1
00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,559
Speaker 1: On scorn Lives Ostrodia.

2
00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,320
Speaker 2: This is the Wider Panalty Show.

3
00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,480
Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Reata Panecky Show. Coming

4
00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,840
Speaker 3: up tonight, Victoria's crime crisis hits a tipping point following

5
00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,200
Speaker 3: a horrific home.

6
00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,520
Speaker 4: Invasion over the weekend.

7
00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,200
Speaker 3: Patrick Carly and Colleen Harkin will join me to discuss

8
00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,360
Speaker 3: that and much more. The Great Josh Hammer will have

9
00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,400
Speaker 3: the latest from the US, including the law catching up

10
00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:34,960
Speaker 3: with some powerful nefarious characters. Miss Universe Australia and the

11
00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,199
Speaker 3: first runner up will join me and they have a

12
00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,360
Speaker 3: message for those who say beauty pageants are misogynistic. And

13
00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,160
Speaker 3: later in the hour, Kinsisko Field will tell me why

14
00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:49,199
Speaker 3: Tennis Great Serena Williams is under attack from feminists and

15
00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,920
Speaker 3: we never forget left He's losing it Tonight featuring this

16
00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,240
Speaker 3: charming lass Naga.

17
00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,640
Speaker 5: People deserve to be terrified and scared to walk in

18
00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,320
Speaker 5: the streets because they should know that real Americans can

19
00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:00,880
Speaker 5: kill them.

20
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,520
Speaker 3: But first of Victorious Crime Crisis, and we've seen yet

21
00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,119
Speaker 3: another horrific attack unfold over the weekend after a group

22
00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,520
Speaker 3: of up to ten machete wielding attackers gate crashed the

23
00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,560
Speaker 3: party held at an Airbnb property in Trugannina.

24
00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:27,880
Speaker 6: A scene of panic spills onto the street. A Trugannina

25
00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:34,320
Speaker 6: house party turns into a blood bark. It was almost

26
00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,760
Speaker 6: five am when up to ten armed men stormed the

27
00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,880
Speaker 6: short stay rental.

28
00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,320
Speaker 7: The crime scene was quite confronting. There was quite a

29
00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,000
Speaker 7: bit of damage and sniopy amount of blood.

30
00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,760
Speaker 6: Three men were stabbed, two of them suffered serious injuries.

31
00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,960
Speaker 6: The scene left witnesses on edge inside a horrific mess,

32
00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,680
Speaker 6: bloody flows and discarded wound dressings, alcohol bottles with anti

33
00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,000
Speaker 6: theft rings still attached. The trashed house was on Booking

34
00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,040
Speaker 6: dot com. This time. The attackers were gone before police arrived.

35
00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,040
Speaker 8: It is a revolving door of crime.

36
00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,000
Speaker 6: The machete amnesty starts in a week, but even the

37
00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,320
Speaker 6: Police Minister doesn't seem convinced.

38
00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,520
Speaker 3: We understand that there are those in acuity who won't

39
00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,440
Speaker 3: participate in the amnesty. According to the stats, Melbourne is

40
00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,080
Speaker 3: the home invasion capital of Australia.

41
00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,160
Speaker 4: The Daily Mails.

42
00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,800
Speaker 3: Porl Shapiro writing, I've covered courts and crime in Victoria

43
00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,320
Speaker 3: for more than eight years. I can't remember the streets

44
00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,760
Speaker 3: feeling so unsafe as the number of unsolved, brutal crimes

45
00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,720
Speaker 3: escalate and legendary crime writer Andrew Rule has issued a plea.

46
00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,640
Speaker 3: He wrote in The Herald Son. I've covered crime in

47
00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,040
Speaker 3: Victoria for most of the past forty five years, give

48
00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,440
Speaker 3: or tag. Now for the first time I worry about

49
00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,120
Speaker 3: my city and state where criminals have no fear of

50
00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,360
Speaker 3: the law, police can't contain them, and the courts and

51
00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,320
Speaker 3: government don't seem worried about stopping them. The result is

52
00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,280
Speaker 3: that ordinary, very decent people in the Heartland have fear

53
00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,880
Speaker 3: in their hearts. Joining me now for more on this

54
00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,280
Speaker 3: is News Corps and your writer Patrick Carline, and research

55
00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,360
Speaker 3: for at the Institute of Public Affairs, Colleen Harken. Patrick,

56
00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,640
Speaker 3: It's almost as if we need more than just these

57
00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:18,760
Speaker 3: machete bins.

58
00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,560
Speaker 2: Yes, they're a joke, aren't they really. They're going to

59
00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,360
Speaker 2: cost a fortune. They're not going to stop one of

60
00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,480
Speaker 2: these things happening. They're happening almost every day at the moment.

61
00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,040
Speaker 2: You had that poor bloke last week in the East

62
00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,000
Speaker 2: and southernbs of Melbourne, you stabed eleven times in his

63
00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,240
Speaker 2: own house, and you had his there were grandparents and

64
00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,880
Speaker 2: children in the house. You had five robberies where five

65
00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,000
Speaker 2: kids just went from shop to shop basically with machetes.

66
00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,640
Speaker 2: Two of them were on bail the next day. I think,

67
00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,400
Speaker 2: of course, how the hell does that happen? This has

68
00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,400
Speaker 2: been happening for years. Why hasn't anything changed. We are afraid,

69
00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,320
Speaker 2: we are.

70
00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,120
Speaker 3: And I think Andrew Rule made that point, Colleen, that

71
00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,160
Speaker 3: ordinary people are now afraid. I know you live bayside.

72
00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,680
Speaker 3: How bad is it because we've had these home invasions,

73
00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,240
Speaker 3: aggravated burglaries, We've got seventeen a day.

74
00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:13,320
Speaker 9: Correct, people are genuinely living in fear. Victoria's crime rate

75
00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,760
Speaker 9: has increased twenty percent just in the last twelve months.

76
00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,880
Speaker 9: And the age bracket of ten to seventeen year olds,

77
00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,760
Speaker 9: although they're responsible for thirteen percent of the crimes, they're

78
00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:28,040
Speaker 9: two thirds responsible for robberies, about half responsible for aggravated burglaries,

79
00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,039
Speaker 9: and about a quarter of car thefts. So this is

80
00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,760
Speaker 9: our people who are underage, you know, not mature age people.

81
00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,080
Speaker 9: It's not sort of petty crime. It is crime that

82
00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,880
Speaker 9: is really putting people fearful of having a quiet suburban

83
00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,799
Speaker 9: life in there suburbs. And the government's response is response

84
00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,799
Speaker 9: is to spend thirteen million dollars on MICHETI bin's thinking

85
00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,039
Speaker 9: that people will comply. You know, I'm sure that the

86
00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,320
Speaker 9: police would have loved that thirteen million dollars for a

87
00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,440
Speaker 9: few extra police on the road.

88
00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,120
Speaker 4: It seems mad and patrick.

89
00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,720
Speaker 3: One of the reactions from the left seems to be, well, well,

90
00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,600
Speaker 3: let's lower the age of criminal responsibility.

91
00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,520
Speaker 4: Let's make it a non.

