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Speaker 1: straight talk, thanks for having me, mate, So one podcast

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Speaker 2: Exactly has to be interviewed. Oh mate, it's a bit.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I think it's actually a lot easier being where you

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Speaker 3: you sort of forget what it's like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but when I'm interviewing a podcaster, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: I actually listened to that and me as.

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Speaker 1: Like great talent, and I found the conversation started to

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Speaker 1: become more of a conversation. You know, we carry on a

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Speaker 1: get the brief. I got the brief. The podcaster, the

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Speaker 1: they start to make it more conversationally. Me has started

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Speaker 1: the whole podcaster world and in just about this concept

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Speaker 1: of conversation. What do you learned. Now I just quickly

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Speaker 2: I've learned so much from it.

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Speaker 3: It's it's honestly been for me in a selfish way,

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Speaker 3: it's been like a degree in life, Like I'm so

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Speaker 3: I've always been a really curious guy, and sometimes I

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Speaker 1: Okay, still just start a curiosity because a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: It's like the place where I'll say things. A lot

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Speaker 3: my best friend, because it can make you know, it

438
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Speaker 3: makes me who I am, It makes me consider, it

439
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,960
Speaker 3: makes me curious, makes me fun to hopefully bear around.

440
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 3: But also it can be you know, if I'm not

441
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,359
Speaker 3: managing it, it can be really challenging as well.

442
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 1: When you're a kid, Yeah, yeah, obviously don't recognize you

443
00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,760
Speaker 1: have these sort of irrational worries. You don't realize the

444
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,679
Speaker 1: worries are irrational. They're not based on any logic, but

445
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 1: always because when you're a kid, though, everything's possible. That's

446
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,879
Speaker 1: the great thing about the kid. Everything's possible. Nothing is

447
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 1: impossible as a kid. Did you ever express those concerns

448
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 1: to your parents?

449
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,160
Speaker 2: Not once.

450
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 3: I don't think I spoke to anyone until I was

451
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:42,920
Speaker 3: about twenty six years old.

452
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 1: Do your parents notice it? Did they say, what's wrong

453
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,880
Speaker 1: with your deal? That way? You feel like that way?

454
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,160
Speaker 2: I think they probably would.

455
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 3: Like there was just some weird start things I was doing,

456
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 3: like you know, obviously being you know, in high school

457
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 3: and not being able to sort of go in to

458
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 3: school camp is, you know, and I was like to

459
00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 3: think of myself as having a lot of mates and

460
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 3: things like that, and just had to make up that

461
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,879
Speaker 3: I had No I wasn't a loner, and it was

462
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 3: sort of hard to hide because like I was technically

463
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 3: like you know, I had a lot of mates doing things,

464
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 3: and I was like, no, I just don't want to

465
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Speaker 3: do it.

466
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Speaker 2: But I suppose later in life, you know.

467
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Speaker 3: That sort of even manifested into some performance anxiety when

468
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 3: I was playing sport and I really struggled to get

469
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 3: up for game day. So even when I was playing

470
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 3: af and get your mind ready, yeah, mine ready for

471
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 3: game day, Like I'd love playing sports and love doing

472
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Speaker 3: the week was fantastic leading up as as loved everything

473
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Speaker 3: about it, but as soon as game day came, I was.

474
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Speaker 2: Just like fucking hell, like I don't want to do this,

475
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 2: Like how can.

476
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Speaker 1: I get out of it?

477
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 3: This is like you know, driving to the MCG when

478
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 3: you're like, should be absolutely wrap that you've got a

479
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 3: game and you're playing, and I'm like thinking, fuck, you know,

480
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 3: maybe if I break my leg in the first quarter,

481
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Speaker 3: then I'll be done.

482
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Speaker 2: So just go out there and go as hard as

483
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 2: you and just see what happens.

484
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Speaker 1: Is it a fuel of failure?

485
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Speaker 3: I mean probably, Yeah, there's a lot there, and I

486
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 3: think it's sounds so stupid to me saying that now,

487
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 3: like to someone who doesn't like Maybe people listening can

488
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 3: relate to that. But when you don't speak about it,

489
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 3: you're out to people. You just believe the things you're thinking.

490
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 3: So until I got my opportunity actually up here at

491
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 3: the Giants, I had six years of Carlton and then

492
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 3: two years up here in Sydney, I ended up sitting

493
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Speaker 3: down with the guy at psychologist and I was like, look,

494
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: I've never told anyone this because I thought they'd go

495
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 3: tell the coaches then, like while we play a blow

496
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: that doesn't even want to get out there and play.

497
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 3: And he was like, man, this is normal, Like it's

498
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 3: okay to feel like this, so you can. And I

499
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 3: was like, fuck, thank god, thank god, Like I thought

500
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 3: I was going crazy, you know. And I think that's

501
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 3: the isolating part of when you live in your own

502
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Speaker 3: head and you don't speak to people about certain things

503
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: you can, it does get very lonely. You think that

504
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 3: there is something wrong with you and you can't, yeah,

505
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: you can't sort of get it together.

506
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Speaker 2: But it was super challenging times.

507
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Speaker 3: I look back now and how open I am with

508
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 3: it now and talking about certain things.

509
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Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, I would never have told anyone.

510
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: That because I was just so embarrassed, well, particularly back

511
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: a generation, like it's nearly like the something wrong with it,

512
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: like you're weak or yeah, you're inadequate. I remember, It's funny.

513
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: I know he was just to say that about that.

514
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: I used to have dreams and I didn't play at

515
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: your level. But I'm just talking as a young guy,

516
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: like a teenager playing footy rugby league. I used to

517
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 1: have dreams about on game day. I would dream that

518
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: I either forgot my mouthguard or I only had one boot.

519
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah right. And I used to you know later on

520
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: offe I thought maybe I felt as I wasn't properly prepared.

521
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 1: I hadn't trained properly or wasn't prepared and I paid

522
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Speaker 1: a rep level. But I was only a teenager fifteen,

523
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 1: sixteen seventy, and I usually there was something wrong with me,

524
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: and it was often it was like a repeating dream.

525
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: And until I found that one of my best mates,

526
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Speaker 1: who was like the gun guy, played in a playing

527
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Speaker 1: n r L. He used to have the same dreams,

528
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Speaker 1: and I thought, shit, I felt much better because it

529
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: was more normalized. I became normalized. But because I didn't,

530
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: I just happened to mention to him, oh I'm mad,

531
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: there's a mad dream and left my mouth. I turned

532
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Speaker 1: about my mouth guard or I had one boot and

533
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: he said, I have the same dreams. And isn't it

534
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: funny once you talk to someone that's a pair.

