Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Well, good evening, Thank you Caleb. Great to be with you.
Speaker 2: James Borrow here sitting in for Paul Murray here on
Speaker 2: Paul Murray Live. And we have got yet another massive,
Speaker 2: all killer, no fillers show for you tonight, including the
Speaker 2: latest Yes, there's more weirdness from old Swampy Joe and
Speaker 2: what he said at the NATO summit this was pretty strange,
Speaker 2: as well as Oh, your favorite of mine, Malcolm Turnbull.
Speaker 2: Well he's tweeted himself into a bit of a quarter.
Speaker 2: And I know social media is a sewer, but when
Speaker 2: I tell you about this one, you're going to be
Speaker 2: toasting elon musk. Trust me on this one. And in
Speaker 2: just a few moments, Bronwin Bishop joins me here with
Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand and all your favorites. But before we get
Speaker 2: to all that, you know, I got to say we
Speaker 2: have spent so much time in recent months on this
Speaker 2: desk elsewhere talking about the helpless and hapless ministers of
Speaker 2: the Albanesi government. You know Chris Bowen, who I sometimes
Speaker 2: think is so against nuclear power because he can't pronounce
Speaker 2: the word right, you know, nuclear. He always says. And
Speaker 2: then there's Andrew Giles, the hapless Immigration minister who started
Speaker 2: out his career in politics as a lawyer for the
Speaker 2: Tampa refugees and wound up being tapped by Anthony Albanizi
Speaker 2: as the guy to be tough on borders as if.
Speaker 2: But look there's another minister who really needs to go
Speaker 2: and should have gone long ago. I'm talking about Indigenous
Speaker 2: Affairs Minister Linda Bernie. Now remember her from the voice.
Speaker 2: Well she's at it again, or rather not at it.
Speaker 2: All week we've been talking about the snap three day
Speaker 2: curfew and Alice Springs, something that you know would be
Speaker 2: the sort of thing you reckon the Indigenous Affairs Minister
Speaker 2: would consider important her portfolio. Yet it seems like Bernie
Speaker 2: has been again strangely m I A. Maybe she's been
Speaker 2: off counting the pages in the ULARU statement. Who knows,
Speaker 2: And despite repeated calls for comment, she has been pretty
Speaker 2: silent until yesterday when she popped up on the very
Speaker 2: friendly airwaves of the ABC and she told Aunty that well,
Speaker 2: you can't arrest your way out of this problem. The
Speaker 2: judicial system is not the answer, she said, but the
Speaker 2: community working with governments is the answer, well, okay, right,
Speaker 2: all very well, in good nice motherhood statement their minister,
Speaker 2: but what are you doing about this? What are you
Speaker 2: the Albanezi government doing about this? Well, it turns out
Speaker 2: it's about as much as she did to get the
Speaker 2: Voice over the line, which is to say, not much,
Speaker 2: which in that case I could live with. By the way,
Speaker 2: just on that subject, let's have a little refresher as
Speaker 2: to how effective she was back then.
Speaker 3: We just finished to racially how.
Speaker 4: Racist?
Speaker 2: You know why.
Speaker 5: It is importing Trump style politics to Australia. It is
Speaker 5: post truth and the same is to polarize.
Speaker 2: Well, when you can't win, just blame Trump and of
Speaker 2: course remember that. Finally, in the last disastrous weeks of
Speaker 2: the Voice campaign, she was shelved, effectively demoted from Alendari
Speaker 2: McCarthy the assistant junior Minister. And again I was happy
Speaker 2: to see the Voice go down. I suspect you might
Speaker 2: have been too. But the more incompetence that surrounded the
Speaker 2: s campaign the better. Fine, now though things are more serious.
Speaker 2: It's not just a bunch of ludicrous grievance industry city
Speaker 2: cures that are on the line as they were with
Speaker 2: the Voice. Instead, it's lives in a community. Bernie is
Speaker 2: now facing calls for her resignation, just as Giles and
Speaker 2: others before her. Warren Mundine told the Skuy News website
Speaker 2: today Unfortunately she's just not up for it. But will
Speaker 2: she go, of course not, because the entire Albanese government
Speaker 2: is like a much higher stakes version of the public service,
Speaker 2: where there is no consequence for bad behavior and it's
Speaker 2: all but impossible to get the sack for incompetence because
Speaker 2: remember Alba wants to go into this next election campaign
Speaker 2: is going to be later this year, if my mail
Speaker 2: is correct, without having lost a single minister. It's a
Speaker 2: weird point of pride for the prime minister. But it's
Speaker 2: also dumb management. I mean, think about this. How many
Speaker 2: ministers did John Howard have to shoot in the first
Speaker 2: year of his government? Seven and he went on to
Speaker 2: be one of our longest serving and most successful prime ministers.
