WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 10 July

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<v Speaker 1>From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, good evening, Thank you Caleb. Great to be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>James Borrow here sitting in for Paul Murray here on

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Murray Live. And we have got yet another massive,

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<v Speaker 2>all killer, no fillers show for you tonight, including the

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<v Speaker 2>latest Yes, there's more weirdness from old Swampy Joe and

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<v Speaker 2>what he said at the NATO summit this was pretty strange,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as Oh, your favorite of mine, Malcolm Turnbull.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he's tweeted himself into a bit of a quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know social media is a sewer, but when

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you about this one, you're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>toasting elon musk. Trust me on this one. And in

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<v Speaker 2>just a few moments, Bronwin Bishop joins me here with

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Hildebrand and all your favorites. But before we get

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<v Speaker 2>to all that, you know, I got to say we

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<v Speaker 2>have spent so much time in recent months on this

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<v Speaker 2>desk elsewhere talking about the helpless and hapless ministers of

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<v Speaker 2>the Albanesi government. You know Chris Bowen, who I sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>think is so against nuclear power because he can't pronounce

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<v Speaker 2>the word right, you know, nuclear. He always says. And

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<v Speaker 2>then there's Andrew Giles, the hapless Immigration minister who started

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<v Speaker 2>out his career in politics as a lawyer for the

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<v Speaker 2>Tampa refugees and wound up being tapped by Anthony Albanizi

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<v Speaker 2>as the guy to be tough on borders as if.

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<v Speaker 2>But look there's another minister who really needs to go

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<v Speaker 2>and should have gone long ago. I'm talking about Indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>Affairs Minister Linda Bernie. Now remember her from the voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Well she's at it again, or rather not at it.

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<v Speaker 2>All week we've been talking about the snap three day

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<v Speaker 2>curfew and Alice Springs, something that you know would be

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of thing you reckon the Indigenous Affairs Minister

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<v Speaker 2>would consider important her portfolio. Yet it seems like Bernie

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<v Speaker 2>has been again strangely m I A. Maybe she's been

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<v Speaker 2>off counting the pages in the ULARU statement. Who knows,

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<v Speaker 2>And despite repeated calls for comment, she has been pretty

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<v Speaker 2>silent until yesterday when she popped up on the very

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<v Speaker 2>friendly airwaves of the ABC and she told Aunty that well,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't arrest your way out of this problem. The

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<v Speaker 2>judicial system is not the answer, she said, but the

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<v Speaker 2>community working with governments is the answer, well, okay, right,

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<v Speaker 2>all very well, in good nice motherhood statement their minister,

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<v Speaker 2>but what are you doing about this? What are you

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<v Speaker 2>the Albanezi government doing about this? Well, it turns out

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<v Speaker 2>it's about as much as she did to get the

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<v Speaker 2>Voice over the line, which is to say, not much,

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<v Speaker 2>which in that case I could live with. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>just on that subject, let's have a little refresher as

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<v Speaker 2>to how effective she was back then.

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<v Speaker 3>We just finished to racially how.

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<v Speaker 4>Racist?

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<v Speaker 2>You know why.

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<v Speaker 5>It is importing Trump style politics to Australia. It is

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<v Speaker 5>post truth and the same is to polarize.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when you can't win, just blame Trump and of

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<v Speaker 2>course remember that. Finally, in the last disastrous weeks of

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<v Speaker 2>the Voice campaign, she was shelved, effectively demoted from Alendari

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<v Speaker 2>McCarthy the assistant junior Minister. And again I was happy

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<v Speaker 2>to see the Voice go down. I suspect you might

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<v Speaker 2>have been too. But the more incompetence that surrounded the

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<v Speaker 2>s campaign the better. Fine, now though things are more serious.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just a bunch of ludicrous grievance industry city

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<v Speaker 2>cures that are on the line as they were with

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<v Speaker 2>the Voice. Instead, it's lives in a community. Bernie is

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<v Speaker 2>now facing calls for her resignation, just as Giles and

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<v Speaker 2>others before her. Warren Mundine told the Skuy News website

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<v Speaker 2>today Unfortunately she's just not up for it. But will

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<v Speaker 2>she go, of course not, because the entire Albanese government

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<v Speaker 2>is like a much higher stakes version of the public service,

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<v Speaker 2>where there is no consequence for bad behavior and it's

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<v Speaker 2>all but impossible to get the sack for incompetence because

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<v Speaker 2>remember Alba wants to go into this next election campaign

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be later this year, if my mail

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<v Speaker 2>is correct, without having lost a single minister. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>weird point of pride for the prime minister. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>also dumb management. I mean, think about this. How many

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<v Speaker 2>ministers did John Howard have to shoot in the first

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<v Speaker 2>year of his government? Seven and he went on to

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<v Speaker 2>be one of our longest serving and most successful prime ministers.

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<v Speaker 2>Much better to send the message that bad behavior and

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<v Speaker 2>incompetence won't be tolerated than to let duds hang around

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<v Speaker 2>as a point of pride. Linda Burney, you're a dud. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of duds, what about old swampy Joe. Yet there

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<v Speaker 2>he is the weekend at Biden's tour continues with the

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<v Speaker 2>NATO summit helpfully coming to Washington, d C. This year.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god for that, because that means there's none of

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<v Speaker 2>those long plane flights for Joe that it takes twelve

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<v Speaker 2>days to recover from Lucky him. Anyway, Let's have a

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<v Speaker 2>little listen to what the President had to say in

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<v Speaker 2>regard to NATO's Secretary Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg earlier. Listen carefully,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe watch the lady doing the sign language to see

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<v Speaker 2>if she has any clues about what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 6>Spectorating, guys was alliance to one of the most consequential

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<v Speaker 6>periods in I realize i've your wife. I personally asked

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<v Speaker 6>you to extend your service forgive me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well sorry what Yeah, Look, apparently he said that he

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to his wife, but it sounded a little

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<v Speaker 2>well different. And one of the big questions on everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>mind is now, now that we know that the president

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<v Speaker 2>has eight o'clock bedtime, what happens if something goes down

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<v Speaker 2>after hours? Fox News White House correspondent Peter Doocey asked

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<v Speaker 2>this very simple question of White House Presbytery Secretary Karine

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<v Speaker 2>Jean Pierre, and let's just say it did go over

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<v Speaker 2>very well.

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<v Speaker 7>We know the President says that his health is fine,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's just his brain, and that he's sharpest before.

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<v Speaker 8>He's joking, by the way, I just want to make

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<v Speaker 8>sure that that's out there. And he was making a

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<v Speaker 8>light hearted joke as he was speaking off He's speaking

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<v Speaker 8>off the cuff and was making a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the President, he likes to joke a lot.

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<v Speaker 8>He's the same guy who says, I know I look

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<v Speaker 8>forty right, So he likes to make jokes.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a joke here. I think people laugh when

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<v Speaker 3>he says it.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, he also said he's sharpest before eight pm. So

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<v Speaker 7>say that the Pentagon at some point picks up incoming nuke,

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<v Speaker 7>it's eleven pm.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you call the first lady?

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<v Speaker 8>He has a team that lets him know of any

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<v Speaker 8>of any news.

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<v Speaker 3>That is pertinent and important to the American people.

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<v Speaker 8>He has someone or that is decided obviously with his

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<v Speaker 8>National Security Council, and who gets to tell him that news?

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<v Speaker 2>Boom, Well we got a little more out of Junior

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<v Speaker 2>White House flat John Kirby.