92
00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:11,279
Speaker 3: Crime for these kids to be inflicting this on society.

93
00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,039
Speaker 3: I just feel like in this state, it's not just

94
00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,400
Speaker 3: the current government, it's not just the police hierarchy. It's

95
00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,640
Speaker 3: the entire machinery, the entire bureaucracy in the justice system

96
00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,440
Speaker 3: that has just got it so wrong.

97
00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,840
Speaker 2: And look, it's moving on that. I think as Andrew

98
00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,000
Speaker 2: Rule made the point, we're afraid it is. Actually, it's

99
00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,040
Speaker 2: not about whether bail is the right thing for fifteen

100
00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,560
Speaker 2: year old for the tenth time in a row, who

101
00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,640
Speaker 2: goes and does it again. It's about the fact that

102
00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,920
Speaker 2: people are unsafe, and I really do fear that somebody

103
00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,080
Speaker 2: is going to get killed at some point, and all

104
00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,200
Speaker 2: these do good, feel good sort of ways of trying

105
00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,960
Speaker 2: to handle this problem, they're going to look so ridiculous

106
00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,560
Speaker 2: and we're going to look at that death and we're

107
00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,480
Speaker 2: going to say this should never have happened.

108
00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,320
Speaker 3: Well, there is just this philosophy, Colleen, that if you

109
00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:02,360
Speaker 3: wrap your arms around these youth offenders, even once who

110
00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,279
Speaker 3: aren't youth of vendors, that's the way to rehabilitate them

111
00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,560
Speaker 3: and have them as lawful members of society.

112
00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,760
Speaker 4: But we've seen elsewhere got Singapore.

113
00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,919
Speaker 3: For example, when you have a hard law and order

114
00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,440
Speaker 3: philosophy where people are properly punished, then they are less

115
00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,040
Speaker 3: likely to commit crimes.

116
00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,280
Speaker 9: There's also a very big difference between a young kid

117
00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,960
Speaker 9: doing something stupid and a kid who's breaking into a

118
00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,239
Speaker 9: home with a machete and stabbing someone.

119
00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, they know that's wrong. They know that is wrong.

120
00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,800
Speaker 9: There is no wrapping your arms around a person like

121
00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,719
Speaker 9: that in saying, Cumbai, I hope you're okay. You know,

122
00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,800
Speaker 9: we have to actually get serious about irrelevant of their age.

123
00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,920
Speaker 9: Do you do know what you're doing is wrong when

124
00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,680
Speaker 9: you're stabbing someone and breaking into their home.

125
00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,839
Speaker 3: Now, people who are old enough to know better, we're

126
00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,800
Speaker 3: all over the country protesting. Over the weekend, we saw

127
00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,080
Speaker 3: what's been described as the largest national rally for Palestine

128
00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,839
Speaker 3: yet tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people across

129
00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:08,520
Speaker 3: Australia's capital cities. Cities were brought to a standstill. Some

130
00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,840
Speaker 3: of these protesters, I'm sure are well meaning, but a

131
00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,360
Speaker 3: lot of them are saying some terrible things, including denying

132
00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:19,000
Speaker 3: what happened.

133
00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:19,960
Speaker 4: On October seven.

134
00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,400
Speaker 1: Similar rallies took place around the country, demanding the Albanese

135
00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,720
Speaker 1: government sanction Israel. Some activists today calling the October seven

136
00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,000
Speaker 1: attack a hoax.

137
00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,119
Speaker 10: In every corner of our country, pro Palestine protesters shut

138
00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,280
Speaker 10: down city streets in what they say was their largest

139
00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:47,880
Speaker 10: national action yet. Melbourne lived up to its reputation as

140
00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:57,080
Speaker 10: the protest capital of Australia, with thousands blocking cars, trams

141
00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,640
Speaker 10: and pedestrians on what's now become a regular less Sunday

142
00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,720
Speaker 10: afternoon in our CBD.

143
00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,520
Speaker 11: We've come to be able to go to the bank.

144
00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,520
Speaker 11: We've just had all the commercial that is, we were

145
00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:08,720
Speaker 11: just like, what's going on here.

146
00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,600
Speaker 8: I can guarantee every single Palacetinian standing today does not.

147
00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,080
Speaker 12: Recognize the statehood that the Albanies and government has called for.

148
00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,679
Speaker 13: It is a power sign from the river through.

149
00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,960
Speaker 4: The sea, from the river to the sea.

150
00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,040
Speaker 3: We know what that means. An activists at the Sydney

151
00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,560
Speaker 3: March were treated to this die tribe from former Australian

152
00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:31,800
Speaker 3: of the Year Grace Team.

153
00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,559
Speaker 14: If we can get three hundred thousand people to block

154
00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,640
Speaker 14: the bridge, we can get three millions, we can get more.

155
00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,760
Speaker 4: Well, Colleen, how do you see this?

156
00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,800
Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of Australians who just hate

157
00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,040
Speaker 3: to see these overseas conflicts brought here and those sorts

158
00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,920
Speaker 3: of ancient hatreds, but there's no doubt that amongst left,

159
00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,800
Speaker 3: they are very much activated by this issue.

160
00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:01,520
Speaker 4: For sure.

161
00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,680
Speaker 9: To me, this is visual evidence of the failure of

162
00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:10,720
Speaker 9: multiculturalism in Australia, because Australia has been built on thousands

163
00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,800
Speaker 9: of people coming from all different countries, all different religions,

164
00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,800
Speaker 9: and putting their past problems behind them in order for

165
00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,680
Speaker 9: us to move forward and living together. And what we're

166
00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,560
Speaker 9: seeing now imported onto our streets as images of people

167
00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,360
Speaker 9: marching behind Iranian dictators, the burning of our own flag,

168
00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,640
Speaker 9: you know, sort of aligning themselves with people who don't

169
00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,160
Speaker 9: under who don't appreciate or value our freedoms, our equality

170
00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,320
Speaker 9: of women in particular and homosexuality, and they're sort of

171
00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,640
Speaker 9: lining up in there with this sort of you know,

172
00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,000
Speaker 9: effectively recognizing and supporting terrorism, and it's on our streets.

173
00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,600
Speaker 9: It's very worrying for what's happening to the divisiveness of

174
00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,920
Speaker 9: our own culture and the undermining of their own values.

175
00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,320
Speaker 3: But it's not just important hatreds, because as we saw

176
00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,920
Speaker 3: there with Grace Tame, and there were plenty of others

177
00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,480
Speaker 3: of these marches across the country.

178
00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,400
Speaker 4: Patrick, there's plenty.

179
00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:08,800
Speaker 3: Of university students born and bred in Australia, generations of

180
00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,360
Speaker 3: heritage in Australia who also hate this country, who think

181
00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,640
Speaker 3: we are built on stolen land, that should be ashamed

182
00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,400
Speaker 3: of modern Australia, and.

183
00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,480
Speaker 4: They share those sentiments as well.

184
00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,240
Speaker 2: Look, it comes from the extreme left. It's been allowed

185
00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,600
Speaker 2: to fester for too long, hasn't it. Really. We saw

186
00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,520
Speaker 2: a har mass flag in Brisbane at that really on weekend.

