1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Britney Sauners and welcome to Big Business, the 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: place where business is far from boring. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: And today I'm recording on gadigal Land. Now. 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: I somehow managed to build an empire from the garage 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: underneath my house and I'm here to share it all 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: with you, from the winds, the mistakes, the challenging times 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: and the funny moments in between. So, whether you're in 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: business yourself, you're not in the game at all, maybe 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: you're just looking for some inspiration or you simply want 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: to hear a bit of the tea, this is the 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: podcast for you. Coming up on today's episode, we're talking 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: about something that has gotten me a little riled up 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: this week and I've done a bit of a rant 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: on my socials. I jumped straight on my stories when 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: I saw this. I even made a reel about it, 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: and then it got picked up by news dot com 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: dot Au and they've written an article about me and 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: how passionate I feel about this particular thing. It's a 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: new legislation that has come out in favor of employees 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: and it is a game change out well, I think 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be a game changer if you ask me. 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: It's a legislation for the right to disconnect. Essentially, employees 23 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: now have the right to ignore calls from their employer 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: or manager or whoever outside of work hours. Now, I've 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: obviously blasted this on the internet. I've had a lot 26 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: of comments come my way. I've had a lot of messages. 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of conflicting opinions. So let's just 28 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: jump straight into it and run through all of my 29 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: thoughts and deep dive into what I think about this. 30 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: Now. 31 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: I know you're here to hear the tea, but I'm 32 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: going to stop you before we get into it, and 33 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: I've got a little favor that I'm going to ask 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: you to do for me. I would like you to 35 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: click in the show notes of this episode because I 36 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: would love for you to nominate me, yours truly, and 37 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: Big Business for the Australian Podcast Awards. This is a 38 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: bit exciting, right, I feel like we're worthy of an award. 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: If you do have a spare twenty seconds and you 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: enjoy my pod, click the link in the show notes 41 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: punch in Big Business. It'll pull it up there in 42 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: the little entry thing you got to just chuck in 43 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: your email and then I know it's annoying, but you 44 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: will get an email and you have to click in 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: that email for your vote to count. Back to what 46 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 1: we were talking about the right to disconnect. Now, I've 47 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: got the fair work on Budsman website in front of me. 48 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: Let's just run through what this is before we dive 49 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: into everything else. Eligible employees have the right to refuse 50 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: employer or third party contact outside of working hours in 51 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: some circumstances. 52 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: I love that they've included that in there. 53 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: So it then says employees of non small business employers, 54 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: which I believe is fifteen employees and above. And then 55 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: I had some people commenting on my Instagram and stuff saying, well, 56 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: what about me, Like I work for a business that 57 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: only has a few employees. Apparently this is going to 58 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: come into play for them. In twenty twenty five, employees 59 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: of non small business employers have the right to refuse to, monitor, read, 60 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: or respond to contact or attempted contact outside of their 61 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: working hours unless doing so is unreasonable. This includes contact 62 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: or attempted contact from an employer or a third party. 63 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: Employers and employees are encouraged to discuss contact out of 64 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: ours and set expectations that suit the workplace and the 65 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: employee's role. 66 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: Essentially, there is now a legislation in place. 67 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: If your boss is the kind of boss that is 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: hounding you outside of work constantly and it's unreasonable, you 69 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: do not have to answer them. I couldn't love this more. 70 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: This is a huge win now. I had a lot 71 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: of mixed emotions and messages. I also had a lot 72 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: of people questioning me as if though I'd written this 73 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: legislation myself, what if it's in our contract that we 74 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: have to answer, or what if we're on call, or 75 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm a nurse and this is never gonna happen. 76 00:03:59,160 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: What about that? 77 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: I had so many people coming at me as if 78 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: though I'd written this legislation. 79 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: I didn't write this legislation. I'm just a. 80 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: Business owner out here just sharing what it is, so 81 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: don't come at me. I know there are so many 82 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: factors that come into play with this, and I did 83 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: have a lot of people saying employers are going to 84 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: find a way around this, and I'm sure they bloody will. 85 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: They will maybe like sneak things into employee contracts that 86 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: says they must be available to chat at any time. 87 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: But I'm just really glad that this is a thing, 88 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: because I know for a fact that so many people 89 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: are pested by their managers or bosses outside of working hours. 90 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: It's just so wrong on so many levels. Now, when 91 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: I made my reel and my TikTok, I had quite 92 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: a few comments from people saying, oh, like I already 93 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: did this, Like I already ignore my boss out of hours, 94 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: Like I didn't realize that I was supposed to be answering. 