Speaker 2: Much better to send the message that bad behavior and
Speaker 2: incompetence won't be tolerated than to let duds hang around
Speaker 2: as a point of pride. Linda Burney, you're a dud. Now,
Speaker 2: speaking of duds, what about old swampy Joe. Yet there
Speaker 2: he is the weekend at Biden's tour continues with the
Speaker 2: NATO summit helpfully coming to Washington, d C. This year.
Speaker 2: Thank god for that, because that means there's none of
Speaker 2: those long plane flights for Joe that it takes twelve
Speaker 2: days to recover from Lucky him. Anyway, Let's have a
Speaker 2: little listen to what the President had to say in
Speaker 2: regard to NATO's Secretary Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg earlier. Listen carefully,
Speaker 2: maybe watch the lady doing the sign language to see
Speaker 2: if she has any clues about what he's saying.
Speaker 6: Spectorating, guys was alliance to one of the most consequential
Speaker 6: periods in I realize i've your wife. I personally asked
Speaker 6: you to extend your service forgive me.
Speaker 2: Well sorry what Yeah, Look, apparently he said that he
Speaker 2: was talking to his wife, but it sounded a little
Speaker 2: well different. And one of the big questions on everyone's
Speaker 2: mind is now, now that we know that the president
Speaker 2: has eight o'clock bedtime, what happens if something goes down
Speaker 2: after hours? Fox News White House correspondent Peter Doocey asked
Speaker 2: this very simple question of White House Presbytery Secretary Karine
Speaker 2: Jean Pierre, and let's just say it did go over
Speaker 2: very well.
Speaker 7: We know the President says that his health is fine,
Speaker 7: but it's just his brain, and that he's sharpest before.
Speaker 8: He's joking, by the way, I just want to make
Speaker 8: sure that that's out there. And he was making a
Speaker 8: light hearted joke as he was speaking off He's speaking
Speaker 8: off the cuff and was making a joke.
Speaker 3: You know, the President, he likes to joke a lot.
Speaker 8: He's the same guy who says, I know I look
Speaker 8: forty right, So he likes to make jokes.
Speaker 3: It is a joke here. I think people laugh when
Speaker 3: he says it.
Speaker 7: Well, he also said he's sharpest before eight pm. So
Speaker 7: say that the Pentagon at some point picks up incoming nuke,
Speaker 7: it's eleven pm.
Speaker 1: Who do you call the first lady?
Speaker 8: He has a team that lets him know of any
Speaker 8: of any news.
Speaker 3: That is pertinent and important to the American people.
Speaker 8: He has someone or that is decided obviously with his
Speaker 8: National Security Council, and who gets to tell him that news?
Speaker 2: Boom, Well we got a little more out of Junior
Speaker 2: White House flat John Kirby.
Speaker 9: He gets calls in the middle of the night all
Speaker 9: the time, and you know a couple of G sevens
Speaker 9: Ago Brett. You might remember there was a missile that
Speaker 9: fell in Poland. There was a concern that it could
Speaker 9: have been a Russian missile. That call came in to
Speaker 9: him in the middle of the night. He called together
Speaker 9: the G seven at a snap meeting by eight o'clock
Speaker 9: that morning.
Speaker 2: Oh well that's great, that's okay. He returns the call
Speaker 2: in the morning. What could go wrong anyway? And sorry,
Speaker 2: by the way, I gotta sneak this one in before
Speaker 2: we get to the panel. And gosh, I love this.
Speaker 2: And I gotta say thank god for Elon Musk, who
Speaker 2: on his Twitter now x platform has introduced a little
Speaker 2: feature called community notes. Basically, what happens there is if
Speaker 2: you say something, if you tweet something ridiculous and stupid
Speaker 2: and wrong, other people get to call you on it
Speaker 2: and it gets stucking right there on whatever tweet you
Speaker 2: made the error on. It's pretty funny and embarrassing when
Speaker 2: it happens, particularly what happens to Malcolm Turnbull. And today
Speaker 2: he got pinged. Yes that's right. Malcolm Turnbull, who, let's
Speaker 2: not forget, has his very own renewables company quote specializing
Speaker 2: in the development of wind, solar and energy storage projects unquote.
