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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Clink. This is part two of

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Speaker 3: my story with Gary Jubilant, and I think you're really

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Speaker 3: going to enjoy this second part.

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Speaker 1: Gary, just just a hold on for a sec. When

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Speaker 1: we had the mike's and the cameras turned off, didn't

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Speaker 1: we agree? It was The Clink and I Catch Killers.

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Speaker 3: Well, I got you on the first episode.

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Speaker 1: Ye.

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Speaker 3: Well I tried to pull it on the second. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nah, no, you're not going to sleep. Yeah, I learned,

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Speaker 1: Gary Jubilant, Okay, welcome back to part two of The

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Speaker 1: Clink and I Catch Killers episode. I was ambushed in

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Speaker 1: part one, but all jokes aside. I think we've got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, we really do. And look, I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to apologize as you haven't for anything stuff apologize, you know,

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Speaker 3: like I swear by it. And I feel that these

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Speaker 3: honest conversation. So to our listeners out there, I think

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Speaker 3: from both of us, I hope you do appreciate where

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Speaker 3: we've come from in the angle that we've taken, because

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Speaker 3: I feel that it needs to have been spoken of.

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Speaker 3: Part two is now and it really is something worth

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Speaker 3: listening to. I feel that we're both trying to achieve

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Speaker 3: a very similar goal in what we see in what's

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Speaker 3: you know, whether it be through our youth, our young

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Speaker 1: It seems like an angry place at the moment, doesn't

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Speaker 1: it that just has this feel, this vibe, It.

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Speaker 3: Really does, and I think that it's it's scary as

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Speaker 3: and both of young young persons, you know, what, what

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Speaker 1: My my thing. When I was in the cops, like

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make a difference in crime.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear you talk about the cops anymore,

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Speaker 3: Like let's move forward, but the cops, bik toole. I

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Speaker 3: was a criminal before I was a biking.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but what I'm saying I still want to make

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Speaker 3: And what I've learned, so Gary Jubilan wants to make

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Speaker 1: I want to. I want to make a difference in

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Speaker 1: the world the crime. I've still got passion, I've still

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Speaker 1: But while I've worked out, these people have been making

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Speaker 1: putting young kids, pointing them in the right direction. Imagine

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Speaker 1: your life, Brent. I just thray this as a hypothetical.

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Speaker 1: If someone there and you went through some really rough stuff,

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Speaker 3: And I've always said that, I even say it to

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Speaker 3: You know, parents that love you, a roof of your head,

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Speaker 3: know what, what is the excuse? Because I know, for me,

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Speaker 3: You know what is the excuse?

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Speaker 1: There is none There there is none but one life

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Speaker 1: you're trying to make a difference, And you are actually

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Speaker 1: making a difference with the messaging that's coming out from

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Speaker 1: the Clink is about stories of redemption. So it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter how low you are in life, there's always a

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Speaker 3: I want to give credit to everybody out there that

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of us out there, and I say

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Speaker 3: us as in a broader spectrum of persons who have

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Speaker 1: I think where I'm in a fortunate position. I honestly

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Speaker 1: world will be a beautiful place. It's not that way.

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Speaker 1: You made the point of lived experience. I cannot stress

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Speaker 1: If you sit down and speak to someone whose life's

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Speaker 1: Who's certain people who listen to other people that you ignore.

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Speaker 1: Before we sat down here and you ambushed me in

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Speaker 3: And so much respectful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a top bloke and he's doing he's doing some

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Speaker 3: My fondest memories of him as watching him take it

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Speaker 3: Nator just fed him. And it was a big thing

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Speaker 3: because Nata didn't do it for glory. Yeah, Nati did

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Speaker 1: Well, well that's who he.

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Speaker 3: He was well known street cred wise. I don't be

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Speaker 3: It didn't happen that way. You know, he was blessed

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Speaker 3: an inspiration to many. There's so many others out there.

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Speaker 1: And all these people like that, people from drug addictions.

