1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: I got a team. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 2: It's Stiff and David, It's me, Craig, Anthony, Harper's you project, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: it's you, It's us, It's the whole bloody vibe. 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 3: Tiv Hi, Why Harps? 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 4: How are you? 6 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Well? 7 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: We've had quite the production before the actual production. And 8 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: you were out there just punching on with your cat 9 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: and nothing but love coming from your gob Who won? 10 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: You were the cat? 11 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 3: It was a draw? It was a draw. 12 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: What was that little fucker doing? 13 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 4: So? 14 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 5: I've got a box of about a dog toilet paper, 15 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 5: which is like, who gives a crap? But this one 16 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 5: helps dogs, right, And so it's rolls of toilet paper 17 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 5: in a big box behind my door. And she got 18 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 5: inside that box and was rummaging around. She does that 19 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 5: because she knows. 20 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 6: I'm on a podcast. 21 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: So does she literally just do that for attention? Do 22 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: you think yes? 23 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 5: Because she literally will start this stuff when she knows. 24 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 5: I don't know whether she sees me put the headphones 25 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 5: around my ears, but mischief always happens when a podcast 26 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 5: is happening. 27 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: We're talking a good afternoon, mister Gillespie. 28 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 4: How's it going good? 29 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: Thank you? We're talking before we went live. 30 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: I'd like to just revisit this a little bit, because 31 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: we're talking about how cats can basically eat a can 32 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: of cat food a day and line the sun and 33 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 2: just be fat and lazy. But then when there's some 34 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: kind of you know, enemy, real or pretend like, they'll 35 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: kill that shit in zero point three of a second, 36 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: like the. 37 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: Extremely fast reflexestremely fast, much faster than anything that's likely 38 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 4: to kill them in the wild, like a snake. So, 39 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: you know, Tip was saying that all those videos on 40 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 4: YouTube of cats punching cobras in the head before the 41 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 4: copper even knows what's happened, it's because in real life, 42 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 4: you know, in the wild, evolution has equpped these animals 43 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: to survive contact with things like snakes. And the way 44 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 4: it's done it is given wiightening reflexes. 45 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: It's incredible. 46 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: And when you see these, I don't know what an 47 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: anxious cat looks like, but these motherfuckers look so laid back, 48 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: like when the snake strikes, you know, and you just 49 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: see the cat hit it four times before the snake's 50 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: halfway across the range that he wants to be. That 51 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: is imagine if you had those reflex you nine times 52 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: world championship. 53 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 5: It feels like how I was the snake and my 54 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 5: boxing trainer Bryce he was the cat right because I 55 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 5: would just be staring. I would just be I'd be 56 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 5: so ready, and next minute there'd be a fist through 57 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 5: my face and I'd just still be standing there, like. 58 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: Ah, I didn't see that coming. 59 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: To what level do you reckon? 60 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you're a fitness coach and you're also an athlete. 61 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: To what extent do you think you can increase that 62 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: kind of reaction time or reduce that kind of reaction 63 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: time and increase your speed and your kind of situational 64 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: awareness in that Because it seems like it's pretty genetic. 65 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: I reckon hugely. 66 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 5: But it comes down to systems in your brain that 67 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 5: are beyond the conscious mind because I remember learning it, 68 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: I remember observing myself in training, and you react. You 69 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 5: begin to react to things, to movements that happened before 70 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 5: the movements you're watching. So would I would start to 71 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 5: weave a punch and throw back and go oh oh, 72 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 5: I weave that I didn't even know it was coming. 73 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 5: Because in your peripheral vision, you see someone's shoulder move 74 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 5: or something happen with their with their hip or their 75 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 5: foot that tells your brain it's coming. And when that 76 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 5: first started happening, I was like, oh, how did I know? 77 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: That's like that's like yeah, pattern recognition, right, and these 78 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: kind of physical cues where you know, every time he 79 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: punches me on, then he does this before the thing 80 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: hits hits my nose, so and you might not even 81 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: you probably can't even process that in real time. 82 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: So it's just you'll be glad to know. There's really 83 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: interesting studies about this, so. 84 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: Of course you know about them. 85 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 4: It uses mirror mirror on your own networks. Yeah, and 86 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 4: the study of being done in baseball players because there's 87 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 4: a lot of money in baseball, I guess, And what 88 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 4: they're trying to figure out is can you make someone 89 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 4: a better hitter? So you've got about three hundred milliseconds 90 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 4: between when a baseball leaves the pitcher's hand, a fastball 91 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: leaves their hand and it's across the plate. So in 92 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 4: that three hundred milliseconds, the hitter has got to decide 93 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 4: what to do, and they can't. They don't have enough 94 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 4: time to make a decision that there's just not enough 95 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 4: decision time three hundred second, so you can't make a 96 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 4: conscious decision. 