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Speaker 1: On Scolus Australia.

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Speaker 2: This is the Winner Panalty Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the RITA Panicky show coming

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Speaker 3: up tonight.

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Speaker 4: Hundreds of Palestinians.

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Speaker 3: Successfully claim asylum in Australia. I'll speak to Gary Hartgrave

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Speaker 3: about that and more. The Great Michael Schellenberger will be

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Speaker 3: here to discuss a genuine scandal involving the FBI and

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Speaker 3: election interference, one that makes Watergate look like a Teddy

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Speaker 3: Bear's picnic.

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Speaker 4: You won't want to miss that. And later in the.

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Speaker 3: Hour, I speak to an inspirational woman who is sick

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Speaker 3: and tired of white leftist activists and their actronizing treatment

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Speaker 3: of black folk and left is losing. It features Kamala.

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Speaker 4: Harris trialing yet another accent.

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Speaker 5: You better thank a union member for sick leave. You

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Speaker 5: better thank a union member for paid leave. You better

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Speaker 5: thank a union member for vacation time.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave.

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Speaker 4: Gary.

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Speaker 3: The Victorian government is spending one point seven billion with

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Speaker 3: a B billion dollars on a new public park in

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Speaker 3: Melbourne's South Bank, lark Boon Dap, as the park will

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Speaker 3: be called, will surround the Arts Center precinc.

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Speaker 4: The plans were announced yesterday.

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Speaker 3: With work for the urban garden to start in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Gary.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I love gardens as much as the next girl,

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Speaker 3: but this date is in ruinous debt. How exactly are

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Speaker 3: we funding this park where we can't even pay for

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Speaker 3: enough nurses and paramedics.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that Victoria has got the highest level

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Speaker 1: of debt of any Australian state, then Queensland's got highest

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Speaker 1: per cabin of it. Victoria's got the highest real debt.

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Speaker 1: And if this is the priority there, you know, I'd

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Speaker 1: like you. I like gardens, but I would have thought Rita,

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Speaker 1: that the whole sort of indigenous theme is all well

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Speaker 1: and good and fine, but one point seven billion is

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Speaker 1: this the real priority? And besides, given about fifty six

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Speaker 1: percent of Australia is owned by indigenous corporations, why don't

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Speaker 1: they actually pay for it? Why don't we get the

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Speaker 1: private sector to pay for it? Why don't we get

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Speaker 1: somebody who's really interested in this to pay for it?

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Speaker 1: I just think the pooroal tax payer, Well, they're leaving.

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Speaker 1: The Victoria is the place to flee. That's what the

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Speaker 1: number plate is going to be changed the place to flee,

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Speaker 1: and this is another reason for it. Look again, I

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Speaker 1: get it, it's going to beautiful, it looks really nice.

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Speaker 1: But at this time is this the priority? Well, this

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Speaker 1: is the left, This is the left. They just want

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Speaker 1: a virtue signal with your money. That's what they're doing

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 3: Yep, just announcing more massive projects and one point seven

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Speaker 3: billion is what they're planning for it to cost, which

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Speaker 3: in this state needs will probably cost worth to five billion,

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Speaker 3: because that's how things normally go.

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Speaker 4: I wish I was joking. I wish I was joking.

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Speaker 3: Now more than three hundred Palestinians have I'm not joking. No, no, no, Now,

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Speaker 3: we've had more than three hundred Palestinians successfully claim asylum

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Speaker 3: in Australia in a two month period. The asylum seeker

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Speaker 3: process can sometimes drag on for many years to reach

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Speaker 3: its legal conclusion, but many of these applications were approved

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Speaker 3: in quick fashion. At least seven hundred and forty nine

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Speaker 3: Palestinians have applied for protection visas since October seven Gary.

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Speaker 4: This is interesting.

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Speaker 3: Australia has been almost alone in the developed world in

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Speaker 3: the Western world in granting visas to Palestinians from Gaza

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Speaker 3: and the West Bank, and the numbers we've granted around

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Speaker 3: three thousand again set us apart from most other countries.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we're insane. We are miles in front of

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Speaker 1: anybody else. No other country in the region wants to

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Speaker 1: go any win in them. I've just got off the

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Speaker 1: plane this morning from Jakarta, Indonesia, the biggest populated Muslim

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Speaker 1: country in the world, two hundred eighty million people, about

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Speaker 1: eleven million in the city of Jakarta alone. You know,

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Speaker 1: I saw one Palestinian flag in a week. That's it

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Speaker 1: on the back of a bloke driving a rickety old

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Speaker 1: saw anything like this. So if the biggest Muslim country

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Speaker 1: really together, it's going to be a very wealthy country.

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Speaker 1: If they're not actually taking big numbers out out of Palestine.

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Speaker 6: You know that there is a real problem attached to it.

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Speaker 1: And look, I get why people would like to leave

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Speaker 1: the area. But what I don't get is why Australia

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Speaker 1: says it'll be us, just us. Really, Australia is dumbing

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Speaker 1: itself down and destroying the values that have built this

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Speaker 1: country right before our very eyes. And and then the Albaneze.

