WEBVTT - Credlin | 21 July 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:06.519 Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.440 Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:13.600 tonight on Kredline. The debate over multiculturalism, spurred on by 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.720 Pauline Hansen, ramped up again today. Former Liberal premier the 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.799 latest to call out the One Nation leader. We joined 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.520 later by Tony Abbott. He says multiculturalism has it failed, 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:28.560 So he'll be interesting as always. We're forecast into the 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.960 ALP national conference. It kicks off later this week. It's 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.080 got some crazy policies being pushed by the left and 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:39.480 of course if they make it into the official platform document, 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.479 every MP is bound by it. Plus the latest polling 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.800 showing that while our politicians continue to flog net zero, 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.640 Australians don't want a bar of it. I'll get into 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.560 that a bit later on and back from overseas today, 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.760 paul and Hanson in a fiery exchange as the media 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:01.720 continues to misconstrue her comments on the white Australia policy. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:09.800 Not not not smart, but it's got nothing to do 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:10.080 with that. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.759 Okay, We're going to stay with this issue because let's 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:20.039 talk about politics and the media, because something is happening 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.480 in this country that deserves to be called out. 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:23.280 Now. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.319 Last month it was ten years since I started here 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.240 at Sky News, and a decade two of me writing 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.680 a column each weekend in the Sunday Papers. So these 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.319 comments come from someone who's now worked at the point 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:40.399 of end of both media and national politics. As you know, 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.680 I don't call myself a journalist, and I correct anyone 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.959 that does. If anything, I'm a lawyer by training and 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:51.120 a political strategist by profession. Here on Sky News, I 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:55.200 host an opinion program and that's what you get every 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.840 night of the week, my opinion and the opinion of 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.720 my guests on all all the big issues facing our country. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.000 But that's an honesty you don't always get from others, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.760 do you, from the media types who like to masquerade 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:14.160 as straight back journalist, when in fact it's opinion dressed 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.800 up as straight talk, and it's about as biased as 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.280 you get now, As you know, it's what they say 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.960 that's a concern, but just as relevant, it's also what 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.640 they don't say, what they leave out, the questions they're 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.760 not prepared to ask. The politicians they go easy on, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:39.200 like this tripe from Green's bother a Girl Sarah Hansen Young. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.160 They get nasty, they divide and they set people up 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:44.919 against each other. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.120 I saw that, Yeah, I mean. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:56.240 I wished I hadn't seen it. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.680 One of those things you think images you don't want 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.840 in your ed, and look these are the pictures she 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:08.760 was snidely referring to. Now do we read that nastiness 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.160 as some sort of commentary on the appearance of missus 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.040 Ryan Hart or the fact that Pauline Hanson was in 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.760 Sicily on a break? Hard to know because not one 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.320 journalist in the camera press pack was willing to take 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.959 her on with a follow up question. Not one See 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:30.720 what I mean? That's not unbiased reporting, is it? Nor 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.560 is this headlines today that Barnaby Joys lost his call, 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.760 lost his temper last night on the ABC. It was 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.920 even the lead story on morning talkback radio and Melbourne 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.560 when I switched it on at six o'clock. And here's 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.840 what calls the latest bouts of One Nation outrage. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.880 Are you really comfortable with where she is taking you? 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.400 I's the sound. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:02.000 Sorry, it's a dog jize for this dog which has 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:03.160 decided to bail up. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.200 No worry about the dog, Just answer the question. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.320 Don't be rude don't be rude, otherwise this interview will 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.520 come to a grinding Sarah. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.600 I mean, seriously, you wouldn't have want to hear my 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:19.000 dad in the paddock sit down your mongrel. That's about 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.720 the best of what he said that I can put 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.919 to ear. Sit down your mongrel to working dogs. In 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:29.120 the real world, a working dog cops a terse command. 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.760 It's not a lap dog, and everybody knows it. It 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.839 is this obsession with one nation by so many in 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:40.320 the media design they think to kill off Pauline Hanson's rise, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.120 that is in fact only helping to kick it along. 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:48.120 Because understand this, the modern world we live in is 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:53.159 information rich. Almost every person's got a device with them 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.960 all day, every day twenty four seven, and they're flooded 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.840 as a result with news and video. What gets through 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.839 to them on politics is for the most part little 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.320 more than an impression. And so when Hanson's in the news, 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.560 good or bad, her name and her brand cuts through. 