WEBVTT - Barnaby Joyce’s big move

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<v Speaker 1>When we heard news that Barnaby Joyce was quitting the

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<v Speaker 1>Nationals with a rumored moved to one nation on the

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<v Speaker 1>cards when you would cover it with our friend in Canberra,

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Remikis. But the more we talked about it, there

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<v Speaker 1>was someone else who needed to hear from.

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<v Speaker 2>Two Tony Winsor speaking Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Daniel James from seven Am. Barnaby's old sparring partner

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<v Speaker 1>and the former Member for New England. Tony Windsor was

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<v Speaker 1>loading cattle when we called and he said a move

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<v Speaker 1>to one nation would make perfect sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Very pleased for him. That is finally found Israel home.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the sort of old western Queensland Emperor Marva

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<v Speaker 2>will suit him with one nation. I think, I think

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<v Speaker 2>why Barnaby Joyce a going to have difficulty is explaining

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<v Speaker 2>why he's doing it. Traditionally he hasn't been a racist,

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<v Speaker 2>and the very existent of one nation is about racism

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<v Speaker 2>and the condemnation of the various religious groups, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>You find someone to pick on and blame them for

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<v Speaker 2>all the problems. I just get.

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<v Speaker 1>Joyce's decision to quit the Nationals comes after months of

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<v Speaker 1>speculation and very public declarations of admiration from Pauling Hanson

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<v Speaker 1>in the media, all culminating with a waggy steak cooked

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<v Speaker 1>on a sandwich press earlier this week, Tony windsor, when

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<v Speaker 1>was the last time someone cooked you a prime cut

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<v Speaker 1>of wag you at Parliament House?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I couldn't get over the two years wag steak

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<v Speaker 2>was absolutely classic. And Joyce historically has always said that

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<v Speaker 2>he was there to represent the people in the weatherboard

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<v Speaker 2>and iron, you know they're not so well off, or

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<v Speaker 2>the poor, and Hanson of course to represent those in

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<v Speaker 2>the political process that bypassed and anybody that hates anything

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<v Speaker 2>they could find a place to dwell there. And here

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<v Speaker 2>they are eating the most expensive place of meat that

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<v Speaker 2>you can buy in her office. I couldn't get over

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<v Speaker 2>the graphics of all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>If Joyce Lee flailing nationals for an ascended one nation,

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<v Speaker 1>is he training another shot at power for a dose

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<v Speaker 1>of publicity or will it be part of a new

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<v Speaker 1>conservative force that will reshape the country. I'm Daniel James

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<v Speaker 1>and you're listening to seven AM today. Contributing editor for

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<v Speaker 1>The New Daily Amory Meekers on the ramifications of Barnaby

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<v Speaker 1>bailing on the Nationals. It's Friday, November twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>So after thirty years with the National Party, I am

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<v Speaker 3>resigning from the party. That really leads me with a

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<v Speaker 3>heavy heart, and I apologize for all the hurt that

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<v Speaker 3>that will cause other people. I really do.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy, thanks for joining me. We've known this was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>But can you lay out for us what reasons Barnaby

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<v Speaker 1>Joyce gave for his defection.

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't really give a lot of concrete reasons. It's

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<v Speaker 4>really just a vibes because Barnaby Joyce has got everything

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<v Speaker 4>that he has wanted from the National Party and from

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<v Speaker 4>the Coalition more broadly. His main argument when he kicked

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<v Speaker 4>all of this off about five weeks ago was that

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<v Speaker 4>he really really wanted them to scrap net zero. The

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<v Speaker 4>reason it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is incredibly bad is because what it is doing to

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<v Speaker 3>our nation, the industrializing our nation, putting the poor into poverty,

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<v Speaker 3>putting them out of their house, destroying farmland.

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<v Speaker 4>They have done that, not just the Nationals but also

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<v Speaker 4>the Liberal Party. And then it just became more of oh, well,

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<v Speaker 4>he thinks they're not going far enough to fight for

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<v Speaker 4>regional people. But he can't really give many concrete examples

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<v Speaker 4>of what that means, because a lot of the retoric

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<v Speaker 4>that we have heard from the coalition over the last

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<v Speaker 4>couple of months has come straight from Barnaby's mouth. So

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<v Speaker 4>really this came down to the fact that Barnaby was

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<v Speaker 4>feeling slighted, that Barnaby Joyce felt like his ascendancy to

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<v Speaker 4>the National Party leadership was completely cut off and over

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<v Speaker 4>which it is. So in the end he just basically

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<v Speaker 4>had a tantrum and quit.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we look at his legacy with the Nationals,

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<v Speaker 1>the decision by then to scrap net zero had Joyce's

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprints all over it. Would that have happened without him?