95 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: And to that, I say, that's great if you have 96 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: already done that and set that boundary in place and 97 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: have always just never answered calls kind of thing, Like 98 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: I think everyone should really be doing that. But to 99 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: those people that said that, you would be surprised at 100 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: how many people feel like they have no choice but 101 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: to answer that phone call or answer that text message, 102 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: to the point where they feel like they might lose 103 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: their job if they don't answer their boss out of hours, 104 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: or their role may be affected in some way. And 105 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: that's who this legislation is for and who it's going 106 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: to benefit the most. If you already don't answer the 107 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: phone when your boss calls you at nine o'clock at night, 108 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: good for you, Like everyone should be that way. But 109 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: there are some nasty bosses out there that absolutely guilt 110 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: trip their staff. And I did a call out on 111 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: my Instagram saying send me in your stories, and I 112 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: was blown away at the amount of stories that I 113 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: got from people who have bosses that absolutely take the 114 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: pisce when it comes to contacting them outside of work, 115 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 1: and also expecting them to do work outside of work, 116 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: which is just a massive no for me. So when 117 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: this legislation came out, I first saw it on Instagram, 118 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: like news dot com dot You'd shared little graphic, and 119 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: I put it straight to my story and then I 120 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: ended up speaking to AJ because I was in the morning, 121 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: and then I spoke to AJ in the evening about 122 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: it and said, oh, did you see that? 123 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, I saw it. 124 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: And I thought, what a relief because our business falls 125 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: straight into this category. We've got more than fifteen employees. 126 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: This is something that could directly affect our business. And 127 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: I said, I feel so relaxed and at peace at 128 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: the fact that this is not going to affect us 129 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: in any way whatsoever, because I can only begin to 130 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: imagine how many workplaces went into absolute meltdown over this. 131 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: Imagine all the companies that do completely cross the boundaries 132 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to out of work contact. Imagine like 133 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: the bosses and the managers and those top line employees 134 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: who kind of look after everything going into an absolute 135 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: meltdown like this is bad, Like we need to be 136 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: able to contact people at all times, blah blah blah. 137 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: I said to aj, I wish I could be a 138 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: fly on the wall in some of those workplaces and 139 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: hear the conversation that would have happened, because this is 140 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: this legislation has come out, and I'm like, this is 141 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: fucking fantastic for employees and from the employer's side, this 142 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: doesn't affect fate in any way, and I'm so glad 143 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: about that because one thing that I have always been 144 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: big on is when our staff finish their working day, 145 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: that is it. Their working day is done. Our office 146 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: and warehouse hours are eight till four. Everyone does eight 147 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: to four. All of our full timers. As soon as 148 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: four o'clock hits, they walk out the door and that's it. 149 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: They have no work to do. They especially have no 150 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: work to do outside of working. Now some people like 151 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: take work home with them, And I guess the other 152 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: thing too, is like if you are passionate about what 153 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: you're doing at work, and you have something that you 154 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: really want to finish, like, you might have that feeling 155 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: of I'm just going to take my laptop home and 156 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 1: kind of finish this when I get home. But I'm 157 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: like against that, and that's something I've always been against. 158 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: You finish at work at four, you go home, you 159 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: forget about it. 160 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: It's only in a very rare. 161 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: Occasion that I would ever message one of my staff 162 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: outside of work, and it would be if there is 163 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: some sort of thing that needed dealing with immediately. Let's 164 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: say everyone finishes at four, we launch our new arrivals 165 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: at six pm on our website, which I do when 166 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: I'm sitting at home at night. But let's say someone's 167 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: done something and I've noticed something's wrong with the website 168 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: or something's wrong with our email marketing that's going out. 169 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: The only time I would contact is if the website's 170 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: going up at six and I've got. 171 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: To get an answer to a question. 172 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: And if I do contact my staff outside of work, 173 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: which is fucking rare. Someone commented on my TikTok and like, oh, 174 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: let's be real. She would be contacting her staff at 175 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: all hours. I'm like, are you fucking kidding? I couldn't 176 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: think of anything worse. I like that they go home 177 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: and I don't have to talk to them anymore, because 178 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: number one, I respect that the fact that they have 179 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: a life outside of work, but also I like having 180 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: my own quiet time at night. But in the cases 181 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: where there's probably a handful of occasions where I have 182 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: had to contact someone oh message and I'm like, hey, Kim, 183 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I know it's five o'clock and you've 184 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: finished an hour ago, but like, I noticed this, and 185 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: I just want to check before the website goes live 186 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: or something. 187 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: And I think that's fine. 188 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people were getting confused by this legislation, saying, well. 189 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: What if someone needs to be called in for a shift. 