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Speaker 1: before we get onto, you keep wants to know where

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Speaker 1: we met. I was when I was sitting here going

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Speaker 2: Cheesz.

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Speaker 1: I tear what we've lost some people over the years.

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Speaker 2: That you get.

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Speaker 1: They're of our generation that you played against and with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, real human pest it was. He was, remember now,

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Speaker 2: it's crazy how you meet people. And I'm nine ninety.

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Speaker 2: I went down to South Sydney and I've just been

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Speaker 2: He just doesn't shut up, but he's seegn tore move

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Speaker 2: was he used your toel and he kept using my

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Speaker 2: put the traggids on. He goes out and sees Reggie rabbit.

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Speaker 2: But he also went outside. It was in winter and

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Speaker 2: I was the same oles every day. It was just structured.

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Speaker 2: This is everything before. But now I'm so structured and

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Speaker 1: I did the same with wives Nutritians here today the

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Speaker 4: Hey, well we're into the podcast now.

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Speaker 3: But obviously Mark, Spud, Carrol Manly South Sydney and Penrith

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Speaker 4: Before we kick off a bit of your career.

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Speaker 3: Tell us about how you and Matthew first met because

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Speaker 3: you guys played red Foota together.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah we did. I don't think Spider would remember this,

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Speaker 1: You blokes were all to get up visiting Buttsy at

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Speaker 1: This is a young fellow coming through and Mate, that

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Speaker 1: they're great blakes and MG he's nothing like you think.

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Speaker 1: the best and worst of MG that night.

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Speaker 2: It's the play against MG. When I was eighteen, he

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Speaker 2: was playing for Saint Mary's and all Saint Pad's way.

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Speaker 2: Sound we're both five eights, both five bites. We we

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Speaker 2: that and to play a Test match with you you

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Speaker 2: went out on the drink. Well the Emmy is so

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Speaker 2: we always wear the shirt's out and we went into

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Speaker 2: they said the Aussie badge one one one there were

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Speaker 2: normal app in the opposite and he opened up an MG.

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Speaker 2: We'll say good night, he goes, Yeah, cheers lady. He

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Speaker 2: put his hand out and bang left hand smoted him.

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Speaker 2: He was and then walks he walks away one, all one,

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Speaker 2: all one. As you said that that is so much MG.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys played State of Origin together?

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Speaker 1: talk about a series of some of the stuff that

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Speaker 1: went on. But they sparred like but how's the band going.

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Speaker 2: a band called the True Sports Rock Band. It's something

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Speaker 2: I've always loved and wanted to do, and we're doing

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Speaker 2: some good. You know, get to get together. But my

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Speaker 2: for Johnny O'Keeffe and.

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Speaker 1: They one of our listeners who don't Johnny o'keif is

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Speaker 1: the first rock and roll legend in Australian rock history.

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Speaker 4: Are we fire up fifty points?

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Speaker 2: My favorite parla that game was John hob Wae. He

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Speaker 1: You get it on YouTube. Astravis is South Africa ninety

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Speaker 2: The night before that game, we actually went out, you know,

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Speaker 2: I used to wear glasses and the cinegradable glasses and

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: How embarrassing and turns is having a goa poor old

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Speaker 1: Jeff cars guys, settle down. They're serious, okay, great memories.

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Speaker 1: It's quite mentoring young players, right, we're talking about that before.

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Speaker 1: lot of time. Clubs will send players to you to

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Speaker 1: your gym. But also mate, you commentate in New South

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Most topics they go down there that

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Speaker 2: they swing the watch in your front. It was all

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Speaker 3: That that how do you pick him out? Because I

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Speaker 4: He went and had a blind are. Actually Boilely hasn't

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Speaker 2: Now he's for I'm up for rant I just I

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Speaker 2: just enjoy slamm. People reach their goals. You know the

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Speaker 2: I remember I used to set him goals each game.

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Speaker 2: He was doing twenty. He won the he won the

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Speaker 2: And I just said, little object is what they should

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Speaker 1: And a lot of that individual goal setting sort of

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Speaker 1: gone out. Jack Jack was there. He said, mate, spudsman

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Speaker 2: I love. I think it may be was that word respect.

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Speaker 2: But every week I'll see it. Like the other day,

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Speaker 2: it was a moving time from my Alvey down and

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Speaker 2: I went down. I just wanted to meet him, shook hands.

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Speaker 2: He's look at me and made you like, seriously, who

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Speaker 2: so prede yourself like we'll do all up. I'm a

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Speaker 2: out there and show us how much you love this game.

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Speaker 2: And he had an unbelievable game.

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Speaker 4: He scored a few.

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Speaker 2: Try incredible guys. I just love saying guys achieve what

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Speaker 1: like he didn't know how to take it.

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00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 2: You know. He got right in my face with that ship,

432
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,239
Speaker 2: and I said, I just spent with Freddy, which I had.

433
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: It was in while as I said, mate, do you

434
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 2: want your spot? Go out there him destroy and to

435
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,160
Speaker 2: see if you did twenty carries made. He did twenty

436
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 2: two two hundred me as the front rower. And then

437
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: I had a bit of a thing with him the

438
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 2: year before Origin and Freddie asked me to go over

439
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 2: to the PC Y do a boxing session with him

440
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 2: and I'll put the pads on. I said, I'll just

441
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 2: see the pads and I got him hitting the ground.

442
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 2: I was hitting them in the guts and then he

443
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: come up to me and I said, mate, you're a

444
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: tough blake, and he was. He was lying up into

445
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 2: me and I was going bang left hawk and he

446
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: chased me around the room. So it brought the best.

447
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

448
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

449
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 3: Can I ask you sud Like because your generation was

450
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 3: there's a lot of criticism on today's game where you know,

451
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 3: people say it's not as tough and things like that.

452
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 3: You you're one of the toughest players of that generation

453
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 3: right before the game kind of shifted to a more

454
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 3: safer protecting players rules. How do you see the game now?

455
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: Do you see a lot of these players is as

456
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 3: tough athletes or do you see differently?

457
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: No, there's tough athletes. They're true professionals. We had to

458
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 2: have a job at Its just a office station, and

459
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 2: then go to training. They're full time professionals. To me,

460
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 2: I reckon. They're all built the same mold. There's no

461
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 2: rules six foot four blakes coming through. They're all six

462
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: sixty one, one hundred and twenty k and bloody move.

463
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: It's amazing that the mobilities some of these guys have.

464
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: What about because a lot of people won't know, and

465
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people will that you were Russell Crowe's

466
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: private security for quite a while. How long are you

467
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: and Russell.

468
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: Boon mates back since nineteen ninety nine? I went one

469
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 2: of the Broncos in ninety eight after losing the grand

470
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: following ninety seven and the last one year over there

471
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 2: and me being the tight ass. It was three to one,

472
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: so I'd have a pizza, was twenty quit I'm going

473
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: sixty bucks it So I ended up. I ended up

474
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: coming home back this house, and I just wanted to

475
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: prove it to myself. I still had it, but I

476
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 2: remember four before games like I'm an absolute maniac and

477
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: I was always had whichever ground I remember where I

478
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 2: sat blah blah blah blah blah, and I sat down

479
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 2: next to Tom Cruise walks in before a game, I'm

480
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 2: going tom Cruise. He said, look, he's pretty, had really

481
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: nice hair. And then Russell walks in like this, and

482
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 2: I went, the hell was they get him out of you?

483
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: I didn't know who he was. He only made one movie,

484
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 2: you know, and how you meet people. So he's come

485
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 2: up and shook hands and he says, Russell kraussed him.

