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Speaker 1: From the Newsroom A news to come today.

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Speaker 2: Gooday, I'm Andrew Buckler, and what a week it has

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Speaker 2: been since Anthony Albanezi made this announcement last Friday.

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Speaker 3: This morning I visited the Governor General and her excellency

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Speaker 3: has accepted my advice. Did an election be held on

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Speaker 3: Saturday third of May? Two thy and twenty five?

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Speaker 2: Oh? We bloody love a federal election at news dot

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Speaker 2: com dot a U. So we've decided that each Friday,

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Speaker 2: we're going to have an election themed episode of from

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Speaker 2: the Newsroom. Starting today. In this EPP, we're going to

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Speaker 2: hear from our journals who've been traveling around the country

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Speaker 2: with Albow and Peter Dutton on their campaign buses. They've

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Speaker 2: got some great insider secrets. Plus will be joined by

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Speaker 2: our political editor Samantha Maiden, who's going to tell us

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Speaker 2: who won week one of the campaign Labor or the Coalition. Well,

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Speaker 2: to kick things off, we're gonna hear from news dot

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Speaker 2: com dot U Sam Clench, who's been aboard the Labour

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Speaker 2: campaign bus.

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Speaker 1: What has it been like? Well, he sent us this

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Speaker 1: report a little bit earlier.

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Speaker 4: It was a pretty consistent cadence to the Albanzer campaign

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Speaker 4: for most of this first week, you'd get up in

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Speaker 4: the morning, pilon to the bus, drive to some sort

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Speaker 4: of event, usually held at a health care facility of

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Speaker 4: and then you get a chance to ask some questions

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Speaker 4: at a press conference. After that it's off to the

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Speaker 4: airport to fly somewhere else. So I joined the campaign

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Speaker 4: on Sunday morning in Canberra. Since then we've been to Perth, Adelaide,

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Speaker 4: Melbourne and Bernie in northwest Tasmania. As I speak to

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Speaker 4: you now, it's early on Thursday morning. You know we're

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Speaker 4: going to two more locations today, but don't know what

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Speaker 4: those locations will be yet. That's typical. They don't really

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Speaker 4: tell you where you're going until you're en route, or

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Speaker 4: even until you get there. I take two things about

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Speaker 4: this campaign so far compared to my experience during previous selections.

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Speaker 4: One is it's very safe, very controlled. Albanesi has yet

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Speaker 4: So in a typical event, say he's visiting a maternity wards.

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Speaker 4: For example, Labour's advanced team has found a patient with

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Speaker 4: a cute baby who's willing to meet the PM and

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Speaker 4: who they know will not be hostile to him, so

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Speaker 4: he shows up. He spends a couple of minutes chatting

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Speaker 4: to that person in front of the cameras, and that's that.

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Speaker 4: He moves on.

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Speaker 3: Well, wrap here, snug as a bug in a rug.

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Speaker 2: Look very good at that at.

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Speaker 3: The highlight of my day, extra sugar.

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Speaker 4: We have not seen the PM, for example, walk through

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Speaker 4: thing has always been a staple of Australian election campaigns,

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Speaker 4: but it's an uncontrolled environment, right, There's a risk that

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Speaker 4: someone will have a go at you. So the campaign

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Speaker 4: has been avoiding that sort of exposure so far. So

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Speaker 4: there have been a very few incidents of drama, you

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Speaker 4: might say. My second observation is that Albanese seems more comfortable.

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Speaker 4: The last time he often seemed quite nervous. In twenty

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is news dot Com dot Use political

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Speaker 2: editor Samantha made and Sam I would like to ask you,

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Speaker 2: in your opinion, what the two biggest stories of the

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Speaker 2: campaign have been so far.

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Speaker 1: Hit me with number one at Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: I think Donald Trump in cost of living. But number

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Speaker 5: one this week I think has been all about tariffs.

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Speaker 6: In a few moments, I will sign a historic executive

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Speaker 6: order instituting reciprocal tariffs on countries throughout the world. Reciprocal

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Speaker 6: that means they do it to us and we do

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Speaker 5: I think the whole thing with Donald Trump is just

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Speaker 5: I remember only a couple of weeks ago, I was

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Speaker 5: I've got a ten percent GST And the initial reaction

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Speaker 5: was kind of, well, I don't know exactly what's going

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Speaker 5: now about Australians thinking Donald Trump is bonkers and rather

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Speaker 5: it's in Canada or here in Australia, actually helping center left.

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Speaker 1: Parties, Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: We've obviously heard Albow come out and talk about his

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Speaker 3: It is the American people who will pay the biggest

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Speaker 3: price for these unjustified tariffs. This is why our government

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Speaker 3: will not be seeking to impose reciprocal tariffs.

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Speaker 4: We will not join a race to.

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Speaker 3: The bottom that leads to higher prices and slower growth.

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Speaker 1: How does Dutton play.

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Speaker 5: The so you think, well, Peter Dutton has come out

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Speaker 5: he's put on his Tazan act and said I will

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Speaker 5: fight Donald Trump in a cage match. Name he didn't

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Speaker 3: We have a special relationship with the United States and

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Speaker 3: it hasn't been treated with respect by the administration or

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Speaker 5: It's a tricky one for him to walk right because

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Speaker 5: get up and say, we will you know, decide who

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Speaker 2: There certainly is more with Sam in just a moment,

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Speaker 2: campaign Welcome back on Chattingtonews dot com Dot i use

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Speaker 2: political editor Samantha Maiden. Sam, you said that Trump is

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Speaker 2: probably the biggest issue of the campaign, So what would

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Speaker 2: you say the second has been.