97 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: So that's the point. That's points three of. 98 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 4: A second right, only three of a second right. So 99 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: so in order to do it, what they did is 100 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 4: they studied if we just take people who have no 101 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 4: training ortoever, you know, just college kids in a room 102 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 4: and give them a fast ball, how how often will 103 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 4: they hit it out of you know, however many tries, 104 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 4: and then do the same thing with a professional ballplayer, 105 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 4: and you'd expect the professional ballplayer it has much high percentage. 106 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 4: They connect with the ball approximately twice as often as 107 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 4: the untrained person. 108 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: Wow. 109 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 4: But the interesting thing is they could get the untrained 110 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 4: person there very very quickly, like a very very small 111 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 4: number of sessions exposed to that high speed ball with 112 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: the same pitcher, and they were getting very very close 113 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 4: to the level that the professional pitcher would get there. 114 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 4: And they surmised that what was actually going on was 115 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: that there's a set of neurons in the brain call 116 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: but mirror neur owns where which don't do anythinking at all. 117 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 4: It's an electric response to the environment. So it's just 118 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 4: whatever is happening in the environment, it just mirrors that 119 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 4: back into the brain and takes it as an input. 120 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 4: And we use that. Interestingly, the reason I know about 121 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 4: this is not because I'm a baseball fan, but because 122 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: we use it in assessing whether or not someone is 123 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 4: a psychopath when we first meet them. So a lot 124 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 4: of people report, particularly women who are much more attuned 125 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 4: to this than men, that meeting a certain person gives 126 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 4: them an uneasy feeling, and they put it down to 127 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 4: women's intuition just to hunch whatever, whatever, And they're saying 128 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 4: that what's actually going on there is that that mirror 129 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 4: neuron circuit is firing so that they're seeing things that 130 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 4: they don't see, things where if you ask them to 131 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: sit down and describe what are they seeing, just like 132 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: at the baseball player, or just like with what Tiff described, 133 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: describe exactly what told you what was about to happen, 134 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: they would not be able to tell you. 135 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: Yes. 136 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: But the mirror network is picking up these little micro 137 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 4: movements or expressions or whatever it is that tells them 138 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 4: what is about to happen and makes them react without thinking. 139 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 4: And that's what's going on in the studies that they've 140 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 4: done on similar things with introductions to psychopaths, is you 141 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 4: can tell within the first second or two that the 142 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 4: person is giving you the yck. Now, a lot of 143 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 4: people dismiss that and say, ah, you know, I just 144 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 4: you know, I must be you know, maybe didn't like 145 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 4: his color, his tie or whatever, but you know, or 146 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: just you know, maybe he just said the wrong thing 147 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 4: or annoyed me, or I wasn't feeling good, whatever it is. 148 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 4: But what the science seems to say is you should 149 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 4: trust that, you should go with that if the person 150 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 4: is giving you the yick straight away. I tried always 151 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 4: be prepared to yeah, go ahead, no, go on, tiff. 152 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 5: Because my first reaction was to date them. After a 153 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 5: bit of pattern recognition in my own life, I adjusted 154 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 5: that reaction. 155 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: Why do you reckon? Why do you reckon? You did that? 156 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 4: Like? 157 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: What do you in therapy trying to learn harts? 158 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: But what do you think if you just had to 159 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: have your best guess? Like why did you pick maniacs? 160 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 4: I think there was a few. 161 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: Right. 162 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 5: Here's the theory that I first came up with. I 163 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 5: think because of my terror of emotional depth. My something 164 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 5: in me recognized that there was no real depth or 165 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 5: emotional vulnerability, so it felt safe. So that wasn't real. 166 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 5: So the pretend like they're very charismatic and that's an 167 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 5: easy story to believe. 168 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 169 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, so maybe some tings like that out of psychobabble 170 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 4: and into what's really going on. 171 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: Okay, here we go. 172 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: Okay, So psychopaths are extremely confident people because they don't 173 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 4: believe that they're ever wrong about anything ever in their lives. 