190 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: I got a lot of those kinds of comments, and 191 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: I think that is totally fine. 192 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: If you're a casual. 193 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: Employee and your boss is contacting you in the afternoon 194 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: because maybe someone's called in sick for their shift tomorrow, 195 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: they might be looking someone to cover, I think that 196 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: is considered reasonable contact. If it's you know, getting a text, say, hey, 197 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: so and so is called in sick tomorrow, would you 198 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: like to pick up an extra shift. 199 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: That's fine by all means. 200 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: I don't think employees need to write back if they 201 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: don't want to, Like, you know, there's you don't have 202 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: to write back to being offered a shift. But I mean, 203 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: if you want a shift and you want the money, 204 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: then by all means you can reply to that. 205 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 3: I used to work in a workplace where say, for example, 206 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 3: they would send you a text about a shift, and 207 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 3: I wouldn't answer. I wouldn't take it. That would be 208 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: used against me. I remember it was used against me. 209 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 3: They'd be like, well, mate, you know you're not really 210 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: showing initiative when you're not take out those shifts. I 211 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,359 Speaker 3: can't come in that day. 212 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: See, that's where it becomes blurry. 213 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: And I think this legislation is going to look completely 214 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: different from business to business. But one thing that I 215 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,119 Speaker 1: did read and you can read up about this legislation online. 216 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: With this new legislation, employers can no longer do that. 217 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: They cannot hold that against their staff or use it 218 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: to penalize them any in any way. Because I can 219 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: understand that that would be huge in a lot of workplaces. 220 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: Will they're texting you saying, hey, do you want to 221 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: come in for a shift and then they start calling 222 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: and it's like crazy. 223 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: I don't think workplaces should do that. 224 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think if that was us and someone 225 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: hadn't replied to us, like I would then maybe be 226 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: worried that something's gone wrong with. 227 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: Them, like you know, like are you okay? Like I 228 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: just want to check I haven't heard from you. 229 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: But never would we be hounding someone, you know, if 230 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: they just simply haven't replied. I think if we had 231 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: contacted someone offering them a shift like our stuff, will 232 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: always reply and be like yeah I can come in 233 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: or no I can't, sorry I got something on tomorrow. 234 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: If they hadn't replied, I definitely wouldn't go hounding them 235 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: and calling them. I think more so if someone hadn't replied, 236 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: I would maybe wonder if they're okay, But never would 237 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: I just hound them and hound them and hound them 238 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: if they're not. 239 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: Replying to me. 240 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: On this topic, I feel as if though I could 241 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: rant and rave about it for a really long time, 242 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: but I already did on my Instagram story if you 243 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: follow me on there, it was story after story after story. 244 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: But I can just see this legislation being such a 245 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: game changer for so many employees. I feel as if 246 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: though everyone is always, you know, going on about work 247 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: life balance. 248 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: And I think that's so important. 249 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: I don't think any employee should ever be taking their 250 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: work home with them or worrying that they need to 251 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: be on call twenty four to seven. 252 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: That's just absolutely ridiculous. There's been a. 253 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: Few times at Fate where I have found out that 254 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: some about full time that work in our office have 255 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: taken their laptop home and done work at home because 256 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: they I don't know, they may be excited about it, 257 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: or they wanted to get a head start on something, 258 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: and I've said, do not do that, like I get 259 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: your excited or you want to start this project now. 260 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: But I really would never want my staff. 261 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: To feel as if though they have to take their 262 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: work home with them. And I think it's important for 263 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: employers to recognize these things. If your staff are, for 264 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: whatever reason taking work home because they either don't have 265 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: enough time in the day to do it or they 266 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: want to get a head start on something for the 267 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: next day, this is our responsibility as employers to be 268 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: able to recognize this and then come up with a 269 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: solution for that employee so they don't feel as if 270 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: though they have to take it home. That's my job 271 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: then to see if let's say Grace, who's our national 272 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: retail manager, if she's absolutely swamped and taking work home 273 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: or whatever it is, that's on me to recognize that 274 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: and then hire a second person that's going to be 275 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: working with Grace. 276 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: That's our job. 277 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: And I know so many employees feel stressed and overworked, 278 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: and you know, like their schedules just full to the 279 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: brim and they've got no more hours in the day. 280 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: And that's so wrong. 