WEBVTT - #1989 Mirror Neurons, Ninja Cats & Psychopaths - David Gillespie 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:01.680 I got a team. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:06.040 It's Stiff and David, It's me, Craig, Anthony, Harper's you project, 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:08.240 it's you, It's us, It's the whole bloody vibe. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.479 Tiv Hi, Why Harps? 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:11.120 How are you? 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:11.840 Well? 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.000 We've had quite the production before the actual production. And 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.160 you were out there just punching on with your cat 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:22.040 and nothing but love coming from your gob Who won? 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:23.000 You were the cat? 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.079 It was a draw? It was a draw. 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:27.400 What was that little fucker doing? 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:28.240 So? 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:32.640 I've got a box of about a dog toilet paper, 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.120 which is like, who gives a crap? But this one 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:39.360 helps dogs, right, And so it's rolls of toilet paper 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.720 in a big box behind my door. And she got 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.600 inside that box and was rummaging around. She does that 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:47.280 because she knows. 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:48.040 I'm on a podcast. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.000 So does she literally just do that for attention? Do 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:52.840 you think yes? 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:57.240 Because she literally will start this stuff when she knows. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.840 I don't know whether she sees me put the headphones 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:05.560 around my ears, but mischief always happens when a podcast 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:06.160 is happening. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:10.120 We're talking a good afternoon, mister Gillespie. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:11.360 How's it going good? 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.760 Thank you? We're talking before we went live. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.160 I'd like to just revisit this a little bit, because 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.480 we're talking about how cats can basically eat a can 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.679 of cat food a day and line the sun and 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.559 just be fat and lazy. But then when there's some 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:29.160 kind of you know, enemy, real or pretend like, they'll 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.760 kill that shit in zero point three of a second, 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:33.240 like the. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:41.160 Extremely fast reflexestremely fast, much faster than anything that's likely 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.039 to kill them in the wild, like a snake. So, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.280 you know, Tip was saying that all those videos on 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.920 YouTube of cats punching cobras in the head before the 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.400 copper even knows what's happened, it's because in real life, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.040 you know, in the wild, evolution has equpped these animals 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.400 to survive contact with things like snakes. And the way 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.640 it's done it is given wiightening reflexes. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:02.960 It's incredible. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.840 And when you see these, I don't know what an 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.360 anxious cat looks like, but these motherfuckers look so laid back, 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.760 like when the snake strikes, you know, and you just 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.440 see the cat hit it four times before the snake's 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:20.160 halfway across the range that he wants to be. That 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.919 is imagine if you had those reflex you nine times 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:24.880 world championship. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.600 It feels like how I was the snake and my 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.320 boxing trainer Bryce he was the cat right because I 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.800 would just be staring. I would just be I'd be 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.000 so ready, and next minute there'd be a fist through 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.280 my face and I'd just still be standing there, like. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.880 Ah, I didn't see that coming. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:45.440 To what level do you reckon? 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:50.080 I mean, you're a fitness coach and you're also an athlete. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.120 To what extent do you think you can increase that 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:58.040 kind of reaction time or reduce that kind of reaction 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:02.160 time and increase your speed and your kind of situational 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.320 awareness in that Because it seems like it's pretty genetic. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.840 I reckon hugely. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.400 But it comes down to systems in your brain that 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.480 are beyond the conscious mind because I remember learning it, 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:21.440 I remember observing myself in training, and you react. You 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.680 begin to react to things, to movements that happened before 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.960 the movements you're watching. So would I would start to 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:33.440 weave a punch and throw back and go oh oh, 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.200 I weave that I didn't even know it was coming. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:40.720 Because in your peripheral vision, you see someone's shoulder move 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.040 or something happen with their with their hip or their 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.920 foot that tells your brain it's coming. And when that 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.320 first started happening, I was like, oh, how did I know? 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.600 That's like that's like yeah, pattern recognition, right, and these 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.280 kind of physical cues where you know, every time he 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.880 punches me on, then he does this before the thing 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.120 hits hits my nose, so and you might not even 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.240 you probably can't even process that in real time. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.080 So it's just you'll be glad to know. There's really 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.800 interesting studies about this, so. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:16.839 Of course you know about them. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:22.480 It uses mirror mirror on your own networks. Yeah, and 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.280 the study of being done in baseball players because there's 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.040 a lot of money in baseball, I guess, And what 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.440 they're trying to figure out is can you make someone 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:38.039 a better hitter? So you've got about three hundred milliseconds 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:43.040 between when a baseball leaves the pitcher's hand, a fastball 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.960 leaves their hand and it's across the plate. So in 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.800 that three hundred milliseconds, the hitter has got to decide 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:54.240 what to do, and they can't. They don't have enough 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.600 time to make a decision that there's just not enough 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.320 decision time three hundred second, so you can't make a 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:02.159 conscious decision. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.279 So that's the point. That's points three of. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.200 A second right, only three of a second right. So 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.000 so in order to do it, what they did is 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.359 they studied if we just take people who have no 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.920 training ortoever, you know, just college kids in a room 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.479 and give them a fast ball, how how often will 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.920 they hit it out of you know, however many tries, 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.440 and then do the same thing with a professional ballplayer, 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.480 and you'd expect the professional ballplayer it has much high percentage. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:33.080 They connect with the ball approximately twice as often as 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:34.200 the untrained person. 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:34.920 Wow. 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:39.039 But the interesting thing is they could get the untrained 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.799 person there very very quickly, like a very very small 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.320 number of sessions exposed to that high speed ball with 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:51.000 the same pitcher, and they were getting very very close 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.840 to the level that the professional pitcher would get there. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.840 And they surmised that what was actually going on was 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.920 that there's a set of neurons in the brain call 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.200 but mirror neur owns where which don't do anythinking at all. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.919 It's an electric response to the environment. So it's just 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.680 whatever is happening in the environment, it just mirrors that 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.359 back into the brain and takes it as an input. 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:19.159 And we use that. Interestingly, the reason I know about 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.520 this is not because I'm a baseball fan, but because 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.240 we use it in assessing whether or not someone is 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:30.480 a psychopath when we first meet them. So a lot 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.640 of people report, particularly women who are much more attuned 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:39.560 to this than men, that meeting a certain person gives 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.599 them an uneasy feeling, and they put it down to 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:48.560 women's intuition just to hunch whatever, whatever, And they're saying 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.360 that what's actually going on there is that that mirror 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:55.360 neuron circuit is firing so that they're seeing things that 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.920 they don't see, things where if you ask them to 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.960 sit down and describe what are they seeing, just like 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.880 at the baseball player, or just like with what Tiff described, 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.240 describe exactly what told you what was about to happen, 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.000 they would not be able to tell you. 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:08.599 Yes. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.880 But the mirror network is picking up these little micro 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.120 movements or expressions or whatever it is that tells them 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:21.200 what is about to happen and makes them react without thinking. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.800 And that's what's going on in the studies that they've 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.400 done on similar things with introductions to psychopaths, is you 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.880 can tell within the first second or two that the 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.760 person is giving you the yck. Now, a lot of 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:38.560 people dismiss that and say, ah, you know, I just 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.360 you know, I must be you know, maybe didn't like 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.480 his color, his tie or whatever, but you know, or 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.600 just you know, maybe he just said the wrong thing 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.680 or annoyed me, or I wasn't feeling good, whatever it is. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.239 But what the science seems to say is you should 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.000 trust that, you should go with that if the person 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:02.200 is giving you the yick straight away. I tried always 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.200 be prepared to yeah, go ahead, no, go on, tiff. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:11.840 Because my first reaction was to date them. After a 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:16.400 bit of pattern recognition in my own life, I adjusted 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:17.040 that reaction. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.520 Why do you reckon? Why do you reckon? You did that? 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:20.360 Like? 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.680 What do you in therapy trying to learn harts? 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:25.720 But what do you think if you just had to 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.640 have your best guess? Like why did you pick maniacs? 