486
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: I did your watch? He had a submar of roll

487
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 2: like someone was my favorite watch. I'm going to get

488
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: one of those one day. And he's going ahead like that,

489
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: and then we exchange numbers and then you just ring

490
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 2: all the time. I'll be in the car and he said,

491
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: Russell Crowley rings all the time anyway, for the next

492
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: four years. I retired in nineteen ninety nine, and for

493
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: those four years I found it very hard to let

494
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: rugby league go if you can't tell. And I'd go

495
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: to one game and melik you sa the cheerleaders of Souse,

496
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,959
Speaker 2: Russell be in the crowd, always got my solo. Then

497
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: on the fourth year, I was thirty six, he said,

498
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 2: I do want to want you to play rugby league

499
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: for the Aura Valley x men. I went, okay, I'm

500
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 2: going to give you give me an answer tomorrow nine o'clock.

501
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 2: So I go, I'll see the money, and she goes,

502
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: just go and play and bash someone get laud of

503
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: his system. I didn't ring up, Daisy, I'm my favorite there.

504
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: Oh yes, but puts may dam. I'm telling youone to

505
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 2: get into his network out. They worry about my money.

506
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: So Russell rings up next day and said how much

507
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: money you want? I said, I don't want your money.

508
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: I want to get in your network, and he goes,

509
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: what do you mean. I said, well, said you love.

510
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: So we end up playing rugular league again at the

511
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: age of six at the Ura Valley. Even I thought

512
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: I was flying up on the ledge and it was

513
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: one of those propeller planes, and I had the girl

514
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: that start with her first day looking on the bit

515
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: of paper, Welcome to quantity, I QF whatever it was.

516
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: And I did twelve weeks of that Ago Tuesday, come back,

517
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: go Wednesday, come back Thursday, play Saturday. Oh I did, mate,

518
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: I did ridiculous amount of airtime. I'll take my kids anytime.

519
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: At his farm where we were and played. We made

520
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: the Grand final. Unfortunately we lost the Grand Final, but

521
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: it was closure for me. And at the presentation that

522
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: I got an award and started crying as usual, and

523
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: then I got him and the bloody cry all the time.

524
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: She goes that, look at Russell's mom and dad and

525
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: she's howling and she goes to me, what time is it?

526
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: I went what? She goes, what time is it? When

527
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: there was a bloody roll ex sitting there. Lex was

528
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: playing Foota again. So he's a special character. Unbelievable to

529
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: watch work, Maddie. I got asked to do Cinderella, man,

530
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 2: I heard you sort of talk about the other day

531
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: on your show and made it's a bloody good movie.

532
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 4: So you were you acted into.

533
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: So called security, right. He asked me to go, And

534
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: then about two days later he goes, you didn't ask her?

535
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: Did you mean my wife? He goes like, I'm making

536
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: exactly the decision that's going to be this, this, this,

537
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 2: making the kids come over, blah blah blah, Josh's birthday.

538
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: You got to Disneyland. He plans everything. He knows exactly

539
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: where he's going. Toronto, Candila grid formation, OK, bike ride,

540
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 2: So we land. We land in Beverly Beverlyhill's Hotel.

541
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: L A.

542
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: I've got this biggest room I've ever so I've got

543
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: four pillows on his bed. Anyway, he does a whistle

544
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: and Erroilcott. There was a physio for Australia because Russell.

545
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 2: We had to turn the movie down or back because

546
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: he all this, he had to learn all these moves.

547
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: And he threw a punch and hit the ground, cry

548
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: on carrying on off. Some shot him in the ground

549
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: so hard and he popped his shoulder. So he went

550
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: through shame warman oil. Anyway, we're going for a walk,

551
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 2: and so we're going to see of mates may be going.

552
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: We meet Danny de Vito, come in by this fucking midget.

553
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: But his house was he had one of those you

554
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: know those things, those electric ones, and just leaned forward.

555
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, the yeah yeah, but through his house, right.

556
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: So then we end up. So we end up landing.

557
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: We land in Toronto. It's like minus fourteen, okay. And

558
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: the funniest thing for me was with wherever he goes

559
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: in the world. He has his gym trailer and you

560
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: can put the heaters in there and everything. But he

561
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: was dying for a ship and I remember he dropped

562
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: the load in the duney and he couldn't flush because

563
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: it was frozen. So I had to get to the

564
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: head of securities. You have to fix this. But made

565
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: I'll sell you. It's just I can talk for I

566
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: was about Cinderella Man, the people and matt Ron Howard rene,

567
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: he's doing a poor g Marty. It's crazy, how Ron Howard.

568
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: For the first month Russell were doing all the reading.

569
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: And the crazy thing about it is this James Braddock,

570
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: I look like him. Yees.

571
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: Cinderella Man. He was a famous boxer through the depression

572
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: years in America.

573
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so we get there the first and people

574
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: used to look up and say, oh, you Russell's double

575
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: because actors that they have a double who goes out

576
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: and he's got to get the lights right and they

577
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: put a cross on the ground. He then leaves and

578
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: the guys are going to actually look like Russell. That's crazy.

579
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: And he wears the same clothes because every day he's

580
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: got to set structure. But the thing is, I remember

581
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: with Ron Howard. He said, because he's watching his throat

582
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: and torpedo passes because they used to doing this. Yeah yeah,

583
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 2: I said, Ronnie, come and I'll bring a DVD out

584
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: and the chief so I remember, and they had the

585
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: collision and he goes he looked back. He goes, you're

586
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: not wearing any paths. I said, no, but I wear

587
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: a mouthguart you. It proved the ice mad Russell. He

588
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: knew I do this. He knew what I was going

589
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: to do, like I had the whole structure in my hand.

590
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: I'd see it when he might have got for dinner

591
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: with his bloke. And the thing I love about what

592
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: Russell does, he's so smart. So you've got one hundred

593
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: and fifty people, you're going to try and bring him

594
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: together as quick as you can. And he used to

595
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: get a pathim, which is the weekly wage, and he'd

596
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: have a five hundred dollar for the worst shirt, right,

597
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: So okay, on Friday's worst shirt, five hundred bucks. Anyway,

598
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: the winners you with that shirt, and I look at

599
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: you and I got a worse one than you, and

600
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So everyone was starting to get together, right.

601
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: So I got on a stage where I had to

602
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: buy for hours of people, and I went into a

603
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: log of Saint Vinnie's and I found out shirts for everyone,

604
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: and I said this, lady, I was fucking used. I

605
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty kre. I was like, man, I

606
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: couldn't move. I was the mobility of an ocean liner.

607
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: And I said to the lady, and she goes, what

608
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: about a dress love, I said, if you get me

609
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: a dresser, Oh were it? I had this green number.

610
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: It was that tight, and I remember I put my

611
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: hair back. I had these little socks and his shoes

612
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: and I walked down the stairs and Russell's got what

613
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: they call a dress. I said, he looks after his

614
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: dress code. It's been not for thirty years. And he said, Spud,

615
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: you're going to embarrass Russell. I said, buck, and I'm

616
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: trying to embarrass myself. I'm bored. And I went past

617
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: the girls in the candeen and they said, I'll show

618
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: some weight, so I pulled the leg up. The first

619
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: person I seen was Renezo Winger and she walks out

620
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: and she says, I spared because I said I'm I'm

621
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: your double for today. And then Russell comes out, you're dead,

622
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: You're all day. So I wore it all day. I

623
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: guess what happened. Did win the money. But the next

624
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: week we did what they call outdoor. It was on

625
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: a Friday, and they hire a street and they just

626
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: make it turn into a magic and I remember walking Russell.

