WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 22 January

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Jerry, Welcome to the man Cave. On a

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<v Speaker 2>night where it's no silks, no left He's the carry out.

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<v Speaker 2>A cham Bromwin Bishop is here Kristin Abram from Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>as well, with a libertarian perspective. But we know how

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<v Speaker 2>much you love the former Speaker of the House. The

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<v Speaker 2>worst poll yet of twenty twenty five for Anthony Arbernezi.

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<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't matter how much money or how many

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<v Speaker 2>self is.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in the world of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton way up as preferred Prime Minister in that

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<v Speaker 2>one and the video that is sending the Internet a blaze.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing no clips, no edits full celebration.

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<v Speaker 2>And speaking of the final things to say about an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible past couple of days in the United States is

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<v Speaker 2>you may all have noticed quite a few people in

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<v Speaker 2>the flatter about the Amazon boss, his fiance, Jeff Bezos's fiance,

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<v Speaker 2>and what she decided to wear to the inauguration. Some

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<v Speaker 2>say incredibly modern, some say a little too low cut.

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<v Speaker 1>What does Meghan Kelly say?

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<v Speaker 3>This is not my first time saying she dresses like

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<v Speaker 3>a hooker, because she does have some dignity and some

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<v Speaker 3>respect for your setting. In your circumstances, no one should

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<v Speaker 3>be talking about your tits.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that lady.

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<v Speaker 2>As for Mark Zuckerberg, his opinion currently under review.

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<v Speaker 1>Meghan's on the show tomorrow night. I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>have her. That's why we love her, love her very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Now still in Washington before we move back to Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>And believe me, this poll in and around Elbow, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not one that he's going to be excited about, nor

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<v Speaker 2>many of his supporters. Those of us who want to

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<v Speaker 2>see the back of him, You'll be happy in a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of seconds time. The Foreign Minister, Penny Wong was

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<v Speaker 2>the representative of Australia along with Karen, the current ambassador,

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<v Speaker 2>but the focus wasn't on him. Instead it was on

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<v Speaker 2>her and some of the people that have gone a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit overboard that any critic of the way that

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<v Speaker 2>the government that has previously bagged him personally is now

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<v Speaker 2>right back in the front seat. Have a look at

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<v Speaker 2>this for some sickening stuff. Sydney Morning Herald Pennywong's golden

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<v Speaker 2>ticket will he wonke style? She's got a golden tier kit.

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<v Speaker 2>She's got a golden tierket.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, of course they even had the photo showing that

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<v Speaker 2>there she was a couple of rows from the Frondais

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<v Speaker 2>circle that even sec there's nothing wrong, and no one's

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<v Speaker 2>ever said that there was going to be something massively wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It just was pretty obviously the team that has said

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<v Speaker 2>bad things about him publicly is not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>as tight as the people who've said nice things about

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<v Speaker 2>him publicly.

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<v Speaker 1>But have a listen to how they spin the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Pennywong and Donald Trump, the cerebral, cautious champion of labors

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<v Speaker 2>left and the brash real estate tycoon turned Republican hero

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise known as President. But anyway, at Hardley it hardly

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a match made in political heaven. Yet there

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<v Speaker 2>was Australian's foreign minister in prime position at Trump's inauguration

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<v Speaker 2>in the Capitol rotunda, seated next to his elder sister.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes on Wong was one of only a handful

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<v Speaker 2>of foreign dignitaries in the actual room, receiving the volunteer

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<v Speaker 2>cat to the event. Despite the crowd size being dramatically

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<v Speaker 2>cut back when the inauguration was moved indoors because of

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<v Speaker 2>the freezing temperatures. Countries with far bigger populations and economies.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Australia, such as.

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<v Speaker 2>France or Germany, they didn't make the cut. The vast

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<v Speaker 2>majority of countries would have been desperate to trade places

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<v Speaker 2>with Australia as they navigate the choppy waters caused by

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's remarkable return to the pinnacle of global politics. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and at all Penny Wong, she was able to work

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<v Speaker 2>out exactly where to sit and all the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there was a meeting today between the brand

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<v Speaker 2>new Secretary of State and Australia's Foreign minister, and the

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<v Speaker 2>media again saw this as an absolute q and a

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<v Speaker 2>coup of the kind they.

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<v Speaker 1>Like as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Penny Wong one of the first foreign ministers to meet

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<v Speaker 2>new Secretary of State Marco Rubio, not.

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<v Speaker 3>Even twenty four hours into the new presidency, and the

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<v Speaker 3>White House had an Australian guest Foreign Minister.

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<v Speaker 5>Penny Wong US Secretary of State Marco Rubio is side

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<v Speaker 5>by side with Australia's Foreign minister.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, great, but calmed down.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason Australia had the prominent position, and it was Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>not the person who was sitting in the seat on

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<v Speaker 2>the behalf of Australia was all to do of course,

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<v Speaker 2>with the COAD. This is the relationship between Australia and India, Japan,

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<v Speaker 2>South Korea to have an understanding and to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to share intel and information, principally about pushing back on China. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that whoever was representing the Quad got the

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<v Speaker 2>great seats on the behalf of the Quad.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it has to do with.

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<v Speaker 2>This that we are part of that relationship again with

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<v Speaker 2>those other countries.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of.

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<v Speaker 2>Those ministers met today with Marco Rubio, India, Japan, Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. I apologize, South Korea not part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the four countries. They all met with the

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<v Speaker 2>brand new Secretary of State. And I'll tell you the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why the Quad gets the billing that it does

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of foreign policy and Donald Trump specifically, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry I issue a trigger warning you are about

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<v Speaker 2>to see a ghost, a ghost of Prime Minister's past,

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<v Speaker 2>because you see, the Quad was revived by Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen and in the same way as you've

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<v Speaker 2>used the Abraham Accords as the key to Middle East peace,

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<v Speaker 2>ones he put in place. He views the quad and Australia, Japan,

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<v Speaker 2>the United States and India working together in that quad.

