Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. The debate over multiculturalism, spurred on by
Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen, ramped up again today. Former Liberal premier the
Speaker 2: latest to call out the One Nation leader. We joined
Speaker 2: later by Tony Abbott. He says multiculturalism has it failed,
Speaker 2: So he'll be interesting as always. We're forecast into the
Speaker 2: ALP national conference. It kicks off later this week. It's
Speaker 2: got some crazy policies being pushed by the left and
Speaker 2: of course if they make it into the official platform document,
Speaker 2: every MP is bound by it. Plus the latest polling
Speaker 2: showing that while our politicians continue to flog net zero,
Speaker 2: Australians don't want a bar of it. I'll get into
Speaker 2: that a bit later on and back from overseas today,
Speaker 2: paul and Hanson in a fiery exchange as the media
Speaker 2: continues to misconstrue her comments on the white Australia policy.
Speaker 3: Not not not smart, but it's got nothing to do
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 2: Okay, We're going to stay with this issue because let's
Speaker 2: talk about politics and the media, because something is happening
Speaker 2: in this country that deserves to be called out.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Last month it was ten years since I started here
Speaker 2: at Sky News, and a decade two of me writing
Speaker 2: a column each weekend in the Sunday Papers. So these
Speaker 2: comments come from someone who's now worked at the point
Speaker 2: of end of both media and national politics. As you know,
Speaker 2: I don't call myself a journalist, and I correct anyone
Speaker 2: that does. If anything, I'm a lawyer by training and
Speaker 2: a political strategist by profession. Here on Sky News, I
Speaker 2: host an opinion program and that's what you get every
Speaker 2: night of the week, my opinion and the opinion of
Speaker 2: my guests on all all the big issues facing our country.
Speaker 2: But that's an honesty you don't always get from others,
Speaker 2: do you, from the media types who like to masquerade
Speaker 2: as straight back journalist, when in fact it's opinion dressed
Speaker 2: up as straight talk, and it's about as biased as
Speaker 2: you get now, As you know, it's what they say
Speaker 2: that's a concern, but just as relevant, it's also what
Speaker 2: they don't say, what they leave out, the questions they're
Speaker 2: not prepared to ask. The politicians they go easy on,
Speaker 2: like this tripe from Green's bother a Girl Sarah Hansen Young.
Speaker 4: They get nasty, they divide and they set people up
Speaker 4: against each other.
Speaker 2: I saw that, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: I wished I hadn't seen it.
Speaker 2: One of those things you think images you don't want
Speaker 2: in your ed, and look these are the pictures she
Speaker 2: was snidely referring to. Now do we read that nastiness
Speaker 2: as some sort of commentary on the appearance of missus
Speaker 2: Ryan Hart or the fact that Pauline Hanson was in
Speaker 2: Sicily on a break? Hard to know because not one
Speaker 2: journalist in the camera press pack was willing to take
Speaker 2: her on with a follow up question. Not one See
Speaker 2: what I mean? That's not unbiased reporting, is it? Nor
Speaker 2: is this headlines today that Barnaby Joys lost his call,
Speaker 2: lost his temper last night on the ABC. It was
Speaker 2: even the lead story on morning talkback radio and Melbourne
Speaker 2: when I switched it on at six o'clock. And here's
Speaker 2: what calls the latest bouts of One Nation outrage.
Speaker 6: Are you really comfortable with where she is taking you?
Speaker 7: I's the sound.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's a dog jize for this dog which has
Speaker 2: decided to bail up.
Speaker 6: No worry about the dog, Just answer the question.
Speaker 8: Don't be rude don't be rude, otherwise this interview will
Speaker 8: come to a grinding Sarah.
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, you wouldn't have want to hear my
Speaker 2: dad in the paddock sit down your mongrel. That's about
Speaker 2: the best of what he said that I can put
Speaker 2: to ear. Sit down your mongrel to working dogs. In
Speaker 2: the real world, a working dog cops a terse command.
Speaker 2: It's not a lap dog, and everybody knows it. It
Speaker 2: is this obsession with one nation by so many in
Speaker 2: the media design they think to kill off Pauline Hanson's rise,
Speaker 2: that is in fact only helping to kick it along.
Speaker 2: Because understand this, the modern world we live in is
Speaker 2: information rich. Almost every person's got a device with them
Speaker 2: all day, every day twenty four seven, and they're flooded
Speaker 2: as a result with news and video. What gets through
Speaker 2: to them on politics is for the most part little
Speaker 2: more than an impression. And so when Hanson's in the news,
Speaker 2: good or bad, her name and her brand cuts through.
Speaker 2: Trying to drag her down is actually doing the opposite.
Speaker 2: It's building her up. It's putting her on the same
Speaker 2: platform as the other two major party leaders. Case in
Speaker 2: point today, when she landed back into the country from
Speaker 2: her break, Paulin Hansen fronted a summit in WA and
Speaker 2: gave a very solid speech in Perth, followed by a
Speaker 2: wide ranging Q and a on stage with the editor
Speaker 2: of The West Australian, Chris Dauer. Few of the questions
Speaker 2: were easy. Almost all of her answers were blunt and
Speaker 2: straight to the point. And what was clear is that
Speaker 2: she had the room in the palm of her hand.
Speaker 6: It was not me advocating the wide Australian policy. I
Speaker 6: was telling him when it changed. So I've never advocated thank.
Speaker 3: You nor It's not no, it's not no. It's got
Speaker 3: nothing to do with that.
Speaker 6: Do you tell me one of the Greens that you
Speaker 6: want to spend time with.
Speaker 3: I'm very strong on certain countries. You've got to say no.
Speaker 3: And I got it.
Speaker 2: Look, yes it was w A and yes she was
Speaker 2: defending the hometown girl in Gena Reinhart. But in highlighting
Speaker 2: Missus ryan Hart's years and years of philanthropy, she exposed
Speaker 2: precisely why attacks on her to get to Hanson a counterproductive.
Speaker 8: The other topic I have to touch on is Gena
Speaker 8: ryan Hart, that Italian.
Speaker 6: She's wonderful Western Australian isn't she Yeah, I and so too.
Speaker 9: Gee.
Speaker 6: She does a lot of good for this steak. I'mucky
Speaker 6: to have her in all those taxes and royalties and
Speaker 6: jobs that she provides.
Speaker 3: Estate.
Speaker 8: Why do you think opponents do get so agitated about
Speaker 8: your friendship and relationship with missus Hina? What do you
Speaker 8: think drives that well?
