices heard and change. 263 00:13:02,681 --> 00:13:04,921 Speaker 2: And you know, with what you're doing with that podcast, 264 00:13:05,241 --> 00:13:07,001 Speaker 2: You've got a lot of talk happen in this state 265 00:13:07,241 --> 00:13:08,201 Speaker 2: and it's all for the good. 266 00:13:08,961 --> 00:13:10,881 Speaker 3: For a while, I started to believe that the community 267 00:13:10,881 --> 00:13:14,241 Speaker 3: of Saint Helen's was completely behind Jason and Amanda and 268 00:13:14,281 --> 00:13:17,641 Speaker 3: their fight for the truth. But it seems not everyone 269 00:13:17,721 --> 00:13:19,721 Speaker 3: in the community are trying to help them. 270 00:13:20,321 --> 00:13:23,241 Speaker 4: And thanks for the rats too the last week or two. 271 00:13:24,241 --> 00:13:28,241 Speaker 5: Rats are quite clean, they're very intelligent. I've had one 272 00:13:28,281 --> 00:13:32,921 Speaker 5: at work and one at my home. It's surprisingly arrived. 273 00:13:33,241 --> 00:13:36,481 Speaker 3: Amanda, can I ask the rats? Are you saying that 274 00:13:36,721 --> 00:13:39,241 Speaker 3: you think someone's putting them there on purpose? 275 00:13:40,641 --> 00:13:40,961 Speaker 2: Well? 276 00:13:41,001 --> 00:13:43,601 Speaker 4: I don't want to be paranoid, but they just appeared. 277 00:13:44,201 --> 00:13:45,841 Speaker 4: And we've got a pretty. 278 00:13:46,201 --> 00:13:49,161 Speaker 5: Clean environment and an environment where. 279 00:13:48,961 --> 00:13:51,841 Speaker 4: We've got a lot of birds that take anything moving. 280 00:13:52,241 --> 00:13:55,161 Speaker 4: Bunny's included and yeah our. 281 00:13:55,121 --> 00:14:00,521 Speaker 2: Dogs, what's your own intentionally or coincidentally? And yeah, I 282 00:14:00,601 --> 00:14:02,881 Speaker 2: don't like being paran or jay, I like to stick 283 00:14:02,921 --> 00:14:05,601 Speaker 2: the back. But on the same week we had a 284 00:14:05,721 --> 00:14:08,761 Speaker 2: dead rat put in our driveway and just even where 285 00:14:08,801 --> 00:14:11,201 Speaker 2: it was put was like thrown over the fence. And 286 00:14:11,601 --> 00:14:14,241 Speaker 2: then at one of our work locations there was the 287 00:14:14,281 --> 00:14:16,681 Speaker 2: same scenario, a same situation. 288 00:14:17,201 --> 00:14:19,681 Speaker 4: The police station was opened. 289 00:14:21,121 --> 00:14:22,201 Speaker 1: And then there's. 290 00:14:22,121 --> 00:14:25,881 Speaker 3: News from TASPOL about a new facility in Saint Helen's. 291 00:14:26,961 --> 00:14:29,721 Speaker 3: Is an excerpt from the press release that was released 292 00:14:30,241 --> 00:14:33,161 Speaker 3: on the eighteenth of February twenty twenty six. 293 00:14:35,481 --> 00:14:38,361 Speaker 6: A multimillion dollar project for a new police station at 294 00:14:38,401 --> 00:14:41,761 Speaker 6: Saint Helen's is complete, with the fit for purpose facility 295 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:45,961 Speaker 6: providing improvements that benefit policing on Tasmania's East Coast now 296 00:14:46,321 --> 00:14:50,761 Speaker 6: and into the future. Tasmania Police Commissioner Donna Adams, Deputy 297 00:14:50,761 --> 00:14:55,441 Speaker 6: Commissioner Jonathan Higgins, Northern District Commander Marco Gadini, and Saint 298 00:14:55,481 --> 00:14:59,521 Speaker 6: Helen's Police Inspector Luke Manhood today inspected the new seven 299 00:14:59,561 --> 00:15:03,041 Speaker 6: point five million dollar St Helen's Police station at Annie Street. 300 00:15:04,641 --> 00:15:06,681 Speaker 3: The fact this new police station was built in Saint 301 00:15:06,721 --> 00:15:09,841 Speaker 3: Helen's is not a concern, but the day it was 302 00:15:09,961 --> 00:15:13,601 Speaker 3: launched and open to the public felt a best, a 303 00:15:13,641 --> 00:15:18,641 Speaker 3: little off. It was on the day, eleven years previously 304 00:15:18,961 --> 00:15:21,841 Speaker 3: that Eden was found in the park next to the 305 00:15:22,081 --> 00:15:26,321 Speaker 3: old police station. It was also the day that Jason 306 00:15:26,401 --> 00:15:29,561 Speaker 3: and Amanda and a small gathering joined in the park 307 00:15:30,001 --> 00:15:33,561 Speaker 3: as part of a ceremony to commemorate Eden's death. 