174 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 4: So you imagine if you went through your entire life 175 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 4: believing you could not be wrong about anything at any time. 176 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 4: So that's the way they operate all the time, and 177 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 4: that projects as extreme confidence. And as a general rule, 178 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 4: people find confidence attractive much more attractive than their physical appearance, 179 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: like the average looking people, But if they're confident and 180 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 4: average looking, they're more attractive. 181 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: I just think that works both ways, as in both genders. 182 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: I feel like, perhaps biologically, dudes are more interested in appearance, 183 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: at least for a period of their lifespan than you know, 184 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: whether or not a. 185 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: Woman is confident. 186 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: I feel like some guys would actually be attracted to 187 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: the opposite of that. 188 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 4: I don't know that you probably there's probably hundreds of 189 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 4: psychopovel textbooks about that, I'd imagine, But the biochemistry is 190 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 4: it works both ways. Yeah, right, So, and I don't know. Look, 191 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 4: there are times when when testosterone is doing the thinking 192 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 4: for you, I guess, and as you as you get older. 193 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 4: I remember one of the primary functions of testosterone is 194 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 4: sex drive, So and your image. Remember that a boy 195 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 4: that's just ended puberty has approximately, you know, four hundred 196 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 4: times the testosterone they had before they entered puberty, and 197 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 4: twice as much as they'll have when they're in their thirties. 198 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 4: So you know, that could be doing the thing for 199 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 4: you at that stage. 200 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: It's definitely not doing the thinking for me. I haven't 201 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: seen any since the late nineties. Okay, every morning I 202 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: look out the window, I'm like, fuck, not a drop 203 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: to be seen, hoping. 204 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: For a delivery any day. Now where you can get. 205 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 4: To you probably fine, You'll probably find confidence very appealing 206 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: then by now. 207 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: Well, I'm very attracted to you. Let's say that I 208 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: have you heard of that book? He probably read that book. 209 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: We may have spoken about once or twice, I'm not sure. 210 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: Malcolm Gladwell's blink. 211 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 4: Blink, yeah, absolutely, yes, what a great book. 212 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: He kind of speaks to this a little bit, and 213 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: I'm just going to have to change my earphones because 214 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: it keeps telling me to change my earphones. 215 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: Because my batteries can't flat. So you too, carry on, 216 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: you to carry on. 217 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 4: We were just say Harps. 218 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: Has gone to change his dying headphones. 219 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: Well you've just said it, so we don't need to. 220 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll just talk amongst ourselves. How's the cat going? 221 00:11:59,480 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 4: Is it a lie? 222 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 6: Which she shot? 223 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 3: Shout out? 224 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 4: Now all right here? Oh he's finally back. God knows 225 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: where he had to get those earphones from. But you 226 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 4: have to go into the next county to get them 227 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 4: or something. 228 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: Did I just ran some bloody target. I'll tell you 229 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: what's a good thing. I'm very swift. 230 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, right there. 231 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: Tiff thought them for me because she was mad at 232 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: me because I never wore headphones. Then I thought I'd 233 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: get fancy and where my bloody sony whatever they are, 234 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: and they. 235 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: Just ran out of juice. They just they just ran 236 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: out of juice. 237 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: So we were talking about Malcolm Gladwell and that book 238 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: and that that capacity that we seem to have to 239 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: be able to know something before we could seemingly logically 240 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: figure it out. 241 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 4: Well, we're very very finely tuned with it when it 242 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 4: comes to other humans. So because other humans can potentially 243 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 4: kill us, and so we have to learn very very quickly, 244 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 4: within seconds, is this someone I can trust or is 245 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 4: this someone I can't trust? And so we have a 246 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 4: very finely attuned capacity to do that. Our entire growing 247 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 4: up lives from the very first second we see our 248 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: mother's face. The mirror network is firing the entire time 249 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 4: to assess what are the signs that another human is dangerous? 250 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 6: I've got a question. 251 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 5: Then I would like for the non psychologist to evaluate 252 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 5: why I'm so dumb at it? 253 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 4: Then it's not that you're dumb at it, it's that 254 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 4: you don't trust it. 255 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 6: Choose it? 256 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 5: Then I don't choose anything. Now why did I walk 257 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 5: towards it instead of away from it? 258 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: All because you found the confidence attractive? Wow? 259 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: How old were you when this was happening? What age 260 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: range was this? 261 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 5: Twenty twenties, twenties and thirties? And then I packed up 262 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 5: my bat and ball and came home and didn't. 263 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: Go And when I'm going to buy two hundred animals 264 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: over the next thirty years. 