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Speaker 1: He's worried politically about what's going to happen in Western

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Speaker 1: Sydney seats. Well, they're not going to necessarily back in

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Speaker 1: for this. We are insane. We've got to put a

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Speaker 1: getting the right people coming here.

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Speaker 3: We've got to just be very selective. Whether you believe

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Speaker 3: in big Australia, Little Australia, big migration numbers, smaller migration numbers.

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Speaker 4: We need to have people here who.

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Speaker 3: Respect Australian values, can assimilate successfully and contribute to the country.

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Speaker 3: Those migrants love this country and then make a great contribution.

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Speaker 3: But you don't want to bring people here who don't

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Speaker 3: share our values and who are never going to see

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Speaker 3: themselves as Australian. And you just hope whatever checks they're

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Speaker 3: running are thorough. That's all I can say about that,

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Speaker 3: Ona Hamas their level of evil no bounds. They're taunting

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Speaker 3: the families of the six hostages they murdered, posting photos

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Speaker 3: of their loved ones are looking gaunt and exhausted, and

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Speaker 3: threatening to release their last words, before they were executed.

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Speaker 3: Israeli forces believe the hostages were shot at close range

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Speaker 3: multiple times before their bodies were discovered in tunnels under Rafa,

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Speaker 3: And it seems gary that they were kept alive all

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Speaker 3: these months, but when the IDEF was approaching and it

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Speaker 3: looked like they could.

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Speaker 4: Be rescued, they were shot dead.

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Speaker 3: I cannot fathom how the families are coping with that knowledge.

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Speaker 1: No, and the whole thing just turns any decent person's stomach.

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Speaker 1: So there's the question. Rider they are not displaying her

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Speaker 1: master's an organization is not displaying any values of decency. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: they are running contrary to the teachings of Islam with

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Speaker 1: the way in which they are so flagrantly trying to

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Speaker 1: cause so much distress, heartbreak, and of course murder people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I am. I've got a lot of Muslim friends, Rita.

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Speaker 1: I've got a lot of friends from all religions, from

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Speaker 1: all parts of the world. I've been a minister for multiculturalism.

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Speaker 1: I believe strongly in though the thing that brings us together,

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Speaker 1: not the stuff that tears is apart. These people are

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Speaker 1: on the tear you apart agenda, and I just think

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Speaker 1: we've got to run an even finer com over what

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Speaker 1: it is that we've got coming through the door, because

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Speaker 1: I am I'm terrified with what we're actually doing of

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Speaker 1: ourselves right now. There rotten lazy government. And look back

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Speaker 1: to Indonesia. Hundreds of people would like to study in Australia.

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Speaker 1: They can't get visas. The first thing that was told

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Speaker 1: to me was you can't get a visa to get

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Speaker 1: to Australia. So you got Laura Biden, decent people come,

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Speaker 1: You can't get a visa. These people, these people get

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Speaker 1: a visa. So you know, there is something really wrong

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Speaker 1: in the Immigration Department, the department that I used to

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Speaker 1: be a minister of. I'm really sad about it.

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Speaker 3: Now before you go, don't have long, just a twenty

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Speaker 3: second answer. Tell me about what's happening with the election

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Speaker 3: Queensland election. We're hearing labors facing defeat. Some say annihilation.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything seven miles can.

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Speaker 4: Do to turn it all around?

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Speaker 1: No, that's it.

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Speaker 6: I don't think people want him gone.

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Speaker 4: They did take twenty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Gone, that's the end of the answer. I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 1: they just want him gone. And of course the mob

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Speaker 1: that replaced him of got on. Now justify people's vote,

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Speaker 1: as they'll get rid of them again in four years time.

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Speaker 1: It's happened before Riatas, so now they want miles gone,

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Speaker 1: and by one hundred miles, I say.

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Speaker 3: And I wonder how much of that loss, if it happens,

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Speaker 3: is going to be blamed on Albo because he also

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Speaker 3: seems to be a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit on the nose. Gary Hartgreag, thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for your time.

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Speaker 6: Chase's a lot cheers.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is host of the US Report and

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Speaker 3: co host of the top rating program on all of

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Speaker 3: Sky News Outsiders. James Morrow, Welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the Secret Service. They've entered their investigation

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Speaker 3: into cocaine that was found in the White House last year,

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Speaker 3: with no suspect identified as spokesperson told The New York

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Speaker 3: Post that the cocaine was disposed of in accordance with

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Speaker 3: retention policies, but a trio of sources told Real Clear

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Speaker 3: Politics that President Biden's then Secret Service director, Kimberly Cheatle,

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Speaker 3: wanted to destroy the cocaine, but faced opposition. Apparently DNA

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Speaker 3: had been recovered from the half used dime bag. One

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Speaker 3: of the sources said the protocol is whether you act

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Speaker 3: on the DNA hit or not, we still have to

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Speaker 3: maintain evidence for a period of up to seven years.