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<v Speaker 9>He gets calls in the middle of the night all

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<v Speaker 9>the time, and you know a couple of G sevens

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<v Speaker 9>Ago Brett. You might remember there was a missile that

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<v Speaker 9>fell in Poland. There was a concern that it could

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<v Speaker 9>have been a Russian missile. That call came in to

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<v Speaker 9>him in the middle of the night. He called together

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<v Speaker 9>the G seven at a snap meeting by eight o'clock

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<v Speaker 9>that morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well that's great, that's okay. He returns the call

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning. What could go wrong anyway? And sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I gotta sneak this one in before

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<v Speaker 2>we get to the panel. And gosh, I love this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I gotta say thank god for Elon Musk, who

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<v Speaker 2>on his Twitter now x platform has introduced a little

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<v Speaker 2>feature called community notes. Basically, what happens there is if

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<v Speaker 2>you say something, if you tweet something ridiculous and stupid

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<v Speaker 2>and wrong, other people get to call you on it

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<v Speaker 2>and it gets stucking right there on whatever tweet you

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<v Speaker 2>made the error on. It's pretty funny and embarrassing when

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<v Speaker 2>it happens, particularly what happens to Malcolm Turnbull. And today

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<v Speaker 2>he got pinged. Yes that's right. Malcolm Turnbull, who, let's

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<v Speaker 2>not forget, has his very own renewables company quote specializing

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<v Speaker 2>in the development of wind, solar and energy storage projects unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>Was out there on x or Twitter, whatever you want

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<v Speaker 2>to call it, talking down nuclear and you know where

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<v Speaker 2>this is heading. In a long thread of tweets, nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>power turbul wrote that nuclear plants quote run continuously, cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be turned on and off the flick of the switch. Thus,

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<v Speaker 2>even if they weren't hugely expensive and take decades to build,

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<v Speaker 2>they are not the right fit for Australian's energy mix unquote. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>helpful Twitter users managed to get this appended to Malcolm

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<v Speaker 2>Turnboll's claims, noting that in France, quote the demonstrated flexibility

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<v Speaker 2>of French nuclear power plants, which today account for about

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<v Speaker 2>three quarters of the zero carbon production, clearly shows the

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<v Speaker 2>way for the complementarity of variable renewables and nuclear in

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<v Speaker 2>a decarbonized economy. Well, there you have it, Malcolm. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get into this now. I got a great panel

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<v Speaker 2>here tonight. It is a crowded night here in the

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<v Speaker 2>man Cave. Broadwin, Bishop Joe Hildebrand, so wonderful to see

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<v Speaker 2>you again. Now let's get on to the first topic here.

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<v Speaker 2>Linda Bernie, what do you reckon? Brown? Bishop? It's surely

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<v Speaker 2>time for her to be one of the many ministers

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<v Speaker 2>that needs to go with this government.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I actually feel rather sorry for her because I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think she's well, and I've thought that since the

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<v Speaker 4>debate on the voice. But you know, in a democracy,

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<v Speaker 4>when you are elected to a position and then you

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<v Speaker 4>are appointed to a specific job, if you fail and

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<v Speaker 4>are unable to carry it out, whether you're Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 4>or Linda Bernie, that is the failure of democracy because

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<v Speaker 4>the people's wish is not being answered, so clearly it

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<v Speaker 4>needs there is seriously, I need to have a new

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<v Speaker 4>minister in the Aboriginal Affairs portfolio. And secondly, when we've

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<v Speaker 4>seen these riots again in the springs, I've asked this

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<v Speaker 4>question before, where are the elders. The elders obviously have

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<v Speaker 4>a very large role to play in all of this

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<v Speaker 4>in bringing youth together to try and bring about some

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<v Speaker 4>some of the answers to the homes that are too

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<v Speaker 4>traumatic for kids to want to go home do or

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<v Speaker 4>the kids that just want to be in the street

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<v Speaker 4>selling a brawl. Anyway, So if we listen to Jacenter Price,

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<v Speaker 4>who says, well, let's give them jobs in the remote communities,

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<v Speaker 4>don't send in the FIFO people to come and do

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<v Speaker 4>the jobs.

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<v Speaker 10>Train the kids themselves to.

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<v Speaker 4>Do it, and give them the jobs, and allow them

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<v Speaker 4>to have a skill and invested interest in their own communities.

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<v Speaker 4>And the elders can play a very big job in

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<v Speaker 4>all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Brobert, I've been hearing this for decades, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard this on both sides of government. Here, this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of very common sense solution here. But Joe Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Albanezi, he comes into office. The thing he says

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<v Speaker 2>down at the at the league club wherever it.

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<v Speaker 11>Was, every Helston Park, Iris.

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<v Speaker 2>Cadbury, Helston Park RSL club. He goes, he We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have a voice, and I'm going to be an Indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>prime minister, and I'm gonna be you know, all about

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<v Speaker 2>this reconciliation stuff. The voice goes down.

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<v Speaker 12>I still remember the place where my Joe landed. Like

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<v Speaker 12>many fever was a surprise of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, yes, but it seems like ever since the

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<v Speaker 2>voice fell over, and we had a lot of discussions

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<v Speaker 2>about that, we haven't seen this government, and certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>this Prime Minister, talking much about these issues at all.

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<v Speaker 12>Look, he has he went to the Northern Territory and

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<v Speaker 12>dropped I think from memory a billion dollars on Aboriginal

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<v Speaker 12>housing and another billion on Aboriginal education in the territory.

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<v Speaker 11>So that's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 12>But again I think the problem, I think the problem

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<v Speaker 12>had had been and I think this happens when you

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<v Speaker 12>get someone coming a from the left and be from opposition.

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<v Speaker 12>They sort of just thought the Voice was happening. Of course,

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<v Speaker 12>everyone would vote for the voice. Why wouldn't you vote

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<v Speaker 12>for the voice. The campaign wasn't take and frankly as

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<v Speaker 12>seriously as it should have been. It was a vibe

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<v Speaker 12>was there was no discipline.

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<v Speaker 11>It was appalling.

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<v Speaker 12>The whole thing was appalling, and I think that was

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<v Speaker 12>a real I think for Linda, who was a very

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<v Speaker 12>very lovely person. But I think for Linda that was

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<v Speaker 12>a bit of a body blow and a shock. It

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<v Speaker 12>was in many ways, I think it was expected to

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<v Speaker 12>be her sort of legacy and Albanese is very close

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<v Speaker 12>to Linda Bernie, and it was going to be a legacy,

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<v Speaker 12>and then she would arguably not contest the next election

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<v Speaker 12>and missing the book.

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<v Speaker 10>That's all history.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact of the matter is there's a great crisis

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<v Speaker 4>in the territory and it needs attention and it needs

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<v Speaker 4>it now.

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<v Speaker 10>And you said, or he gave a billion.

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<v Speaker 4>Dollars for this and two hundred and fifty million dollars

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<v Speaker 4>for that, where does it go?

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<v Speaker 12>I like, I liked what just Enter Price has said.

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<v Speaker 12>I've always been a big supportive of dis and that's.

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<v Speaker 10>Why we need that role committit.

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<v Speaker 11>We've been talking about this.

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<v Speaker 12>A lot, and a lot of other people have been

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<v Speaker 12>talking about it as well. I can say, but yes,

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<v Speaker 12>there needs to be a change in There needs to

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<v Speaker 12>be a change in culture. There needs to be an

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<v Speaker 12>acknowledgment of the dysfunction, acknowledgment of the failure or rather

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<v Speaker 12>the perpetrators of the violence.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I reckon, Sorry, I'm just thinking about this. So

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<v Speaker 2>I remember Tony Abbot would bring his cabinet out to

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<v Speaker 2>the Northern Territory and and you know, it just does

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<v Speaker 2>seem to me like this government have to talk in

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<v Speaker 2>a very big game on it. And it's an important issue.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, has been science from mating some checks. And

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<v Speaker 2>last night we had Matthew Patterson, the mayor of Alice Springs,

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<v Speaker 2>on this program and he said, well, it's great that

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<v Speaker 2>they've written the checks some money hasn't done flow, and

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know where it's going.

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<v Speaker 4>To wind up going until we know billions and billions

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<v Speaker 4>and billions of money is being spent, Where has who's

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<v Speaker 4>got the money, what's.

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<v Speaker 11>Been You have to you have to you have to

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<v Speaker 11>change the culture. You have to have accountability.

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<v Speaker 12>You have to make sure that they have private, private

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<v Speaker 12>housing that people feel proud of, so it's not just

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<v Speaker 12>left to rack and run. That's been a problem. You've

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<v Speaker 12>got to make sure you get rid of the humbugging.

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<v Speaker 12>You've got to make sure that fed when they get

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<v Speaker 12>to school so they're not learning his stomach, and make

0:15:58.560 --> 0:15:59.520
<v Speaker 12>sure they're being taught in Well, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys, until we know where that money is gone, and

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<v Speaker 4>there's no point in spending anymore because it is clearly

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<v Speaker 4>not solving anything. So that's why there used the need

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<v Speaker 4>for that Royal Commission talking.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say, I'm going to say you both

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<v Speaker 2>right here. Joe's right, we need private enterprise more than that,

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, we need the Royal Commission. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>also we've got another big story today, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>second boat of illegal immigrants in a week has been

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<v Speaker 2>intercepted by border Force. This one had forty four guys

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<v Speaker 2>on it. They were intercepted by Border Force. They were

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<v Speaker 2>from I think there were Royal Hingers and I think

0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:41.080
<v Speaker 2>they were from Banglin Jesh. I think anyway, they learned

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<v Speaker 2>about the possibility of going to Australia through that great

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<v Speaker 2>app TikTok and then they were intercepted sitting on their

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<v Speaker 2>way Bronwin. Do we have a restarting of the boats?

