1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's some bloody you project at 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook with red hair. What dude, what have 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: you done? Look like? Why will you look? I mean 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: this respectfully. Who who pays to become a ranger? Shout 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: out for the wranger? 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: We rang it anyway, So well I may as well 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: just get I may as well make it unquestionable. Huh. 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: But you're not really red like you normally like. But 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: when I am that color, when I am my natural color, 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: people call me a ranger. Anyway, Well, you're definitely not 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: a ranger. I am now definitely look at it. Mark 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: Willnn Do you know what a ranger is? Do you 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: know what a ranger? 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: In fact, I get in trouble all the time when 15 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: I'm teaching in Sydney for saying rooted. I say, you 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: know in English, we say you know you want to 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: be rooted in your body and everybody their eyes buger 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: and I learned. No, No, I don't know, but I 19 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: can see the direction we're. 20 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: Going, he said in the English. Tiff you know, we 21 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: speak English, bro, You know this is not a unique language. 22 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: It just sounds weird because of the bloody, ossy accent. No, 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: Tiff normally has kind of this is a great way 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: to start the show. He's like, what the fuck have 25 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: I come to? I thought I was talking about inherited 26 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: family trauma. Now I'm talking about TIFFs muddy hair situation. 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: Mark wi Lynn, Welcome to the You Project, sir. How 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: are you? 29 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: I'm good? Thank you for having me, Craig and Tiff fantastic. 30 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: Tell everyone where you're at, Like, right now, you're in 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: the States. I'm guessing I didn't ask you that, but 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm in the. 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: Very northern part of California, right at the Organ border. 34 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: Right and are you in suburbia? Are you in Metropolis? 35 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: Are you in the wilderness? Are you somewhere else. 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: Wilderness with about three thousand people? Wow, that's beautiful, man. 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: What do you whether the What do you love about 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: living in a small town. I'm guessing it's a slow moving, 39 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: glacial kind of just laid back space to be. 40 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: The lack of density of people's thoughts. So I move 41 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: When I moved here, I felt free from how do 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: you explain it? You know, with people living on all 43 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: sides of you, it's it's not noisy to your ears, 44 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: but it's noisy to your soul. Here, there's space, there's 45 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: lots of green, there's mountains. I think better, I write better. 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah that's interesting, isn't it? That is so interesting? There's something. 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: That affects affects me anyway, energetically, Like even if I'm 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: doing the exact same task, or I don't know, I'm 49 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: working on research stuff, or I'm writing something but doing 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: it in one environment, and I'm not even talking about 51 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: physical noise, but just doing it in a peaceful environment 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: versus an environment where there is you know, a level 53 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: of chaos around it produces a very different outcome and 54 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: experience for me. So yeah, I wonder are we And 55 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: I know this is not your area of expertise, but 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: let's chat and then we'll jump in. But do you 57 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: think energetically and creatively where you are has a big 58 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: ish influence on not only your state, but what you 59 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: can produce in terms of work and so on. 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I just finished two books and half we done 61 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: a third, you know, in January of twenty twenty, before 62 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: the pandemic. I moved up to a cabin that we 63 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: had to write and then you know, and then everybody retired. 64 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: With me a week later. 65 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: But I never left because this is this is where 66 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: I feel creative, free, and I can you know, that's 67 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: what I do. I write books to teach people about 68 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: things that they don't think about. And I'm sure we'll 69 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: get into that. 70 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I wonder you know, like for me, what 71 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about now is a level of kind of 72 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: self awareness and situational awareness and self understanding and that 73 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, my fascination is with people understanding people, people 74 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: understanding themselves. Mine's more in the psychology space. Shaws is 75 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: more in the I guess physiology and psychology. And but 76 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: like trying to figure out how do I work best, 77 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: Where do I work best, what's my best operating system? 78 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: Because not everybody is going to work or function optimally 79 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: in a cabin in the woods. Not everybody is going 80 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: to work or function the twenty fifth floor of a 81 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: skyscraper equally. You know, It's like and like, not everybody's 82 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: going to be able to eat peanuts and get a 83 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: good outcome. Not everybody's going to go great with a 84 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: certain kind of strength training. But trying to understand how 85 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: my body and my as you said, my soul or 86 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: my mind or my energy or my emotions work so 87 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: then I can kind of build a model that works 88 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: for me, not necessarily would work for Tiff or work 89 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: for Mark, but works for me. 90 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: Well, my wife does something called human design, and my 91 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: environment in human design, which I didn't know is mountains. Yeah, 92 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: right outside my window or you can't see it now 93 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: because we have rain today. But I have a massive 94 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: fourteen thousand foot mountain rate there, and there's a grandeur. 