535
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 3: Of conversation even podcasting, you know, like someone in this

536
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 3: conversation now ie might learn from something today, like about that,

537
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: and I don't feel as alone, Like I think that

538
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 3: the only time something that you know gives me it's

539
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 3: a harsh reality, but it's like such a good perspective

540
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 3: and you can't take offense to it. Is like no

541
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: one actually sort of gives a fuck about you, Like

542
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 3: you're so irrelevant of anything. And as soon as you

543
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: somewhat can like come to terms with that and actually

544
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 3: learn to love it, it does make your life a

545
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 3: lot easier. And I think that in saying that and

546
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: bring it back to that point, it's like no one

547
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: gives a damn and you're not You're not the first

548
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 3: person or the last person to go through that situation.

549
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 3: So like anything that's happened as probably happened to someone else,

550
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: and it's probably happening to a lot.

551
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: Of other people.

552
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: And for me, someone who's experienced times like that when

553
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: you do feel so alone, you think you're the only

554
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 3: person that's ever had a certain thought or any you know,

555
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 3: you've done a certain thing and then you racked a

556
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 3: certain way. Super comforting, super comforting to learn that this

557
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: is something that a lot of people go through and

558
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: you don't feel alone at all.

559
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: It's a good point you made, because you know, often

560
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: we think, oh, he will never nothing will ever happen

561
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: to him. Look at him. He's got his dad, and

562
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, he's talented, naturally talented, genetically talented, he's you know,

563
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: he's playing for Colton and he's playing for the Giants.

564
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: You know, look how good is it? And then you

565
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: say that and someone goes, oh shit, Like people look

566
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: at me, they think, oh wow, he's done this. Like

567
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: as soon as I and I don't want to go talk,

568
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: throw out their vulnerabilities all that shit, But every one.

569
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: Of us, everyone, you could do straight talk with ten

570
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 3: people out streaming out of a better story than me.

571
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all got vulnerability.

572
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: Everyone's got a great story.

573
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. The point becoming though, it's important to talk about it.

574
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: For your own sake for sure.

575
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: You said before that part about like me telling this

576
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: today actually helps me continue to train it and keep

577
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: going about it. So that's why I actually there's a

578
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: selfishness to being vulnerable, and I think people talk about

579
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: this or there's a selfishness to telling your story because

580
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 3: it actually continues to reinforce the same things that you

581
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 3: want to continue.

582
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: And that was sort of my point. There is a selfishness.

583
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

584
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean I had a guy sitting here one podcast

585
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: go called Danny Abdullah and Danny you probably don't know

586
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: the story, but because you're for Victoria, but it's a

587
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: lot of people sitting about him and his wife, and

588
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of his kids. Three of his

589
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: kids died or two of his kids died, and one

590
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: of his nephews or nieces died where they were just

591
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: walking up the road with their cousins, et cetera to

592
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: get an ice cream and unfortunately a guy who's drunk

593
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 1: and hit him in the car and he saw them

594
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: his kids die and and Danny is a master of

595
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: forgiveness now he never used to be, but it's become

596
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: a master of forgiveness. You know what he said to me,

597
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: he said, I do it for selfish reasons. He said,

598
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,239
Speaker 1: unless I can forgive that person, he said, I'm going

599
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: to be personally, will be tormented for the rest of

600
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: my life, and I've been no good to the rest

601
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: of my family. And he since had more children, and

602
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, one of the things I've learned

603
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: from being a podcast host is that people want to

604
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: talk about themselves because there is a self interest in that.

605
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: It's actually therapeutic, and there's actually also belief. Building helps

606
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: you build the things you believe about yourself because everything

607
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: we all have a story about ourselves. I don't give

608
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: a shit who you are. You might have story about

609
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: yourself that you're a failure. That's because you keep building

610
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 1: on the story that you fail, and you keep actually

611
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: presenting yourself as a failure, and you keep reaffirming yourself

612
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: you're a failure, and you become a failure, you become

613
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: the thing you believe in about yourself. And that's what

614
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: neuroplasticity is all about. You can actually change that and

615
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: plasticity meaning you change the story about yourself.

616
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: And I think that's probably one of the biggest things

617
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: that has helped me a lot like there was literally

618
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 3: a conversation I remember I had with the same conversation

619
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: with that psychologist I was chatting about would have been

620
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: the same meeting, right, Like, I've got my money's worth

621
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: in this chat. Or maybe it was just the time

622
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 3: my life where I was like reading to listening to

623
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: things and actually take them on board buttly exactly what

624
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: you're talking about, in the sense of one of my

625
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: biggest key indicators is language and how I speak to

626
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: myself and what I say, because ultimately what I say

627
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: is what I'll.

628
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: Do and what I'll become.

629
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Speaker 3: And I remember one day I was talking about this

630
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: old like fable and it was about the wolf, these

631
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: two wolves, and this grandpa was still your grandson, and

632
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: he's telling this story about the two wolves. Ones positivity

633
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: and one's negativity, or ones like winning and one's failing,

634
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: and they've got to eat right, and there's a battle

635
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: and they're always trying to get stronger and and you've

636
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: got to feed them right. So positive it is like winning, gratitude,

637
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 3: loved loved ones, you know, go and have for dinners,

638
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: all those sort of things. Negativity is you know, drinking

639
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: too much, hanging out with the wrong crowd doing things

640
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: that don't align with your values, and anyway, they come

641
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: and they fight, and the grandson's perks of the grand

642
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: point and goes, oh, like which one wins? He said,

643
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: like whatever one you feed, meaning they're not going to

644
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: none of them are ever going to die. Negativity is

645
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: always going to be there, But the less you feed it,

646
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: the weaker.

647
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: It's going to be.

648
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 3: Like if you continually feed that positive wolf and you're

649
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: doing all those things that equate to that wolf being

650
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: so strong, you build that wolf up to becoming something

651
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: that is just a fierce you know, like something that

652
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: just cannot be reckoned with that negativeness is going to

653
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: be so weak it just can't battle.

654
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: The other ones.

655
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: So for me, that came to language.