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Speaker 1: And I know you've had a few on the clinkers,

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Speaker 1: I have on eye catch killers. The ones that have

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Speaker 1: break the addiction. And they've set up these retreats and

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Speaker 1: different things. Yes, why don't we buy into it? I

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Speaker 1: don't know if the government support them. I know that

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Speaker 1: quite often they struggle for money. I know people like

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Speaker 1: Nata are looking for opportunities to make a living. Now

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Speaker 1: that making making good passing on these messages. So we

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Speaker 3: I think so too, and look, to be honest with you, Gary,

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Speaker 3: I had the honor of standing up some years ago

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Speaker 3: to say it wrong. Clinicians is that how it's pronounced. Clinicians,

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Speaker 3: clinicians whatever. A bunch of fucking professional people that went

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Speaker 3: all about. Now, hang on, let me take a backwards

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Speaker 3: step there, because I don't want to offend anybody, and I

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Speaker 3: mean this sincerely. We are definitely in need of some

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Speaker 3: wonderful people out there in that space. But it was

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Speaker 3: Brisbane and I was invited to stand up and speak

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Speaker 3: I feel that here is a majority to day as

433
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Speaker 3: we speak, never ever ever feel that your children don't

434
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Speaker 3: love you, and never give up. As somebody who has

435
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Speaker 3: a distant relationship with my oldest son because of the

436
00:22:15,921 --> 00:22:19,561
Speaker 3: choices that I did make, I've one hundred percent learned

437
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Speaker 3: to be a better father with my three children after that,

438
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Speaker 3: and I will always keep that door open and the

439
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: love is unquestionable. But I also look and I feel,

440
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Speaker 3: you know, when my children look at me and say

441
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Speaker 3: thanks Dad, all I'm proud of you, Dad, or give

442
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Speaker 3: me that hug and that so can you tuck me in, Dad,

443
00:22:37,921 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 3: still means a lot, you know it means a lot.

444
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Speaker 3: Give me a little bit emotional. There you got the tissues.

445
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Speaker 3: That was another thing. There was props put there for

446
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Speaker 3: the reason. So you know what, Gary, I'm just going

447
00:22:51,681 --> 00:22:54,561
Speaker 3: to flip this on its head and say, this was

448
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 3: never the path that we're going to end up at.

449
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Speaker 3: But how's the meaning and the purpose right now? And

450
00:23:01,761 --> 00:23:07,001
Speaker 3: the real like the reality of real two fathers. Forget

451
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Speaker 3: about where we've come from, the paths we've walked, but

452
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,001
Speaker 3: what we've learned and how we've been able to give

453
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Speaker 3: that back to our children and become better men because

454
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Speaker 3: of the love of our children.

455
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Speaker 1: We didn't thought think we'd be talking down this path.

456
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Speaker 3: Well no I didn't. I wasn't going personal with you,

457
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Speaker 3: but it's ended.

458
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Speaker 1: Up well I've had no we were going personal.

459
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Speaker 3: Was very personal to start with. Well, yeah, this is

460
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Speaker 3: a different person.

461
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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of time to reflect on things

462
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Speaker 1: and my life and the chaos that was my life,

463
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Speaker 1: and my chaos would have partly insignificance to what it

464
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Speaker 1: would be in the outlaw motorcycle gangs, but the chaos

465
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Speaker 1: of your life and when it's all said and done,

466
00:23:45,281 --> 00:23:50,201
Speaker 1: the highs and lows and very similar, what's what's left. Yeah,

467
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Speaker 1: you got you got your kids and someone that loves

468
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Speaker 1: you or people that love you. They're the important thing

469
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Speaker 1: and it's unconditional. You never need to question it. Like

470
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Speaker 1: you have relationships, and you do. You question at times

471
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Speaker 1: is this really? You know, is it going to last? Well,

472
00:24:06,561 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: that's true, and sadly, I've been through quite a few relationships.

473
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Speaker 1: But there's one consistency is my kids are always there.

474
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Speaker 3: And I think that if our listeners can take something

475
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Speaker 3: from this podcast of ours, is that just give your

476
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Speaker 3: children every possible opportunity that you can to your best means,

477
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,241
Speaker 3: and that doesn't mean monetary. Just give them your heart,

478
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Speaker 3: give them your time, give them your patience. And I've

479
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,761
Speaker 3: got to slap myself in the face here and take

480
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Speaker 3: some of my own advice because I'm at times the

481
00:24:38,521 --> 00:24:40,961
Speaker 3: worst person in the world. I find it very hard

482
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Speaker 3: sometimes patient wise. But then I stand there and as

483
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Speaker 3: I'm getting older, I do look and I take that

484
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Speaker 3: breath and I go it's okay, Yeah, they're doing good.