Speaker 2: Was out there on x or Twitter, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it, talking down nuclear and you know where
Speaker 2: this is heading. In a long thread of tweets, nuclear
Speaker 2: power turbul wrote that nuclear plants quote run continuously, cannot
Speaker 2: be turned on and off the flick of the switch. Thus,
Speaker 2: even if they weren't hugely expensive and take decades to build,
Speaker 2: they are not the right fit for Australian's energy mix unquote. Well,
Speaker 2: helpful Twitter users managed to get this appended to Malcolm
Speaker 2: Turnboll's claims, noting that in France, quote the demonstrated flexibility
Speaker 2: of French nuclear power plants, which today account for about
Speaker 2: three quarters of the zero carbon production, clearly shows the
Speaker 2: way for the complementarity of variable renewables and nuclear in
Speaker 2: a decarbonized economy. Well, there you have it, Malcolm. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let's get into this now. I got a great panel
Speaker 2: here tonight. It is a crowded night here in the
Speaker 2: man Cave. Broadwin, Bishop Joe Hildebrand, so wonderful to see
Speaker 2: you again. Now let's get on to the first topic here.
Speaker 2: Linda Bernie, what do you reckon? Brown? Bishop? It's surely
Speaker 2: time for her to be one of the many ministers
Speaker 2: that needs to go with this government.
Speaker 4: Well, I actually feel rather sorry for her because I
Speaker 4: don't think she's well, and I've thought that since the
Speaker 4: debate on the voice. But you know, in a democracy,
Speaker 4: when you are elected to a position and then you
Speaker 4: are appointed to a specific job, if you fail and
Speaker 4: are unable to carry it out, whether you're Joe Biden
Speaker 4: or Linda Bernie, that is the failure of democracy because
Speaker 4: the people's wish is not being answered, so clearly it
Speaker 4: needs there is seriously, I need to have a new
Speaker 4: minister in the Aboriginal Affairs portfolio. And secondly, when we've
Speaker 4: seen these riots again in the springs, I've asked this
Speaker 4: question before, where are the elders. The elders obviously have
Speaker 4: a very large role to play in all of this
Speaker 4: in bringing youth together to try and bring about some
Speaker 4: some of the answers to the homes that are too
Speaker 4: traumatic for kids to want to go home do or
Speaker 4: the kids that just want to be in the street
Speaker 4: selling a brawl. Anyway, So if we listen to Jacenter Price,
Speaker 4: who says, well, let's give them jobs in the remote communities,
Speaker 4: don't send in the FIFO people to come and do
Speaker 4: the jobs.
Speaker 10: Train the kids themselves to.
Speaker 4: Do it, and give them the jobs, and allow them
Speaker 4: to have a skill and invested interest in their own communities.
Speaker 4: And the elders can play a very big job in
Speaker 4: all of that.
Speaker 2: Well, Brobert, I've been hearing this for decades, and I've
Speaker 2: heard this on both sides of government. Here, this sort
Speaker 2: of very common sense solution here. But Joe Prime Minister
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi, he comes into office. The thing he says
Speaker 2: down at the at the league club wherever it.
Speaker 11: Was, every Helston Park, Iris.
Speaker 2: Cadbury, Helston Park RSL club. He goes, he We're gonna
Speaker 2: have a voice, and I'm going to be an Indigenous
Speaker 2: prime minister, and I'm gonna be you know, all about
Speaker 2: this reconciliation stuff. The voice goes down.
Speaker 12: I still remember the place where my Joe landed. Like
Speaker 12: many fever was a surprise of it.
Speaker 2: But yes, yes, but it seems like ever since the
Speaker 2: voice fell over, and we had a lot of discussions
Speaker 2: about that, we haven't seen this government, and certainly not
Speaker 2: this Prime Minister, talking much about these issues at all.
Speaker 12: Look, he has he went to the Northern Territory and
Speaker 12: dropped I think from memory a billion dollars on Aboriginal
Speaker 12: housing and another billion on Aboriginal education in the territory.
Speaker 11: So that's fantastic.
Speaker 12: But again I think the problem, I think the problem
Speaker 12: had had been and I think this happens when you
Speaker 12: get someone coming a from the left and be from opposition.
Speaker 12: They sort of just thought the Voice was happening. Of course,
Speaker 12: everyone would vote for the voice. Why wouldn't you vote
Speaker 12: for the voice. The campaign wasn't take and frankly as
Speaker 12: seriously as it should have been. It was a vibe
Speaker 12: was there was no discipline.
Speaker 11: It was appalling.
Speaker 12: The whole thing was appalling, and I think that was
Speaker 12: a real I think for Linda, who was a very
Speaker 12: very lovely person. But I think for Linda that was
Speaker 12: a bit of a body blow and a shock. It
Speaker 12: was in many ways, I think it was expected to
Speaker 12: be her sort of legacy and Albanese is very close
Speaker 12: to Linda Bernie, and it was going to be a legacy,
Speaker 12: and then she would arguably not contest the next election
Speaker 12: and missing the book.