187
00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,120
Speaker 2: I mean, how are these things. I'm not saying they're allowed,

188
00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,240
Speaker 2: but they're not being sort of put down the way

189
00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,680
Speaker 2: that they ought to be in a sort of reflexive way.

190
00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,320
Speaker 2: We can't have this sort of chatter. We can't have

191
00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,040
Speaker 2: people behind the microphone saying Israel should be made extinct.

192
00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,520
Speaker 2: Let's make it extinct tomorrow. What about the Jewish community.

193
00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,200
Speaker 2: They've been suffering this really badly for more than eight

194
00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,520
Speaker 2: eight months now. How safe do they feel. We've panned

195
00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,400
Speaker 2: into these extreme elements in a way that has allowed

196
00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,000
Speaker 2: those elements to get bolder.

197
00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,280
Speaker 3: I think I've spoke to a leader in the Jewish

198
00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,240
Speaker 3: community recently and they said they've never seen the environment

199
00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,680
Speaker 3: like this, and so many people within the Jewish community

200
00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,280
Speaker 3: are now looking at a plan B, looking at to

201
00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,720
Speaker 3: leave Australia, which is really quite shameful. Now to a

202
00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,040
Speaker 3: disturbing report from ABC, and they deserve praise for the

203
00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,440
Speaker 3: investigative work they've done here in revealing the manner in

204
00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,760
Speaker 3: which some activists are being radicalized, and that these rallies

205
00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,800
Speaker 3: have been attended by a convicted ISIS recruiter and a

206
00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,480
Speaker 3: radical Muslim preacher.

207
00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:40,120
Speaker 8: I have a look.

208
00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,920
Speaker 11: This is the moment a protester came face to face

209
00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,960
Speaker 11: with a convicted terrorist on the Sydney Harbor Bridge. ABC

210
00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,080
Speaker 11: Investigations has revealed how supportives of the Islamic State Terrorist

211
00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,880
Speaker 11: Group or ISIS, are exploiting the anti war movement to

212
00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,839
Speaker 11: radicalize young Australians. This man is victored ISIS recruiter. USEUF,

213
00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,040
Speaker 11: you ain't At. He was jailed for encouraging teenagers to

214
00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,280
Speaker 11: launch attacks. You ain't At walked free less than two

215
00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,280
Speaker 11: years ago without any restrictions. He convinced a judge he deradicalized.

216
00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,880
Speaker 11: But at the Gars of War protest, if he posed

217
00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,120
Speaker 11: on the bridge with this flag, it's a common Islamic

218
00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,960
Speaker 11: symbol called the Shahada, which has been appropriated by Isis

219
00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,120
Speaker 11: and al Qaeder. He was at the protest with a

220
00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,840
Speaker 11: notorious preacher with some herdad. If you attack a lot,

221
00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,280
Speaker 11: then you are going to be mets with men who

222
00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,000
Speaker 11: love death more than you love life.

223
00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,480
Speaker 3: Patrick, We are seeing some virulent anti semitism at some

224
00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,839
Speaker 3: of these rallies. We're seeing anti vest propaganda. We're hearing

225
00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,680
Speaker 3: about people being radicalized. This is going to be a

226
00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,400
Speaker 3: lasting problem. This isn't going to go away once this

227
00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,559
Speaker 3: conflict is finished.

228
00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,600
Speaker 2: It's scary. And look, I agree with you that that's

229
00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,480
Speaker 2: a great piece of journalism there. And my fear is

230
00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,760
Speaker 2: they've got example here where these radicals are coming into

231
00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,439
Speaker 2: protests where very extreme language is being used. As it is,

232
00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,760
Speaker 2: are there a dozen other sort of sets of radicals

233
00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,760
Speaker 2: actually seeking the same sorts of things. At the moment,

234
00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,840
Speaker 2: it does make you really scared because they could do something,

235
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,960
Speaker 2: they could actually blow up something, they could name dozens

236
00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,080
Speaker 2: of people. And this is happening here in Australia today.

237
00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,160
Speaker 2: And as we were saying that the fever is getting hotter.

238
00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and Colin, we saw that during the Caliphate the

239
00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,720
Speaker 3: number of Australians who went over to join the Caliphate

240
00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,920
Speaker 3: and to fight with Islamic State, So we know that

241
00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:43,800
Speaker 3: element exists already.

242
00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, and Ridy, you can only live in peace if

243
00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,840
Speaker 9: your enemy lets you. And so what's happening here is

244
00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,920
Speaker 9: that we're allowing this kind of enemy fighting thing to continue.

245
00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,720
Speaker 9: It's not being shut down. To Patrick's point earlier, that

246
00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,280
Speaker 9: we're allowing it to fester in our own stuff tbs,

247
00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,240
Speaker 9: in our own streets. And we've got these people who

248
00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,480
Speaker 9: are radicalizing our young people, you know, pretending that it's

249
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,120
Speaker 9: a pathway to some kind of you know, we just

250
00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,520
Speaker 9: heard him say like preferred death in life. I mean,

251
00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,040
Speaker 9: that's extraordinary to allow that sort of conversation and that tenement,

252
00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,720
Speaker 9: that narrative to be part of Australian story at the moment.

253
00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Colin Harkin, Patrick Carline, thanks for your Times Now

254
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,400
Speaker 3: last week, I was in Perth and I was lucky

255
00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,680
Speaker 3: enough to attend Miss Universe and asked the five finalists

256
00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,160
Speaker 3: the final question. I made sure it was a hard

257
00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,880
Speaker 3: one about the number of childless millennial women and the

258
00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,400
Speaker 3: personal and societal impacts of that trend. But all five

259
00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,000
Speaker 3: were up to the task and I'm delighted to welcome

260
00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,120
Speaker 3: the final two. Joining me now is Miss Universe Australia,

261
00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,280
Speaker 3: Alexi Brand. She joins me from the Gold Coast, and

262
00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,720
Speaker 3: we also have the runner up, the first runner up,

263
00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,840
Speaker 3: Ivy Prempe in Perth. First of all, congratulations to you both.

264
00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,720
Speaker 4: Lexie. I'll start with you. There are a lot of

265
00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,040
Speaker 4: folks out there who.

266
00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,360
Speaker 3: See beauty pageants as outdated. They say it's degrading to women.

267
00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,520
Speaker 3: Tell me what your experience has been like and why you,

268
00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,320
Speaker 3: as a young professional woman, got involved.

269
00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,200
Speaker 15: I think the Miss Universe Australia program is completely different

270
00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,160
Speaker 15: to what you'll see in the movies and what you'll

271
00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,240
Speaker 15: see in maybe those more outdated pageants that we see today.

272
00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,720
Speaker 15: Even our directors say it's a party or a program,

273
00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,560
Speaker 15: it's definitely not a pageant. Throughout the whole nine months

274
00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,040
Speaker 15: that we've been doing this, I've experienced that think, but

275
00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,720
Speaker 15: just professional development and such immense joy and I've loved

276
00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,400
Speaker 15: getting to all the girls and at a Queensland level.