308 00:15:34,761 --> 00:15:37,681 Speaker 4: John, I didn't even come and say hello, right, and 309 00:15:37,921 --> 00:15:39,801 Speaker 4: they're here on the death of our. 310 00:15:39,801 --> 00:15:43,521 Speaker 5: Daughters anniversary opening up a new cop shop which costs 311 00:15:43,721 --> 00:15:46,441 Speaker 5: seven million dollars, didn't it. We've got a seventeen man 312 00:15:46,521 --> 00:15:50,281 Speaker 5: police station in Sane Allen's with a municipal population of 313 00:15:50,921 --> 00:15:52,481 Speaker 5: just probably over six thousand people. 314 00:15:53,801 --> 00:15:56,561 Speaker 2: I actually found that they must they fond of bus 315 00:15:56,681 --> 00:15:59,121 Speaker 2: as we're fond of them. Day to celebrate the opening 316 00:15:59,161 --> 00:16:01,281 Speaker 2: of the Saint Helen's new police station on the eighteenth 317 00:16:01,321 --> 00:16:04,681 Speaker 2: of February twenty twenty sixth Eedens eleventh anniversary of her death, 318 00:16:05,081 --> 00:16:07,321 Speaker 2: we got something together. You know, be mindful it was 319 00:16:07,361 --> 00:16:10,361 Speaker 2: an Oman's police that investigated Eden's death and they fucked 320 00:16:10,361 --> 00:16:12,921 Speaker 2: it up. So we can celebrate that day as a 321 00:16:13,001 --> 00:16:15,281 Speaker 2: new police station and the death of Eden together. And 322 00:16:15,561 --> 00:16:17,841 Speaker 2: you know there is good police in this town. I've 323 00:16:17,881 --> 00:16:20,241 Speaker 2: met them. Even on the day of Edens. When we're 324 00:16:20,281 --> 00:16:23,201 Speaker 2: down the park, two police officers pulled up. Shane went 325 00:16:23,281 --> 00:16:26,801 Speaker 2: over there, introduced himself, told him what we're doing, invited 326 00:16:26,841 --> 00:16:29,681 Speaker 2: them over. They both refused. He said, oh yeah, have 327 00:16:29,721 --> 00:16:31,521 Speaker 2: you been told by high command that you're not allowed 328 00:16:31,561 --> 00:16:34,281 Speaker 2: to speak to us? And they said no, not at all. 329 00:16:35,561 --> 00:16:42,841 Speaker 2: We will always be angry and frustrated and disappointed and dissatisfied. 330 00:16:43,321 --> 00:16:46,361 Speaker 2: But that doesn't answer the questions of the botched investigation 331 00:16:46,481 --> 00:16:48,841 Speaker 2: from the get game. That doesn't answer the questions of 332 00:16:48,921 --> 00:16:50,201 Speaker 2: the day to death wrong it. You know, I don't 333 00:16:50,201 --> 00:16:52,801 Speaker 2: want to repeat myself, but that doesn't cover it. 334 00:16:52,921 --> 00:16:53,161 Speaker 1: Mate. 335 00:16:53,641 --> 00:16:56,441 Speaker 2: It wouldn't matter who you were, any parent that had 336 00:16:56,521 --> 00:16:59,121 Speaker 2: to go through their child been left out on a 337 00:16:59,161 --> 00:17:03,321 Speaker 2: public display hanging from a tree with hundreds of people 338 00:17:03,881 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: viewing her. Mate, you know that I'm not making these 339 00:17:06,241 --> 00:17:10,321 Speaker 2: numbers up. Hundreds of cars, trucks, commuters drove past this 340 00:17:10,481 --> 00:17:14,561 Speaker 2: young girl and saw hanging in the tree. That chokes 341 00:17:14,681 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: me up even talking about it eleven years later. The 342 00:17:18,801 --> 00:17:21,681 Speaker 2: amount of times I sat in a clinical psychologist's chair 343 00:17:22,241 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 2: and cried about that day and what I saw and 344 00:17:27,201 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: I'm a dad. You know, people that are gaslighting me 345 00:17:30,921 --> 00:17:32,681 Speaker 2: for trying to get to the truth of my daughter. 