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<v Speaker 2>He sees that as the way of trying to battle China.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, okay, great, here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>No one thinks that Australia was going to get such

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<v Speaker 2>a cold shoulder that he just would withdraw the troops

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<v Speaker 2>from Darwin, get rid of the submarines from Perth and

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<v Speaker 2>Pine Gap. Well, that could be turned into some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of glamping establishment. The point was, and the point that

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who has been critical of the things that have

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<v Speaker 2>been said in the past, is that the people have

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<v Speaker 2>had to do a pretty obvious about turn. But each way,

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<v Speaker 2>Albo is the way that, of course our Prime minister

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<v Speaker 2>chooses to be no doubt. Eventually, once ambassadors talk to ambassadors,

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<v Speaker 2>and ministers talk to ministers, eventually leaders talk to leaders.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point there will be some sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>warmer embrace. And whether that's under Anthony Arbernezi, Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 2>or whenever and whoever is the Prime minister when in

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<v Speaker 2>the next four years there is an opportunity to meet. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>first it'll be face to face in all those group

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<v Speaker 2>meetings like the g seven, or the G twenty, or

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<v Speaker 2>the Quad meetings, or the asiat and meetings, or all

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<v Speaker 2>the other reasons why Airbus Albo has to leave the

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<v Speaker 2>country every five minutes. Australia will be warmly welcomed. But

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<v Speaker 2>the point is that if they didn't say the things

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<v Speaker 2>they had said in the past, then there would be

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<v Speaker 2>no water that needed to go under the bridge for

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<v Speaker 2>a better relationship, a real and enthusiastic relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me compare the.

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<v Speaker 2>Pair, as those Union superads like to say, former Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Scott Morrison was with Donald Trump, in fact invited

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<v Speaker 2>to his house on New Year's Eve. He does not

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<v Speaker 2>have an official position anywhere representing Australia anymore, but of

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<v Speaker 2>course he was one of only very small bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>countries who were recognized with the State Dinner. Le Australia

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<v Speaker 2>gets this honor again in the next four years. But

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<v Speaker 2>you see, when you're invited over to somebody's house, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit different than when.

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<v Speaker 1>You are.

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<v Speaker 2>Chasing them around a golf course and yelling at their

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<v Speaker 2>golf cart and.

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<v Speaker 1>Not riding with them.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, Kevin Rudd has been desperate to say that

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<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that the former Prime Minister is invited

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<v Speaker 2>over for New Year's Eve. He's the one who's got

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<v Speaker 2>all the connections in the world, and even the ABC

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<v Speaker 2>writing the most sympathetic version couldn't really cover up for

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between the two former Prime ministers. The ABC

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<v Speaker 2>has learned that mister Rudd briefly met with Trump at

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump International Golf Course in West Palm Beach, Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>near his house in Mary Lago. You mean the one

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<v Speaker 2>that Scomo was invited over to on Year's Eve. Rudd

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<v Speaker 2>reportedly conveyed the good wishes of the Prime Minister and

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<v Speaker 2>told Trump and the Foreign Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>That he we're looking forward to the inauguration. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we have a video of just how long

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<v Speaker 1>that meeting took place. I planned to go to law school.

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<v Speaker 6>After I graduated, but it looks like my folks won't

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<v Speaker 6>have enough money.

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<v Speaker 7>It's put me through college.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the world is Stitchtiggers too.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, Tray, you have no idea how excited I am

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<v Speaker 2>after just pointing that out about Kevin Rudd. I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to play perhaps my top three favorite films of

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<v Speaker 2>all time. We found a way to get it in there.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyone who knows the film. You get the point.

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<v Speaker 2>One is invited over for New Year's Eve, the other

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to pretend, oh, it's closer than ever, despite

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he's again running after him in the

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<v Speaker 2>car park. So let's get too A poll has just dropped.

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<v Speaker 2>It is just dropped via the nine network on television

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<v Speaker 2>and its assets in the newspapers, and it is the

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<v Speaker 2>worst start to the election year than Anthony Alberize could

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<v Speaker 2>possibly have. Because let's have a look at some of

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<v Speaker 2>these numbers here. If we can bring him up on

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<v Speaker 2>the screen, where the preferred Prime Minister, which was dead

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<v Speaker 2>level at thirty five, is now thirty nine, thirty four,

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<v Speaker 2>Albow goes backwards, Dutton surges forward, and once you start

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<v Speaker 2>to cut this up state by state, it gets really

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<v Speaker 2>bad for the prime minister. The most number of people

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<v Speaker 2>in the country, well they live in of course New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales and Victoria. But what is the findings here, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>again as the preferred prime minister, the numbers here in

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales pretty significant. Now, that was the Freshwater

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<v Speaker 2>pole from a couple of days ago. If we can

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<v Speaker 2>focus in on the pole that is there today, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>see that in New South Wales in particular, there is

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<v Speaker 2>a huge leap forward for Peter Dutton. The same in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 2>where things are ever so slightly better for the there

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<v Speaker 2>we go for the prime minister. But still Dutton is

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<v Speaker 2>the preferred prime minister in New South Wales, in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 2>in Queensland, if we can there we go. Have a

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<v Speaker 2>look at that ten point lead. The East Coast preferred

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<v Speaker 2>prime minister where the majority of the population is, the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of the seats are, that is no longer the

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<v Speaker 2>current prime minister for the rest of the country, So

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<v Speaker 2>say South Australia, Tasmania, Northern Territory, Western Australia. Yes, Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Umbernezi doing better. But the way these poles work is

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<v Speaker 2>that they would ask fewer people from Tasmania or West

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<v Speaker 2>Australia or South Australia because of the populations compared to

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<v Speaker 2>the populations of Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland. So

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<v Speaker 2>the prime minister level pegging at the end of last

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<v Speaker 2>year thought that was as bad as was going to get.