277
00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,840
Speaker 15: It was the reason I really got into it was

278
00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,240
Speaker 15: because there was such a degree of personal development that

279
00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,640
Speaker 15: I still had to go in my life. And I

280
00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,760
Speaker 15: entered when I was twenty and I was ready to

281
00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,640
Speaker 15: take the next step in how I present myself and

282
00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,960
Speaker 15: what I know about the world, and Miss univers Assarlia

283
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,240
Speaker 15: has definitely done that for me. So I've been able

284
00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,360
Speaker 15: to take a new level on what I know in

285
00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,680
Speaker 15: the world and a new level of how I can

286
00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,280
Speaker 15: contribute to society.

287
00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,800
Speaker 3: Ivy, the girls raised an enormous amount of money for charity,

288
00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,400
Speaker 3: and you raised awareness for a number of important issues

289
00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,200
Speaker 3: as well. I've got to say you were very brave

290
00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,920
Speaker 3: on the night. You did not shy away from answering

291
00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,000
Speaker 3: questions in a manner that some may see is polarizing.

292
00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,720
Speaker 3: Where does that strength come from?

293
00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,240
Speaker 12: Yeah, So going into this program my whole I guess

294
00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,200
Speaker 12: like the whole part of it for me was just

295
00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,520
Speaker 12: just really stay true to myself and my faith is

296
00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,440
Speaker 12: a really big part of my life growing up, you know,

297
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,760
Speaker 12: as a minority in this country, I've always been taught

298
00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,640
Speaker 12: to just be as strong as I can be, and really,

299
00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,440
Speaker 12: if I believe in something, to really push forward and

300
00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,280
Speaker 12: really talk about it with pumpdence. And that's really where

301
00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,080
Speaker 12: it comes from. You know, my whole family, they've always

302
00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,399
Speaker 12: been so behind me speaking out and it's just something

303
00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,600
Speaker 12: that has just been ingrained in me since I was

304
00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,760
Speaker 12: a child.

305
00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,720
Speaker 3: Well, you did a fantastic job, and Lexi, as I said,

306
00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,560
Speaker 3: beauty pageants have been described by some feminist as a

307
00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,720
Speaker 3: manifestation of the patriarchy.

308
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,840
Speaker 4: Some of these naysays have.

309
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,399
Speaker 3: Described them in terms that are fairly dramatic and misogynistic.

310
00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,440
Speaker 3: Meat Market was one of my favorites.

311
00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:36,160
Speaker 8: Ivy.

312
00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,479
Speaker 3: How has your experience been You have got a strong

313
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,399
Speaker 3: Christian faith. Do you do you feel in any way

314
00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,560
Speaker 3: objectified throughout this process?

315
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,160
Speaker 12: Honestly, I didn't feel objectified at all. It's like Lexi said,

316
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,720
Speaker 12: it's not really a pageant, it's more of a party.

317
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,280
Speaker 12: Everyone is super welcoming. I got to spend weeks with

318
00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,320
Speaker 12: the most incredible women across the Astralia and really shout

319
00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,200
Speaker 12: out to them as well because it was honestly, we

320
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,280
Speaker 12: have this bond for life now. But no It's definitely

321
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,359
Speaker 12: something that really just helps you become a better person

322
00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,320
Speaker 12: all round. So it's definitely not something that I thought

323
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,440
Speaker 12: interfered with my faith at all. Everyone was super open

324
00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,960
Speaker 12: to me talking about it, and everyone was just really

325
00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,120
Speaker 12: understanding and they wanted to learn more, which I thought

326
00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,120
Speaker 12: was really great.

327
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a really nice thing. I think there

328
00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,840
Speaker 3: was just an everyone had an open mind. No one

329
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,360
Speaker 3: was going to get offended by you talking about how

330
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,560
Speaker 3: important your faith is in your life.

331
00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:37,919
Speaker 4: Lexi.

332
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,240
Speaker 3: You're off to Thailand for Miss Universe. The global contest.

333
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,399
Speaker 3: Australia hasn't had a winner since Jennifer Hawkins back in

334
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,199
Speaker 3: two thousand and four. We've only had two winners in

335
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,080
Speaker 3: the history of Miss Universe. It's a lot of pressure.

336
00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:52,920
Speaker 3: How are you feeling.

337
00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,120
Speaker 15: I'm actually not feeling too bad. I've got a lot

338
00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,280
Speaker 15: of support around me. I'm very grateful. I've got the

339
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,280
Speaker 15: former Missy Universs Australia's are We Creed and our walking

340
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,960
Speaker 15: coach Thelma in my state, so I am absolutely filled

341
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:08,600
Speaker 15: with support.

342
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:09,639
Speaker 1: I was just in.

343
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,040
Speaker 15: Melbourne and I've got a whole family down there, so

344
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 15: I can feel Australia support behind me. So I'm not nervous.

345
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Australia is going to get behind you and the

346
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,720
Speaker 3: next Miss Universe Lexi brand. It sounds right to me, ladies,

347
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,560
Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time tonight.

348
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 12: Thank you, thank you so much for having us.

349
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:32,119
Speaker 4: Still to come.

350
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 3: Lefties losing it plus the lasias from the US, including

351
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,439
Speaker 3: the law catching up with some powerful nefarious characters. The

352
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 3: Great Josh Hammer joins me. Next, you're watching the Reader

353
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 3: Panny Show, and it's time for Lefties losing it. Let's

354
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 3: start the program hearing from a tolerant, loving and inclusive

355
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 3: lefty who is calling on her fellow lefties to what

356
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 3: should their political opponents. No, really, that's what she's saying.

357
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 3: And yes she's got those crazy eyes.

358
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 16: Okay, guys, So I would like to start a new

359
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 16: movement called Sea Maga Maga because people like that respond

360
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 16: to fear and terror and aggression, not logic and empathy.

361
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 16: And I don't know intelligence, it doesn't work for them,

362
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 16: So that fear works.

363
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 5: So if we all get our guns and use our

364
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 5: Second Amendment rate and our common sense.

365
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 4: At this point, this administration is begging us to rise

366
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 4: up and rework.

367
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 5: And you see somebody with a magaht give you.

368
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 14: That's what we do.

369
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 3: Just imagine the echo chamber, this lunatic existing that she

370
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 3: thought it was a good idea to say this, to

371
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 3: tape this, and then put it on the.

372
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 5: Sway, put them back in their basements and make them

373
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 5: scared again to be Greci's home for make a terrible,

374
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 5: just awful piece, because.

375
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 8: I would may rather an ex emigance and manga people.

376
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 5: Maga people deserve to be terrified and scared to walk

377
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 5: in the streets because they should know that real Americans

378
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 5: are going.

379
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 4: To kill them.

380
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 3: And if you thought that was bad, she's now doubled

381
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 3: down and is singing.

382
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 4: Her death threats.

383
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: I really think it's time to reopen the asylums, all

384
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 3: of them.

385
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 7: See Naga pew Pu Mega, see.

386
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 16: Lego his mother.

387
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 7: We here to play.

388
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 16: You can't run around them with their neighbors. You can't

389
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 16: be a homophobic piece.

390
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: You can't just be generally.

391
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 3: I wonder if the authorities have caught up with her yet.

