WEBVTT - REFUGEE TO REALITY TV ft. KHANH ONG 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.640 I want the fairy tale. I want the prince charming. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:04.640 She how do I put? 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:04.800 This? 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.000 Isn't a fan of my kissing style. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.600 We would boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours. 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:11.680 He's in a trash bin. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:13.760 He's non recyclable, catching member. 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.239 I love being love, I love love. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.320 On today's episode of Where's Your Head At, we are 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.800 welcoming khan On into the studios. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.160 Not only has Kan been on Master Chef Australia and 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.040 Survivor Australia, but he owns his own cooking book and 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.960 has developed a menu for the George On Collins in Melbourne. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.760 Card and I also went to school together, so we 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:36.840 have known each other for a long time. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.720 Stay tuned to hear all about what Karan has coming 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.879 up next and all about his dating life. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.920 Where's Your Head At is a podcast that talks all 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:54.280 things relationships, breakups, reality TV, trending shows, and everything in between. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.280 This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip, 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:06.040 intimate details, advice and much more. Hey Card, Oh my god, Hello, 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:08.880 it's good to have you in the studio today. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:11.480 We've actually already been in here for like fifteen minutes 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:12.640 and we've been laughing this whole time. 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:17.040 So that was really weird, Like, I know, you got 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:17.800 to get run with it. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.039 So welcome, and we've wanted to have you in for 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.399 a while, so we're really excited to finally make this happen. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.400 Yeah, you know this was all Matt's fault though, like 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:26.840 he booked in dates and then it was like I'll 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:28.120 get back to you and then doesn't get back to 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.199 me for like two weeks. I'm like those days are gone, 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:31.880 Like I'm doing other things now. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:34.640 I like a little bit more for playing in my 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:35.560 conversations on. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.760 Jeez, I'm not going to comment on that because there's 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.480 a lot I can speak about. 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.000 I'm just gonna like preface this so that everyone knows 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:48.680 KHN and that have a very flirty relationship. So I'm 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.840 feeling a little bit like a third wheel already. And 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.480 this has been like a thirty second interview so far. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:57.720 Look, I just know what Matt likes, Okay. He loves compliments. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.720 He loves it when people tell him that he's pretty, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.680 or when people play with his muscles or tell him 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.240 how like how beautiful his teeth are, Like, he just 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:05.640 loves that. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.639 So when we're sitting there, Jen, me and Khan. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.120 It Actually it's pretty good because I've got Gen there 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.400 as my girlfriend and then Kahn's giving me. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.040 All the compliments and Jen's like, this is cool. It 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:15.520 works for me. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:17.320 I don't have to do any. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.799 Works to both worlds and that's having his cakene idiot too. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.800 All Right, So Cahn, you're also a DJ. How did 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.640 you transition from music to food? 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.520 Okay? So when I was in high school, I actually 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.440 study fashion. I think you knew this. I wanted to 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.160 be a designer for ages. Yeah, so I went to 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.919 UNI study fashion, but was kind of dabbling with DJing 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.359 for a long time, like in high school at the end, 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.239 and then like towards my early twenties, and that became 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.920 like my career, like it just kind of blew up 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.200 and went from my strength to strength. But towards the 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:52.840 end of it, so when I was twenty five something, 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.919 about eight years into the career, now I fucking hated it, 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.839 Like you're not the expectation to go out and beat 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.400 and to have to perform every single day, and like 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.160 people are like, oh, why don't you not drink? I'm 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.480 like the booking's actually dipped. When I was having sober 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:13.399 months because I'm more fun when i'm playing if I'm drunk. Yeah, 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.800 I grew to resent it, like I just hated it. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.200 And then one of my best friends actually was like, 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:18.720 you should go on master Chef and I was like no, 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.760 and then she was like, Okay, well I've applied for 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.840 master Chef for you. I was like, great, I'm doing. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.679 That's a really impressive thing about you because obviously when 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.600 I knew you, your whole dream was to be a 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.320 fashion designer. And then you went into like this massive. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.880 DJ in Melbourne. Everyone knew you. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.320 You were kind of getting booked for everything, and then 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.000 all of a sudden, you're on master Chef and I 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.040 was like, this guy just has so many talents, Like 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.200 you just had your foot in the door of kind 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:45.880 of everything, which was super impressive. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.960 Look, I think millennials do that, right, Like we all 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:50.880 do this thing where we have like many fingers in 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.760 many pies. We want to do everything in life. Nothing 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.320 kind of stops us. If we have an interest, we 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.640 want to do it. And that's kind of how I 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.160 see life. Like right now, we're circling back to the 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.640 fashion thing because I'm working on another like a label 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.160 that's not a merch label because I'm like, maybe we 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.960 should go back there. This is this is the merch like, yeah, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.360 you've got you a loved Yeah that you are loved one. 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.920 It kind of went quiet for a while because I 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.920 got really busy and I couldn't do it. So I'm like, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.000 but I found someone to now deal with it for 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.960 me to look after like my stock and my orderings 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.640 and everything. So I think that's going to pop back up. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.920 But yeah, I'm working on another label that's more street, 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.640 that's more like the aesthetic. It's cut out pants and 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:28.360 cowboy hats. 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:28.839 Wow. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:36.440 Not oh maybe for you. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.440 So that's really exciting. So you are delving back into fashion. 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:42.600 That was one of my questions to you, like do 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.400 you think you'll ever go back into fashion? And it's 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.200 crazy that you are and you're getting on board with 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:47.640 that again. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.160 Yeah, because I'm actually wearing one of my samples. These 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.000 pants are one of my samples, you see. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:53.480 I love. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.279 Yeah. So I I mean, I mean, you know, trying 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.120 about it for years, but I was like, oh, I 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:03.760 don't know what to do. I don't know like how 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.839 it's going to go. And recently in the last two years, 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.680 I'm like everything that I do seems to be fun 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.480 and I enjoy it and I like doing it, so 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.120 it's like, why not just try it? So I've got 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.000 someone else looking outter I deal with the designs. I'm 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.919 just like, can you do with the technical stuff like 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.920 emailing people? And just like yep, kind needs that sample today? 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:28.000 Like someone else do that? And the worst I'm actually 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:29.839 the worst at emails and text messages. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:34.640 We know, but like you play to your strengths. You've 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.880 got a lot going on, Like, I'm sure that you 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.719 don't have time to be sending a million emails, Okay. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.040 I think it comes down to commitment, and if it's 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.640 in writing, I'm committed. So instead I'll call people like, hey, 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.680 let's do this, and then when they send me mem 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:51.080 I'm like, yes, so can't. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.560 You're a master of many trades. But I want to 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.160 kind of take it back and just kind of understand 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.880 a little bit about your life pre all of this 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:01.600 amazing accomplishment. 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.440 I'm very driven and I work hard, and I think 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.680 that comes from my parents. Mom and dad came over 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:12.520 to Australia in ninety two, no ninely three. They're refugees, 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.120 so I was born in a refugee camp. So Mum 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.680 and Dad lived in a refugee camp in Indonesia for 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:20.880 four years and I was born there came every when 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.000 I was Two refugee camps in back then are totally different. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:28.360 Two refugee camps now refugee camps now it just glorified prisoners. Basically, 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.200 back then, it was more of a community. They were 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.840 living in an island, they had housing. They all had 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.560 jobs so that like they would work for money and 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.839 or to trade things with like people that are waiting 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.599 to get their forms dealt with, so their paperwork kind 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.400 of worked out. So very different. But it was also 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.520 really hard because Mum's really funny. She doesn't tell me 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.240 a lot. But once in a while, when I'm like 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:50.600 I catch her on a good day, I'll ask her 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.320 something and she'll be like, blah blah blah this happened. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.359 I was like, how did you not tell me that 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.840 for like the last nineteen years, like what I think? 