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Speaker 4: It's become a big to do.

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Speaker 3: A decision was made not to get rid of the evidence,

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Speaker 3: and it really peed off cheatle Now commentator Dan Bongino,

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Speaker 3: who used to be a Secret Service officer, from what

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Speaker 3: I understand, says there's a lot more to this story.

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Speaker 7: Here's what I'm hearing from whistleblowers that they are suspicious

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Speaker 7: that the partial DNA hit could match a member of

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Speaker 7: the inner Biden circle.

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Speaker 3: James, do you think the wide house was panicking about

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Speaker 3: who this DNA match could be? A few obvious suspects

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Rita. I mean, it's not like

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Speaker 2: there's anybody in the Biden family who's got a pretty

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Speaker 2: long and public history of not only drug abuse but

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Speaker 2: really flagrantly bad behavior, into which you know, maybe bringing

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Speaker 2: cocaine to the White House might fit that pattern, but

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Speaker 2: you know, I'll leave that to viewers to decide who

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Speaker 2: that might be. To me, the really interesting thing here, though,

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Speaker 2: is what the Secret Service has been up to in

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Speaker 2: all of this, Because remember Kimberly Cheadle. She was the

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Speaker 2: director of the Secret Service who was finally forced to

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Speaker 2: resign after that horrific appearance she made to Congress after

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Speaker 2: the attempt on Donald Trump's life, which seemed to have been,

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Speaker 2: you know, at the very best case, a real crisis

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Speaker 2: of competence. She had been on Joe Biden's vice presidential

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Speaker 2: Secret Service detail when he was Barack Obama's vice president. This,

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Speaker 2: I think is a crucial detail. That's why she got

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Speaker 2: the job. She gone on from the Secret Service to

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Speaker 2: a senior security role at PepsiCo guarding cheetos or Doritos

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Speaker 2: or whatever, and then she was brought back to run

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Speaker 2: this very important law enforcement body, RITA. And it was

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Speaker 2: all because of her relationship with Joe Biden. Now you know,

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Speaker 2: whether that would mean that she might cover for a

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Speaker 2: Biden family member who was caught out doing something really

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Speaker 2: embarrassing and illegal, you know, look, that would be a

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Speaker 2: very suspicious and cynical thing to say.

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Speaker 4: It would be very cynical, not something that we would do.

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Speaker 3: And grotestically, no incompetent does she seem to a major

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Speaker 3: achievement the Secret Service appeared to be diversity quotas, which

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Speaker 3: is I would have thought secret service a position. You

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Speaker 3: don't want to have any sort of quotas. You want

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Speaker 3: the best person and for the job every single time. Now,

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Speaker 3: a clip of Vice President Kamala Harris from earlier this

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Speaker 3: year has resurfaced in the wake of six Israeli hostages

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Speaker 3: being murdered by her mass in tunnels under Rafa, and

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Speaker 3: as usual, Kamala had it terribly wrong.

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Speaker 8: We have been clear in multiple conversations and in every

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Speaker 2: What you just played. There is just a small part

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you do wonder how committed she is to

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Speaker 2: I think these people here that you're seeing these basically

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Speaker 3: It is, But where is the condemnation from authorities? We

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Speaker 3: But these protesters really have been allowed to run right

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Speaker 4: They've had encampments that've had.

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Speaker 3: All sorts of protests where they've intimidated people going about

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Speaker 2: Rita, I mean, look, for a long time, we had

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Speaker 3: They literally called Jews Nazis as they marching along, as

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Speaker 3: James Morrow, thank you for your time, and I'll see

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Speaker 2: For outsiders see a Sunday reader still to come.

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Speaker 3: Lefties losing it and Michael Schellenberger with a genuine scandal

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Speaker 3: for left is losing it and she's done it again.

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Speaker 3: We've brought you Kamala's array of accents previously, but this

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Speaker 4: Listen to her.

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, who is of Jamaican, Indian and Irish descent

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Speaker 4: Listen to how she spoke earlier. Today, You better thank

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Speaker 9: What the five day work week.

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Speaker 5: You better thank our union member for sick leave. You

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Speaker 3: Oh, how many accents are we going to hear from

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Speaker 4: Well we got two in just a few hours. Today.

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Speaker 4: Let's hear her.

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Speaker 3: Let's see how she spoke in Pittsburgh and then Boston.

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Speaker 3: See if you can detect the subtle difference.

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Speaker 10: So, friends, sixty four days, let's just get through the

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Speaker 3: Four Meryl strap ate your heart out. Kamala is so authentic.

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Speaker 3: But then wanting authenticity and consistency from Kamala is just

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Speaker 3: asking for trumple listen to the passionate way she defends

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Speaker 10: Just a year later, a mother who pays a coyote

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Speaker 10: Why would that mother do that? I will tell you

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Speaker 4: But what does Donald Trump do?

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Speaker 9: He says, go back to where you came from.

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Speaker 10: That is not reflective of our America and our values.