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<v Speaker 2>He has now lost his position as preferred prime minister

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<v Speaker 2>in a poll which was released in newspapers that at

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<v Speaker 2>the start of his prime ministership were already talking about

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<v Speaker 2>a second term based off his polling. Let's have a

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<v Speaker 2>look at the primary vote. This was the election result

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty and twenty two, where as you can see,

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<v Speaker 2>the government was at thirty three percent, the LYMPT thirty six, Greens,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve and five apiece for the Independence and one nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Three years on, have a look at this, the Labour

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<v Speaker 2>Party's lost five points. Where have they gone. They've gone

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<v Speaker 2>to the Coalition, They've gone ever so slightly to the Greens,

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<v Speaker 2>they have absolutely gone to the Independence. A trend that

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<v Speaker 2>we have shown you over and over again, and remember

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday Nights is when we get right into the reeds,

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<v Speaker 2>when we get right into the detail in and around

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<v Speaker 2>election data with state of the race. That's when we

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<v Speaker 2>get some polling people with all of their insight and

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<v Speaker 2>data and information, and the great Michael Kroger to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about his perspectives and tactics. What do they think of this?

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<v Speaker 2>A five point drop? A five point drop. As for

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime minister's personal performance, fifty five percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>country say the Prime Minister is performing poorly or very poorly. Repeat,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five percent of the country thinks the bloke is

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<v Speaker 2>in the wrong place. He's now losing it nationally as

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<v Speaker 2>preferred prime minister. He's losing it in New South Wales,

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<v Speaker 2>in Victoria and in Queensland. He's going to hope that

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<v Speaker 2>Western Australia were holding up, and that of course will

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<v Speaker 2>mean a very long election night whenever it happens to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And whether that is the difference between minority or majority,

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<v Speaker 2>or who forms minority, it means strap in Western Australia

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to matter more than ever before at a

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<v Speaker 2>federal election. We'll be doing plenty about this between now

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<v Speaker 2>and then. So the Prime Minister is in a world

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<v Speaker 2>of pain. But then you have a look at the

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<v Speaker 2>comments that some people have been making in this pole

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<v Speaker 2>and they're going to be bone chilling too. These are

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<v Speaker 2>the people who told the polster why they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to vote the way that they did, or why they

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<v Speaker 2>had the view that they did. Labor is going down

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<v Speaker 2>a path I disagree with Abbou is showing few leadership qualities.

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<v Speaker 2>The PMS given six hundred million dollars to a footy

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<v Speaker 2>team in Papua New Guinea.

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<v Speaker 1>We could to build homes with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Cost of living has been so destructive for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people and the government are doing nothing. Crime rates

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<v Speaker 2>are horrendous, the justice system is in crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>And on and on and on it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, as I've got into great detail with you, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that is being laid out in the

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<v Speaker 2>early days of twenty and I get it anyone with

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<v Speaker 2>school kids, they're still on holidays. They'll be up the coast,

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<v Speaker 2>down the coast, wherever it happens to be. And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of Australia will start to reconnect with the

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<v Speaker 2>real world over the next couple of weeks. But what

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<v Speaker 2>we have seen since we've been back on the air,

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<v Speaker 2>but obviously since the start of the year, is that

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<v Speaker 2>there have been two ways of performing. One has been

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton going around the country giving a series of

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<v Speaker 2>speeches about his values and the Prime Minister going well

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<v Speaker 2>door to door trying to frankly offer money for people

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<v Speaker 2>to even think about voting for his government. And we've

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<v Speaker 2>also seen a great difference between the two when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to leadership. Leadership around an issue that is increasingly

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<v Speaker 2>important to Australians and that is the safety on their

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<v Speaker 2>streets because of conflicts on the other side of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>People feeling empowered because the hate preacher seems to have

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<v Speaker 2>more power than federal government ministers, who should have never

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<v Speaker 2>given those people a visa, let alone wait a week

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<v Speaker 2>or so before booting them out. We know what's been

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<v Speaker 2>going on in our country and we know that it

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<v Speaker 2>was twenty twenty three when Peter Dutton said it was

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<v Speaker 2>time for a national Cabinet meeting about what was playing

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<v Speaker 2>out across the country, about the obvious antisemitism and the

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<v Speaker 2>obvious threat that was existing to not just that population,

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<v Speaker 2>but the people who may well live next door to

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<v Speaker 2>the house, or next door to the childcare center, or

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<v Speaker 2>next to order the synagogue, take you pick, that have

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<v Speaker 2>all of course been targeted. So National Cabinet it meets.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night we had the breaking Yews and what the

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<v Speaker 2>result of it was, which was nothing nothing in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>just two lights of the entire thing referenced anything that

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<v Speaker 2>was new, and what was new it was to establish

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<v Speaker 2>a database to track anti Semitic crime. This was a

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<v Speaker 2>meeting that went for hours. Appropriately Peter Dutton has given

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<v Speaker 2>it to him right between the eyes, because a meeting

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<v Speaker 2>of those people after that long, with all that power,

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<v Speaker 2>and they came.

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<v Speaker 1>Up with a scoreboard.

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<v Speaker 7>Ministers had fifteen months really to try and address this issue.

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<v Speaker 7>The trouble is he's been walking both sides of the street.

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<v Speaker 7>The Prime Minister had an opportunity to call a National

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<v Speaker 7>cabinet very early on, he chose not to do that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yesterday he convenes a National Cabinet meeting after saying that

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<v Speaker 7>one wasn't necessary just twenty four hours before that, and

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<v Speaker 7>there was nothing substantive that was delivered out of that

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<v Speaker 7>National Cabinet meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, just to prove how their little this announcement was.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister popping up again today didn't talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the single thing, the single thing that was new, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was that national database. Instead, this was the question

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<v Speaker 2>that he was getting from reporters.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, do a lot of criticism that you've been slow

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<v Speaker 6>to act on these anti Semitic attacks. It is coming

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<v Speaker 6>mostly from the opposition. Were you wrong to be so

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<v Speaker 6>reluctant to hold the National Cabinet pet it up and

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<v Speaker 6>said you should have seen that these attacks that have

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<v Speaker 6>been ramping up this way would happen.

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<v Speaker 7>Have you been that's on us?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Remember first call twenty twenty three, he does it at

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<v Speaker 2>the start of twenty twenty five and all that comes

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<v Speaker 2>out of it is two lines, two lines and a

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<v Speaker 2>scoreboard for a national database, so we can keep an

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<v Speaker 2>eye and we know exactly how many things are taking place, when,

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<v Speaker 2>of course you can see it with your own eyes

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<v Speaker 2>each and every day, you can read it in the news.