Speaker 6: I wish that question Albanize's friendship with Pratt and Twiggy
Speaker 6: Forest and no one else gets a questioned like I do.
Speaker 2: My God, I'm all for a strong and independent media.
Speaker 2: I'm all for the fourth Estate speaking truth to power.
Speaker 2: After all, I work here at a network where every
Speaker 2: single night I get to say what I think. No
Speaker 2: one gives me any instruction about what should or shouldn't
Speaker 2: be the official line. What you get from me comes
Speaker 2: from me. I own it as opinion, and that's why
Speaker 2: so many of you I know watch this channel. I
Speaker 2: will never forget that reaction a few years back, in
Speaker 2: the worst of the Melbourne lockdowns, when I fronted up
Speaker 2: to one of the daily press conferences from Dan Andrews
Speaker 2: Press Conference number ninety nine, I think it was, and
Speaker 2: I turned up as much in frustration as anything else.
Speaker 2: Sick to death, watching his hour long daily lectures, followed
Speaker 2: by another hour at least of syncophantic questions from journalists.
Speaker 2: A few of them were brave enough to ever taking
Speaker 2: him on, other than perhaps Rachel Baxendale at The Australian
Speaker 2: and Sir Maya allenby then at the Age. When I
Speaker 2: walked into the room that day and I had to
Speaker 2: fight to get in there, believe me, a very well
Speaker 2: known journalist from the ABC sidled up to me demanded
Speaker 2: to know why I was there and if I was
Speaker 2: going to say. He said, if you stay, you have
Speaker 2: to wait until the end to ask any questions. So
Speaker 2: I did, and when I finished my questioning that day
Speaker 2: or another day, I can't remember, he then asked the
Speaker 2: Premier if he was now going to allow any Tom
Speaker 2: Dick or Harry into the room in the future. You see,
Speaker 2: the media is a club for so many of them.
Speaker 2: It's a case of you scratch my back and I'll
Speaker 2: scratch yours. You leaked to me and I'll protect you.
Speaker 2: I'll keep your secrets. I'll give you another example. One
Speaker 2: day in Canberra, midway through a long cabinet meeting, we
Speaker 2: had just finished a fairly contentious agenda item when I
Speaker 2: got up to leave the room and to make a
Speaker 2: phone call. Now, as I walked outside the cabinet room,
Speaker 2: I spoke to one of the attendants, and I saw
Speaker 2: a well known journalist's name flash up on a minister's
Speaker 2: phone in front of me on the attendant's desk. I
Speaker 2: know exactly whose phone that was, because when cabinet ministers
Speaker 2: left their phones outside the cabinet room at the attendant's desk,
Speaker 2: they all had a label on them with their name
Speaker 2: attached to the mobile phone. Now, as I moved away
Speaker 2: to make my call, I watched that very same MP
Speaker 2: who owned that phone exit the cabinet room, collect their
Speaker 2: phone and head off to the toilet. When they got back,
Speaker 2: they lodged their phone with the attendant and walked back
Speaker 2: into the cabinet room. As I did. Not less than
Speaker 2: thirty minutes later, I was handed a note that read
Speaker 2: I've just had a call from the City Morning Herald
Speaker 2: and apparently X and Y's just being decided in cabinet.
Speaker 2: How on earth do they have this leak already given
Speaker 2: them meeting is still underway, That is what the note
Speaker 2: from our press secretary said to me. Well, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you why because the journalist's name on that phone was
Speaker 2: the same name as the one on the note from
Speaker 2: our head of media, and the MP who took their
Speaker 2: phone to the toilet gave that information to them, and
Speaker 2: I know that was true because no other person had
Speaker 2: left the cabinet room. Now, that's this sort of stuff
Speaker 2: that's killing good government and your trust, voter trust with
Speaker 2: the mainstream media. It's why what we do here in
Speaker 2: matters because we call it as we see it, and
Speaker 2: you know my politics, for instance, it's not hidden. And
Speaker 2: I'm just as tough on my own side. We're warranted
Speaker 2: as I am on the left. John Howard beat Hanson
Speaker 2: by doing two things last time. The first, he barely
Speaker 2: mentioned a name the fight, he said, was it with
Speaker 2: her or her supporters. It was with labor. And secondly,
Speaker 2: he filled the policy vacuum. Every single day he was
Speaker 2: out there with solutions to problems. He defined the contest.
Speaker 2: He played to the coalition's strengths. Two sound lessons the
Speaker 2: liberals must learn now. And as for the hands and
Speaker 2: haters and the media, be warned. The more you demonize
Speaker 2: one nation and the woman herself, the stronger you're going
Speaker 2: to make her. But keep doing what you're doing. As
Speaker 2: the polls show, it's now starting to drag down Labour's
Speaker 2: vote while you're at it. And as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 2: the sooner the Alberenezer government is exposed for what it
Speaker 2: is and the damage they are doing to our country
Speaker 2: and its future, the better. All right, Let's go to
Speaker 2: Cambern now for the headlines with our Sky News reporter
Speaker 2: cam Reddin.
Speaker 10: Back on Australian soil. Pauline Hanson trades seapack in London
Speaker 10: for Crown Perth.
Speaker 3: It is a slightly bigger crowd than what I had
Speaker 3: in England.
Speaker 10: Defending her podcast appearance with far right nationalist Tommy Robinson.
Speaker 3: Australians are sick of politicians who only ever talk to
Speaker 3: people who already agree with.
Speaker 10: Them, saying she wants to listen to everyone.
Speaker 3: This country isn't broken, it's been held back. Bring me
Speaker 3: your problems and bring me your ideas.
Speaker 10: But her idea of an Australian monoculture is a political
Speaker 10: lightning rod.
Speaker 1: We are stuck in this groundhole day loop. She stands up,
Speaker 1: she says something extreme, then we're asked to react. Then
Speaker 1: she has to come in and explain herself.
Speaker 6: I'm not extreme. People might say that about me, but
Speaker 6: I tend to say what people say so to me.
Speaker 6: But you're only saying what we're thinking. But I've got
Speaker 6: the gups to get out there and say it.
Speaker 10: That has long been Senator Hanson's defense of her views
Speaker 10: and proposals like the one to block migrants coming from
Speaker 10: what she calls radical Islamic countries.
Speaker 8: In a way, though, that is a version of a
Speaker 8: white Australian policy, is it?