281 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: Like anyone that's in business and has their staff feeling 282 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: that way and cannot recognize shit, this person in this 283 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: department is so run off their feet and make that 284 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: new higher. I don't think that person knows how to 285 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: run a business. I also know that there's a lot 286 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: of employers out there who would be mad about this 287 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: legislation and they'd be saying, well, my business simply can't 288 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: run if I can't have access to my staff. You 289 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: need to take a massive look at your business and 290 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: fix the fucking thing. If you think, oh, no, everything 291 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: will go to shit if I can't call my staff 292 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: at all hours of the night kind of thing. What 293 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: business model do you have that's not a business, that's chaos. Now, look, 294 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: let's get onto the juicy stuff. I asked on my Instagram. 295 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: Send me in your stories if you have them. I'm 296 00:13:58,559 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: going to keep everyone in on a mess. I'm going 297 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: to keep out all the workplaces. We don't want anyone 298 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: suing us. We want to win an award. We can't 299 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: have anyone suing us. But I'm just going to go 300 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: through and read some of your stories about your workplaces 301 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: or previous workplaces. So first up, I used to get 302 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: this a lot from a previous job. My current job 303 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: is sort of the same vein I'm not in heaps 304 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: of trouble if I don't reply after business hours. However, 305 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: I am punished for choosing to not come in early unpaid, 306 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: Whilst two other coworkers come in every morning an hour 307 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: before they start again unpaid. They'll get to go home early, 308 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: take longer breaks, more flexibility, etc. For doing unpaid work, 309 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: whilst I do more work than them during my paid hours, 310 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: but my punishment is no breaks, early clock off, flexibility, etc. 311 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: So in this workplace scenario, people are coming in an 312 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: hour early, unpaid and getting rewarded for that and this 313 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: person is choosing to just show at their start time 314 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: and getting penalized for it and not getting the same 315 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: benefits as the other staff. 316 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: What do you think about employers telling staff you have 317 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: to be here fifteen minutes before your shift starts. 318 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: Hmmm, mixed feelings on that. 319 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't think saying fifteen minutes earlier is necessary, Like 320 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: I think five minutes is more than fine, just as 321 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: long as the employee has enough time to come in, 322 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: put their lunch away, say loa to everyone, have a 323 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: bit of a chat and banter, and then they're ready 324 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: to start when they start the day. But I would never, 325 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: and I've said to my staff, I'm never going to 326 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: be the boss that says you have to be here 327 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes early or twenty minutes early. Just as long 328 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: as you've got a few minutes, honestly to get yourself 329 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: settled in for the day, then that's absolutely fine by me. 330 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: Another thing that I've actually never spoken about on the 331 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: internet or on this podcast is we don't do salaries 332 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: at FATE. And I'll explain to you Whysander's face is 333 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: really shocked again. The way that I run my business 334 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: is honestly using common sense. So you're on a salary, 335 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: for example, Xander, but you could break that down to 336 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: an hourly rate. 337 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, technically I could work out what that 338 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: is here. 339 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: So it's the same sort of thing. 340 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: Like so let's say I say you're on eighty thousand 341 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: dollars a year salary. You can say that, but then 342 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: if you work, you're thirty eight hours a week or whatever, 343 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: you could break it down and you're actually on an 344 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: hourly rate. In my personal opinion, look, I could be wrong. 345 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: We could introduce salaries down the track, but in my opinion, 346 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: I feel as if those salaries and again this is 347 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: just my opinion. 348 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: I'm not wrong or right in this. I think in 349 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: a way, salaries can be. 350 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: Used as a way to get staff to work overtime unpaid. 351 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: Because you're on a salary, you've got to get your 352 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: tasks done because there's no hourly bit included in it. Really, 353 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: I see people getting taken advantage of because it's not 354 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: so much about you getting paid for every single hour 355 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: that you work, it's about you getting your tipusk's done. 356 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 3: Now. 357 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: For example, every single one of our staff are on 358 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: an hourly rate, but they also work their thirty eight 359 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: hours a week every week. So if we times their 360 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: hourly rate into their thirty eight hour week, that gives 361 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: us how much they're on a week. And then if 362 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: I time's at by fifty two so whole year, it'll 363 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: give us what they're on every year, which is essentially 364 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: a salary. 365 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: Do your employees clock in every day? They yep. 366 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: When they get to work, we have a little tap 367 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: on and off thing, and then they also submit time sheets. 368 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: And the difference with this is if someone works half 369 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: an hour like just say eight to four, but someone 370 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: says at four thirty, they will get paid extra for 371 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: that half an hour, Whereas if you're on a salary 372 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: and you stay back half an hour one day because 373 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: you're trying to get something done, you're not going to 374 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: get paid half an hour more. 375 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 3: And if your employees don't work, say they're full contract 376 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 3: to thirty eight hours, does that get taken out of 377 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 3: their pay. 378 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: They can choose to either take it like leave without 379 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: pay technically, or if they're leave it two hours early 380 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: one day, they could take it as leave if they 381 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: wanted to. In some cases, let's say if they've worked 382 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: back late one evening because we did like a special 383 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: event in stores or whatever. Then they might do a 384 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: half day the next day kind of thing to balance 385 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: it out. But our thing that we're massive on is 386 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: our staff work thirty eight hours and that's it. And 387 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: if for some reason, if someone's traveling around or whatever 388 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: and they end up doing an extra ten hours a week, 389 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: they're going to get paid ten hours for that overtime. 