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<v Speaker 2>Have the people smugglers said? I reckon this government might

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<v Speaker 2>be a bit of a light touch.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, It's always the problem with labor.

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<v Speaker 10>They don't believe in secure borders.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's been proven whether it was Rud, whether it

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<v Speaker 4>was Gillard, whether it was Rud again, it.

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<v Speaker 10>Always ends up the same. So until we have.

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<v Speaker 4>A change of government and they know that the coalition

0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.040
<v Speaker 4>government means what it says and it will stop the

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<v Speaker 4>boats and it doesn't matter on whatever issue pertains to

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<v Speaker 4>the immigration issues, to people who come with visas and

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<v Speaker 4>then overstay and try and seek the stylum on every

0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.080
<v Speaker 4>issue the government looks weak and the Minister Giles is

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<v Speaker 4>so weak that people can see a mile offt that

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<v Speaker 4>there's it's worth having to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing job. I mean, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the appointment of Andrew Giles I've mentioned in my editorial.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought from the start that that was a strange

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<v Speaker 2>appointment for this government because remember Andrew Giles. He has

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<v Speaker 2>said many times he got into politics because he was

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer representing Tampa refugees. And I sort of thought

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<v Speaker 2>to myself, this guy does not seem like the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of it's could be the sort of hard nut to say.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're in attention, you're going home. You know.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, when he first got the job, I just assumed

0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:17.680
<v Speaker 11>it was punishment for him.

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<v Speaker 12>This is actually what happens in the time when when

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<v Speaker 12>Julia Gillard took over from Kevin Rudd, she made Chris

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<v Speaker 12>Bowen Immigration Minister, and considered to be punishment for Chris

0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.359
<v Speaker 12>Bowen supporting Kevin Rudd.

0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.040
<v Speaker 10>So I just try to punish that.

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<v Speaker 11>That was the word. Chris Bowen is a wonderful man.

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<v Speaker 12>He's a fine, upstanding human being, doing a great job

0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:41.040
<v Speaker 12>on yeah, transition, But but no, clearly Andrew Giles is

0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:45.160
<v Speaker 12>not up to the job. Obviously, people smugglers will test

0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.119
<v Speaker 12>the resolve of any new government, particularly a labor government,

0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.400
<v Speaker 12>fair enough, but the Operation Borders is still ongoing. It's

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<v Speaker 12>still the protocols are still the same, the operations are

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<v Speaker 12>still the same.

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<v Speaker 11>The difference is but different.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, but now you've had the ends and y Q decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that you've had this decision, You now suddenly have

0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the regime of detention right very much under threat.

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<v Speaker 11>Exactly which is exactly what I was about to say.

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<v Speaker 12>And that is the that is the fatal floor of

0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.000
<v Speaker 12>the Achilles heel and the system, if you like. And

0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.639
<v Speaker 12>again the idea that you could have an immigration minister

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<v Speaker 12>to whom it was flagged that this was the decision

0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.639
<v Speaker 12>that was about to be handed down, and still not

0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.560
<v Speaker 12>have a plan B in case of emergency break glass

0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.159
<v Speaker 12>ready to the fact that it didn't even turn up

0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.240
<v Speaker 12>to the breath, the fact that he and then the

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<v Speaker 12>fact that you know, even six months later after it happened,

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<v Speaker 12>or however many months later after it happened, there was

0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:39.200
<v Speaker 12>still no he still hadn't actually advanced this issuere prepared

0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.720
<v Speaker 12>these safeguards. The fact that the monetary sal is that

0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:44.320
<v Speaker 12>he will be gone in the next three shuffle, I

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<v Speaker 12>can guarantee you.

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<v Speaker 10>With that, But have you got the information when it's

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<v Speaker 10>going I can.

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<v Speaker 11>Just promise you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I was what do you know? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know something? There on the phone.

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<v Speaker 12>You told me that the election was going to be

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<v Speaker 12>before the end of the year. So I imagine there

0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.200
<v Speaker 12>will be a reshuffle before then. It's still my life

0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.600
<v Speaker 12>and I imagine, yeah, I still think it would be

0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.880
<v Speaker 12>more wise to give Queensland voters afore time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well this is what this is why I say later

0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.280
<v Speaker 2>in the year. But but now, listen, let's stay, let's stay,

0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:12.960
<v Speaker 2>let's stay out.

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<v Speaker 4>If they go on the thirty first of Augers, I

0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:19.320
<v Speaker 4>don't go on the old borders, on the old borders.

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<v Speaker 12>But we've already got you've already got the coalition up

0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.399
<v Speaker 12>fifty four to forty six in Queensland based on the

0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:28.520
<v Speaker 12>latest News poll. Imagine the slaughter that they are going

0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.879
<v Speaker 12>to get in Queensland if they go to the polls before.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is it, This is it? This extraordinary? Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>This extraordinary? Though? When you look at some of the polls,

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<v Speaker 2>including the latest Roy Morgan and some of these other numbers,

0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.680
<v Speaker 2>that the coalition is now quite competitive two years in

0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.160
<v Speaker 2>to a first term government, I think that's I think

0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.160
<v Speaker 2>that that, yes, this is true.

0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:51.480
<v Speaker 10>When I was in that campaign.

0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.440
<v Speaker 11>Roy Morgan is notoriously unreliable.

0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.879
<v Speaker 2>Though sure we do that again. We do know that

0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.120
<v Speaker 2>news pool is the pool to go with.

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<v Speaker 11>But I want to stay.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to stay though. With this migration issue

0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.880
<v Speaker 2>here for a minute, because we've had yet another huge

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<v Speaker 2>number of people. And these are people who land here

0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.520
<v Speaker 2>on a visa. They're students, they're here to work whatever,

0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:16.720
<v Speaker 2>and then maybe they're visa's coming to an end, they

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<v Speaker 2>want to stay, and they put their hand on and

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:22.120
<v Speaker 2>they say, oh, I'm a refugee. Suddenly they get to stay.

0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.080
<v Speaker 2>And we've got I think one hundred and two hundred

0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.320
<v Speaker 2>thousand of these people now who work the system. They're

0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.680
<v Speaker 2>allowed to study, they're allowed to work, they're basically allowed

0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.200
<v Speaker 2>to stay, and they're impossible to kick out because they're

0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:37.240
<v Speaker 2>declared refugees, even if they're from countries where there's basically

0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:41.679
<v Speaker 2>no oppression. I want to bring up a controversial idea,

0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 2>is it time? Because all of this goes back to

0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:49.760
<v Speaker 2>the old refugee conventions from practically a century ago, before

0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things have happened, including jet planes and

0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.320
<v Speaker 2>all of that sort of travel. Is it time for

0:21:55.560 --> 0:22:00.719
<v Speaker 2>nations like Australia, Joe, to start looking at the way

0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.240
<v Speaker 2>that we look at this sort of giving people automatic

0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 2>refugee status if they put their hand up.

0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:08.280
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it's an interesting way.

0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.760
<v Speaker 12>I mean, obviously someone who comes by plying and then

0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:14.120
<v Speaker 12>claims refugee status is a safer bet than someone who

0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:15.760
<v Speaker 12>comes from both with no.

0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they've they've covered it from someplace, you know.

0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.040
<v Speaker 12>I granted that, But I suppose it's a matter of firstly,

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.879
<v Speaker 12>it's a matter of their worthiness of being a refugee

0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.399
<v Speaker 12>against the kind of hierarchy of need if you like.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, except when we look at the Palestinian refugee circle,

0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.120
<v Speaker 4>refugees we're dating in with no scrutiny at all.

0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.879
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, yeah, Well again, like I said, someone who actually

0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.400
<v Speaker 12>comes here with a passport with identification, at least you

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.119
<v Speaker 12>can know that. You know they're not going to be secure.

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.200
<v Speaker 12>You know who they are, how old they are even.