265 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: And that's me done? Yeah, pretty much, that's done. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. 266 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: We were talking before we came on about you probably 267 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: don't want to talk about this but I'm interested in handball. 268 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: So you're very heavily invested in handball. Your did you 269 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: say two or three of your girls played at recently 270 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: high level and you just came back or they just 271 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: came back and you're from New Zealand give us a 272 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: little bit of an insight into this. I know this 273 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: is very random everyone, but I'm interested in it. I'm 274 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: interested in it. 275 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: Is it European handball? 276 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 4: Is that the European handball? Yeah, it's the stuff that's 277 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 4: played at the Olympics. So it's like water polo, but 278 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 4: without the water, you know, so very very high speed 279 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: indoor sport or another way to describe as like futsal, 280 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 4: but play with your hands not your feet, and it's 281 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 4: full contact, so you know, you can be full body, hard, 282 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 4: hit contacted. And I think we talked about this last 283 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 4: time when I was saying about that. Why I liked 284 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 4: what Tiff posted it about women boxing. It's the same 285 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: in handball because they're playing a full contact sport on 286 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 4: an indoor court at very high speed. And I love 287 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 4: the effect that has on girls assert of and confidence. 288 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 4: They have to be pretty confident to run at the 289 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 4: line where they know someone's going to hit them, and 290 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 4: it's it's a very highly skill sport. It's easy to 291 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 4: get to a sort of conversational level with you know, 292 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 4: you pick a ball, you can shoot. People like it 293 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 4: because unlike netball, for example, where only a couple of 294 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 4: people ever get to score, anyone can score from anywhere. 295 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 4: And it's all about, you know, tactics to move the 296 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: defenses quickly as possible, move the ball, get it in 297 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 4: the goal. Very very physical to sixty minute game and 298 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 4: you're running from end to end on a forty meter 299 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 4: court and in an average game there's going to be 300 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 4: fifty to sixty goals scored, so you're running end to 301 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 4: end a lot. So yeah, I think it's a terrific sport. Obviously. 302 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 4: I'm the manager of the Australian women's team and also 303 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 4: the president of the biggest club in Australia, Brisbane Handball, 304 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 4: and we just took two teams over to New Zealand 305 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 4: to the club championships there they're once a year thing, 306 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 4: and our women's team won and our men's team came second. 307 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: And the thing I really loved about our women's team 308 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 4: winning is that five of the players and there are 309 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 4: seven one court at any time, but there's usally about 310 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 4: fourteen in a team because of all the running, you 311 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 4: get exhausted, had to be all the time, so it's 312 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 4: got rolling subs. And what I loved is that five 313 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 4: of the players on that or from our under fifteen 314 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 4: girls team, So damn yeah. Getting them to go out 315 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: there and play against women and beat them I think 316 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 4: was an incredible experience for them. 317 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: Do they I'm just interested as an xio scientist. Do 318 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: they have you know, how structured is their training? Do 319 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: they have strength and conditioning kind of coaches, Do they 320 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: have rehab people, do they have physios? 321 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: I guess they have all of that at that level 322 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: they have. 323 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 4: So a week of training in Australia at our club 324 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 4: is to to our on court sessions which are pretty 325 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 4: full on, full of lots of heavy duty cardio type stuff, 326 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 4: plus of course skills and drills for ballwork, and then 327 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 4: they have one session which is an hour in the 328 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 4: gym and then an hour on court with specialist small 329 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 4: groups strength and conditioning coaches. So and they're easily training 330 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 4: more than any other is because here it's a micro sport. 331 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 4: No one is no one does it here in Europe 332 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: it's a massive sport. Thirty million people play it. It's 333 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 4: second only to soccer in terms of its audience, and 334 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 4: even the level that we're out here would be mostly 335 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 4: pathetic against European teams that that are training five or 336 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 4: six times a week. 337 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 2: Would you be I mean, are you? I don't know, 338 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 2: I don't mean you personally, But is is the sport 339 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: interested in growing and expanding or just having fun and 340 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: just doing what you do? 341 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 4: We know we want it massively to expand. I look, 342 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 4: I think it's a terrific sport. My girls have played 343 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 4: netball or lives softball, whatever you name it. They've they've 344 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 4: pried everything. They got to a pretty high level with netball, 345 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 4: but they're continuing on with this because I think the 346 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 4: value particularly for girls. It's terrific sport for boys as well, 347 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 