Speaker 1: On Scolus Australia.
Speaker 2: This is the Winner Panalty Show.
Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the RITA Panicky show coming
Speaker 3: up tonight.
Speaker 4: Hundreds of Palestinians.
Speaker 3: Successfully claim asylum in Australia. I'll speak to Gary Hartgrave
Speaker 3: about that and more. The Great Michael Schellenberger will be
Speaker 3: here to discuss a genuine scandal involving the FBI and
Speaker 3: election interference, one that makes Watergate look like a Teddy
Speaker 3: Bear's picnic.
Speaker 4: You won't want to miss that. And later in the.
Speaker 3: Hour, I speak to an inspirational woman who is sick
Speaker 3: and tired of white leftist activists and their actronizing treatment
Speaker 3: of black folk and left is losing. It features Kamala.
Speaker 4: Harris trialing yet another accent.
Speaker 5: You better thank a union member for sick leave. You
Speaker 5: better thank a union member for paid leave. You better
Speaker 5: thank a union member for vacation time.
Speaker 3: Joining me now is Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave.
Speaker 4: Gary.
Speaker 3: The Victorian government is spending one point seven billion with
Speaker 3: a B billion dollars on a new public park in
Speaker 3: Melbourne's South Bank, lark Boon Dap, as the park will
Speaker 3: be called, will surround the Arts Center precinc.
Speaker 4: The plans were announced yesterday.
Speaker 3: With work for the urban garden to start in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six.
Speaker 4: Gary.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love gardens as much as the next girl,
Speaker 3: but this date is in ruinous debt. How exactly are
Speaker 3: we funding this park where we can't even pay for
Speaker 3: enough nurses and paramedics.
Speaker 1: And I understand that Victoria has got the highest level
Speaker 1: of debt of any Australian state, then Queensland's got highest
Speaker 1: per cabin of it. Victoria's got the highest real debt.
Speaker 1: And if this is the priority there, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: like you. I like gardens, but I would have thought Rita,
Speaker 1: that the whole sort of indigenous theme is all well
Speaker 1: and good and fine, but one point seven billion is
Speaker 1: this the real priority? And besides, given about fifty six
Speaker 1: percent of Australia is owned by indigenous corporations, why don't
Speaker 1: they actually pay for it? Why don't we get the
Speaker 1: private sector to pay for it? Why don't we get
Speaker 1: somebody who's really interested in this to pay for it?
Speaker 1: I just think the pooroal tax payer, Well, they're leaving.
Speaker 1: The Victoria is the place to flee. That's what the
Speaker 1: number plate is going to be changed the place to flee,
Speaker 1: and this is another reason for it. Look again, I
Speaker 1: get it, it's going to beautiful, it looks really nice.
Speaker 1: But at this time is this the priority? Well, this
Speaker 1: is the left, This is the left. They just want
Speaker 1: a virtue signal with your money. That's what they're doing
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Yep, just announcing more massive projects and one point seven
Speaker 3: billion is what they're planning for it to cost, which
Speaker 3: in this state needs will probably cost worth to five billion,
Speaker 3: because that's how things normally go.
Speaker 4: I wish I was joking. I wish I was joking.
Speaker 3: Now more than three hundred Palestinians have I'm not joking. No, no, no, Now,
Speaker 3: we've had more than three hundred Palestinians successfully claim asylum
Speaker 3: in Australia in a two month period. The asylum seeker
Speaker 3: process can sometimes drag on for many years to reach
Speaker 3: its legal conclusion, but many of these applications were approved
Speaker 3: in quick fashion. At least seven hundred and forty nine
Speaker 3: Palestinians have applied for protection visas since October seven Gary.
Speaker 4: This is interesting.
Speaker 3: Australia has been almost alone in the developed world in
Speaker 3: the Western world in granting visas to Palestinians from Gaza
Speaker 3: and the West Bank, and the numbers we've granted around
Speaker 3: three thousand again set us apart from most other countries.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we're insane. We are miles in front of
Speaker 1: anybody else. No other country in the region wants to
Speaker 1: go any win in them. I've just got off the
Speaker 1: plane this morning from Jakarta, Indonesia, the biggest populated Muslim
Speaker 1: country in the world, two hundred eighty million people, about
Speaker 1: eleven million in the city of Jakarta alone. You know,
Speaker 1: I saw one Palestinian flag in a week. That's it
Speaker 1: on the back of a bloke driving a rickety old
Speaker 1: truck around yesterday and that was the only time I
Speaker 1: saw anything like this. So if the biggest Muslim country
Speaker 1: in the world and Indonesia's kind of got its act
Speaker 1: really together, it's going to be a very wealthy country.
Speaker 1: If they're not actually taking big numbers out out of Palestine.
Speaker 6: You know that there is a real problem attached to it.
Speaker 1: And look, I get why people would like to leave
Speaker 1: the area. But what I don't get is why Australia
Speaker 1: says it'll be us, just us. Really, Australia is dumbing
Speaker 1: itself down and destroying the values that have built this
Speaker 1: country right before our very eyes. And and then the Albaneze.
Speaker 1: He's worried politically about what's going to happen in Western
Speaker 1: Sydney seats. Well, they're not going to necessarily back in
Speaker 1: for this. We are insane. We've got to put a
Speaker 1: line under this. I cannot be satisfied that we are
Speaker 1: getting the right people coming here.
Speaker 3: We've got to just be very selective. Whether you believe
Speaker 3: in big Australia, Little Australia, big migration numbers, smaller migration numbers.
Speaker 4: We need to have people here who.
Speaker 3: Respect Australian values, can assimilate successfully and contribute to the country.
Speaker 3: Those migrants love this country and then make a great contribution.
Speaker 3: But you don't want to bring people here who don't
Speaker 3: share our values and who are never going to see
Speaker 3: themselves as Australian. And you just hope whatever checks they're
Speaker 3: running are thorough. That's all I can say about that,
Speaker 3: Ona Hamas their level of evil no bounds. They're taunting
Speaker 3: the families of the six hostages they murdered, posting photos
Speaker 3: of their loved ones are looking gaunt and exhausted, and
Speaker 3: threatening to release their last words, before they were executed.