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:58.800 When I was at my first year of UNI, Mum 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.680 was like, yeah, yeah. So when Dad was on the 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.320 boat with me, he had to dive under to fix 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.440 a broken propeller in shark infested waters, and I was like, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.280 what I'm like sorry, She's like yeah, because we could 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.320 see the sharks following us, and then like the boat 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.160 was stopped, so like someone had to jump in and 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.840 Dad did it. And I was like, how have you 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.200 not told me this? And she's like yeah, and we 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.000 were shot at by like pirates and I was like, 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.040 are you lying or you know? She's like no, No, 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.880 it's true because pirates always go for refugee boats because 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.360 all of those people's belongings, most valued things are on 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.120 them because they're moving countries, they're leaving, so they've got gold, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.080 they're taking it with them. They have money, they're taking 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.560 them them with them. Like everything that you have is 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.160 of value, goes with you when you're leaving your country. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:41.840 Makes sense. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.880 Yeah, yeah, so I came everyone us too. We had 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.560 absolutely zero. Mum was working for family. Dad was working 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.240 for family, and then they slowly made enough money to 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.120 then start their own business. Mum was working as a 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.160 Maybe this is where the fashion comes in because Mum 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.600 was a seamstress and she was a sample maker for 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.000 brands like Portman, His Hands and things like that because 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.480 she was really good with a sewing machine. Yeah. Dad 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.840 worked as a butcher and then when I was ten 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.400 or eleven, they opened their own butcher shop, which is 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.160 kind of Mum's little baby. Now she's got like other 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.960 stores and she's like really like changed everything. She has 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.440 like a lot of commercial real estate. But Dad actually 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.000 passed away when I was in year ten, but mums 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.640 to use that as like her stepping stone to improve everything. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.040 But then she's got like this soft spot for the 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.000 butcher shop where she's like always just goes into the 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.160 butcher shop, which is the cutest thing in spring Vale. 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.120 In spring Vale, so it's called TAM's Asian Butcher, so 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:39.040 Mum changed the names. Now Dad's name was Tam. Yeah, oh, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.760 I know, she's so cute. 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:46.040 That's beautiful. It's really interesting because obviously you've kind of 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.000 taken little bits from both of your parents, which is 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.360 so rare. I'm assuming that that's just like subconsciously you've 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.040 just kind of fallen into these similar passions. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.440 So I think I have this theory that what you 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.960 want to do in life and your passions in life 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.600 are connected to nostalgic moments that you had when you 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.960 were younger, or moments that you found happiness with, like 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.960 Mum and Dad. I would only really see them after 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.600 they were working in the kitchen when they were making dinner. 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.600 So that was what was my happy place. I would 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.280 sit on a bench and like I would help them 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.199 like pick herbs or roll things, and so cooking always 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:24.360 reminds me of happiness. 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.280 That's beautiful. That is really cute. 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.640 No, I'm fine. I'm like we're almost there, and I'm 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.439 like I'm just gonna pull that back at tiny this. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:34.480 I don't start sobbing. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:37.600 It must have been really hard for you losing your 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.760 dad in your ten like you're a teenager, Like there's 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.880 so much involved in being a teenager and like the 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:46.880 struggles that you're kind of navigating through. 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:47.720 How was that for you? 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.520 I deal with loss really strangely, and death really strangely. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.000 Like so I watched my dad die and then the 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:55.839 next day I went to school and prettended it didn't happen. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.160 And I don't think when many people knew that dad 0:09:58.200 --> 0:09:59.840 even passed away, because I was just at school because 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:01.880 I was, yep, this is normal. The teacher just knew 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.160 because I was like late for like assignments and things, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.360 and they're like something's happening, and it's like, well, my 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.400 dad's dead like, but but I used it in such 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.880 a matter of fact way it was nothing emotional attached 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.360 to it. And then it actually I didn't get emotional 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.959 about Dad passing until two years later and I was 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:20.280 sitting in the car with my mum and she was 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.200 asking me questions and I was like, I don't want 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:23.560 to talk about this. I really don't want to talk 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.520 about this, and she said it like six times, like 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.559 I kept asking me the same question six times or 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.840 trying to talk about this subject. And so we were 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.080 rolling to it, I stopped and I literally just opened 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:36.600 the door and rolled out, Like I just like literally 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.160 dropped and rolled out of the car. It was it 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.440 wasn't traveling fast. It's probably ten k's because we were 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.240 like rolling to a stop. But I was like still 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.800 like yeah, and then it was I know, not me 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.880 at all. Really bad decision though, because I had to 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.120 walk home from to a half case. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:53.079 I regretted it. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.960 Yeah, as like I guess, like you even having to 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.800 have that conversation, you'd prefer to basically roll out of 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:01.920 the people have the conversation. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.520 That's big though, Yeah, Like I think I really just 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.920 resented mum for no reason whatsoever, Like I cracked it 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.680 at her, and then as soon as I graduated, I 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.320 applied for Central Saint Martin's in London, which is a 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.120 fashion design school. Got in, which I was so happy with, 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.400 like so proud of, ran away, left the country, went 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.440 to London, didn't really speak to Mum, and then I 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.679 hated London. I hated the cold. I hated that I 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.360 didn't know anyone. I hated that people weren't nice, Like 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.120 I would smile at someone in the shop and they 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.640 wouldn't smile back, and I'm like, wow, you're not smiling. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:39.160 And the school itself is really really competitive, like for 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.640 fourth year placements you get put in like Chanel, like, 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.640 you get put in like McQueen, like you get put 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:49.040 in placements at these amazing European design houses. So everyone's 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:50.360 trying really hard. And I was just like, I have 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:51.680 no one to hang out with, I have no friends, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.000 I have nothing to do. So I came home and 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.760 then I was like to Mum, hey for us to work. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.760 I don't think I can live at home, like I 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.480 know this is my fault, like you've done nothing for me. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.240 I need space from you. But I did apologize as well, 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.079 and we're best friends. Now, I cooked at it in 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:10.240 last night for her birthday. Yeah. So but yeah, I 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.720 was like I was a teenager. I was a jerk, 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.760 and like, you didn't really deserve for me to just 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.040 kind of cut you off, but I did. So that 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.120 was really hard because, yeah, because obviously what I was feeling, 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.000 Mum would have been feeling like a hundred times worse. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:24.960 Yeah. 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.640 How long did you and your mum not talk for? 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:28.560 Well, we were talking, but it was very real, like 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.319 I tolerate you kind of thing, and it was probably 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.719 for about two years, two years from like seventeen eighteen nineteen. Yeah, yes, 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.560 towards the end of seventeen beginning of nineteen. Yeah, so 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.800 that that was really difficult. And then like, because I'm 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.320 really close with my sister, so I would just speak 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.440 to Amy and then my Amy would relay anything that 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.600 mum had. Yeah, so she. 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:48.880 Was kind of like the little middleman. 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.840 Yeah, I know, it was all I love her, she's 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:53.640 so cut. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.240 Speaking of Amy, you went on Survivor with Amy? How 0:12:58.360 --> 0:12:59.319 was that experience? 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.400 Didn't get play together? So the funny thing is my 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.880 sister and I we don't talk about our emotions a 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.120 lot to each other. Yeah, yeah, like I talk about 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.880 her to other people, but to her, I'm like I 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.640 hate you. I to other people, I'm like, she's the 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.720 cutest thing in the world. She's so beautiful. She doesn't 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.520 know it. So on Survivor, I was like, Oh, it's 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.559 gonna be fine, like we're not together. But every single 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.240 time we did a challenge when I saw her, I 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.959 started crying, like every single time, to the point that 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:27.640 people were like, you're putting this on for the cameras, 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.360 and I'm like, I'm actually not, like, I'm just like 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.640 I'm just emotionally unstable. 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:32.400 Like. 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.680 How does she find being on Survivor and that, because 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:37.960 I know I've spoken to you before and you said 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.400 she's not really like that sort of stuff, like the 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:41.520 attention and all that sort of stuff. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.720 She doesn't like cameras, she didn't like attention, She didn't 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.800 like any of that because she yeah, it wasn't for her. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.439 And then she went on and she's like love it. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.880 She's like this is easy. And then towards it end, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.280 now she's like she came out of it, and she's 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.840 like people were sending me dresses and makeup and I'm like, 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:57.600 I know. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.839 You also put out a cookbook which you sent me 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:11.120 and I have. Yeah, I was going to say anyone. 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.680 It's a really nice little note in there as well. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:13.760 It was a nude was. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.160 You said that you're going to cook me in your 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:24.600 recipe though? So you still haven't. I could actually come over, yeah, 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:25.480 to bring chat. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.800 I love Jen. I actually really like we need to 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.600 like clear that part. Like it along really well because 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.160 Jen kind of like bags Matt and I like it. 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.280 You're my Yeah, you're my night. That sticks up for 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:41.320 me sometimes. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.720 Sometimes because sometimes I've been like I've had a couple 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:44.040 of drinks, I'm like, yeah. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.280 All right, Yeah. So the cooking book, what goes? What's 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:50.680 the process with that? How does it? 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.280 Oh? That was a well wind. So I always wanted 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.520 a cookbook like but I didn't want like a normal cookbook. 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.400 I wanted to be like situational and like all about 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.400 like your emotions, because I think food is really attached 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.600 to memories and emotions. So the cookbook itself is called 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.800 a Gay Guy's Guide to Life, Love Food. So that's 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.600 a pug for myself for myself. Yeah. So it's been 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.840 into chapters like my family chapter, so it's like traditional 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.960 recipes that I have from home, and then it's my 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.280 family that I choose a family like my friends, so 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.560 recipes I've made for my friends. And then there's a 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:28.160 chapter on recipes for a broken heart, so it's like 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:32.120 a breakup recipe. Yeah, so it's like Carby, it's like nurturing. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:36.920 It's soul food. And then recipes for your first date 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.000 or like date night recipes, so things that you can 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.440 share with someone else that looks really impressive, but it's 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:46.040 like super easy. That's the chapter that I like. And 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.120 the last chapter's fun and it's called like, oh, I 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.440 don't know if I ended up calling it this, but 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.200 originally it was going to be called a Gay Guy's 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.920 Guide to Being a Basic Bitch, and it was like 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.680 supposed to be like the most basic recipes that you 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.080 just have to have in your arsenal. 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.800 Yeah, yeah, how long did it take you to write 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:04.440 the recipes? 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.760 So recipes? I always have recipes, like I do them 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.920 all the time. But the interesting thing is I was 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.960 in Sri Lanka for a wedding when I was told 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:14.480 that I was going on Master Chef or that I 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.280 had like possibilities of going on Master Chef, and from 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.240 that point to being on Master Chef. I had three 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.760 months and then I was like, I need to do 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.400 something to sell while I'm on Master Chef. And I 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:25.880 was like, so I called my Plubis show and we 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.720 were already been speaking about it. I'm like, Okay, we 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.240 need to like fast forward this because I've got three 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.840 months until I start filming, and a cold book usually 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.440 takes like a year. So from that point, I was 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.680 writing recipes every single day, like writing copy for it 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.840 because all of my recipes there's all stories behind it, 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.640 because there's reasons why they're in those chapters. So I 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.760 did that in about three months. We shot it in 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.760 like November, just before I started filming. During Master Chef, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:54.760 I was still like dealing with like the copy, like yeah, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.800 doing like amendments and stuff to it so that it 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.680 could be ready for release by the time the show 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:00.760 came out. So I literally really did that book in 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:01.280 three months. 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:05.440 Well done, That's yeah, impressive. 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.800 Well you need to because it's like you when you 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.399 know you're going in a national TV show again. I 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.560 did it the first time, okay, So I knew what 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.919 Myster Chef could do for your career. So I was like, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.480 there is so many eyeballs that are on you here 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.919 that if you have something it's going to do well. Yeah, 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.159 that's right. I didn't want to just go on and 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.320 be like I am here to continue cooking. It's like, nah, 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.520 I've got a cookbook, I've got a restaurant, things like 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:28.160 plug things. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.359 Yeah, yeah, you've all your brand the whole time on 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:31.840 there as well. 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.680 Well, this wasn't originally going to be a brand, so yeah. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.879 So the reason that I had you are Loved on 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.400 my chest was I knew I wasn't allowed to wear 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.960 branded stuff. You know that from TV. You can't wear 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.000 things with massive brands on them. So instead I was like, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.639 I want a message for everyone. So the message is 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.040 like every time you would see me, it just said 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.840