4: but it's as with most sports with boys, it's all 348 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 4: about how ard you can hit. 349 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it, you know. 350 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 4: I find the women's version of the sport more pleasant 351 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 4: to watch because the skills are more important rather than 352 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 4: you know, you know, it's the same size call for 353 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 4: boys and girls, and boys can just leap in the 354 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 4: air nine meters out from the goal and shoot over 355 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 4: the defense. And you know, that's that's power sport as 356 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 4: opposed to women have to find a way through without 357 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 4: being able to do that. So and these balls are 358 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 4: being thrown, you know, shot at one hundred and forty 359 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 4: kilometers an hour. You know, to volunteer to be a 360 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: goalie in that situation, it is a work of courage 361 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 4: in itself. 362 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: What's the size of the ball compared. 363 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 4: To the size So the men play with a size 364 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 4: three soccer ball and the women play with size two 365 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 4: soccer ball. 366 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: That's what is that like? 367 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: Like? 368 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: Is a ladies one like the size of a softball? 369 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: Like a softball? 370 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, it's bigger than that. So the 371 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 4: men's size are probably about a half size imagine about 372 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 4: half the size of a soccer ball, so imagine a 373 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 4: small soccer ball, and the women's one is a little 374 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 4: bit smaller on that, but not massively smaller. 375 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: What do you got that goofy smile on your face? 376 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 4: For? 377 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: What are you looking at? 378 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 6: I'm trying to look up a video so I can 379 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 6: see it. 380 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 4: Can you chend you some videos? 381 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 6: I don't know what size a size three soccer ball? 382 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 4: Well, all balls you would know if because you're an 383 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 4: expert in ball sports, all all ball sports work on 384 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 4: a standard sizing system. 385 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: So yes, yep, yeah, yeah, she's that. She's wow. 386 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 4: And so. 387 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 2: What's your responsibility as kind of the president for Australia 388 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: so to speak. 389 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 4: A manager? So yeah, they do the logistics of getting 390 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 4: them all together and all that sort of thing, basically 391 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 4: the same thing I do at the club, which is 392 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 4: organizing logistics making it all happen. 393 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: And I guess you'd need a sponsorship. Be hard to 394 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: get low profile sport. But if you're interested, if you're interested, anyone, 395 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 2: hit David up. He'll at the very least have a 396 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 2: chat to you and probably tell you about the frame 397 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: rate that birds see at per minute or second, which 398 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: she told me before the show. 399 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 4: Twelve hundred, twelve hundred per second, humans see at sixty 400 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 4: How is. 401 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: That even possible? Twelve hundred per second? 402 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, So if you imagine flying at sixty kilometers an 403 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 4: hour between the branches of trees and leaves and so on, 404 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 4: and not hitting any of it, you have to see 405 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 4: things nice and slow. You have to say so to them. 406 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 4: The experience is seeing the world in twenty times slow motion. 407 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 4: So for them, it's easy. Hey, I'm just you know, 408 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 4: it's like taking a walk flying at sixty kilo meters 409 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 4: an hour through the foliage. And that's why birds, when 410 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 4: they're sitting on the road in front of you and 411 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: you're approaching one hundred kilometers an hour, it takes forever 412 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 4: to get off the road because to them, they've got 413 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 4: forever they can see you. You're a long way away. 414 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: Well they see it twenty times quo wicked than Yeah, 415 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: but perceptually slower, yes, yes, yes, it's like. 416 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: Moving in slow mode for them. 417 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and they've got plenty of reaction time. And 418 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 4: you know, lots of species have these, Like dogs, I 419 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 4: think have a sense of smell that's approximately a thousand 420 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 4: times more sensitive than humans. And it's just a matter 421 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: of where evolution has redirected the brain's resources. What do 422 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 4: you think human superpower is? Because we have. 423 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: One, well, mine's dancing. 424 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 4: I can't obviously, yes, the rest of humanity. 425 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: What is our superpower? Critical? 426 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 4: Is one thing? 427 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: Problem solving? Critical thing? 428 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 6: No? 429 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 4: No, no, it's no, no, it's a sense thing. What 430 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 4: is the thing that humans do better than any other 431 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 4: species on the planet? 432 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: Wow? Uh, drink beer to guess. 433 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 5: Something around like empathy with other other people's. 434 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 4: Going to she'sail. She's nailed it. 435 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: It's we've had this conversation TIF said dogs have empathy. 