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Speaker 11: That it's got to end.

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Speaker 8: To be clear to folks in this region who are

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Speaker 4: Do not come.

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Speaker 8: And I believe if you come to our border you

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Speaker 4: Do not come, Do not come.

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Speaker 3: Of course they did come because the Biden Harris administration

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Speaker 3: remember Kamala and Joe telling us the anti Israeli protesters

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Speaker 3: it here in the state of Victoria, where public libraries

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Speaker 4: And kids as young as five will be asked their pronouns.

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Speaker 3: Let's have an antidote to all that left you lunacy

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Speaker 3: with this sobering warning on censorship.

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Speaker 3: Here is Constantine Kissen talking with Foremost Australian Deputy Prime

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Speaker 6: And come on take a guest. I have no idea.

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Speaker 13: look this up. Her friend was killed in a car crash,

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Speaker 13: nineteen year old woman, and she posted the lyrics of

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Speaker 13: nd work. She was arrested, prosecuted, found guilty, given five

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Speaker 13: hundred dollars of community service and the final tag and

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Speaker 13: four years she was under eight pm to eight am curfew.

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Speaker 13: Oh good in Britain who wrote in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 3: In a letter to the House Judiciary Committee, met A

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Speaker 3: founder and CEO, Mark Zuckerberg revealed the Biden administration officials

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Speaker 3: were putting pressure on him to censor content on his

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Speaker 3: social media platforms Facebook and Instagram that included satire, But

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Speaker 3: the revelations.

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Speaker 4: Did not stop there.

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Speaker 3: Zuckerberg also revealed he was warned by the FBI about

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Speaker 3: a Russian disinformation campaign involving Hunter Biden. They saw Facebook

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Speaker 3: and other social media giants ban or heavily suppressed stories

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Speaker 3: about Hunter Biden's laptop, including the Biden families dodgy business stealings.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is author independent journalist Michael Schellenberger, who

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Speaker 3: broke the Twitter file story exposing the censorship industrial complex. Michael,

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Speaker 3: these admissions by Zuckerberg are not only deeply disturbing, do

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Speaker 3: they crossed.

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Speaker 4: The line into criminality?

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Speaker 3: Is this evidence of the FBI engaging in election interference?

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Speaker 14: He read, it's great to be with you. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 14: the most important question. I think the answer is yes.

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Speaker 14: I now feel comfortable saying, for the first time, given

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Speaker 14: Zuckerberg's letter, that the FBI interfered in the elections in

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Speaker 14: twenty twenty, they waged their own disinformation campaign, naturally in

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Speaker 14: the name of stopping allegited Russian disinformation.

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Speaker 6: But it's important for viewers.

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Speaker 14: To know that the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop since

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Speaker 14: December two, twenty nineteen. They knew it was legitimate, authentic,

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Speaker 14: They knew it was not Russian disinformation. They were also

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Speaker 14: listening to Rudy Giuliani's telephone call, so they knew that

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Speaker 14: he had given the laptop to the New York Post.

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Speaker 14: And they spent that summer basically programming or brainwashing social

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Speaker 14: media executives at Twitter and Facebook as well as journalists

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Speaker 14: into believing that there would be a Russian leak of

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Speaker 14: hacked materials, knowing full well that that's not what was

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Speaker 14: going on. So it's very it's extremely illegal. It's illegal

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Speaker 14: to engage in those disinformation operations against the American people,

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Speaker 14: and it's obviously illegal for the FBI to interfere in elections.

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Speaker 3: And their campaign was enormously successful, wasn't it, Because the

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Speaker 3: New York Post story, which was one hundred percent accurate

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Speaker 3: and legitimate, which the FBI knew because as you said,

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Speaker 3: that had the evidence of the laptop, it was buried.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't even post it on Twitter. The New York

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Speaker 3: Post own Twitter page, their official account was banned, and

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Speaker 3: likewise with Meta with Facebook, the story was completely suppressed,

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Speaker 3: so their influence here is undeniable. They buried that story.

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Speaker 3: They completely convinced the American public who were aware of

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Speaker 3: the story that it was Russian disinformation, or they never

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Speaker 3: heard the story in the first place.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's exactly right, readA. In fact, I was duped.

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Speaker 14: I thought it was Russian disinformation at the time. I

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Speaker 14: believed that not only that the fifty one former CIA

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Speaker 14: directors and intelligence officials were correct in assessing it as

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Speaker 14: Russian disinformation, but also I thought that because Facebook and

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Speaker 14: Twitter were independent entities that had evaluated it, that they

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Speaker 14: could be trusted. And that was obviously wrong. They were

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Speaker 14: also victims of a disinformation campaign. And I think what

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Speaker 14: you said is very important for people to understand that

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Speaker 14: the censorship was bad.

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Speaker 6: But really the power of.

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Speaker 14: It was to convince people that there was something wrong

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Speaker 14: with the story, when, as you pointed out, the story

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Speaker 14: in The New York Post was one hundred percent accurate.