390 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: And do you think that there's any future where you 391 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 3: would move to salaries? 392 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: I see it as being much of a muchness because 393 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: if you work it all out, you can still work 394 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: out what our staff earn in one year. Like I'll 395 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: even just do some maths for you right now. Let's 396 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: say someone's on forty dollars an hour. Okay, forty dollars 397 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: an hour times thirty eight, so that means they're on 398 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred and twenty a week times fifty two, which 399 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: is your year. 400 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: That person is on a. 401 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: Seventy nine thousand dollars salary, Like, it all kind of 402 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: works out. Or if they're on a seventy nine k 403 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: salary package, you could then divide that by fifty two 404 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: and then work out what it is per hour. I 405 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: think the benefit for our employees in that scenario is 406 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: no one ever works over time or does ten hour 407 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: days to still get paid the exact same So that's 408 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: the way that we've always done things at FATE. It 409 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: works that way for us, and I think it's fair 410 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: because I think especially in big corporate people just get 411 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: taken advantage of and they're on a salary, which you 412 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: can work that down to an hourly rate based off 413 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: a regular thirty eight or forty hour a week. But 414 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: are those people working like for the big fours and everything, 415 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: actually doing thirty eight hours a week. Probably not, I 416 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: reckon they're doing fifty. 417 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: It's so interesting you have this view because me personally, 418 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 3: I prefer a salary. I actually feel more stressed about 419 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 3: my finances and my pay in my work time if 420 00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: I'm on an hourly rate. 421 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: How come what if you do the exact same hours 422 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: every single week, so we also pay weekly? 423 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, ah, yeah, you got to pass it on to. 424 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: Nover We paid weekly. So that's the other thing. 425 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 1: Our staff work thirty eight hours a week every single week, 426 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: and they get paid the same every week. 427 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: At the end of the year. It equals a salary amount. 428 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 429 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: I think that it's more on my mind the amount 430 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 3: of work I'm doing by being paid hourly. 431 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: But even though you're on a salary, you are getting 432 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 2: paid for every hour. 433 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: It's suggest to mind it thing for me, it is. 434 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: And we've had people come to work with us that 435 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: have worked on salaries before and they're always. 436 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: Like, what, I don't get it. 437 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: But I'm like, even if you're on an eighty K salary, 438 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: if you work thirty eight hours a week, you're on 439 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: an hourly rate. 440 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: I think it's the time sheet and I think it's 441 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 3: the clock in. Yeah, it's like it's a bunch of 442 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: stuff I just do not want to have to do. 443 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, it could like the systems that we 444 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: use make it super easy for everyone. Like it's literally 445 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: so easy, especially if they're doing the exact same hours 446 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: every week. It's just like press a button, press a button, 447 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: press a button. It's the same. And look, in the future, 448 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: it might be easier for us in terms of like 449 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: our payroll and stuff to just say, Okay, well you're 450 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: on forty dollars an hour, which is seventy nine K 451 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: a year. You're now on a seventy nine K salary, 452 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: Like it might make it easier for us, But it 453 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: literally all works out the same. The benefit is if 454 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: they work extra hours, they're going to get paid for those. 455 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, it's just you're on your salary 456 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: and that's that, even though you did ten extra hours 457 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: this week, like it just works into your salary kind 458 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: of thing. That's my mindset anyway, my next scenario, I mean, 459 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: I had so many of these I actually couldn't pick 460 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: which ones to read out. I worked as a travel 461 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: agent for a huge Australian company with multiple overseas franchises, 462 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: including twenty four to seven call centers. 463 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 2: All around the world. 464 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: The amount of times I was expected to take calls 465 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: outside of work hours was stupid. While I was at 466 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: the beach, watching TV at home, hell, even in another country. 