436 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 4: We've had this, well, look, I can't help her not 437 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,239 Speaker 4: understanding that her dog's are psychopaths. But in humans, I 438 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 4: love them. 439 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: That's why I love my dog. 440 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 4: Our superpower is we've redirected and they think from our 441 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 4: sense of smell, so we know some pass in our 442 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 4: dim dark evolutionary history. We redirected from from we had 443 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: a better sense of smell, and we've redirected some of 444 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 4: the neuronal wiring there to to this business that we 445 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 4: were talking about before, which is reading other humans. Our 446 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 4: ability to sense the emotions and intentions of other humans 447 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 4: is greater than any other animal. No other animal has 448 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 4: what we describe as empathy. But empathy is in fact 449 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 4: tuning into the brain of another animal. It's being able 450 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 4: to predict what that animal is thinking in real time 451 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 4: is our superpower. No other animal can do that. So 452 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 4: that's how we've used that sensory network that birds have 453 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 4: got in their eyes, cats have got in their reflexes, 454 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 4: we've got in our ability to judge the intentions of others. 455 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: I reckon there's a lot of people who are not 456 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: very good at that. I think a lot of we're all. 457 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 4: Very good at it, but we have to learn to 458 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 4: trust it. 459 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I think a lot of people don't 460 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: do it though, like a lot of people really don't 461 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: think about how anyone else thinks. 462 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 4: There's an interesting set of studies on there's a suggestion 463 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 4: that one way to tell that someone is a psychopath 464 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 4: is that they are either tone deaf, color blind, or 465 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 4: I don't mind bitter drinks, And all of those things 466 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 4: have in common and InIB to finally differentiate. So, yeah, 467 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 4: tone deaf means you can't properly differentiate the tones in music, 468 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 4: colorblind means you can't properly differentiate the colors, and preferring 469 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 4: bitter things means you can't properly differentiate whether something is 470 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 4: bitter or sweet. So those are all differentiation things that 471 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 4: require a lot of neuronal processing power. And there's a 472 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 4: theory that says because psychopaths have no empathy and they 473 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 4: don't have any empathy, that part of that network that 474 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 4: would have been secondered to producing empathy also doesn't work 475 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 4: for the other things in their lives. So we've secondered 476 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 4: our sense of taste, our sense of smell, our eyesight, 477 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 4: et cetera into the empathy network, and the suggestion is 478 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 4: that it's impaired all throughout. So the same network is 479 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: doing all of those things. And that's why you'll see 480 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 4: studies if you go looking for it, where they'll say 481 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 4: the way to tell a psychopath is they like black coffee, 482 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 4: or they drink straight spirits or things like that. 483 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: Wow, that's I think you'd want to dive deep into 484 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: that before you start thinking everyone who drinks black coffee 485 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: that you're a sociopath or a psychopath. It's like there's 486 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 2: all these color blind people now running around the house. 487 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 4: I wouldn't recognize. Recommend this is a diagnostic tool that 488 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 4: you will find studies, and there is buy a chemistry 489 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 4: to back it up. But it's so let's fage it 490 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 4: as one of the things to pay attention to. 491 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: My God, TIF, do you like bitter drinks? 492 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: I just can't. 493 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 6: I just can't. 494 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 5: But how does David know all of this stuff about 495 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 5: everything in the world. 496 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 2: That's why he's our he's our resident savant. He's a 497 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 2: rain man. He's rain man in a bad suit. I mean, 498 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: how can I say that's why we. 499 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: Get him on? 500 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that like there, yeah, I don't know, 501 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 2: I opened the door, but like understanding how other people think. 502 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 2: In psychology it's called theory of mind. And you and 503 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 2: I have both spoken about this, but yeah, there are 504 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 2: a lot of people who are fucking terrible at understanding 505 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 2: how other people think. 506 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: You know, and it's not it's not that so it's 507 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: not listen to you, Yes it is, Yes, it is. 508 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 4: That's that it is. That's a conscious level decision about 509 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,239 Speaker 4: So if we put it into a more everyday term, right, 510 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 4: if you're walking out into the street and the car 511 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 4: is about to hit you, there's a there's an automated 512 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 4: system that recognizes the signs that a car's are about 513 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 4: to hit you and get your adrenaline pumping quickly gets 514 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 4: you out of the way, quickly, before you've even had 515 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 4: time to have a think about, oh, there's a car 516 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 4: about to hit me. What you're talking about is that 517 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 4: second system, the bit that's a second or two down 518 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 4: the line, that is consciously trying to make decisions on 519 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 4: manual I'm talking about the fully automated system that happens 520 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 4: within the first second. And I know you talked about 521 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 4: Malcolm's book there blink, he talks about the first ten seconds. 