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<v Speaker 2>You could get out a pen and paper if you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to, and you could write them all down and

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<v Speaker 2>then you would have as much information as National Cabinet

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<v Speaker 2>promised yesterday when it comes to action. So did the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister speak about the importance of the announcement yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>of keeping.

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<v Speaker 1>Score Well, of course not. It's just a way to pretend.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton's the problem, not at all. We're back to

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<v Speaker 1>it from day one. And I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 4>What is of some concern is people who seek political

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<v Speaker 4>advantage from what is a traumatic circumstance. And I've worked

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<v Speaker 4>with all of the communities. Peter Dutton, for someone who

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<v Speaker 4>is responsible for some national security issues as Minister for

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<v Speaker 4>Home Affairs, should know better.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty three, that being, Peter Dutton says, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a solution here, not to stop the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but to make sure that everyone around the country, all

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<v Speaker 2>the premiers, all the Chief Ministers and the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>can all be in the same spot and then they.

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<v Speaker 1>Can meet again, and they can meet again.

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<v Speaker 2>And we all know that when it was the wurflu,

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<v Speaker 2>they're meeting every five minutes. Of course, the Labour people

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't go on and do what was agreed in those

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<v Speaker 2>because there was a federal election to be one, and

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<v Speaker 2>we know that there's also a federal election to be one.

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<v Speaker 2>But when the numbers are the way they are, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>in New South Wales, the Prime Minister's attempts to have

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<v Speaker 2>it each way like he always does are failing. He

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<v Speaker 2>is not going to be able to put it back

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<v Speaker 2>in the horse or the genie back in the bottle,

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<v Speaker 2>if you prefer to be more polite, and he is

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<v Speaker 2>being outshone by plenty of other people in the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 2>including of course the News Sobail's premier. As I commented yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister of Australia was reduced to looking like

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<v Speaker 2>a nodding backbencher trying to hold in a yawn. There

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, but that's what he was reduced to,

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<v Speaker 2>not the bloke who was in charge, but the bloke

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<v Speaker 2>who was standing behind the guy who was in charge.

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<v Speaker 8>We will leave no stone unturned in combating rampant antisemitism

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<v Speaker 8>and violence in our community.

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<v Speaker 1>It will never be tolerated.

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<v Speaker 7>If you are responsible for these criminal activities, you can

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<v Speaker 7>expect police to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be visiting you soon.

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<v Speaker 7>This is not the end of these arrests.

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<v Speaker 1>Operation Pearl is just getting started.

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<v Speaker 2>All I was going to say was that he built

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<v Speaker 2>upon that today and that's what you just saw. There

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<v Speaker 2>is also something that I want to deal with here,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is something that Chris Means is openly talking

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<v Speaker 2>about as one of the bricks that he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>put in the wall to deal with this problem. And

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<v Speaker 2>it would require news of OL's Parliament to meet and

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<v Speaker 2>pass a new law past laws trying to specifically go

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<v Speaker 2>after what would be defined and as hate speech. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty obviously we know that the graffiti that says if

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<v Speaker 2>the is pretty obviously hateful as it would be if

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<v Speaker 2>it was about gay people, people of any race or religion,

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<v Speaker 2>disabled people. We get what that is about. But the

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<v Speaker 2>hard thing about these laws is that how you put

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<v Speaker 2>them together can always have unintended consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that's why the.

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<v Speaker 2>Laws were debated but were pulled back on ultimately last year,

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<v Speaker 2>as the Premier told Charry last night that he will

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<v Speaker 2>push on and he in fact had a regret that

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't put the laws into place last year. He

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<v Speaker 2>believes that the hateful language it leads to the hateful events,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why he needs to introduce the laws. But

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<v Speaker 2>the same people who had some objections to the laws,

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<v Speaker 2>who are not, by the way, trying to find permission

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<v Speaker 2>for people to spray if the on walls, they're just

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<v Speaker 2>talking about those unintended consequences where they're starting to have

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<v Speaker 2>opinions around all of this, including some concerns that the

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<v Speaker 2>Premiere may be moving in a direction that is contrary

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<v Speaker 2>to the advice that he is receiving, the advice that

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<v Speaker 2>he is receiving, not just internally or politically, not just

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<v Speaker 2>from free speech advocates, but of course in and around

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<v Speaker 2>legal advice as well. Now the issue here about hate laws,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to be very careful here because it could

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<v Speaker 2>be very easily misinterpreted about what I'm going to say.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course the laws will not just be for

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<v Speaker 2>one group. Put in simple terms, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be for the group that you specifically want the most

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<v Speaker 2>amount of protection for. The inevitability will be that it

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<v Speaker 2>will be all forms of religion, all forms of gender,

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<v Speaker 2>all forms of sexuality, forms of ability or disability. And

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<v Speaker 2>the concern that I have about these laws, as well

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<v Speaker 2>intended as they are, and we have to watch the

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<v Speaker 2>process be put together and then look at the actual language,

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<v Speaker 2>is that I don't want to have a scenario where

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<v Speaker 2>the courts will be in a position to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to declare that you have committed a hate crime because

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<v Speaker 2>you are critical of the actions of a person who

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<v Speaker 2>is a certain race, has a sexuality, a certain sexuality,

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<v Speaker 2>is able bodied or disabled. You see, we've seen with

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<v Speaker 2>say human rights legislation, that there are plenty of people

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<v Speaker 2>who want to go off and want to in the

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<v Speaker 2>hope of trying to stamp out racism or discrimination. They

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<v Speaker 2>end up setting a very very low bar for what

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<v Speaker 2>is able to be claimed, and then a very very

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<v Speaker 2>very high threshold for the potential penalties under these things.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, forgive me if I don't have incredible faith

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<v Speaker 2>in the courts to be able to exercise a level

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<v Speaker 2>of common sense here, because for obvious reasons, to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that the person who writes f the Jews on

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<v Speaker 2>a car on a wall that that person goes to

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<v Speaker 2>JAR for a significant period of time, they'll be pretty high.

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<v Speaker 2>Maximum penalties there, of course won't be mandatory minimums, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good thing because you don't want somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>is on this level of offending to end up in

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<v Speaker 2>JARL for as long as the person who's on this

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<v Speaker 2>level of offending. I might be making my point as

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<v Speaker 2>clearly as I want to hear, but I want to

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<v Speaker 2>make it crystal clear that we all want people to

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<v Speaker 2>live in a safe and harmonious society.