Speaker 10: That's all history.
Speaker 4: The fact of the matter is there's a great crisis
Speaker 4: in the territory and it needs attention and it needs
Speaker 4: it now.
Speaker 10: And you said, or he gave a billion.
Speaker 4: Dollars for this and two hundred and fifty million dollars
Speaker 4: for that, where does it go?
Speaker 12: I like, I liked what just Enter Price has said.
Speaker 12: I've always been a big supportive of dis and that's.
Speaker 10: Why we need that role committit.
Speaker 11: We've been talking about this.
Speaker 12: A lot, and a lot of other people have been
Speaker 12: talking about it as well. I can say, but yes,
Speaker 12: there needs to be a change in There needs to
Speaker 12: be a change in culture. There needs to be an
Speaker 12: acknowledgment of the dysfunction, acknowledgment of the failure or rather
Speaker 12: the perpetrators of the violence.
Speaker 2: Well, I reckon, Sorry, I'm just thinking about this. So
Speaker 2: I remember Tony Abbot would bring his cabinet out to
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory and and you know, it just does
Speaker 2: seem to me like this government have to talk in
Speaker 2: a very big game on it. And it's an important issue.
Speaker 2: You know, has been science from mating some checks. And
Speaker 2: last night we had Matthew Patterson, the mayor of Alice Springs,
Speaker 2: on this program and he said, well, it's great that
Speaker 2: they've written the checks some money hasn't done flow, and
Speaker 2: we don't know where it's going.
Speaker 4: To wind up going until we know billions and billions
Speaker 4: and billions of money is being spent, Where has who's
Speaker 4: got the money, what's.
Speaker 11: Been You have to you have to you have to
Speaker 11: change the culture. You have to have accountability.
Speaker 12: You have to make sure that they have private, private
Speaker 12: housing that people feel proud of, so it's not just
Speaker 12: left to rack and run. That's been a problem. You've
Speaker 12: got to make sure you get rid of the humbugging.
Speaker 12: You've got to make sure that fed when they get
Speaker 12: to school so they're not learning his stomach, and make
Speaker 12: sure they're being taught in Well, you.
Speaker 4: Guys, until we know where that money is gone, and
Speaker 4: there's no point in spending anymore because it is clearly
Speaker 4: not solving anything. So that's why there used the need
Speaker 4: for that Royal Commission talking.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, I'm going to say you both
Speaker 2: right here. Joe's right, we need private enterprise more than that,
Speaker 2: You're right, we need the Royal Commission. And I think
Speaker 2: also we've got another big story today, which is the
Speaker 2: second boat of illegal immigrants in a week has been
Speaker 2: intercepted by border Force. This one had forty four guys
Speaker 2: on it. They were intercepted by Border Force. They were
Speaker 2: from I think there were Royal Hingers and I think
Speaker 2: they were from Banglin Jesh. I think anyway, they learned
Speaker 2: about the possibility of going to Australia through that great
Speaker 2: app TikTok and then they were intercepted sitting on their
Speaker 2: way Bronwin. Do we have a restarting of the boats?
Speaker 2: Have the people smugglers said? I reckon this government might
Speaker 2: be a bit of a light touch.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, It's always the problem with labor.
Speaker 10: They don't believe in secure borders.
Speaker 4: And it's been proven whether it was Rud, whether it
Speaker 4: was Gillard, whether it was Rud again, it.
Speaker 10: Always ends up the same. So until we have.
Speaker 4: A change of government and they know that the coalition
Speaker 4: government means what it says and it will stop the
Speaker 4: boats and it doesn't matter on whatever issue pertains to
Speaker 4: the immigration issues, to people who come with visas and
Speaker 4: then overstay and try and seek the stylum on every
Speaker 4: issue the government looks weak and the Minister Giles is
Speaker 4: so weak that people can see a mile offt that
Speaker 4: there's it's worth having to go.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing job. I mean, it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: the appointment of Andrew Giles I've mentioned in my editorial.
Speaker 2: I thought from the start that that was a strange
Speaker 2: appointment for this government because remember Andrew Giles. He has
Speaker 2: said many times he got into politics because he was
Speaker 2: a lawyer representing Tampa refugees. And I sort of thought
Speaker 2: to myself, this guy does not seem like the sort
Speaker 2: of it's could be the sort of hard nut to say.