656
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: It came to the way I speak about things like

657
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: instead of you know, I always listen to people, especially

658
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: young people, when they talk and they go, fuck fuck this,

659
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: I'll never do that, And I said, yeah, not with

660
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: that attitude, like.

661
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: As a joke, like, not with that attitude.

662
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 3: But if you say I haven't done this yet, you

663
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: see that the change just in that language, like I

664
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: haven't done it yet, Like there's still a possibility to

665
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: go into but if you write your off straight away,

666
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: self off straight away, and again this is just affirming

667
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: it to myself unless as an example, you never hear

668
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: me say fuck this, I've never done that. Oh fuck it,

669
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. Like you're straight away

670
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: you're telling yourself you can't do it.

671
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: So how did you get from being the kid who

672
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: didn't or the younger man who was I didn't want

673
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: to go play the game after prepare really well? Also

674
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: the kid who didn't want to go on a camp

675
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: because of I don't want to leave home those reasons.

676
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: But how did you become Was there a moment in

677
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: your life where you that's it And I got to

678
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: change the narrative in my own mind to myself and

679
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: I and because I wouldn't mid knowing what your technique was,

680
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: How did that happen? When did it happen? Do you

681
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: remember it being in that crossover period?

682
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: Look, there's no one day you wake up and you've

683
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: just got it. It's a skill. I've learn it as

684
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: a skill, You've got to continue.

685
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: It's a technique like you might say ten things in

686
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: a day and only catch one of them, and then

687
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: the next day you're actually picking.

688
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: Up on three.

689
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: But you've got to be concious of it.

690
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: You've got to be conscious, and you've got to listen

691
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: to it and be conscious of what you're saying. And

692
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: I almost got so addicted to this. I was listening

693
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: to other people and going, I wouldn't say that. I

694
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't say it like that because it became so addictive

695
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: for my like to be this person. Then you start

696
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: as little wins. You start saying like, Okay, I feel

697
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: a bit better, I feel a.

698
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: Bit more positive.

699
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: Things are going my way, and things are happening at

700
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: a better rate. So for me, that was a massive

701
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: win in that sense of being able to to one

702
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: just change the language, which then changed how I felt

703
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: about myself, my relationship with myself, and then how I

704
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: ended up feeling about myself as well.

705
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: It's you being a sportsperson, you know, and knowing how

706
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: to train for his second And if I could just

707
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: use the rower, you know, the rowing machine, which I hate.

708
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: I hate that but because it's tough, so hard, it

709
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: is half and but one of the things I know,

710
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: like what you're saying is if I keep saying that,

711
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: I won't do it exactly, but I know It's really

712
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: good for me because you know, EXI is just about

713
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: every muscle anybody. It's great for everything, aerobic everything. So

714
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: what I find is if Okay, I'll do one minute,

715
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: they'n I'll do two minutes. The next week I'll do

716
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: two sessions of three minutes, and I keep building and

717
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: building building. That's no different what you're saying though, So

718
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: in a physiological sense, I can overcome something and actually

719
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: make it my go to. Now rowing is my go to.

720
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna, I'm gonna rail yep. With your brain, I

721
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: think the same and your emotions and your mentality, I

722
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: think the same thing exists.

723
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: Like you just said, it's consistency, repetition, all those things.

724
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: And like in fairness, we'll chatting before about this wristbands

725
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: we've got on these whoops and I for me, the

726
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: first thing to go when I'm feeling myself is the

727
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: first thing too that goes when I'm feeling myself in

728
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: being busy. And I'm actually very curious about you because

729
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: you're you're in some very good condition for an old bloke,

730
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 3: well for anyone in great nick and I think for

731
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: me that's something that the correlation between how you feel

732
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: about yourself, your mental health, and your physical health. You know,

733
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: there's an incredible correlation there that's undeniable of obviously scientifically

734
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: as well.

735
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: How how you.

736
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: Feel, what you eat, what you do, how you sleep,

737
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: all those things are so important. And you know from

738
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: what I've taught been taught with my SYC that I

739
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: go on see is just like almost thinking about things

740
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: as a pyramid, and your strongest base is those four things, right,

741
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: So it's like eat, sleep, your general fitness and your

742
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: general health and.

743
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: Those community that having a community.

744
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: Well, yes, yeah, definitely, yeah, I think the I'll go

745
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 3: back to this point because I think that's a really

746
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: good point up for discussion, out for debate. But those

747
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: four are the bottom right a pyramid that has to

748
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: be super stable. If you're not getting those four things right,

749
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: you're not going to be actively involved and at the

750
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: best for your community. So it's been something really hard

751
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: for me to actually get my head around because as

752
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: a father and now who the most important thing to

753
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: me in my life is my son and I've got

754
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: another baby jew in May.

755
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really exciting.

756
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: But prior to this, like it brought up a lot

757
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: of like things, you know, as I said before, you

758
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: really have your own childhood.

759
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: How the fuck am I going to do this? How

760
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a dad?

761
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: And I think like for me, I was prioritizing business

762
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: and family and then myself was third and I was

763
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: just breaking down all the time, like whether it be

764
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: health mentally, physically, just feeling like shit, and then I'd

765
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: come back and I'd be a shit version of myself

766
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: for them. So the biggest thing for me now is

767
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 3: like how can I get those four things right so

768
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: that the second layer, being family, friends, community, is optimal.

769
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: So I think for me, it's like being in a

770
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: really good place in all those four and even if

771
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to do it, like I don't necessarily

772
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: love doing those four things, but the reward it gives

773
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: me to get back in that that system, that process

774
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: keeping myself as like as healthy as I can physically be,

775
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: Like health is wealth. You know, I've had health issues,

776
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: I've had some mental health stuff that's been super super

777
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: frustrating at times. But as as soon as you go

778
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: to those points, all you want is your health. All

779
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: you want to do is be focusing on what's important,

780
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: because then you can be a better version of yourself

781
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: for everyone else.

782
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: It's a bit like that, you think when you get

783
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: on their plane, they say, yeah, look if the oxygen

784
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: mask drops down and one drop center your kid as well.

785
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: Put you on on first, because if you're good, good anyone.

786
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: If you pass out, you can't put theirs on correct.

787
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: So it's exactly that, And I think, like, how did

788
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: you manage with that? Like is that something that you've

789
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: faced in your life? Like if you put business and

790
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 3: family first before yourself. I've always found it quite something

791
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: you've got to be on top of.