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<v Speaker 4>No, it wouldn't have happened without him. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>actual responsibility and the actual dirty fingerprints here belonged to

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<v Speaker 4>the Labor Party. Labor actually kind of set this all

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<v Speaker 4>in train when they decided to put up Barnaby Joyce's

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<v Speaker 4>Private Member's Bill to scrap net zero up for debate,

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<v Speaker 4>which is something that they did every single week that

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<v Speaker 4>Parliament sat.

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<v Speaker 3>I present the Repeal Net zero Bill twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>and explanatory memorandum. I move that this bill being now read.

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<v Speaker 4>It was with the intent of causing as much internal

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<v Speaker 4>rock within the Liberal Party and the Coalition more broadly

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<v Speaker 4>as possible. They wanted to have as many Coalition MPs

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<v Speaker 4>as they could have the opportunity to stand up there

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<v Speaker 4>and talk about why they did not agree with the

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<v Speaker 4>coalition's policy as well.

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<v Speaker 5>I always stand by the comments of the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 5>I like some of those opposite, I care never to

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<v Speaker 5>stand by the commitments of their leader. I mean, yesterday

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<v Speaker 5>we had the advising example of the Coalition running out

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<v Speaker 5>of the chamber so they didn't have to vote differently

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<v Speaker 5>on the net zero.

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<v Speaker 4>No labor wanted this, They fostered it. They gave everybody

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<v Speaker 4>the opportunity to create this situation, and Barnaby Joyce took

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of glee in that. So he basically did

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<v Speaker 4>what he does, which is wrecked the place, but also

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<v Speaker 4>try and claim that he's doing it for the sake

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<v Speaker 4>of people. This is just the people speaking, and everybody

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<v Speaker 4>who speaks like mind within the coalition joined him. It

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<v Speaker 4>became an untenable situation for Susan Lee to try and

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<v Speaker 4>pretend that there wasn't a split. To save her leadership

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<v Speaker 4>for a few more months at least, she agreed to

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<v Speaker 4>allow the vote, and here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>As you mentioned, Amy Joyce is nothing if not while

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<v Speaker 1>and he's seen the riding on the wall, especially with

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<v Speaker 1>the Nationals calling for generational change within the Parliamentary party.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you think they will be celebrating his departure.

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<v Speaker 4>I've spoken to quite a few Nationals MPs and they're

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<v Speaker 4>in two minds about it. There is the point of

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<v Speaker 4>view that maybe the party room becomes a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>more settled now that David Little Proud isn't being directly

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<v Speaker 4>challenged by Barnaby Joyce. But there are still people like

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<v Speaker 4>Matt Canavan who are in the Nationals party who were

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<v Speaker 4>very much in the Barnaby Joyce mold of Nationals politicians

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<v Speaker 4>who are going to continue that line of pushback.

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<v Speaker 6>I suppose so support fine zero's dropping off a cliff.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, there was a poll this couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 6>ago show that net zero and has net zero support.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a big turnaround in just a few months, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think Barnaby's played a big role in that and

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<v Speaker 6>pointing out the fact that this net zero promise we're

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<v Speaker 6>made is not delivering. It's just not working for the

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<v Speaker 6>Australian people because they've seen there are.

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<v Speaker 4>Others who feel that Barnaby Joyce is going to cause

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<v Speaker 4>more problems for the Nationals outside of the party because

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<v Speaker 4>he has no rains anymore. He can say whatever he

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<v Speaker 4>wants and in doing so drag the Nationals further to

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<v Speaker 4>the right or further to his position, just by sucking

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<v Speaker 4>up that oxygen and saying why are they not doing this?

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<v Speaker 4>But then there are others who were just kind of like,

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<v Speaker 4>see you later. This has been an absolute mess. The

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<v Speaker 4>Nationals are losing relevancy in their communities, they are losing members,

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<v Speaker 4>and Barnaby Joyce is a big reason for that. So

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<v Speaker 4>they're hoping that maybe they get a bit of a

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<v Speaker 4>fresh start. But I think looking at the situation, that

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<v Speaker 4>might be a bit of a naive hopeful view because

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<v Speaker 4>the Nationals don't seem to be unhooking themselves from Barnaby's positions,

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<v Speaker 4>despite the fact that he's no longer in the party.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, If Hanson's and Joyce's powers are combined, how

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<v Speaker 1>potent the force could one nation become. I mean, let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Barnaby Joyce's values and his record. If you

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<v Speaker 1>look at how he spent his political energy, what are

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<v Speaker 1>the issues he really cares about and where does he

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<v Speaker 1>naturally belong the issues.

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<v Speaker 4>That Barnaby Joyce really cares about is Barnaby Joyce. There's

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<v Speaker 4>no real giant philosophy to Barnaby Joyce's political decisions. He

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<v Speaker 4>has been against marriage equality, you know, for the sanctity

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<v Speaker 4>of marriage, despite what he was doing to his own marriage.