Speaker 3: Israeli forces believe the hostages were shot at close range
Speaker 3: multiple times before their bodies were discovered in tunnels under Rafa,
Speaker 3: And it seems gary that they were kept alive all
Speaker 3: these months, but when the IDEF was approaching and it
Speaker 3: looked like they could.
Speaker 4: Be rescued, they were shot dead.
Speaker 3: I cannot fathom how the families are coping with that knowledge.
Speaker 1: No, and the whole thing just turns any decent person's stomach.
Speaker 1: So there's the question. Rider they are not displaying her
Speaker 1: master's an organization is not displaying any values of decency. Frankly,
Speaker 1: they are running contrary to the teachings of Islam with
Speaker 1: the way in which they are so flagrantly trying to
Speaker 1: cause so much distress, heartbreak, and of course murder people.
Speaker 1: I mean, I am. I've got a lot of Muslim friends, Rita.
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of friends from all religions, from
Speaker 1: all parts of the world. I've been a minister for multiculturalism.
Speaker 1: I believe strongly in though the thing that brings us together,
Speaker 1: not the stuff that tears is apart. These people are
Speaker 1: on the tear you apart agenda, and I just think
Speaker 1: we've got to run an even finer com over what
Speaker 1: it is that we've got coming through the door, because
Speaker 1: I am I'm terrified with what we're actually doing of
Speaker 1: ourselves right now. There rotten lazy government. And look back
Speaker 1: to Indonesia. Hundreds of people would like to study in Australia.
Speaker 1: They can't get visas. The first thing that was told
Speaker 1: to me was you can't get a visa to get
Speaker 1: to Australia. So you got Laura Biden, decent people come,
Speaker 1: You can't get a visa. These people, these people get
Speaker 1: a visa. So you know, there is something really wrong
Speaker 1: in the Immigration Department, the department that I used to
Speaker 1: be a minister of. I'm really sad about it.
Speaker 3: Now before you go, don't have long, just a twenty
Speaker 3: second answer. Tell me about what's happening with the election
Speaker 3: Queensland election. We're hearing labors facing defeat. Some say annihilation.
Speaker 3: Is there anything seven miles can.
Speaker 4: Do to turn it all around?
Speaker 1: No, that's it.
Speaker 6: I don't think people want him gone.
Speaker 4: They did take twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: Gone, that's the end of the answer. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: they just want him gone. And of course the mob
Speaker 1: that replaced him of got on. Now justify people's vote,
Speaker 1: as they'll get rid of them again in four years time.
Speaker 1: It's happened before Riatas, so now they want miles gone,
Speaker 1: and by one hundred miles, I say.
Speaker 3: And I wonder how much of that loss, if it happens,
Speaker 3: is going to be blamed on Albo because he also
Speaker 3: seems to be a little.
Speaker 4: Bit on the nose. Gary Hartgreag, thank you so much
Speaker 4: for your time.
Speaker 6: Chase's a lot cheers.
Speaker 3: Joining me now is host of the US Report and
Speaker 3: co host of the top rating program on all of
Speaker 3: Sky News Outsiders. James Morrow, Welcome back to the program.
Speaker 3: Let's start with the Secret Service. They've entered their investigation
Speaker 3: into cocaine that was found in the White House last year,
Speaker 3: with no suspect identified as spokesperson told The New York
Speaker 3: Post that the cocaine was disposed of in accordance with
Speaker 3: retention policies, but a trio of sources told Real Clear
Speaker 3: Politics that President Biden's then Secret Service director, Kimberly Cheatle,
Speaker 3: wanted to destroy the cocaine, but faced opposition. Apparently DNA
Speaker 3: had been recovered from the half used dime bag. One
Speaker 3: of the sources said the protocol is whether you act
Speaker 3: on the DNA hit or not, we still have to
Speaker 3: maintain evidence for a period of up to seven years.
Speaker 4: It's become a big to do.
Speaker 3: A decision was made not to get rid of the evidence,
Speaker 3: and it really peed off cheatle Now commentator Dan Bongino,
Speaker 3: who used to be a Secret Service officer, from what
Speaker 3: I understand, says there's a lot more to this story.
Speaker 7: Here's what I'm hearing from whistleblowers that they are suspicious
Speaker 7: that the partial DNA hit could match a member of
Speaker 7: the inner Biden circle.
Speaker 3: James, do you think the wide house was panicking about
Speaker 3: who this DNA match could be? A few obvious suspects
Speaker 3: come immediately to mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Rita. I mean, it's not like
Speaker 2: there's anybody in the Biden family who's got a pretty
Speaker 2: long and public history of not only drug abuse but
Speaker 2: really flagrantly bad behavior, into which you know, maybe bringing
Speaker 2: cocaine to the White House might fit that pattern, but
Speaker 2: you know, I'll leave that to viewers to decide who
Speaker 2: that might be. To me, the really interesting thing here, though,
Speaker 2: is what the Secret Service has been up to in
Speaker 2: all of this, Because remember Kimberly Cheadle. She was the
Speaker 2: director of the Secret Service who was finally forced to
Speaker 2: resign after that horrific appearance she made to Congress after
Speaker 2: the attempt on Donald Trump's life, which seemed to have been,
Speaker 2: you know, at the very best case, a real crisis
Speaker 2: of competence. She had been on Joe Biden's vice presidential
Speaker 2: Secret Service detail when he was Barack Obama's vice president. This,
Speaker 2: I think is a crucial detail. That's why she got
Speaker 2: the job. She gone on from the Secret Service to
Speaker 2: a senior security role at PepsiCo guarding cheetos or Doritos
Speaker 2: or whatever, and then she was brought back to run
Speaker 2: this very important law enforcement body, RITA. And it was
Speaker 2: all because of her relationship with Joe Biden. Now you know,
Speaker 2: whether that would mean that she might cover for a
Speaker 2: Biden family member who was caught out doing something really
Speaker 2: embarrassing and illegal, you know, look, that would be a
Speaker 2: very suspicious and cynical thing to say.
Speaker 4: It would be very cynical, not something that we would do.