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Speaker 14: There's never been anything proven wrong with it. It just

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Speaker 14: was what it looked like, which is Hunter Biden dropped

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Speaker 14: his laptops into a bathtub or a pool, took him

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Speaker 14: to the computer repair store owner.

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Speaker 6: Repair store owner.

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Speaker 14: Gave him to Rudy Giuliani and the FBI, and Hunter

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Speaker 14: Biden never came back for them.

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Speaker 6: That was all it was.

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Speaker 14: And so there's a very elaborate brainwashing effort by the FBI.

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Speaker 14: It's someone, it's criminal, and somebody should be prosecuted and

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Speaker 14: potentially incarcerated because these are very serious crimes.

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Speaker 3: And the media, the bulk of the media, was also

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Speaker 3: a ga to believe that they discredited the story without

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Speaker 3: really looking into it in any meaningful fact when it mattered.

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Speaker 3: Now they will admit it's real, because there's no denying

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Speaker 3: it now. Despite Mark Zuckerberg being a lifelong Democrat, he

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Speaker 3: donated around four hundred million dollars of his own money

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Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty to fortify the election for the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Despite him making these admissions, you've still got the leftist

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Speaker 3: media ignoring or questioning his evidence. The Atlantic was among

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Speaker 3: the outlets to question Zuckerberg's motives and pretend this was

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Speaker 3: just about clamping down on rampant COVID misinformation. What's it

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Speaker 3: going to take Michael for the bulk of the US

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Speaker 3: media to investigate this story properly.

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Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I'm glad you singled out The Atlantic because

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Speaker 14: it's been one of the biggest advocates of censorship in

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Speaker 14: the United States. It's a deeply snobby, elitist publication that

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Speaker 14: thinks that the American people can't be trusted to make

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Speaker 14: their own minds up. It believes that committees of experts

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Speaker 14: to decide what we're allowed to see and say and

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Speaker 14: read and hear online. And it's quite shocking. It's very

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Speaker 14: much against the American tradition. An answer to your question,

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Speaker 14: I think that you know, clearly there has to be

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Speaker 14: the voters have to express their preference for freedom at

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Speaker 14: the ballot box. You know, it used to be twenty

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Speaker 14: five thirty years ago when I first was involved in

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Speaker 14: political work, that the media would change its mind and

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Speaker 14: then the politicians or the voters would follow them. At

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Speaker 14: this point, the media are the most dogmatic institution in society.

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Speaker 14: They're basically the brains of the Democratic Party. There's really

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Speaker 14: in fact, they're much more ideological than most democratic politicians,

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Speaker 14: in part because they there's no consequence for them to

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Speaker 14: be so dogmatic, and so what you end up seeing

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Speaker 14: is that you see politicians needing to correct either their abuses,

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Speaker 14: such as defunding the police or demanding censorship. And it's

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Speaker 14: the media that ends up following in the will of

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Speaker 14: the people and the voters. So I think that's ultimately

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Speaker 14: we need a correction at the ballot box.

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Speaker 4: Now, let's talk about Brazil.

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Speaker 3: The Supreme Court there has upheld a ban on social

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Speaker 3: media site X formally Twitter, effectively shutting out more than

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Speaker 3: two hundred million people from using the popular app. We've

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Speaker 3: seen mass protests in the country in recent months, and Michael,

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Speaker 3: I do wonder whether shutting down X is really about

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Speaker 3: stopping further dissent, because under Elon Musk, X has become

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Speaker 3: a place where you can question the narrative, you can

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Speaker 3: share information that perhaps in the past would have been suppressed.

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Speaker 3: How do you see what's happening in Brazil right now?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people, you know,

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Speaker 14: greatly wonder why Brazil's you know important. You know, people

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Speaker 14: might think it has nothing to do with them. I

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Speaker 14: think that we should look at Brazil's laboratory for how

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Speaker 14: totalitarian sensors and censorship advocates would like to do around

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Speaker 14: the world. In fact, they've made it very clear that

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Speaker 14: they want to do what Brazil's doing. Brazil is no

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Speaker 14: longer a free country. It's illegal to go on to.

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Speaker 6: The app X.

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Speaker 14: Shocking to believe, but you can't go on X. All

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Speaker 14: of the other social media platforms, including Google and Facebook

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Speaker 14: and Instagram have bowed down to the government's demands. The

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Speaker 14: government demands were extremely radical and extreme. They were basically

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Speaker 14: demanding that politicians that they don't like and journalists that

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Speaker 14: they don't like, not just that some of their content

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Speaker 14: be censored, but that they be banned from those platforms

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Speaker 14: and from every platform. So what you see here is

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Speaker 14: really the nineteen eighty four that George Orwell warned about,

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Speaker 14: where the government would control all the different media and

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Speaker 14: including social media, deciding what cannon can't be said publicly.

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Speaker 14: It's extremely concerning, and of course Brazil itself is a big,

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Speaker 14: powerful country. It's the sixth largest country by size, it's

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Speaker 14: two hundred and fifty million people. But I think more

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Speaker 14: than that, they're testing, you know, what will be allowed.