346 00:17:33,041 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 2: How about go and get fuck sound? And you know what, 347 00:17:36,041 --> 00:17:38,761 Speaker 2: I don't swear too much, only when it's necessary. No, 348 00:17:39,561 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: And if these people have got such a fucking problem 349 00:17:41,961 --> 00:17:45,201 Speaker 2: with me, Ja, come to Jason's face me and say 350 00:17:45,241 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: it to me. But they won't. They're cowards. They speak 351 00:17:48,481 --> 00:17:52,281 Speaker 2: behind keyboards, they speak behind their desk, and they bs 352 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:55,121 Speaker 2: one another and they commend one another, give each other 353 00:17:55,321 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 2: fucking awards and say they're good people. That don't make 354 00:17:58,801 --> 00:18:04,201 Speaker 2: you a good person in my eyes. Jay, quickly, Jay, 355 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,521 Speaker 2: there's good police out there. You've met them as well. 356 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: And there's good Tasmanian police out there recently on one 357 00:18:10,761 --> 00:18:13,361 Speaker 2: of the episodes going back a few with Badger portrayal, 358 00:18:13,961 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: there is good sides to this badge. There's people are 359 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:17,761 Speaker 2: going there for the right reason. 360 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,961 Speaker 5: They're getting smashed in their own often. 361 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,281 Speaker 2: Well I think they're getting stronger. Well now, yeah, I 362 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: actually think you've given Yeah. 363 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,841 Speaker 5: They've got Jackie Lamby backing them, They've got Jay backing them. 364 00:18:29,321 --> 00:18:31,721 Speaker 2: How do you feel, Jay? You know, and this is 365 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: just as a question to you, mate, you know, how 366 00:18:34,241 --> 00:18:36,561 Speaker 2: do you feel about what you've been able to achieve 367 00:18:36,681 --> 00:18:38,961 Speaker 2: and the results you're achieving. 368 00:18:38,761 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: With that exactly? 369 00:18:39,961 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: Are you thinking, yeah, how do you feel? 370 00:18:41,681 --> 00:18:41,921 Speaker 1: Mate? 371 00:18:41,961 --> 00:18:42,961 Speaker 2: You know you must be pretty? 372 00:18:43,481 --> 00:18:45,761 Speaker 5: Do you feel any threats or are you worried about 373 00:18:45,801 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 5: yourself with what you've been disclosing. 374 00:18:48,041 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: I'm not worried. What worries me though, is the stone 375 00:18:51,521 --> 00:18:54,761 Speaker 3: walling or the or the brick walls. We keep getting 376 00:18:55,681 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 3: where information exists, but it's hidden under the right to 377 00:18:59,561 --> 00:19:03,121 Speaker 3: information legislation, which means that if it's with the Currenter Court, 378 00:19:03,241 --> 00:19:06,281 Speaker 3: then the Curenter needs to release it. We're talking about 379 00:19:06,281 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: a pedophile, a man who is known to have abused over. 380 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: Fifty six young men, so disgusting like that. 381 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 3: In itself, No stones should be left unturned until we 382 00:19:20,481 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 3: find the answer. And if we have to ask questions 383 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,561 Speaker 3: that are uncomfortable for people, then so be it. 384 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,201 Speaker 2: Now you're doing service to the state exposing dirty animals 385 00:19:33,281 --> 00:19:34,801 Speaker 2: for what they are and what they've been. 386 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:35,961 Speaker 1: You know that takes guts. 387 00:19:36,041 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 3: Jay, If you haven't yet heard our new podcast about 388 00:19:39,201 --> 00:19:43,801 Speaker 3: disgraced pedophile Paul Reynolds and our investigation into what we 389 00:19:44,001 --> 00:19:49,321 Speaker 3: believe is wider systemic issues inside Tasmania Police. You can 390 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 3: follow the show on your favorite podcast app. It's called 391 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 3: Badge of Betrayal and there's a link to it in 392 00:19:55,721 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 3: the show notes. 