0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, but Joe, but Joe, but Joe. They're coming from

0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, countries where if you look at the numbers

0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 2>that come out every month, a lot of these people

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.399
<v Speaker 2>come from countries where maybe one two three percent of

0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 2>people are actually judged be refugees and brown would they

0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.639
<v Speaker 2>clog up the system, they clog up the the Administrative

0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Appeals Tribunal, which labor is trying to blow up, you know,

0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.199
<v Speaker 2>so they could replace it with their own body, with

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.919
<v Speaker 2>their own people, and you know, be presumably even softer

0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:17.119
<v Speaker 2>on actually refugee refugee claim. But this just seems like

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:20.040
<v Speaker 2>a you know, a complete disaster that you know, they

0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 2>can blame Peter doun't all they want. But if you've

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 2>got a system where people come in and put their

0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.199
<v Speaker 2>hand up, you know, what do you do to stop that?

0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.320
<v Speaker 4>Well, you can have a better scrutiny, and we have

0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.440
<v Speaker 4>tighter rules about whether or not you get a visa.

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:35.320
<v Speaker 10>From certain country and go.

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 4>But four hundred and sixteen from Palestine, no scrutiny, here's

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.960
<v Speaker 4>a visa, off you go. You look at where where

0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 4>people are coming from, and that that's where the Titan

0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 4>up has to occur. Yeah, eighty one thousand at the

0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:53.440
<v Speaker 4>moment are waiting to be deported and eleven of left.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, So where's the will, where's the will to actually

0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 10>do it?

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<v Speaker 4>And I've got to say, it does happen, and sometimes

0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.879
<v Speaker 4>your heart really feels for the people concerned.

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:05.400
<v Speaker 10>I remember in my electorate.

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 4>I had an Indonesian couple with two kids, and the

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 4>kids were in a selective high school within the electorate.

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.600
<v Speaker 4>They were doing really, really well. They would have made

0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:20.679
<v Speaker 4>damn good citizens. But they were illegal. They came on

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.359
<v Speaker 4>their visus, they overstayed and they had to leave. So

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 4>when it's done to people like that, how come it's

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 4>not being done to the others?

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 12>Well, that's right, everyone would that be the exact same

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:34.680
<v Speaker 12>argument that other people are making.

0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:37.879
<v Speaker 4>There are other people who've come in and said we

0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 4>want to we want to stay, and you know that.

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 12>The other people are saying, we're here where good citizens,

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 12>We've got jobs.

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 11>No, no, no, the community are more like the buildings.

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.960
<v Speaker 4>There are many many more who come in and they

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 4>just want to really get on the welfare system.

0:24:54.440 --> 0:25:00.680
<v Speaker 2>But if you if you overstayed, if you overstay visa,

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:04.399
<v Speaker 2>you're not supposed to be here. I mean, I'm sorry,

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 2>you know the rules. It's it's not you know, opaque.

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 2>And your point about these Palestinian refugees so called who

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:13.920
<v Speaker 2>come in, and I'm sure that they weren't any of

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the ones who were out chanting in the streets of

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.919
<v Speaker 2>Gaza and celebrating and beating the bodies when they were

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 2>dragged in on October seventh. I'm sure these role the

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<v Speaker 2>good ones who don't support Hamas. But anyway, let's move

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<v Speaker 2>on here because there's another story here which I think

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<v Speaker 2>is just outrageous. I think it's ridiculous thing. It just

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<v Speaker 2>shows how silly things have gotten. Captain Cook his river

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<v Speaker 2>in Sydney is going to be might possibly be renamed

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<v Speaker 2>the Cooks River in Sydney, maybe renamed Gulayari. Don't write

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<v Speaker 2>it if I've got that wrong, as part of a

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 2>proposal from something called the Cook's River Alliance, so it

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:55.720
<v Speaker 2>actually sounds more like the Anti Cook River Alliance. Here's

0:25:55.800 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 2>Gregory Andrews from Liarbird Dreaming, who is very in went

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<v Speaker 2>in this group. How have a look at this?

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<v Speaker 13>Maybe people could think about it similarly to Laroo, But

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<v Speaker 13>most people think of Aolaroo now as a Laroo, not

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<v Speaker 13>Airs Rock, because it was always called Laroo, and then

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<v Speaker 13>some white fellas came along, you know, a few hundred

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 13>years ago or even a bit less than that, and

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 13>started calling it after a bloke called Airs who was

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<v Speaker 13>probably the explorer at the time, just like the Cooks

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<v Speaker 13>River was James Cook so it's not really renaming, it's

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<v Speaker 13>getting it back the name that it's always had.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, Joe, I come from New York, which

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<v Speaker 2>used to be New Amsterdare I believe that you might

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<v Speaker 2>live kind of in the proximity of the Cook River?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you? Does it? Does it? You know? As a

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<v Speaker 2>good lefty to saying the Cook River just speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>every time with colonialist colonial tread, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 12>Immediately, I immediately reflect on all the terrible things were done.

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<v Speaker 12>But I think the best part of renaming the Cooks

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 12>River would be that it would instantly solve all these

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:07.920
<v Speaker 12>problems in our springs. Yes, thank you, just like everything

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 12>else that has been done in this space has instantly

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 12>solved all those problems. I would much rather see young

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 12>indigenous leaders, the leaders of tomorrow, on the ground, stepping up,

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 12>taking responsibility for what's happening in remote communities and being

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 12>the first there to fix it, rather than people saying, oh,

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 12>let's just look at a map and see what we

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 12>can do.

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<v Speaker 4>You and I are totally agree that they're the points

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 4>that I made earlier.

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<v Speaker 11>It's good to see you agreeing with me, always agreeing

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 11>with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, Yes, look at the nonsense of this name changing. Yes,

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 4>seventy was cal Richards. Who've got these figures. Seventy five

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 4>percent of names across Australia are indigenous names, correct, But

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<v Speaker 4>the gift that came with colonialism was being able to

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<v Speaker 4>write them down, because writing.

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:58.879
<v Speaker 10>Is part of that dreadful colonial process.

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 4>Horrible there was written language.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, Now I grew up in I grew up in

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.959
<v Speaker 11>danning On, which was a native. But the point is,

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 11>the point is the high unemployment.

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 4>The point is that people try and use Captain Cook,

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 4>who is actually a remarkable figure by.

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<v Speaker 2>Any absolutely absolutely what.

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 4>He achieved in scientific terms and everything else. So I'm

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<v Speaker 4>very proud that he came here.

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 2>He was a great He was a great scientist, a

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 2>great humanity had scientist.

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 12>Actually wasn't it wasn't actually and he was.

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't from he was from the aristocracy. He is

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 2>a great story. And I think, you know, this whole

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 2>thing about people talking down James Cook, I think it's

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>terrible and worth these idiots though, and you know, get

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<v Speaker 2>their angle grinders out.

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<v Speaker 9>You know.

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.719
<v Speaker 4>The matter is we've built a fantastic country here and

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 4>we want those people in.

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 10>The remote communities to get a share of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's let's also talk about keeping the keeping the

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 2>lights on in this fantastic country of ours, because there

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 2>was a fascinating little story here out of Canberra, and

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>it seems, Bronwin that they have worked out a way too.

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>When you've got your new evy in your garage, you've

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 2>got it plugged in, and then the sun's not shining

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>for this night and the wind's not blowing because there's

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>nothing going on and there's no electricity. They're going to

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>suck all the power out of your car to keep

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 2>the grid going. There's a wonderful acronym for this program,

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<v Speaker 2>Bronwhen can you enlighten us about it?

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<v Speaker 10>You financi would all come out now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Fourth and March twenty twenty three my article was published

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<v Speaker 4>in the Spectator and it was about now Elbow wants

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<v Speaker 4>your electricity two. A new government program plans to rob

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<v Speaker 4>consumers of their own energy supplies.

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<v Speaker 10>It's called.

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 4>That stands for Distributed Energy Resources program.

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Who comes up with these names?

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 10>It's part of EMO. He's part of their plan.

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<v Speaker 4>They are planning not only to take it out of

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 4>your car, but sold pedals out of your batteries whenever

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 4>they feel as a shortage of power. You're all be

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 4>forced to have smart meters and I will suck it

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 4>out and.

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<v Speaker 10>You pay for it.

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<v Speaker 12>A second, it's not a sacred conspiracy, though. This is

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 12>part of there's a there's a program called nothing. A

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 12>book was written called called Electrify Everything. And the idea

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 12>is and the idea is that you make and the

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 12>idea is that you use your car as a giant battery.

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<v Speaker 2>Hang on, hang on, Sorry, how do I know what, Joe? Like,

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, I work all these crazy hours at the

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>paper here on sky, and you know I need my car.

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 2>And how do I know that they haven't needed to

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 2>stabilize the grid? Like and I go and turn on

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>a car and it's like, oh, there's nothing in there,

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 2>because you know, they needed somebody needed to run their

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 2>dishwasher down the strit This is socialism, Joe, This is

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<v Speaker 2>this is I'm sorry, this electrics, this electrification and these

0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>so called smart meters, they are redistribution. This is electrical socialism,

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 2>election power. Yeah, it's just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, I'm sure they've got the.