627
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: He's there and this guy walks past with a white

628
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: shirt on and an Australian flag. I went, that's good shirt.

629
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm on the back of his shirt. We'll work for

630
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: shoes or something. One hundred and fifty people are wearing

631
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: my shirt and the first person comes up was Ron Howard.

632
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: I said, turn around, running aside his shirt.

633
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: Were they nice people like Renault Zo?

634
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: I guess very renees Winger, absolutely beautiful, But thinking about

635
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: Russell when he's always late. So productions all about money

636
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: and he'd buy things like bikes and all this stuff,

637
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: but he does his research, as I said Maddie. First

638
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: one was part of training for boxing. It was cutting

639
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: stuff with funny saws. And then we do a heap

640
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: of bike riding and I remember we got the Toronto

641
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: and were walking in with this bike shop and he goes,

642
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 2: that's yours. I went, it's only got one stem right,

643
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: it's called a lefty. It's five and a half grand,

644
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: and he goes, I want a better one than that one.

645
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 2: He got this thing. It was like on glaves, like

646
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: on water. But we gave for we gave for a

647
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: bike ride, and he wouldn't anyone pass him. He was like, seriously,

648
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: So I got on a stage where I got a

649
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: I got a speed Oh my god, his backside anyway,

650
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: this one particular time I raced him down the street.

651
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: He didn't know I was going to do it, and

652
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: I was just watching the gear change. And then soon

653
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: the rules were you one way to one way to

654
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: stand up. So I've gone pass him. He stood up

655
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: and said, oh you're gone, and I've just gone flying

656
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: past him, And there was a cameraman right there going.

657
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: They made the pages of the paper and we never

658
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: went down that street again.

659
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: Did you as a security guard were there any like

660
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: dangerous situations? Were you ever put in a situation where

661
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: you had to diffuse anything or not.

662
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: Out not outside like I just I can scare people

663
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: with my eyes together on my face. But the only

664
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: time we had one thing. It was back of the

665
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 2: hotel level fifteen. We got a bar and Russell's were

666
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: just telling stories and whatever. You know, you can talk

667
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: on the water, and there was these three kids over

668
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: here wearing the raw eggs, watched the Louis Vton's shoes

669
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and one of them had a camera

670
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: wave and I said look and Russell goes, I just

671
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: can't buy some drinks. I bought some drinks, starts to wave.

672
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: I said, may put the bloody thing down where you

673
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: go your drinks anyway? And he gave me a bit

674
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: of mouth. I just went over to him and I said,

675
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: what's your problem? Right? And I watched him he put

676
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: his he put his glass all that he's going to

677
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: try and glass me, right. So I grabbed him like that,

678
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: and next thing, everyone's trying to stop everything. And I

679
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: didn't come back, and then he went walk about and

680
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: then he came. Remember these two blokes and they were

681
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: really stocky, and the background their ice hockey, right, and

682
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: and that sound that they were blue as they reckon.

683
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: That's what they told me. And Russell looked at me

684
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: and I could tell boy his eyes go and sort

685
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: these blokes out. And so I went over and this

686
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: blake got in front of me and he goes, do

687
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: you stick a bit? And I said, what do you reckon?

688
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: Like as in fight? Anyway? You won't believe it. We go,

689
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: they leave, We go to bed. A phone call three

690
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: o'clock Russell, we're going to hand it down. He caught

691
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: the coppers and he's behind the coppers doing He's given right,

692
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want.

693
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 5: To get you.

694
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was sitting beyond his cop and I'm saying, yeah,

695
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: I brutally attacked him.

696
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: I said, okay, So I can imagine with Russell everything

697
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: around him this people always want something.

698
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they would be such a generous person. Made

699
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 2: the amount of watches he has brought people roll axes,

700
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 2: and I sort of understand why he does it, because

701
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: his main thing is if you fall on hard times,

702
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: you've got something you can sell and something which sort

703
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: of goes up in price. But just to see some

704
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: of the work, the detail you can tell by the

705
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: way Sousa with their dress code and everything's gonna be

706
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: stitched perfect. He's so picky. Yeah, he's so picky.

707
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: Okay, you're in chief, and you know we were. I

708
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: lived through that.

709
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: I saw it. He was.

710
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Oftentimes people will talk about their greatest rivals and they'll say, mate,

711
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: when we went across the line made it was on.

712
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: But then straight after the game, you know, there was

713
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: so much respect. We have a beer and everything. Yours

714
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: was not a friendly rivalry, it was it was one

715
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: that was on the field and extended off the field

716
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: as well.

717
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly. Then it started in nineteen ninety four. Remember

718
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: we're playing mainly the Newcastle brook f first Trial and

719
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: then when you're training for those three months you lifting. Wait,

720
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: it's like I gotta lift cars man. I was just ridiculous,

721
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: but I had no ability, but I could bloody head.

722
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: And they put like a reserve raid side on and

723
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: all the big novels are sitting number. So the Butts

724
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: and you guys were sitting up the top there and

725
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: the Chief and this young bloke. I kept saying to me, mate,

726
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: I said, this is like target practice because these blokes

727
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: are just going straight bang bang. Anyway, someone shot this bloke.

728
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: O one needs to come down. I got him high,

729
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: put him asleep, snorting, and I reckon that they all

730
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 2: looked there each other. They want to give this Mark

731
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: Carrol next than they playing. Because I just wasn't up

732
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: against the Chief. I was up against Butts as well.

733
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: You knows Boils, well he's not bad, bad bad blood, but.

734
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: But he played now Tom, but you really underestimated as

735
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: far as front rowers and toughness, but Butts he would

736
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: break out him boils all over his body. So you

737
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: just se bokes tackle him in the game and go, well,

738
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: that is in your blood.

739
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: They reckon, that's as soon as you get a scratch

740
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: or anything, boils come straight up. When it was Tino

741
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: fast on my lay are the same thing, really.

742
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: Boil boy. When they played Sparred like Chief and Buttsy

743
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: would just come to life. I remember that day in

744
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: the game that I was sitting up there and they

745
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: saw that and they were.

746
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: Like every game. I know, it's just something about amount.

747
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: He was thinking the same as me. I got him

748
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: to a chapter in my book and I said, don't

749
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: hold back. I want to see what was playing in

750
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: your mind. But things the whole lead up to a game,

751
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: you've got to think. I've got manly Boza, I've got

752
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: Terry Hills spitting at me off two's under me of

753
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: the time. I've got a mum who's five foot tall,

754
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: say Mark, don't hurt him one. I've got a dad

755
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: who rings up and says get the first shot in

756
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: hangs up. That's my build up to the week. But

757
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: leading up to that game ninety five, I actually I

758
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: was the first person to get They all lasic with

759
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: my eyes. I used to wear contacts. I had ship

760
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: outside sight and I used to wear contacts, and in

761
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: that ninety five it's how it all started. We played

762
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: City versus Country down in Ilawara there win the stadium,

763
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: and it absolutely pissed down rain and we thought the

764
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: game was going to be abandoned, but we actually end

765
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: up playing. But what happens with wet conditions maye you

766
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: can't step. It was so good. Everyone's just going straight lines.

767
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: And I went ballistic, chasing Chief and trying to get

768
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: him as hard as I could, and poor old Nick

769
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: case of his great man four knees. He had four

770
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: reconstructions and they turned the ball back inside and before

771
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: I had the operations a week contacts, I said, one

772
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: of my contacts that come out, so I couldn't. I

773
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: can only see one eye side close, and they turned

774
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: the ball back and side went can I've had their

775
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: head clues? And I put his nose over to his ear.