393 00:19:57,721 --> 00:20:00,201 Speaker 4: You know, for years, if anybody ever asked, I mean, 394 00:20:00,241 --> 00:20:02,881 Speaker 4: if you ever asked anybody, I was never having children 395 00:20:02,921 --> 00:20:06,041 Speaker 4: because I've seen things that I just did not think, Wow, 396 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: is that what it looks like? Well, I'm not having 397 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,801 Speaker 4: I'm not bringing no innocent bodies into this world. However, 398 00:20:10,921 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 4: Jason did convince me that we were strong enough and 399 00:20:14,001 --> 00:20:17,561 Speaker 4: powerful enough within amongst each other to protect our babies. 400 00:20:17,801 --> 00:20:20,401 Speaker 4: However many we decided to have, and we did decide 401 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,281 Speaker 4: together we would have a large family. And that family 402 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 4: it meant so much to me to build because it 403 00:20:30,441 --> 00:20:33,001 Speaker 4: didn't look like that when I was growing up. I 404 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:38,561 Speaker 4: looked at my grandparents and they had the family unit. 405 00:20:39,681 --> 00:20:44,281 Speaker 4: So the idea of our family came from what we 406 00:20:44,441 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 4: expected as children and what we've seen as we were 407 00:20:47,681 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 4: raised and we raised our children. We didn't just drag 408 00:20:52,961 --> 00:20:53,321 Speaker 4: them up. 409 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: Or you know, I feel a man is trying to 410 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,561 Speaker 2: justify a comment that was made that you know, there 411 00:20:58,681 --> 00:21:01,161 Speaker 2: was a policeman's wife that was at the scene apparently 412 00:21:01,241 --> 00:21:04,721 Speaker 2: of Eden's death, that has now stated publicly that she 413 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,201 Speaker 2: was there when Eden was found, she was there when 414 00:21:08,241 --> 00:21:12,241 Speaker 2: the mother arrived, and it's all inside the family. It's 415 00:21:12,441 --> 00:21:15,561 Speaker 2: their fault basically, why Eden was there hung in. 416 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,561 Speaker 1: The street that day. 417 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 5: Some people have said the most terriblest things about me, 418 00:21:20,481 --> 00:21:22,041 Speaker 5: and this is what our community. 419 00:21:21,681 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 4: Has made up. 420 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, as you see, Amanda's frustrated. But as her 421 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,721 Speaker 2: husband thirty five years with Amanda now Jay or thirty seven, 422 00:21:29,801 --> 00:21:31,801 Speaker 2: what it's been a long time. I'll Bobby Leaves thirty 423 00:21:31,801 --> 00:21:34,961 Speaker 2: three to thirty four. I can assure anybody that doubts 424 00:21:35,201 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 2: what we are as a mum and dad that Amanda's 425 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:38,401 Speaker 2: a bloody great mum. 426 00:21:38,481 --> 00:21:38,681 Speaker 1: Mate. 427 00:21:38,721 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: What she's done as a mother is incredible, and I 428 00:21:41,321 --> 00:21:43,321 Speaker 2: do my best as a dad. I'm not saying I'm perfect. 