95 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: I'm not going to explain this way. There's a groundedness 96 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: of that mountain, and there's a way in which when 97 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: I work, I sink synchronized. 98 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: To that mountain. 99 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if it makes sense to anybody, but 100 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: I know that that's what I'm doing. I'm energetically sinking 101 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: to that, and then I feel like there's this upflow 102 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: of information that I just fish in a stream, and 103 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: I mean not real fishing, fishing energetically in a stream 104 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: for ideas or just you know, catching catching them as 105 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: they come. 106 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: Yes, Amzing, I think have you climbed that four teene 107 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: thousand foot mountain? 108 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: By the way, you know, I'm probably the only one 109 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: in this town of three thousand people who haven't. I 110 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: have friends that have climbed it. Thirty five times. I've 111 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: never been up done. You know, I'm up about eight 112 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: or nine thousand feet, but I've not gone fourteen. I've 113 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: climbed probably eight and a half. 114 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: Fourteen is high. That's like Base Camp Everest. Yes, yeah, yeah. 115 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: This is the third largest mountain from sea level in 116 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: the States. I don't know. I have no idea what 117 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: that means. They all go from sea level. 118 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: Anyway, you'd probably jog up that TIF before lunchtime, wouldn't you. 119 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: You'd probably do it a thousand push ups at the top. 120 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: Now I just picked that mountain up and deadlift it. Oh, 121 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 1: before you became a before you became a I can't 122 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: say it. What has happened to you? I try? I 123 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: don't know. You know, those emails that I keep getting, 124 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep them to a minimum. All right, 125 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about you, though, or let's talk about your work. 126 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: Let's talk about your fascination, your research. Let's call it. 127 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 1: You're calling So you've written a book called and since 128 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: revised it. It didn't start with you. You kind of 129 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: specialize in, or focus on and teach people about inherited 130 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: family trauma. Let's start with the simplest of questions, assuming 131 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: that some people will know a fair bit or some 132 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: about this, or at least know what that is. But 133 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: also some people have never heard of that term. Even so, 134 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: let's dumb it right down. Mainly for me. Inherited family 135 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: trauma is what. 136 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll tell you about a case I had not 137 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: long ago. So a thirty seven year old guy starts 138 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: drinking and starts driving recklessly when his wife is eight 139 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: months pregnant with their son. Why, I mean, he doesn't 140 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: put it together. And I'm glad he shows up in 141 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: my office because he never makes the connection that his 142 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: own father died in a car crash a month before 143 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: he was born. Is a great example. And he never 144 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: knows his father, he never meets him, but indirectly he 145 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: attempts to join him in the same fate, you know, 146 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: dying in a car accident. Now, what I tell people 147 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: is we need to realize that the reaction to a 148 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: trauma doesn't necessarily stomp with the people who experienced it. 149 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: The feelings, the sensations, specifically the stress response, the way 150 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: the genes express can pass forward to the children and grandchildren, 151 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: affecting them in a similar way, even though they didn't 152 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: personally experience the trauma, and this guy never puts it together. 153 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: You know that. I use that as a way to 154 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: explain it because it's pretty clear I can do that. 155 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: I can give you twenty of those. 156 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean hat this is a 157 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: big question, which is probably a two hour lecture answer. 158 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: But how does it work? Like what is the mechanism? 159 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: Like what is happening? Because I think you say that 160 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: it's around epigenetics, and like there's a lot of like 161 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: we know that we can be influenced of course by 162 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: our parents and grandparents because of situation and environments and 163 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: social norms and interactions and there's that, but that's not 164 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: what we're talking about here, right, We're talking about something 165 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: that's different. This is biological, this is physiological. This is 166 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: something happened to Grandad that I'm not even aware of, 167 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: and that is something around that is manifesting in me 168 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: sixty years later or bringing stuff up for me. Do 169 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: you know how that works? 170 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: I do. I have to books about it. So when 171 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: a traum happens, it changes us. It changes us literally 172 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: it causes a chemical change, and this can change how 173 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: our genes function. Sometimes for generations so technically, trauma happens, 174 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: and then there's chemical signals in our cell that they 175 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: call chemical tags, and these attached to the DNA and 176 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: tell the cells to use or ignore certain genes, enabling 177 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: us to better deal with the trauma. And then the 178 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: way our genes are affected changes can change how we 179 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: act or feel. For example, we can become sensitive or 180 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: reactive to situations that are similar to the original trauma, 181 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: even if that trauma occurred in a previous generation, so 182 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: that we now just like them in the past generation, 183 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: have a better chance of surviving the trauma, whether it 184 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: happens or not. I'll give you an example. So let's 185 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: say our grandparents come from a war torn country. People 186 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: are being shot, bombs are going off, uniform men are 187 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: lining people up in the square, people are being taken away. 188 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: So our grandparents would develop and pass forward a skill set, 189 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: let's say, sharper reflexes, quicker reaction times, reactions to the 190 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: violence to help them survive this trauma that they just experience. 