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.120 Trying to drag her down is actually doing the opposite. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.000 It's building her up. It's putting her on the same 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.839 platform as the other two major party leaders. Case in 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.520 point today, when she landed back into the country from 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.080 her break, Paulin Hansen fronted a summit in WA and 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:34.159 gave a very solid speech in Perth, followed by a 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.800 wide ranging Q and a on stage with the editor 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.960 of The West Australian, Chris Dauer. Few of the questions 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.760 were easy. Almost all of her answers were blunt and 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.240 straight to the point. And what was clear is that 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.440 she had the room in the palm of her hand. 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.000 It was not me advocating the wide Australian policy. I 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:03.080 was telling him when it changed. So I've never advocated thank. 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:10.520 You nor It's not no, it's not no. It's got 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:11.440 nothing to do with that. 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:13.440 Do you tell me one of the Greens that you 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:14.440 want to spend time with. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.520 I'm very strong on certain countries. You've got to say no. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:24.720 And I got it. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.000 Look, yes it was w A and yes she was 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:37.159 defending the hometown girl in Gena Reinhart. But in highlighting 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:41.680 Missus ryan Hart's years and years of philanthropy, she exposed 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:46.640 precisely why attacks on her to get to Hanson a counterproductive. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.719 The other topic I have to touch on is Gena 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.800 ryan Hart, that Italian. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.400 She's wonderful Western Australian isn't she Yeah, I and so too. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:57.720 Gee. 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.279 She does a lot of good for this steak. I'mucky 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.279 to have her in all those taxes and royalties and 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:03.560 jobs that she provides. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:03.960 Estate. 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.479 Why do you think opponents do get so agitated about 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:12.000 your friendship and relationship with missus Hina? What do you 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.640 think drives that well? 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:19.720 I wish that question Albanize's friendship with Pratt and Twiggy 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.440 Forest and no one else gets a questioned like I do. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:27.760 My God, I'm all for a strong and independent media. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.360 I'm all for the fourth Estate speaking truth to power. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.320 After all, I work here at a network where every 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.440 single night I get to say what I think. No 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.200 one gives me any instruction about what should or shouldn't 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.400 be the official line. What you get from me comes 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:47.440 from me. I own it as opinion, and that's why 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.920 so many of you I know watch this channel. I 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.840 will never forget that reaction a few years back, in 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.840 the worst of the Melbourne lockdowns, when I fronted up 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.760 to one of the daily press conferences from Dan Andrews 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.600 Press Conference number ninety nine, I think it was, and 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.320 I turned up as much in frustration as anything else. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:12.440 Sick to death, watching his hour long daily lectures, followed 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:16.640 by another hour at least of syncophantic questions from journalists. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.360 A few of them were brave enough to ever taking 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.080 him on, other than perhaps Rachel Baxendale at The Australian 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.960 and Sir Maya allenby then at the Age. When I 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.120 walked into the room that day and I had to 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.760 fight to get in there, believe me, a very well 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.160 known journalist from the ABC sidled up to me demanded 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.000 to know why I was there and if I was 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.240 going to say. He said, if you stay, you have 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.440 to wait until the end to ask any questions. So 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.800 I did, and when I finished my questioning that day 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.760 or another day, I can't remember, he then asked the 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.920 Premier if he was now going to allow any Tom 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:59.080 Dick or Harry into the room in the future. You see, 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.160 the media is a club for so many of them. 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.160 It's a case of you scratch my back and I'll 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.040 scratch yours. You leaked to me and I'll protect you. 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:12.439 I'll keep your secrets. I'll give you another example. One 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.920 day in Canberra, midway through a long cabinet meeting, we 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.280 had just finished a fairly contentious agenda item when I 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.640 got up to leave the room and to make a 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.040 phone call. Now, as I walked outside the cabinet room, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.560 I spoke to one of the attendants, and I saw 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.840 a well known journalist's name flash up on a minister's 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.520 phone in front of me on the attendant's desk. I 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.960 know exactly whose phone that was, because when cabinet ministers 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.560 left their phones outside the cabinet room at the attendant's desk, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.520 they all had a label on them with their name 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.760 attached to the mobile phone. Now, as I moved away 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.440 to make my call, I watched that very same MP 0:09:55.640 --> 0:10:00.240 who owned that phone exit the cabinet room, collect their 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.560 phone and head off to the toilet. When they got back, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.480 they lodged their phone with the attendant and walked back 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:13.000 into the cabinet room. As I did. Not less than 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.720 thirty minutes later, I was handed a note that read 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.480 I've just had a call from the City Morning Herald 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.040 and apparently X and Y's just being decided in cabinet. 