429 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,521 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I haven't made mistakes, but what I 430 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 2: do do is learn from my mistakes and I try 431 00:21:47,921 --> 00:21:50,321 Speaker 2: and be a better person each day. And fifty six 432 00:21:50,441 --> 00:21:52,321 Speaker 2: years old now, mate, I've learned a lot and I'm 433 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,241 Speaker 2: a decent dad. And it's offensive that people want to 434 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:59,241 Speaker 2: blame Eden's death on her family. That's sickening. Mate, you know, 435 00:21:59,441 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: and it's hurt Amanda and you've just heard her frustration 436 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:06,561 Speaker 2: and that woman who's a policeman his wife. You're not 437 00:22:06,721 --> 00:22:10,761 Speaker 2: in any records, there's no statement from you. So how 438 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,041 Speaker 2: you can publicly put on a website post that you 439 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: were there when Eden was found? 440 00:22:17,801 --> 00:22:19,041 Speaker 1: You were there when the. 441 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 2: Mother arrived and you're a policeman's wife. Why were you 442 00:22:23,481 --> 00:22:27,041 Speaker 2: there when Eden was found? Why were you there when 443 00:22:27,281 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 2: Eden's mum arrived? And what gives you the audacity to 444 00:22:32,321 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: write that misinformation on a site to confuse people? Now, 445 00:22:37,041 --> 00:22:39,241 Speaker 2: when we got that, we wrote to that person meetly. 446 00:22:39,241 --> 00:22:41,481 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure we wrote to you t and we 447 00:22:41,561 --> 00:22:44,561 Speaker 2: said we need to talk. She hasn't gotten back to us. 448 00:22:45,521 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: I think it was deleted by her. Yeah, yeah, because 449 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: I said I want. 450 00:22:50,481 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 4: To talk to us. 451 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:57,041 Speaker 2: Fuck sake. Days they're saying that we're building our house 452 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:01,801 Speaker 2: off Eden's story. That is so and frustrating for me 453 00:23:02,241 --> 00:23:06,201 Speaker 2: because everything has been planned. All this house was built 454 00:23:06,201 --> 00:23:08,201 Speaker 2: out about hard earned wages. 455 00:23:08,281 --> 00:23:08,561 Speaker 1: Mate. 456 00:23:08,801 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 2: You know that everyone that knows me knows that, and 457 00:23:11,761 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: we've been so frugal with our money to get it built. 458 00:23:14,321 --> 00:23:16,321 Speaker 2: For someone to say that we were gifted it or 459 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 2: we've got it out of the death of Eden. 460 00:23:18,441 --> 00:23:18,721 Speaker 1: Mate. 461 00:23:18,921 --> 00:23:23,201 Speaker 2: Oh that does burn me up, mate, because I've got 462 00:23:23,201 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 2: Amanda right every day, working seven days a week and 463 00:23:27,001 --> 00:23:30,321 Speaker 2: I'm trying to keep up with her eight hours a fortnight. Yeah, 464 00:23:30,521 --> 00:23:34,481 Speaker 2: and it's just insane, you day. You can't build a 465 00:23:34,561 --> 00:23:36,721 Speaker 2: house like that. Cut and grass was what was said. 466 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:37,321 Speaker 4: Now. 467 00:23:37,481 --> 00:23:39,441 Speaker 2: I don't know how stupid some people are and whether 