Speaker 6: No, it's not. No, it's not. So don't go there
Speaker 6: with me. I'll tell you what because I won't stand
Speaker 6: for it.
Speaker 10: One nation has a single federal senator in the West,
Speaker 10: but wants to grow its presence. Jim Owner Luke Herdigan
Speaker 10: is the party's candidate for the state by election of
Speaker 10: Secret Harbor, facing questions for the first time about his
Speaker 10: past behavior.
Speaker 11: So do you think of public.
Speaker 4: Care if you've filled yourself speeding where you've admitted doing
Speaker 4: in the case, do you think the public care about that?
Speaker 12: I don't think I did film myself speeding, But you know,
Speaker 12: the public will get to make that decision and that's
Speaker 12: up to the people.
Speaker 9: Just asked.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 6: Did you get pulled up and get a speeding ticket?
Speaker 3: I had before been pulled up and this video clip.
Speaker 6: No oh okay, so no problem.
Speaker 10: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
Speaker 2: Los to get into tonight. It's been revealed too from
Speaker 2: questions I notice out of the recent round of Senate
Speaker 2: estimates the shared number of federal public servants who are
Speaker 2: working from home. Almost fifty percent of the thirty three
Speaker 2: thousand staff within Services Australia have it approved working from
Speaker 2: home arrangement are somehow roughly forty two percent of staff
Speaker 2: in service delivery roles. So these are a customer facing
Speaker 2: it to sue do so working from home for part
Speaker 2: of the week. And what's particularly galling is that it's
Speaker 2: very few of the junior or lower paid employees, those
Speaker 2: earning seventy thousand or under, who are working from home Instead,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of the big earners fifteen one hundred
Speaker 2: plus public servants earning around one hundred and sixty eight
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, so three times the median Australian salary. Well,
Speaker 2: they're earning that money working from home three or more
Speaker 2: days a week. Joining me now. Sky's Political editor Andrew
Speaker 2: Clanell and a fair journalist, I'll give you that. You
Speaker 2: can claim that Mantle Andrew, you are tough on both
Speaker 2: sides and you call it pretty straight and even if
Speaker 2: they don't like it, I'll get into Labour's national conference
Speaker 2: in a moment. But those stats, those working from home stats,
Speaker 2: I just can't fathom how you do your job as
Speaker 2: a federal public servant in that sort of role, in
Speaker 2: a customer facing role, if you're working from home.
Speaker 12: Well, of course a lot of these people are two
Speaker 12: or three days as you say, not the five days
Speaker 12: working from home, But if you would expect if it's
Speaker 12: service delivery as you say, you'd have to be in
Speaker 12: the office of facing people the entire time. So there
Speaker 12: needs to be a bigger drill down on that. But
Speaker 12: I can't see a politician taking it on after Jane
Speaker 12: him at the last election when it was extrapolated to
Speaker 12: be a kind of a policy that would affect everyone,
Speaker 12: Labor really weaponized that. So it's going to be a
Speaker 12: tough one for it lives to ever take on again.
Speaker 12: I think unless they're in government then then you can
Speaker 12: sort of approach these things.
Speaker 2: You know. It was interesting when I was in the UK.
Speaker 2: They were telling me that ninety percent of people are
Speaker 2: back at work in the UK, and I mean they
Speaker 2: obviously suffered the lockdowns that we did around the country.
Speaker 2: And in the Victorian state election, Jacinta Allen has legislated
Speaker 2: the right to work from home not just for public
Speaker 2: servants but for private sector employee, so she's likely to
Speaker 2: have polling it says this is a vote even if
Speaker 2: it's making employers basically take their businesses out of Victoria.
Speaker 12: If you give people anything on the ir front, history
Speaker 12: shows it's very difficult to break it back. Interesting for
Speaker 12: the Pomps though they've got terrible train services and the like.
Speaker 12: They're all struggling through that. You know, I mean a
Speaker 12: lot of capital cities of Australia, it's a lot easier
Speaker 12: to get to work than England.
Speaker 2: Let's go to that poll from Newgate Today the mood
Speaker 2: of the Nation and dropped into Australia the TSAVO. It
Speaker 2: reads as a tale of woe. Almost seventy percent of
Speaker 2: Australians feel the country is headed in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: Six in ten believe immigrations way too high. Of course,
Speaker 2: that bodes well for one nation. Also telling two Labour's
Speaker 2: only one point ahead of one nation when it comes
Speaker 2: to cost of living and that's still buying away the
Speaker 2: number one issue for people, isn't it.
Speaker 12: What a shocking figure for the Coalition. I mean, I
Speaker 12: know it's really really bad for labor as well, Peter,
Speaker 12: don't get me wrong, But Angus Taylor, he's on about
Speaker 12: cost of living, he's on about immigration every day. Why
Speaker 12: can't he get a lift out of this? Why was
Speaker 12: he getting cleaned up by Pauline every day? I mean,
Speaker 12: she's the one leading the seven and nine news is
Speaker 12: every single every second night. She's the one who's really
Speaker 12: got that rock star feel and that's what Angus Taylor's
Speaker 12: really battling against. He can't get his message out. He's
Speaker 12: got the policies that address that polling, and no one's
Speaker 12: listening to it. That's the problem he's got at the moment.
Speaker 12: I mean, even you know a lot at the start
Speaker 12: of the show, you've spoken about Pauline, but we all
Speaker 12: are I did on my show, you know the six
Speaker 12: pm news does She's the one providing the headlines and
Speaker 12: the news, And yeah, maybe some of it is skeptcitical,
Speaker 12: maybe some of it is here and James Ashby, you know,
Speaker 12: saying we can come out and make some Outlandis statements
Speaker 12: and we'll get more and more publicity and drum it up,
Speaker 12: get her front and center. It's working. The only way
Speaker 12: that vote's going to be reduced is when people out there,
Speaker 12: including people watching this show, some of her email me
Speaker 12: and say, give one nation a go because they're different,
Speaker 12: realize that she's a politician, just like Anthony Albanezi and
Speaker 12: Angus Taylor, are nothing more and nothing less to be
Speaker 12: held to the same standards and if ever in government,
Speaker 12: to have the same issues to grapple with, which are
Speaker 12: a lot simpler than a bunch of slogans to deal with.
Speaker 12: So like that that, let me jump in it is
Speaker 12: where things need to come to. Otherwise she is going
Speaker 12: to get thirty percent at the federal election. If people
Speaker 12: take a view that she's somehow above politics, then she's
Speaker 12: going to go.