776
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: Nick and I ended up getting picked for Origin that

777
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: that year, and then build up for the Newcastle the

778
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: other nights. You gotta you gotta remember this. Him and

779
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: I are playing for Australia the week before, we're actually

780
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: rooming together.

781
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: See you in Chief room together once and once and

782
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: in state of origin, camp origin, Game one state of origin?

783
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: And how how did you Obviously you didn't like each

784
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 4: other on the field, but was that off the field

785
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 4: as well?

786
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: Did you not like each other? Well? I remember he

787
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: went up to car Eve, the manager, and said I

788
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: can't do this. I'm not doing this, and they said, mate,

789
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: you've got to do this. So the beds they were

790
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: too like single beds and I slept like this. I

791
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 2: was waiting for action.

792
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: He was full one. Chief Chief come out with me

793
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: and goes, mate, they're trying to being smart asses. I

794
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: went why They said, spy night room together. He said

795
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: there's no fucking way I'm going up now. And Chief

796
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: went up and said, I'm telling you now, I'm not

797
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: rooting with it. And I think it was Gus Navin

798
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: and said, mate, your room with him or fuck off?

799
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 3: Well, how was the small talk? Because when you're in

800
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: a roomy sometimes you put a movie on your kind

801
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: of talk. What are you talking about now before a game.

802
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: Where roomy's going to grab you by the neck and

803
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: say let's go, let's go, We've got to do that.

804
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: You want to fight me? But it was the worst roomy,

805
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: You're nothing worse here and you wake up in the

806
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: morning he's ran bang opened up in the back cave.

807
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: Everyone was like bright lights. But it was just one

808
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: of those things, like as I said, then we got

809
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: selected to play for Australia and Bozo's the coach and

810
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: he's supposed to be taking bullets to me, and I'm

811
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: doing that for him. Playing for Australia. We turn up

812
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: on the Monday, Bozos into me. He's better than you.

813
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: You're week, He's going to get the better of you.

814
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm like this inside my belly and then Terry starts

815
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: spitting again and then turs and just the lead up

816
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: to that game, we drove up and the crowd was like,

817
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: it's the biggest crowd on I had thirty three thousand people.

818
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: They could fit thirty in the ground. They jumped people

819
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: jumping out, thirty three thousand there and first thing there

820
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: you're gone.

821
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: I was one of these guys. Never went on the

822
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: field until I ran out there, went the sheds and

823
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: made it's it's soaking. It's like I must have had

824
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: like a centamode of water in they have anyway. So

825
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: I got a slice fifteen feet and I sat in

826
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: the area every time I sat in the same error. So, yeah,

827
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: you put your figure eights and stuff in and I'm

828
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: walking through. It was like walking through a piss and

829
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: I'm on me tippytoes. I only wet and I'm sitting

830
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: there and they're putting my socks on. Next thing I

831
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: saw of they're going on this and the funny the

832
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: stuff's come off the roof and on what except And

833
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: then I could feel some sort of perspiration. I'm going,

834
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: what's going on? There was a little window of opportunity

835
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: right there, and these kids.

836
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 4: Is speaking.

837
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 2: Game.

838
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they used to be so we used to have

839
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: a window there. So but we took all the slats

840
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: out of the window, the glass one so that the

841
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: fans could look.

842
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 4: In and do whatever they want.

843
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: We go in there.

844
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: The day of the game, Me and Andrew would just

845
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: hose out the dressing room, so there was like six

846
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: inches of water block the drains. Maye we wet the roof.

847
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: Then they say, right, I turn off the hot water in.

848
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: The you guys, so the way this game, so the

849
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: game is about rap the WEEKI off and I think

850
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: it was the second player. They threw like a faseball

851
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: and the chief live has gone bang, in. We have

852
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: a fight on the ground and he pulls my jersey

853
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: over my head and this goes wa eighteen stitches. That

854
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: opens up straight away, and I remember going in the

855
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 2: sheds and the trainer's going get him on the field.

856
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: So they got the other stable gun out. It's like

857
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: a machine gun into my head. We got out there,

858
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: and then Bozol at halftime goes son, it's not the

859
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: personal war, so Boza go piss off. That's gome on.

860
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: And remember we we we scored a try, hop widely

861
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: in the corner back the scrum, and as chiefs leave

862
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 2: and Off comes through. I've crow pecked him asles out

863
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: in the back of the head and I said you've

864
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: got nothing, and we scorned in the corner. Hop finger

865
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: raised yep he did yet. And then someone then said

866
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: to your silly brother to kick off the mate.

867
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: What happened behind the line right he'd heard his groin

868
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: chief and our trainer come on, and he was limping

869
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: around and said, mate, you've got to get off. And

870
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: just previous to that, for that try, you crow pecked

871
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: him and he was going nuts and he said, I'm

872
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: fucking not going off. I want one more tackle and

873
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: said to Joey kick off at spad right, and Joey went, no, no,

874
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. We all went Chief's a bad idea,

875
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: and the trainer's going get off, Chief, get off, and

876
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: he said, fuck off. I'm coming, but I'm taking him

877
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: with me. And Joey's like, I said to Joey, mate,

878
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: joe don't kick off, just kick the other side. And

879
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: then she said I'm telling you now, kick off. So

880
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: Chief got his wish kicked off. And then those people that.

881
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 4: Haven't seen it, it's the collision of the century in

882
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 4: rugbid league. What are your memories of it? Because it

883
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 4: was it was like a car crash.

884
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was, well, you know, as I try and

885
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: teach these young guys run from the back fence. And

886
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: one of my idols was Jeff Robinson back then the

887
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: Western Newtown days, and his philosophy was the harder you run,

888
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: you don't get hurt. So I was running as hard

889
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: as they good. But my goal was to get the

890
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: twenty meter one good structure. Then we'd go mad. It

891
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: just happened at the corner. Well, I've seen him coming

892
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: in from here, and I was alriding and carry and

893
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: I just I just turned. He got me airborne. I

894
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: did like a three sixty land on the ground and

895
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: I get up. I remember I played the ball and

896
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: I can't remember the second role I was. I hit him.

897
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: But then I hear Cement screaming, now give it to him,

898
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: now give it to him, poor buggers snoring, and he's

899
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: Chiefs winding me up. That's right, Samon's whinding me up.

900
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: And I'm like over the top, ms, you know, give

901
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: him this boring spray whatever I said, And then twos

902
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: comes in. I actually pushed tubes away my captain, which

903
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: is you're hot that. But then people saying, how do

904
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: you get up? I said, man, I'm worried about my

905
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: dad jumping out of the fence and kidnap.

906
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: Did you black out at all.

907
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: That he hit the shoulder?

908
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: I was fine actually, But just an idea for people

909
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: how nasty this relationship got it become more than a

910
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: rovaly on the field is we went away at the

911
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: end of the year in England. It was really funny

912
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: because Newcastle and Manly we were just arch enemies, had

913
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: some epic games, but went away. In the World Cup tour,

914
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: we all actually go on really good, the Newcastle blokes

915
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: and the manly blokes except for Chief. And one day

916
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on the bus with you or on the

917
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: way to training, and me and you are laughing, having

918
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: a laugh, and I just turn and Chief is just

919
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: staring at me and like not taking his eyes off me.

920
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: So I put my eyes to the front. Two minutes

921
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: later I turn back around, He's still just staring at

922
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: me and like he was saying to me, why the

923
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: fuck are you laughing and talking to that bloke? That's

924
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: what he was.