191 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: Now it's passed forward to us. But the problem is 192 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: we've inherited a stress response, often with the dial set 193 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: to ten, and we're prepared for this catastrophe that never arrives, 194 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: and we rarely make the link. Craig, you know that 195 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 2: our anxiety, our hypervigilance, our depression is connected to our 196 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: parents and grandparents. We just think we're wired this way. 197 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: We walk around a whole life thinking, yeah, I'm just 198 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: wired that way. I have an overactive vegus nerve, an 199 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: overactive nervous SYSM, an overactive amygdala. 200 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah that's and so how do we and again these 201 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 1: are big questions that probably require more time, but how 202 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: do we recognize is this true? Or is this anxiety 203 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: response or stress response, or this overthinking or this obsessing? 204 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: Is this just you know, is this a byproduct of 205 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: something I went through ten years ago or is this 206 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: something that could be inherited family trauma? How do we differentiate? 207 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: How do we know? Because obviously it's not always about 208 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: what happened fifty years ago, it's you know, there's there's 209 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: other reasons. But how do we discover that? 210 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: Well, we don't know until we take the case. So, 211 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: you know, trauma behaves similarly. Our nervous system generates fate 212 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: flight freeze, whether it's something that happened to us in 213 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: utero in our early infancy as a toddler in our childhood, 214 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: or something that happened in a previous generation. But for me, 215 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: because I've been in this field a gazillion years, because 216 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: I'm a gazillion years old, I can see science. So 217 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: many of us feel like we're carrying something that doesn't 218 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: belong to us. So we have a fear or a 219 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: sadness or a grief, but it's not connected anything. We're 220 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: struggling with a health condition. We can't explain a panic attack. 221 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: So what I've seen, and this is what I'd like 222 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: to share because it'll give the readers, readers, listeners. No 223 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: one's reading right now, it'll give the listeners something to 224 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: think about. We can begin experiencing a fear or a 225 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: symptom that strikes suddenly or unexpectedly when we reach a 226 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: certain age or hit a certain milestone or event in 227 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: our lives. For example, we leave our wife or husband 228 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: or partner at at thirty, but never think that our 229 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: grandmother was widowed at thirty and our mother separated from 230 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: our father at We don't make those connections. So it's 231 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: not just ages, you know. For example, we can it's 232 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: events or milestone, so we can get married, and all 233 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: of a sudden we're shut down and we can't explain it. 234 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: And it may have something to do with a break 235 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: in the attachment with our mom, or it may have 236 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: something to do with the events that happened to our 237 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: parents or grandparents. I'll maybe give cases about this to 238 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: explain it if we need to. But let me keep going, 239 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,359 Speaker 2: because there's other things other than getting married or ages. 240 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: Let me think of them. Oh, we move, we moved 241 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: to a new place, and then suddenly we become depressed 242 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: like our ancestors who were persecuted and forced out of 243 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: their homeland. Or we get we get rejected by our partner, 244 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: and the grief is insurmountable, and then it takes us 245 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: back to an earlier grief, often to a break in 246 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: the attachment with our mom. So you know from my 247 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: book what I did is I walked two lines. I said, 248 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: I wrote about breaks in the attachment and I wrote 249 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: about generational trauma equally, because they both must be considered 250 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: as deep causes of these traumas. But let me keep 251 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: going on that idea just for a minute. Now, turn 252 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: it back over. So I often see people that get 253 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: you know, they get rejected, but they've only been with 254 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: this person two months, and all of a sudden, I die. 255 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: I don't want to live anymore. But you know it 256 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: can't be related to that person because they've only been 257 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: with them two months. But their grief is real because 258 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: it's taken them back to a break in the attachment 259 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 2: with the mother where they did feel like they could die. 260 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: You know, if the mother isn't present, we can't fend 261 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: for ourselves, and it's it's life threatening. Actually, let me 262 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: give you one more example and then I'll turn turn 263 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: it over. 264 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: Okay. 265 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: Another one is we can have a child and everything's cool, 266 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: but then we get pregnant or we have the child, 267 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 2: and it's though it's as though this ancestral alarm clock 268 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: starts ringing inside us. I once worked with a woman 269 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: Finer Life, but as soon as she gets pregnant, she's 270 