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 4>Short is that all this anti gas in your home? Yes,

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 4>don't have a gas hot water system? Or a gas

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 4>bar or a gas stove is because they can't steal

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 4>your electricity.

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<v Speaker 11>That is actually, that's right.

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 12>Part of the ideal of the Electrify Everything is that

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 12>you get the grain.

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 11>There's a book on it.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh really, I probably in the.

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 11>No, no's right there. It's like on the front there's.

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<v Speaker 1>A picture of the.

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<v Speaker 10>Remember the name of it.

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 11>It's called Electrify Everything here.

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<v Speaker 2>But Joe, what happens here? What happens here if we

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 2>suddenly like if this summer, you know, praise God, if

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 2>we do actually get a real summer in this city

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 2>and not this sort of you know, sort of cold, wet,

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 2>sort of bank thing and people are using their air

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 2>conditioners and then suddenly, you know, they start dialing down

0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>our air conditions, which it's cooking. It's gonna be horrendous

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>thanks to this electrics socialist.

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<v Speaker 10>This is the language they use.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a EMO consumer own devices that, as individual units,

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 4>can generate or store electricity or have the smarts to

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 4>actively manage energy demand. It then lists examples rooftop solar panels,

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 4>wind generating units, residential or commercial battery storage systems, pool pumps,

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 4>air conditions, smarter planters, and electric vehicles. There's nothing that

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 4>is yours that you can say, I've paid for this

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:35.719
<v Speaker 4>and you can't steal it.

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 12>But I'm pretty sure if they were taking your electricity,

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 12>electric already happens with solar panels when you're feeding.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, Joe, Joe, they take our taxes and they don't

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>compensate us for that socialism, and we don't need any

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 2>more of it. And you know what, I'll tell you

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 2>one other things. You can have my gas stove when

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 2>you're taking from my cold dead heads.

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<v Speaker 10>Now I'm keeping mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Bronwin, Bishop, Joe Hildebrand. By the way, stick

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 2>around because Joe is going to be on the Late

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Debate just after this program, So do not go anywhere.

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a short break after the break. Tons

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 2>more topic, tons more fun. James Brow here for Paul

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Murray Live. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to the program.

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>James Borrow filling in here for Paul on Paul Murray Live.

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>And how much fun was that with Bronwin Bishop and

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Joe Hildebrand. But now we've got much more fun to

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 2>have with the debate continuing. Joining me now is libertarian

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<v Speaker 2>commentator Christen Abraham and LLNP MP Phil Thompson, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>both of you guys. Thank you so much for joining

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 2>me here on the program. Want to ask about this topic.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, you know it seems like the Anzac

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<v Speaker 2>Day fights come earlier and earlier every year. Chris Min's,

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<v Speaker 2>the New South Wales Premier, has made I think a

0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 2>very sensible decision to say, you know what, we don't

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 2>need the supermarkets open on Anzac Day. We don't need

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the cafes, take away restaurants and things like that. They'll

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 2>still be able to treat, but big things like calls Willies,

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 2>they are not trading on Anzac Day. Phil Thompson, you're

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 2>a veteran. What do you make of this decision? Is

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.720
<v Speaker 2>this the way to keep this day sacred and preserve

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>the specialist of Anzact Day.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, the freedoms that we enjoy are on the back

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 14>of hardfore battles, wars and sacrifice our brave men and

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 14>women in uniform, our veterans and their families have made.

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 14>And if you cast your mind back only to Anzac Day,

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 14>there was a concert that was playing in New South

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 14>Wales in Sydney, right where the Antact Day March was

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 14>going to be going through and at the time I

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 14>spoke out against it, the government was caught off guard.

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>They didn't really know how to handle it.

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<v Speaker 14>So this is now progressed to where I think they've

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:00.359
<v Speaker 14>landed on a good position to go, well, we don't

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.280
<v Speaker 14>want that to happen again because it was very disrespectful

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 14>to veterans and their families, and I think, you know,

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:11.879
<v Speaker 14>we won't have certain things. Trading is a good thing

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 14>and I welcome it, and I think, you know, it

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:16.720
<v Speaker 14>should be spread across the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Kristin Abraham, what are your thoughts on this, because there's

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people out there who say, well, you know,

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 2>it's the supermarket's right to decide whether or not they're

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 2>open or not. I think it's kind of interesting because

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I've seen on social media an awful lot of people

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 2>who are on the far left defending the right of

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:38.240
<v Speaker 2>big business supermarkets to have their day to continue to trade.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's your take on this, Kristen.

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<v Speaker 15>For me, Anzac Day, we have a tradition. We go

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 15>to the dawn service, meet and my friends. We then

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 15>do breakfast together and then we sit around and watch

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 15>the foot and have a few beers afterwards.

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 3>So that's our tradition.

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<v Speaker 15>As a libertarian, I'm kind of in a catch twenty

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 15>two with this because I do believe we should have

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 15>that sense of community brought together.

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:09.719
<v Speaker 3>We should have a government that wants to ensure.

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 2>We are.

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<v Speaker 15>Remembering our ans acts and living on in their image

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 15>and appreciating the fact that we have our democracy and

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 15>the ability to criticize our politicians as well.

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 3>That's everything that they fought for as well.

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<v Speaker 15>But I don't think that the government should pick winners

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 15>and losers as do who can and cannot trade. So,

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 15>you know, on one hand, I think what they're trying

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 15>to do is beautiful and I respect it and I

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 15>love it because I pay my own tribute to our diggers.

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 15>But winners and losers the government shouldn't at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, I get that. But you know, just Phil,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go back to you just one more

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 2>time on this because it does seem to be like,

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, there is this constant attempt to make every

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 2>public holiday like every other day and take anything special

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 2>out of the calendar. But you know, we all know

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 2>every society, every nation, every faith, whatever, has a calendar.

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 2>There are special days where you do and don't do

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 2>certain things. I mean, Phil, do you think that this

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.280
<v Speaker 2>is one of those things where you know we really

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 2>need to do more to protect this day and possibly

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 2>other days that I don't want to say sacred because

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 2>it's not religious, but that are important for us and

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>bring us all together as our strets wherever in the

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 2>world we come from.

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<v Speaker 14>I do, I really do, because it is one of

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 14>our most important days in the national calendar, where we

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 14>reflect on those who pay the ultimate sacrifice in war,

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 14>those who succumb to their war within here back in

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 14>home soil, and to the families that have carried a

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 14>great burden. I reflect on my mates that were killed overseas,

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 14>and I spend a day with them and having a

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.839
<v Speaker 14>beer and remembering and laughing and crying and going through

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 14>a big ball of emotions. And I think where we

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 14>need to bring this nation back too closer together, teach

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 14>it in schools, why we respect it. We don't encourage

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 14>public servants to opt in and opt out of different

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 14>days what they can can and can't take off, because

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:16.279
<v Speaker 14>I think it waters down the significance of the of

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 14>Antack Day. I support the move and in the garrison

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 14>city of Townshill, our whole city stands still, it pauses,

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:27.279
<v Speaker 14>it reflects, and we all come together as one.

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, look, I think you're right and I think

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, we will get to the situation where as

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 2>the fight against Australia DY continues, they're going to start

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 2>moving to that next front, which is going to be

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 2>ANZAC day. But one to move on to another issue here,

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 2>which is shadow of Indigen's a ffairs, mister just in

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 2>the Price, and she has outlined bold plans for an

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 2>advancement movement in Indigen's affairs to take things beyond the

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 2>voice and she said that this movement is about a

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>second wave for real reconciliation and integration. Phil just to

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 2>see with you. Do you think that she is onto

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 2>something with this advancement movement.

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I do.

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 14>And I met with the Palm Island Council just recently

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 14>and we're talking about closing the gap. And I'm very

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 14>clear in my view around it, and I don't think

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 14>politicians close the gap. I think they create the framework

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:24.719
<v Speaker 14>and the communities do it. I don't want to see

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.399
<v Speaker 14>fly and fly out workers into remote communities. I want

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.960
<v Speaker 14>to see empowerment and growth and training and skills all

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 14>developed locally to empower and support their communities. I think

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 14>that Jacinna's plan is good. It will be teased out

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 14>and developed well. And I know that the communities around

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.480
<v Speaker 14>my patch and into the north, you know, they don't

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:47.359
<v Speaker 14>always like having people fly in and fly out.