Speaker 3: And grotestically, no incompetent does she seem to a major
Speaker 3: achievement the Secret Service appeared to be diversity quotas, which
Speaker 3: is I would have thought secret service a position. You
Speaker 3: don't want to have any sort of quotas. You want
Speaker 3: the best person and for the job every single time. Now,
Speaker 3: a clip of Vice President Kamala Harris from earlier this
Speaker 3: year has resurfaced in the wake of six Israeli hostages
Speaker 3: being murdered by her mass in tunnels under Rafa, and
Speaker 3: as usual, Kamala had it terribly wrong.
Speaker 8: We have been clear in multiple conversations and in every
Speaker 8: way that any major military operation in Rafa would be
Speaker 8: a huge mistake. Let me tell you something. I have
Speaker 8: studied the maps. There's nowhere for those folks to go.
Speaker 8: And we're looking at about a million and a half
Speaker 8: people in Rafa who are there because they were told
Speaker 8: to go there, most of them. And so we've been
Speaker 8: very clear that it would be a mistake to move
Speaker 8: into Rafa with any type of military operation.
Speaker 3: She studied the maps, James, how could you expect to
Speaker 3: bring any sort of meaningful change peace to the Middle
Speaker 3: Age when she appears to be falling for her mass propaganda.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Rita. It's not just Kamala Harris, it's
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, you know, the President still notionally the president apparently,
Speaker 2: you know, her whole administration that she's been involved in
Speaker 2: for the past nearly four years has been basically compromised.
Speaker 2: You know, they talk in strong game about Israel. Oh
Speaker 2: you know, we're back Israel, all of this, but you
Speaker 2: know they have since the very time they came into office,
Speaker 2: they've been running the Obama foreign policy, which is to
Speaker 2: appease and in big in Iran. And that's exactly what's happened.
Speaker 2: You know, Iran is Hamas's sponsors. Hamas did not want
Speaker 2: them going into Rapha because that was their HQ where
Speaker 2: they held all the hostages underneath the city and the
Speaker 2: terror tunnels that they used all their aid money from
Speaker 2: the West to go and build instead of giving the
Speaker 2: Palestinian people infrastructure and food and jobs and an economy.
Speaker 2: So you know, really I'm afraid Kamala Harris there was
Speaker 2: running the Hamas line, and we have seen the Biden
Speaker 2: administration also run the Harmas line. And I am terrified
Speaker 2: that if Kamala Harris does wind up falling over the
Speaker 2: line and becoming president, the United States will be much
Speaker 2: more friendly to Iran and much less friendly to Israel.
Speaker 2: What you just played. There is just a small part
Speaker 2: of this much bigger and I think much more, sinister
Speaker 2: puzzle reader.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you do wonder how committed she is to
Speaker 3: the Iranian nuclear deal that was Obama's brainchild. Biden tried
Speaker 3: to reinvigorate it, and all it has done is emboldened
Speaker 3: and enrich the Iranian regime after four years where they
Speaker 3: were really demoralized under the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: Absolutely right. And that Iran Deal that Obama started, you know,
Speaker 2: the whole point of that was to strengthen Iran. It
Speaker 2: was to normalize relationship with Iran, balance out Sunny Power,
Speaker 2: you know, the Saudis and the Sunni States and the
Speaker 2: Gulf States, and also balance Israel. You know, this was
Speaker 2: the most disloyal thing we could have done to one
Speaker 2: of our allies, Israel. And we saw during the Trump
Speaker 2: administration how during the Abraham Cords the relations were normalized
Speaker 2: in Israel and the Sunni States. You know, this was
Speaker 2: a great thing for peace. And yet you know, when
Speaker 2: Obaba was in power, and of Biden as well, the
Speaker 2: demonstrations for peace and democracy in Iran. The people don't
Speaker 2: want this regime, but you know they're saddled with it,
Speaker 2: and they should get some more help from the West.
Speaker 3: It is just an appalling abandonment of our ally Israel,
Speaker 3: the only democracy in the Middle East. But also it's
Speaker 3: an abandon abandonment of the Iranian people. We've had these
Speaker 3: mass protests there, so many innocent lives lost, and the
Speaker 3: US government almost siding with the Iranians, even if they're
Speaker 3: not coming out and saying that their policies are, as
Speaker 3: I said, emboldening and enriching that regime. Now to your
Speaker 3: home city, New York. You had seven thousand protests there,
Speaker 3: storming the city on Labor Day. Some in the crowd
Speaker 3: waving her Mass flags along with Palestinian, Syrian, Iranian and
Speaker 3: his Bula banners chanting free Palestine and resistance is justified
Speaker 3: when people are occupied James. For these protests to occur,
Speaker 3: as we discovered the hell those hostages, including an American citizen,
Speaker 3: endured before they were executed, I mean, it's just beyond
Speaker 3: the pale.
Speaker 2: Look, it's just bizarre, and I mean I think it
Speaker 2: goes beyond any sort of support for Palestine or the
Speaker 2: Palestinian people or peace, because these people certainly don't want peace.
Speaker 2: I think these people here that you're seeing these basically
Speaker 2: you know, hamas and indifier cars players here walking through
Speaker 2: the streets of Manhattan. I think I know exactly where
Speaker 2: that block is there. You know, I've walked up and
Speaker 2: down those streets a million times in my life. And
Speaker 2: it's just grim. It's stupid. But I think we most
Speaker 2: of all, it's neil, you know. I think that the
Speaker 2: point here is really there are just so anti everything,
Speaker 2: anti the West, anti Israel, anti life, anti anything positive
Speaker 2: and beautiful and joyful. I think it's a really grim
Speaker 2: scene to see so many young people throw their lot
Speaker 2: in with these folks.
Speaker 3: It is, But where is the condemnation from authorities? We
Speaker 3: did have the White House release a statement, but if
Speaker 3: you had extreme right protesters marching with flags of terrorist groups,
Speaker 3: waving banners of Hitler or the like, you would expect
Speaker 3: a bit more action and a bit more outrage from authorities.
Speaker 3: But these protesters really have been allowed to run right
Speaker 3: across the US and across many cities right here in Australia.