Speaker 2: You know, you're in attention, you're going home. You know.
Speaker 11: Well, when he first got the job, I just assumed
Speaker 11: it was punishment for him.
Speaker 12: This is actually what happens in the time when when
Speaker 12: Julia Gillard took over from Kevin Rudd, she made Chris
Speaker 12: Bowen Immigration Minister, and considered to be punishment for Chris
Speaker 12: Bowen supporting Kevin Rudd.
Speaker 10: So I just try to punish that.
Speaker 11: That was the word. Chris Bowen is a wonderful man.
Speaker 12: He's a fine, upstanding human being, doing a great job
Speaker 12: on yeah, transition, But but no, clearly Andrew Giles is
Speaker 12: not up to the job. Obviously, people smugglers will test
Speaker 12: the resolve of any new government, particularly a labor government,
Speaker 12: fair enough, but the Operation Borders is still ongoing. It's
Speaker 12: still the protocols are still the same, the operations are
Speaker 12: still the same.
Speaker 11: The difference is but different.
Speaker 2: Sorry, but now you've had the ends and y Q decision.
Speaker 2: Know that you've had this decision, You now suddenly have
Speaker 2: the regime of detention right very much under threat.
Speaker 11: Exactly which is exactly what I was about to say.
Speaker 12: And that is the that is the fatal floor of
Speaker 12: the Achilles heel and the system, if you like. And
Speaker 12: again the idea that you could have an immigration minister
Speaker 12: to whom it was flagged that this was the decision
Speaker 12: that was about to be handed down, and still not
Speaker 12: have a plan B in case of emergency break glass
Speaker 12: ready to the fact that it didn't even turn up
Speaker 12: to the breath, the fact that he and then the
Speaker 12: fact that you know, even six months later after it happened,
Speaker 12: or however many months later after it happened, there was
Speaker 12: still no he still hadn't actually advanced this issuere prepared
Speaker 12: these safeguards. The fact that the monetary sal is that
Speaker 12: he will be gone in the next three shuffle, I
Speaker 12: can guarantee you.
Speaker 10: With that, But have you got the information when it's
Speaker 10: going I can.
Speaker 11: Just promise you.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was what do you know? Do
Speaker 2: you know something? There on the phone.
Speaker 12: You told me that the election was going to be
Speaker 12: before the end of the year. So I imagine there
Speaker 12: will be a reshuffle before then. It's still my life
Speaker 12: and I imagine, yeah, I still think it would be
Speaker 12: more wise to give Queensland voters afore time.
Speaker 2: Well this is what this is why I say later
Speaker 2: in the year. But but now, listen, let's stay, let's stay,
Speaker 2: let's stay out.
Speaker 4: If they go on the thirty first of Augers, I
Speaker 4: don't go on the old borders, on the old borders.
Speaker 12: But we've already got you've already got the coalition up
Speaker 12: fifty four to forty six in Queensland based on the
Speaker 12: latest News poll. Imagine the slaughter that they are going
Speaker 12: to get in Queensland if they go to the polls before.
Speaker 2: But this is it, This is it? This extraordinary? Is it?
Speaker 2: This extraordinary? Though? When you look at some of the polls,
Speaker 2: including the latest Roy Morgan and some of these other numbers,
Speaker 2: that the coalition is now quite competitive two years in
Speaker 2: to a first term government, I think that's I think
Speaker 2: that that, yes, this is true.
Speaker 10: When I was in that campaign.
Speaker 11: Roy Morgan is notoriously unreliable.
Speaker 2: Though sure we do that again. We do know that
Speaker 2: news pool is the pool to go with.
Speaker 11: But I want to stay.
Speaker 2: I do want to stay though. With this migration issue
Speaker 2: here for a minute, because we've had yet another huge
Speaker 2: number of people. And these are people who land here
Speaker 2: on a visa. They're students, they're here to work whatever,
Speaker 2: and then maybe they're visa's coming to an end, they
Speaker 2: want to stay, and they put their hand on and
Speaker 2: they say, oh, I'm a refugee. Suddenly they get to stay.
Speaker 2: And we've got I think one hundred and two hundred
Speaker 2: thousand of these people now who work the system. They're
Speaker 2: allowed to study, they're allowed to work, they're basically allowed
Speaker 2: to stay, and they're impossible to kick out because they're
Speaker 2: declared refugees, even if they're from countries where there's basically
Speaker 2: no oppression. I want to bring up a controversial idea,
Speaker 2: is it time? Because all of this goes back to
Speaker 2: the old refugee conventions from practically a century ago, before
Speaker 2: a lot of things have happened, including jet planes and
Speaker 2: all of that sort of travel. Is it time for
Speaker 2: nations like Australia, Joe, to start looking at the way
Speaker 2: that we look at this sort of giving people automatic
Speaker 2: refugee status if they put their hand up.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's an interesting way.