522 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 4: I think that's way too long. The first ten seconds. 523 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 4: You know, we've thought an essay about it. It's not 524 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 4: the first one second. It's one it's under a second. 525 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 4: It's the base four players having to make decisions about 526 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 4: what to do with their bodies before the ball even 527 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 4: leaves the pitcher's hand. Yeah, do you remember that Tiff 528 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 4: said she knew what to do before the punch even began. 529 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: It's interesting because there's another idea or concept or construct 530 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call it in psychology called 531 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: the false consensus effect, and that is quite a well 532 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: known thing that talks about the fact that most people 533 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: think that other people think like them. Like they assume that, 534 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: you know, so they assume that their intention will be 535 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: the other person's experience, you know what I mean. It's like, well, 536 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: I'm being very clear? Am I not being clear with 537 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: my words? I'm saying, you know, and so therefore they 538 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: should understand me. 539 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 4: But there's a great model of this called tit for tat, 540 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 4: and I think we've talked about it before, which is 541 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 4: most humans operate most empathetic humans operate on the assumption 542 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 4: that everybody else has good intentions. So and we operate 543 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: on a model called tit for tat, which is we 544 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 4: will default to doing the right thing and being trustworthy 545 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 4: and being honest with another person. If we meet a 546 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 4: stranger and the stranger says, can I borrow a dollar, 547 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 4: will lend them a dollar and will assume that they 548 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 4: will give it back to us, you know, when they 549 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 4: no longer need it, and so we operate on that 550 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 4: as a default. So most of humanity, the part of 551 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 4: humanity that are not psychopaths, most of humanity work on 552 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 4: that basis, which is, we start from honest, we start 553 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 4: from trust, and the only time we change from that 554 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: is if the person proves themselves to be untrustworthy. So 555 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 4: we start trusting them, and then they don't give the 556 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 4: dollar back and we say, oh, okay, so you can't 557 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 4: be trusted, and from then on we'll be dishonest with 558 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 4: them too, So we'll believe that if they're dishonest, we 559 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 4: have carte blanche to be dishonest as well. Until they 560 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 4: are honest again, we immediately switch back. So if they 561 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 4: suddenly prove themselves to be honest, we'll switch back to 562 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 4: being honest. And humans operate on this tit for tat model, 563 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 4: and it's been proven study after study after study after study, 564 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 4: being replicated ad nauseum. All of us work on tit 565 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 4: for tat. Psychopaths don't. Psychopaths have the reverse model, so 566 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 4: they default to the proposition that you are untrustworthy, that 567 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 4: you will lie to them, and they work on that 568 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 4: presumption in their dealings with you right from the get go. 569 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 570 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a space in the middle where you. 571 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily trust everyone up front. 572 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: But that is because I've been burned a hundred times. 573 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: So neither do I automatically think they're going to steal 574 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: a lye or cheap I don't think that either. I 575 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: just think they have the potential for that. So for me, 576 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: I tend to just pay attention for a while, you know, 577 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: not mistrust them, not trust them somewhere in the middle. 578 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 4: The interesting thing is there's been some quite interesting models 579 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 4: done of things that we do that give us guidance 580 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 4: about whether to trust someone or not, because we don't 581 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 4: automically trust unless the person we're dealing with is like us. 582 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 4: So the more like us they are, the more likely 583 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 4: we are to automatically trust them. And if there are 584 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 4: any differences, so now they're not the same race as us, 585 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 4: they speak a different language from us, they're a different 586 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 4: religion from us. If there are any obvious differences between 587 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 4: them and us, then our likelihood of trust decreases and 588 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 4: we start to behave like you described great, which is 589 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 4: I'm just going to give this a few cycles first 590 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 4: before I completely trust this person. But the more like 591 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 4: you they are, the more likely you are to trust 592 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 4: them straight out of the gate. 593 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes total sense. 