792
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: More recently, I've realized I've got to prioritize myself, actually

793
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: prioritize myself. I think I did a sort of instinctively,

794
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: just out of ha. So I'm a routine person, and

795
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 1: I know the shit routines where I have a shit time,

796
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: and I know the good routines. So I took me

797
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: a while to work out or to actually think about that,

798
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: because often I'd have a really good routine and then

799
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: i'd drop off the edge and I'd go through a

800
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: shit routine and that means drinking and all the other stuff,

801
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: and then I'd pay the price and I get back

802
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: up on the horse. And I go back through the

803
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: good routine, But it was like I was trying to

804
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: test myself or punish myself for being healthy. But these days,

805
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm much more honest. These days, I've actually prioritized my health.

806
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: All the things you talked about, sleep, nutrition, exercise. I

807
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: prioritize those ahead of everything. Not because I don't want

808
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: to be unhealthy, but because in order to be a

809
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: good father and a good grandfather and good at this

810
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: and be able to just how to meet my obligations perform,

811
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: I have to be that. I have to be. I

812
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: don't afford to have those dips. I mean, I still

813
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: will have a dip every now and life, you know,

814
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: but not self imposed. Yeah, you just get dips.

815
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: Because that's not to say it's not to say that

816
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: if you have a good routine you're never going to

817
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: face anything in your life like you're still going to,

818
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: but you're probably able to manage it a lot better.

819
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: You're giving yourself gives the absolute best chance, and I

820
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: wasn't giving myself the best chance at all.

821
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: Well does that come from?

822
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: What did you?

823
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: If you look back at your parents, did you learn

824
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: any stuff from your parents? I definitely didn't, But no,

825
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: because it's not a thing that they sort of they

826
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: were aware of. I don't think, But would you teach

827
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: your kids this?

828
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: Oh definitely, it's you know, it's something that's huge for me.

829
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: Like I take my son out and my old man

830
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 3: have played a lot of footy obviously, and I knew

831
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: how good he was, but.

832
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: There's a footy world, yeah exactly.

833
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: But by the time he'd finished, he was retired and

834
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: put on a lot of weight, doing a lot of

835
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: drinking and injuries, injuries, so he was never he was

836
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 3: never running or active. And I was actually chatting about

837
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: a mate with this this morning. Like the coolest thing

838
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: I did recently. I was up in holiday with the

839
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: family and my brother in law. We went for a

840
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: run and he's got three boys. I've got one boy

841
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: and they walk out they're like, Dad, you know, where

842
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: are you guys going? And I'm like, oh, what is

843
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: going for a run? Mate? We will be back And

844
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: I was ran off, going that's fucking cool, Like these

845
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: four boys, like you know, cousins, are just seeing their

846
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: dad and uncle go for a run for fitness and

847
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: then they're going to come back and do a bit

848
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: of a workout. I was like I never saw that,

849
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: and imagine then like the impression that that's going to

850
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: have on them. And then they grow up they want

851
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: to train, they want to be fit, they want to

852
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: be a part of it. And I'm not saying that

853
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: didn't happen for me, but it was a different you know,

854
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 3: my dad had me a little bit later in life

855
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: when that wasn't you know, he wasn't in that aspect

856
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: of his life and the routine of those things weren't there.

857
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: So again I had to probably learn that from other

858
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: people later.

859
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: On in life.

860
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: But yet something for me that's super important to be

861
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: that that not such a role model obviously to be

862
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: doing those things and having good habits, but to be

863
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: showing that you have to care of yourself. And I

864
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: think that, you know, there could be people listening going,

865
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 3: fuck that. You know, I have to look out for

866
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: my family first, And I totally get that, Like that's

867
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: very admirable, but you have to look after yourself first,

868
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: I believe now, like I've tried that. But if you

869
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: want to be at one hundred percent, I'm so much

870
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: better at being a dad when I'm healthy, Like if

871
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: I'm absolutely rat shit working myself to the bone, not

872
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: physically eating shit, anxious, annoyed, pissed off, Like you go

873
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: home and you bring that energy home with you.

874
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: So it's been a big learning for me this year.

875
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: It's been a really big learning for me.

876
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: Are you into the whole energy concept, bad energy, good energy? Yeah? Yeah,

877
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm afraid we're real weirder. Yeah, Like, give me a

878
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: bit of that.

879
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: Where are you going with it first?

880
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: So I don't go super weird, but no, go weird. Yeah,

881
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: because I'm weird, So it's okay.

882
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, ah, depends how weird you want to go.

883
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: But I'm definitely into like the universe, like you know, manifestation,

884
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: all those things, like I believe, you know, to go

885
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: really weird on you.

886
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 2: Like I don't believe in religion.

887
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: I'm not a religious person, Like I don't believe that

888
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: there's like a person that's sitting in the sky and

889
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: makes decisions. But what I do really like about religion

890
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 3: in the sense of a higher power is the fact

891
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: that you know, like, if you're a good person, you

892
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: do good things, you work hard, you feel good about yourself.

893
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: You do feel like that if you put that into

894
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 3: the world, good energy is going to come.

895
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: Back to you.

896
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a bit like Buddhist.

897
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know a lot about Buddhism.

898
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 3: But for me, you know, the way that I view

899
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: things is I just believe in the universe, like I

900
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: believe that if I put good energy out there, I

901
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: work hard, I do the things I'm going to do,

902
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: good energy comes back to me and you can feel it.

903
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: You know, when you're doing something that's not aligned with you,

904
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 3: that disassociation piece, you can feel that energy that doesn't

905
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: come back the way you want.

906
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: So for me, it's been it's almost a sense of religion.

907
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: But I'd almost just believing in the energy of the

908
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: universe that what I put out there is going to

909
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: come back to me.