Speaker 12: I mean, obviously someone who comes by plying and then
Speaker 12: claims refugee status is a safer bet than someone who
Speaker 12: comes from both with no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they've they've covered it from someplace, you know.
Speaker 12: I granted that, But I suppose it's a matter of firstly,
Speaker 12: it's a matter of their worthiness of being a refugee
Speaker 12: against the kind of hierarchy of need if you like.
Speaker 4: Well, except when we look at the Palestinian refugee circle,
Speaker 4: refugees we're dating in with no scrutiny at all.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, Well again, like I said, someone who actually
Speaker 12: comes here with a passport with identification, at least you
Speaker 12: can know that. You know they're not going to be secure.
Speaker 12: You know who they are, how old they are even.
Speaker 2: Well, but Joe, but Joe, but Joe. They're coming from
Speaker 2: you know, countries where if you look at the numbers
Speaker 2: that come out every month, a lot of these people
Speaker 2: come from countries where maybe one two three percent of
Speaker 2: people are actually judged be refugees and brown would they
Speaker 2: clog up the system, they clog up the the Administrative
Speaker 2: Appeals Tribunal, which labor is trying to blow up, you know,
Speaker 2: so they could replace it with their own body, with
Speaker 2: their own people, and you know, be presumably even softer
Speaker 2: on actually refugee refugee claim. But this just seems like
Speaker 2: a you know, a complete disaster that you know, they
Speaker 2: can blame Peter doun't all they want. But if you've
Speaker 2: got a system where people come in and put their
Speaker 2: hand up, you know, what do you do to stop that?
Speaker 4: Well, you can have a better scrutiny, and we have
Speaker 4: tighter rules about whether or not you get a visa.
Speaker 10: From certain country and go.
Speaker 4: But four hundred and sixteen from Palestine, no scrutiny, here's
Speaker 4: a visa, off you go. You look at where where
Speaker 4: people are coming from, and that that's where the Titan
Speaker 4: up has to occur. Yeah, eighty one thousand at the
Speaker 4: moment are waiting to be deported and eleven of left.
Speaker 10: Yes, So where's the will, where's the will to actually
Speaker 10: do it?
Speaker 4: And I've got to say, it does happen, and sometimes
Speaker 4: your heart really feels for the people concerned.
Speaker 10: I remember in my electorate.
Speaker 4: I had an Indonesian couple with two kids, and the
Speaker 4: kids were in a selective high school within the electorate.
Speaker 4: They were doing really, really well. They would have made
Speaker 4: damn good citizens. But they were illegal. They came on
Speaker 4: their visus, they overstayed and they had to leave. So
Speaker 4: when it's done to people like that, how come it's
Speaker 4: not being done to the others?
Speaker 12: Well, that's right, everyone would that be the exact same
Speaker 12: argument that other people are making.
Speaker 4: There are other people who've come in and said we
Speaker 4: want to we want to stay, and you know that.
Speaker 12: The other people are saying, we're here where good citizens,
Speaker 12: We've got jobs.
Speaker 11: No, no, no, the community are more like the buildings.
Speaker 4: There are many many more who come in and they
Speaker 4: just want to really get on the welfare system.
Speaker 2: But if you if you overstayed, if you overstay visa,
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be here. I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: you know the rules. It's it's not you know, opaque.
Speaker 2: And your point about these Palestinian refugees so called who
Speaker 2: come in, and I'm sure that they weren't any of
Speaker 2: the ones who were out chanting in the streets of
Speaker 2: Gaza and celebrating and beating the bodies when they were
Speaker 2: dragged in on October seventh. I'm sure these role the
Speaker 2: good ones who don't support Hamas. But anyway, let's move
Speaker 2: on here because there's another story here which I think
Speaker 2: is just outrageous. I think it's ridiculous thing. It just
Speaker 2: shows how silly things have gotten. Captain Cook his river
Speaker 2: in Sydney is going to be might possibly be renamed
Speaker 2: the Cooks River in Sydney, maybe renamed Gulayari. Don't write
Speaker 2: it if I've got that wrong, as part of a
Speaker 2: proposal from something called the Cook's River Alliance, so it
Speaker 2: actually sounds more like the Anti Cook River Alliance. Here's
Speaker 2: Gregory Andrews from Liarbird Dreaming, who is very in went
Speaker 2: in this group. How have a look at this?