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: consumed with anxiety. And you know, I ask her, what's 271 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: the fear? You know, that's one of my questions, as 272 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: you know from my book, what's the fear? She said, 273 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: I'll do something terrible and I'll harm my baby. So 274 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: I said, did you ever harm a baby? She said no, 275 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: of course, And I said, did anyone in your family 276 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: ever hearn a baby and she's just about to say no, 277 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 2: she goes and it also it hits her. Her grandmother, 278 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: as a young woman, had a little baby lit a candle, 279 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: caught the curtains on fire, caught the house on fire. 280 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 2: She can't get the baby out. The baby dies. And 281 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: then the woman says to me, but we were never 282 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: allowed to talk about it, and we'll talk about why 283 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: talking about it is essential. But in that moment, she 284 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: makes the link that she had inherited this terror from 285 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: her grandmother, and then we could break the pattern. 286 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: You know what I find that is interesting. But what 287 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: I think about with that is but she knew she 288 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: had knowledge, right, so she she wasn't. 289 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 2: In the forefront of her bring. Yes, it was in there, 290 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: but she was about to say no, no, what ever 291 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: harmed me. Actually she did say that, I go, are. 292 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 1: You sure right? That's fascinating. You know, this is like 293 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: a slight left turn. But I'm trying to think about 294 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, you try and relate every new thing that 295 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: you hear or when someone's telling me or teaching me something. 296 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 1: I'm like, if I ever had anything like that? And 297 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: this is a little bit weird, but a brief story, 298 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: but I've got a backdrop it with something. So my mom, 299 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: her mom's mom died giving birth to my mum, So 300 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: my mom never met her mother. I never met my grandmother, right, 301 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: So let's just park that. A few years ago I 302 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: was in Ireland. 303 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: We can't park it if you give me that detail. 304 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: There's so much about that, but go. 305 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: Ahead, Okay, hang on, No, but here's my then you 306 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: can therapize the shit out of me. So I went 307 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: to Island to do some work. I was going to speak, 308 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: and i'd you know, I didn't really think much about it. 309 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: I've been to England, I've been around a few other 310 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: places in Europe, and but I hadn't been to Ireland. 311 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: So I was looking forward to it. And I got there, 312 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: Mark and Tiff and everyone else. I got there and 313 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: nothing in my mind was thinking about anything in this. 314 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: But I got there and I felt like, Oh, I 315 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: almost felt like I'd come home. Oh my grandmother was 316 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: Irish right wherever I went, or not at wherever, but 317 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: a lot of places I went it felt familiar. The 318 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: Irish accent and the Irish people felt very and I 319 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: don't like, in a serious way, like I've never had 320 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: this in my life before, I've never had it since, 321 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: and it was like quite It was quite emotional for me, 322 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh, this is weird. And I remember 323 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: being in a supermarket just buying some crap in Ireland 324 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: and this lady talking to me and she felt and 325 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, and I'm not really too woo woo right, 326 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm like that, give me the data, show me the evidence. 327 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: But and I'm in there now, fuck that I've been 328 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: here before or or there's something there was something really 329 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: familiar to me. Yeah, And then I was back at 330 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: my hotel later I'm like, what is that about. I'm like, oh, yeah, 331 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: my grandmother. It was from here. I don't know if 332 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: that's that, but to me, it felt like I knew it. 333 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: I'd never even thought about it. 334 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: She's the most excluded person in the family because she 335 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: dies giving birth to your mother, and she's the most 336 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: essential for the well being that gets installed. Let me 337 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: say a sentence and then we'll pull it uproof if 338 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 2: you want. Our mother them is responsible for installing the 339 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 2: software for well being or lack of wellbeing, for safety 340 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: or lack of safety, threat for calm or hypervigilance and 341 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: if your mother, even though she's raised by her father, 342 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: her grandma, whoever it is, there's still a massive break 343 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: from the woman with whom she knew for nine months 344 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: in that womb, her sounds, her rhythms, her heartbeat, the warmth, 345 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: all all of that is suddenly gone, and then that 346 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 2: is what will pass forth. Well, let's let's let me 347 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: look at talk about another way. Your mom will have 348 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: a break in the attachment and her fight flight freeze responses, 349 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: her reactivity from not having her mother, from not knowing 350 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: her mother, from being cut off from her mother, will 351 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 2: go into the egg cell, go into the germ cell, 352 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 2: and that will pass forward to your mom's kids, potentially 353 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: to your kids if this isn't mitigated. You know, another 354 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: way to explain this work is that becomes trauma. Okay, 355 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 2: that trauma happens, and that then there's information rich molecules 356 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 2: of my mom's gone, my mom's gone. Oh my god, 357 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: that thing that even though your mom doesn't have cognitive awareness, 358 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: she has sematic awareness. Information rich molecules. They latch onto 359 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 