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<v Speaker 4>He has been against privatization and then he's voted for it.

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<v Speaker 4>He has been for farmers' rights, but then he's put

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<v Speaker 4>mining ahead of that. He has been for investment, but

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<v Speaker 4>now he's against net zero. Barnaby Joyce doesn't really have

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<v Speaker 4>a position, but he does have excellent rhetoric. He's an

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<v Speaker 4>accountant who has donned in a kubra and convinced everybody

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<v Speaker 4>that he is a farmer. And he does a really

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<v Speaker 4>good job of talking to people as if he is

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<v Speaker 4>salt of the earth, the weatherboard and iron. That he's

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<v Speaker 4>only ever talking about regional people and that he understands them,

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<v Speaker 4>but he only reflects the views of the people who

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<v Speaker 4>agree with him. So Barnaby represents Barnaby and in that case,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean one Nation is probably an okay fit, especially

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<v Speaker 4>if Pauline Hansen does retire, you know, she is not

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<v Speaker 4>exactly young, she's tired, she doesn't come to a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the parliamentary sittings, and she's enjoying sort of a

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<v Speaker 4>second career as a conservative darling, speaking at Mara Lago

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<v Speaker 4>and Seapac conferences around the world. So he would enjoy

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<v Speaker 4>one nation if he could lead it. But Barnaby Joyce

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<v Speaker 4>has always had other people around him who were competent

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<v Speaker 4>enough to clean up the messes, to keep all of

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<v Speaker 4>the other responsibilities of running a party going. He's not

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<v Speaker 4>going to have that in one nation. So it will

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<v Speaker 4>be interesting to see if Barnaby Joyce can remain Barnaby

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<v Speaker 4>Joyce if he does end up defecting to one nation

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<v Speaker 4>as expected, or even if he maintains enough relevancy as

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<v Speaker 4>an independent.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, let's talk about Barnaby whether he can be

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<v Speaker 1>Barnaby with one nation.

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<v Speaker 4>Do we want him to be Barnaby?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fair question that the same day he shared

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<v Speaker 1>that now famous steak dinner with Pauline Hanson, Hanson had

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<v Speaker 1>just been sanctioned for wearing a burker in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think Barnaby Joyce shares those kind of values.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even know if they are values. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>is Barnaby Joyce islamophobic? I don't actually think he's thought

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<v Speaker 4>about it. I think he looks at things purely on

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<v Speaker 4>the politics, and he would have rationalized that as a

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<v Speaker 4>stunt that Pauline Hanson has to do to invigorate her base.

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<v Speaker 4>Would Barnaby Joyce do something similar? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 4>He usually sticks his knives into his colleagues rather into

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<v Speaker 4>marginalized communities, but that doesn't mean that he's not going

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<v Speaker 4>to excuse it. So if he does end up joining

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<v Speaker 4>one nation, or indeed it just cozies up to them

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<v Speaker 4>and Pauline Hanson continues doing these sorts of stunts, he

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<v Speaker 4>would just rationalize them. He certainly wouldn't stand against it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I think I'm stating the obvious here, Amy, But

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<v Speaker 1>Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joiss are two very big characters.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's look into the future. How do you think they

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<v Speaker 1>would actually go working together?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean they did manage to cook a way

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<v Speaker 4>goos steak on a sandwich press, so obviously they're a

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<v Speaker 4>match made in heaven. I mean, my favorite thing about

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<v Speaker 4>that photo op for anyone who hasn't seen it, is

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<v Speaker 4>that they made sure to put the sax Assault, like

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest sax Assault container you have ever seen, front

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<v Speaker 4>and center.

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<v Speaker 1>In the the tables everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, And both of them are very good at

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<v Speaker 4>the visuals, very good at saying we are just like you.

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<v Speaker 4>They are both very wealthy people who are very influential,

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<v Speaker 4>who rub shoulders with some of the most wealthy and

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<v Speaker 4>elite people in Australia, and both have convinced a large

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<v Speaker 4>section of the Australian public that they are just every

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<v Speaker 4>day lower middle class salt of the Earth battlers and

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<v Speaker 4>so in that, you know, they share a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>political I suppose, skill and cunning. Pauline Hanson, though, does

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<v Speaker 4>not have a good track record of working with other

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<v Speaker 4>big personalities, Mark Latham being the most recent example of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Barnaby Joyce has never been comfortable as sharing the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 4>And while they both at the moment are enjoying the

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<v Speaker 4>the trouble that they're causing for the wider political scene,

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<v Speaker 4>actually working together that is going to be something that

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<v Speaker 4>I think they both struggle with.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess it's easy to pass this off

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<v Speaker 1>as another Barnaby moment, but it is actually a huge step.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a man who was once Deputy Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>as a member of the National He's been part of

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<v Speaker 1>governing the Coalition for many years he's been in power.