594 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: I used to be overwhelmingly to my own detriment trust 595 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: trusting with everybody and then running businesses, owning businesses, employing 596 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: people and all that stuff that comes with that. Not 597 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: with everybody, very small percentage of people, but people that 598 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: I really loved, really loved, really trusted, really valued, just 599 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: stole money from me, like repeatedly and took every opportunity, 600 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: not not. 601 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: Most, of course, but some and you. 602 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 2: Know, like people that were very high on my list 603 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 2: of people that I cared about. And it didn't happen 604 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: one time, it happened, you know, way more than a 605 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: dozen times. And yeah, so you get to the point 606 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: you think, well, actually trusting people automatically, which I have 607 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: always done, has not served me at all. It's actually 608 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: caused significant problems, so, you know, rather than and also 609 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: I don't hate them. I don't want any ill to 610 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 2: come to them. 611 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't, you know. And but for me. 612 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: It just takes a while where I go, oh, let's 613 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 2: just see, let me just let me just pay attention 614 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: for a while, and I'll see what happens and whether 615 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 2: or not I trust you. 616 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 4: But although the other thing to remember is the first 617 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 4: thing we talked about, which is there is that first second. 618 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 4: Then if your gut, if you want to describe it 619 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 4: any other way, if you get that feeling in the 620 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 4: first second that and you might you won't be able 621 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 4: to pin it. It'll just be there's something off with 622 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 4: this person. 623 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, trust that. 624 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's a kind of almost an 625 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 2: interpersonal superpower. 626 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: Hey, I wanted to ask you something before we go. 627 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: I read that. 628 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 2: Your book Toxic at Work has just been translated into 629 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 2: Japanese and it's just hitting the shells in Japan. 630 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: Firstly, congratulations. Secondly, I wanted. 631 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 2: To ask you, how do you know that what they've 632 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 2: translated is what. 633 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: You fucking do? You know what I mean? 634 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 4: It's not like people, you know, it's I trust people 635 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 4: and I have an AI to check things. So I 636 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 4: actually uploaded it to an AI. 637 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: You just contradicted yourself with that second sence. 638 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 2: I trust people also I double check on aigo. 639 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: I don't trust people. That's funny. 640 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 2: How did tell me a little bit about the process 641 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 2: of that, Like, how does that work? 642 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 4: It sounds a lot more impressive than it is from 643 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 4: my perspective, in the sense that I don't do much. 644 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 4: My publisher in Australia gets out there at book fairs 645 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 4: and so on and sells translations of various books. A 646 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 4: lot of my books are like there's Korean versions, Portuguese version, 647 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 4: Spanish versions, you name it. This is the first Japanese 648 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 4: one I think I've had. But it doesn't have a 649 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 4: lot to do with me other than saying, yeah, I'm 650 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 4: okay with that publisher publishing that book in that language. 651 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 2: Have you ever had something where they've had to bring 652 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: this to you and say, this idea or this story 653 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 2: or this concept culturally is not a great fit. Can 654 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: you give us another example or another story, or can 655 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 2: you say this a different way. 656 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely. I can't off the top of my 657 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 4: head think of examples, but it has come up. It 658 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 4: came up a couple of times, I think in some 659 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 4: translations around teen brain maybe brain reset. It was, yeah, 660 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 4: particularly the stuff about anarex here. Sometimes they're a little 661 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 4: cautious about that in some cultures. And yeah, they usually 662 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 4: don't ask to do a different version. They usually just 663 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 4: ask is it okay if we leave this out right? 664 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: Usually say sure, yeah, yeah, well perfect. Well make congratulations 665 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: on the handball, congratulations on the new book. I'll send you. 666 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 4: I'll send you a video of some handball TIFs so 667 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 4: you can see what I'm talking about. 668 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 6: I'm intrigued. I'm going to go look it up. 669 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: You could. Maybe you'd probably be. 670 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 3: Good people in the face. 671 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 4: I might, I might, she'd be she'd be very very 672 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 4: good at it. I suspect rules about it. If you 673 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 4: can't just go up and start punching people, it's not 674 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 4: like boxing. 675 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 2: You can then you do the hands in the air emogens. 676 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: I did not know. I did not know. She would 677 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 2: be quite good because she's pretty fast and powerful, and she's. 678 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: A bit of a brute. She's a bit of a weapon. 679 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, when you next come up to Brisbane, Tiff, 680 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 4: you need to give me a yell. I'll get you 681 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 4: onto a handwalk, Cord. 682 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 3: Right eight October. I'm there. 683 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: Yeah done, Wow, that's next month. Yeah yeah, are you 684 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: going to actually do it? 685 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 4: We'll get video of it. You'll see proof, Craig. 686 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: That'd be great, say only if only that bloke would 687 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 2: drop off the testosterone. I'd be on like a shot, 688 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 2: you know how I keep looking out the window in 689 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 2: the morning. 690 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: All right, David, we'll say goodbye fair but as always, 691 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: thank you sir. 692 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, pleasure to see you later. Thanks TIV, thank you,