Speaker 4: They've had encampments that've had.
Speaker 3: All sorts of protests where they've intimidated people going about
Speaker 3: their business, particularly if they're visibly due wish how are
Speaker 3: we tolerating this in the West, Well.
Speaker 2: Rita, I mean, look, for a long time, we had
Speaker 2: a rule and it was set by the left, and
Speaker 2: the rule was, hey, if a Nazi shows up to
Speaker 2: your rally, it's a Nazi rally. Now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you've got these rallies here which are absolutely filled with
Speaker 2: people who are spouting the worst sort of anti Semitic,
Speaker 2: not anti Zionist or anti israel rt anti Jewish hate,
Speaker 2: they're spewing it. I mean, that's what these terrorist flags
Speaker 2: are all about, is you know, wanting to kill the
Speaker 2: Jews and Westerners too. All of us are in the frame.
Speaker 2: By the way, let's not think that we're spared. Even
Speaker 2: if you're not Jewish. This is this is a pro
Speaker 2: terrorist rally. What we just saw here, this deserves to
Speaker 2: be condemned by everybody left and right, and you know,
Speaker 2: they should be treated the same way that back in
Speaker 2: You know, once upon a time, the ku klux Klan
Speaker 2: or the American Nazi Party want to march in Illinois,
Speaker 2: and the ACLU supported them because they said, you know what,
Speaker 2: free speech is important. So the Nazis have right to march,
Speaker 2: but just as important everybody came out to condemn them,
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what needs to happen here, you know,
Speaker 2: because right now we've got these people who literally what
Speaker 2: have we been seeing for months now? Oh hey, we're
Speaker 2: so anti fascist and we want to fight fascistm that
Speaker 2: we're gonna go down the street and we're gonna smash
Speaker 2: the glass of Jewish businesses. Yeah, okay, tell me how
Speaker 2: that works.
Speaker 3: They literally called Jews Nazis as they marching along, as
Speaker 3: they're intimidating into some people. I mean, it's almost beyond parody,
Speaker 3: but you can't laugh at this stuff because it's deadly serious.
Speaker 3: James Morrow, thank you for your time, and I'll see
Speaker 3: you Sunday morning.
Speaker 2: For outsiders see a Sunday reader still to come.
Speaker 3: Lefties losing it and Michael Schellenberger with a genuine scandal
Speaker 3: involving the FBI and election interference. Welcome back now time
Speaker 3: for left is losing it and she's done it again.
Speaker 3: We've brought you Kamala's array of accents previously, but this
Speaker 3: next one maybe my favorite.
Speaker 4: Listen to her.
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, who is of Jamaican, Indian and Irish descent
Speaker 3: and grew up in California and Canada.
Speaker 4: Listen to how she spoke earlier. Today, You better thank
Speaker 4: a union member.
Speaker 9: What the five day work week.
Speaker 5: You better thank our union member for sick leave. You
Speaker 5: better thank a union member for paid leave. You better
Speaker 5: thank a union member for vacation time.
Speaker 3: Oh, how many accents are we going to hear from
Speaker 3: her in this campaign?
Speaker 4: Well we got two in just a few hours. Today.
Speaker 4: Let's hear her.
Speaker 3: Let's see how she spoke in Pittsburgh and then Boston.
Speaker 3: See if you can detect the subtle difference.
Speaker 10: So, friends, sixty four days, let's just get through the
Speaker 10: next sixty.
Speaker 3: Four Meryl strap ate your heart out. Kamala is so authentic.
Speaker 3: But then wanting authenticity and consistency from Kamala is just
Speaker 3: asking for trumple listen to the passionate way she defends
Speaker 3: illegal immigrants who pay people smugglers to take them across
Speaker 3: the border and then marvel at the enormous backflip.
Speaker 10: Just a year later, a mother who pays a coyote
Speaker 10: to transport her trial through their country of origin, through
Speaker 10: the entire country of Mexico, facing unknown peril to come here.
Speaker 10: Why would that mother do that? I will tell you
Speaker 10: because she has decided. For that child to remain where
Speaker 10: they are is worse.
Speaker 4: But what does Donald Trump do?
Speaker 9: He says, go back to where you came from.
Speaker 10: That is not reflective of our America and our values.
Speaker 11: That it's got to end.
Speaker 8: To be clear to folks in this region who are
Speaker 8: thinking about making that dangerous track to the United States
Speaker 8: Mexico border, do not come.
Speaker 4: Do not come.
Speaker 8: And I believe if you come to our border you
Speaker 8: will be turned back.
Speaker 4: Do not come, Do not come.
Speaker 3: Of course they did come because the Biden Harris administration
Speaker 3: did nothing to stop the illegal immigration crisis. Record numbers
Speaker 3: have come in illegally every year of their administration. And
Speaker 3: remember Kamala and Joe telling us the anti Israeli protesters
Speaker 3: had a point. This is the type of miscreant they
Speaker 3: are empowering. This woman in New York City today waiving
Speaker 3: her mass flag on the day an American citizen horrifically injured,
Speaker 3: taken hostage, and then executed by her mask was buried.
Speaker 3: Just gross and the dim witted sheep were marching in
Speaker 3: big numbers in New York City chanting that Palestinians should
Speaker 3: resist colonialism by any means necessary. I guess that includes rape,
Speaker 3: torture and murder. Now to some local left is losing
Speaker 3: it here in the state of Victoria, where public libraries
Speaker 3: will be places off far left LGBTQIA plus plus indoctrination.
Speaker 3: Not only will children have drag Queens story time, but
Speaker 3: staff have been told not to use gendered language like
Speaker 3: boys and girls.
Speaker 4: And kids as young as five will be asked their pronouns.
Speaker 12: Children as young as five will be asked if they
Speaker 12: identify as she, he or they. As part of a
Speaker 12: new program being rolled out across public libraries in Victoria,
Speaker 12: library staff are being told to ask what their preferred
Speaker 12: pronouns are for children, avoid gendered language, and offer pronoun
Speaker 12: and badgers, pins or laniards for any visitors. As part
Speaker 12: of the Rainbow toolkit, Victorian libraries will also add books
Speaker 12: on gender diversity and promote drag Queen story time events.