467 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: A lot of the time it was something that could 468 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 1: wait until I was back, or it could have been 469 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: an email or a text for something as small as 470 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: do you remember if you've sent this quote? If they 471 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: could see a quote in the system, I had probably 472 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: sent it, and if I hadn't, they could just ask 473 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: the customer if the quote was received. Even customers calling 474 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: me after hours was overwhelming, and my boss expected us 475 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: to help the customer after hours. Mind you, I didn't 476 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: have PC access at home. We had a twenty four 477 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: to seven phone and online team. However, if I was 478 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: referred to the customer to that team, I was always 479 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: in the wrong. See that's just wrong, unless you're like 480 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: I think, no one should be doing work outside of 481 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: work unless you unless that's in your contract. Unless you're 482 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: getting paid over time to be on call at night, 483 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: like an on call electrician or something. You know, even 484 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: if they don't get called to a job, they still 485 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: get paid. Unless you're getting paid something like that, like 486 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: some sort of little bonus. 487 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 2: You shouldn't answer the phone. You shouldn't have to. 488 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: I had a few people also say to me, well, 489 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: what about the other way around? Staff shouldn't be able 490 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: to contact their boss outside of work. 491 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: I disagree. 492 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: I think when we sign up to own a business 493 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: and have employees, we are signing. 494 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: Up to like looking after those people. 495 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: Now again, if it's unreasonable if your employee is contacting 496 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: you outside of ours to be just annoying or talk 497 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: about something that could definitely wait until tomorrow, then by 498 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: all means like, let's have that conversation tomorrow kind of thing. 499 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: But I can't see why employers and bosses could get 500 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: mad at their staff contacting them out of ours, because like, 501 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: that's what you sign up for when you go into business. 502 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 3: Britt yourself as an example, you have systems set up 503 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: in place where there's other people that these that your 504 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 3: employees can contact that aren't you. Absolutely, so, like, if 505 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: you have the correct business structure, the business owner, I 506 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 3: shouldn't have to worry about those employees always coming to 507 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: them because there's always going to be someone who's being 508 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: paid that day that they can contact to answer any question. 509 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think staff should be able to contact 510 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: their or their boss for whatever reason. And again I 511 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: think it should be case by case. If it's someone 512 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: messaging their manager to say, hey, I know I meant 513 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: to start in the morning, but I'm really sick tonight, 514 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: I think that's more than fine, you know. But if 515 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: it's to ask about something that could absolutely wait until 516 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: the next time they're working together, then of course, let's 517 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: do that conversation tomorrow. Let's have that conversation tomorrow. I 518 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: think it's a case by case thing. And also, again, 519 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: like you said, it's having your business set up right 520 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: so that everyone has someone to contact. And also just 521 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: being open and communicating with your staff about boundaries. It's 522 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: just having all these correct systems in place that's going 523 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: to make communicating a lot easier, all right. Next scenario. 524 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 1: I took a week off work last year as I 525 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: had to have surgery. I work for a big building company. 526 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: I left notes for anything that may pop up in 527 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: my absence, but we upload anything slash everything to a system. Anyways, 528 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: instead of my manager looking through a file to find 529 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: an answer, they called me multiple times through the day 530 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: slash after hours. I didn't answer, and upon my return 531 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,239 Speaker 1: I was questioned on why and got told how they 532 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: couldn't find the information they needed and a customer was 533 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: left waiting for a week. It turns out it was 534 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: the last item uploaded in the file, and had they 535 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: have looked, they would have been able to find it 536 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: and leave me alone to recover during my time off 537 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: and avoid a shit conversation. Lazy management. I'll tell you 538 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: an interesting part about that as well. When people are 539 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: going on leave, let's just say they're taking personally for 540 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: whatever reason, like a surgery, or if they're. 541 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: Going on annual leave. 542 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm huge on our staff completely disconnecting from our business. 543 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: For example, Grace, our national retail manager. She went on 544 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: one holiday a little while ago, and she's so passionate 545 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: about her job and just loves everything that she does. 546 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: She went on one holiday and I know that she 547 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: kept checking like group chats and emails and stuff while 548 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: she was away, and when she came back, I said, 549 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: do not ever do that again. So I think she 550 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: went on another holiday more recently, and I made her 551 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: like delete WhatsApp and saying with em our general manager. 552 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: She's now off on maternity leave and she is all 553 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: and it's a great thing to have like passionate employees 554 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: that just want to stay involved and am just I've 555 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: never met anyone that loves their job more like in 556 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: my whole life, like she fucking loves it. She was 557 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: so sad to go on maternity leave, she wrote AJ 558 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: and I like her email to say, like, you know, 559 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm officially going to go on maternity leave on this day, 560 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: and she wrote like it is with great sadness that 561 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not quitting, You're going to fucking maternity leave. 562 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: But even because she's our general manager, she was in 563 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of our WhatsApp group chats and she was 564 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: like can I please just like stay in like our 565 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: main one And I'm like, no, like and I literally 566 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: she said I want to be in it and I've 567 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: said no, you are going on leave and I kicked 568 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: her out of the group because I'm so for staff 569 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: when they're on leave, whether it's holiday, maternity, personal leave, 570 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: you are on leave. I am not contacting you about 571 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: shit unless it is an absolute emergency. Meanwhile, there's other 572 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: employers out there hounding their staff when they're literally on 573 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: fucking leave. Like the disrespect, it's just on another level. 