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>They want to do the jobs too.

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 14>They want to work, they want to make money, they

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 14>want to spend it where they choose to.

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, look, Christy, that's just a really interesting point.

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 2>And I think, you know, as a libertarian, I'd love

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 2>to get your views on this because there's so much

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:01.759
<v Speaker 2>money thrown around a regulation by government and trying to

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 2>tell people what they can and can't do. Is there

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 2>a case to be made that the government is maybe

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>getting too much in the way of Indigenous advancement in some.

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 15>Cases, James, if you have to ask me if the

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 15>government's getting too much in the way.

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 3>My answer is always going to be yes.

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uha.

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 15>The government is the problem in nearly every situation that

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 15>we face. But it's amazing to have someone like just

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 15>Enterprise out there. She's incredibly phenomenal and looking at her

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 15>pathway forward after the Voice, not only did it make

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 15>a plan for the Aboriginal community and how to empower

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 15>them in their own communities to want to contribute. But

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 15>it also outlined how there would be unity with our

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 15>Indigenous Australians and.

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 3>Non Indigenous Australians.

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:56.320
<v Speaker 15>Which I think is beautiful.

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 3>That's leadership because.

0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 15>We're not seeing that from our politicians. We continue to

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 15>get is divisiveness. So yes, I think the government is

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 15>the problem. They should butt out. And if there's anyone

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:08.759
<v Speaker 15>that probably has the best way to look at it

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 15>or a different perspective that might work for ones, it

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:13.320
<v Speaker 15>is probably just enterprise.

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Look, I think you're right. She's an absolute legend

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>and absolute hero I think to so many people in

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 2>this country for the work she's done on this. But Christy,

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 2>let me stay with you. Will just shift gears, I mean,

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.399
<v Speaker 2>because this is a bit of a depressing story out

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>of Queensland, out of the Courier Mail, and I'm sure

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 2>this is being replicated in states and territories across this nation.

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Apparently twenty thousand people in Queensland are now being forced

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 2>to sell their properties, sell their homes because they cannot

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.960
<v Speaker 2>afford it with the interest rates the cost of living.

0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 2>What are your reactions to this number, and particularly as

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 2>you see the government doing so many things to drive

0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 2>up inflation with their being spending and to increase the

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 2>cost of living.

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.840
<v Speaker 15>I'm sure that Victoria will give Queensland a run for

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:03.719
<v Speaker 15>its money soon.

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm a Victorian and I can tell.

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 15>You that it's just as bad down here in terms

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:13.560
<v Speaker 15>of the situation that we find ourselves in with the

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 15>housing We have over regulation in the housing market. We

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 15>have permits on top of permits, taxes on top of materials,

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:27.400
<v Speaker 15>government intervention consistently. So there's another one, James, where the

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 15>government should get out of the way because they are

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.760
<v Speaker 15>the problem. But the thing that frustrates me the most

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 15>is the fact that it is the voting public's fault

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 15>that we're in this situation.

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:39.280
<v Speaker 3>To be completely honest.

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:40.839
<v Speaker 15>And at the risk of you never inviting me back

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:45.240
<v Speaker 15>onto the show, the problem is not a smashed avocado

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.879
<v Speaker 15>on toast, and it's not you know, coffee before work

0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 15>every morning that you purchase from the cafe. The problem

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 15>is that people stick their head in the sand and

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:54.880
<v Speaker 15>go Politics makes.

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 3>Me too mad. Politics gets me too.

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 15>Upset, So right, don't pay attention, and then they take

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 15>that apathy are the ballot box, and then we have

0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:05.880
<v Speaker 15>politicians that give us that apathy in our life and

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 15>now we are reaping what we.

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Saw well indeed, But Phil, I want to ask you

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.839
<v Speaker 2>to your Queen's lad, what is the situation? Is it

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 2>really as nigher as the Career mail is reporting? There

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:17.359
<v Speaker 2>are these numbers accurate? Are they?

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:17.799
<v Speaker 16>You know?

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Understanding the problem? Tell us about what you're hearing from

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:22.720
<v Speaker 2>your constituents.

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, so I think the Courier mail has hit the

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.799
<v Speaker 14>nail on the head here. They're probably been a bit

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 14>more cautious with the numbers than they could be in

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 14>towns or We have a very low rental market, impossible

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 14>to get into, hard.

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 1>To buy a house here.

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 14>And you know, if you look around the country, you've

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 14>got elbow and gym high five in each other going.

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 14>You know, the budgets you back in black and we're

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:56.240
<v Speaker 14>doing great well. The household budget's not and the household

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 14>budget's doing it tough.

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And you've got steven.

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 14>Miles the queens and PREMI spending money like a drunken sailor,

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 14>and it is compounding, is hurting people.

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 1>The housing market.

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.239
<v Speaker 14>Is nearly at market failure in the North, and I

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.440
<v Speaker 14>think that there needs to be a much bigger focus,

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 14>and I agree politicians absolutely are the problem and we

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 14>need to get governments out of your way, not in

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 14>your way.

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think you know it's not just spending like

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.320
<v Speaker 2>a drunken sailor. I'd uprated and say he's spending money

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 2>like a drunken yachtsman. Anyway, Phil Kristen, don't go anywhere

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 2>you don't go when we're either going to be back

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.640
<v Speaker 2>with a lot more talk, a lot more debate after

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the break. Welcome back to the program. James Borrow filling

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 2>in here for Paul on Paul Murray Live and how

0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.280
<v Speaker 2>much fun was that with Bronwin Bishop of Joe Hildebrand.

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 2>But now we've got much more fun to have with

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the debate continuing. Joining me now is libertarian commentator Christin

0:44:55.080 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Abraham and llenp MP Phil Thompson. Welcome to both both

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 2>of you, guys. Thank you so much for joining me

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 2>here on the program. I want to ask about this topic.

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 2>First of all, you know, it seems like the Anzac

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Day fights come earlier and earlier every year. Chris Min's,

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:15.279
<v Speaker 2>the new South Wales Premier, has made I think a

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:20.319
<v Speaker 2>very sensible decision to say, you know what, we don't

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 2>need the supermarkets open on Anzact Day. We don't need

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:26.560
<v Speaker 2>the cafes, take away restaurants and things like that. They'll

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 2>aso be able to trade, but big things like Coles Willies,

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 2>they are not trading on Anzac Day. Phil Thompson, you're

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 2>a veteran. What do you make of this decision? Is

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:39.840
<v Speaker 2>this the way to keep this day sacred and preserve

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:41.839
<v Speaker 2>the specialists of Anzact Day?

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 14>Well, the freedoms that we enjoy are on the back

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.839
<v Speaker 14>of hard fought battles, wars and sacrifice our brave men

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.440
<v Speaker 14>and women in uniform, our veterans and their families have made.

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>And if you cast your mind back only to.

0:45:56.760 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 14>Anzac Day, there was a concert that was plying in

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 14>New South Wales in Sydney, right where the Antac Day

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:07.840
<v Speaker 14>march was going to be going through, and at the

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:10.800
<v Speaker 14>time I spoke out against it, the government was caught

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 14>off guard. They didn't really know how to handle it.

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 14>So this is now progressed to where I think they've

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 14>landed on a good position to go, Well, we don't

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.440
<v Speaker 14>want that to happen again because it was very disrespectful

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.960
<v Speaker 14>to veterans and their families, and I think, you know,

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 14>we won't have certain things. Trading is a good thing

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 14>and I welcome it, and I think, you know, it

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:35.840
<v Speaker 14>should be spread across the country.

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Christin Abraham, what are your thoughts on this, because there's

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people out there who say, well, you know,

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 2>it's the supermarket's right to decide whether or not they're

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.359
<v Speaker 2>open or not. I think it's kind of interesting because

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I've seen on social media an awful lot of people

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 2>who are on the far left defending the right of

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:57.400
<v Speaker 2>big business supermarkets to have their data continue to trade.

0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 2>But what's your take on this, Kristen.

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<v Speaker 15>For me, Anzac Day, we have a tradition we go

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.839
<v Speaker 15>to the dawn service meet and my friends. We then

0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 15>do breakfast together and then we sit around and watch

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 15>the footy and have a few beers afterwards.

0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:15.320
<v Speaker 3>So that's our tradition.

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 15>As a libertarian, I'm kind of in a catch twenty

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:22.239
<v Speaker 15>two with this because I do believe we should have

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 15>that sense of community brought together. We should have a

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 15>government that wants to ensure we are remembering our ans

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.880
<v Speaker 15>acts and living on in their image and appreciating the

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 15>fact that we have our democracy and the ability to

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:40.280
<v Speaker 15>criticize our politicians as well.