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.240 How on earth do they have this leak already given 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.280 them meeting is still underway, That is what the note 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.679 from our press secretary said to me. Well, I'll tell 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:39.840 you why because the journalist's name on that phone was 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.880 the same name as the one on the note from 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.720 our head of media, and the MP who took their 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.000 phone to the toilet gave that information to them, and 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.240 I know that was true because no other person had 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:56.520 left the cabinet room. Now, that's this sort of stuff 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:01.680 that's killing good government and your trust, voter trust with 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.400 the mainstream media. It's why what we do here in 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.160 matters because we call it as we see it, and 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.240 you know my politics, for instance, it's not hidden. And 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.040 I'm just as tough on my own side. We're warranted 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.640 as I am on the left. John Howard beat Hanson 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.760 by doing two things last time. The first, he barely 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.679 mentioned a name the fight, he said, was it with 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:30.319 her or her supporters. It was with labor. And secondly, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:35.520 he filled the policy vacuum. Every single day he was 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:40.319 out there with solutions to problems. He defined the contest. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.840 He played to the coalition's strengths. Two sound lessons the 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:49.120 liberals must learn now. And as for the hands and 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.240 haters and the media, be warned. The more you demonize 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.480 one nation and the woman herself, the stronger you're going 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:59.040 to make her. But keep doing what you're doing. As 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:03.120 the polls show, it's now starting to drag down Labour's 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.840 vote while you're at it. And as far as I'm concerned, 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.720 the sooner the Alberenezer government is exposed for what it 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.560 is and the damage they are doing to our country 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:19.800 and its future, the better. All right, Let's go to 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.680 Cambern now for the headlines with our Sky News reporter 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:23.840 cam Reddin. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:31.439 Back on Australian soil. Pauline Hanson trades seapack in London 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:32.720 for Crown Perth. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.559 It is a slightly bigger crowd than what I had 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:36.280 in England. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:41.280 Defending her podcast appearance with far right nationalist Tommy Robinson. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.840 Australians are sick of politicians who only ever talk to 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.520 people who already agree with. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.480 Them, saying she wants to listen to everyone. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.600 This country isn't broken, it's been held back. Bring me 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.280 your problems and bring me your ideas. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:04.120 But her idea of an Australian monoculture is a political 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:05.000 lightning rod. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:10.360 We are stuck in this groundhole day loop. She stands up, 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.280 she says something extreme, then we're asked to react. Then 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.360 she has to come in and explain herself. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:21.400 I'm not extreme. People might say that about me, but 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.599 I tend to say what people say so to me. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:25.960 But you're only saying what we're thinking. But I've got 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:27.320 the gups to get out there and say it. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.960 That has long been Senator Hanson's defense of her views 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.280 and proposals like the one to block migrants coming from 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.880 what she calls radical Islamic countries. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.080 In a way, though, that is a version of a 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:41.640 white Australian policy, is it? 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.959 No, it's not. No, it's not. So don't go there 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.000 with me. I'll tell you what because I won't stand 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:47.360 for it. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.920 One nation has a single federal senator in the West, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.280 but wants to grow its presence. Jim Owner Luke Herdigan 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.920 is the party's candidate for the state by election of 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.320 Secret Harbor, facing questions for the first time about his 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:02.280 past behavior. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:03.760 So do you think of public. 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.800 Care if you've filled yourself speeding where you've admitted doing 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.840 in the case, do you think the public care about that? 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.480 I don't think I did film myself speeding, But you know, 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.640 the public will get to make that decision and that's 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:17.240 up to the people. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:17.839 Just asked. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:18.920 Let me ask you a question. 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.320 Did you get pulled up and get a speeding ticket? 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.400 I had before been pulled up and this video clip. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.320 No oh okay, so no problem. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.480 Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra. 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.240 Los to get into tonight. It's been revealed too from 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.920 questions I notice out of the recent round of Senate 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.520 estimates the shared number of federal public servants who are 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.880 working from home. Almost fifty percent of the thirty three 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.960 thousand staff within Services Australia have it approved working from 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:54.200 home arrangement are somehow roughly forty two percent of staff 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:59.280 in service delivery roles. So these are a customer facing 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.080 it to sue do so working from home for part 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.760 of the week. And what's particularly galling is that it's 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:10.880 very few of the junior or lower paid employees, those 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.960 earning seventy thousand or under, who are working from home Instead, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.880 it's a lot of the big earners fifteen one hundred 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.000 plus public servants earning around one hundred and sixty eight 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:26.800 thousand dollars, so three times the median Australian salary. Well, 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:30.960 they're earning that money working from home three or more 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:35.480 days a week. Joining me now. Sky's Political editor Andrew 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.320 Clanell and a fair journalist, I'll give you that. You 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:42.520 can claim that Mantle Andrew, you are tough on both 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.800 sides and you call it pretty straight and even if 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.200 they don't like it, I'll get into Labour's national conference 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.480 in a moment. But those stats, those working from home stats, 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.680 I just can't fathom how you do your job as 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.640 a federal public servant in that sort of role, in 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.120 a customer facing role, if you're working from home. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.280 Well, of course a lot of these people are two 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.240 or three days as you say, not the five days 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.400 working from home, But if you would expect if it's 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:10.920 service delivery as you say, you'd have to be in 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.360 the office of facing people the entire time. So there 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.240 needs to be a bigger drill down on that. But 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.320 I can't see a politician taking it on after Jane 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.840 him at the last election when it was extrapolated to 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:26.400 be a kind of a policy that would affect everyone, 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.400 Labor really weaponized that. So it's going to be a 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.560 tough one for it lives to ever take on again. 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:35.080 I think unless they're in government then then you can 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:36.360 sort of approach these things. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.280 You know. It was interesting when I was in the UK. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.440 They were telling me that ninety percent of people are 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.480 back at work in the UK, and I mean they 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.440 obviously suffered the lockdowns that we did around the country. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.800 And in the Victorian state election, Jacinta Allen has legislated 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.160 the right to work from home not just for public 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.480 servants but for private sector employee, so she's likely to 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.160 have polling it says this is a vote even if 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:05.639 it's making employers basically take their businesses out of Victoria. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.679 If you give people anything on the ir front, history 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.840 shows it's very difficult to break it back. Interesting for 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.960 the Pomps though they've got terrible train services and the like. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.159 They're all struggling through that. You know, I mean a 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.320 lot of capital cities of Australia, it's a lot easier 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:25.399 to get to work than England. 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.280 Let's go to that poll from Newgate Today the mood 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.919 of the Nation and dropped into Australia the TSAVO. It 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.200 reads as a tale of woe. Almost seventy percent of 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.479 Australians feel the country is headed in the wrong direction. 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:42.000 Six in ten believe immigrations way too high. Of course, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:45.760 that bodes well for one nation. Also telling two Labour's 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.160 only one point ahead of one nation when it comes 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.920 to cost of living and that's still buying away the 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:53.679 number one issue for people, isn't it. 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.159 What a shocking figure for the Coalition. I mean, I 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.440 know it's really really bad for labor as well, Peter, 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:04.160 don't get me wrong, But Angus Taylor, he's on about 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.400 cost of living, he's on about immigration every day. Why 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.119 can't he get a lift out of this? Why was 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.200 he getting cleaned up by Pauline every day? I mean, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.520 she's the one leading the seven and nine news is 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.879 every single every second night. She's the one who's really 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.440 got that rock star feel and that's what Angus Taylor's 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.360 really battling against. He can't get his message out. He's 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.960 got the policies that address that polling, and no one's 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.720 listening to it. That's the problem he's got at the moment. 