2: the DNA and they act like dimmer switches, controlling which 360 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: sections of the DNA get used and which do not. 361 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: In other words, which genes get turned on and which 362 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: genes get turned off. Now there's you didn't ask me this, 363 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: but since you've told me you were a science geek, 364 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: I'm giving it to you. There's three big mechanisms of 365 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 2: transfer of intergenerational epigenetic transfer. One is DNA methylation, where 366 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: that blocks the proteins from transcribing. His Stone modifications is 367 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 2: another one levels of non coding RNA. Now non coding RNA, 368 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: it contains all this information. So you know, my book 369 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: is full of studies that talk about all these mechanisms 370 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: because they have to. People want to know, Wait a minute, 371 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 2: how does this work? What works with those three mechanisms. 372 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 2: It works that you have the dimmer switch. But then 373 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 2: what's that dimmer switch doing. It's affecting the genes, It's 374 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 2: affecting how they're expressing. And then if they look at 375 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: the mechanism behind that, they go, oh, there's changes in 376 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 2: DNA methylation in your mom in you, and then in 377 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: your potential changes in the level of non coding RNAs 378 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. 379 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: Mark that's fascinating. How long, give or take has this 380 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: kind of research around generational trauma not just your work, 381 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: but work in this space, it must be relatively new. 382 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: How long have people been yes thinking about I was 383 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: talking about. 384 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: This now' That is a wonderful question, because when I 385 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: wrote the book, there was nothing the first time, and 386 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: you know it's now we're talking about twenty fourteen. When 387 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: I wrote the first draft of the book and there's 388 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: very little, and my editor says, give me more science 389 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 2: than they were. Yeah, wish. But then twenty fifteen it 390 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: all starts dropping in. So in twenty fifteen the studies 391 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 2: with mice come out. Now mice share ninety ninety two 392 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: ninety three percent of the genome similarities with humans, so 393 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: they can do studies with mice and then extrapolate outcomes. 394 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 2: And you know the first book had a lot of 395 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: my studies. Well guess what first book comes does really well. 396 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: It sells three million copies worldwide. Bow it doesn't have 397 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 2: the human studies Craig and that. So I go to 398 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: my publisher last year and I go, sorry, dude, we're 399 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 2: rewriting this. All the cool studies have come out in 400 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: the past ten years with humans. I'll tell you what 401 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: I added in the new book. I'll just give you 402 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: one study it's mind blowing. Let me think about it 403 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 2: now so I get it right. 404 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: Okay. 405 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: There's a two thousand and twenty five, two twenty five 406 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: study where researchers examined war related violence in three generations 407 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: of Syrian refugees and discovered that there's this intergenerational epigenetic 408 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: signature of violence which is imbedded in the genome. So 409 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: specifically it was this mechanism was DNA methylation, and they 410 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 2: find changes in DNA methylation in the pregnant grandmothers who 411 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 2: were directly exposed to war violence and their daughters who 412 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: were prenatally exposed to the war violence in the womb. 413 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: And then because the eggs are already in our mom 414 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 2: when she's five months in utero with our grandmother, the 415 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: grandchildren were journalie exposed. That's one study. I could tell 416 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 2: you many studies. Okay, there's one more in the new book. 417 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen in Brazil, they looked at women who 418 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: had gone through partner violence, so they're exposed to partner 419 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: violence and while they were pregnant with their daughters who 420 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 2: then become mothers and of themselves, and the research just 421 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: discovered that the grandmothers who experienced the violence were able 422 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: to pass the effects of that violence onto their grandchildren. Again. 423 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: The mechanism was DNA methylation, which blocks proteins from attaching 424 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: to the DNA, suppressing its expression. 425 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: Wow, and there's more I could. 426 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: I just filled this new book up with I needed 427 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 2: thirty percent bigger, took some things out that we didn't need, 428 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: and put in all the good studies with humans, with 429 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: Pakistani orphans that lost their mums, et cetera, et cetera, 430 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: and made it. As you can tell, I'm psyched about 431 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: the book. I really like it. 432 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: Well, congratude. We're going to keep going. But while we're 433 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: talking about the book, so some people like, what's the 434 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: name of that book? Again? Is called it didn't start 435 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: with you? And just while we're hear we normally do 436 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: this at the end, but we'll do it now and 437 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: maybe again at the nwww Mack will In Wlyn dot 438 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: com and say, Matt Mark Willin on Instagram if you 439 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: want to connect with Mark, find out more about what 440 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: he's doing. All right, so I want to know. And again, 441 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: everyone keep in mind, this is very much a snapshot 442 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: of something that's pretty enormous, right, So we're kind of 443 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: just opening the door on this today. But you can 444 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: do a deep dive if you so wish. Probably start 445 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: with a book. There's an idea, all right, So let's go. 446 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: I come to see you, and we do some sessions 447 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: or a session and I have a bit of awt together, 448 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: we have a bit of an aha moment and I'm like, 449 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: oh my god. And then we realize or we pinpoint, 450 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: or we have some kind of revelation about where my 451 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: trauma might be coming from. Now this I don't even 452 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: know if this is the right wordmark, but how do 453 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: we treat it? How do we heal? Where do we begin? 