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Speaker 5: Well, the second biggest issue, which is really the first

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Speaker 5: and intertwined with Donald Trump's cost of living. All of

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Speaker 5: these things are intertwined. There's obviously a concern that tarifs

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Speaker 5: all of the opposition and the Labor Party's announcements have

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Speaker 5: Peter Dutton has announced, He's announced a one off, twelve

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Speaker 5: he's going to pick up seats. He's also talked about

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Speaker 1: So we're one week into this five week election campaign

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Speaker 1: at the end of its Sam, who do you think

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Speaker 5: coming off a low base. But I think he was

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Speaker 1: Just quickly, can I ask you about those debates? Are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's one that's locked in the first one

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Speaker 5: is the Sky News Daily Telegraph debate. I think that's

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Speaker 5: next week, so that'll be really interesting. We've already seen

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Speaker 5: Peter Dutton out and about at a pub with Paul Murray.

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Speaker 5: They had the pub test the other night, and I

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Speaker 5: very confident, he's got a really clear line. I think

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Speaker 5: Peter Dutton performs very well in those circumstances. But I

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Speaker 5: think that he's been hit by a bit of a

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Speaker 5: wind change on Donald Trump. You know. I think for

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, for example, you know, Peter Dutton could definitely

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Speaker 5: sit down and have a very interesting discussion with him

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Speaker 5: about borders, for example, was seen as a positive thing.

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Speaker 5: But now Labour's really trying to ramp up this idea

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Speaker 5: that he's Tamu Trump, he's a cut price Trump americanization

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Speaker 5: of politics. They're trying to flip the narrative when he's

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Speaker 5: talking about basically cutting public servants, linking that to Elon

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Speaker 5: Musk that he's trying to do things with schools. He's

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Speaker 5: questioned why we have a big Department of Education federally

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Speaker 5: to sort of pin him up as a sort of

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Speaker 5: Australian Donald Trump, which is going to play into everybody's

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Speaker 5: so I think that's why it's not normal for a

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Speaker 5: political leader to offer to fight the leader of the

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Speaker 5: free world. But that's why I think Peter Dutton's trying

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Speaker 5: to draw some distinctions, and he was doing that to

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Speaker 5: be fair in the last couple of weeks already as

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Speaker 5: well over tariffs in particular, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Very much, Sam.

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Speaker 2: Before we write this episode up, we're going to hear

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Speaker 2: from one of our reporters who spent the last week

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Speaker 2: abought the Liberal Party by.

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Speaker 7: This is Jess Wang, I cover federal politics for Newswire.

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Speaker 7: I've been following Peter Dutton's bus for about the last

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Speaker 7: five days. It's a similar setup to what Sam Clench

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Speaker 7: would be doing on Olbow's bus, but we have been

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Speaker 7: finding that security is a lot tougher. We generally don't

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Speaker 7: know where we're going when we're getting on the bus

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Speaker 7: or even a plane. The flight attendants sort of don't

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Speaker 7: really tell us.

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Speaker 4: I think they've all been brief to keep all.

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Speaker 7: In any information on the down low.

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Speaker 2: Largely.

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Speaker 7: I think this was part due to the protesters. On

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Speaker 7: day one, we have two separate incidents where a Rising

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Speaker 7: Tide protester came and interrupted a media event or press event.

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Speaker 7: Why lying to.

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Speaker 5: These staring people, that's cost of nuclear and going to

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Speaker 5: cook the country.

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Speaker 7: It's going to cook our class line these same people

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Speaker 7: about the class of ducular no more guests missus Lovely's

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Speaker 7: line as to how they found out about the event,

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Speaker 7: these details are really tightly guarded. Unclear how they snuck

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Speaker 7: into the venue. But since then I think if anything,

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Speaker 7: there's been an uptic insecurity. The journalists traveling on the

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Speaker 7: bus do affectionately term it the Magic Mystery Tour. As

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Speaker 7: we travel around Australia ahead of the federal election on

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Speaker 7: May three, Like Anthony Albanezi, Peter Dutton has visited quite

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Speaker 7: a few states. Where we started off in Brisbane, then

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Speaker 7: set to make a six hundred million dollar roads announcement.

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Speaker 7: We've yet to visit Tasmania, which is interesting because that's

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Speaker 7: quite crucial to the coalition's re election strategy. They've got

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Speaker 7: a few seats they're targeting there and of course the

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Speaker 7: Northern Territory. We haven't heard too much from just Center

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Speaker 7: an Open Price as of yet, but I'm sure that

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Speaker 7: will feature more as we head into the campaign trail.

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Speaker 7: Instead of in terms of policy, the first two days

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Speaker 7: were really dominated by the coalition's gas policy. A lot

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Speaker 7: of the questions were around when are we got to

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Speaker 7: find out how much his gas policy is actually going

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Speaker 7: to benefit Australian's electricity bills. Is yet to answer that.

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Speaker 7: We're going to see modeling eventually. Another policy that's getting

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Speaker 7: quite a vigorous rundown during press conferences is the coalition's

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Speaker 7: plans to cut forty one thousand sorry jobs from the

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Speaker 7: public service. We still don't know how that's going to

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Speaker 7: be done. Is it going to be done through mass redundancies,

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Speaker 7: natural attrition where you just have people leaving and retiring

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Speaker 7: the workforce. But he says it will save Australia and

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Speaker 7: Australia's budget bottom line a lot of money. But we're

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Speaker 7: still pretty scart on those details.

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Speaker 2: Some fascinating insights there from our team. If you want

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