574 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: Here's another one. And I actually had a lot of 575 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: people reach out to me, people that are teachers. All 576 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: of you teachers out there, I don't know how you 577 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: do your job. I know people say like, oh, teachers 578 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: have got it easy. They just work nine till three, 579 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. They don't at all. Yeah, sure they're 580 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: in the classroom from nine to three and they're on 581 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: a salary, but they're in at fucking seven. They're taking 582 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: all their work home with them, they're marking shit at night. See, 583 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: and they should be getting paid for those hours. Xander, 584 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: this is why I love an hourly rate. This person said, 585 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: not necessarily a story. But I do wonder how they 586 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: are still expecting teachers to work so many hours outside 587 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: of their paid work hours. See, this is where a 588 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: fucking hourly rate comes into play. I'm telling you we 589 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: are working ten to twenty hours a week outside our 590 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: paid hours, and I know this for a fact that 591 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: teachers get taken advantage of in this way. You should 592 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: absolutely be getting paid for those hours. 593 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: I think the issue is is that, yes, even if 594 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 3: they were paid the hourly rate, like, will the business 595 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 3: pay them for those hours? Do you know what I mean? 596 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: Because they could be contracted for the thirty eight, but 597 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: they're like, oh, I've got to come in and get 598 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 3: this extra work done otherwise I literally can't do my job. 599 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: Then you've got the battle of saying, hey, I need 600 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: to come in two hours early every morning, so you 601 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 3: know what I mean, another battle like a. 602 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: Big mess for businesses. Then employees could take advantage of. 603 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 3: That they wanted an extra four hours, yea, they dine. 604 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: They could say that they're working ten hours more when 605 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: they aren't. But I guess that's the difference between obviously 606 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: huge companies and like being in education and hospitals and 607 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: all that versus us like I'm a solo funded, one 608 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: person business. I can pay my staff for all the 609 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: extra hours they do because I know that they're doing 610 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: them where I can understand how then that would become 611 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: messy for big companies because where do you draw the line. 612 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: What if all of a sudden, all of your staff 613 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: are apparently doing ten hours extra a week and you're 614 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: paying it to them, how do you monitor that? 615 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously every teacher's workload is completely different, so 616 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 3: like how do you monitor d I can understand that 617 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 3: that extra time. It's a hard thing because teachers are 618 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 3: amazing and there's definitely a huge issue all over the world, 619 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 3: but in Australia at the moment, with what we're paying teachers, 620 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: how much work they're doing, the rights that they deserve 621 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 3: to have in their employment. So shout out to the teachers. 622 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: Honestly, one hundred percent. 623 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: Again, that's why I'm saying, maybe if we get huge 624 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: to the point where we can't do this hourly rate 625 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: thing anymore, Like it's easy to go, Yep, you're on 626 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: eighty grand, yep you're on ninety grand, whatever it is, 627 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: and call it a day. But for the time being, 628 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: like I can pay my staff for the extra hours 629 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: they work and I hope that I can do that forever, 630 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: but it would be hard for teachers in education. There's 631 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: so many teachers. How do you monitor that? Another comment 632 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: that this person left at the end of that message was, 633 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: we receive emails from parents who wouldn't reply to their 634 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: own boss outside their work hours, but expect us to 635 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: reply sap outside our own work hours. So that in 636 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: itself is crazy as well to think that. That's another 637 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: part of teachers is they are hounded by the parents. 638 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: Out of ours. That's insane to me. 639 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: And like these parents, like she said, they wouldn't answer 640 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: their own boss outside of workouts, but they one hundred 641 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: percent expect the teacher to answer. 642 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: Oh, when it comes to people's kids, the gloves are off, 643 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: like their little babies. Everything has to stop and it's 644 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 3: the babies that come first. But we need to remember 645 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 3: that we need to respect other people's I know, boundaries, 646 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: but the fact. 647 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: That teachers do get hounded like I don't understand, Like 648 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: when we went to school, like my mom couldn't contact 649 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: my teacher. 650 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 2: But is this this new thing now where like parents 651 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: can directly contact teachers. 652 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 3: I think a lot of schools have like portal set 653 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: up where they can like specifically. 654 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: To go home from work, and you've got someone's fucking 655 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: mum contacting you my son in kindy, I need to 656 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: know this, Like, do you really. 657 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeremy left his hat on the playground, you have 658 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 3: to know where it is. Actually, it's cost a lot 659 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: of money. 