454 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: Because I'm assuming it's not the same protocol or the 455 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: same a recipe or to sign medicine for every person 456 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: or is it? 457 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: No, No, it isn't. And you know that sets me 458 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 2: in two directions as we're talking. I will talk about healing, 459 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: but I liked your question about you come to my 460 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 2: office and how do we figure out your trauma? You 461 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: know people will do this in the book, but I'm 462 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: going to throw one of my tools that you called 463 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: the core sentence. I'm going to say, hey, Craig, if 464 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: the worst thing happened to you, if things went terribly wrong, 465 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 2: if things suddenly went south, if your life were to 466 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: fall apart, what's your worst fear? What's the worst thing 467 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: that could happen to you? And then you know, we 468 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: can try this in the audience, but don't do it 469 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: if you don't feel resourced. But let me ask the 470 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: question again, so it's not just to Craig. So if 471 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: your life suddenly fell apart, if it were to just 472 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: fall apart, go south, things went terribly wrong in your life, 473 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: what's your worst fear? What's the worst thing that could 474 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: happen to you? And now, whatever your answer is, take 475 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: it down a step by saying and if that happened, 476 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: what's the worst part of that? And then take it 477 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: to one more step and if that happened, what's the 478 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: worst part of that? So people end up with what 479 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 2: I call the core sentence. I'll be all alone, I'll 480 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: be rejected, I'll be abandoned, I'll be left. These are 481 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: more attachment sentences, and these are the types of sentences 482 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: that come when someone loses a mother, or a mother 483 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: isn't present, or a mother isn't emotionally available. These are 484 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: those sentences that you find that tell me, ah, I'm 485 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: likely going to be working with attachment here, whether it's 486 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: my client's attachment or it's inherited attachment. But the generational 487 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: sentence says Craig, these are fascinating. Someone will say, I'll 488 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: hurt a child, or I'll do something terrible and it'll 489 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: all be my fault. Now be hated, or I'll be ostracized, 490 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: I'll be sent away, or I'll go crazy, they'll lock 491 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: me up, I'll start a fire, eat all these things, 492 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: and it's like you're going, well, dude, how did they 493 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: get that? I mean, you're thinking like that is not attachment, 494 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: that's not this generation. So if somebody says, you know, 495 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: I'll go crazy, they'll lock me up, you can go 496 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: both ways, and I'll tell you what I'm doing. I'll say, hey, 497 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: did anyone go crazy? Was anybody locked up? Did anyone 498 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: did a woman say have postpartum depression back then and 499 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: they didn't know how to treat it, and they institutionalized 500 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: her with someone in your family, institutionalized and never never 501 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: got out again. So if they say no, nothing like 502 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: that happen, but they give you enough clues that its attachment. 503 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: The infant, the toddler. The infant goes crazy when the 504 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: mother's attuneament is off target. So if our mother couldn't 505 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,719 Speaker 2: see us, know us, soothe us in two of what 506 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 2: we needed. It's a it's an absolute feeling of panic 507 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 2: and horror, so that a sentence like that could go 508 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: both ways. But you're asking me how we heal. I'm 509 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 2: going to turn it over to you. I'll talk about healing. 510 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: But I thought that might stir up. 511 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: No, that's nice, Like what so, I mean, you know 512 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: this is all new to me and TIFP is this 513 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: all new to you? New wish in terms of yeah, 514 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean we both kind of have heard of it. 515 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: But this is a deeper dive, which is great. I'm thinking, okay, 516 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: so it's genetic or epigenetic, it's kind of influencing our 517 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: genes two generations later, da da da, which is you know, 518 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: like biological. Then I think, but there's an emotional and 519 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: a psychological consequence or components. So it's not just about 520 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: your body or gy genes. It's not just about your mind. 521 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: It's not just about your emotions, and the emotional and 522 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: psychological symptoms or byproducts in this case often driven by 523 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: the physiology So do we treat the mind stuff, do 524 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: we treat the body stuff? Do we treat the emotional stuff? 525 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: Is the word treat the wrong word, because it's no. 526 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: Everything you're saying leads back to body stuff. So if 527 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 2: we have thoughts of I'll be a band, all of 528 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 2: a sudden, there's either a dissociation or a disconnect, or 529 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 2: a tightening or a leaving above. In other words, Titus, 530 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 2: fight flight is getting me out of here, away from 531 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 2: the thread. Freeze is shut down. So when we answer 532 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: one of these sentences, the core sentences, whether it's attachment 533 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 2: that happened to us with our mum or generational, we 534 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 2: still have a physiologic response to even those words. You know, 535 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 2: I take people in the book to end the workbook. 