910
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: Well, if I could just did I just invent Buddhism? No, no,

911
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: but you just threw itself straight into it. But well,

912
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: if I could just put a like a slight loss

913
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: on that, there is a very one of the most

914
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: famous physics exponents in the twentieth century, last century, which

915
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: is not that longer, was a guy called Schrodinger. And

916
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: Schrodinger whilst like a super physics genius, Okay, he succeeded Einstein,

917
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: so he was the next guy after Einstein, who was

918
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: most of the best known physicists in the world. And

919
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: he has this concept around religion, but not around religion,

920
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: but about let's call the higher power. Let's call religion

921
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: the system, the administration of the higher power, spirituality. But

922
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: he has this concept of called you mentioned universe. But

923
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: he had this concept of what he called universal consciousness,

924
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: and it's about He says that one of the fundamental

925
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: laws of physics is that energy that exists in everything,

926
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: everything never The fundamental concept is that energy never disappears,

927
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: it just changes form. So you know, you can't say heat,

928
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: energy disappears, it just changes form into some other form

929
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: of energy. And he took the view that when we die,

930
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: our consciousness still exists, but it forms part of the

931
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: universal consciousness, and that all of our energies go into

932
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: one place, and that one universal consciousness is there to

933
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: assist us or actually impede us. It exists out there

934
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: right now. So we you know, like if someone dies, think, oh,

935
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: you can't, it doesn't make sense to say they're dead,

936
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: because a moment ago, when they're alive, they had a

937
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: certain energy about it and had a spirit or a

938
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: soul or whatever. The world is you want to use,

939
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: but associate with it. And he tried to explo playing

940
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: this away in his work by building this concept of

941
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: the universe and the universe universe of consciousness, and it

942
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: just not just us. It's animals, it's plants, it's every

943
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: other planet in the Solar System that might have something

944
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: similar to us. It exists in the whole of the universe,

945
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: and it is around us all the time.

946
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: That's cool.

947
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: And so his book of Universal Consciousness, I think it's

948
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: called Universe Consciousness. The book. I've read the book coming

949
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: over the name of it, but it's along the lines

950
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about. And I think this stuff is for

951
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: real and it's not God. We choose, you know, going

952
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: back ancient times. We choose to put labels on everything.

953
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: You know, that's our human nature. Everything's got a name.

954
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: It was Zeus, and it became God, and it became Jesus,

955
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: and it became Mohammed and Allah and like it's all

956
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: given names. But Buddha would be called there's Buddha, and

957
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: there's you know, like eart of these different people. Hindus

958
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: have all their people. But that's just human nature. We

959
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: need to put anything but he gave it a phrase,

960
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: and it gave it more of a description. I read.

961
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool because you're talking about universal energy.

962
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd never heard of that, that anecdote, but I'll

963
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: definitely look into it. Like I feel just thinking about

964
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: it now, you feel like, you know, when you're like

965
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 3: almost searching for an answer and you sit in that

966
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: uncomfortable periods where you're looking for certain things to do

967
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: and you have those those feelings. It's like, imagine if

968
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: like that was literally an encyclopedia of everyone that's past

969
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: knowledge of certain situations that can then push you into

970
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: certain things and going, well, who knows, is it a thing?

971
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: Mate like probably or wouldn't be surprised.

972
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: Austrading and being a scientist because you know what, it's

973
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: always intrigued me as well. Ab On someone was a

974
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: Jewish guy and Jewish in a religious sense, so we

975
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: believe in God and all those things. But at the

976
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: same time, this is a scientist, a physicist, a famous one,

977
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: like like one of the great thinkers of our time,

978
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: of all times, modern times at least. And I often

979
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: used to think to myself, how do you reconcile being

980
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: that scientist where you know, the concept of God is

981
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: about it belief as opposed to knowledge, real knowledge. No

982
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: one really knows God. No one's ever seen him that

983
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: lives on this planet. People might see him when they

984
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: leave this planet, but I don't know. But so God

985
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: is a belief system, whereas scientists are into knowledge what exists,

986
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: like what they can see improve mathematically. So I used

987
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: to think himself, how does Einstein reconcile that sort of stuff,

988
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: like being the physicist who he was, you know, general

989
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: that are relatively other stuff that he come up with.

990
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: How does he reconcile the concept of God being a

991
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: Jewish guy and at the same time being this great scientist.

992
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: And then of course he never really wrote about it.

993
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: But then the next person because I love this stuff,

994
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: I mean, because I'm always trying to reconcile the two,

995
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: because you know, I grew up in my mother's Irish Catholic,

996
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: I grew in a Catholic family. My dad's Greek Orthodox Christian,

997
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: so like you know, it was a thing. And I've

998
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: always tried to reconcile this whole process in my mind.

999
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: And so I've did a lot of research and as

1000
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: Trading is the one who came out like trading has

1001
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: got the famous story a it's a thought experiment about

1002
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: it call it's called s treating his cat, And that's

1003
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: his very famous physics thought experiment. But he also wrote

1004
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: about this concept of how do I how did he

1005
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: reconcile and I don't know he might have been jewishire,

1006
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: but how did he reconcile reconcile faith belief with actual actuality?

1007
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: And he came up with this physics theory that energy,

1008
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: which is our soul never disappears, but where therefore, where

1009
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: does it go? And so and therefore what you're saying

1010
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: right at very beginning of this this conversation is going

1011
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: way out there, but like it's good. Therefore we can

1012
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: fall in, fall back and rely on the universe to

1013
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: help us out. If we're doing all the right things,

1014
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: good things, like in a karma sense, like a Buddhist sense,

1015
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: like consciousness, be look after our family, look after ourselves,

1016
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: not be an asshole, don't be a biggert, don't be

1017
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: whatever all the negative stuff. Try to be as positive

1018
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: as possible. I think the universe universe is conscious of

1019
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: the universe will actually sort of give us a bit

1020
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: of guidance. That's what I think. That sort of worked

1021
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: for me. Whenever I've been a dick, something shit has

1022
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: always happened to me. I once had it get right.

1023
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: But I once had an audience. I was given an audience,

1024
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: a private audience with the Dalai Lama, and I was

1025
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: lad to asked three questions because I did someone who

1026
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: is very close to him a favor and she organizes

1027
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: for me. She was one of his nuns, and like

1028
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: he has nuns who work for him. And he said,

1029
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, you got three questions, like I had literally

1030
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: had fifteen minutes with him. And the last question, the

1031
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: third question asked him, was can you explain to me

1032
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: how you get rid of bad karma? And he said

1033
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: to me, there's only one way. If you've got one

1034
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: pound of bad karma to get rid of that. You

1035
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: can't eliminate. It never goes like you were saying before

1036
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: about negative it never goes, he said, But you've got

1037
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: to outweigh it with a not more one pound of

1038
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: good carm. You've got to outwigh with many pounds of

1039
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: good karma and just basically diluted so that it goes

1040
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: here and good goes up there I've never forgotten that.