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<v Speaker 1>So is he ultimately giving up any ability to influence

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<v Speaker 1>policy now?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think he's giving up any ability to influence

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<v Speaker 4>policy because the Nationals have been influenced by One Nation

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<v Speaker 4>for about thirty years now. It's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 4>the Coalition as a whole has shifted further to the right,

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<v Speaker 4>because the Nationals have had to shift further to the

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<v Speaker 4>right to fight off one Nation. But he is, Barnaby

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<v Speaker 4>Joyce is giving up any chance of a legacy, and

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<v Speaker 4>by that I mean any chance of a legacy that

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<v Speaker 4>seems sent and impactful because one Nation does stunts. One

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<v Speaker 4>Nation has not been a mainstream party for the thirty

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<v Speaker 4>or so years it has been in Australian politics. A

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<v Speaker 4>lot of Barnaby's power has come from being in the mainstream.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of his regular TV spots, which is what

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<v Speaker 4>has seen him elevated into the position that he is

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<v Speaker 4>culturally in our politics, has been because he is part

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<v Speaker 4>of a mainstream party. He's probably won't see the same

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<v Speaker 4>amount of attention paid to him. Now that he's sitting

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<v Speaker 4>outside the tent, he'll be brought in from time to

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<v Speaker 4>time whenever they need, you know, a dose of Barnaby

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<v Speaker 4>to liven things up. But that's the same way that

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<v Speaker 4>we see Pauline Hansen used, so he may have actually

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<v Speaker 4>dealt himself out of some of that relevancy.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, Amy, you know, we know One Nation is

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<v Speaker 1>already shaping up as a political force individual politics. But

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<v Speaker 1>how much bigger could they become if Joyce actually ends

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<v Speaker 1>up joining them? Is there a chance for growth?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure that Joyce would appeal to any more

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<v Speaker 4>people who are currently not already attracted to One Nation,

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<v Speaker 4>so I don't think you're going to see too much

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<v Speaker 4>change there. Barnaby Joyce was held back from traveling in

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<v Speaker 4>the last election, and that is because Barnaby Joyce outside

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<v Speaker 4>of some of those core electorates. You know, we're talking

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<v Speaker 4>like Hinkler in Queensland, his own of New England, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>some in the mid North coast, that sort of area.

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<v Speaker 4>Outside of those electorates, here's a net negative. He was

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<v Speaker 4>seen as bringing down the vote. He does not appeal

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<v Speaker 4>to women, he does not appeal to younger voters. He

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<v Speaker 4>does not appeal to anyone who believes in renewable energy

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<v Speaker 4>as a transition source. There's a lot of negatives that

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<v Speaker 4>come with Barnaby Joyce. So I think that under Pauline

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<v Speaker 4>Hanson we'll see one Nation continue to hold that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of high watermark. But we're also two years out from

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<v Speaker 4>the next election. For Labor, year two of a parliament

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<v Speaker 4>cycle is usually where they do a lot of their action.

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<v Speaker 4>They just got through the environmental laws. They're starting to

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<v Speaker 4>ride a little bit higher in the polls themselves, and

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<v Speaker 4>Anthony Albanzi is certainly doing much better against Susan Lee

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<v Speaker 4>as preferred prime minister. There's a lot of time for

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<v Speaker 4>Barnaby Joyce to tank and so there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>time for one Nation to tank with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll get the popcorn out and see what happens. Amy,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 4>We all enjoy a little treat at the end of

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<v Speaker 4>a long parliamentary year.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news, Labor has passed its environmental laws

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<v Speaker 1>with support from the Greens. The Green secured some amendments

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<v Speaker 1>and return for their support, having high risk land clearing,

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<v Speaker 1>original forest agreements added to federal laws rather than being

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<v Speaker 1>handled by the states. Colon gas projects will also need

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<v Speaker 1>federal approval for water use and won't be able to

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<v Speaker 1>be fast tracked. We'll have a full report on the

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<v Speaker 1>new laws tomorrow and Australia is not projected to meet

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<v Speaker 1>as twenty thirty Climate Target or as twenty thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>Climate Target climate change when is to Chris Bowen delivered

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<v Speaker 1>the news in his annual Climate Statement to Parliament, but

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<v Speaker 1>defended the government, saying it's normal for there to be

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<v Speaker 1>a gap between targets and emissions and that new policies

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<v Speaker 1>will be implemented to improve the result. Australia recently committed

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<v Speaker 1>to cad emissions by between sixty two and seventy percent

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<v Speaker 1>by twenty thirty five. The outlook projects emissions were likely

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<v Speaker 1>for by just forty eight percent. I'm Daniel James. This

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<v Speaker 1>is seven am. See you tomorrow.