536 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 2: There's a workbook that goes with it if people want. 537 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: But it's like I take people into the physical sensation 538 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 2: of it, because that is just physiology. So we have 539 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: fight flight freeze responses, reactions that are happening unconsciously in 540 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 2: our body, making us sick, making us anxious, making us 541 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: shut down, screwing up our relationships. And no matter where 542 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 2: it comes, whether this generation with our mom or or 543 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: in our early life or generation prior or to generations prior, 544 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 2: the healing is still similar. We've got to have positive 545 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 2: experiences that can change our brain. I mean that I 546 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: can go into that deeper if you want, but I 547 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 2: just you know, I'm loving the fact that we're having 548 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: a common Let me go into it deeper. I think 549 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 2: I need to go on. I'm going loose. Sorry, So look, 550 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: ultimately to hear, we've gone to have positive experiences strong 551 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 2: enough to change our brain and then be able to 552 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 2: practice the new feelings and new sensations associated with these experiences. 553 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 2: So when we do that, we knows you know this 554 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 2: from probably a zillion podcast you've done with people. But 555 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 2: we we create new neural pathways, that's one way we 556 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: do it. But we also stimulate the release of feel 557 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 2: good neurotransmitters like dopamine or serotonin, or or we can 558 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 2: stimulate the release of feel good hormones in the body 559 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 2: like oxytocin or estrogen. But the main thing is even 560 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 2: the genes involved in this stress response thing that we're 561 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 2: talking about, they can begin to change, they can begin 562 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 2: to function in an improve way. We can change the 563 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: way our DNA expresses and we all know this. In 564 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 2: the audience when we do gratitude, Why do we do 565 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 2: a gratitude practice because it feels good? What does that 566 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 2: mean when it feels good? Well, so when we can 567 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 2: reach feelings of comfort, support, compassion, gratitude, generosity, loving kind 568 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 2: I mean so many these types of feelings. These experiences 569 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 2: feed the prefrontal cortex, and that can help us reframe 570 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 2: the stress response, so our nervous system has a chance 571 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 2: to downregulate. If I had to put it in a nutshell, 572 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 2: I would say to the listeners this, I would say this, 573 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 2: We need to practice being with what's uncomfortable first, uncomfortable 574 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 2: sensations in our body, just not being afraid of them, 575 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 2: not popping out, not shutting down, not panicking, but being 576 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 2: able to be with them until we reach what's beneath them, 577 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 2: which are sensations we experience as life giving, such as pulsing, tingling, softening, expanding, 578 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 2: blood flowing, waves of energy, waves of warmth, These sensations 579 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: of life force in our core along our vegus nerve. 580 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 2: This is the place to reside and hang out. And 581 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 2: I always say that if we can hang out there 582 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 2: for sixty seconds and repeat that six times a day, 583 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 2: that can be enough to change the brain and Cammon nervous. 584 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 1: Wow. I wanted to thank you. I wanted to ask you, 585 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: like even just jumping out, but relating a context. So 586 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: in my research, I mean, I'm researching and think called 587 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: metap perception and metaaccuracy, which is your ability to understand 588 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: with some level of accuracy, how people experience you. So 589 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: at the core question is what's the market experience like 590 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: for the bloke that I buy my petrol from, or 591 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: for the audience I'm talking to, or the audience right now, 592 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: or my sister whatever. So it's trying to understand. It's 593 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: a kind of a very high level of self awareness, 594 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: situational awareness, and I think even with that, there's not 595 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: a lot of research in this area. There's some, but 596 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: so I'm always trying to explain to people what my 597 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: research is. I'm writing papers of submitted papers, I'm waiting 598 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,879 Speaker 1: on stuff. All these things are happening. But it feels to. 599 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 3: Me like also in your field, or your very specific 600 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 3: focus in your field, it's something that, as you said 601 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,479 Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, there's very little science and now there's 602 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 3: more science and. 603 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: It's expanding and unfolding. Is that do you what's the word? 604 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: Are you constantly explaining this? Are you getting pushback? 605 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 2: Do you. 606 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: Do you need to Not that you're trying to convince 607 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: anyone of anything, but enlighten or educate people who might 608 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: otherwise not be familiar or aware of supportive even of this, 609 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: Like that must be a thing for you. 610 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 2: Not anymore. It was so when I first came out 611 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 2: talking about this in two thousand and well, I've been 612 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 2: talking about this for forty years. But when I'm rid 613 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 2: with email, I, you know, people would say, what's the science? 614 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 2: And I didn't even understand it to the degree that 615 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 2: I do now Now it's in my bones. I totally 616 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 2: get it. But there's not so much pushback right now 617 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 2: because the zeitgeist of generational trauma has hit critical mass. 618 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,760 Speaker 2: I mean they even did a Netflix movie called Another 619 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 2: Self about my book in Turkey, you know, so it's 620 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 2: it's reached critical mass now. But I love your book. 621 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 2: I love what you're talking about. 