Speaker 13: Maybe people could think about it similarly to Laroo, But
Speaker 13: most people think of Aolaroo now as a Laroo, not
Speaker 13: Airs Rock, because it was always called Laroo, and then
Speaker 13: some white fellas came along, you know, a few hundred
Speaker 13: years ago or even a bit less than that, and
Speaker 13: started calling it after a bloke called Airs who was
Speaker 13: probably the explorer at the time, just like the Cooks
Speaker 13: River was James Cook so it's not really renaming, it's
Speaker 13: getting it back the name that it's always had.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Joe, I come from New York, which
Speaker 2: used to be New Amsterdare I believe that you might
Speaker 2: live kind of in the proximity of the Cook River?
Speaker 2: Do you? Does it? Does it? You know? As a
Speaker 2: good lefty to saying the Cook River just speaking of
Speaker 2: every time with colonialist colonial tread, Yeah, I.
Speaker 12: Immediately, I immediately reflect on all the terrible things were done.
Speaker 12: But I think the best part of renaming the Cooks
Speaker 12: River would be that it would instantly solve all these
Speaker 12: problems in our springs. Yes, thank you, just like everything
Speaker 12: else that has been done in this space has instantly
Speaker 12: solved all those problems. I would much rather see young
Speaker 12: indigenous leaders, the leaders of tomorrow, on the ground, stepping up,
Speaker 12: taking responsibility for what's happening in remote communities and being
Speaker 12: the first there to fix it, rather than people saying, oh,
Speaker 12: let's just look at a map and see what we
Speaker 12: can do.
Speaker 4: You and I are totally agree that they're the points
Speaker 4: that I made earlier.
Speaker 11: It's good to see you agreeing with me, always agreeing
Speaker 11: with you.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yes, look at the nonsense of this name changing. Yes,
Speaker 4: seventy was cal Richards. Who've got these figures. Seventy five
Speaker 4: percent of names across Australia are indigenous names, correct, But
Speaker 4: the gift that came with colonialism was being able to
Speaker 4: write them down, because writing.
Speaker 10: Is part of that dreadful colonial process.
Speaker 4: Horrible there was written language.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Now I grew up in I grew up in
Speaker 11: danning On, which was a native. But the point is,
Speaker 11: the point is the high unemployment.
Speaker 4: The point is that people try and use Captain Cook,
Speaker 4: who is actually a remarkable figure by.
Speaker 2: Any absolutely absolutely what.
Speaker 4: He achieved in scientific terms and everything else. So I'm
Speaker 4: very proud that he came here.
Speaker 2: He was a great He was a great scientist, a
Speaker 2: great humanity had scientist.
Speaker 12: Actually wasn't it wasn't actually and he was.
Speaker 2: He wasn't from he was from the aristocracy. He is
Speaker 2: a great story. And I think, you know, this whole
Speaker 2: thing about people talking down James Cook, I think it's
Speaker 2: terrible and worth these idiots though, and you know, get
Speaker 2: their angle grinders out.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 4: The matter is we've built a fantastic country here and
Speaker 4: we want those people in.
Speaker 10: The remote communities to get a share of it.
Speaker 2: But let's let's also talk about keeping the keeping the
Speaker 2: lights on in this fantastic country of ours, because there
Speaker 2: was a fascinating little story here out of Canberra, and
Speaker 2: it seems, Bronwin that they have worked out a way too.
Speaker 2: When you've got your new evy in your garage, you've
Speaker 2: got it plugged in, and then the sun's not shining
Speaker 2: for this night and the wind's not blowing because there's
Speaker 2: nothing going on and there's no electricity. They're going to
Speaker 2: suck all the power out of your car to keep
Speaker 2: the grid going. There's a wonderful acronym for this program,
Speaker 2: Bronwhen can you enlighten us about it?
Speaker 10: You financi would all come out now.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: Fourth and March twenty twenty three my article was published
Speaker 4: in the Spectator and it was about now Elbow wants
Speaker 4: your electricity two. A new government program plans to rob
Speaker 4: consumers of their own energy supplies.
Speaker 10: It's called.
Speaker 4: That stands for Distributed Energy Resources program.
Speaker 2: Who comes up with these names?
Speaker 10: It's part of EMO. He's part of their plan.
Speaker 4: They are planning not only to take it out of
Speaker 4: your car, but sold pedals out of your batteries whenever
Speaker 4: they feel as a shortage of power. You're all be
Speaker 4: forced to have smart meters and I will suck it
Speaker 4: out and.
Speaker 10: You pay for it.