Speaker 2: Really let me jump in there, because that was the
Speaker 2: whole point of my editorial. Those on the left, the
Speaker 2: Abcing and others the Guardian, they go after her thinking
Speaker 2: that somehow they can halt her rise. I argue they don't.
Speaker 2: They actually just kick her in to better and better
Speaker 2: numbers a lot of the commercial networks. You know, they're
Speaker 2: always going to run the government. It's got the biggest megaphone,
Speaker 2: and they run a counter to the government. So the
Speaker 2: counter for the government is usually one individual. Traditionally, obviously
Speaker 2: it's been the opposition, but that's now double headed. It's
Speaker 2: either Angus Taylor or Pauline Hanson. And when the editors
Speaker 2: are sitting down at night, and you know what it's like,
Speaker 2: they're putting together the packages, they're looking for color and movement.
Speaker 2: There's a lot more color and movement. Even if Angus
Speaker 2: is saying all the right things, if he's doing everything
Speaker 2: that every other opposition leader's done in the past, there's
Speaker 2: more color and movement on the one nation side of things,
Speaker 2: and people are tuning in, so they put one nation
Speaker 2: in the package. It happens here, it happens everywhere.
Speaker 12: Five minute ratings at Channel nine and seven they're saying,
Speaker 12: if we do a political story. I used to see
Speaker 12: the State political reported down Channel nine at State Parliament
Speaker 12: Macquarie Street ten years ago. I said, mate, why are
Speaker 12: you doing stories every night on power bills or speed cameras?
Speaker 12: He said, because it rates? You know, the data is
Speaker 12: so good that they basically figure it out that way.
Speaker 12: So they are obviously seeing that a story on one
Speaker 12: nation rates just like the news website see that they
Speaker 12: get clicks, and Angus Taylor just needs to find a
Speaker 12: way to write. It's as simple as that, because if
Speaker 12: he doesn't, he's dead meat, and so it's potentially delivery party.
Speaker 2: He's working like I look at the effort. I look
Speaker 2: at what he's doing on what he's posting. I look
Speaker 2: at where he's going, and he's saying everything that he
Speaker 2: should be saying. The problem is the cut through. You're right,
Speaker 2: the cut threw is not there. I just want to
Speaker 2: quickly get to the ALP national Conference. It kicks off
Speaker 2: this Thursday. I know you'll be there. We'll watch it closely.
Speaker 2: It's the fiftieth Labor conference, three thousand attendees there in
Speaker 2: the room. We know, of course the platform's binding, the
Speaker 2: final platform on all labor MPs. One of the most
Speaker 2: contentious issues is pushed by the left and former Cabinet
Speaker 2: Minister d Husick and other's opposed by former Resources Minister.
Speaker 2: I should say here, Labor member now Ferguson, there is
Speaker 2: a push for attacks on gas. The PM says, I've
Speaker 2: ruled that out, but he's ruled out a lot before,
Speaker 2: hasn't he. What do you think is going to happen here?
Speaker 12: Well, I don't think it's going to happen. I don't
Speaker 12: think it's going to happen. But I think that if
Speaker 12: there's an area in the conference debate where we'll get
Speaker 12: a bit of biffo, which we always look for as
Speaker 12: observers and journalists, this will be the area. This and
Speaker 12: maybe a bit artificial intelligence and maybe a bit of Israel,
Speaker 12: but this is the one because you've got Hughesy to
Speaker 12: the fallen former cabinet minister there drumming it up, and
Speaker 12: several other unions and you know he was sitting with
Speaker 12: the AWU and they were drumming it up yesterday. The
Speaker 12: position of the government is very much in the current environment,
Speaker 12: when you know we're struggling for gas supply, This isn't
Speaker 12: the time and it makes a lot of sense. And
Speaker 12: al Beneezy was quite cranky when asked about this on
Speaker 12: Saturday at a press conference after an Australian Financial Review
Speaker 12: story which suggested the draft platform, which talked about a
Speaker 12: bigger share from resources company's mentor gas TACs. He said,
Speaker 12: the fin review has taken two and two in mad
Speaker 12: eighty seven, so you could see how cross he was
Speaker 12: at the story. So as far as his concerned, and
Speaker 12: let's face it, he has pretty tight control over these
Speaker 12: things as we saw in Brisbane three years ago. There
Speaker 12: might be a crack at this, but it's not going
Speaker 12: to get up and you know he's got the numbers.
Speaker 12: But it will cause a bit of noise and it
Speaker 12: will lead I suspect to people like Jim Chalmers down
Speaker 12: the trail advocating for it again within government. But no,
Speaker 12: it'll probably get defeated. That's really how much noise it
Speaker 12: generates and how much more it pushes along that debate
Speaker 12: the government has Albanezi has no intention of introducing any
Speaker 12: such thing at the moment.
Speaker 2: All right, well leave it there, thank you. Let's going
Speaker 2: out of the Northern Territory. Because following the alleged murder
Speaker 2: of five year old Alice Springs girl Sharon Sweeping, reforms
Speaker 2: have been recommended for the territory's child protection system. Joining
Speaker 2: me now to discuss what's been recommended is our Northern
Speaker 2: Australia correspondent Matt Cunningham.
Speaker 10: Matt that the.
Speaker 2: Reviews in there are proposed changes. What's on the table.
Speaker 11: Yeah, this draft review, unsurprisingly Peter has found that the
Speaker 11: Child pertend Action Department failed to act in a timely
Speaker 11: manner an effective manner in response to the warnings that
Speaker 11: they'd been given about this little girl in Alice Springs.
Speaker 11: We know there'd been about six child protection notifications made
Speaker 11: before the little girl was allegedly abducted and murdered in
Speaker 11: April this year. So the former New South Wales Police
Speaker 11: Commissioner Karen Webbin Greg Shanahan, a former public servant, conducted
Speaker 11: this review. I've got to say that what I read today,
Speaker 11: both the review itself, the findings and the recommendations feel
Speaker 11: a little bit like a sense of deja vus. You're
Speaker 11: talking about a child protection system that failed to act
Speaker 11: in a timely manner, and then we're talking about recommendations
Speaker 11: around staffing levels, around different departments communicating better with one another.
Speaker 11: We've seen a lot of this before. In fact, there
Speaker 11: were very similar findings and recommendations made following the twenty
Speaker 11: eighteen rape of a two year old girl in Tenant
Speaker 11: Creek that was investigated by Colin Gwynn. The Children's Commissioner.