925
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you when you're I suppose now like looking

926
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: back on that moment and your whole career, is that

927
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: the moment in your career that everyone stops you before

928
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 3: everyone asked footy fans want to ask you about.

929
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 2: It's quite incredible. I've had a gym now twenty years

930
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: and the amount of so the council workers going past

931
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: on hongwrns. I love their hits, but I mean may

932
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: in some ways get a life. But then again, I've

933
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: made a thing of their brain or their mind. Remember that,

934
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: so and Chief not is that I've said to him,

935
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: we formed a legacy. You'll never see a collision like

936
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: that ever again. You'll never see it. It's just two bikes,

937
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: just one hundred and ten kilo running into each other.

938
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: They just like a car crush and maybe you've got

939
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: me a couple of good times. They don't get me

940
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: wrong with Sydney Football Stadium. I remember come out line,

941
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: he's he's turning his hips. I've just gone and I've

942
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: got the kept getting up, bang, hit the ground up, bang.

943
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: I was taking divits out of the footage. Stadium was final.

944
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: I wanted you kept remember getting back and they've got

945
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: the defensive line. I'm screaming to the sheriff souls. Remember

946
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: the smelling salt off, smelling salts and then yeah you

947
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: go again, Bud.

948
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: Some of all the many boys still rip into the

949
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 4: smelling saints.

950
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: I got to say, all the tricks you guys had

951
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: the mate, we learned so much of you, as far

952
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: as tricks are concerned, as far as little things like so.

953
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: Back in the day there was unlimited interchange.

954
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: So you just go.

955
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: But however, when it got to test level it was

956
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: four in the changes went back, and you know, we

957
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: were sort of used to our forwards, a big forwards

958
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: like Chief and Spardan and David Lesterie used to un

959
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: limited interchange, so that was going to be a real challenge.

960
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: So the sheriff used to go, boys, it's still if

961
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: you go off with the blood bend, doesn't count as

962
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: a replacement. So he used to carry sheriff us to

963
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: carry a little razor onto the field and he go

964
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: up to you. You'd take a knee and he walk

965
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: up and go hang on a second and just go nicky,

966
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: your eyebrow a little bit sputter of blued, and then

967
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: you go off the field.

968
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: The best one for me was five World Cup ground final.

969
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: We're playing at Wembley and I just bought so many

970
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 2: great memories because my mum's English. I remember going across

971
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: and when I was about twelve thirteen and me went,

972
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: I was tall there and they've got the you know

973
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 2: the number of steps up before the other when the

974
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: soccer guys get up the top raise the trophy, there's

975
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: same many steps you walk up. And because I was

976
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: still at school and they said, oh the Aussie kids

977
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: take these other kids up, so I'm out walking up

978
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: and they switched on a crowd of ninety thousand people

979
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: and I remember picking up the trophy, give it a

980
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 2: kiss like this, and I walked off and they said

981
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: give it back. These kids could have a bit of

982
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: a goa. So in the back of my mind, I

983
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 2: still remember my dad had a code ake camera back then,

984
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: going going, my son will play you one day, and

985
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: I end up doing that. I flew Mum, dad across

986
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 2: and crazy about the game. As you said, any side

987
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: of blood and moose come up by eighteen stitches here

988
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: again the whole wait, the whole year was stitched. And

989
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: he goes, what do you think. I went, yeah. So

990
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: I remember go and seeing doctor and I said, give

991
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: me a scalpel, you do it. He goes, give it me,

992
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: and I remember going in. I went nick and this

993
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: blood just went smashing, tied it up and bose. I

994
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: said give me twenty and I went hard as I

995
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: go first twenty and then sheriff come on, took the

996
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: tape off, but it's sort of concealed a bit. So

997
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: he went like that and I started poor, did a

998
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: fire whole game. So when the we win the Grand Final,

999
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: we're on the drink for two days. My eye is

1000
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: a mess. I come back to Sydney and I got

1001
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: like a plastic surgeon. He looks down. He goes, son,

1002
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: this is the neatest cut I've ever scene. And I'm thinking, mate,

1003
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: you don't want to know.

1004
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 4: It's funny, isn't it? Like how coaches exploit the rule.

1005
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: Obviously now they've got the hi a rule where you

1006
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: can get a free to change if somebody's had a

1007
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: head knock mate, Like you just know, sometimes someone gets

1008
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 3: to half knock and he lays down.

1009
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: Changed. Bozo was the king, so it was like Grid one.

1010
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: We put Cliff you on for attack and then you

1011
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: can't defense and we take your ma.

1012
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: He would have got dizzy like yeah, in like ninety

1013
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: seven we played you guys, I'm sorry to actually was

1014
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: ninety five and you're getting we're getting repeat sets. But

1015
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: every time we put the ball in the end goal

1016
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: repeat sets two of the mainly Fords to put their

1017
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: hands off straight change and then we could get another

1018
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: repeat set change again. It was unlimited. So back in

1019
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: the ninety of the two thousand Grand Final, I think

1020
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: Brisbane made forty something like forty eight so AFL replacements.

1021
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure this. Remember some of the blokes over the years.

1022
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Tommy Tom Rodono. Guess now you were

1023
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: ground you you were ground zero as far as cattle

1024
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: dog you were, you were you threw the first part.

1025
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the bill like you don't know the build

1026
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: up actually be because my throat it feels like.

1027
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 4: It's a great no, that's quietly.

1028
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: He meets someone, Tom Donica, first first day we get

1029
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: in the camp and he goes, oh if these blokes

1030
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: and he's and he swore in front of his threat.

1031
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: He has excuse me, and he goes, okay, that's we're

1032
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna bash them. It's okay, yeah, they don't

1033
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: get your gear on. We're going out makes you we're

1034
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: good gear. So we go out right. I remember dragging

1035
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: him out of some place six o'clock in the morning

1036
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: and he's to wear the glasses. He had the string anyway,

1037
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: so I remember sitting there. He goes, okay, and we're

1038
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: gonna have a call and you're gonna call the cattle

1039
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 2: log and we used to do it and we're gonna

1040
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: do it. And then I mean, Joey goes, maybe we're

1041
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 2: not doing We can't do that. Tommy, he goes, we're

1042
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: doing it. So game one we won. The second game,

1043
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: I think we won going to Game three. I thinking myself,

1044
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: this plug is going to call the cattle loog and

1045
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to throw the punch because I'm thinking, well,

1046
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: the chief throw, I'm gonna do it. So I remember

1047
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: the way the game is going. We've got to appenally

1048
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: on the other side, sitting football stay and I ran

1049
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: up and Clint, what's your name? Played for the These

1050
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: are the crushes when they are great side. I can't

1051
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: clinton more, no, no, I can't eaven the guys. I

1052
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: put him asleep and he come for an end bang.

1053
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 2: And remember we did a backline play and I'm sucking

1054
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: worms out of the grass and the winger dropped the

1055
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: ball and going, oh, how good's this? And I remember

1056
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: the trainer running on. He's on CADLE Live Live. So

1057
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: I remember I got I said, Chief, I've got it,

1058
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: because we they seriously will we used to fight for

1059
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: the strike back then you can actually step on the

1060
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: win the basic where the eighteen twenty MILLI studs where

1061
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: we'd fight for the strike side, right, I said, Chief,

1062
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,479
Speaker 2: I've got it. And I remember saying to Beaver, Beaver,

1063
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: don't hold on so hard my right, and I said

1064
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: the Joey stayed loose Cadalo is your kid and the

1065
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: poor bugger come on? Was that Craig Smith from Miller

1066
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: war or Saint George la Warre And he's just come

1067
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: on And I thought of this. It was only about

1068
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: three cameras back then, Maddy like, now there's there everywhere

1069
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: camera over there. And as he's gone to buyd on,

1070
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: he was just going whack. I threw this punch. Was

1071
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: that best punch. It's the only punch is ever landed.