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Speaker 14: But I think it's I think I also feel comfortable

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Speaker 14: at this point saying that Brazil is no longer a democracy,

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Speaker 14: that it's.

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Speaker 6: A dictatorship of basically two men, President Lula and the.

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Speaker 14: Supreme Court Justice alessandri Jimo Rice, who has been issuing

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Speaker 14: these edicts, most of which are illegal, in other words,

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Speaker 14: that violate the Brazilian constitutions. So it's hard to overstate

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Speaker 14: how serious and terrifying what happened. What's happening in Brazil.

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Speaker 14: It's certainly what many of the people in our countries Australia,

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Speaker 14: the United States, Canada, Europe. It's something that many people

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Speaker 14: in our own countries would like to see the government

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Speaker 14: do here.

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Speaker 3: Well, that is the problem, because you do say often

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Speaker 3: even people in the media cheering for more censorship, for more.

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Speaker 4: Restrict on free.

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Speaker 3: Speech, what do you say to those on the left

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Speaker 3: who think this sort of Brazilian style censorship that we

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Speaker 3: have seen in recent weeks couldn't happen in a place

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Speaker 3: like in America. We do have people like a legal

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Speaker 3: scholar Jonathan Thurly, warning that the Harris Walls Alliance is

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Speaker 3: the most anti free speech ticket of a major party

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Speaker 3: in more than two centuries.

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Speaker 4: The twenty twenty four election is not far away. If

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Speaker 4: we do have a Kamala Harris government.

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Speaker 3: Do you expect to see a further assault against free speech?

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Speaker 14: I do, and we should all be very concerned about that.

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Speaker 14: You know, the three big things that the Brazilian government did,

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Speaker 14: which was to demand censorship of so called election misinformation,

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Speaker 14: to deplatform disfavored politicians and journalists, and then to seek

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Speaker 14: cross platform bans, in other words, banning people not just

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Speaker 14: from one social media platform but.

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Speaker 6: From all of them.

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Speaker 14: All three of those are things that Kamala Harris and

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Speaker 14: Tim Waltz have endorsed. Tim Waltz in December twenty twenty

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Speaker 14: two called for the censoring of election, of so called

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Speaker 14: election misinformation, misinformation of courses entirely in the eyes.

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Speaker 6: Of the beholder.

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Speaker 14: Misinformation just means information that I don't agree with or

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Speaker 14: I don't think is accurate. But Kamala Harris in twenty

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Speaker 14: nineteen repeatedly called for Trump to be banned from Twitter

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Speaker 14: and from every other social media platform.

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Speaker 6: And she said that those platforms need to be regulated.

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Speaker 14: And she's not the only Democrat that's advocated for that.

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Speaker 14: The biggest, the strongest case for censorship, sadly, was made

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Speaker 14: by former President Barack Obama at Stanford in the spring

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Speaker 14: of twenty twenty two, right before the Biden administration announced

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Speaker 14: its Orwellian Ministry of Truth the Disinformation Governance Board. So, unfortunately,

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Speaker 14: Democrats are absolutely obsessed with censorship. They want to see it,

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Speaker 14: they want to see the Europeans do it, they want

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Speaker 14: to see.

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Speaker 6: The Brazilians do it.

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Speaker 14: We've now tomorrow we'll be publishing evidence that the US

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Speaker 14: government has funded censorship activities in Brazil. So yeah, I

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Speaker 14: think you should be people should be very worried that

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Speaker 14: Kamala Harris and Tim Wallas's president and vice president would

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Speaker 14: really try to crank up the censorship industrial complex and

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Speaker 14: work with other countries including Brazil, Australia, Europe, Canada to

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Speaker 14: impose this tutalitarian censorship regime on the entire planet, which

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Speaker 14: sadly is something that you can do in the age

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Speaker 14: of the Internet, since we all get our information from

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Speaker 14: the Internet, there's a number of there's only a few

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Speaker 14: number of big platforms, and they want to control all

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Speaker 14: of them.

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Speaker 3: And that censorship is often paid for by the taxpayer,

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Speaker 3: so the taxpayer is funding their own muzzling.

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Speaker 4: It's really quite perverse. Before you go, the isn't.

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Speaker 3: Far away, how much election interference do you expect to

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Speaker 3: see from the elite, the swamp, the whatever you want

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Speaker 3: to call them, The powerful and influential, from big tech

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Speaker 3: to intelligence agencies, and even the mainstream media, which are

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Speaker 3: some of them are just a barracking for one side

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Speaker 3: and ignoring stories that may hurt the Democrats. We've seen

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Speaker 3: that just this week.

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Speaker 6: That's absolutely right.

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Speaker 15: Read.