468 00:23:39,481 --> 00:23:42,041 Speaker 2: they got support at school, at Kellogg's or or at 469 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,481 Speaker 2: a Cornflake's pallor but there's a lot of money in 470 00:23:45,561 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: cutt and grass. There's a lot of money in maintenance, 471 00:23:47,481 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of money in looking after people's property, 472 00:23:49,481 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: especially if you're good at it. And as you've been 473 00:23:51,681 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: on my property, Jay, it's immaculate, you know. If we're 474 00:23:53,921 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: landscape gardens. 475 00:23:55,001 --> 00:23:55,801 Speaker 1: I've been really. 476 00:23:55,681 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 4: Detailed with my landscaping. 477 00:23:56,921 --> 00:23:57,521 Speaker 1: It's beautiful. 478 00:23:58,041 --> 00:24:01,321 Speaker 2: Now there's money in that. And if you're smart with 479 00:24:01,441 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: money and you live in a shed to ten or 480 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: twelve fifteen years, you learn how to say, if you 481 00:24:05,561 --> 00:24:08,241 Speaker 2: learn a lot of things about life. And Amanda's this 482 00:24:08,441 --> 00:24:11,881 Speaker 2: house it come off savings, wages and hard fucking work, mate, 483 00:24:12,241 --> 00:24:15,121 Speaker 2: So fuck those people that are trying to spread that misinformation. 484 00:24:15,521 --> 00:24:20,281 Speaker 2: It's not true, and you have offended me, and hiding 485 00:24:20,321 --> 00:24:24,041 Speaker 2: behind the keyboard is gutless in saying that. 486 00:24:24,201 --> 00:24:24,401 Speaker 1: Jay. 487 00:24:24,561 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: And if there's people who have listened to your podcasts 488 00:24:27,481 --> 00:24:31,041 Speaker 2: and have felt compelled to visit themes, memorial hearings and 489 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:34,121 Speaker 2: Helen's in the main street are beautiful rows, feel free 490 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:34,521 Speaker 2: to say it. 491 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 5: Ay. 492 00:24:34,921 --> 00:24:37,521 Speaker 2: If you see us people, you know we're recognized now, 493 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,321 Speaker 2: we've told our story. It's been shared with millions of people. 494 00:24:40,681 --> 00:24:44,161 Speaker 2: We're not ashamed. We're very open people. Most days I've 495 00:24:44,201 --> 00:24:46,721 Speaker 2: got a smile on my face. You don't feel you 496 00:24:46,801 --> 00:24:49,761 Speaker 2: can't approach us. We're happy to speak to anybody that's 497 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: interested in this story, and we're happy to say good a. 498 00:24:52,801 --> 00:24:56,001 Speaker 2: We have met you know, twenty thirty people that have 499 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,801 Speaker 2: listened to your podcasts, that are in a state, that 500 00:24:57,921 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 2: have tabled than Helen's, that have. 501 00:24:59,400 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: Made their way. 502 00:24:59,961 --> 00:25:01,601 Speaker 2: So yeah, I just wanted to say. 503 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,921 Speaker 4: We're okay with that day. 504 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,281 Speaker 2: You know, we wouldn't have shared this publicly if we 505 00:25:05,321 --> 00:25:06,001 Speaker 2: couldn't handle that. 506 00:25:06,321 --> 00:25:08,921 Speaker 4: We get warm feelings when we know that you've made 507 00:25:08,961 --> 00:25:10,721 Speaker 4: an effort to come and have a look at and 508 00:25:10,801 --> 00:25:15,361 Speaker 4: then you get the surreal feeling of exactly the scope 509 00:25:15,481 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 4: of where she was