Speaker 11: And if you go right back to twenty ten when
Speaker 11: Howard Bath conducted the Bath Inquiry into child protection issues,
Speaker 11: it was the same issues back then. So I did
Speaker 11: ask the Child Protection Minister Rob and Carl today why
Speaker 11: the response to this is going to be any.
Speaker 2: Different because I'm making the changes. If you go back
Speaker 2: over twenty years ago, there was a headline in The
Speaker 2: Australian that said culture of denial and was around a
Speaker 2: case where a fifty five year old had raped repeatedly
Speaker 2: a thirteen year old because and said that that was
Speaker 2: okay because she was his promised wife. This is a
Speaker 2: situation that is endemic. This is a problem that we
Speaker 2: are living with every day in the territory. And it's
Speaker 2: going to be different because I am going to hold
Speaker 2: the department to account. Yeah, it's not a question of money, mate,
Speaker 2: You and I know there are literally billions of dollars
Speaker 2: spent in Aboriginal communities and Aboriginal services around the country.
Speaker 2: We have a failure of leadership and a failure frankly
Speaker 2: courage from those we elect to see it through and
Speaker 2: the implementation. In particular, I've been watching Robin Calee, you
Speaker 2: know her better than I do. But she sounds like
Speaker 2: she means business. Give me your assessment.
Speaker 11: I think that's a good assessment. She has been absolutely
Speaker 11: to the point on this issue. She has held her ground.
Speaker 11: She has been subjected in the past two months to
Speaker 11: an absolute barrage of criticism. A lot of it has
Speaker 11: been misguided and a lot of it has been ill informed.
Speaker 11: She has been working on these reforms and they will
Speaker 11: pass the Parliament in the Northern Territory tonight, reforms to
Speaker 11: the Child Protection Act for more than twelve months now.
Speaker 11: There has been a great deal of publicity following the
Speaker 11: shocking death of Kumunjai, little baby in Alice Springs, and
Speaker 11: the reforms were introduced to parliament after that, but they've
Speaker 11: been a long time in the making. What prompted her
Speaker 11: to do this was talking to foster care as in
Speaker 11: the Northern Territory and we heard evidence from them at
Speaker 11: a Scrutiny Hearing Committee just a few weeks ago, who
Speaker 11: were saying publicly that there were situations where there were
Speaker 11: children who were in stable foster homes where they had
Speaker 11: been for five or more years, and they were being
Speaker 11: removed from those homes and being taken and sent back
Speaker 11: to communities and put in situations where they knew that
Speaker 11: there was a risk. Authorities knew that there was a
Speaker 11: serious risk to these children that they could again be
Speaker 11: abused and neglected, and that was happening anyway. Now. You
Speaker 11: and I know about this because we've spoken about it
Speaker 11: many times. But to hear that evidence given in a
Speaker 11: public committee and at that hearing, I thought was a
Speaker 11: watershed moment. And the Minister has been clear that she's
Speaker 11: not going to ignore this problem anymore. She has faced
Speaker 11: a barrage of criticism as a consequence. In fact, just
Speaker 11: today we've seen the Federal Minister Tanya Plibisek, as well
Speaker 11: as child protection ministers from every state and territory in
Speaker 11: the country except for Queensland, sign a statement having a
Speaker 11: go at the Northern Territory government about the changes that
Speaker 11: they are making. And remember, the change they're making is
Speaker 11: to say that the safety of the child has to
Speaker 11: be the absolute, first, foremost and paramount consideration when it
Speaker 11: comes to any of these issues. Now, I think it's
Speaker 11: pretty remarkable that people, so many people are arguing so
Speaker 11: vehemently against this. I put it to the Minister today,
Speaker 11: what was happening with Minister POLITIICC and her state counterparts
Speaker 11: and what they were saying about these issues. Here's what
Speaker 11: she had to say in response.
Speaker 2: What other jurisdictions do and what they think is right
Speaker 2: for their jurisdiction is entirely up to them. I will
Speaker 2: make the observation they're not one of those people reached
Speaker 2: out to me to have a discussion about why we
Speaker 2: were taking the approach. We were not one of the masked.
Speaker 2: Why we felt that it was so important to put
Speaker 2: safety first, and to be honest with you, that they
Speaker 2: don't think that that's important is something that I truly
Speaker 2: find incomprehensible. Yeah, good on a Good on her, and
Speaker 2: good on you. Matt. Stay across his issue and know
Speaker 2: that our viewers are very much interested in it. They
Speaker 2: want that they want protection for these kids. Thank you mate,
Speaker 2: or remark the break a former premier Declaire's concerns about
Speaker 2: immigration and nothing more than Grieven's politics. This is a
Speaker 2: liberal now attacking his own. Others like Tony Abbotts say well,
Speaker 2: multiculturalism's failed, China's ramping up of its military and espionage
Speaker 2: activity as well. But people on the left, they don't
Speaker 2: think they are. Tony Abbot up next, welcome back. We're
Speaker 2: going to have a close look at just how much
Speaker 2: Australians are willing to pay in the push towards net zero.
Speaker 2: Spoiler a lot, It's not much. We'll get that at
Speaker 2: the moment. But now to new polling which shows record
Speaker 2: pessimism amongst Australians. Sixty eight percent of us believing the
Speaker 2: country is headed in the wrong direction, sixty two percent
Speaker 2: saying immigration is way too high. It also shows one
Speaker 2: Nation overtaking the Coalition as the second most trusted party
Speaker 2: on cost of living issues. Here to discuss this and
Speaker 2: plenty more, former Prime Minister and now President of the
Speaker 2: Liberal Party, Federally Tiny Abbott, I want to ask you
Speaker 2: about that polling because you can feel division in the community.
Speaker 2: We can see that in the published polls, but you
Speaker 2: can also feel and it's not just nostalgia, because you're
Speaker 2: getting it from younger Australians too. They're worried about our future.
Speaker 2: They're worried that the adults are not in charge, or
Speaker 2: they're not focused on the things that really matter to them,
Speaker 2: and they're worried when they look around the world that
Speaker 2: we're squandering our luck is that fair.