622 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:08,959 Speaker 1: Boy. 623 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 2: I sure hope that you can fall on into that 624 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 2: research because it sounds really intriguing. 625 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I find it fascinating and it's funny, 626 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: how you know, without jumping out of your stuff for 627 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: too long. But the way that we navigate the world 628 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 1: and way that we perceive the world is unique to us, 629 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, And every time, like I could talk to 630 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: ten people and at once in the same room with 631 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: the same intent on the same day, and those ten 632 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: people walk away with a different version of who Craig 633 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: Harper is or a different story about Craig Harper, and 634 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 1: to them, it's not a story, it's a reality. So 635 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: like it or not, people are always evaluating, judging, watching, 636 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 1: not in a bad way necessarily, but having insight into 637 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: how people see you, not from a point of fear 638 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: or anxiety or self doubt or insecurity, but rather curiosity. 639 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 1: When I understand what Craig is like for my audience, 640 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: then I can build more rapport and connection and trust 641 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: and respect versus I've got no idea how Mark thinks, 642 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: So I'm just going to talk at Mark assuming Mark 643 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: thinks like Craig, which is a really fucking terrible strategy, 644 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: you know. So it's like, which is why I try 645 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: to you know, I try to understand you. I try 646 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: to understand your journey and your path and more specifically 647 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: your mind, Like what's the Mark reality right now? You know, 648 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: Like understanding specifically how others think is theory of mind. 649 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: And so in the moment, I'm always trying to go 650 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: without being my focus. But I'm like, what is this 651 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: like for Mark? What is this like for Tiff? What 652 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: is this like this conversation right now for the audience? 653 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, because if you if I'm just worried about 654 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: what I think of it, whether I like it, whether 655 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm having a good time, I'm going to create more 656 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: disconnection than connections. So yeah, I love all that stuff 657 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: and it ties in with it. It ties in with 658 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: everything I love. 659 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 2: I love the idea of your book. 660 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: I love it. Wow, thanks you eight year. 661 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 2: Different realities. That's how my waife and I fight. We 662 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 2: have a big fate. We got different realities. 663 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: It's hard being right all the time though. It's a burden, 664 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean it's tough, Honey, you said this, 665 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: Yes I did not, cheers and you did difficult I 666 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: did not. 667 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 2: So basically we've learned to see different realities. 668 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: Ye, hey, Mark, we've got a jam. But it's so 669 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: nice to meet you and talk to you, and congratulations 670 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: on your book and your revised version. Three million book sales. 671 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: Folks is that is no joke. That is that is 672 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: rare air. And it's been translated into forty plus languages, 673 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: and he's just done a revised edition last year, which 674 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: is out tell people how to connect with you, find you, 675 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: follow you, or wherever you want to point them. 676 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 2: Come to my website. I'm teaching a workshop in Corfu, 677 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 2: May first through fourth. I get me on Instagram at 678 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 2: Mark Willnn. I have not just a revised book, but 679 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 2: a brand new workbook which is like having a private 680 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 2: session with me where you learn how to trace your 681 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 2: symptoms back to either a generational trauma or an attachment trauma. 682 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 2: And you know, it's like having a private session with me. 683 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 2: It's how I designed it, where you know I'll ask 684 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,760 Speaker 2: you the right questions so you can connect the dots 685 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 2: to what you've been experiencing to either the trauma in 686 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 2: your family history or your early trauma. I mean, I 687 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 2: don't want to do I'm sorry, I'm doing self promotion. 688 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 2: But I really believe in these two books, and I 689 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 2: worked really hard on them. That was what was moving 690 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 2: up here in this dense, less dense, spacious place. You know, 691 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 2: I just feel really creative here. But yeah, thank you, 692 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this conversation totally and I wish you 693 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,240 Speaker 2: the best with your book. 694 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,439 Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. 695 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 2: Well. 696 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate it and it's super interesting and it's always 697 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,919 Speaker 1: interesting for me anyway when we kind of dive into 698 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: territory of which I know little about, which is pretty 699 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: much every episode. Tip. Are you okay? 700 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 3: I'm okay, thank you. 701 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: We're just checking in with you anything Mark, and I 702 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: need to counsel you on or you all right? I'm 703 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: a redhead now, so I got this right. You're a ringer. 704 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,280 Speaker 1: Mark learned a new word. Hey Mark, we'll say goodbye, 705 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: O offfair but for the minute, so good. We appreciate you. 706 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: It didn't start with you as the book everyone Mark 707 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: willin dot com on Instagram. Same deal. Thanks Mark. Maybe 708 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: we'll walk again and appreciate you. 709 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 2: Ye. I loved it