392
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 3: Now I think we need to hear from the opposite

393
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 3: of whatever that was. Here is my gal, Sarah Gonzales,

394
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 3: and she had me worried here for just a second.

395
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I am literally shaking right now. I

396
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 4: just read the news that John Bolton's home was just

397
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 4: rated by the FBI. We knew this was going to

398
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 4: happen at the exact same time.

399
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 7: It was being rated.

400
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: Cash Betel posted on x no one is above the law,

401
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 4: and I just want to make one thing really clear.

402
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 4: I voted for this a isn't she fabulous? I love

403
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 4: her now. One of the best ways to handle lefties is.

404
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: To lampoon them, mock them till they cry, and then

405
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 3: mock them for crying.

406
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 4: We love works of satire like this.

407
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 13: We're gender fluid. You can only be allowed in our

408
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 13: LGBQWSTYS community if you have pink, green, or blue hair.

409
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: Turnd up for right rights?

410
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 13: Where gender floid? When you join our community, you get

411
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 13: a free stept in person. Stand up for your rights. Everyone,

412
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 13: sturnd up. We're gender fluid. This tree misgendered me.

413
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,719
Speaker 2: It's literally jealousy.

414
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 13: We're gender fluid. We shouted people that missgender us, even

415
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 13: though we don't know our gender half the time.

416
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 8: Don't not be your rights now?

417
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 6: How did you come to mind the tea?

418
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: Now?

419
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: The era of the unfunny comic is almost over. You

420
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 3: know who I mean the Hannah Gadsby types who inflict

421
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: leftist lectures on their audiences rather than any laughs. That

422
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: era is almost over, but not quite because look at

423
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 3: who's being celebrated in Edinburgh. Yes it's a British comedian.

424
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 3: You've never heard of trans comic Sam Nikresty.

425
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 4: If only he was funny. They really think they got

426
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: us nailed on sports.

427
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 17: Look at the trans women that's so good at throwing.

428
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: I've got an unfair physical.

429
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 17: Advantage of all the old bit of sports where someone

430
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 17: has an unfair physical advantage. That's not my scene, but

431
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 17: is someone's born with good knees and then they win.

432
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 17: Right If I'm in a race with you, Saint Bowl, I'm.

433
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 4: Not standing there like, well, this is very run.

434
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 17: Faster than me. The sports one person wine of professional

435
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 17: sorts players are losers for a living.

436
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 4: And I don't know who hears me say it. Yeah,

437
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 4: that's as good as it got.

438
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 3: And that act, that deeply unfunny therapy session won the

439
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: Best Comedy show at this year's Edinburgh Fridge.

440
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 17: It's not just a gender thing, because believe me, if

441
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 17: I started playing women's rugby, those.

442
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 11: Women would snap my spine.

443
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 17: The subtext of these arguments when it comes to trans

444
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 17: women is always the same. Men are pretending to be

445
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 17: women in order to invade female only spaces, sports, prisons,

446
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 17: toilets lush, always the same. Don't get why like hack

447
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 17: comedians hate them so much, take into the airwaves to

448
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 17: express that approbrium of the gender neutral toilet brigade. I

449
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 17: for hack comedians would love gender neutral toilets.

450
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 3: That as funny as an ingrown tone. Now, now let's

451
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: check in on the Democrat that's in the Great State

452
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: of Florida.

453
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 4: This next rep is.

454
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 3: Having a little meltdown because Governor Ron de sand has

455
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: painted over a rainbow crossing and made it look.

456
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: Like an actual crossing.

457
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 14: Here everyone is representative on a Viesquimani and I'm here

458
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 14: right now at the Pulse Rainbow Crosswalk. That after thought

459
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 14: was appropriate to sneak into our community in the middle

460
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 14: of the night and to totally erase who decided it

461
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 14: was appropriate to a rese and it's higher community here

462
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 14: in Orlando. We're not gonna let it stand. Read everything

463
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 14: we can to restore this crosswater, but also fight back

464
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 14: against the extremism coming out of both cit of Florida

465
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 14: and the White House.

466
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 4: Now, there is a divide in America.

467
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: It's a divide between the cities and smaller towns, as

468
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: a divide between blue and red states and cities.

469
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 4: If you want to see.

470
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 3: Real America, then forget about la in San Francisco and

471
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: New York. Head south for a road trip through places

472
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: like Texas, Tennessee, and flo Florida.

473
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 4: It's a different country.

474
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 3: It's practically a different world, a better one. And that's

475
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: why so many New Yorkers and Californians and other Blue

476
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 3: state dwellers are fleeing to the Red states. And here

477
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis explains his full proof political strategy.

478
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 7: I actually do have a cheat code to be governor

479
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 7: of Florida. I just look at what California and Illinois,

480
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 7: New York, but particularly California. I look what they're doing,

481
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 7: and I just do the opposite, and that works out

482
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 7: very well. They allow homeless to take over major cities.

483
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 7: We don't do that in Florida. They are a sanctuary state.

484
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 7: They give illegal aliens benefits and invite them in. We

485
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 7: do the opposite.

486
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: But, as Ron de Santus explains, the lunacy and reckless

487
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 3: leftist policies of blue states still impact the whole country.

488
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 7: They issued a commercial driver's license to an illegal alien

489
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 7: who didn't speak English, worked for a California company, and

490
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 7: he ended up killing three people in Florida recently, and

491
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 7: we're now holding him accountable. But their policies are not

492
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 7: only been bad for California, they are spilling over into

493
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 7: other states and has been very, very destructive.

494
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: Joining me now is Newsweek Senior Editor at Large and

495
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: Article three Projects Senior Council Josh Hammer. Josh, you're one

496
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: of the millions of Americans who in recent years has

497
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: moved south, moved to a red state. Tell me about

498
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: the two Americas and why you made the decision to move.

499
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I've actually lived in multiple of America's iconic

500
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 8: read states. I've been in Florida now for four years. Actually,

501
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 8: my Florida versary is actually this very weeks. I've been

502
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 8: here for four years. I actually altered four. I did

503
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 8: a four year stint in Texas as well. So I've

504
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 8: actually lived a number of years now in America's two

505
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 8: iconic red states. I was actually also born in New

506
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 8: York State. I went to law school in Chicago, lived

507
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 8: in Washingt, d C. So I've really seen I've really

508
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 8: seen both extremest. I can boil it down to to

509
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 8: I think a very simple dichotomy, which is that life

510
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 8: is easy in red states, life is harder in blue states.

511
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 8: You are taxed more in blue states. You have to

512
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 8: turn around behind your back when you're walking in the

513
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 8: urban streets in blue states because you don't know what

514
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 8: kind of criminal or what kind of illegal alien is

515
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 8: going to come there. I actually learned this the hard

516
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 8: way yet again. Just a few years ago, I was

517
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 8: taking my then girlfriend now my wife to Chicago. It

518
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 8: was our first time ever visiting. There was kind of

519
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 8: a law school union thing for me. Her luxury purse

520
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 8: was stolen in broad Daylight in Streeterville, which is actually

521
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 8: one of the most well to do neighborhoods in all

522
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 8: of Chicago. This is not kind of south side Chicago.

523
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 8: This is not Southwest Chicago. This is not gang banging violence.