485
00:24:52,801 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 3: I'm doing good, you know, And I think that you're

486
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Speaker 3: doing good. You're doing real good. To all those parents

487
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,881
Speaker 3: out there, just don't give up.

488
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yeah, you've got to hang in there, really

489
00:25:05,281 --> 00:25:08,321
Speaker 1: have got to hang in there, and it's worthwhile. The

490
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Speaker 1: rewards come, the reward for the effort to put in

491
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Speaker 1: and sometimes yeah, you don't need it, you don't want it,

492
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Speaker 1: but I know you've got to do it, and it comes.

493
00:25:18,761 --> 00:25:22,281
Speaker 1: The rewards come at the end. Another thing that's happened here, Brent,

494
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Speaker 1: and I think this is an important thing, and I've

495
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Speaker 1: seen it on your podcast and I feel it on

496
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,641
Speaker 1: my podcast sitting down speaking to people like there, I've

497
00:25:32,681 --> 00:25:35,241
Speaker 1: met so many people doing the podcast. I never really

498
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Speaker 1: thought i'd have something in common with, Like, yeah, you

499
00:25:38,201 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: and I. On paper, it should have been we should

500
00:25:39,921 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: have been punching on. That's the reality of it. But

501
00:25:45,321 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: sitting down, I understand where you're coming from, and I

502
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,001
Speaker 1: think you know but grudgingly you might understand where I'm

503
00:25:51,001 --> 00:25:55,001
Speaker 1: coming from. Yeah, there's some respect there. But the way

504
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Speaker 1: you've gone about your life, I know, I've got to

505
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Speaker 1: say full credit to you.

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Speaker 3: I've got a lot of faults, mate, and I try

507
00:26:02,481 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 3: to still work on them every day. You know, like,

508
00:26:04,481 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: I'm far from perfect, and if I can better myself

509
00:26:07,321 --> 00:26:10,241
Speaker 3: one percent better every day, then I know I'm doing

510
00:26:10,241 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: a good job. And trust me. These days I wake up,

511
00:26:12,521 --> 00:26:15,521
Speaker 3: look in the mirror and go, you're not winning today.

512
00:26:16,041 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: Now there's something, there's something here that's not allowing me

513
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:24,401
Speaker 3: to fill my heart with that joy. But I'm learning,

514
00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: learning to take that breath, learning to look at what

515
00:26:29,041 --> 00:26:33,201
Speaker 3: is good, weigh it up and think, Hey, I've been

516
00:26:33,201 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: in worse positions. Life has been a lot worse than this.

517
00:26:37,001 --> 00:26:40,641
Speaker 3: I've lost a lot, A lot's gone that I can

518
00:26:40,721 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: never ever bring back. Time you'll never get back. So

519
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,761
Speaker 3: be present. I may not fill one hundred percent today,

520
00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:51,801
Speaker 3: I've got to make the best of every opportunity and

521
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,561
Speaker 3: every situation right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you should be proud of yourself where

523
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Speaker 1: how you've turned your life around. Because if I look

524
00:27:00,561 --> 00:27:02,801
Speaker 1: the riding on the wall, it wasn't going to be

525
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Speaker 1: the end. It wasn't going to be pretty.

526
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Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, I was prepared to

527
00:27:08,281 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: have already been dead ten times over by that was

528
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,561
Speaker 3: where my life was heading. You know, there was nothing,

529
00:27:14,441 --> 00:27:17,481
Speaker 3: nothing good that was coming of my life. You know,

530
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,401
Speaker 3: the hurdles are still there, but I'm going over them,

531
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Speaker 3: and I'm going over them in strides that are very strong.

532
00:27:25,521 --> 00:27:27,961
Speaker 3: And I believe that you know I will come out

533
00:27:27,961 --> 00:27:30,921
Speaker 3: the other side and life will be will be good.

534
00:27:30,961 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 3: And if God allows me to continue to live and

535
00:27:34,441 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: live in a healthy manner and you know, watch my

536
00:27:37,041 --> 00:27:40,201
Speaker 3: children grow, then so be it. He's got other decisions,

537
00:27:40,201 --> 00:27:42,121
Speaker 3: then that's just the way I can.

