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Speaker 1: Apoche Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the She Rises Podcast. I'm Ashy and I'm Tiana.

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Speaker 3: This podcast is about female empowerment and encouraging you to

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Speaker 3: be your biggest, boldest, and most authentic version of yourself.

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Speaker 2: We'd help you shed the shame, grow to new level.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna laugh, cry, and talk about the topics everyone

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Speaker 2: else is too afraid to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Get ready for your next level of self Welcome back

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Speaker 3: to She Rises from your favorite podcasts. We hope a hope,

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Speaker 3: we know we have an epic conversation we want to

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Speaker 3: have today around the Alexandra Cooper effect. This is somebody

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Speaker 3: who's big in the podcast world, big in the podcast industry.

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Speaker 3: She is a pioneer in the field and we just

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Speaker 3: absolutely love her and we want to talk about her

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Speaker 3: like insatiable drive, polarizing power, and the freedom to be yourself.

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Speaker 2: She is one incredible woman and I already like looked

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Speaker 2: up to her because she's obviously the number one female

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Speaker 2: podcast in the world. The guests she gets on there

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Speaker 2: are insane. Literally every celebrity, every person wants to be

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Speaker 2: on her podcast. She's super successful. The contract she got

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Speaker 2: from Spotify absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 1: She's killing it. The co lab.

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Speaker 2: She gets like she's a powerhouse for sure. But the

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Speaker 2: thing I always loved about her and I love even

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Speaker 2: more now after watching her two part documentary series on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't watched her, it's called Call Her Alex.

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Speaker 2: She is one hundred percent herself. Yeah, and she gives

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Speaker 2: absolute zero fus what anyone thinks about her.

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Speaker 1: She does.

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Speaker 2: And she originally started talking, like with her best friend

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Speaker 2: on her podcast, about sex, about the blow job she

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Speaker 2: was giving about her sexual stories. She was so open,

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Speaker 2: so rogue, like, if we talked about that, we, oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, the backlash would get.

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Speaker 1: Oh, actually doesn't care. She doesn't care.

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Speaker 2: And that's how she built her audience. And I believe

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Speaker 2: she built that really strong community because she was so

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Speaker 2: no one else was talking about.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so she was willing to just be honest, yeah,

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Speaker 3: real and authentic about the things that actually happened behind

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Speaker 3: closed doors. When everyone's having those conversations with their girlfriends anyway, yes,

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Speaker 3: but they're just not happening like on a platform like this.

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Speaker 2: And even her mom's a teacher or psychologist, teacher a psychologists,

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, And even mom and dad are fully

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Speaker 2: supporting there. Like, yeah, she's always been open, she's always

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Speaker 2: been in front of the camera. She's always got a

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Speaker 2: always encouraged her to be all of herself. And she

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Speaker 2: got really bullied in school, but when she go home,

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Speaker 2: she was just free to be herself. And she's got

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Speaker 2: all these videos from when she's younger, just having the

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Speaker 2: and dancing. And now look at her doing like her

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Speaker 2: dream job, having these live shows and running this podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's just really cool. It's very cool.

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Speaker 3: I think it was cool to watch the documentary and

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Speaker 3: Like she was always directing and putting these little skits together,

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Speaker 3: putting on all these kids and dressing up with her girlfriends.

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Speaker 3: And like her best friend now, who she used to

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Speaker 3: together now. She's her producer now, yes, which is such

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Speaker 3: so plugged in, to like do what they were doing

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Speaker 1: It's so cool. It really is cool.

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Speaker 2: It was really inspiring for us because there has been

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Speaker 2: some episodes that we have recorded and then not gone

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Speaker 2: ahead with them because of fear, fear of judgment, fear

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Speaker 2: of being canceled, fear of what people think of us,

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Speaker 2: known for that one particular podcast episode. We had a conversation, hey,

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Speaker 2: then we watched this, you were like, oh, that kind

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Speaker 1: Honestly, because she literally.

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Speaker 2: anything she's talking about. She has not been canceled for

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Speaker 3: It was really cool actually because the content that she

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Speaker 3: used to post, which was like like what you mentioned

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Speaker 3: talking about Dixon, like the std sdis sdis and STDs

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Speaker 1: Caught, you know, all the ones that she got.

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Speaker 3: You know, she'd jump on a stage and like scream

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Speaker 3: out like you know, things that happened, you know, back

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Speaker 3: it was so funny because it did it completely squashed

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Speaker 1: Sure like they're in their own kind of box.

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Speaker 3: But then there's this woman who's like this pioneer in

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Speaker 3: She's talking about sex and this and that, and like

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Speaker 3: people take her seriously. She's fun and playful and big

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Speaker 3: the world. And it's so interesting because I remember watching

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just find it's so cool.

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Speaker 3: It really helped me remove the limitations that I put

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Speaker 3: kind of came from me having my coaching business and thinking,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, I have to be serious and I

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Speaker 3: have to be coached Tiana, and I have to be

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Speaker 3: what I was surrounded by in the quote unquote coaching industry.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm just like fuck that, Like why all of them?

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, okay, cool, how can I like bring

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Speaker 2: And part of your personality is very playful, so playful,

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Speaker 2: it's very silly, it's very sarcastic, it's very unhinged. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's like, I love that about you. Why would everyone

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Speaker 2: the business people that you were just speaking about. They

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Speaker 2: also go on her podcast yeah to talk about business.

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Speaker 2: They do talk about their lives, talk about how they

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Speaker 2: got to where they are, and it doesn't matter anything

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also cool that highlights to me also

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Speaker 3: is just another piece of evidence of like, Okay, if

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Speaker 1: You would die. Everything is you would die conversations. Oh

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Speaker 3: Like, I've never had so much more fun in my life.

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Speaker 2: Literally, it feels so liberating and free just to like

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Speaker 2: say whatever comes out you just it's going to be received.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just cool just to bring more of

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Speaker 2: work in progress. I wouldn't say where where Alex is at. No,

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Speaker 3: And then there's also a lot of pushback, Like people

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Speaker 3: They don't care about what they say this freemom speech,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Yeah, it's a lot of projections. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Yeah again, like what you said, we're not here to

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Speaker 2: It's not going to stop us doing our thing anyways.

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Speaker 2: If you think it's going to bring us down and

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Speaker 2: you think we're gonna stop talking, we're not.

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Speaker 1: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: Just Gone thousand and two is just starting, like just

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Speaker 1: But it's cool. It's definitely cool. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I've seen a world of change, even just in myself,

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Speaker 3: like speaking to myself, a world of change in myself

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Speaker 3: since doing she rises. Yeah, of like how much more

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Speaker 3: like with so many people listening. Yeah, you know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: I know, listen back, We're like, wow, we went there.

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Speaker 1: It was a really rogue episode. It's very sexual. It

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Speaker 2: You know. What I also loved about her is just

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Speaker 1: She still edits all of her podcasts.

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Speaker 3: And she intentionally positioned herself in that way. She knew

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Speaker 2: I think they're so comfortable opening up about their life

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's beautiful. We all want more of that. We

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Speaker 2: Not only does she have the podcast deal, she now

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Speaker 3: I remember in the documentary she talks about the merchandise. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Like he is so supportive of her being her full self,

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Speaker 1: They just let her be who she is, literally, and

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Speaker 1: like everyone's having sex, everyone's doing that. She's talking about it. Yes,

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Speaker 3: And her partner is also her business partner, yes, which

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