524
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 8: This is like real kind of like wealthy inner city

525
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 8: downtown Chicago, like like Professor's academics live there there, you know,

526
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 8: in Washington, d C. I mean, my goodness, gracious read,

527
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 8: I've basically cut down my visits to DC in part,

528
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 8: at least until Trump's craft, and I was trying to

529
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 8: limit my visits because it's just not as pleasant a

530
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 8: place to be anymore there. But on the other side,

531
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 8: when I was living in Greg Gabbett's Texas, and certainly

532
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 8: now in Ron the Santa's Is Florida, there life is

533
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 8: just a breeze there. I mean, the homeless situation there.

534
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 8: We barely notice it here in South Florida. We obviously

535
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 8: are a tax exceedingly low there, and government fundamentally is

536
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 8: out to just make your life easier. That really, I think,

537
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 8: is how I get some of the difference. Life harder

538
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 8: Blue states, life easier Red states. And by the way,

539
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 8: the dsceniel US Census shows very clear that all sorts

540
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 8: of people are doing exactly what I did. The major

541
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 8: blue states California and New York, Illinois, Connecticut, New Jersey,

542
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 8: they're all hemburaging citizens. They're all flocking to Texas, Tennessee, Arizona,

543
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 8: North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida of course as well there.

544
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 8: So the stats don't lie as they say as well.

545
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: They don't, but sometimes they bring their politics. Josh, and

546
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: I think you only have to look at Austin, Texas

547
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: to say that, because I don't know, that doesn't feel

548
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: like Texas any morning time i'm there.

549
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 4: It feels a little bit California to me. You see the.

550
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: Homelessness like you don't see in other parts of Texas.

551
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: You see general decay and all sorts of other unpleasantness. Now,

552
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: let's talk about the raid on the home of former

553
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: National Security advisor John Bolton.

554
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: That would be this character.

555
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 7: One doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt a coup.

556
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 16: I disagree with that as somebody who has helped plan

557
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 16: coup d'eta not here, but you know, other places.

558
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, Josh, tell me about this rate. It

559
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: appears that it's not just over the classified information that

560
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 3: may or may not be in his book or the

561
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: classified documents he.

562
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: May have sent to family members.

563
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: It may also be connected to any role he played

564
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: in the Russian collusion hoax. Yeah.

565
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 8: So, first of all, reader, I mean, what an amazing

566
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 8: clip that was. I mean, this has been around for

567
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 8: a few years, but John Bolton just literally saying like, yeah,

568
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 8: I've actually helped plan cudtas in other countries there, I

569
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 8: have helped plan your color revolutions. There I mean, I mean,

570
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 8: this is basically the encapsulation. This is the personification of

571
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 8: the neo conservative foreign policy that the entire Trump movement

572
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 8: utterly just tass and fundamentally rejects. And because John Bolton

573
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 8: Donald Trump simply do not see it die on these issues.

574
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 8: Ever since he was fired as National Security Advisor back

575
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 8: during the first Trump term, he has been on a

576
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 8: sustained now basically six year long bender where he basically

577
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 8: just goes on cable news, he goes to the to

578
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 8: the tabloids, the broadsheets, whoever will publish him or take

579
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 8: his quotations, and just trashes Donald Trump from A to Z.

580
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 8: And part of that has been a long standing, very

581
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 8: very strong, i would say, close to ubiquitous, sneaking suspicion

582
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 8: that John Bolton is laundering classmen information that he still

583
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 8: has retained from his time as National Security Advisor in

584
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 8: attempt to just be smirched and then undermine Donald Trump

585
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 8: by any means necessary. Now, it's interesting Rita, As the

586
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 8: New York Posts among others, reported, there there actually was

587
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 8: in the final days of the first trum Trump ministration

588
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty potential attempt to do something similar to

589
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 8: John Bolton at that time, to try to make sure

590
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 8: go into his home, see what he was doing there.

591
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 8: Was he actually leaky? Was he not? And then the

592
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 8: transition happened, very chaotic transition January sixth, all that Biden

593
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 8: comes in and the Biden DOJ and the Biden FBI

594
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 8: spike it. So the Biden DOJ actually spiked this planned

595
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 8: rate of this plan investigation, just trying to cover for

596
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 8: John Bolton for the very simple reason that he's now

597
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 8: vehementally empty Trump. So look fundamentally, Riata, I will say this,

598
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 8: I have not seen the surch Warrens. No American other

599
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 8: than law enforcement, the magistrate judge has seen the search

600
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 8: warrant there. I feel extremely confident that there is no

601
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 8: worlds in which Pam bonded the Attorney General in cash Matelo,

602
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 8: the FBI director. There is no world what so freaking

603
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 8: ever where they would have ordered this raid unless they

604
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 8: had the goods there. So I feel pretty confident that

605
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 8: we're going to learn a lot more about this than

606
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 8: the week I had there, And I would be I

607
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 8: would just try to lawyer up frankly, if I were

608
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 8: John Bolton right now.

609
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: Yep, there's got to be accountability, and as we are

610
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: fond of saying, no one is.

611
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 4: Above the law.

612
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: But the leftist media is painting this as some sort

613
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: of surely political exercises. The same media who couldn't detect

614
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: the political persecution of Donald Trump and the law fair

615
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: that was waged against him, his family and some of

616
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: his closest supporters. I want to bring to your attention

617
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: this from the Washington Post because that can see nothing

618
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: but political interference. The Washington Post editorial board wrote, it

619
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: is a valid fear that the case against John Bolton

620
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: is a fresh instance of the old Soviet saying show

621
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: me the man and I'll show you the crime. Josh,

622
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: what's your response to that? We literally had an attorney

623
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: general campaigning on a Get Trump ticket, but apparently a

624
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: warmonger and serial leaker like John Bolton is beyond scrutiny.

625
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, reader Marais Bonston Washington Post is very simple, which

626
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 8: is frankly, just go to hell. I mean, like, whoever

627
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 8: wrote those words should be fired, I mean literally fired

628
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 8: at best, I mean tard and feathered. Maybe back in

629
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 8: the day would have been a more appropriate punishment there.

630
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 8: I mean, where the hell have you people? Din, I mean,

631
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 8: as you accurately say. Tiss James, the Attorney General of

632
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 8: New York State, literally traversed the entire state of New

633
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 8: York back in twenty eighteen, saying, if you elect me

634
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 8: as attorney general of your state, when the nation's largest state,

635
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 8: I will do whatever it takes, by any means necessary,

636
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 8: to sue and to prosecute and to bankrupt Donald Trump

637
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 8: and the Trump organization. There. You know, back in English

638
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 8: common law, we would have called this a bill of

639
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 8: a tanger, which is an illegitimate piece of legislation, or

640
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 8: in this case, a campaign stump promise to single out

641
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 8: a named party, not a neutral thing. There. But I mean,

642
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 8: how about so called special counsel Jack Smith. By the way,

643
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 8: I call him so called still to this day, because

644
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 8: he's actually not a legitimate special council. Hold that aside,

645
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 8: you know, Merrick Garland, Jack Smith, are you kidding me

646
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 8: right now? I mean, show me the man. I will

647
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 8: find you. The crime Alvin Bragg in New York City,

648
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 8: the Stormy Daniels Michael Cullins suit, the stupid attempt to

649
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 8: to try to fabricate an alter at the beginning of

650
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 8: the tolling and the statue of limitations to account for

651
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 8: this New York State corporate bookkeeping fraudulent crap from twenty sixteen.