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:31.880 I think there was a few. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:32.319 Right. 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.680 Here's the theory that I first came up with. I 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:44.680 think because of my terror of emotional depth. My something 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:50.120 in me recognized that there was no real depth or 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.240 emotional vulnerability, so it felt safe. So that wasn't real. 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:59.720 So the pretend like they're very charismatic and that's an 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.280 easy story to believe. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:03.040 Does that make sense? 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:07.800 Yeah, so maybe some tings like that out of psychobabble 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.000 and into what's really going on. 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.120 Okay, here we go. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:18.800 Okay, So psychopaths are extremely confident people because they don't 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.680 believe that they're ever wrong about anything ever in their lives. 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:23.840 So you imagine if you went through your entire life 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.840 believing you could not be wrong about anything at any time. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.080 So that's the way they operate all the time, and 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.640 that projects as extreme confidence. And as a general rule, 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:42.040 people find confidence attractive much more attractive than their physical appearance, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:46.280 like the average looking people, But if they're confident and 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.679 average looking, they're more attractive. 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.960 I just think that works both ways, as in both genders. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:58.800 I feel like, perhaps biologically, dudes are more interested in appearance, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:03.199 at least for a period of their lifespan than you know, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:04.360 whether or not a. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:05.520 Woman is confident. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.520 I feel like some guys would actually be attracted to 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:09.760 the opposite of that. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.800 I don't know that you probably there's probably hundreds of 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:20.160 psychopovel textbooks about that, I'd imagine, But the biochemistry is 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:25.840 it works both ways. Yeah, right, So, and I don't know. Look, 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.360 there are times when when testosterone is doing the thinking 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:32.440 for you, I guess, and as you as you get older. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.520 I remember one of the primary functions of testosterone is 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:40.720 sex drive, So and your image. Remember that a boy 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:47.720 that's just ended puberty has approximately, you know, four hundred 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:52.120 times the testosterone they had before they entered puberty, and 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.320 twice as much as they'll have when they're in their thirties. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.320 So you know, that could be doing the thing for 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:01.400 you at that stage. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.760 It's definitely not doing the thinking for me. I haven't 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.320 seen any since the late nineties. Okay, every morning I 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.360 look out the window, I'm like, fuck, not a drop 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.400 to be seen, hoping. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:16.200 For a delivery any day. Now where you can get. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.800 To you probably fine, You'll probably find confidence very appealing 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:20.800 then by now. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:25.320 Well, I'm very attracted to you. Let's say that I 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.319 have you heard of that book? He probably read that book. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.199 We may have spoken about once or twice, I'm not sure. 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.080 Malcolm Gladwell's blink. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.600 Blink, yeah, absolutely, yes, what a great book. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.240 He kind of speaks to this a little bit, and 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.360 I'm just going to have to change my earphones because 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.000 it keeps telling me to change my earphones. 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.000 Because my batteries can't flat. So you too, carry on, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:49.160 you to carry on. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.520 We were just say Harps. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.360 Has gone to change his dying headphones. 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.800 Well you've just said it, so we don't need to. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.400 Yeah, we'll just talk amongst ourselves. How's the cat going? 0:11:59.480 --> 0:11:59.960 Is it a lie? 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:01.360 Which she shot? 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:02.000 Shout out? 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:07.600 Now all right here? Oh he's finally back. God knows 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.640 where he had to get those earphones from. But you 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.240 have to go into the next county to get them 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:12.680 or something. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.120 Did I just ran some bloody target. I'll tell you 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:17.640 what's a good thing. I'm very swift. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:21.200 Yeah, right there. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.440 Tiff thought them for me because she was mad at 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.880 me because I never wore headphones. Then I thought I'd 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.480 get fancy and where my bloody sony whatever they are, 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.400 and they. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.079 Just ran out of juice. They just they just ran 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:36.640 out of juice. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.720 So we were talking about Malcolm Gladwell and that book 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.840 and that that capacity that we seem to have to 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.720 be able to know something before we could seemingly logically 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:49.520 figure it out. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.240 Well, we're very very finely tuned with it when it 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:58.480 comes to other humans. So because other humans can potentially 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:03.000 kill us, and so we have to learn very very quickly, 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.199 within seconds, is this someone I can trust or is 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:11.120 this someone I can't trust? And so we have a 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.320 very finely attuned capacity to do that. Our entire growing 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.240 up lives from the very first second we see our 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.240 mother's face. The mirror network is firing the entire time 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:26.960 to assess what are the signs that another human is dangerous? 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:28.360 I've got a question. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.280 Then I would like for the non psychologist to evaluate 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:33.720 why I'm so dumb at it? 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.600 Then it's not that you're dumb at it, it's that 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.800 you don't trust it. 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:42.040 Choose it? 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.680 Then I don't choose anything. Now why did I walk 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.600 towards it instead of away from it? 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:54.160 All because you found the confidence attractive? Wow? 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.280 How old were you when this was happening? What age 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:58.080 range was this? 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:05.480 Twenty twenties, twenties and thirties? And then I packed up 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.560 my bat and ball and came home and didn't. 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.400 Go And when I'm going to buy two hundred animals 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:10.760 over the next thirty years. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:17.800 And that's me done? Yeah, pretty much, that's done. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:26.400 We were talking before we came on about you probably 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.280 don't want to talk about this but I'm interested in handball. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:33.320 So you're very heavily invested in handball. Your did you 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:37.080 say two or three of your girls played at recently 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:38.960 high level and you just came back or they just 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:43.120 came back and you're from New Zealand give us a 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.280 little bit of an insight into this. I know this 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.800 is very random everyone, but I'm interested in it. I'm 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:50.760 interested in it. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.040 Is it European handball? 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.560 Is that the European handball? Yeah, it's the stuff that's 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.840 played at the Olympics. So it's like water polo, but 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:01.960 without the water, you know, so very very high speed 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.520 indoor sport or another way to describe as like futsal, 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.920 but play with your hands not your feet, and it's 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.480 full contact, so you know, you can be full body, hard, 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.880 hit contacted. And I think we talked about this last 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.680 time when I was saying about that. Why I liked 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.560 what Tiff posted it about women boxing. It's the same 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.760 in handball because they're playing a full contact sport on 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.080 an indoor court at very high speed. And I love 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:33.560 the effect that has on girls assert of and confidence. 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.160 They have to be pretty confident to run at the 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.320 line where they know someone's going to hit them, and 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.600 it's it's a very highly skill sport. It's easy to 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.000 get to a sort of conversational level with you know, 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.280 you pick a ball, you can shoot. People like it 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.400 because unlike netball, for example, where only a couple of 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.840 people ever get to score, anyone can score from anywhere. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.400 And it's all about, you know, tactics to move the 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.600 defenses quickly as possible, move the ball, get it in 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:07.520 the goal. Very very physical to sixty minute game and 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.280 you're running from end to end on a forty meter 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.000 court and in an average game there's going to be 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.200 fifty to sixty goals scored, so you're running end to 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:24.200 end a lot. So yeah, I think it's a terrific sport. Obviously. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.840 I'm the manager of the Australian women's team and also 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:33.040 the president of the biggest club in Australia, Brisbane Handball, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.520 and we just took two teams over to New Zealand 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.320 to the club championships there they're once a year thing, 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.880 and our women's team won and our men's team came second. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.240 And the thing I really loved about our women's team 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.760 winning is that five of the players and there are 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.560 seven one court at any time, but there's usally about 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.520 fourteen in a team because of all the running, you 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.160 get exhausted, had to be all the time, so it's 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:59.160 got rolling subs. And what I loved is that five 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.360 of the players on that or from our under fifteen 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.400 girls team, So damn yeah. Getting them to go out 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:09.760 there and play against women and beat them I think 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:11.600 was an incredible experience for them. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.320 Do they I'm just interested as an xio scientist. Do 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.080 they have you know, how structured is their training? Do 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.840 they have strength and conditioning kind of coaches, Do they 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.240 have rehab people, do they have physios? 