1072
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: And he's on the ground convaulting, and then I'm sort

1073
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: of throwing punches and then he remember Joey tried to

1074
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: they got Y got the ship. But the crazy thing

1075
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: about it was Tommy gets me a head of lock

1076
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: off the game. He was a mad smoker like camels,

1077
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: like the breath of forty our stageans, and he got

1078
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: me here like I love you, I said, Tommy, you

1079
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: want to get me silent? Anyway, I did get sided.

1080
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: Bozo pulled a few strings. Yes, the next time we

1081
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: played that Saint George Laauri. He chased me everywhere that

1082
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: he chased me everywhere, and I grabbed me into the

1083
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 2: size that made Unfortunately you were the cattle mate.

1084
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Funny look you just said about Bozo there in the judiciary.

1085
00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: He's another thing like that. You guys find well, it's funny,

1086
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: but how unusual it is for these days. I remember

1087
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: once it was after the Test match because we played

1088
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: the Origin. You got suspended and we played the Test

1089
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: match and you still had a bit of suspension to

1090
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: run or there was a pool, I forget what it was. Anyway,

1091
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: the head of the judiciary walks in and uh, and

1092
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: Bozo's there, and Bozo goes and I'm standing talk to this.

1093
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: Blake walks up and Boo goes, oh fucking here he is.

1094
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: He he goes, Bob, you know, it's nice to meet you.

1095
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, plae, which I could say the same.

1096
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: He goes and this is awkward silence. Anyway, the judiciary

1097
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: is so nice. He just goes, Bob. I'd just like

1098
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: to say this, I've admired your career all the way

1099
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: through and it's just like dreaning to meet you. He goes,

1100
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: oh fucking you hear that, Maddie. Listen to that.

1101
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: How fucking embarrassing.

1102
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: Listen to this bloke fucking trying to worm me in

1103
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: the good books fu made. I'm telling you now, spots

1104
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: going to judiciary. I'll tell you what if you want

1105
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: to remain my friend, he be able to get off.

1106
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 4: Did tell me how the candle. For one second did

1107
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 4: Beaver throw a punch?

1108
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: Beav good, please, But the other worst injury he ever

1109
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: got was a cork. Seriously, he I remember this particularly year,

1110
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: as I said, nine ninety five, this poor eye of mine.

1111
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: I took one hundred and eighty stitches for Beaver. He

1112
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: scored same. He tries and I got one hundred and

1113
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: eighty stitches. But I remember one time I was playing

1114
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: second row actually in ninety four, when I got the

1115
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: used to switch bit, and Bozo had this thing about

1116
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 2: blind side second rowers, and Beaver was a blind side,

1117
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: and I'm absolutely rude. I said, Beaver, let me have

1118
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 2: a rest, so I packed in. We win the game,

1119
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: go the train, we said. This little it was probably

1120
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: as big as this room. And Bozo had this bloody

1121
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: high chair and I'd sit here, I'm sort of watching

1122
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 2: the video and it goes past, and he just goes,

1123
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: it's just frozen. I'm gone, I can feel the present,

1124
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 2: this preck look, and I'm going and I'm like, he goes, he's.

1125
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 5: A blind time, second round, do your job. I look

1126
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 5: at Beleeve for booze. Then I love about Bleaver. Maddie

1127
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 5: just pisses me off. In life these days, you've got

1128
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 5: to earn respects. So be was the sort of guy

1129
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 5: it'd only answer the question when you asked that he

1130
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 5: wouldn't sort of come in blah blah blah.

1131
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 2: Just leave these young kids now, mate. It's just it's

1132
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: not just RB League, it's life in general.

1133
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: Respect it was, but it was terrifying going into the

1134
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: first grade side in the NRL because you'd walk in

1135
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: there and all these places to be sort of giant figures,

1136
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: and you just sat there, just shut your mouth until

1137
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: you're spoken to remember. Remember third game in ninety five,

1138
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: Second game in ninety five, the game at the mcg

1139
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: words starts to fiddle through to Gus that mate, they're

1140
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: going to double down, Fatty's got, they're going to double down.

1141
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: They're going to actually they boot us in game one.

1142
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: We're going to get out there and go two. We're

1143
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: going to throw them off completely. We're going to bat.

1144
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: We're going to put a stink on in the first

1145
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: couple of minutes. Right, So he goes right, So he

1146
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: brings in a boxing trainer and he's got everyone like

1147
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: in the box and bits over that. So the starting

1148
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: lineup beams the starting lineup right, and they're going on

1149
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: a line of guses watching and Beaver is literally going yeah.

1150
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: It's like he's knocking, you're noting. The door just sits

1151
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 1: there and goes yeah, until I'm going to do boys,

1152
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to put Beaver on the bench and don't pay.

1153
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: You're going to start start you're thinking about that game.

1154
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: That's I actually finally made Origin ninety five fine my

1155
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 2: first game, and then we went down mainly we played

1156
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: Canbra down there and remember Sea four overlog was that

1157
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: slippery and they first went down on one side. As

1158
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: he went the pass, he sort of drifted from down

1159
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: bam and I got one week for that. So I

1160
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: missed out the Origin because of that hit.

1161
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: It's time everything called tough talk, where we covered a

1162
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: couple of these off, but this is one where we

1163
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: need a response.

1164
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: The tough questions, A tough question, have you done your research?

1165
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: Dad puts his journalist's hat back on, get back on. Yeah,

1166
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: the buzz Rothfield quest.

1167
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: Toughest many of the playing is no, we've already. We'll

1168
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: talk about that a little later on on Loan Survivor.

1169
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: But the softest, softest play it. We've already talked about that. Okay,

1170
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: were this one. But the great front rowers of your era,

1171
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: I want you to rank them one to five Glen Lazarus,

1172
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: Ian Roberts, Paul Harrigan, Mark Carroll, Shame Webke. Okay, So firstly,

1173
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: let's go, where do you rank Ian Roberts as far as.

1174
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: One to five? Probably well at that bunch, probably five.

1175
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: Number five? Okay? Who you're at?

1176
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 2: Number four? Probably the chief? Four, three or four?

1177
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah right, I'm going four. Okay, uh shame web Key.

1178
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: Where have you got him? Two? Mark Carroll? Where does

1179
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: he in?

1180
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 2: Three? Three? The chief? Okay?

1181
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: And that means Glenn Lazarus number one?

1182
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: He was.

1183
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 4: Do you have him as the best front of all time?

1184
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's he won? Me? Grand finals? He won four

1185
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: grand finals? Different sides to see him. I tour with

1186
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 2: him ninety what he did with the ponmmies. But one

1187
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: drill he did teach me, and I've always done that

1188
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: is because he's maybe he was so good mobile mobile

1189
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: and he was he never landing his back. It was

1190
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: all this on his tummy. Quick play the ball, get up.

1191
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: But there was like a ten meter routine. I know,

1192
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: you guys us do different things. Run ten, hit the ground, left,

1193
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: ten right, ten back for a minute, set of six

1194
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: and that's just helped me in my game. But he's

1195
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: a cranky prize.

1196
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: How cranky was he made?