Speaker 3: Let's have an antidote to all that left you lunacy
Speaker 3: with this sobering warning on censorship.
Speaker 4: And the assault against free speech.
Speaker 3: Here is Constantine Kissen talking with Foremost Australian Deputy Prime
Speaker 3: Minister John Anderson about the crackdown on so called hate
Speaker 3: speech and note This conversation happened before the UK's latest
Speaker 3: bout of insanity, where people are being arrested for sharing
Speaker 3: memes and robust ideas about mass migration.
Speaker 13: In Russia last year, four hundred people were arrested for
Speaker 13: things that they said on social media. Four hundred people
Speaker 13: in Russia. Obviously this country is very different. How many
Speaker 13: people do you think were arrested in Britain for things
Speaker 13: they said on.
Speaker 8: Social media life year?
Speaker 6: And come on take a guest. I have no idea.
Speaker 11: Three thy three hundred really arrested for what they'd said
Speaker 11: on social media?
Speaker 6: What sort of things get you all?
Speaker 13: One example I've given my show is there was a
Speaker 13: young woman from Liverpool called Chelsea Russell and people can
Speaker 13: look this up. Her friend was killed in a car crash,
Speaker 13: nineteen year old woman, and she posted the lyrics of
Speaker 13: his favorite song on her Instagram and there was a
Speaker 13: rap song, so the lyrics contained several instances of the
Speaker 13: nd work. She was arrested, prosecuted, found guilty, given five
Speaker 13: hundred dollars of community service and the final tag and
Speaker 13: four years she was under eight pm to eight am curfew.
Speaker 13: Oh good in Britain who wrote in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: In a letter to the House Judiciary Committee, met A
Speaker 3: founder and CEO, Mark Zuckerberg revealed the Biden administration officials
Speaker 3: were putting pressure on him to censor content on his
Speaker 3: social media platforms Facebook and Instagram that included satire, But
Speaker 3: the revelations.
Speaker 4: Did not stop there.
Speaker 3: Zuckerberg also revealed he was warned by the FBI about
Speaker 3: a Russian disinformation campaign involving Hunter Biden. They saw Facebook
Speaker 3: and other social media giants ban or heavily suppressed stories
Speaker 3: about Hunter Biden's laptop, including the Biden families dodgy business stealings.
Speaker 3: Joining me now is author independent journalist Michael Schellenberger, who
Speaker 3: broke the Twitter file story exposing the censorship industrial complex. Michael,
Speaker 3: these admissions by Zuckerberg are not only deeply disturbing, do
Speaker 3: they crossed.
Speaker 4: The line into criminality?
Speaker 3: Is this evidence of the FBI engaging in election interference?
Speaker 14: He read, it's great to be with you. Yeah, that's
Speaker 14: the most important question. I think the answer is yes.
Speaker 14: I now feel comfortable saying, for the first time, given
Speaker 14: Zuckerberg's letter, that the FBI interfered in the elections in
Speaker 14: twenty twenty, they waged their own disinformation campaign, naturally in
Speaker 14: the name of stopping allegited Russian disinformation.
Speaker 6: But it's important for viewers.
Speaker 14: To know that the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop since
Speaker 14: December two, twenty nineteen. They knew it was legitimate, authentic,
Speaker 14: They knew it was not Russian disinformation. They were also
Speaker 14: listening to Rudy Giuliani's telephone call, so they knew that
Speaker 14: he had given the laptop to the New York Post.
Speaker 14: And they spent that summer basically programming or brainwashing social
Speaker 14: media executives at Twitter and Facebook as well as journalists
Speaker 14: into believing that there would be a Russian leak of
Speaker 14: hacked materials, knowing full well that that's not what was
Speaker 14: going on. So it's very it's extremely illegal. It's illegal
Speaker 14: to engage in those disinformation operations against the American people,
Speaker 14: and it's obviously illegal for the FBI to interfere in elections.
Speaker 3: And their campaign was enormously successful, wasn't it, Because the
Speaker 3: New York Post story, which was one hundred percent accurate
Speaker 3: and legitimate, which the FBI knew because as you said,
Speaker 3: that had the evidence of the laptop, it was buried.
Speaker 3: You couldn't even post it on Twitter. The New York
Speaker 3: Post own Twitter page, their official account was banned, and
Speaker 3: likewise with Meta with Facebook, the story was completely suppressed,
Speaker 3: so their influence here is undeniable. They buried that story.
Speaker 3: They completely convinced the American public who were aware of
Speaker 3: the story that it was Russian disinformation, or they never
Speaker 3: heard the story in the first place.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's exactly right, readA. In fact, I was duped.
Speaker 14: I thought it was Russian disinformation at the time. I
Speaker 14: believed that not only that the fifty one former CIA
Speaker 14: directors and intelligence officials were correct in assessing it as
Speaker 14: Russian disinformation, but also I thought that because Facebook and
Speaker 14: Twitter were independent entities that had evaluated it, that they
Speaker 14: could be trusted. And that was obviously wrong. They were
Speaker 14: also victims of a disinformation campaign. And I think what
Speaker 14: you said is very important for people to understand that
Speaker 14: the censorship was bad.
Speaker 6: But really the power of.
Speaker 14: It was to convince people that there was something wrong
Speaker 14: with the story, when, as you pointed out, the story
Speaker 14: in The New York Post was one hundred percent accurate.
Speaker 14: There's never been anything proven wrong with it. It just
Speaker 14: was what it looked like, which is Hunter Biden dropped
Speaker 14: his laptops into a bathtub or a pool, took him
Speaker 14: to the computer repair store owner.
Speaker 6: Repair store owner.
Speaker 14: Gave him to Rudy Giuliani and the FBI, and Hunter
Speaker 14: Biden never came back for them.
Speaker 6: That was all it was.
Speaker 14: And so there's a very elaborate brainwashing effort by the FBI.
Speaker 14: It's someone, it's criminal, and somebody should be prosecuted and
Speaker 14: potentially incarcerated because these are very serious crimes.
