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Speaker 1: Get.

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Speaker 2: It's a busy and we Are podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you know about this, Swifties, but

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Speaker 3: there is a new twenty four to seven station dedicated

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Speaker 3: to Taylor Swift. It's available now to stream via the

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Speaker 3: Nova website and the Nova Player app.

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Speaker 4: I've been on this NonStop because you ever find when

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Speaker 4: you put Taylor on yourself, you automatically gravitate towards the

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Speaker 4: songs you want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, on this.

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Speaker 4: They're picking the playlist for you. You're just enjoying someone

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Speaker 4: else's curation.

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Speaker 2: I love that, Miss Swift. For me, I can't decide

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Speaker 2: anything else.

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Speaker 3: I know it's Christmas, There's too many things to think about.

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Speaker 3: It's a smaller sport of Taylor Swift and it's available now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Educate. It is the podcast with Jess, Lizzie

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Speaker 3: and Me and I get educated on everything Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 3: Lizzie has a very interesting theory for us today. Are

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Speaker 3: you going to talk us through it? What do we got?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely So.

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Speaker 5: We were just talking before the show and you were

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Speaker 5: saying that you even picked up this book that I'm

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Speaker 5: about to talk about this morning.

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Speaker 2: Did you? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I did, But you know what I did? Put it

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Speaker 3: down I actually put it back down because it's the

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Speaker 3: book I've started, and I've decided I'm going to start

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Speaker 3: reading The Woman from Wolcup. But anyway, you're going.

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Speaker 5: To pick it up again as soon as you get home.

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Speaker 4: The Widow of Welcome the Widow of Witches about Do

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Speaker 4: you know anything about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I do?

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Speaker 3: We know what?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, no, anyway, that's for another podcast.

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Speaker 2: That's for our book club podcast. Listened to that. Should

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Speaker 2: we do? We actually should?

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Speaker 4: The boys are going to kill us if we put

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Speaker 4: one more bone with my apop, but they're not bloody on.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk offline about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So anyway, I went to pick up this

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Speaker 3: other book.

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Speaker 5: Yes, which is named The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what's that got to do with today?

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Speaker 5: Okay, So if you haven't heard about this book, you've

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Speaker 5: been living under a rock. Jess recommended it to me,

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Speaker 5: and I'd been recommended it a few times, couldn't you know?

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Speaker 5: Was like, oh, yeah, I'll get to that. I've seen

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Speaker 5: it everywhere. No, it's an emergency. You need to go

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Speaker 5: home and read it. It's really urgent that you read it.

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Speaker 5: Because as soon as Jess recommended it to me because

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Speaker 5: Jess is amazing in the smartest person I know. I

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Speaker 5: was like, okay, but I need to I sorry, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 5: but where's your book recommendation?

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Speaker 3: I was reading The Woman that I can't even get it.

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Speaker 3: I can't even get the widow of Welcome the Murderer

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Speaker 5: So basically everyone would have seen this book, but it

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Speaker 5: was written by an author called Taylor Jenkins read which

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Speaker 5: let's just start there. The author's name is also Taylor.

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Speaker 4: Talk about an invisible strength, invisible Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yay, get that one. I love that song.

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Speaker 2: It's such a great song.

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Speaker 5: So I don't want to give too much way and

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Speaker 5: spoil it for the readers.

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Speaker 2: And there's a.

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Speaker 3: Big because I've started it, so I will. I will

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Speaker 3: read it because it came recommended to me.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, not from me though he's the smartest person,

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Speaker 5: For people who are listening, The novel tells the story

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Speaker 5: of the fictional old Hollywood star Evelyn Hugo, who, at

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Speaker 5: the age of seventy nine, decides to give a final

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Speaker 5: interview to an unknown journal this Monique Grant. I can't

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Speaker 5: I don't want to say too much more because I'm

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Speaker 5: scared I'm going to ruin it. But basically what jess

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Speaker 5: Is explained to me as well before reading it, you

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Speaker 5: But this book, I believe, you believe a lot of

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Speaker 5: other swift Is believe is basically about Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Which which character is Taylor though? Is she the journalist

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Speaker 3: It'd be like we're looking into the future of Taylor Swift,

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Speaker 3: as if.

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Speaker 5: As if Taylor has sat down, you know, at the

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Speaker 5: end of her huge career with all the things we've

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Speaker 5: didn't date that person, or yes I did, or here's

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Speaker 5: this thing that you didn't know about this movie or

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Speaker 5: album that I did. The book is, first of all,

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Speaker 2: It's a phenomenal. It's it's incredible all the time I read.

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Speaker 2: I've read it three times and I've listened to the

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Speaker 5: I read it in a day, and as soon as

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Speaker 5: And I said, I'm going to start reading it again

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Speaker 5: today because I just miss Evelyn.