Speaker 7: Look, it is the last chapter of my book I
Speaker 7: called drifting backwards, because I do think we had twenty
Speaker 7: five years of good government under John Howard and Bob Hawk,
Speaker 7: and frankly, we've had a pretty dismal time since then,
Speaker 7: in part because of the revolving door prime ministership and
Speaker 7: then because of a government which is actually undermining our economic,
Speaker 7: our social, and our strategic strength. So look, I can
Speaker 7: understand why people are feeling pessimistic and despondent. The question
Speaker 7: is what is the best way forward? And I believe
Speaker 7: in the marrow of my bones that by far the
Speaker 7: best alternative government is, in fact, a liberal national coalition.
Speaker 2: I made the point at the top of the show,
Speaker 2: and you were there, obviously in the Howard government that
Speaker 2: John Howard did two things. When Hanson, when nature was
Speaker 2: starting to take away votes from the coalition, he didn't
Speaker 2: go after her or her supporters. I mean others might have,
Speaker 2: he did not as leader. But he also filled the
Speaker 2: policy vacuum. He was out there every day. He was
Speaker 2: defining the contest. He had solutions to problems. Now, fair enough,
Speaker 2: Angus is out there every day, I'll give him that,
Speaker 2: But where are the policies time, Where is the meat
Speaker 2: on the bones? Give it's not there with.
Speaker 7: One Give him a chance. Peter, he's only been there
Speaker 7: four months and it took John Howard the best part
Speaker 7: of a term to get on top of this issue.
Speaker 7: And it was really only with the release of the
Speaker 7: tax reform package in the lead up to the nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety eight election that the matter was finally put to bed.
Speaker 7: Problems that are a decade in the making and are
Speaker 7: not going to be overcome overnight. But Angus Taylor has
Speaker 7: made a very good start. The more people hear from Angus,
Speaker 7: the more they like him. And I am confident that
Speaker 7: in coming days, not in weeks or months, but in
Speaker 7: coming days, there'll be a lot more meat put on
Speaker 7: the policy.
Speaker 2: Barnes, Yeah, I say that the rock isn't just a
Speaker 2: Susan Lee or a Peter Dutton problem. It isn't just
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison losing the election. It goes back to when
Speaker 2: you were thrown out of office and a lot of
Speaker 2: Liberals said, you know, we've just become labor light. We've
Speaker 2: made ourselves as bad as labor.
Speaker 7: For far too long, there was a conviction deficit and
Speaker 7: there was a competence deficit, but that's now changed. Watch
Speaker 7: this space when Angus knows exactly what needs to be done.
Speaker 7: We've got to scrap the toxic taxes. We've got to
Speaker 7: end net zero, we've got to end mass migration. We've
Speaker 7: got to put Australia first. And as I said, there
Speaker 7: are a lot more announcements in the pipeline that will
Speaker 7: make it crystal clear who the best hope for better
Speaker 7: government in this country is.
Speaker 2: They've gone after paul En Hanson on her comments in
Speaker 2: relads to my own culture. She's not saying to shut
Speaker 2: the door to immigration. She's not saying bring back white Australia,
Speaker 2: despite the attempts of some in the mainstream media. She's
Speaker 2: arguing that unless we unite under a singular culture, we're
Speaker 2: just a whole bunch of tribes now. Jeffrey Blaney wrote
Speaker 2: that what's thirty forty years ago. I know that that's
Speaker 2: a sentiment I share, and I know you have said
Speaker 2: as much inter of multiculturalism you say has failed.
Speaker 7: A couple of points. Peter, First, this country has a
Speaker 7: wonderful culture. It's the core Anglo Celtic culture and it's
Speaker 7: the foundational Judeo Christian ethos. That's what attracts migrants to
Speaker 7: this country, and we do them no favors, let alone
Speaker 7: ourselves if we suddenly change our culture supposedly in order
Speaker 7: to please migrants. Now, there's no doubt that multiculturalism as
Speaker 7: practice in recent years has failed, and the chief symptom
Speaker 7: of that was the Bondai massacre. Now it wasn't just
Speaker 7: the two shooters plainly had not in any way assimilated
Speaker 7: Australian values. But it's the fact that in response to
Speaker 7: the Bondai massacre we had a whole lot of so
Speaker 7: called Muslim leaders coming out not to insist that this
Speaker 7: had this was so against Islam, but in fact to
Speaker 7: criticize us and warn us about the supposed dangers of Islamophobia. Well, frankly, frankly,
Speaker 7: when people are being killed in the name of Islam,
Speaker 7: there is a problem with Islam, at least as practiced
Speaker 7: by some, and we've got to be upfront and honest
Speaker 7: about that, and we've got to deal with it appropriately.
Speaker 2: Are you concerned that yesterday in Melbourne we had a
Speaker 2: magistrate release another woman connected to isis Islamic State Bride
Speaker 2: they call themselves. I know that you know it's a
Speaker 2: lot more than that, but these individuals, we were a
Speaker 2: number of them facing serious charges out in the community
Speaker 2: on bail. I spoke to a former Scotland yard detective
Speaker 2: in the UK who says, we don't let them come
Speaker 2: back to our country.
Speaker 7: And too many people in out of misguided politeness, seem
Speaker 7: to think that you cannot call out Islamism and you
Speaker 7: cannot call out Islamists.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 7: The truth is everyone in Australia, to use a phrase
Speaker 7: I've used a lot, has got to join Team Australia
Speaker 7: and there are too many people right now who are
Speaker 7: simply living in Hotel Australia and taking advantage of the facilities. Now,
Speaker 7: a self respecting country is proud of its history, proud
Speaker 7: of its culture, is proud of its values, and we
Speaker 7: have to be the self respecting country that our record
Speaker 7: until very recently entitles.
Speaker 3: Us to be.
Speaker 2: You criticize as quickly some changes to the ac the
Speaker 2: naming of seats federally federal electorates and Julian Hill, who
Speaker 2: was a labor at MP, have this to say about you.
Speaker 2: Let's listen.
Speaker 11: Tony ib could going at a psychologist and reflect on
Speaker 11: why you get so obsessed about indigenous issues.
Speaker 2: Well, I know you'll go to arnham Land next week
Speaker 2: to spend a week in an Aboriginal community. And I
Speaker 2: wonder when the last time Julian Hill got out of
Speaker 2: the Melbourne in the city suburbs. Why is that important
Speaker 2: to you?
Speaker 7: Look, I've always thought that the Aboriginal people of Australia
Speaker 7: should be taken seriously by government and that was why
Speaker 7: as Prime Minister I was absolutely unique in spending a
Speaker 7: week a year in Indigenous communities, remote Indigenous communities. So
Speaker 7: it wasn't just book stuff, it wasn't just briefing stuff.