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<v Speaker 1>We want every lever government.

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<v Speaker 2>Has to keep us safe. But we also don't want

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<v Speaker 2>a handbreak on free speech. And I am not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the freedom to discriminate, the freedom to be hateful,

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<v Speaker 2>but someone being able to use what is intended for

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<v Speaker 2>this purpose to be weaponized to be used for this purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the issue that must be discussed. Again, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you understand the full breadth of what I am trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say here. But again, remember we have a court

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<v Speaker 2>system which has multiple times looked the other way on

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<v Speaker 2>things where governments and you would imagine the public want

0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:46.639
<v Speaker 2>people to be actually held account like people who have

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<v Speaker 2>closed the Sydney Harbor Bridge they did so, but because

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<v Speaker 2>it was in the name of climate change and the

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<v Speaker 2>trauma that they had in around the floods and fires. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>of course out of jail. The same with Queensland and

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:04.479
<v Speaker 2>their scenario when it came to protest laws. This happens

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<v Speaker 2>over and over and over again. So I am all

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<v Speaker 2>up for the greatest protections possible to keep people safe.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not want a system that is so broad

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<v Speaker 2>that it can be weaponized by someone else. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the final point on all of this, which is perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>the most dangerous thing I could possibly say right now

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 2>around all of this. It is already illegal to assault someone,

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 2>yet people do it. It is already illegal to destroy property,

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 2>but people do it. All the laws in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>if well balanced, give us the best possible protection of

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<v Speaker 2>holding someone accountable for their actions and hopefully a.

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Deterrent from doing those things.

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<v Speaker 2>But any politician anywhere who is going to promise that

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<v Speaker 2>they are going to guarantee a crime free result because

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 2>they've introduced a new law is not telling you the truth. Thankfully,

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Chris Bans is acknowledging that there will always be people

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 2>who break the law, and sadly that will be the

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 2>case when it comes to this stuff, as it is

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:17.479
<v Speaker 2>with everything else. But watch this space. We can all

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 2>have good intentions, we can all want to take care

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 2>of each other, but how we do it is going

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:26.639
<v Speaker 2>to matter. I hope you understand. I look forward to

0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 2>your view on this and many other things. Email Pauliczguyews

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 2>dot com dot au. Now, of course, in the real world,

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>that being the one that you and I live in,

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 2>we are trying to buy things, and we're able to

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 2>buy things because we have a job to do those things,

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 2>and we do our best to help out small business.

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 2>We are not relied upon the government to be able

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 2>to give us the capacity to buy the things that

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:56.400
<v Speaker 2>we want and take care of the businesses that are around. However,

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 2>the government and the government sector that taxpayer, is now

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 2>hiring more people than ever before. And yes, these are

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.679
<v Speaker 2>real jobs, particularly when it comes to nurses and police,

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 2>but it's not all real jobs when it comes to

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the overarching wide view of government when it comes to

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 2>things like the public service. In fact, more than four

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.639
<v Speaker 2>out of five jobs in the past two years have

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:24.439
<v Speaker 2>been filled in the public service, so more people are

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>being hired into the public service than working in the

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 2>private sector.

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<v Speaker 1>At the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, yes, it is state based as well about health

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.120
<v Speaker 2>and education, and economists are saying that in the same way,

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 2>they have to pull in their spending in lots of

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>other areas, adding more people for permanent wages that adds

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.199
<v Speaker 2>to spending. In fact, Shane Oliver from the AMP he

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 2>talks about the effect that this may have on, say

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the Reserve Bank, its decisions around interest rates, meaning how

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 2>much it costs for us to pay.

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Off our houses.

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 2>He says that sectors such as healthcare are important, but

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 2>had probably focused too much on boosting employment over dampening inflation.

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.880
<v Speaker 2>The government helped to avoid a recession, but it arguably

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>made inflation worse. It'll be challenging in an election year,

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 2>but the government probably needs to cut spending in some

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 2>areas to make up for the spending that they have

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 2>in others. One more time to the United States. Because

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 2>of all of the different videos and all of the

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>things that we had to have a look at, there's

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.119
<v Speaker 2>plenty that I need to quickly tick off before we

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:34.479
<v Speaker 2>move on to no sook snow lefties. Now you know

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 2>about how many illegal immigrants have made their way across

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>the southern border under the former regime of Joe Biden

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 2>and Kamala Harris. I say regime because I want to

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>piss a few people off on the internet. But yes,

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 2>of course, the legitimate and legal presidency of Joe Biden

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 2>and his vice president Mala Harris. Now these people were

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 2>just in southern states. Instead, governors and places like Florida

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 2>and Texas decided to say, bugger this, We're going to

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:02.239
<v Speaker 2>send some of you people to blue cities, which are

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>sanctuary cities that are fined to be sanctuary cities because

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 2>they actually don't have to deal with it like New York,

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 2>and you can see the overflow. And the New York

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Mayor Eric Adams had to deal with this problem, and

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 2>when it became New York's problem, it was one he

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 2>was willing to bring up with the president.

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<v Speaker 9>The President came here to New York City, the governor

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 9>and I sat down went with the President and I said,

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 9>mister President, I'm not sure what they're telling you about

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 9>this problem, but this is a terrible problem that's planned

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 9>out on the ground that we need to fix our

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 9>border and we need to just stop allowing people to

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 9>come into the country with no destinied.

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 2>The response of the President and the people who worked

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 2>for the president, the people who thought the lefty Jedi

0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 2>mind trick, it's not.

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Really a problem.

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, somehow this would apply when you are talking to

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 2>the mayor of one of the bluest cities in the

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 2>country that is telling you fix the border.

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Basically, a good democrat, Eric, be a good Democrat. That

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>was the basic overall theme. You know.

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 9>One of his a's told me that listen, this is

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 9>like a goldstrong it a.

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Pass unbelievable, truly unbelievable.

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that of all of.

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 2>The things that we looked at and talked about about

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the Trump inauguration that I didn't like devote the entire

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 2>hour of last night's program to one thing that happened

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>at one of the inaugural balls.