1197
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: He was a cranky I remember in like nineteen ninety

1198
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: he came home I think he was in France and

1199
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: he's kicked this bloody chair, went straight through the window, right.

1200
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: But we had to pay his bill. It was part

1201
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: of our thinking. He got away with murder.

1202
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: I turned care once. We'd just been beaten by the

1203
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the Cowboys were struggling in those days, and

1204
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: I walk into camp the first one I see and

1205
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: I go, we go laser and he just went beting

1206
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: by the cowboys. Huh, I went, yeah, he goes fucking dogs.

1207
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: That was it.

1208
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: I remember the one in the ninety eight Origin series.

1209
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: We're going down and Chief in him had had a

1210
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: little bit of words after game one, so we're going

1211
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: down for for game two. Were going down the bond

1212
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: bonding it's going to happen that night, and made Chiefs

1213
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: really agitated, and he's going because he had to deal

1214
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: with you, and then you've gone to England. Now he's

1215
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: able to do with Lasso. He goes, Mate, chimpy. He

1216
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: just keeps saying all the time that he's better than me. Mate,

1217
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to I tell you a week, I

1218
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: don't worry about it.

1219
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: He's going no, no, no.

1220
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: If he starts it, I'm just going to pull him

1221
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: on under.

1222
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: This would be good.

1223
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: So we're at the Bourbon and Booth steak and we're

1224
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: all standing there having to be next minute, Laso just

1225
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: walks up and goes, so, how's it feel to be

1226
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: the second best front rower in this squad? Chief just goes,

1227
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: that's it. Get out in the front.

1228
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 3: I hear all these stories, and because lazies to come

1229
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: to Melbourne storm old old boys days and would come

1230
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: into the sheds after the game, wouldn't I wouldn't be

1231
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: able to pick it from the stories that you talk,

1232
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: just because he's just how nice he is now and

1233
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 3: then you guys tell stories about the house.

1234
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: Chief.

1235
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: So I get out the front. Lass just standing there

1236
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: with his beer, just saying nothing. Anyway, everyone's had to

1237
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: get between them and the press. Knew about it, but

1238
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: nothing got reported. What it did.

1239
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: Question about him? What was the Chief like leading up

1240
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: to that week when we just get on.

1241
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: He was he was always really edgy Chief when going

1242
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: into big games. He was a very good leader, but

1243
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: he would become very insular. He going himself and towards

1244
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: the back end or the middle nineties for Chief, when

1245
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: his body was just failing. He'd barely trained that week,

1246
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: so he gets there like Chief Spider, which a lot

1247
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: of the things that people don't see about Chief was

1248
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: the fact that what it took him to get on

1249
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: the paddock. So but that last year he played in

1250
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: the last two years ninety eight and he played a

1251
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: quarter of the season ninety nine and just pulled the pin.

1252
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: He would turn up to training before everyone and just

1253
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: be on the Massos table being rubbed. He'd sit there

1254
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: and wait about ten minutes in he'd just go and

1255
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: start walking up and down the hill at Newcastle, and

1256
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: then he'd come and join in the last ten minutes

1257
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: of war work and then go back on the Massas table.

1258
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: He just that was every training session and you just going,

1259
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: how can he? How can he do this? When he

1260
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: was playing against you? He knew what was coming, The

1261
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: coach knew it was coming, We all knew what was coming,

1262
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: and so he just wouldn't train it all.

1263
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: I thought it's going to happen again. Nineteen ninety nine.

1264
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: I came back and played the Souse and we're playing

1265
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: Newcastle and it was all the papers, you know, spun

1266
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: in the chief and all the nervous energy gets gets

1267
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: into it and then we'll get the game. And he

1268
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: pulls out and Lomax, one of the Lomak's brothers, Dave,

1269
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: and I've been out for four weeks, and but that

1270
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: would bring up. Didn't say much, Sun, your time's going

1271
01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: to the other bit. Hit him by the shoulder charge

1272
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: so remember the gallow kicked off, gallows pies kicks off,

1273
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: snapped this plague and hit him in my head, I

1274
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: think it's the chief and I hit him straight on

1275
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: the chin snoor and we get the ball back when

1276
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: they came that year. But remember the next next game

1277
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: was up at North Queensland and john Waymax. Remember he

1278
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: was a dirty bars to dirty bars. Anyway, he's come

1279
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: out to pay. I'm going to give it this Mark Carroll,

1280
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: for give him my brother a servant, I said, that gallo.

1281
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to drop this blake anyway. Mate, he was

1282
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: snoring so loud. I guess what I got picked the

1283
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: next week in Origin so good, so bad luck?

1284
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: What are some of the get and Chief retired after

1285
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: that game too. That's how sitting the game we played

1286
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: Cronald the next Memories in the Shed came up and

1287
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: he just in tears, and I thought, I don't tell

1288
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: me he's how he's lost five dollars? Really?

1289
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 2: Mate?

1290
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: He go to Sizzler, and mate, he just we walk

1291
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: into and he just go and people we're every wedning

1292
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: you cast people go to the Chief. So we walk

1293
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: into Sizzler and go, yeah, I might have the habbachi

1294
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: chicken with the shrimp fry and the side with the

1295
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: potato no soal cream, and I'll get the sala bar

1296
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: as well. No go, no problem with Harrigan. That is

1297
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: twenty five bucks and.

1298
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: You go, h.

1299
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: How's about half price? And people you see him just

1300
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: go and they go, oh okay.

1301
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 3: One of the boys that storm talk about tight asses

1302
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 3: used to at Cheeky Monkey's, our local cafe. When you

1303
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 3: add avocado to the chili scrambled eggs. You used to

1304
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 3: be about five or six bucks. Avocado these days very

1305
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 3: expensive when you go to a cafe. So there was

1306
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 3: a Wallers across the road.

1307
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 4: He used to order it and then run across the road,

1308
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 4: get an avocado and give it to the chef to

1309
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 4: cut up and put on his thing because it was

1310
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 4: only two.

1311
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: Dollars from me. That's like someone who buys vodka at

1312
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: a bottler because it's cheaper, and then and then he

1313
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: might walk into a pub.

1314
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 4: He's sitting in this room as well, Jake, Okay, right.

1315
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: As far as front rowers, right, and I'm going to

1316
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: say softest front rowers. But which if you had to

1317
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: pick a front row you played against that you could

1318
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: play against him every single week? Who would it be?

1319
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: Every single week?

1320
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could play You can pick a player that

1321
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: you've played against, and you can play against that front

1322
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: rower every single week. Which wonder you select?

1323
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 5: Ah?

1324
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 2: Well, the Chief always brought the best of me. But

1325
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: if I could do that every game, far out.

1326
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 4: Of the buggered, Yeah, it would be a long season

1327
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 4: before on.

1328
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 2: But I said, I'm glad in my life that he's

1329
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: one of my mates. Now, yeah, not many people can

1330
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: say that. You guys just out of each other but

1331
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, as soon as we

1332
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: cross that line, that was it. Like he caught me

1333
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 2: when I lost my father. I did the same with

1334
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: him when you lost your dad, and so shows our

1335
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: life is so short. But then I said, the chief

1336
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 2: we formed in a legacy and I'm proud that half

1337
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: of that.

1338
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool like it is when you look back

1339
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 3: in your career now, Spud, Like in the moment, you

1340
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 3: have so much competitive juices and so it's your opposition

1341
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 3: front row where you're competing for rep spots like to

1342
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 3: that in your in that moment, it's everything.

1343
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 4: You're so angry, but.

1344
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: You know he's Muhammad Ali, Muhammad Ali without Joe Frasier.