Speaker 7: It was the real life of Indigenous people that you
Speaker 7: were trying to experience and hopefully improve. I did it
Speaker 7: after leaving High Office and there's been a bit of
Speaker 7: an interruption because of the pandemic, because of the voice etc.
Speaker 7: But it starts again next week.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I might prevail upon you to touch
Speaker 2: base with you in arnham Land.
Speaker 7: Thanks better, Thanks Tony.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break after the break. The latest polling
Speaker 2: pays a very different picture about your views on net
Speaker 2: zero and Chris Bowen's.
Speaker 6: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Some interesting data labours, migration appeal systems, buckling under pressure,
Speaker 2: and it explains why it's so much harder than it
Speaker 2: should be to deport people who shouldn't stay in Australia.
Speaker 2: Get to that at a moment, but now into later's
Speaker 2: polling that's exposed to growing disconnects between the Albanezi government's
Speaker 2: net zero ambitions, push, its bludgeting, and what everyday Australians
Speaker 2: are actually prepared to pay for, with more than half
Speaker 2: the country saying they wouldn't pay a cent extra for
Speaker 2: their power bill in the push to go green. The
Speaker 2: survey by Affordable Energy Australia is also found that fewer
Speaker 2: than three in tenabus actually trust the CSIRO to accurately
Speaker 2: estimate the cost. All this on the back of the
Speaker 2: CSIRO's own report which found the push towards renewables will
Speaker 2: hit Australians harder than ever in the hip pocket. Here
Speaker 2: to tell us more about the findings, Affordable Energy Australians
Speaker 2: spokeswoman Zoe Hilton, so welcome to the program. What's interesting here,
Speaker 2: and this has been pointed out that the latest findings
Speaker 2: that the gen cost report in it, the CSIRO made
Speaker 2: no mention of what's a really clear trend is that
Speaker 2: decreasing emissions means our electricity costs are increasing and increasing,
Speaker 2: So what does that tell you?
Speaker 9: So what that tells me is that the CSIRO have
Speaker 9: put ideology before Australians actually having affordable energy. I mean,
Speaker 9: it's just ridiculous because what they've done is in the
Speaker 9: report you can clearly see that the NETSERU scenarios that
Speaker 9: are stronger have higher costs than the scenarios that have
Speaker 9: weak NEETZE or no progress to netzerea as they call it.
Speaker 9: But in their meteor release, what do they say, Well,
Speaker 9: they say renewable energy storage is the lowest cost pathway
Speaker 9: to get to net zero. They don't make any mention
Speaker 9: of the fact that net zero is actually going to
Speaker 9: put costs up. And so what we're seeing here is
Speaker 9: the CSIRO is taking government targets, government policies as a given.
Speaker 9: They're using that is their endpoint, not affordable energy for
Speaker 9: Australians as their endpoint, and then they're working backwards and
Speaker 9: telling the government what the government wants to hear. They
Speaker 9: are not upholding their responsibility to Australian citizens to give
Speaker 9: us objective, technology neutral cost analysis that we can actually
Speaker 9: rely on. So it's no wonder that trust in the
Speaker 9: CSIRO has been eroding so significantly.
Speaker 2: As I said at at the top, they're in your polling,
Speaker 2: just over half of us say not one cent more
Speaker 2: will we pay in order to go green? Seventy three
Speaker 2: percent of people so to three quarters of Australians in
Speaker 2: the poling say fifty dollars is the max. That's all
Speaker 2: I will go for and unrenewable alternative nothing more. Was
Speaker 2: basically you know, Pussy's bio in terms of what we
Speaker 2: can afford as Australians. Around the world, I think there's
Speaker 2: similar views about net zero, and I've just come back
Speaker 2: from Europe where they're basically dropping it. They're running hard
Speaker 2: into nuclear I know, for data and other things. But
Speaker 2: in Australia, I feel like we've, at least federally, we've
Speaker 2: drunk the kool aid and we're going harder and faster
Speaker 2: down this path than anyone else exactly.
Speaker 9: I mean, governments across Australia have been pushing at zero
Speaker 9: for so long, and they've been promising people this will
Speaker 9: make your bills cheaper. They have been promising that whether
Speaker 9: dependent renewables will bring bills down, and they have relied
Speaker 9: on the CSIRO for seven years. Because the CSRO has
Speaker 9: said this seven years straight, the renewables is the cheapest
Speaker 9: form of energy. They've relied on them again and again
Speaker 9: and again. And what has happened. We've had bill increase
Speaker 9: after bill increase. They are not delivering cheaper bills for Australians,
Speaker 9: and Australians are sick and tired of it. And that
Speaker 9: is why I launched Affordable Australia because Australians need a voice.
Speaker 9: They need someone to say we need affordability first out
Speaker 9: energy system. We don't want ideology, we want economics, we
Speaker 9: want engineering, and we want our institutions to do what
Speaker 9: they are supposed to do and to give us the
Speaker 9: cheapest energy system possible.
Speaker 2: As smart as a whip. Zoe, keep it up because
Speaker 2: we need voices like you to demolish as some of
Speaker 2: the BS arguments out there. Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 2: I'll also mentioned too, there was a poll in Victoria.
Speaker 2: Most Victorians oppose Labour's gas phase out. Almost sixty percent
Speaker 2: say they reject the ban on gas connections. Seventy one
Speaker 2: percent say they want consumer choice right quick break. Zoe's
Speaker 2: got a petition too. I think we've got the details
Speaker 2: up on screen. If not, I'll bring them to you
Speaker 2: when I come back join her petition after the break.
Speaker 2: I've got a terrific panel for you. All the noise
Speaker 2: out of Fiji from the climate bureaucrats, my panels coming up. Well,
Speaker 2: I told you it was a cracker panel. Let's bring
Speaker 2: them in. Shuston nine panel Sky News contributor lucy's Zek
Speaker 2: and One Nation National executive member Lee Hanson. Well, welcome, ladies.
Speaker 2: I could call both of you that. I don't mind
Speaker 2: the term myself either. Let's go to the rebelling lawyers today.
Speaker 2: Upset about reforms to the Administrative Repeal Tribunal. Very upset
Speaker 2: that labour's pushing on and making changes here. When I
Speaker 2: read the story, Lee, what worried me most Not so
Speaker 2: much about the changes. I think most of them are
Speaker 2: efficiency changes, but that seventy five percent of the lodgments
Speaker 2: in the tribunal migration appeals, that's up from sixty percent
Speaker 2: last year. I think this is crazy.