538
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: I say another thing too, And I'm seeing the battles

539
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: you're going through physically with injuries and the way you

540
00:27:48,281 --> 00:27:51,281
Speaker 1: keep yourself fit. And we have talked about this, that

541
00:27:51,721 --> 00:27:55,281
Speaker 1: it keeps us sane. The mental training, you know, if

542
00:27:55,321 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: you're looking if yeah, we've got great wisdom, look at

543
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,001
Speaker 1: this to burn out xpikey x cop. But the importance

544
00:28:03,041 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: of physical training that keeps me sane. That honestly, no

545
00:28:06,201 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: matter what I'm going through, if I can get out

546
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:11,001
Speaker 1: and work up a sweat, do something that keeps me saying,

547
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:11,521
Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: It's a very important tool for the toolbox. Yeah, and

549
00:28:14,201 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 3: I feel that, you know, if you actually take that step,

550
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,601
Speaker 3: just create that hour. Everyone says I haven't got time. Bullshit,

551
00:28:20,681 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 3: I get up at four o'clock in the morning, you

552
00:28:22,481 --> 00:28:24,721
Speaker 3: know what I mean? So I make that time between

553
00:28:24,761 --> 00:28:26,801
Speaker 3: four and five is my time. Whatever I can get

554
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,721
Speaker 3: in that hour is a worthy hour, and I make

555
00:28:29,761 --> 00:28:31,321
Speaker 3: the best of it and it sets me up for

556
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,801
Speaker 3: the day. You know. I'm sure you've got tools in

557
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,961
Speaker 3: your box that are very relative as well.

558
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Speaker 1: I love those early morning starts. People say I'm not

559
00:28:40,321 --> 00:28:42,961
Speaker 1: a morning person. It is the best time. I feel

560
00:28:42,961 --> 00:28:44,881
Speaker 1: like I've got a head start on everyone else in

561
00:28:44,881 --> 00:28:46,281
Speaker 1: the mid I like to say, rise.

562
00:28:46,081 --> 00:28:46,561
Speaker 3: With the sun.

563
00:28:46,761 --> 00:28:49,481
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, get up there and get into it. And

564
00:28:49,601 --> 00:28:52,361
Speaker 1: you've already Yeah, it doesn't matter what happens for the

565
00:28:52,401 --> 00:28:55,121
Speaker 1: rest of the day because you've done some stuff for yourself,

566
00:28:55,201 --> 00:28:57,281
Speaker 1: done your training and ready to go.

567
00:28:58,161 --> 00:29:00,401
Speaker 3: Well, there you have it, guys, Gary jubilant, thank you

568
00:29:00,521 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: very much for the eye catch killers, Clink hot Cross.

569
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Speaker 1: Finally we got like catch killers.

570
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Speaker 3: I've given them the credit where the credits due. I

571
00:29:09,281 --> 00:29:12,041
Speaker 3: got you up here, I milked you in and look,

572
00:29:12,281 --> 00:29:14,041
Speaker 3: you know, I had to be done. I feel that

573
00:29:14,081 --> 00:29:15,801
Speaker 3: it needed to be done, and I'm glad we got

574
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Speaker 3: to break the ice.

575
00:29:16,841 --> 00:29:17,241
Speaker 1: Yeah.

576
00:29:17,441 --> 00:29:19,681
Speaker 3: I don't look at you as a cop or X

577
00:29:19,761 --> 00:29:22,641
Speaker 3: cop or anything. I look at you as you know,

578
00:29:23,121 --> 00:29:26,641
Speaker 3: another bloke doing his best. And you know, I really

579
00:29:26,721 --> 00:29:30,121
Speaker 3: have to say to have experienced and gone through some

580
00:29:30,241 --> 00:29:32,401
Speaker 3: of the things that you've done, and the great things

581
00:29:32,401 --> 00:29:35,761
Speaker 3: that you've achieved to help people, you know, especially in

582
00:29:35,761 --> 00:29:39,641
Speaker 3: the space of young young children and stuff like that

583
00:29:39,641 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: that I couldn't personally do. I don't think many of

584
00:29:42,521 --> 00:29:49,641
Speaker 3: us could. So from from a real human point of view, Yeah,

585
00:29:49,761 --> 00:29:52,881
Speaker 3: I just want to say you can. Really, I think

586
00:29:52,921 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: have been an asset to helping helping others through your

587
00:29:56,721 --> 00:30:01,441
Speaker 3: actions the earlier spaces in you.

588
00:30:02,881 --> 00:30:06,961
Speaker 1: Okay, fund yourself. I knew if I had to get

589
00:30:07,001 --> 00:30:08,761
Speaker 1: it in at the end makers.