1345
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: Joe Frasier, I think it drives you to be the

1346
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: best version of the best player, right, certainly.

1347
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 2: Talking about Mahammad Ali. The great Russell Waite over in

1348
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: the over for the Cinderella Man was Angli.

1349
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: Dundee Angelo jer who's a legendary trainer.

1350
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: Remember I met him. He had these bed wayans and

1351
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 2: he's always rubbing handle like this, but he's held the

1352
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: bads for the greatest that being Muhammad Ali. And I

1353
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: remember he said, because I got this Braddick. He goes

1354
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 2: and stand in front of that food, so I stand

1355
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: on the front and back. Then they used to fight

1356
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: like this. It was like a silhouette and he goes,

1357
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: you are this cat, you are this cat. I wan

1358
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: calm down, but made to have him there. Yeah, I know,

1359
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: we're just going back to Cinerolla. Man Russell thought he

1360
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: was a boxer. He's such a method actor. He's just

1361
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: move and move, and it was. It was just one

1362
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 2: of those great things. But they learned so much from

1363
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: because he knew that era of fighting.

1364
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, dundee, Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, So but okay, is

1365
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: it true? Because Bose I would always give it to this.

1366
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: It was a big running joke in the map. Did

1367
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: you wear hair gel in your head during training and games?

1368
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: But never heard it was moose?

1369
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: Moose?

1370
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: Also after shave.

1371
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 4: Did you have to show any game?

1372
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: I love it. I love after shave. I was scored

1373
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: about seventy times a day.

1374
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah that's the next question.

1375
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1376
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: I would always go, look at embarrassing. We're going to

1377
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: do some fitness. So he sweats and the moose goes

1378
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: into his eyes.

1379
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: I can't help, but I've got hair A lot of

1380
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: bikes have got no hair. People say I die my hair. No,

1381
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 2: I've actually the funniest. When I was about third ay

1382
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 2: and I remember my dad come home. He had a

1383
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 2: perm It looks fuck. I don't even get a pern pern.

1384
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: And I went to school and I called me Mike Brady.

1385
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 2: I said one of those forks. Oh yeah, against the fork,

1386
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 2: and then and then another one. When I was in

1387
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 2: England nine for the line of the Broncos on bored

1388
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: and I said, like, only to die my hair. She

1389
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: has just gone and do it. So I went like

1390
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 2: a nice salon and I paid a shipload for it.

1391
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: I'm as wide as your shirt because it took so

1392
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: long because my hair is so thick. Anyway, I remember

1393
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: coming home and my dad rings up, but he's had

1394
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: my hair within two weeks. I look like a skun

1395
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: because all the roots started growing. Oh my gosh.

1396
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: Okay, but the after shave seventy five sprays a day,

1397
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: seventy seventy sorry, that's now still super.

1398
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: Go through one hundred million, about one hundred about the

1399
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 2: week and a half. Wow, I've got different for certain days. Yeah.

1400
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: So I've got one in my car, the one I

1401
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: use at the gym is a Backham range. You get

1402
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: the cheap fifthteen bucks. They smell fantastic.

1403
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: That's that's the Beckham for training, Beckham for training.

1404
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: But the main ones I like a chanel I've got

1405
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: and my last one I've just bought. It was a

1406
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: ship out of money was Creed Adventus. It's big money.

1407
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what. It's a pants puller.

1408
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 4: Yes, good, yeah, that trash. That's a great and this

1409
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 4: isn't even a livery. So that if anyone's listening.

1410
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: Finished with probably going to do a thing, will learn

1411
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: survivor can you.

1412
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 4: I'll explain it right.

1413
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 3: So what happens is the category for this one is

1414
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 3: the toughest play you've ever shared a field with shared

1415
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: So that will give you two options. You pick between

1416
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 3: them and then it's just kind of another option. You

1417
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 3: keep picking until left with one. Before we start this,

1418
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 3: can I ask you one question? Who do you see

1419
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 3: in the modern game right now? Who's the toughest player?

1420
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 2: Toughest player?

1421
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the modern game right Wow, he's so hard

1422
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 4: to pick.

1423
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 2: I've got some favorites, but they're not They're tough in

1424
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: their own way, but they're not really tough I like

1425
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 2: for showers.

1426
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 4: He's pretty tough and.

1427
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 2: He blake against the tailor on the calf. I heard

1428
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 2: a great story about him that he it was it'd

1429
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: always been late for training and why because he was

1430
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: coming from work and then he'd have to catch a

1431
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 2: train and he used to run to the penrith. Anyway,

1432
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 2: Gus end up getting him the job, and it's just

1433
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 2: the After about three months he rung up the place.

1434
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 2: He was a mechanic and the mechanic said, mate, I'll

1435
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: see what can you send me a few more at

1436
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: this bloke penal You can see the way he plays

1437
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 2: crazy incredible. Yeah.

1438
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're going to go the toughest play you

1439
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 1: share a field with. Okay, to start with Steve Folks

1440
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: or Paul Serin, Folksy, Steve Folks or Peter Tunks, Steve,

1441
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: Steve Folks, Glenn Lazarus, Lasa, Glenn Lazarus, Trevor Gillmeister.

1442
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: He cut me on half ones and they cut my

1443
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: leg and half. I'll go Gilly for his.

1444
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: Defense, Okay, Trevor Gill, Trevor Gillmeister, Steve Roach blocker.

1445
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 2: Wow, we've got blocker that left hand of his but

1446
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 2: Bundy used to get along quite a bit.

1447
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: But well that's the next one. Steve Blocker, Roach, Les,

1448
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,839
Speaker 1: Davidson Bundy.

1449
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: He was one of my one lolls going down to

1450
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: the south. So I just to try and grab my

1451
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: head with the mullet I tried to grow mo. I

1452
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: can only get about four hairs looking. The crazy thing

1453
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 2: is in those zeros in the and walking going either

1454
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: say dubble here you going, Bundy, I'm going, mate, Sorry,

1455
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 2: but appreciate the confidence of that. But I'm actually Mark Carroll.

1456
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: That fight he and blocking with their head.

1457
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 2: But audio.

1458
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: Blocker John Lom, Max, Les david Get Bundy. Sorry, sorry,

1459
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm not good at this, John Loo, Max or Bundy,

1460
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: Les Davidson Bundy or Quentin Ponger. So okay, Bundy or

1461
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: Ian Roberts, be a good fight, rob Ian Roberts, Paul

1462
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: Harrigan and Roberts Paul Harrigan, I'll got the chief, Yeah, okay,

1463
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: last one. Talk about mismatch and sizes, but the size

1464
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: of the heart the same, Paul Harrigan. Jeff to Vy,

1465
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: you know the research on me there, Jeff threef two.

1466
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: He is the toughest ever made. He's got Calie flailed

1467
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 2: is cal is. I remember I used to get in

1468
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 2: there doing all the work, and get in there and

1469
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: do your works at get him out. I can't get

1470
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 2: in there. He's like a dog on a barn.

1471
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: It's incredible. Congratulations on the beer too. Where can I

1472
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: get it spud wiser dot com.

1473
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 2: But I've just done some jingles. It's very expensive hobby,

1474
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 2: that meaning beer. But when I save a few more

1475
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: jelly beans, I wanted some ads with the thirty second

1476
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 2: by its brilliant Yeah, and the slogans give a butt

1477
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 2: of spuds, so yeah, fantastic.

1478
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: We'll tear what Making beer is expensive exercise and don't

1479
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: worry drinking it these days. Thanks, thank you very much

1480
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 1: for mate a lot of good memories.