Speaker 3: And the media, the bulk of the media, was also
Speaker 3: a ga to believe that they discredited the story without
Speaker 3: really looking into it in any meaningful fact when it mattered.
Speaker 3: Now they will admit it's real, because there's no denying
Speaker 3: it now. Despite Mark Zuckerberg being a lifelong Democrat, he
Speaker 3: donated around four hundred million dollars of his own money
Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty to fortify the election for the Democrats.
Speaker 3: Despite him making these admissions, you've still got the leftist
Speaker 3: media ignoring or questioning his evidence. The Atlantic was among
Speaker 3: the outlets to question Zuckerberg's motives and pretend this was
Speaker 3: just about clamping down on rampant COVID misinformation. What's it
Speaker 3: going to take Michael for the bulk of the US
Speaker 3: media to investigate this story properly.
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I'm glad you singled out The Atlantic because
Speaker 14: it's been one of the biggest advocates of censorship in
Speaker 14: the United States. It's a deeply snobby, elitist publication that
Speaker 14: thinks that the American people can't be trusted to make
Speaker 14: their own minds up. It believes that committees of experts
Speaker 14: to decide what we're allowed to see and say and
Speaker 14: read and hear online. And it's quite shocking. It's very
Speaker 14: much against the American tradition. An answer to your question,
Speaker 14: I think that you know, clearly there has to be
Speaker 14: the voters have to express their preference for freedom at
Speaker 14: the ballot box. You know, it used to be twenty
Speaker 14: five thirty years ago when I first was involved in
Speaker 14: political work, that the media would change its mind and
Speaker 14: then the politicians or the voters would follow them. At
Speaker 14: this point, the media are the most dogmatic institution in society.
Speaker 14: They're basically the brains of the Democratic Party. There's really
Speaker 14: in fact, they're much more ideological than most democratic politicians,
Speaker 14: in part because they there's no consequence for them to
Speaker 14: be so dogmatic, and so what you end up seeing
Speaker 14: is that you see politicians needing to correct either their abuses,
Speaker 14: such as defunding the police or demanding censorship. And it's
Speaker 14: the media that ends up following in the will of
Speaker 14: the people and the voters. So I think that's ultimately
Speaker 14: we need a correction at the ballot box.
Speaker 4: Now, let's talk about Brazil.
Speaker 3: The Supreme Court there has upheld a ban on social
Speaker 3: media site X formally Twitter, effectively shutting out more than
Speaker 3: two hundred million people from using the popular app. We've
Speaker 3: seen mass protests in the country in recent months, and Michael,
Speaker 3: I do wonder whether shutting down X is really about
Speaker 3: stopping further dissent, because under Elon Musk, X has become
Speaker 3: a place where you can question the narrative, you can
Speaker 3: share information that perhaps in the past would have been suppressed.
Speaker 3: How do you see what's happening in Brazil right now?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 14: greatly wonder why Brazil's you know important. You know, people
Speaker 14: might think it has nothing to do with them. I
Speaker 14: think that we should look at Brazil's laboratory for how
Speaker 14: totalitarian sensors and censorship advocates would like to do around
Speaker 14: the world. In fact, they've made it very clear that
Speaker 14: they want to do what Brazil's doing. Brazil is no
Speaker 14: longer a free country. It's illegal to go on to.
Speaker 6: The app X.
Speaker 14: Shocking to believe, but you can't go on X. All
Speaker 14: of the other social media platforms, including Google and Facebook
Speaker 14: and Instagram have bowed down to the government's demands. The
Speaker 14: government demands were extremely radical and extreme. They were basically
Speaker 14: demanding that politicians that they don't like and journalists that
Speaker 14: they don't like, not just that some of their content
Speaker 14: be censored, but that they be banned from those platforms
Speaker 14: and from every platform. So what you see here is
Speaker 14: really the nineteen eighty four that George Orwell warned about,
Speaker 14: where the government would control all the different media and
Speaker 14: including social media, deciding what cannon can't be said publicly.
Speaker 14: It's extremely concerning, and of course Brazil itself is a big,
Speaker 14: powerful country. It's the sixth largest country by size, it's
Speaker 14: two hundred and fifty million people. But I think more
Speaker 14: than that, they're testing, you know, what will be allowed.
Speaker 14: But I think it's I think I also feel comfortable
Speaker 14: at this point saying that Brazil is no longer a democracy,
Speaker 14: that it's.
Speaker 6: A dictatorship of basically two men, President Lula and the.
Speaker 14: Supreme Court Justice alessandri Jimo Rice, who has been issuing
Speaker 14: these edicts, most of which are illegal, in other words,
Speaker 14: that violate the Brazilian constitutions. So it's hard to overstate
Speaker 14: how serious and terrifying what happened. What's happening in Brazil.
Speaker 14: It's certainly what many of the people in our countries Australia,
Speaker 14: the United States, Canada, Europe. It's something that many people
Speaker 14: in our own countries would like to see the government
Speaker 14: do here.
Speaker 3: Well, that is the problem, because you do say often
Speaker 3: even people in the media cheering for more censorship, for more.
Speaker 4: Restrict on free.
Speaker 3: Speech, what do you say to those on the left
Speaker 3: who think this sort of Brazilian style censorship that we
Speaker 3: have seen in recent weeks couldn't happen in a place
Speaker 3: like in America. We do have people like a legal
Speaker 3: scholar Jonathan Thurly, warning that the Harris Walls Alliance is
Speaker 3: the most anti free speech ticket of a major party
Speaker 3: in more than two centuries.
Speaker 4: The twenty twenty four election is not far away. If
Speaker 4: we do have a Kamala Harris government.
Speaker 3: Do you expect to see a further assault against free speech?
Speaker 14: I do, and we should all be very concerned about that.
Speaker 14: You know, the three big things that the Brazilian government did,
Speaker 14: which was to demand censorship of so called election misinformation,
Speaker 14: to deplatform disfavored politicians and journalists, and then to seek
Speaker 14: cross platform bans, in other words, banning people not just
Speaker 14: from one social media platform but.
Speaker 6: From all of them.