590
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Speaker 3: All jakesus side, you could have been one of those

591
00:30:12,681 --> 00:30:16,281
Speaker 3: pricks at Bashi, but thankfully you weren't. But which stage,

592
00:30:17,241 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: But no, all Jokesu's side. To do the job that

593
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Speaker 3: you did, especially in the back end of your career,

594
00:30:22,161 --> 00:30:26,561
Speaker 3: it's you're a one percent of being able to successfully

595
00:30:26,561 --> 00:30:29,801
Speaker 3: do that job and not. And well, I don't say

596
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Speaker 3: not because I'm sure that it has had it.

597
00:30:31,441 --> 00:30:36,001
Speaker 1: Look for you saying that it's humbling and I need

598
00:30:36,041 --> 00:30:37,761
Speaker 1: to just put out there too. There's a lot of

599
00:30:37,761 --> 00:30:39,161
Speaker 1: people that put in a lot of a lot of

600
00:30:39,201 --> 00:30:41,441
Speaker 1: hard work, and not just in the Cops. I've said

601
00:30:41,441 --> 00:30:43,481
Speaker 1: it since I've left the Cops. People are doing some

602
00:30:43,681 --> 00:30:47,401
Speaker 1: shit loader heavy lifting that don't get the recognition because

603
00:30:47,441 --> 00:30:48,921
Speaker 1: of the nature of my work. I was getting a

604
00:30:48,961 --> 00:30:52,481
Speaker 1: lot of recognition. But I appreciate, appreciate what you're saying.

605
00:30:52,521 --> 00:30:56,081
Speaker 1: But yeah, as you say, you're not perfect, I mean

606
00:30:56,121 --> 00:30:58,321
Speaker 1: it's perfect. I'm a cluster fucking a lot of things

607
00:30:58,321 --> 00:31:00,601
Speaker 1: in my life. I just happened to be able to

608
00:31:00,641 --> 00:31:04,881
Speaker 1: do some aspects of policing very well. But I've in

609
00:31:05,161 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed coming on. I haven't worked out what the

610
00:31:07,281 --> 00:31:09,161
Speaker 1: revenge is, how I'm going to get you down the Sydney,

611
00:31:09,161 --> 00:31:12,001
Speaker 1: but we'll work it out. Might line up, I could

612
00:31:12,081 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: set up the boxing ring, charity boxing. Okay, oh what

613
00:31:18,601 --> 00:31:21,801
Speaker 1: we're doing? What's the agreed way?

614
00:31:22,201 --> 00:31:23,801
Speaker 3: I ain't dropping another twenty kilos.

615
00:31:23,841 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: That's all I know.

616
00:31:24,801 --> 00:31:28,161
Speaker 3: And on that note, thank you very much, Gary Jubulant,

617
00:31:28,601 --> 00:31:31,521
Speaker 3: and to everybody out there, I hope you've enjoyed these

618
00:31:31,561 --> 00:31:34,641
Speaker 3: couple of episodes. It is something that I really feel

619
00:31:34,721 --> 00:31:36,641
Speaker 3: does have a lot of value. And for everybody out

620
00:31:36,681 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: there that's stilling your best, just continue to be the

621
00:31:39,001 --> 00:31:41,681
Speaker 3: best you can be and know that that love from

622
00:31:41,721 --> 00:31:45,041
Speaker 3: your children is an unconditional love and never question it.

623
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Speaker 1: All right, you tried to steal the ending. Also, i'd

624
00:31:48,001 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: like to say from my catch Killers not just the Clink.

625
00:31:51,161 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the chat too. So whichever platform you're listening

626
00:31:54,241 --> 00:31:58,081
Speaker 1: to the My catch Killers Slash Clink or Clink Slash

627
00:31:58,161 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: My Catch Killers podcast, I hope you enjoy it.

628
00:32:00,481 --> 00:32:04,401
Speaker 2: Like women record, don't try and make you uncomfortable for

629
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Speaker 2: the record.

630
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Speaker 1: You ain't trying to grow down stuff for.

631
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Speaker 2: You for the record, live on me, going all the

632
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Speaker 2: way for the record. Ain't trying to link, No, trying

633
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Speaker 2: to waste for the record, for the record, for the

634
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Speaker 2: for the record, for the record, for the record, for

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Speaker 2: the record.

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