660 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: I fucking feel for a lot of you teachers. But yeah, 661 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: it's just really tricky. And I mean I could talk 662 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: about this forever and there was like one hundred more 663 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: scenarios that came through. But all in all, I'm so 664 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: happy about this right to disconnect and I hope that 665 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: it is going to be something that is implemented strongly 666 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: and does help you know, a lot of these employees 667 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: that are constantly hounded by parents outside of work, their boss, 668 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: their manager, whoever, whatever. And I hope it also reduces 669 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: the amount of work that people are doing outside of 670 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: their working hours, like ten to twenty hours a week 671 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: extra for teachers, Like that's just not on. Like the 672 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: schools need to look at the structure of the whole 673 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 1: thing and figure out how can we ensure that these 674 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: people are just doing their work inside of their work hours. 675 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 3: Let's strike for the teachers again. 676 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: Let's protest for everyone. 677 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and every nation, in every employment. Yes, exactly right. 678 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: We'll have our pitchforks and we'll be fucking rallying. 679 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: Everyone should get paid for every hour they work. And 680 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: that's that's that for me. Tip of the week to 681 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: all of your business owners out there, respect your staff, 682 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: respect their boundaries, and in return to all of you 683 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: employees out there, let's do the same back to our employers. 684 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 2: Let's respect them. Let's just respect each other. 685 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: I feel as if though a lot of people in 686 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: positions in power in business that's like in quotation marks, 687 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: like you know, upper management and whatever, they can get 688 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: power trips happening and just think that their staff are 689 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: there at their own disposal whenever they need them. But 690 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty four. Millennial bosses are taking over. Gen 691 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: Z bosses are on the right, and I think we're 692 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: just going to see a lot of things change for 693 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: workplaces over the coming decades. I think a lot of 694 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: this whole I can contact you anytime, blah blah blah, 695 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: why won't you answer me? I think it's like a 696 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a generational thing. 697 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: These be grind culture. The grind culture has shifted. We're 698 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 3: no longer you're no longer impressing someone because of the grind. 699 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 3: You're actually impressing someone with your work life balance. 700 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: Now, I think one hundred and god like, I think 701 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: the whole grind and hustle culture and whatever that should 702 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: be on the business owners. If we're going to be 703 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: the ones out there hustling and grinding, by all means, 704 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: that's what we're going to do to drive the business forward. 705 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: But it shouldn't be on the backs of our employees 706 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: taking their work home with them worrying about work outside 707 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: of work. I want my staff to go home and 708 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: just forget about it, like, not think about it until 709 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: the next day. I don't want them going home with 710 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: worries or you know, extra work to do. So my 711 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: tip of the week is respect one another, especially in 712 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: the workplace. We spend so much time at work, you know, 713 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: we want to make it as amazing as we can. 714 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: So I'm hoping this new legislation will absolutely play a 715 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: part in that and will hopefully actually work. And you know, 716 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: I hope companies don't just I mean, I'm sure they will. 717 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: Figure a way to just to get around it. 718 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: But I'm hoping this will benefit a lot of employees 719 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: out there, and to all of you employees out there, 720 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: if you do have a boss, because I've got so 721 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: many messages, if you have a boss that is just 722 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: constantly pestering you, set some boundaries, stand up for yourself, 723 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: and don't be afraid that it's going to affect your role, 724 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: because that's what a lot of people said to me. 725 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: They're like, Oh, like, I could I have a boss 726 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: like this, but I'd be too scared. If I don't 727 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: pick up the phone that then my job will, you know, 728 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: be in jeopardy, Like are you working at the right place? 729 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: If that's how you feel, just take a think about 730 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: that and set some boundaries in place with your employer 731 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: or manager or boss or whoever it is. That's my 732 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: tip to you anyway, my friends, I hope you've enjoyed 733 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: this episode. But we've got a little bit fired up 734 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: there and we've had our first little di agreement. You 735 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: like salaries and I don't. Everyone is on a fucking salary. 736 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 3: When you're in a full time capacity. I just prefer it. 737 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you get paid monthly, which is different. Yeah, 738 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: I like that we do weekly. You know, our staff 739 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: know exactly what they're getting paid every week, times out 740 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: by fifty two, and you got yourself a salary. If 741 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: you haven't already, please feel free to hit five stars 742 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: on this pod and again, like we said at the 743 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: beginning of our record today, hit the link in the 744 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: show notes. 745 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: If you would like to vote for us. 746 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 3: Please do it because if I don't, we don't win, 747 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 3: it's gonna yell at me again. 748 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: No no no. 749 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 2: If we don't, We're not gonna put you on Ali Ray. 750 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: I'll be in your ears on Wednesday in my bonus EP. 751 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 2: And thanks for listening. Oh fuck, I keep forgetting to 752 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: say that. 753 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: And remember to chase after your dreams as if they 754 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: owe you money.