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:42.320
<v Speaker 3>That's everything that they fought for as well.

0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 15>But I don't think that the government should pick winners

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.919
<v Speaker 15>and losers as do who can and cannot trade. So,

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:51.839
<v Speaker 15>you know, on one hand, I think what they're trying

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 15>to do is beautiful and I respect it and I

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:59.760
<v Speaker 15>love it because I pay my own tribute to our diggers,

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 15>winners and losers.

0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 3>The government shouldn't at all.

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, I get that, but you know, just Phil,

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:08.239
<v Speaker 2>I want to go back to you just one more

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>time on this because it does seem to me, like

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:14.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, there is this constant attempt to make every

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 2>public holiday like every other day and take anything special

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 2>out of the calendar. But you know, we all know

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 2>every society, every nation, every faith, whatever, has a calendar.

0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:28.840
<v Speaker 2>There are special days where you do and don't do

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:30.880
<v Speaker 2>certain things. I mean, Phil, do you think that this

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 2>is one of those things where you know, we really

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 2>need to do more to protect this day and possibly

0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 2>other you know, days that I don't want to say

0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 2>sacred because it's not religious, but that are important for

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:45.040
<v Speaker 2>us and bring us all together as Austrains wherever in

0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:48.120
<v Speaker 2>the world we come from.

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 14>I do, I really do, because it is one of

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 14>our most important days in the national calendar, where we

0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:59.160
<v Speaker 14>reflect on those who pay the ultimate sacrifice in war,

0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 14>those to succumb to their war within here back in

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.400
<v Speaker 14>home so and to the families that have carried a

0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:06.000
<v Speaker 14>great burden.

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I reflect on my mates.

0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 14>That were killed overseas, and I spend a day with

0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:14.640
<v Speaker 14>them and having a beer and remembering and laughing and

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.600
<v Speaker 14>crying and going through a big ball of emotions. And

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 14>I think where we need to bring this nation back

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:24.880
<v Speaker 14>too closer together, teach it in schools, why we respect it.

0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 14>We don't encourage public servants to opt in and opt

0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:31.360
<v Speaker 14>out of different days what they can can and can't

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 14>take off, because I think it waters down the significance.

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:36.799
<v Speaker 1>The of ANTAC Day.

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<v Speaker 14>I support the move and in the garrison city of Townshill,

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:44.920
<v Speaker 14>our whole city stands still, It pauses, it reflects, and

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:46.439
<v Speaker 14>we all come together as one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, look, I think you're right, and I think

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:51.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, we will get to the situation where as

0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>the fight against Australia Day continues, they're going to struggle

0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:56.560
<v Speaker 2>into that next front, which is going to be ANZAC Day.

0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:59.000
<v Speaker 2>But want to move on to another issue here, which

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:03.279
<v Speaker 2>is shadow indigenus, mister sider Price, and she has outlined

0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 2>bold plans for an advancement movement in Indigenous affairs to

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 2>take things beyond the voice. And she's said that this

0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>movement is about a second wave for real reconciliation and integration.

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Phil just to stay with you, do you think that

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:22.800
<v Speaker 2>she is onto something with this advancement movement?

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I do.

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 14>And I met with the Palm Island Council just recently

0:50:30.440 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 14>and we're talking about closing the gap. And I'm very

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 14>clear in my view around it. And I don't think

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 14>politicians close the gap. I think they create the framework

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:43.879
<v Speaker 14>and the communities do it. I don't want to see

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 14>fly and fly out workers into remote communities. I want

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 14>to see empowerment and growth and training and skills all

0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:53.800
<v Speaker 14>developed locally to empower and support their communities.

0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that Jacinna's plan is good. It will be

0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:58.800
<v Speaker 1>teased out and developed well.

0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:02.520
<v Speaker 14>And I know that the communities around my patch and

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:05.359
<v Speaker 14>into the north, you know, they don't always like having

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:06.400
<v Speaker 14>people fly and fly it.

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 1>They want to do the jobs too.

0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:09.400
<v Speaker 14>They want to work, they want to make money, they

0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:10.759
<v Speaker 14>want to spend it where they choose to.

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean Look, Christy, that's just a really interesting point.

0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:15.040
<v Speaker 2>And I think, you know, as a libertarian, i'd love

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 2>to get your views on this because there's so much

0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 2>money thrown around and regulation by government and trying to

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:23.680
<v Speaker 2>tell people what they can and can't do. Is there

0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 2>a case to be made that the government is maybe

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 2>getting too much in the way of Indigenous advancement in

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 2>some cases?

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<v Speaker 15>James, if you have to ask me if the government's

0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:36.360
<v Speaker 15>getting too much in the way.

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 3>My answer is always going to be yes. Yeah, Aha.

0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:42.359
<v Speaker 15>The government is the problem in nearly every situation that

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:46.319
<v Speaker 15>we face. But it's amazing to have someone like just

0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:52.280
<v Speaker 15>Enterprise out there. She's incredibly phenomenal and looking at.

0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Her pathway forward after the voyee.

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:58.760
<v Speaker 15>Not only did it make a plan for the Aboriginal

0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:02.640
<v Speaker 15>community and how to empower them in their own communities

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 15>to want to contribute, but it also outlined how there

0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 15>would be unity with our Indigenous Australians and non Indigenous Australians,

0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:16.759
<v Speaker 15>which I think is beautiful. That's leadership because we're not

0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:20.799
<v Speaker 15>seeing that from our politicians. We continue to get this divisiveness.

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:23.120
<v Speaker 15>So yes, I think the government is the problem. They

0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.440
<v Speaker 15>should butt out and if there's anyone that probably has

0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:28.800
<v Speaker 15>the best way to look at it, or a different

0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:30.799
<v Speaker 15>perspective that might work for once.

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:32.480
<v Speaker 3>It is probably just enterprise.

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:34.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, I think you're right. She's an absolute legend

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and absolute hero, I think to so many people in

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:40.320
<v Speaker 2>this country for the works it's done on this But Christian,

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:42.200
<v Speaker 2>let me stay with you. Just shift gears. I mean,

0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 2>because this is a bit of a depressing story out

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 2>of Queensland, out of the Courier mail, and I'm sure

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 2>this is being replicated in states and territories across this nation.

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Apparently twenty thousand people in Queensland are now being forced

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:59.720
<v Speaker 2>to sell their properties, sell their homes because they cannot

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:04.120
<v Speaker 2>afford with the interest rates the cost of living. What

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 2>are your reactions to this number, and particularly as you

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 2>see the government doing so many things to drive up

0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:15.240
<v Speaker 2>inflation with the big spending and to increase the cost

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:15.680
<v Speaker 2>of living.

0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.919
<v Speaker 15>Well, I'm sure that Victoria will give Queensland a run

0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 15>for its money soon. I'm a Victorian and I can

0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 15>tell you that it's just as bad down here in

0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 15>terms of the situation that we find ourselves in with housing.

0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:37.400
<v Speaker 15>We have over regulation in the housing market, we have

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:41.719
<v Speaker 15>permits on top of permits, taxes on top of materials,

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 15>government intervention consistently. So there's another one, James, where the

0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 15>government should get out of the way because they are

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:51.920
<v Speaker 15>the problem. But the thing that frustrates me the most

0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 15>is the fact that it is the voting public's fault

0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 15>that we're in this situation.

0:53:57.320 --> 0:53:58.440
<v Speaker 3>To be completely honest.

0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:00.000
<v Speaker 15>And at the risk of you never inviting me back

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:04.400
<v Speaker 15>into this shuttle, the problem is not a smashed avocado

0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 15>on toast, and it's not you know, coffee before work

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.000
<v Speaker 15>every morning that you purchase from the cafe. The problem

0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:12.920
<v Speaker 15>is that people stick their head in the stand and

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:16.719
<v Speaker 15>go politics makes me too mad, Politics gets me too upset, Sorry,

0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.480
<v Speaker 15>don't pay attention. And then they take that apathy to

0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:22.719
<v Speaker 15>the ballot box. And then we have politicians that give

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:25.919
<v Speaker 15>us that apathy in our life, and now we are

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:26.879
<v Speaker 15>reaping what we.

0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Saw well indeed, But Phil, I want to ask you too,

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.279
<v Speaker 2>your Queen's lad, what is the situation? Is it really

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 2>as dire as the Caurier Avail is reporting. There are

0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:38.920
<v Speaker 2>these numbers accurate? Are they? You know? Understanding the problem?