652
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 8: Give me a break, reader, These people have no leg

653
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 8: to stand done whatsoever. It is ludicrous, it is shameful. Unfortunately,

654
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 8: it's part of the course for the Washington Compost these days.

655
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: It is, and sadly much of the coverage we're getting

656
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: in this country follows that because they just basically regurgitate

657
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: MSNBC talking points. Now, Donald Trump did have another huge

658
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 3: win late last week with one of the law fare

659
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: cases against him collapsing. Josh. This was again another absurd

660
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 3: case from the start. It was a political hig job

661
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: carried out by Letitia James and a partisan New York judge.

662
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: It was a judge only trial.

663
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 3: No jury, and Josh New York Appeals Court last week

664
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 3: dismissed the five hundred million dollar civil fraud penalty. Tell

665
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: me about this really threatened Donald Trump's empire. It could

666
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: have bankrupted him and would have impacted his children. It

667
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 3: was again on its face absurd, but he was facing

668
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 3: this five hundred million dollar payoff.

669
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 8: So Rita, it's very easy to forget about all the

670
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 8: various tentacles of the democratic lawfare complex. So Jack Smith,

671
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 8: the Federal Special Council had these two cases, one in Washington,

672
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 8: DC for January sixth, one in Florida. That's the Marrow

673
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 8: Lago classified documents. Then you had Fannie Willis in Fulton County, Georgia.

674
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 8: She was the local Georgia prosecutor doing a similar kind

675
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 8: of January six ish related prosecution there. Then you had

676
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 8: Alvin Bragg in New York City, who we were just

677
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 8: talking about with Michael Cohen Stormy Daniels, this stupid hush

678
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 8: pinny painting thing. And then you had Tiss James, the

679
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 8: Attorneian General of New York State, who filed technically a

680
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 8: civil lawsuit but kind of very much looks and feels

681
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 8: like an active prosecution there. And her basic theory of

682
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 8: the case, if you could even call it a case,

683
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 8: was that the Trump organization, through Donald Trump, Eric Trump,

684
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 8: Donald Trump Junior, and the other executives and officers of

685
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 8: the organization there, that they essentially kind of fibbed the

686
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 8: numbers a little bit on their applications for bank loans

687
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 8: in order to secure interest rates anymore a failed break.

688
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 8: First of all, I have news for Tiss James. Literally

689
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 8: every person I've ever spoken to who is who's done

690
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 8: this has done something similar. There is apparently a pervative

691
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 8: practice to the point of ubiquity, and frankly financial intitutions expected.

692
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 8: But the more important point is this rita, which is

693
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 8: that the Trump organization, whatever they were calling certain assets,

694
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 8: whether they were subjectively appraised. One we're talking here about

695
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 8: investment banks like Deutsche Bank, bulge Brack investment banks, do

696
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 8: your own appraisal work, first of all, Second of all,

697
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 8: more for the point, the most important point of all,

698
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 8: they were happy to do business with a Trump organization.

699
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 8: In fact, Deutsche Bank the number one financial institution intermediary

700
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 8: that was at issue in this case. There rita. They

701
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 8: literally wanted to do more business with a Trump organization.

702
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 8: There was no victim here, There was literally no victim,

703
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 8: but that didn't stop Justice Arthuring Goron from slapping a

704
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 8: five hundred million dollars approximately penalty. There so just completely

705
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 8: or willion stuff. But by the way, this case, as

706
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 8: a New York native, this case was not just about

707
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 8: the Trump organization. If this penalty had stuck, if this

708
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 8: penalty had stuck read up, that would have sent the

709
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 8: most chilling signal imaginable to real estate, to investors, to

710
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 8: venture capitals. Why would you go start a business in

711
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 8: New York State if the Attorney General can say that

712
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 8: you are poking the books a little bit, even though

713
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 8: they want to give you a loan anyway, and then

714
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 8: all of a sudden you're out half a billion dollars.

715
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 8: But unfortunately, with the seeming election coming very soon of

716
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 8: Zora Mamdani, I think New York are probably going to

717
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 8: get it one way or the other. Unfortunate.

718
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: And the value that they have scribed to Mara Lago

719
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: again absurd.

720
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 4: I mean from over.

721
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: Here in Australia, I could look at similar properties that

722
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: have got that sort of price and you would not

723
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: get at one hundredth of mari A Lago for that

724
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: price alone. The whole thing. I mean, it was crazy.

725
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: Now we've got another company being accused of going woke, Josha,

726
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: perhaps going broke, well, if not broke, they've seen their

727
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 3: share price plummet fairly traumatic that this is cracker Barrel

728
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: and their share price dived over a rebrand. Tell me

729
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: why this is so many people upset? And the manner

730
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 3: in which woke is now becoming a risk factor.

731
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 8: So read a Cracker Barrel is an iconic Southern restaurant

732
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 8: chain here in the United States. I know that well

733
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 8: because I live in Texas, I said, I also went

734
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 8: to university in North Carolina and North Carolina Tennessee, South Carolina.

735
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 8: This is like Cracker Barrel, USA. So I know a

736
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 8: thing or two about Crackerbewl. Cracker Barrel is my iconic

737
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 8: Southern restaurant there with an iconic logo that is frequented

738
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 8: by by predominantly Southern people who go for the food

739
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 8: and also the decor. You walk into a Cracker Barrel,

740
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 8: it's filled with all sorts of Americana and kind of

741
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 8: hunting memorabilia and things like that. So in comes this

742
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 8: new woke CEO, and she really is woke. I literally

743
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 8: looked at this woman's face and my very first reaction is,

744
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 8: why is she not co hosting an MSNBC show with

745
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 8: Rachel Maddow. I mean this, I mean this one fundamentally

746
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 8: belongs either on MSNBC or in the Harvard Kennedy School faculty.

747
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 12: Low.

748
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 8: She has no business whatsoever running a business that predominantly

749
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 8: caters to Southern Americans. There and the giveaway Rita is

750
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 8: that the CEO when she unveiled this policy to get

751
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 8: rid of the old iconic logo and bringing this kind

752
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 8: of neuter and water down crap whatever this is there,

753
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 8: she did that announcement, not in Nashville, Tennessee, not in

754
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 8: Raleigh during North Carolina. In New York City. Do you

755
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 8: know how many Cracker Bower restaurants are in New York City?

756
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 7: Zero?

757
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 8: There is literally not a single craper Bowl restaurants in

758
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 8: New York City there, So that gives away the whole

759
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 8: game there. He's trying to appease just the Wok Karate

760
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 8: and not her actual own customers. Unfortunately, just like bud Light,

761
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 8: Target all these other companies there, she's going to learn

762
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 8: that the customer is always right. The customers are going

763
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 8: to make her pay for this, I think.

764
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: Josh Hamma, thank you so much for your time tonight.