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Speaker 5: Oh you'll love it, Okay, But basically there's a whole

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Speaker 2: So I'm not going to get too deep into it. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Literal sentences within the books that are exact lyrics of

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Speaker 3: Has anyone chatted to the author about this?

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Speaker 5: Yes, And someone tweeted the author and said, could Evelyn

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Speaker 5: be Taylor Swift? And the author replied and said, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And so this first kind of triggered in my mind

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Speaker 4: into different songs. And there was one song that she

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Speaker 4: Thousand Cuts from Memory, and she said this song was

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Speaker 4: And then I was on my honeymoon and the Lover

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Speaker 3: You'll Never Forget Honeymoon Anniversary.

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Speaker 4: It was a Thursday in Vaniwatu and it was wonderful anyway.

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Speaker 4: So I was reading through this book and there's this

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Speaker 4: But as soon as I saw that, I had to

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Speaker 2: Say she's read this book for whatever reason. And so

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Speaker 5: Book, there's this huge moment that you've been building up

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Speaker 5: And then we have a bit, obviously from Taylor's song

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Speaker 3: So hang on. Are you saying that Taylor has seen

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Speaker 3: this book has come out before this song.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a few songs of Taylor's that have come

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Speaker 1: That ends well. But I'm in a new hell every time.

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Speaker 4: And can I note on that one? So that's come

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Speaker 5: Yes, the chess cat's smile mentioned in the book, which

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest one for me is probably Maroon.

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Speaker 4: It's a big moment for Evelyn and for one of

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Speaker 2: And then in Maroon we hear this.

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Speaker 4: So if you listen to that full song Maroon, which

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Speaker 2: So it's like, I just feel like this book as

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Speaker 2: exactly Visy and with her with Kate Ritchie podcast.

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Speaker 5: I think it's gotten to the point for me where

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Speaker 4: He's actually thinking that would be, which is a question

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Speaker 2: Yes, and especially because the song Lavender.

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Speaker 5: Hayes and the idea of Oh, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: Don't spoil it.

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Speaker 3: Don't spoil it now, because what I want to do

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Speaker 3: is go home and read the book.

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Speaker 2: That's what I said. It's an emergency, urgent, urgent, urgent.

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Speaker 3: We need a shy in here or something. Sorry, well

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Speaker 3: maybe not everyone.

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

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Speaker 4: That is the airhorn we use one of because book

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Speaker 2: It's much better than we be a different one.

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Speaker 3: Could there be a moment? I mean, I know that

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Speaker 3: you're saying that Taylor Swift has been heavily influenced by

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Speaker 3: the book. It's probably it's given her loads of inspiration,

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Speaker 2: Could this all.

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Speaker 3: Come together at some point, and we know that she

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Speaker 2: Just had a thought, stop, Okay, what if this is

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Speaker 3: Maybe they've written it together.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not even thinking that, but I like that

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Speaker 4: about all the relationships she had or didn't have, the

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Speaker 4: ones we saw, the ones we did, and referencing this

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Speaker 4: book is a very early years long East egg.

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Speaker 2: To say, yes that that's gonna happen. Look look at me,

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Speaker 2: Look at my arms. Goosies, goosey goosies. If not out

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Speaker 2: did you just knits.

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Speaker 3: A hard, silent scream.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to worry that after I'd played the

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Speaker 4: airhorn it might have been too loud.

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Speaker 2: But can't you see that happening? I will this, Jess.

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Speaker 4: You did this to me by reading this book into

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Speaker 4: my life. I almost want to fast forward my life

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Speaker 4: just to see if we get this. You will need to.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to step in here because you want

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Speaker 3: to fast forward your life and no see your darling boy.

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Speaker 2: I know and I've just had a baby, childhood.

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Speaker 4: This is how important this is to me, and Harry

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Speaker 4: book called Harry one of the best. Harry, He's the

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Speaker 4: best character. Easy Anyway, I highly recommend the book, Blie.

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Speaker 4: I'd love for people to reach out. In fact, go

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Speaker 4: to Kate's DMS. If you've read it, hit Kate up

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Speaker 4: in the DMS. Don't spoil anything please, she needs to

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Speaker 4: read it. But we'd love your thoughts on it and

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Speaker 4: maybe it would start a book club.

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Speaker 2: Educate books you should be reading.

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Speaker 5: That relate to Taylor, and Kate has just given us

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Speaker 5: one we can add today as our Christmas present, the

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Speaker 5: Taylor Swift Golden Book.

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Speaker 2: From Wolka from Vodka.

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Speaker 3: I hope you love your book. It's so very long.

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Speaker 2: It's the best present in the world.

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Speaker 4: Almost like you knew our reading capabilities. Will we surprised

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Speaker 4: you with the joint book he read.

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