WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 25 June 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:07.400 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sharry, 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.360 Congratulations to Jenna, and to Chris and all your parents 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:12.440 that are watching us this evening. You've got quite a 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:14.160 right in front of you. Lots to get to tonight. 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.760 But first I'm not breaking any news to you, of course, 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.880 that this Prime Minister loves to have it both ways. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.560 In fact, we've even gone to the We spent a 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:30.000 year's production budget on this graphic each way outbow because 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.520 he'll say one thing and that'll do another. And sometimes 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.120 it'll be, you know, one day and then another day. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:35.959 Sometimes it'll be a week and another week. This one 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.960 a little bit different. As you know, the new Governor 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:44.440 General is apparently so amazing, is such a great friend 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.239 of the Prime Minister that she's going to get an 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.879 extra two hundred thousand dollars when she eventually takes over 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.080 the role in just a few days time. Now, as 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.360 we know, this is the ultimate captain's pick to decide 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.760 who is the person with the power to the government. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.440 After all, that is one of the key roles of 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.160 the Governor General, and the more they like you, the 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.400 less likely that's going to happen. Regardless of what happens 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.640 in the Senate, regardless of whether you are in a 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:14.479 minority government position. But of course this governor General, as 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.560 everyone knows by now, is going to get paid and 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:23.320 absolute bodza. Now she's or the current governor general earns 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.360 less than the Prime minister. The new governor General will 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.440 earn more than the prime minister. The prime minister now 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.160 is at about five hundred and something. He goes up 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.840 to six hundred, which means, let's bump it up. There's 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.959 a lot of ribbons to to cut. Well, why do 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.559 I mention each way albow, because apparently this is all great, 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.160 all above board, all good, all with the times, all 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.759 you know, yeah, with the sisterhood. The problem is, it's 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.920 not always been the position of old mate Anthony Arbernezi 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.280 that the highest office in the land, even more significant 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.840 than the prime ministers, should receive major bump ups in money. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.040 Now we are talking today about a governor General that 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.200 he has appointed will end up gearning two hundred thousand 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.760 dollars more than their previous governor general. Well, let's go 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.360 back to two thousand and three. David Hurley was the 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.799 man who had become our Governor General and there was 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.520 a conversation about how much that person will end up 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.600 being paid. Now the hike was about fifty thousand dollars, 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.200 and guess it was blowing up and going off like 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.079 a tubob watch because the pay rise was fifty thousand 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.959 dollars as opposed to when he's in charge and it's 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.520 two hundred thousand dollars. Well done to whoever dug this up. 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:38.280 Today the governor general will receive a fifty five thousand 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.480 dollars pay rise, or more than one thousand dollars a week. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:42.400 There's a big. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.399 Contrast, mister speaker with average austraints, and average austraints will 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.320 be concerned about a bill increasing salary of fifty five 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.639 thousand dollars in one hit, because in contrast, one point 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:59.240 seven million low paid workers were awarded a pay rise 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.840 of fifteen dollar dollars to seventeen dollars a week in 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.560 the latest Industrial Relations Commissioned Safety Net wage case. 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.000 So he was either wrong then or he's wrong now, 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.919 or he was believing it then and he's lying now, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.920 or he was lying then and he's believing it now, 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.120 or he was lying then and he's lying now. Either 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:22.240 way each way, Albo two hundred thousand dollars is fine 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:27.240 as an uptick in the Governor General's pay fifty thousand dollars. Well, 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:33.280 it's an absolute offense, isn't that. I'll work on the voice. Now, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.000 a little more about the big change that is coming 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:40.040 when it comes to vapes. Now, of course Australians have 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.520 given up, generally speaking on smoking, but there are those 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.200 of us that are still stupid enough to do it. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.880 But the big fear about vaping is that it is 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.160 a brand new generation of people that are learning how 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.080 to put something in their system that's terrible, that's not natural, 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.040 and therefore it must be banned. 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.520 We have legislation before the Parliament today which will be 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.920 debated in the Senate when we go back to Canberra 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.480 in a couple of weeks, that seeks to ban the 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.040 sale and the supply of these products. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.520 But then they decided not to ban the sale of 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:16.080 these products because it was a way of getting something 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.400 that the Greens wanted. Now, of course, the Greens they 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.400 don't want to disappoint the young people, especially the ones 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.120 that love a good old vape. That can you do 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.440 the double dragon and the smoke rolls and all the 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.000 rest of it. No, the young people, and they vote green, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.159 so they wanted it to be still having some action. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.359 Sure not, you know, lovely apple and cinnamon scrolls and 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.640 whatever the other flavors are that some bloc will set 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.240 you underneath the counter. So of course you are now 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.320 going to be available to get your vapes. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.080 This is a significant amendment that we will be proposing 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.279 to the Senate, but one that very much keeps faith 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:55.400 with the original intention of our reforms, which are to 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.839 wipe out the recreational vaping market, to wipe this out 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.480 from retail settings, and to return this product to its 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:03.320 original intention. 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.760 We're just making it up as we go. This is 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.840 a really good thing to do. This is a really 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:14.640 good thing to do. Fifty thousand dollars terrible, two hundred 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.240 thousand dollars great, good luck keeping up with any of this. 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.600 Of course, the expectation is that you don't think you know, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.880 you're just walking around, counting down to the next big 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:27.440 footy game, distracted by whatever song you've just heard flashing 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.599 out of a fast fashion shop. But for the rest 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.160 of us who've got something between our ears, you've got 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.919 more than I do. We know, mine's mostly cholesterol. But 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.320 you are able to see and able to remember that 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.600 they said something completely different. But that's not the real 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.320 thing that I want to focus on, because, as you know, 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.000 we're going from the vape shops which basically will be 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.680 being shut down as soon as the first of July, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:52.800 and the place where you will be able to get 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:58.159 a wide array of flavors. It'll be nicotine, mint or 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.680 menthol and that place will be your friendly chemist. Yes, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.120 the thing that kind of works like a cigarette, but 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.800 because it's not a cigarette, it's now a way of 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.960 getting off cigarettes. But it's still got nicotine and it 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:18.200 still produces smoke, which means technically the person sitting next 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.280 to you wouldn't really like it as much as if 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.239 I was sitting there with a caheba. Anyway, follow along 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.200 as you will. Now we put some calls in today 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.039 to the Health Minister's office and jeez, weren't they happy 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.800 that it was us calling? Now we don't know whether 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.400 code names were used, and whether this program was announced 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.120 to whether they had to go. It's someone from scott News. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.440 Can we just ask a quick question? Who knows? But 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.440 we did get something out of them, which is okay, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.760 how does this system work because under the new system 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.680 after October of this year, you won't need a prescription anymore. 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.120 You just go to You just present yourself as if 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.680 you're buying the the cold and flu tablets, and you go, oh, 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:04.240 where's me, I've got me, I think there is, there's me, 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.560 there's me, driver's license. Yeah, two packs thing. I'm feeling 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.760 a bit so apparently, So how does this work? Now? 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.280 When it comes to the vapes. Let's say we called 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.760 the Health Minister's office and this is the best that 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.480 we can work out. You can buy a month's worth 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:26.320 of vapes at any one time. But here's the fun bit. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.000 How do you work out how much is a month's 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.320 worth of vapes that you'll be able to get from 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.360 your local chemist. Well, of course that's all in the 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.480 eye of the beholder, you see. Apparently, the way that 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:41.200 this is going to work is that you customer will 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:46.000 go to the chemist and you will tell the chemist 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.400 how much you would normally smoke if it was a 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:53.080 cigarette or a cigar or pouch tobacco or all the 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:58.440 rest of it. Right, that's the plan. In fact, the 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.000 actual quote we have from the Health as a spokesperson 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.280 was this is limited to a one month supply dependent 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:09.160 on the person and their current nicotine intake. It's a 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:14.600 limit on the nicotine concentration and also the quantity. So okay, now, 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.200 smoking bad, right, smoking bad, smoking terrible? Advocating it on 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.320 television really naughty? Right. Health department got in touch with 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.480 us and said that, you know, posters, get rid of it. Okay, 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:29.680 I am not advertising smoking, So I let's just pluck 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.840 a number. Right. Let's say I have a cigar a day, 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.960 all right, So a cigar a day, thirty days, thirty 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:43.880 one days equals one vape, two vapes because the hit 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.520 of the tobacco is a little different than somebody who 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:47.920 might be having a pack of a cigarette, or somebody 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.040 who's having a pack of cigarettes a day or two 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.040 a week, or a cart in a month. I don't know, 0:08:53.120 --> 0:09:01.960 but obviously they'll be, you know, three vapes for you. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:04.760 This is how the system will work. Now, there's no 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.800 way you will have to prove that you are somebody 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.080 who is a carton a week or a packet a day, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:16.200 or a thirty cigars a month person, and you will 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.120 end up with the vapes. And do you know an 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.520 extra thing that's amazing on top of this system, you 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.160 don't have to pay any tax. So if you purchase 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.080 any of those existing tobacco products, of course you pay tax. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.239 It'll be going up again, I think Versse to September 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.199 a couple three times a year. They put it up. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.240 Why because they want to make you give up because 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:42.000 it's too expensive. It's called a price disincentive, you see, 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.520 which is why they keep putting the tax up. So 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:49.040 eventually you go, look, I really like one, but Jesus expensive. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.400 All right, give it up. But now you can go 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.200 to the chemist telling them that you're a pack a day, 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:01.400 a carton a fortnite, make up a number. You don't 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.640 have to prove it. There's no way to prove it, 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.720 and you will end up getting x amount of vapes, 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.120 and you can have your selection whether it's going to 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.520 taste like tobacco or it's going to taste like mental menthole, 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.320 their choice. All of these, of course have to be 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:21.320 stored somewhere, which means someone may start to target your 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.880 local chemist when they've currently been targeting your local tobacconists. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.880 But who knows. This is the Greens idea. This is 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:32.160 the great idea about how to deal with this system 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.200 and there's no tax. So even if you're somebody who 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.920 absolutely loathes tobacco like ninety percent of the country that 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.800 doesn't smoke and gets the Harry hits, when someone like 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:46.400 May will light up somewhere and you well, of course, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.960 the taxation that comes through each and every year is 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:54.880 the best part of what ten eleven, twelve, fourteen billion 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:59.480 dollars that exclusively comes out of the taxes that people 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.800 pay who smoke tobacco. Now, of course, that means that 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:05.760 money goes back in and you end up with a 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.719 federal budget surplus, which is what they currently have. Or 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.720 I might dangerously say you are well and truly paying 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.240 for your and four other people's eventual interaction with the 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:23.320 health system. But under this amazing new idea, no tax, 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:30.800 no limit, no proof, just ask, and you could end 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.439 up with enough vapes to get you through the month 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:38.920 and maybe a few spare that I will predict some 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.640 dodgy people will end up selling on a new black 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:47.440 market equally, so just questions. I don't know and nobody 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.640 won Why have any details about this? Are we picking 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.640 one company that makes these things? Now? If so, we'd 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.400 like to know so we can all buy the shares, right, 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.160 I'd love to know if is it two or three 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:05.360 companies or are we basically handing the Australian non tobacco 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:10.360 smoking market to one company and if so, which company? 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.280 And how was this negotiated? And has this been decided 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.600 or will this just be decided and one day we'll 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:23.079 read about it four months after it's happened. Now again, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.600 I think there is a sensible solution here, which is 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.240 the use of vapes. But I believe that they should 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.880 be regulated like tobacco is, and it should be taxed 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.000 like tobacco is. It could be sold in the same 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.800 places and obviously in the same way that the law 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.760 currently exists that no one under the age of eighteen 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.080 can purchase them. But yes, are there time Yes, of 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.240 course there's times where it happens, but you need to 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.280 have massive penalties and massive enforcement. But instead, under the 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:54.200 labor policy which has gone from full banning to make 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.320 up how much nicotine you normally smoke and the chemist 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.480 has to give you a month's work and you declare 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:08.040 how much the month is worth a nicotine. Nothing to 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:09.719 see here, nothing at all. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:10.920 Now. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.080 Of course, for the Greens, they think it's all about 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:14.640 harm minimization. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:22.240 Using vapes won't be criminalized. That will help keep it 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.760 out of the police and court system. Make it a 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.760 health issue. You'll be able to buy vapes via a 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.000 pharmacist after having a conversation with a pharmacist. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.480 But then, ironically, one of the people who's going to 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:41.239 be voting for the legalization or this sort of permission 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.640 system and the makeup the numbers as you go along, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.720 will of course be Senator Hansoon Young, who we know 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.600 hates vaping for a perhaps different reason than the people 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.440 who used to hate va vaping. 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.560 We know there's a lot of pollution because of vaping. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.080 Wow, and she gets six years in the Senate every 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.720 time she gets re elected. What a hateful and mythogenistic 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.959 thing for him to say. Or sometimes we just can 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:18.840 laugh with you, always with you, Senator. Now, one of 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.200 the things that I think makes the Labor Party a 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:28.440 successful political organization is that, regardless of weather you like 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.960 what they're doing, if you're part of the team, you 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.280 have to pretend you agree with everything that they're doing. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.320 Why Because the Labor Party has a thing called a caucus. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.440 This means every single member of the party gets to 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.200 go behind closed doors, and one says let's go this way, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:46.800 and one says that let's go that way. And then 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.080 they have a vote and they decide they're going to 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.080 go this way, which is not the way you wanted 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.040 to go. But as soon as you walk outside, you've 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.000 got to say, I completely agree. We should have always 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:59.320 gone that way. Perfect example of this was Penny Wong. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.520 Remember the absurdity when Julia Gillard says, yeah, not to 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.880 same sex marriage for whatever reason, that would be too 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.320 big a shock. When she was the Prime minister. We 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:13.960 had to believe that this openly gay woman was completely 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.760 cool with the idea that her government was going to 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.080 go against same sex marriage. In fact, here's the receipt 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.720 that we have way back from twenty ten. And of 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.240 course we know it was all bs at the time, 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.200 because of course, this was her reaction when same sex 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.040 marriage was legalized under a liberal government. Oh that's right, 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.680 it happened under a liberal government. Wow, a couple of 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:38.280 years later. But that's the way it works. Stick together. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.640 No one has a go at the system. Nobody complains. 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.760 Anyone who complains, the system turns on them. Conversy, the 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.200 Liberal Party much more fair and they're able to say. 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.160 People can cross the floor and disagree, and that's all fine, 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.280 but in terms of message discipline, it means that generally 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.239 speaking with the Liberal Party, think about it as a 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.560 third of bedweatherers, third of right wingers and a third 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.040 of left wingers, depending how that turned out on your screen, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.040 and at any one time the bed wedders choosed to 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.840 go to the left or to the right, and whichever 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.720 third are left out of the two thirds, they're the 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.480 ones that you see on TV always generally are peddling 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.200 from a great height on whatever the idea is that 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.800 the Liberal Party is doing. When it comes to the left, 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.920 that was about they're not doing enough on climate change 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.200 or where is all the same sex marriage stuff? And 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.960 all of those MPs, of course were returned to parliament 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.840 by Center, that's right. They were all wiped out by 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:35.920 the Teals anyway. So the Liberal Party then ends up 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.200 in this situation where people can sort of openly question 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.680 and openly have a go, and that's good for the system, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.480 but it's very bad when you're trying to have a 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.840 bit of message discipline. You end up looking like you're 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.080 fighting amongst yourself. But in actual fact, the Labor Party 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.480 also fights amongst itself. They just do it behind a 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.760 closed door. As you may have heard by now, Labour 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.240 senator from Western Australia elected to the Parliament at the 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:59.680 last election, she's there for six years. In a vote 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.000 today which was about recognizing Palestine as a country and 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.200 if you would like a two state solution, probably at 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.040 some point going to have to recognize both of the states. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.920 When and how that's a debate for another time, and 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.840 let's not do it now. So of course she turns 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:20.720 around and she says, I'm voting against my party. Now. 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.160 The technical term in Camper they all love is across 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:27.720 the floor. Across the floor, she voted against her own government. 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.399 To give you an idea of how rare this is. 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.080 According to the ABC, it's the first time a Labor 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.639 politician has crossed the floor while Labor's in government since 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:45.960 nineteen eighty six. Since nineteen eighty six, Yet this Prime 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:51.000 Minister desperate not to offend Islamic voters, who, as we 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.840 have shown you before, are raging up at a campaign 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.439 right now, suggesting that Arab and Muslim voters, according to WESBS, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.560 are starting to get the Harry hits with Labour because 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:04.240 they're not come out against Israel enough and they're out 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.879 there saying Muslim vote matters, and we could decide twenty 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.000 seats if we go this way and we go that way, 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.840 and even the left. He's over at the Saturday Paper. Yeah, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:13.520 I don't worry if you haven't heard of it the 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:18.800 Saturday Paper. It's sort of really the Saturday papers. But yeah, anyway, 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:24.520 don't worry about it. So, of course, will this person 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.840 be punished for doing the first thing against her own 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.960 government since nine eighty six? Of course not. Why because 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.240 this is a pis week Prime Minister. Oh sorry, what's 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.320 the proper ternal supposed to use? We can rattle Prime Minister. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.919 I apologize a week and rattle Prime Minister. So the 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.280 first time since nineteen eighty six a Labor person has 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.639 voted against their own government for whatever reason. But it 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.439 ain't the way the system works. Penny Wong had to 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:55.640 pretend she was against same sex marriage. This senator from 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.840 Western Australia creates Labor Party history because she does because 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.080 the Labor Party does not want to throw the Muslim 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.239 vote away, and certainly does not want to throw them 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.480 into the arms of the Greens who are the ones 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.000 pushing the votes for the recognition of Palestine. In order 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.840 to get two countries recognized for the two state solution, 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:21.080 the Labor Party will take no action, none not suspended, 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:26.159 no inquiry, no expulsion. So I would now like to 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.280 appeal to all of the other Labor MPs who would 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:29.880 like to cross the floor when they know they're doing 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:36.520 the wrong thing for example, nuclear ban, climate change, vape policy, 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.960 because clearly there's no consequences or does that rule only 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.280 apply to this senator and this issue. It's a bit 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.719 like every time they fight the Greens, they're not actually 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:55.719 fighting the Greens. Now, I gave a challenge to my friends, 0:19:55.760 --> 0:20:00.520 my mates, my buddies, my soulmates, my pals in the 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.800 wider Press gallery in Canberra. Now, look, you know, I 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:04.240 love the sky on news people. I love a couple 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.919 of people outside of it. But generally speaking, the feelings 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.760 are mutual and they're all about you know, if they 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.200 wanted to, they could get all Canbra Colombo and remember 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.560 who knew what and where and all of that stuff 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:16.600 we got for a couple of years about a senator's 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.199 office and who went where and who knew and what 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.440 and there to lift up the cup. All the details 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.240 were there to be followed, and I threw out the 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.760 challenge to them, can you help us answer a couple 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:30.800 of questions. A couple of questions about Matt Kean joining 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.120 Albo's team while heading up the Climate authority that will, 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.560 among other things, set the target for twenty thirty five, 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.000 which is expected to be anywhere between sixty five and 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:45.000 seventy five percent reduction of one percent of the world's 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.600 global emissions. China, of course, will continue to do whatever 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.560 it wants. We're thirty percent of global emissions until twenty 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.800 thirty but Matt Kean will be in charge of the 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.639 organization that will decide what those targets are. And then 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:58.840 the government says, oh, it's not our choice. It's not 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.080 our choice. It was an independent organization of taps what 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.680 to do, even though you've just seen they've handpicked the guy. Well, 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:11.560 as you remember, Matt Kean last Tuesday was still a 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.240 member of the News of Oils parliament. Actually technically still 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:15.960 a member of the News of OL's parliament because the 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.680 resignation hasn't come into effect yet. But whatever one week 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.760 ago is when Matt Kean decided that he was done 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:27.400 with politics, he was moving on to a different role, 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.480 and we had five questions that one week later, if 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:35.919 he turned up now working for the Albanese government, that 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.320 maybe there's a few what do they used to say? 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.840 Questions to answer? Wasn't that the one that Katie Gallaha 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.680 and the mean girls always used to ask during the 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.399 stuff from a couple of years ago, The Prime ministers 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:51.040 questions to answer, Well, here's a few questions to answer. 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.920 When did the government know the current chair of the 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.600 Climate Authority was going to go? Did the government interview 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.760 any other candidates to replace this person? Did the government 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:07.080 approach Matt Kean or did he approached them? If the 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.399 government approached, when did they approach And failing all of that, 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:12.280 uka if we send this thing off to the National 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.920 Integrity and Corruption Commission to have a look at well. 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.520 I predicted last night that we were going to get 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.119 a couple of answers to these questions via friendly media, 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:26.119 which is why there was this story which popped up 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:30.520 in the Channel nine news services over the past few hours, 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.560 which has told us exactly the behind the scenes about 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.880 who and when and how many of those questions they 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:39.800 can or can't can't answer now to give you an 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:45.320 idea of the poetry that was built around this beautiful 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:50.119 meeting of a liberal renegade and a labor prime minister 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.399 at the top of his game, I would like to 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:56.040 invoke an impersonation or dare I say, channel the spirit 0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:00.280