765
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: Thank you still to come. Why Tennis great Serena Williams

766
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: is under attack from feminist Kinsey Schofield has the details.

767
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 4: Welcome back. Joining me now is celebrity and.

768
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 3: Royal commentator Kinsey's Schofield Kinsey Royal expert Richard fitzwilliam is

769
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: speaking about Meghan Markel struggling to convince a list of

770
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: talent to appear on her cooking show, even though the

771
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 3: list of Meghan so called friends who attended her wedding

772
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: to Prince Harry, well, that was quite extensive and amazing.

773
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: So why are these a listers gone cold on Meghan?

774
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 4: She's not a very popular character.

775
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 18: I mean, this lineup is really unacceptable when you cannsider

776
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 18: the fact that Megan is allegedly still signed to one

777
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 18: of Hollywood's top talent agencies, William Morris Endeavor. Why can't

778
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 18: her agents call in some favors to some of their

779
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 18: other clients. I think for this particular show to rebrand herself,

780
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 18: she's missing somebody like Nicki Glazer or Whitney Cummings or

781
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 18: Chelsea Handler to poke fun at her and make her

782
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 18: seem less overbearing and boring. Someone may be silly and

783
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 18: self depreciating, like Kristen Bell, but her lack of star

784
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 18: power really reflects the lack of general interest for her

785
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 18: here in la There.

786
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: Is no chance she would be up for that.

787
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: There would be no chance that she would ever submit

788
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: to any sort of roasting like that. I mean, she's

789
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 3: so self important you'd remember from that first series how

790
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 3: she corrected was a mindy about Oh no, no, that's

791
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: not actually my surname. My surname isn't markl anymore. You know,

792
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 3: she thinks she's a.

793
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 4: Queen, she does.

794
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 18: You know, I think that when it comes to la talent,

795
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 18: you want to be attached to winners, and Harry and

796
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 18: Meghan have developed a reputation for being inconsistent, not winning,

797
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 18: And like you said, she takes herself so seriously. It's

798
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 18: Megan Sussex now.

799
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and she's the busiest person in the Hollywood now.

800
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice Gilly Maxwell, has claimed Princess Diana may

801
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: have been set up.

802
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 4: As a date for Jeffrey Epstein.

803
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: This is in testimony that has now been made public.

804
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: What more can you tell me about this?

805
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 18: So, when she was asked about Epstein's allegling to the

806
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 18: late Princess Diana, Maxwell so that they first met in

807
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 18: the nineteen nineties at a party hosted by Baroness Rosa Mackden,

808
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 18: one of Diana's closest friends, and she added, I don't

809
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 18: know if she was being set up as a date

810
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 18: for him. Maybe she was, but she wanted to make

811
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 18: sure that she didn't criticize Diana, because she said, I'm

812
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 18: not going to do that. I'm not going to talk

813
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 18: negatively about her. I think that this whole story is

814
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 18: very strange. Epstein specifically told Glean there are pictures of

815
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 18: them together. Diana was the most photographed woman in the world.

816
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 18: I can't find these images anywhere. But what I will

817
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 18: say is Glene is still insisting that she did not

818
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 18: introduce Prince Andrew, who was accused of sexual abuse, to

819
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 18: Jeffrey Epstein, and I think that that's probably more compelling

820
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 18: than this story, since I can't seem to find him

821
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 18: with Princess Diana.

822
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: Now Kinsey fans of slam tennis legend Serena Williams because

823
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: of her use of a weight loss medication. She said

824
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: in an Instagram clip that her body needed it after

825
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: having two kids.

826
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: But critics, well, they're having a go.

827
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: One said, as an athlete and an influence, as a

828
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: shame that you're reiterating the narrative that you need to

829
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: take medication to be healthy and achieve an acceptable standard

830
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: of beauty. This video made me real sad and disappointed.

831
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: Kids say, I mean this is pretty harsh. If she

832
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 3: wants to be skinny.

833
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: Let her.

834
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: Shouldn't she be applauded for being honest about how she

835
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: did it?

836
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 18: But I mean that's true, But if she's being really,

837
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 18: really honest, she should say her husband is on the

838
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 18: board of this company that she's getting poked by.

839
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's.

840
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 18: True's double dipping here. Naysayers argue that when you've got nutritionists, trainers, chefs,

841
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 18: coaches and doctors at your disposal, turning to a weight

842
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 18: loss shot sure looks like the easy way out. And

843
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 18: that's one of the things she's been saying in interviews.

844
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 18: This isn't a shortcut. I don't take shortcuts. Well, I mean,

845
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 18: you've got a lot of help that normal people don't have.

846
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 18: But to her supporters, it wasn't just a sponsorship. It

847
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 18: was a signal that even Serena's legacy on the court

848
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 18: could be overshadowed in a culture that values appearance over accomplishment.

849
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 18: And that's you know where you have to sit back

850
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 18: and go, well, that's something to think about. I mean,

851
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 18: what do we value her for what she's done or

852
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 18: what she looks like.

853
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm just fascinated by how many places she's injecting that drug. Also, normally,

854
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: you know there's one recommended area, is it. She was

855
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: putting it in an elbow in one picture that was fascinating.

856
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: You're right, there is the extra layer when it comes

857
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: to the husband and the endorsements. But don't forget we

858
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: had someone like Oprah Winfrey, a billionaire who had all

859
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: of that. She had the personal trainers, the chefs, everything,

860
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: and it wasn't until the weight loss drug she was

861
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 3: able to shift that weight the way she wanted to.

862
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 4: Now, before you go, I've.

863
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 3: Got to ask you about disgraced actor Justice Smullet. He

864
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: is still trying to convince people that the hate crime

865
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: hoax he committed wasn't really a hoax. Kids, he surely

866
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: no one is buying this nonsense.

867
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 18: Now, this is an idiotic documentary that's on Netflix. You know,

868
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 18: later this week we're going to see the truth about

869
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 18: Justice Smallett and Would Love Meghan next to each other,

870
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 18: and it's just going to be so appropriate on the

871
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 18: Netflix fund out. But yeah, the brothers who Jesse paid

872
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 18: to do this admit that they were paid in this

873
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 18: documentary and say that they were doing it to give

874
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 18: Smollett a leg up in becoming an activist, Grab your

875
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 18: bar Bag. Some of the commentators also claim that the

876
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 18: Chicago police framed him. I just loved this one review

877
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 18: on IMDb that said, this film feels more like a

878
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 18: cleverly disguised pr vehicle more than an honest investigation. It

879
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 18: really is so silly that he's going to try to

880
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 18: talk his way out of this rita. He is guilty

881
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 18: a sin in my opinion.

882
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: Oh, he's guiltiest scene, full stop. There's no doubt about.

883
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: What happened here. And he was trying to fuck he

884
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: was so reckless. This is during BLM when the cities

885
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: across America were already burning, They've already riots and arson

886
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: and looting, and this.

887
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 4: Is going to potentially start a race war.

888
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: So for him to try to come out of this

889
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: as a victim, forget about it, mate, Kinsey Schofield, thank

890
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: you so much for your time tonight, and that's it

891
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: for me.

892
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 4: Up next, it's Newsnight. I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night.