1041
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: It's quite a very good practical technique how you live

1042
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: your life. If you've got negative shit going on in

1043
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: your life, flood it with positive stuff. Just walking in

1044
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: the stry Hello, how are you going? Del how's your

1045
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: family mate? Or you know, it's still's birthday, mate, I

1046
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: just want to wish a happy birthday and the best

1047
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: of your family, or these little simple things. As someone's

1048
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: walking long the story, you're doing a tough hey, mate,

1049
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: don't know him, might have he might look filthy, dirty,

1050
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: shake his hand to make someone's day yourself? What do

1051
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: you think about that?

1052
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1053
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: I love that.

1054
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: It's a yeah, it's I love the quote around moving

1055
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 3: outweighing it with something else. I feel like that's exactly

1056
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: what needs to be done, even from any any circumstance whatsoever.

1057
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: It's funny though, like how how things can can work

1058
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 3: all Like realistically, the only thing you need is time

1059
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 3: a lot of the time as well, just to see

1060
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 3: things through, like those ship periods or or calm or whatever.

1061
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 2: It is like time.

1062
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: Eventually, by the end of it, if you do enough

1063
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: good things, good things will come back.

1064
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: So it's important to be patient and not be too

1065
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: tough on yourself. Yeah, do you ever suffer from not

1066
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: being patient or too tough on you?

1067
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: I'm probably the least patient person in the world. But

1068
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: I think one thing I like to say is like,

1069
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 3: be patiently impatient. So I don't like being I don't

1070
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: like people that are too patient, because you've got it.

1071
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 3: If you're not trying to get somewhere, you're never going

1072
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: to get it. So you just got to know that.

1073
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 3: Be impatient, but be patient.

1074
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: Okay, we've wrapped, as in not a w R A P.

1075
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: But we've been rapping about a lot of stuff out. Yeah,

1076
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: we are just mean to get back to your podcast.

1077
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Let's doing Friends Doing Friends, deal

1078
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: d Whale and and.

1079
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: Friends not Dylan. So I'm the first one and then

1080
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 2: and Friends.

1081
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Where do I find it?

1082
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: Spotify, Spotify or YouTube? Yeah, it's all there.

1083
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. So how's it going?

1084
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, really good. It's funny.

1085
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 3: I was telling the boys before I actually started the show,

1086
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: when I was up here in Sydney. So I remember

1087
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 3: i'd been delisted from Carlton and I was doing a

1088
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: show there and I couldn't take it with me because

1089
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 3: it was owned by the club, and I remember going

1090
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: fucking I don't want this to happen again.

1091
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: I need to start my own thing. So was doing

1092
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: some radio work.

1093
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: I used to like go and do triple M after

1094
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: footy training when I was playing at the Giants afternoon show. Yeah,

1095
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 3: it was with Liam Flanagan and Mark Geyer a favorite

1096
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: triple M. So I screwed in with Leam and MG

1097
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: and it's funny actually one of the You've had the

1098
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: Hello Sport boys in So Tom Birmingham was actually working

1099
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 3: as a producer of that show. So I'd come in,

1100
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: We'll just sort of get chalking and he's like, what

1101
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: do you want to do. I was like, I look

1102
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 3: like I want to start a podcast, and he's sort.

1103
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 2: Of like He's like, funck, like I do a podcast

1104
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: called Ho Sport.

1105
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: He goes like, all you need to do is buy

1106
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 3: this like equipment that anyway, So I went the next day,

1107
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: bought the thing and just started just interviewing teammates. It

1108
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: was just of fun and to get more experience because

1109
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 3: when I got delisted from Carlton, I was like, how

1110
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 3: am I going to get into the industry. I don't

1111
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: have any skills, haven't played thro UNDERD games, haven't won premierships,

1112
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: haven't done all these things, so there wasn't really a

1113
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: spot for me to be like expert comments because I

1114
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: was really an expert in the field. So I was like, fuck,

1115
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: I got to find the back door here, Like how

1116
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 3: can I show them that I'm actively trying to get

1117
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 3: more confidence in the media sense interviewing people doing skits anyway,

1118
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 3: So I started doing them. I ended up getting another

1119
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: year on my contract and stayed another season, and then

1120
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: for me, it was just about you know, getting as

1121
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: many runs on the board as I could with the show,

1122
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: get more episodes, so that then ultimately again i'd take

1123
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: that to a radio station and be like, look, you know,

1124
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: I've done the work.

1125
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 2: Can I have a job?

1126
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: Here's a little pack, here's a little pack. Yeah.

1127
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 3: It was like instead of just sitting on my ass,

1128
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: I was like, I want to show you I've done

1129
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: something because I'd been there two years earlier with nothing

1130
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: and I didn't get any opportunities. And I remember I

1131
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 3: went back to Melbourne and I was working at the

1132
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: three AW which is the equivalent of like two GB here,

1133
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 3: so it's sort of like an old school sort of

1134
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 3: AM radio and there's yeah, working on the phones, answering

1135
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: the you know, all the calls, and putting together the

1136
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: run sheets, learning how to become a producer on that

1137
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: and I didn't love it, but I learned a lot

1138
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: from it, Like I learned a lot from it, I

1139
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: think even from a business term. I learned that it

1140
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: wasn't what I wanted to do and I wanted to

1141
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: work for myself. And ultimately I got let go of

1142
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 3: that job. I didn't really get let go, actually, I

1143
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: just didn't get shifted on anymore. So I can't know

1144
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: if it's a sacking or I'm still in the books,

1145
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: but just didn't get any more shifts. And then from

1146
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 3: that period I had to go like all right, I'm

1147
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: all in on the podcast, because I was doing that

1148
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 3: at the same time the whole way through. And it's

1149
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: just crazy how you know things work, and as you said,

1150
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 3: the universe, when you when you make a faith a

1151
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: jump of a leap of faith, things you know, automatically

1152
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: sort of open up. And I remember at that period

1153
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: had no sponsorships, but I was actually selling merchandise and

1154
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: the community that I had bilt was so amazing and

1155
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: incredible and just wanted to were talking about just like jumpers,

1156
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: T shirts, hoodies, like just all those sort of things.

1157
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: Was just selling you made the merchant.

1158
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: I'd order it from like a Guilden or an as color.

1159
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 3: I met a screen printer in Melbourne, I'd go get

1160
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 3: a screen printer.

1161
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: Dylan.

1162
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, like Dylan friends on the hoodies.

1163
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 1: That's cool.