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Speaker 14: I think that the disinformation by the elites on behalf

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Speaker 14: of the Democrats never really stopped after twenty twenty. You know,

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Speaker 14: everybody saw that the media insisted that Joe Biden was

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Speaker 14: perfectly fine and that anybody who said differently was a

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Speaker 14: far right extremist. And then the debate occurred, and then

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Speaker 14: they were all caught embarrassed, and then they quickly reversed

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Speaker 14: on a diamond said that Biden had to go and

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Speaker 14: that he had to be removed in a very undemocratic way.

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Speaker 14: So Kamala Harris was never selected or elected by the

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Speaker 14: Democratic primary voters. It's just wave after wave of propaganda

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Speaker 14: for Kamala Harris right now. It's basically only positive for

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Speaker 14: Kamala Harris and the media and only negative for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 14: The media traditionally would be where you would expect to

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Speaker 14: find information about what the candidates would do. The media

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Speaker 14: are just obsessed with things like the kind of foods

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Speaker 14: that Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz make and kind of idiotic,

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Speaker 14: superficial banter, you know, dumb branding exercises anything to avoid

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Speaker 14: serious conversation of the biggest issues facing the country, which

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Speaker 14: are obviously inflation, the migration crisis, seemingly endless wars abroad,

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Speaker 14: and no real leadership at home. So unfortunately the media

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Speaker 14: have descended into the propaganda apparatus that George Orwell feared,

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Speaker 14: and the media is not satisfied with being able to

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Speaker 14: just you know, basically, you know, do propaganda. They also

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Speaker 14: want to censor any accurate information, alternative sources of information

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Speaker 14: that people might get through social media. So it's a

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Speaker 14: really tutulitarian instinct and desire for control that gets It's

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Speaker 14: always there, but it's particularly acute in the run up

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Speaker 14: to elections.

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Speaker 3: Oh it, control is the key word there, and it's

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Speaker 3: I think why they hate Elon Musk so much because

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Speaker 3: he's bought a platform where you can question the dominant

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Speaker 3: narrative and share opinions without fearing you're going to be banned, censored,

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Speaker 3: or suppressed. Michael Schellenberger, you do spectacular work. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for your time this evening.

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Speaker 14: Thanks for having me Rita and still to come.

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Speaker 4: I'm joined by an inspirational business woman.

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Speaker 3: You is sick and tired of white leftist activists and

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Speaker 3: they're patronizing treatment of black fight.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: My next guest is an African entrepreneur who has some

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Speaker 3: firm beliefs on the whole White Women for Kamala movement.

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Speaker 3: She believes economic freedom is the answer to poverty and

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Speaker 3: blaming racism for everything is a trap. She believes that

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Speaker 3: a nation could only prosper when it's leaders no history,

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Speaker 3: understand economics and lead with integrity. Maggett Wade is the

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Speaker 3: director of the Center for African Prosperity at the Atlas Network.

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Speaker 3: She's appeared in Ted Talks podcasts for the likes of

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Speaker 3: Jordan Peterson and Lex Friedman, and the Faces of X

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Speaker 3: series on race and capitalism, and you book The Heart

712
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Speaker 3: of a Cheetah, How We Have Been Like To about

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Speaker 3: African poverty and what that means for human flourishing is

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Speaker 3: out now. Maggatt Wade joins me now fantastic.

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Speaker 4: To have you with us.

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Speaker 3: You've argued that Africa's problems are not due to colonialism,

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Speaker 3: corruption or even bad leaders So why is the continent

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Speaker 3: afflicted with so much poverty and what could be done

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Speaker 3: to lift millions out of that poverty.

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Speaker 9: First of all, thank you so much for having me retay,

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Speaker 9: It's an honor and a pleasure. So yes, I do

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Speaker 9: make the case that Africa is not the poorest region

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Speaker 9: in the world because of colonialism or corruption per se,

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Speaker 9: or even the leadership. To me, I go back to

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Speaker 9: basic principles. Poverty is solved by prosperity. Prosperity is built

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Speaker 9: by entrepreneurs. What do entrepreneurs need? They need an enabling

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Speaker 9: business environment. Yet when you look there, you realize that

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Speaker 9: Africa is the most of a regulated region in the world.

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Speaker 9: What in plain English language it translates into is that

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Speaker 9: the African region is where many countries do not afford

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Speaker 9: their citizens there would be wealth creators aka entrepreneurs. That's

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Speaker 9: a region in the world where they have the least

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Speaker 9: economic freedom economic freedom index after another, one of them

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Speaker 9: being the doing business of a world of a gold bank,

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Speaker 9: another one being the heritage you know, economic freedom index

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Speaker 9: all of those indexes but measure how hard or easy

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Speaker 9: it is to start and run a business anywhere in

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Speaker 9: the world. Systematically show what this what it is that

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Speaker 9: I have gone through as an entrepreneur on the ground

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Speaker 9: in Africa and always being able to compare it to

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Speaker 9: also being an entrepreneur in a in the origin nation

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Speaker 9: like America. What these indexes show time time after time,

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Speaker 9: year after year after year, is that it is harder

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Speaker 9: to do business in almost anywhere in Subsiaran Africa than

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Speaker 9: it is anywhere in Scandinavia. In other plain English words,

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Speaker 9: Scandinavian nations are more capitalist than most African nations.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: And you've also made the point that blaming racism for

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Speaker 3: everything is a trap for black people and that they

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Speaker 3: need to be aware of that and have conversations around that.