Speaker 14: All three of those are things that Kamala Harris and
Speaker 14: Tim Waltz have endorsed. Tim Waltz in December twenty twenty
Speaker 14: two called for the censoring of election, of so called
Speaker 14: election misinformation, misinformation of courses entirely in the eyes.
Speaker 6: Of the beholder.
Speaker 14: Misinformation just means information that I don't agree with or
Speaker 14: I don't think is accurate. But Kamala Harris in twenty
Speaker 14: nineteen repeatedly called for Trump to be banned from Twitter
Speaker 14: and from every other social media platform.
Speaker 6: And she said that those platforms need to be regulated.
Speaker 14: And she's not the only Democrat that's advocated for that.
Speaker 14: The biggest, the strongest case for censorship, sadly, was made
Speaker 14: by former President Barack Obama at Stanford in the spring
Speaker 14: of twenty twenty two, right before the Biden administration announced
Speaker 14: its Orwellian Ministry of Truth the Disinformation Governance Board. So, unfortunately,
Speaker 14: Democrats are absolutely obsessed with censorship. They want to see it,
Speaker 14: they want to see the Europeans do it, they want
Speaker 14: to see.
Speaker 6: The Brazilians do it.
Speaker 14: We've now tomorrow we'll be publishing evidence that the US
Speaker 14: government has funded censorship activities in Brazil. So yeah, I
Speaker 14: think you should be people should be very worried that
Speaker 14: Kamala Harris and Tim Wallas's president and vice president would
Speaker 14: really try to crank up the censorship industrial complex and
Speaker 14: work with other countries including Brazil, Australia, Europe, Canada to
Speaker 14: impose this tutalitarian censorship regime on the entire planet, which
Speaker 14: sadly is something that you can do in the age
Speaker 14: of the Internet, since we all get our information from
Speaker 14: the Internet, there's a number of there's only a few
Speaker 14: number of big platforms, and they want to control all
Speaker 14: of them.
Speaker 3: And that censorship is often paid for by the taxpayer,
Speaker 3: so the taxpayer is funding their own muzzling.
Speaker 4: It's really quite perverse. Before you go, the isn't.
Speaker 3: Far away, how much election interference do you expect to
Speaker 3: see from the elite, the swamp, the whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call them, The powerful and influential, from big tech
Speaker 3: to intelligence agencies, and even the mainstream media, which are
Speaker 3: some of them are just a barracking for one side
Speaker 3: and ignoring stories that may hurt the Democrats. We've seen
Speaker 3: that just this week.
Speaker 6: That's absolutely right.
Speaker 15: Read.
Speaker 14: I think that the disinformation by the elites on behalf
Speaker 14: of the Democrats never really stopped after twenty twenty. You know,
Speaker 14: everybody saw that the media insisted that Joe Biden was
Speaker 14: perfectly fine and that anybody who said differently was a
Speaker 14: far right extremist. And then the debate occurred, and then
Speaker 14: they were all caught embarrassed, and then they quickly reversed
Speaker 14: on a diamond said that Biden had to go and
Speaker 14: that he had to be removed in a very undemocratic way.
Speaker 14: So Kamala Harris was never selected or elected by the
Speaker 14: Democratic primary voters. It's just wave after wave of propaganda
Speaker 14: for Kamala Harris right now. It's basically only positive for
Speaker 14: Kamala Harris and the media and only negative for Donald Trump.
Speaker 14: The media traditionally would be where you would expect to
Speaker 14: find information about what the candidates would do. The media
Speaker 14: are just obsessed with things like the kind of foods
Speaker 14: that Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz make and kind of idiotic,
Speaker 14: superficial banter, you know, dumb branding exercises anything to avoid
Speaker 14: serious conversation of the biggest issues facing the country, which
Speaker 14: are obviously inflation, the migration crisis, seemingly endless wars abroad,
Speaker 14: and no real leadership at home. So unfortunately the media
Speaker 14: have descended into the propaganda apparatus that George Orwell feared,
Speaker 14: and the media is not satisfied with being able to
Speaker 14: just you know, basically, you know, do propaganda. They also
Speaker 14: want to censor any accurate information, alternative sources of information
Speaker 14: that people might get through social media. So it's a
Speaker 14: really tutulitarian instinct and desire for control that gets It's
Speaker 14: always there, but it's particularly acute in the run up
Speaker 14: to elections.
Speaker 3: Oh it, control is the key word there, and it's
Speaker 3: I think why they hate Elon Musk so much because
Speaker 3: he's bought a platform where you can question the dominant
Speaker 3: narrative and share opinions without fearing you're going to be banned, censored,
Speaker 3: or suppressed. Michael Schellenberger, you do spectacular work. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much for your time this evening.
Speaker 14: Thanks for having me Rita and still to come.
Speaker 4: I'm joined by an inspirational business woman.
Speaker 3: You is sick and tired of white leftist activists and
Speaker 3: they're patronizing treatment of black fight.
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: My next guest is an African entrepreneur who has some
Speaker 3: firm beliefs on the whole White Women for Kamala movement.
Speaker 3: She believes economic freedom is the answer to poverty and
Speaker 3: blaming racism for everything is a trap. She believes that
Speaker 3: a nation could only prosper when it's leaders no history,
Speaker 3: understand economics and lead with integrity. Maggett Wade is the
Speaker 3: director of the Center for African Prosperity at the Atlas Network.
Speaker 3: She's appeared in Ted Talks podcasts for the likes of
Speaker 3: Jordan Peterson and Lex Friedman, and the Faces of X
Speaker 3: series on race and capitalism, and you book The Heart
Speaker 3: of a Cheetah, How We Have Been Like To about
Speaker 3: African poverty and what that means for human flourishing is
Speaker 3: out now. Maggatt Wade joins me now fantastic.
Speaker 4: To have you with us.
Speaker 3: You've argued that Africa's problems are not due to colonialism,
Speaker 3: corruption or even bad leaders So why is the continent
Speaker 3: afflicted with so much poverty and what could be done
Speaker 3: to lift millions out of that poverty.