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>This could be.

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 2>The most amazing and awesome thing I've seen all year.

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 10>Enjoy with the sword left his hands.

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 2>And yes, that was a new air Force, one that

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 2>was in fact ordered and designed by Trump. Biden never

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 2>got the flowing at Trump will. Trump gave a massive

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.719
<v Speaker 2>press conference today where the media started to find their

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>way to have a crack. He decided to say buggarov

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 2>and push them back. There's been understandable controversy in around

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 2>the January sixth pardons, particularly the people who had committed violence,

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Like any wonder of a common sense view on that,

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>which is, people who committed that violent should have stayed

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>in jail. Other people, well, that's a decision that's been made.

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>By the president.

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 2>But in the same way I admired Donald Trump for

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>having the balls the stones to speak truth to power

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 2>in front of Biden and his failures yesterday, I've got

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 2>to say I admire the same about a pastor who

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 2>decided to deliver a very negative message directly to Donald

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Trump today at a church service. Now you may disagree

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 2>with this, but in a country that truly believes in

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 2>free speech, you can say this to a president and

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>nothing happens.

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 11>There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in democratic, Republican

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 11>and independent families. And the people, the people who pick

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 11>our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 11>poultry farms and meatpacking plants, who wash the dishes after

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 11>we eat in restaurants, and work the night shifts in hospitals.

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 11>They may not be citizens or have the proper documentation,

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 11>but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Trump understandably didn't like it, but he also didn't take

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the bait and start some fight with a person in

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 2>the clergy and said he thought that they could have

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 2>done better with their choice. But a clearly better choice

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 2>for Donald Trump and certainly for ater timement value was

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>the pasta from Detroit.

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Who was there when he was being sworn in. This

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>bloke is a star.

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 5>So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops up New Hampshire.

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 5>Let freedom ring, or from the mighty mountains of New York.

0:32:55.320 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 5>Let freedom ring from the heightening aleghaties of Pennsylvania.

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>That freedom ring from.

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 5>Every state, every city, every village, and every hamlets.

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>In fact, Trump actually said you're a star while hugging

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>him after it. All right, no sooks, no lefties, Let's

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 2>get into it, Bromin, Bishop, straight after the break, send

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>me em my, Paulskynews dot com dot AU, big discussion,

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>big debate, big night ahead. I'm glad you, no sooks,

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 2>no lefties, tonight, joining me as always in the man cave,

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 2>the carryover champ. How do your favorite none of them,

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the wonderful Bromwin Bishop, how are your rockstar terrific?

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Thank you?

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Very much, Love you to see you. A rock star

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>in the making, and equally one of our favorites, none

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 2>other than the wonderful Christenaden, of course, say passionate libertarian

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 2>joining us for the first time this year.

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Love you to see you mate.

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully you've had a good summer as well, and I'm

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 2>sure the three of us could have a very good,

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 2>long philosophical discussion about hate laws and the over extension

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of these things and the infringements of around free speech.

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I will save that for when they start to become

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>a potential reality in New South Wales. But let's start

0:33:56.600 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 2>on where I mentioned the worst poll that Albo could

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>have going into an election year. Where As we said,

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 2>fifty five percent of people say that he's doing a

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 2>poor or a very poor job. The preferred prime minister

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>number is now thirty nine to thirty four Nationally. It's

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 2>forty two thirty three in favor of Peter Dutton in

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 2>New South Wales, thirty eight thirty four in favor of

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton in Victoria, forty two thirty two in favor

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 2>of Peter Dutton in Queensland. Bromwin polls aren't elections poles

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:28.839
<v Speaker 2>up the beginning of trends, Darta da da da da

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>book bookies, all the rest of it, But your sense

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 2>about the start of this year when the numbers are

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 2>coming in as clear.

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 8>As that I told you before. They were ready to

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.239
<v Speaker 8>go on the seventh of December, and they will be

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:44.280
<v Speaker 8>beating themselves up that they lost their nerve and didn't

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 8>go because it's not going to get any better. I mean,

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 8>the Prime minister performance today was pathetic. I mean truly

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 8>it was cringe worthy when you start hear him try

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 8>and push away the responsibility for what is happening in

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 8>this country because of his poor leadership on the antisemitism

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 8>and trying to say it's foreign actors when the one

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 8>word that the Commissioner used was could, yeah, good point,

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 8>not make could, and he turns it into a full

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 8>blown thing. It's not my fault, it's all them overseas.

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's the crypto people. Absolutely.

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 8>It's just unbelievable that the man who got to be

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 8>Prime minister can be that pathetic. You know, I heard

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 8>somebody say today anyone who gets to be leader, well,

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 8>they have to have something gave for them, not this land.

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>You don't see it now.

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 8>He never did, and it's just so apparent. Somebody pointed

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 8>out today that the best week he had in the

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 8>lead up to the last election was the week he

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 8>had offered covid.

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Well Kristen again in favor of Dunton forty two thirty

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.280
<v Speaker 2>two in Queensland, thirty eight thirty four in Victoria, forty

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 2>two thirty three in New South Wales.

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>You said, whils Victoria, Queensland.

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 2>That's the seats now, Are there enough to fully pull

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 2>it all together? Yes, but it all depends on the

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>performance in and around the teals. But let's talk about

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, Woktopia that is Victoria. Well, it's back on

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:16.280
<v Speaker 2>the trend and they don't want this block, No.

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 12>They don't. We're sick of the cream of the crop

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:24.280
<v Speaker 12>of labor being Anthony Albaneasy. We are sick of everything

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 12>that labor has done to Victoria and disseminated it. And

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 12>I personally think that we're going to see something like

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.839
<v Speaker 12>America did, because you can already see Dutton doing better

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 12>in the polls. The only risk that I find in

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 12>this is that there's a bunch of minor parties left,

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 12>minor parties that will prop up labor. Yes, and that

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 12>is the risk in the election, whereas the Libs don't

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 12>really have that and they might not be able to

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 12>get over the line in enough seats to form a

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:53.920
<v Speaker 12>majority government.