1164
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: And that funded then my eventual business, which has now

1165
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 3: become producy.

1166
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: Like that was the thing.

1167
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: Like I earned more money in my first year out

1168
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: of footy than I made in football.

1169
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: Wow, from selling merchandise.

1170
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: Wow, serious ship you must be good at the merchant

1171
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: then the merchants.

1172
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't that great, but it was just the fact

1173
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: that like it was the show and the people that

1174
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: wanted to wear it and be a part of a

1175
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: community was so amazing and so enthralled in what we

1176
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 3: were doing. And they loved the you know, the independence

1177
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: of it. They loved the never sort of hadn't been

1178
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 3: really done before we were part of someone else's network.

1179
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: Now I was just independent. It was just my own thing.

1180
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'd learned a lot of a lot, Like

1181
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: I'd actually had Andy Lee, who was a big Carton supporter.

1182
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 3: He spoke at an event one time, and he's an

1183
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: incredible business mind, and I remember him saying about how

1184
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: Hamish Andy always owned their products. I never wanted to

1185
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 3: sell and it was something and I was like, oh fuck,

1186
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to do that because when I left Carlton,

1187
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: I couldn't take the stuff that I'd done with them,

1188
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: So I sort of had that always ticking in the

1189
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: back of my mind. I own everything you do, like

1190
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: be you know, bootstrap it, be the owner. It might

1191
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: take a bit longer, but you're going to own everything

1192
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: you do.

1193
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: So just just talking about foot if you and I'm

1194
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: as you know, I'm an a rol guy, but I

1195
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, I have to confess that I have been

1196
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: a Calling with supporter for many years only because Eddie's

1197
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: my mate and I sponsored him. You Repisman and usually

1198
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: that alien needs me immediately against everyone who is not

1199
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: a Calling with supporter. But but let's just talk about

1200
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: the season for twenty twenty five. The Swan's got the

1201
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: new coach. What do you think? What do you think Swans?

1202
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: What are you going to happen?

1203
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: I like this, like obviously I was still like them,

1204
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: like in.

1205
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: Terms of capability for twenty twenty five, I think it's

1206
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: really interesting. I'm actually halfway through a documentary at the

1207
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: moment on Netflix. I'm watching the Boston Red Sox doco.

1208
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: Have you heard of Do you follow the Baseball? I

1209
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 3: know the story, but I haven't read I actually don't

1210
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: know the story, but I'm like, I'm watching it because

1211
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to spoil it.

1212
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 3: Sort of an inevitable what's going to happen?

1213
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: I feel.

1214
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 3: But for those who haven't heard of it, it's you know,

1215
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 3: the New York Yankees are a powerhouse. They Boston Red

1216
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: Sox had bade Ruth the Curse of the Bambino, like

1217
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: they traded into New York and then they just couldn't

1218
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: beat New York at all. And you know, I'm at

1219
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 3: the stage now where it's sort of come into like Moneyball,

1220
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: and they're sort of building their team and things are happening.

1221
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: But a similar things sort of happening with the Swans,

1222
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: Like you know, the last couple of Grand Finals have

1223
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: been pants on the big stage. They're a great team,

1224
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: Like They're talent is unbelievable, like players like Eryl Goulden

1225
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: and oh Jeez, like you know, Pappily Heiny, these guys

1226
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 3: are unbelievable players, but unfortunately, just when it's got to

1227
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: that last day, they haven't been able to nail it.

1228
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: And I think with John Longmi leaving recently has been

1229
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: really interesting because he's probably like one of the best

1230
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 3: coaches that has ever been around. It'd be interesting to

1231
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 3: see what happens if he goes to Tasmania or whatever

1232
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 3: happens there. But Dean Cox, for all reports, is absolutely

1233
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: incredible and it's probably the decision that needed to be made.

1234
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 3: Like you know what it's like in the business world,

1235
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 3: like if you don't deliver, no matter how good you are,

1236
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 3: you've almost just got to pass the baton on to

1237
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: the next person. And to put those two together to

1238
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: come around. In a long winded statement, I'm assuming the

1239
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: Red Sox going to win a World Series and it's like,

1240
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: if that team can do it, the Swans should seriously

1241
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: watch that documentary because it'll give them a lot of confidence.

1242
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: You reckon, they are the talent, They've.

1243
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: Got the talent, they've got everything, even their game.

1244
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: Well, why do you think they fold?

1245
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 2: Realistically, you can't. It's hard to say.

1246
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 3: They've folded twice, and unfortunately it's just been on the

1247
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: last day in September, which has been really disappointing for

1248
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: them and their fan base.

1249
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: Is that a matter of prepar Have they been prepared

1250
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: as a team, In other words, that haven't been prepared

1251
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: to be at the top of the game on the

1252
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: last game, and in other words, they might have been

1253
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: peaking too early.

1254
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: It's a good question, like if I knew the answer,

1255
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: that I might be coaching them this year. But I'm

1256
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 3: sure Dean Cox knows what he's doing. The first time

1257
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 3: they lost against Gelong, Lady's got jumped by a better team.

1258
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: But this time, you know, they had a great season.

1259
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 3: Brisbane just came. They were more hardened for the and

1260
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 3: they Swans just couldn't bounce on it. Like, yeah, it

1261
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: was a really really disappointing game, But I do feel

1262
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: like they'll bounce back and on your should be hard

1263
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: though the next time that they're in a Grand Final.

1264
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: Can you imagine that to getting like the mental you

1265
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 3: talk about language and what you believe about yourself, Like

1266
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 3: all the language in the world you can train, but there.

1267
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: Is a belief there.

1268
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 3: Well, there are actually examples that it hasn't happened, like

1269
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: it's going to be hard to turn.

1270
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: But I do think they will.

1271
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: Be able to do so, you would they would. What

1272
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: be going through the mind is that we believe that

1273
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,959
Speaker 1: we're on the big at the big dance. We can't

1274
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: make it. Do you think that's going to ben issue?

1275
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: Well, it depends what their language is, like I suppose,

1276
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 3: and I think, what would you say? Well, I think

1277
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 3: I don't think they'd be taking advice from me, but

1278
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 3: I think, okay, good, good, Well, I'd say I'd say

1279
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: to them, they're an incredibly talented team. I think that

1280
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 3: they can do whatever they want. And Dean Cox as well,

1281
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 3: Like at the Helm now fresh start, new team, they'd

1282
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 3: be they'd be just sort of licking their wounds and

1283
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: getting on with it. I think you've got to move on.