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.359 I mean, even you know a lot at the start 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.760 of the show, you've spoken about Pauline, but we all 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.360 are I did on my show, you know the six 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.240 pm news does She's the one providing the headlines and 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:47.679 the news, And yeah, maybe some of it is skeptcitical, 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.879 maybe some of it is here and James Ashby, you know, 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.160 saying we can come out and make some Outlandis statements 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.520 and we'll get more and more publicity and drum it up, 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:01.040 get her front and center. It's working. The only way 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.520 that vote's going to be reduced is when people out there, 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.119 including people watching this show, some of her email me 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.719 and say, give one nation a go because they're different, 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.720 realize that she's a politician, just like Anthony Albanezi and 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.679 Angus Taylor, are nothing more and nothing less to be 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.760 held to the same standards and if ever in government, 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.560 to have the same issues to grapple with, which are 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.960 a lot simpler than a bunch of slogans to deal with. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.040 So like that that, let me jump in it is 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.679 where things need to come to. Otherwise she is going 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:36.840 to get thirty percent at the federal election. If people 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:41.160 take a view that she's somehow above politics, then she's 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:41.600 going to go. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.040 Really let me jump in there, because that was the 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.480 whole point of my editorial. Those on the left, the 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.600 Abcing and others the Guardian, they go after her thinking 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.920 that somehow they can halt her rise. I argue they don't. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.720 They actually just kick her in to better and better 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.320 numbers a lot of the commercial networks. You know, they're 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.760 always going to run the government. It's got the biggest megaphone, 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.560 and they run a counter to the government. So the 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.560 counter for the government is usually one individual. Traditionally, obviously 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.239 it's been the opposition, but that's now double headed. It's 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.280 either Angus Taylor or Pauline Hanson. And when the editors 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.560 are sitting down at night, and you know what it's like, 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.320 they're putting together the packages, they're looking for color and movement. 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.000 There's a lot more color and movement. Even if Angus 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.680 is saying all the right things, if he's doing everything 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.160 that every other opposition leader's done in the past, there's 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.440 more color and movement on the one nation side of things, 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.080 and people are tuning in, so they put one nation 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.800 in the package. It happens here, it happens everywhere. 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.080 Five minute ratings at Channel nine and seven they're saying, 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.800 if we do a political story. I used to see 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.120 the State political reported down Channel nine at State Parliament 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.960 Macquarie Street ten years ago. I said, mate, why are 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.320 you doing stories every night on power bills or speed cameras? 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.600 He said, because it rates? You know, the data is 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:54.760 so good that they basically figure it out that way. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.160 So they are obviously seeing that a story on one 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:59.960 nation rates just like the news website see that they 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.639 get clicks, and Angus Taylor just needs to find a 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.479 way to write. It's as simple as that, because if 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.280 he doesn't, he's dead meat, and so it's potentially delivery party. 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.639 He's working like I look at the effort. I look 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.760 at what he's doing on what he's posting. I look 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.240 at where he's going, and he's saying everything that he 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.840 should be saying. The problem is the cut through. You're right, 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:22.600 the cut threw is not there. I just want to 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.040 quickly get to the ALP national Conference. It kicks off 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.360 this Thursday. I know you'll be there. We'll watch it closely. 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.280 It's the fiftieth Labor conference, three thousand attendees there in 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.520 the room. We know, of course the platform's binding, the 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.440 final platform on all labor MPs. One of the most 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.879 contentious issues is pushed by the left and former Cabinet 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.720 Minister d Husick and other's opposed by former Resources Minister. 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:53.280 I should say here, Labor member now Ferguson, there is 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.040 a push for attacks on gas. The PM says, I've 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.399 ruled that out, but he's ruled out a lot before, 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:01.320 hasn't he. What do you think is going to happen here? 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.320 Well, I don't think it's going to happen. I don't 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:05.560 think it's going to happen. But I think that if 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:07.840 there's an area in the conference debate where we'll get 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.080 a bit of biffo, which we always look for as 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.199 observers and journalists, this will be the area. This and 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:16.000 maybe a bit artificial intelligence and maybe a bit of Israel, 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:18.600 but this is the one because you've got Hughesy to 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.800 the fallen former cabinet minister there drumming it up, and 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.000 several other unions and you know he was sitting with 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.800 the AWU and they were drumming it up yesterday. The 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.320 position of the government is very much in the current environment, 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.360 when you know we're struggling for gas supply, This isn't 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:35.960