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, let's talk about that right now again Sunday

0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.399
<v Speaker 2>night with the full deep dive on this. But we

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.399
<v Speaker 2>know that in a system that relies upon preferences, if

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 2>you are a Team Blue candidate or a Team Green

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 2>in the Green and Yellow in the regions for the

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>National Party, I am recognizing the differences here, but you

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 2>know the point if you're a Team Blue candidate that

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 2>if it's you versus forty eight people on the ballot,

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 2>well forty seven of them are all going to get

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.479
<v Speaker 2>together and the non u vote ends up if it's

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 2>under fifty being able to over fifty being able to

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 2>get you the preference discipline on the right that was

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:36.239
<v Speaker 2>shown in twenty nineteen from UAP voters and from One

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Nation voters, we're essentially two out of three of them

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>backed in the coalition, meant Morrison one in twenty nineteen

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:43.799
<v Speaker 2>when that wasn't the case. That was kind of the

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 2>other way around. Bugger them all, Bugger the system and

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:48.879
<v Speaker 2>all the reasons why people did what they did. Well,

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 2>we got the government that we did. What's your sense

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 2>about the people who are in a very significant group

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.399
<v Speaker 2>of people, up to seventeen percent of people who aren't

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 2>buying into Team Red, Team Blue. They're saying independent another

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 2>one nation. What's your sense about what they're going to

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 2>do with number two?

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 8>I think people getting to the stage where independent is

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:14.919
<v Speaker 8>a luxury good that they don't want a situation where

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.760
<v Speaker 8>nothing can be done about that cost of living problems,

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 8>about their mortgage problems. I mean, the country is in

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 8>the wrong direction when you've got the snake charmer out

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 8>there saying all these jobs is created, eighty two percent

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 8>of them are in the public or public dependent sector. Correct,

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 8>the private sector has been squeezed out. Now, all those

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 8>people who risk their houses to have their own businesses,

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 8>all those people who are struggling to pay themselves a

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 8>wage to employ other people with a disastrous industrial relations

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 8>laws which are starting to be felt, and they'll get

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 8>to be felt more. I think they're going to think,

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:56.320
<v Speaker 8>maybe independence is a luxury we can't afford this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well look again in the Senate the pictures there.

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Kristin, there are plenty of other pictures and certainly,

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not going to pretend that Kristin doesn't of

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 2>course represent that the libertarian perspective. And again, whether they're

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 2>fight is in and around the Senate will all wait

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 2>and see. But again, sorry I interrupted you, Kristin.

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 11>No.

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.439
<v Speaker 12>I was going to say, well, Labor, the federal labor

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 12>government is taking a play out of the Victorian Labour's

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 12>book in terms of stacking the deck. The more people

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 12>that they put in the public sector, the more people

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 12>that are going to guarantee them votes. And it's amazing

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 12>that people don't see that that's what they're doing.

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's talk about Trump, but more importantly the

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 2>umbrella of which he has now created for Peter Dutton

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 2>potentially to be able to either pull Australia out of

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 2>the Paris Accord or to be able to not play

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 2>the game that the left wants when it comes to

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty five targets. We know that there is a

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty five target that's going to be coming, but

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Ambanez says, I possibly couldn't possibly tell you that

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 2>before the election because we all know that it would

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>be negotiated as one of the things to potentially keep

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 2>himself in offers. This is a massive issue for Australia

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:08.800
<v Speaker 2>because now that essentially China doesn't really have to apply

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 2>till twenty thirty, India the same, the developing world the same,

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 2>and now America. It's the best part of sixty plus

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 2>percent of the world's emissions.

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:23.400
<v Speaker 8>Look, what Trump has demonstrated is he said this is

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 8>going to be a golden age. And you can't have

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 8>a golden age with rigid policies, green policies, you just can't.

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:40.479
<v Speaker 8>They're sclerosis. They're unable to adapt to new things. Look

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 8>we got from Germany three things, world War one, world

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 8>War II, and the Greens Party and the Greens Party

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 8>came out of the anti nuclear party, and there's bands

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 8>still trotting it out today. But in Europe they're starting

0:40:56.880 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 8>to push them away. It's been a part of which

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 8>has got no ability to adapt to one of the

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 8>new circumstances. Now, what Trumps said is that the future

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 8>of prosperity is energy electricity, that without that you cannot

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 8>have a prosperostination. And he's right. We are punishing ourselves.

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:26.880
<v Speaker 8>We have the cost of the supermarket checkout, we have

0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 8>the cost of the electricity bill when it comes in,

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 8>we have the cost of the mortgage every month, and

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 8>then on top of that we get the insurance bill now,

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 8>which hits you really hard because it gets bigger and

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 8>bigger each time. So unless we go back to having

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:50.359
<v Speaker 8>cheap energy and cheap fuel, then we can never get

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 8>a prosperous nation again. And this government is rigid. It

0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:57.799
<v Speaker 8>is unable to adapt. If it's getting warmer, adapt to

0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 8>it new policies. But just don't say we've got to

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 8>put our head in the sand and say, oh, the

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 8>wolves all coming to an end because because because because

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 8>climate change has become the world's biggest excuse to do nothing.

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Great, Kenn, I know what you think about that. I'm

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 2>pretty sure I know what many of you will.

0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Paul. It's GODEWS dot com dot Are you quick break

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>back with more Chris than I promise.

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Your first cab off the brank, a first cap off

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:22.319
<v Speaker 2>the rank after the break.

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Plenty more to talk about here on Paul Murray Live.

0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for watching. About fifteen minutes still Lactiday, a.

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Few days away from Australia Day, and thankfully we are

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 2>not having the Invasion Day debate over and over and

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 2>over again. Instead, what we are starting to see is

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>actually the majority of councils and the majority of people

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 2>representing people in those councils wanting to embrace Australia Day. Yes,

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 2>there are a significant number who do not, but particularly

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 2>in areas that represent people who may have come to

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 2>the country in this generation or the one before. Now,

0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Chris and Abram is here along with the wonderful Bromwin

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Bishop Kristen.

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.240
<v Speaker 1>What is it that is so obviously.

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 2>On show in newer communities that their public embrace of

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a national day is louder than the people who have

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.960
<v Speaker 2>had the privilege of being born here and growing up

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 2>here over many generations longer.