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.320 I guess they have all of that at that level 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:28.320 they have. 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:33.200 So a week of training in Australia at our club 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:39.119 is to to our on court sessions which are pretty 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:43.760 full on, full of lots of heavy duty cardio type stuff, 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.040 plus of course skills and drills for ballwork, and then 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.119 they have one session which is an hour in the 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.359 gym and then an hour on court with specialist small 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:58.440 groups strength and conditioning coaches. So and they're easily training 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.960 more than any other is because here it's a micro sport. 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.320 No one is no one does it here in Europe 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.840 it's a massive sport. Thirty million people play it. It's 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.480 second only to soccer in terms of its audience, and 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.320 even the level that we're out here would be mostly 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:21.720 pathetic against European teams that that are training five or 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:22.560 six times a week. 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.159 Would you be I mean, are you? I don't know, 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.639 I don't mean you personally, But is is the sport 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.840 interested in growing and expanding or just having fun and 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:33.720 just doing what you do? 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.160 We know we want it massively to expand. I look, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.640 I think it's a terrific sport. My girls have played 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:44.280 netball or lives softball, whatever you name it. They've they've 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.040 pried everything. They got to a pretty high level with netball, 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.119 but they're continuing on with this because I think the 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.320 value particularly for girls. It's terrific sport for boys as well, 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:58.720 but it's as with most sports with boys, it's all 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.760 about how ard you can hit. 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.480 Yeah, you know, it's it, you know. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.240 I find the women's version of the sport more pleasant 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:12.160 to watch because the skills are more important rather than 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.280 you know, you know, it's the same size call for 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.639 boys and girls, and boys can just leap in the 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.040 air nine meters out from the goal and shoot over 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:24.440 the defense. And you know, that's that's power sport as 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.679 opposed to women have to find a way through without 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.679 being able to do that. So and these balls are 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.800 being thrown, you know, shot at one hundred and forty 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.200 kilometers an hour. You know, to volunteer to be a 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.800 goalie in that situation, it is a work of courage 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:39.360 in itself. 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.440 What's the size of the ball compared. 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.480 To the size So the men play with a size 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.840 three soccer ball and the women play with size two 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:48.400 soccer ball. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.200 That's what is that like? 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:52.320 Like? 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.119 Is a ladies one like the size of a softball? 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:57.280 Like a softball? 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.040 No, no, no, no, no, it's bigger than that. So the 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.919 men's size are probably about a half size imagine about 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:05.880 half the size of a soccer ball, so imagine a 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.639 small soccer ball, and the women's one is a little 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:10.880 bit smaller on that, but not massively smaller. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.560 What do you got that goofy smile on your face? 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:13.679 For? 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:14.600 What are you looking at? 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.040 I'm trying to look up a video so I can 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:17.480 see it. 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.119 Can you chend you some videos? 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.240 I don't know what size a size three soccer ball? 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.639 Well, all balls you would know if because you're an 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.520 expert in ball sports, all all ball sports work on 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:31.879 a standard sizing system. 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:38.359 So yes, yep, yeah, yeah, she's that. She's wow. 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:40.400 And so. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.399 What's your responsibility as kind of the president for Australia 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:47.560 so to speak. 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.399 A manager? So yeah, they do the logistics of getting 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.840 them all together and all that sort of thing, basically 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:55.439 the same thing I do at the club, which is 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.399 organizing logistics making it all happen. 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.080 And I guess you'd need a sponsorship. Be hard to 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:09.320 get low profile sport. But if you're interested, if you're interested, anyone, 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.680 hit David up. He'll at the very least have a 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.680 chat to you and probably tell you about the frame 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.920 rate that birds see at per minute or second, which 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:21.520 she told me before the show. 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:26.159 Twelve hundred, twelve hundred per second, humans see at sixty 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:27.120 How is. 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:31.160