1284
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: You've just got to move on and not and not

1285
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: sort of go back to that time. But Dean Cox

1286
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 3: is a is a premiership player. He's played with West

1287
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 3: Coast Eagles and played in one of the one of

1288
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: the best areas of footy with jard and Cousins and

1289
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 3: Daniel Kerr, and he knows what to do. So I

1290
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be really interesting time and footy clubs

1291
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: I think are really interesting places. And actually Tom Harley

1292
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: on the podcast this year, who's the CEO of the

1293
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 3: Swans and.

1294
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: A footy club.

1295
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: As much as it's about performance on field, it's just

1296
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Speaker 3: as good as it's only going as well as the

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Speaker 3: business is going for sustained success. So if you've got

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Speaker 3: good people at the football club, you know, on the board,

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Speaker 3: at every level, at every level, that's how you become consistent.

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Speaker 3: You give yourself the best shot for a long time

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Speaker 3: because you look at other clubs that might fly up

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Speaker 3: the ladder for one year, win a couple of flags.

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00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: You know, you look at Penrith and what they've been

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Speaker 3: able to do over the last few years, Like, yes,

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00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 3: they're a good football team or a rugby team, but

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they've got some incredible administration as well.

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Speaker 2: Like that's probably that gets overlooked.

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Speaker 1: In the in the Netflix series, is Boston building from

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Speaker 1: the top down?

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Speaker 3: They asked, yes, so they get in a guy that

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Speaker 3: was from the Oakland A's they get in this other guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they had to get the reministration right exactly, re engineered

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Speaker 3: the gym.

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Speaker 1: And will you be interviewing Dean?

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Speaker 3: I'd love to interview Dean. Yeah, he's a star. I'll

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Speaker 3: definitely get him on the pod.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and for twenty twenty five, what's ahead of.

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Speaker 2: You, big big stuff?

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Speaker 3: I suppose, Like the business has been rapidly growing. We're

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Speaker 3: sort of doubled each year. Just been cool, so double

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Speaker 3: audience downloads, but also just even just our our revenue

1322
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Speaker 3: and everything's been really cool and cool to grow a lot.

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Speaker 3: We've businesses called producer, so we split into two sort

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Speaker 3: of fractions, Like one is our sports network, clubby Sports,

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Speaker 3: which we have eight podcasts that target eight endo thirty

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Speaker 3: five year old men and yeah, we target. We do

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Speaker 3: all of our sales independently, all of our production independently,

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Speaker 3: and we.

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Speaker 2: And we have that side of our business. And then

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Speaker 2: the other side is our.

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Speaker 3: Production agency, which we work with brands to create video

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Speaker 3: content as well for their brand, so they sort of

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Speaker 3: work in twine. Like if we work with a brand

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Speaker 3: like Cobbraham the State, which is one of our biggest brands,

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Speaker 3: the Olive Oil Extra.

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Speaker 2: Virgin Olive Oil mob yep.

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Speaker 3: They they work with us on our shows, but then

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Speaker 3: we go and shoot all their content in Sacramento and

1339
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: shoot all their harvest their fields as well, which has

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Speaker 3: been really cool. So as much as I'm loving the

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Speaker 3: podcasting stuff and the interviews, I've found a real love

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Speaker 3: for business. And our team's grown to sixteen. Now we're

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Speaker 3: at independent business. We do everything ourselves we want to.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's taken us a lot longer to build that,

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Speaker 3: but I'm really grateful and I suppose happy we've taken

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Speaker 3: that longer, longer route to build it, but own everything

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Speaker 3: we do.

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Speaker 1: Is Your final question is your business model advertising or

1349
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Speaker 1: sub subscriptions? What is it?

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Speaker 2: Advertising?

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Speaker 1: Advertising? So therefore you so that the elements. So you

1352
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Speaker 1: got to build your audience. You got to build your engagement.

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01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: You've got to know your audience so you can sell

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Speaker 1: the audience demographics into the advertising agency and then you

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Speaker 1: get the advertising dollars. Exactly. That's your model basically.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Events and merchandise as well, so those arms too.

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Speaker 3: Sot the four main you know, if you talk about

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01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 3: the pillars of health in a business sense, it's podcasting, events, apparel,

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Speaker 3: and then also our production and.

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Speaker 1: You produce for others.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've got a production team, yep. So if

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Speaker 1: there's any spare time, you say, so that their full capacity,

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Speaker 1: I'll charge somebody else to come and do a podcast

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Speaker 1: for example, or something.

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Speaker 3: Like that podcast mainly like we can definitely help it

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Speaker 3: with podcasts, but more content for their business and shooting

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Speaker 3: long stuff. Because it was a sort of funny the

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Speaker 3: guys that work with me on the shows. I realized,

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Speaker 3: like you know, we realized earlier, we're using these incredible

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Speaker 3: you know, almost cinematographers for one percent of the skill.

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Speaker 3: You know, setting up a podcast is not that hard.

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Speaker 3: But these guys going off and doing like incredible shoots

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Speaker 3: and that's where we're working with the brands and the

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Speaker 3: relationships and like, oh, can you guys do this bang?

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Speaker 3: Now we're doing all their work for them as well,

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Speaker 3: which has been really cool.

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Speaker 1: So that helps you get advertisers, Yeah, because most advertisers

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Speaker 1: don't have to say, we've got to go and get

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Speaker 1: an agency who then goes out and gets people do

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Speaker 1: the photographs of the photography, the filming and et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Then you can help me. You can't even help write

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Speaker 1: the scripts and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a one stop show and just working really

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Speaker 3: tight with with cool people's.

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Speaker 1: And they come back. Yeah that those advertisers come back. Well, Dylan, friends,

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Speaker 1: I'm now I can now happily say I'm one of

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Speaker 1: your friends and I'll be listening. I'll betuning, especially in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five to see what you're up to. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for much for coming in to the show mate.

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Speaker 2: Thanks I have to return. Yes, so next time you're

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Speaker 2: in Melbourne not.

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Speaker 1: Coming and you come on it. It's actually been really

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01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: interesting for me. I've had a bit of a buzz

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Speaker 1: talking about some of the stuff we talked about for awardins.

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Speaker 1: I apologize we weren't be too far out there, but

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Speaker 1: as far out there is where we want to be.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's called straight talk for Thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: Thanks