Speaker 9: First of all, thank you so much for having me retay,
Speaker 9: It's an honor and a pleasure. So yes, I do
Speaker 9: make the case that Africa is not the poorest region
Speaker 9: in the world because of colonialism or corruption per se,
Speaker 9: or even the leadership. To me, I go back to
Speaker 9: basic principles. Poverty is solved by prosperity. Prosperity is built
Speaker 9: by entrepreneurs. What do entrepreneurs need? They need an enabling
Speaker 9: business environment. Yet when you look there, you realize that
Speaker 9: Africa is the most of a regulated region in the world.
Speaker 9: What in plain English language it translates into is that
Speaker 9: the African region is where many countries do not afford
Speaker 9: their citizens there would be wealth creators aka entrepreneurs. That's
Speaker 9: a region in the world where they have the least
Speaker 9: economic freedom economic freedom index after another, one of them
Speaker 9: being the doing business of a world of a gold bank,
Speaker 9: another one being the heritage you know, economic freedom index
Speaker 9: all of those indexes but measure how hard or easy
Speaker 9: it is to start and run a business anywhere in
Speaker 9: the world. Systematically show what this what it is that
Speaker 9: I have gone through as an entrepreneur on the ground
Speaker 9: in Africa and always being able to compare it to
Speaker 9: also being an entrepreneur in a in the origin nation
Speaker 9: like America. What these indexes show time time after time,
Speaker 9: year after year after year, is that it is harder
Speaker 9: to do business in almost anywhere in Subsiaran Africa than
Speaker 9: it is anywhere in Scandinavia. In other plain English words,
Speaker 9: Scandinavian nations are more capitalist than most African nations.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: And you've also made the point that blaming racism for
Speaker 3: everything is a trap for black people and that they
Speaker 3: need to be aware of that and have conversations around that.
Speaker 4: It's an uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Conversation for many, particularly in the West, where identity politics
Speaker 3: and victimhood narratives have really taken a firm hold. How
Speaker 3: is that reality check on race being received. Do you
Speaker 3: get a lot of backlash from US UK when you
Speaker 3: make statements like that, or.
Speaker 9: I don't get the backlash only from the US. From
Speaker 9: the UK, I get it also from my fellow black
Speaker 9: people in Africa. You know, remember Africa is home to
Speaker 9: ninety representatives of a black race, and they too too
Speaker 9: often seem to have the same issue.
Speaker 11: You know, we are stuck, We are.
Speaker 9: Stuck in the paradigm of oh, we can't amount to
Speaker 9: much because of racism. And as usual I call yes
Speaker 9: on that.
Speaker 11: You know, I do. I'm sorry, we do know that.
Speaker 9: And so the problem I have with you putting your
Speaker 9: position yourself in a position of victimhood. First of all,
Speaker 9: you have to understand that I was very much raised
Speaker 9: with this concept and this mantra of criticized by creating.
Speaker 11: It's Michelangelo's to start with.
Speaker 9: But it's this very idea that if the only valid
Speaker 9: way of criticism, of criticizing anything is by offering an
Speaker 9: alternative to that problem, it doesn't necessarily.
Speaker 11: Have to be the right solution.
Speaker 9: But like my father would say, he would say, don't
Speaker 9: come to me with your problems.
Speaker 11: I want to know that you have thought of solutions.
Speaker 9: And I don't need you to necessarily have a right solution,
Speaker 9: but I just want to know that you are in
Speaker 9: solutions mode, because guess what, when you are in solutions mode,
Speaker 9: you are in I own my agency mode and that's
Speaker 9: the only mode from which any solution can come from.
Speaker 11: And so that's a trap. When when I was thinking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when you think you're you're destined to be
Speaker 3: a victim your whole life because of the color of
Speaker 3: your skin, it can be a self fulfilling prophecy before
Speaker 3: you go. The white Woman for Kamala movement was launched,
Speaker 3: We saw that zoom call featuring hundreds of white females
Speaker 3: giving each other tips on how to not speak over
Speaker 3: misrepresent black people.
Speaker 4: Is that the quick look?
Speaker 15: BIPARC women have tapped us in as white women to
Speaker 15: step up, listen and get involved the selection season as
Speaker 15: weight women, we need to use our privilege to make
Speaker 15: positive changes. If you find yourself talking over or speaking
Speaker 15: for BIPARK individuals or god forbid, correcting them, just take
Speaker 15: a bit and instead we can put our listening ears on.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh ah, what do you think of that whole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, White women for Kamala, the not talking over BIPOC
Speaker 3: women always having this instruction all about how to deal
Speaker 3: with black folk.
Speaker 4: How do the modern democrats view black people? In your opinion?
Speaker 9: Well, you see, for me and I had This is
Speaker 9: an argument online with some people who are like, oh,
Speaker 9: we're just trying to help you, you need to take
Speaker 9: the help. And I'm like, so, for me, it's not
Speaker 9: so much democrats, it's so much Republicans. It's I am
Speaker 9: quite frankly disgusted and this woman makes me want to vomit.
Speaker 11: As I was watching this again, I was.
Speaker 9: Just like, oh, and first of all, do not proceed
Speaker 9: to call me by pack or any other words like that, please.
Speaker 11: And really always it's disgusting.
Speaker 9: So that video, you know what I see, Rita, I
Speaker 9: see this is how to handle a monkey. This is
Speaker 9: how you deal with a monkey.
Speaker 11: And I'm not a monkey, thank you very much.
Speaker 9: So your condescension, I will always have an I don't care.
Speaker 4: Who you are.
Speaker 9: I don't need your condcide, your condescension, And that's what
Speaker 9: disgusts me in all of this. Look at her, I mean,
Speaker 9: just look at her.
Speaker 4: But the yeah, I'm with you a thousand percent.
Speaker 3: As a bipopwoman or whatever they call us, the way
Speaker 3: they speak to some ethnic minorities and particularly black folk,
Speaker 3: it is, it is just so condescending and just drips
Speaker 3: of the bigotry of low expectations. We've loved having you
Speaker 3: on the program. Maget I, we'll speak to you again.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time this evening.
Speaker 11: Thank you so much for having me qureciate it.
Speaker 3: And that's it from May. Up next is Newsnight. I'll
Speaker 3: see you at eleven tomorrow Night with Douglas Murray.
Speaker 4: Good night,