Speaker 4: It is absolutely crazy. Pter spot on, And let's be
Speaker 4: really clear the labor rushing these changes through because it
Speaker 4: is the mess that labor created, and what they're trying
Speaker 4: to do is changed to adminis straight process of the
Speaker 4: tribunal rather than addressing the Migration Act itself. And a
Speaker 4: big portion of the issue here that's happening is what
Speaker 4: we call international students who are coursehoppers, if we put
Speaker 4: it really simply, So we've got a large volume of
Speaker 4: international students that are coming into Australia. They then change
Speaker 4: their mind and drop out of their course and seek
Speaker 4: a bridging visa. Now that bridging visa could take on
Speaker 4: average two hundred days to be processed. If that's then
Speaker 4: not approved, they go to the tribunal for a dispute
Speaker 4: and that can take on average of sixty four weeks. Now,
Speaker 4: in the last two years alone, the amount of applications
Speaker 4: have increased from two thousand to fifty thousand. Now this
Speaker 4: is a flaw in the Migration Act. So labor do
Speaker 4: need to clean up their mess, but they need to
Speaker 4: address the Migration Act, which is the real issue here.
Speaker 4: And this is what one nation has been pushing and
Speaker 4: this is what we would address.
Speaker 2: And they are just buying time. We know what the
Speaker 2: tactic is here. Absolutely, let's go to the ALP national conference.
Speaker 2: It starts on Thursday. I'm mentioned at the top of
Speaker 2: the show the Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union, the AMWU, well
Speaker 2: it wants to change the flag. They say our flag
Speaker 2: and the union jack component in specific specificity is a
Speaker 2: symbol of oppression and colonialism. We also know, Lucy, that
Speaker 2: labor want to enshrine welcomes to Country. That'll also be
Speaker 2: on for the bait. Of course, the labor platform is
Speaker 2: binding if it gets up on every labor member.
Speaker 5: I find it fascinating that they just have not been
Speaker 5: able to read the room peter on all of this,
Speaker 5: because when you look at and stretch your mind back
Speaker 5: to how the country voted when it came to the
Speaker 5: Voice referendum, to just now the feedback that people are
Speaker 5: openly giving about welcomes to Country, and many of them
Speaker 5: within the indigenous original communities themselves who were saying that
Speaker 5: they too believe that this is gone too far and
Speaker 5: that it's lost its meaning. Is there a place for them, sure, absolutely,
Speaker 5: But this consistent ramming down our throats, it's not serving
Speaker 5: not just the Indigenous communities but also Australians who had
Speaker 5: a duffle of it with respect to this push to
Speaker 5: change the Australian flag. It is such an embarrassment. I
Speaker 5: think we have to give this level of contempt that
Speaker 5: they are showing for the Australian flag, because there's nothing
Speaker 5: wrong with being proud about the country that you are from.
Speaker 5: I'm the first generation Australia. My parents came here in
Speaker 5: nineteenth sixty eight Croatia. This is their home, this is
Speaker 5: the place that they love. They show more gratitude and
Speaker 5: affection for this country that than those who have been
Speaker 5: born and raised here.
Speaker 2: And it is a flying shame, beautifully said I got
Speaker 2: to ask Leae about Barnaby and a dog last night.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to play the grab again. I made
Speaker 2: the point though at the top of the show, and
Speaker 2: I come from a country area my day would have
Speaker 2: said sit down, your mongrel. And now everyone in country
Speaker 2: Australia is looking at that grab of Barnaby and the dog,
Speaker 2: laughing at the ABC, laughing at the outrage machine. If
Speaker 2: you live in the city where you think what Barnaby
Speaker 2: did is a war crime, I mean, this is extraordinary stuff.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 4: It is extraordinary, and it just keeps piling on right
Speaker 4: the agenda, the biased mainstream media. But what surprises me
Speaker 4: so much is you know, it's well which is great
Speaker 4: on a good hand, Peter, because all it does is
Speaker 4: people see through this, right, and it's just cementing on
Speaker 4: the support for one nation and your spot on the
Speaker 4: bush versus the city, and the reaction to this and
Speaker 4: the media and these constance attacks. Everybody is seen through it.
Speaker 4: Everybody has had it, had enough because it shows the incompetence,
Speaker 4: the incompetence of the mainstream media as well as the politicians,
Speaker 4: the major parties who are deflecting. Why are they not,
Speaker 4: folksocused on the real issues that are tackling Australians right now,
Speaker 4: cost of living, net zero, energy price, it's homelessness, crime
Speaker 4: instead what we're spending how much time consuming about a
Speaker 4: farmer going crookedes dog for interrupting or you know just
Speaker 4: you know during live stream media.
Speaker 9: Come on, give us break.
Speaker 2: I know exactly right. This is only fueling people's discontent
Speaker 2: with camera. Let's go to the four and a half
Speaker 2: million dollars. I mean, this is extraordinary to Chris Bowen
Speaker 2: is putting aside to get some very fancy rooms in
Speaker 2: Fiji for a whole lot of climate delegates and not
Speaker 2: even Australian Lucy. How embarrassing again, I mean, if ever
Speaker 2: you needed more proof, Peter and our wonderful viewers that
Speaker 2: this is all just a box ticking exercise to show
Speaker 2: how virtuous they are and how committed they are to
Speaker 2: this ideological fantasy, then this is it.
Speaker 5: If they truly cared about the climate and the carbon
Speaker 5: emissions and everything that's going on on the you know,
Speaker 5: the near estimations on the planet at the moment, they
Speaker 5: would be doing this from zoom and they would be
Speaker 5: showing a true commitment to the cause. They are hypocrites,
Speaker 5: and they are driving this economy and this nation by
Speaker 5: extention of their ideologicals in the ground, and it is
Speaker 5: an embarrassment.
Speaker 2: I might just add on there too, you know. Will
Speaker 2: Nan Curvis, whose Australia's climate change ambassador. Yes, we have
Speaker 2: one spent one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars and
Speaker 2: I don't know how many thousands and thousands of emissions
Speaker 2: last year flying around the world telling all of us
Speaker 2: to take our roof fracks off, you know, drive more
Speaker 2: efficiently and all that sort of bizo, get out of
Speaker 2: the sky. Thank you, ladies. I'll see you next week.
Speaker 2: That's it for me, see you tomorrow night. Here's Andrew