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 12>I'm a first generation Australian myself, Paul, and I'm grateful

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 12>that my parents migrated to Australia. And these people that

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 12>are getting their citizenship certificate on Australia Day, they've chosen

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 12>this country. They've said, no, I'm going to leave my

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:46.879
<v Speaker 12>home country behind and make this my home and call

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 12>Australia home. So it is quite a beautiful embrace, and

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 12>we should be proud of the nation that we live in.

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 12>We should be proud of whether that's the people that

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 12>have chosen to become Australian, the people that were born

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 12>here first generation, or the people that have been here

0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 12>for forty thousand years. We should all be proud to

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:06.240
<v Speaker 12>be Australians. And I'll say something very controversial about Australia

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 12>Day though, Paul, and that is I do think that

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 12>we should change the date of Australia Day on the

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:16.800
<v Speaker 12>condition that we celebrate it louder, prouder, bigger and better

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:19.839
<v Speaker 12>than we have in the previous years, because I'm sick

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:23.160
<v Speaker 12>of this cloud hanging over Australia Day. I am proud

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:24.880
<v Speaker 12>to be in Australian and I want the rest of

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 12>the country to be proud with me. And if that

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 12>means changing it to today, the thirtieth of January, or

0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 12>whatever the day it may be, that is okay. As

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 12>long as we celebrate it, breat it loud and proud,

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 12>well say, I will be celebrating it in Talkie Beach

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 12>with a Libertarian counselor with a public barbecue so anyone

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 12>can come down and get amongst it.

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Good stuff, all right, We'll enjoy the BBQ at Torqui

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 2>beautiful place of course. At the start of the grade

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Ocean road. That said, of course, I think the issue,

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 2>as always bromwinize, is that April the twenty third or

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:02.759
<v Speaker 2>September six. The whole point is there's a certain group

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:07.000
<v Speaker 2>of people who do not want that recognition around modern Australia.

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 2>But again to this point where people from places in

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 2>New South Wales like a Bankstown or a Liverpool that

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 2>their mayors are saying, look, I'll do any interview you

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.719
<v Speaker 2>want about how great Australiaday is, but try and find

0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 2>the one on the northern beaches of Sydney to have

0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 2>the same view.

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:27.479
<v Speaker 8>Well, I'll give you two good reasons why Australia Day

0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:33.840
<v Speaker 8>is so important for people taking citizenship, as we just heard,

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 8>and that is that as a local member, I went

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:43.760
<v Speaker 8>to all citizenship ceremonies. If I missed one, I'd be amazed.

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 8>And I did it because I think it was so

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 8>important that someone was taking the decision to give their

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 8>all to this country and to sign up to this country,

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 8>and that is a fantastic and big decision to make,

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 8>and so I thought it was incumbent on me to

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 8>be there to talk to them, to discuss with them,

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 8>to meet them and to know what their hopes and

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:12.759
<v Speaker 8>aspirations were. But in answer to the problem about why

0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:16.399
<v Speaker 8>the twenty sixth of January is such an important date,

0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.760
<v Speaker 8>it's not only important because that's the day that Governor

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 8>Philip arrived with the first fleet. It's also the day

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 8>in nineteen forty nine when Australians went from being British

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 8>subjects to becoming Australian citizens. And that was a very

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 8>important change, and that included Aboriginal people. So there are

0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 8>two good reasons. The sheer guts of the people who

0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 8>traveled over those seas and then had to try and

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 8>make a living out of the land and stay alive

0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 8>with food and invented things like the stump plow and

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 8>all that they could do it. That's a good reason.

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:59.439
<v Speaker 8>But so is becoming an Australian citizen as distinct from

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:00.480
<v Speaker 8>a British subjects.

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:01.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very good point.

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 2>I should mention Northern Beach is counciled before they send

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>a complaint to me. They are having a breakfast on

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:08.879
<v Speaker 2>the twenty sixth at Newport Beach indeed, and they will

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:09.160
<v Speaker 2>be there.

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:12.319
<v Speaker 8>So we used to make we used to have a

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:15.799
<v Speaker 8>big ceremony where we made people's citizens on the Beach. Yeah,

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 8>they don't do that anymore.

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Think that's the way, that's the way to do it.

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:22.319
<v Speaker 12>But what's the alternative If if we're not, if we're

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 12>not having people that are choosing to be Australian citizens

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:28.399
<v Speaker 12>be proud on Australia Day, then why are they becoming

0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 12>Australian citizens in the first place? What is the alternative?

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 12>And everyone else should feel that pride as well.

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Great point, excellent point is this is the thing that

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 2>people who have not had to go through that process,

0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and those rituals seem to be the ones that are

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 2>most loud and loud and out there.

0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Again, we're all across the past, we're all we're all aware.

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 2>But are anyone who thinks that, you know, Australian Days

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 2>sort of you know, victory day or rub it in

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:55.839
<v Speaker 2>people's face? Of course not right, of course, not the

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 2>case anyway. We see it as the day when so

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:01.799
<v Speaker 2>many people do renew themselves to the country. I was

0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 2>going to talk about dogs in cafes, but I'll save

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:05.799
<v Speaker 2>that for tomorrow night. Thank you so much to you,

0:48:05.800 --> 0:48:08.440
<v Speaker 2>bron with Bishop will see you again next week and

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 2>christin Abrams again.

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Talkie talkie, beach or the mainStreet. Where are you going

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:13.880
<v Speaker 1>to be?

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 12>Yes, Talkie Rich twelve pm public barbecue. Everyone's welcome. I

0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 12>will be having Australia Day tattoos for you.

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:26.239
<v Speaker 2>How ironically libertarian that you're going to buy it for

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:27.840
<v Speaker 2>everyone else, But I get the point.

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.120
<v Speaker 8>And happy a strategy to you too. I hope it's

0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:30.799
<v Speaker 8>great for you.

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very much, Thank you guys. All right, that's our

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 2>shaving a thank you very much for watching. Brighton and

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Bishop will be back next week in the morning. Meghan Kereley,

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:39.680
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0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:42.000
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0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.040
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0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:45.440
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0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.400
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0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:50.759
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0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:51.879
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