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Speaker 4: It's an uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: Conversation for many, particularly in the West, where identity politics

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Speaker 3: and victimhood narratives have really taken a firm hold. How

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Speaker 3: is that reality check on race being received. Do you

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Speaker 3: get a lot of backlash from US UK when you

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Speaker 3: make statements like that, or.

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Speaker 9: I don't get the backlash only from the US. From

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Speaker 9: the UK, I get it also from my fellow black

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Speaker 9: people in Africa. You know, remember Africa is home to

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Speaker 9: ninety representatives of a black race, and they too too

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Speaker 9: often seem to have the same issue.

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Speaker 11: You know, we are stuck, We are.

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Speaker 9: Stuck in the paradigm of oh, we can't amount to

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Speaker 9: much because of racism. And as usual I call yes

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Speaker 9: on that.

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Speaker 11: You know, I do. I'm sorry, we do know that.

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Speaker 9: And so the problem I have with you putting your

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Speaker 9: position yourself in a position of victimhood. First of all,

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Speaker 9: you have to understand that I was very much raised

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Speaker 9: with this concept and this mantra of criticized by creating.

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Speaker 11: It's Michelangelo's to start with.

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Speaker 9: But it's this very idea that if the only valid

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Speaker 9: way of criticism, of criticizing anything is by offering an

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Speaker 9: alternative to that problem, it doesn't necessarily.

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Speaker 11: Have to be the right solution.

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Speaker 9: But like my father would say, he would say, don't

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Speaker 9: come to me with your problems.

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Speaker 11: I want to know that you have thought of solutions.

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Speaker 9: And I don't need you to necessarily have a right solution,

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Speaker 9: but I just want to know that you are in

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Speaker 9: solutions mode, because guess what, when you are in solutions mode,

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Speaker 9: you are in I own my agency mode and that's

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Speaker 9: the only mode from which any solution can come from.

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Speaker 11: And so that's a trap. When when I was thinking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when you think you're you're destined to be

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Speaker 3: a victim your whole life because of the color of

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Speaker 3: your skin, it can be a self fulfilling prophecy before

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Speaker 3: you go. The white Woman for Kamala movement was launched,

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Speaker 3: We saw that zoom call featuring hundreds of white females

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Speaker 3: giving each other tips on how to not speak over

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Speaker 3: misrepresent black people.

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Speaker 4: Is that the quick look?

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Speaker 15: BIPARC women have tapped us in as white women to

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Speaker 15: step up, listen and get involved the selection season as

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Speaker 15: weight women, we need to use our privilege to make

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Speaker 15: positive changes. If you find yourself talking over or speaking

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Speaker 15: for BIPARK individuals or god forbid, correcting them, just take

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Speaker 15: a bit and instead we can put our listening ears on.

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh ah, what do you think of that whole.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, White women for Kamala, the not talking over BIPOC

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Speaker 3: women always having this instruction all about how to deal

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Speaker 3: with black folk.

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Speaker 4: How do the modern democrats view black people? In your opinion?

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Speaker 9: Well, you see, for me and I had This is

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Speaker 9: an argument online with some people who are like, oh,

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Speaker 9: we're just trying to help you, you need to take

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Speaker 9: the help. And I'm like, so, for me, it's not

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Speaker 9: so much democrats, it's so much Republicans. It's I am

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Speaker 9: quite frankly disgusted and this woman makes me want to vomit.

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Speaker 11: As I was watching this again, I was.

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Speaker 9: Just like, oh, and first of all, do not proceed

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Speaker 9: to call me by pack or any other words like that, please.

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Speaker 11: And really always it's disgusting.

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Speaker 9: So that video, you know what I see, Rita, I

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Speaker 9: see this is how to handle a monkey. This is

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Speaker 9: how you deal with a monkey.

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Speaker 11: And I'm not a monkey, thank you very much.

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Speaker 9: So your condescension, I will always have an I don't care.

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Speaker 4: Who you are.

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Speaker 9: I don't need your condcide, your condescension, And that's what

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Speaker 9: disgusts me in all of this. Look at her, I mean,

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Speaker 9: just look at her.

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Speaker 4: But the yeah, I'm with you a thousand percent.

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Speaker 3: As a bipopwoman or whatever they call us, the way

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Speaker 3: they speak to some ethnic minorities and particularly black folk,

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Speaker 3: it is, it is just so condescending and just drips

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Speaker 3: of the bigotry of low expectations. We've loved having you

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Speaker 3: on the program. Maget I, we'll speak to you again.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time this evening.

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Speaker 11: Thank you so much for having me qureciate it.

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Speaker 3: And that's it from May. Up next is Newsnight. I'll

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Speaker 3: see you at eleven tomorrow Night with Douglas Murray.

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Speaker 4: Good night,