0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Tell us about what you're hearing from your constituents.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, so I think the courier mail has hit the

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:49.960
<v Speaker 14>nail on the head here. They're probably been a bit

0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:53.440
<v Speaker 14>more cautious with the numbers than they could be in

0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 14>towns or. We have a very low rental market, impossible

0:54:57.680 --> 0:54:59.239
<v Speaker 14>to get into, hard.

0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:00.879
<v Speaker 1>To house here.

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:03.960
<v Speaker 14>And you know, if you look around the country, you've

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:09.280
<v Speaker 14>got elbow and gym high five in each other going.

0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:12.279
<v Speaker 14>You know, the budgets, you know back in black.

0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:13.359
<v Speaker 1>And we're doing great well.

0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:16.360
<v Speaker 14>The household budget's not and the household budget's doing it tough.

0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:21.440
<v Speaker 14>And you've got Steven Miles, the Queenslane Premier, spending money

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:25.760
<v Speaker 14>like a drunken sailor, and it is compounding, is hurting people.

0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:27.359
<v Speaker 1>The housing market.

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:30.400
<v Speaker 14>Is nearly at market failure in the North, and I

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 14>think that there needs to be a much bigger focus.

0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:37.640
<v Speaker 14>And I agree politicians absolutely are the problem, and we

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:39.480
<v Speaker 14>need to get governments out of your way, not in

0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:39.839
<v Speaker 14>your way.

0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:41.719
<v Speaker 2>And I think you know it's not just spending like

0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 2>a drunken sailor. I'd uprated and say he's spending money

0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:48.640
<v Speaker 2>like a drunken yachtsman. Anyway, Phil Kristen, don't go anywhere.

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:50.239
<v Speaker 2>You don't go. Why we're either going to be back

0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:52.799
<v Speaker 2>with a lot more talk, a lot more debate after

0:55:52.840 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 2>the break. Good evening. James here sitting in for Paul

0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Murray live here on the program. We've got Philip Thompson,

0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:09.000
<v Speaker 2>We've got kristin here talking all about all these different

0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:10.600
<v Speaker 2>isitions today, Phil, I want to start with you. We've

0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:13.840
<v Speaker 2>got a big issue here. We know that Australia's defense

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:18.520
<v Speaker 2>forces probably aren't getting quite as much equipment as they need.

0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:21.200
<v Speaker 2>The defense procurement has been a bit of shambles over

0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:23.799
<v Speaker 2>the past few years, but there has been an announcement

0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:27.200
<v Speaker 2>that troops will be equipped with a new lightweight drone

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.760
<v Speaker 2>called a Switchblade drone. We're going to get a small

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 2>number of these. I think dron warfare has been an

0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:37.000
<v Speaker 2>issue and something we've seen quite some time. Here are

0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:41.000
<v Speaker 2>our troops getting the equipment that they need to fight

0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:44.200
<v Speaker 2>the next generation of combat, which is going to involve,

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.680
<v Speaker 2>as we already see in places like Ukraine, an awful

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:48.120
<v Speaker 2>lot of this sort of kit.

0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:54.560
<v Speaker 1>No, simply neithery're not and not quick enough.

0:56:55.040 --> 0:57:00.200
<v Speaker 14>And I don't mind looking abroad for different equipment that

0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.239
<v Speaker 14>we don't have here. But we have the ability to

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:08.080
<v Speaker 14>manufacture drones in Australia and we need to be serious

0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:09.239
<v Speaker 14>about what these drones are.

0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:11.200
<v Speaker 1>They are lethal bits of kit.

0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:14.800
<v Speaker 14>They are there to create damage on the battlefield, protect

0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:20.080
<v Speaker 14>our people. Whether they're kamakazi or they're dropping any sort

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 14>of ordinance, they're there to kill the enemy. I'm not

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:26.960
<v Speaker 14>opposed to the switchblade and to looking abroad and doing

0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.360
<v Speaker 14>things like that, but I do think we need to

0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:33.120
<v Speaker 14>have our own defense industry and our own base here

0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:36.440
<v Speaker 14>growing and developing and working side by side and closely

0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:39.439
<v Speaker 14>with the soldiers because they're already in country, to see

0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:41.160
<v Speaker 14>what they want and how it will work for them,

0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:43.720
<v Speaker 14>so they can be the most lethal on the battlefield

0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:44.960
<v Speaker 14>if the time arises.

0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:47.040
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think we often miss and it

0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:50.200
<v Speaker 2>feels like sometimes a defense bureaucracy seems to miss the

0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 2>point here that the point of the defense forces is

0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:56.000
<v Speaker 2>to kill the enemy, take the battle to them and

0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:59.400
<v Speaker 2>protect Australia and our interests. And I think sometimes it

0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 2>just feels like speak social work bureaucracy and they don't

0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:04.960
<v Speaker 2>sometimes seem to get it. We don't have a lot

0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:07.040
<v Speaker 2>of time. Christ NASA will ask you about this report

0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:10.760
<v Speaker 2>of the Australian about the hospitality industry. Again, we have

0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:13.920
<v Speaker 2>this issue with the government money and the cost of living.

0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:17.919
<v Speaker 2>We've got a huge number of cafes and restaurants now

0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:20.800
<v Speaker 2>at the brink of collapse, with the number of companies

0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>going bus ninety percent higher than they were ten years

0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:28.240
<v Speaker 2>ago in twenty thirteen fourteen. What's the solution to this?

0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Quickly get rid of the government.

0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:34.800
<v Speaker 15>To be honest, Let's reduce the size of government. Let's

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:39.919
<v Speaker 15>reduce restrictions, cut taxes and let businesses thrive. Because right now,

0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:43.640
<v Speaker 15>the reason why hospitality is failing and every other industry

0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:47.120
<v Speaker 15>across Australia is finding it hard to survive is because

0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:50.440
<v Speaker 15>of government intervention, their taxes and their overregulation.

0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:52.880
<v Speaker 3>So slash it and we'll fix it.

0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 2>All right. Well, that's pretty much, very very fairly set here. Now,

0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk to you about finally getting opinion.

0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:02.800
<v Speaker 2>I want you both pick me a winner on this.

0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I know christ and you don't like to pick winners,

0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:07.320
<v Speaker 2>but we're gonna pick a winner here. Donald Trump has

0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:11.000
<v Speaker 2>challenged Joe Biden to a round of golf. How look

0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 2>at this then.

0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:16.680
<v Speaker 16>The debate, Sleepy Joe also declared that he wanted to

0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:21.280
<v Speaker 16>test his skills and stamina against mine on.

0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:21.920
<v Speaker 2>The golf course.

0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:22.760
<v Speaker 10>Can you believe this?

0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever see him swing?

0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:30.480
<v Speaker 16>I'm also officially challenging cricket Joe to an eighteen hole

0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:31.919
<v Speaker 16>golf match right here.

0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:34.760
<v Speaker 10>I will give him ten strokes aside, and if.

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:38.000
<v Speaker 16>He wins, I will give the charity of his choice,

0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:42.560
<v Speaker 16>any charity that he wants, one million dollars.

0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Phil, let's start with you million dollar golf challenge for charity.

0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Who do you rean is gonna win? In ten seconds?

0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Joe Bider, Donald Trump? Who wins that one?

0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:55.040
<v Speaker 9>Well?

0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I think Donald Trump wins.

0:59:56.640 --> 0:59:59.160
<v Speaker 14>Joy Barden can't walk on a stage without falling over

0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:01.280
<v Speaker 14>or up a fly of stairs, a ride a pushbike.

1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:05.720
<v Speaker 14>So my money would be behind Donald Trump to absolutely

1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:07.480
<v Speaker 14>walk the floor with him in their golf.

1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Match, even with ten strokes. Here, Christen, I know we're

1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:13.080
<v Speaker 2>off the libertarian topic here, but who wins the golf

1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:15.479
<v Speaker 2>match between sleepy Joe and Big Don?

1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:19.760
<v Speaker 15>Look, it's going to be Big Don for me, but

1:00:20.320 --> 1:00:22.840
<v Speaker 15>they're both subpart to me, James.

1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, fair enough, We're gonna have to leave it there.

1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys so much, Phil, Tims, Christiansten, so much

1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:30.320
<v Speaker 2>of your time. Thanks to Joe Hildebrand Brown Bishop and

1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:33.360
<v Speaker 2>thank you for watching tonight. Paul Real Live, Stay tuned

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