Speaker 12: A second, it's not a sacred conspiracy, though. This is
Speaker 12: part of there's a there's a program called nothing. A
Speaker 12: book was written called called Electrify Everything. And the idea
Speaker 12: is and the idea is that you make and the
Speaker 12: idea is that you use your car as a giant battery.
Speaker 2: Hang on, hang on, Sorry, how do I know what, Joe? Like,
Speaker 2: you know, I work all these crazy hours at the
Speaker 2: paper here on sky, and you know I need my car.
Speaker 2: And how do I know that they haven't needed to
Speaker 2: stabilize the grid? Like and I go and turn on
Speaker 2: a car and it's like, oh, there's nothing in there,
Speaker 2: because you know, they needed somebody needed to run their
Speaker 2: dishwasher down the strit This is socialism, Joe, This is
Speaker 2: this is I'm sorry, this electrics, this electrification and these
Speaker 2: so called smart meters, they are redistribution. This is electrical socialism,
Speaker 2: election power. Yeah, it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 11: Yes, I'm sure they've got the.
Speaker 4: Short is that all this anti gas in your home? Yes,
Speaker 4: don't have a gas hot water system? Or a gas
Speaker 4: bar or a gas stove is because they can't steal
Speaker 4: your electricity.
Speaker 11: That is actually, that's right.
Speaker 12: Part of the ideal of the Electrify Everything is that
Speaker 12: you get the grain.
Speaker 11: There's a book on it.
Speaker 10: Oh really, I probably in the.
Speaker 11: No, no's right there. It's like on the front there's.
Speaker 1: A picture of the.
Speaker 10: Remember the name of it.
Speaker 11: It's called Electrify Everything here.
Speaker 2: But Joe, what happens here? What happens here if we
Speaker 2: suddenly like if this summer, you know, praise God, if
Speaker 2: we do actually get a real summer in this city
Speaker 2: and not this sort of you know, sort of cold, wet,
Speaker 2: sort of bank thing and people are using their air
Speaker 2: conditioners and then suddenly, you know, they start dialing down
Speaker 2: our air conditions, which it's cooking. It's gonna be horrendous
Speaker 2: thanks to this electrics socialist.
Speaker 10: This is the language they use.
Speaker 4: This is a EMO consumer own devices that, as individual units,
Speaker 4: can generate or store electricity or have the smarts to
Speaker 4: actively manage energy demand. It then lists examples rooftop solar panels,
Speaker 4: wind generating units, residential or commercial battery storage systems, pool pumps,
Speaker 4: air conditions, smarter planters, and electric vehicles. There's nothing that
Speaker 4: is yours that you can say, I've paid for this
Speaker 4: and you can't steal it.
Speaker 12: But I'm pretty sure if they were taking your electricity,
Speaker 12: electric already happens with solar panels when you're feeding.
Speaker 2: Them, Joe, Joe, they take our taxes and they don't
Speaker 2: compensate us for that socialism, and we don't need any
Speaker 2: more of it. And you know what, I'll tell you
Speaker 2: one other things. You can have my gas stove when
Speaker 2: you're taking from my cold dead heads.
Speaker 10: Now I'm keeping mind.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bronwin, Bishop, Joe Hildebrand. By the way, stick
Speaker 2: around because Joe is going to be on the Late
Speaker 2: Debate just after this program, So do not go anywhere.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take a short break after the break. Tons
Speaker 2: more topic, tons more fun. James Brow here for Paul
Speaker 2: Murray Live. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to the program.
Speaker 2: James Borrow filling in here for Paul on Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: And how much fun was that with Bronwin Bishop and
Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand. But now we've got much more fun to
Speaker 2: have with the debate continuing. Joining me now is libertarian
Speaker 2: commentator Christen Abraham and LLNP MP Phil Thompson, Welcome to
Speaker 2: both of you guys. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 2: me here on the program. Want to ask about this topic.
Speaker 2: First of all, you know it seems like the Anzac
Speaker 2: Day fights come earlier and earlier every year. Chris Min's,
Speaker 2: the New South Wales Premier, has made I think a
Speaker 2: very sensible decision to say, you know what, we don't
Speaker 2: need the supermarkets open on Anzac Day. We don't need
Speaker 2: the cafes, take away restaurants and things like that. They'll
Speaker 2: still be able to treat, but big things like calls Willies,
Speaker 2: they are not trading on Anzac Day. Phil Thompson, you're
Speaker 2: a veteran. What do you make of this decision? Is
Speaker 2: this the way to keep this day sacred and preserve
Speaker 2: the specialist of Anzact Day.
Speaker 14: Well, the freedoms that we enjoy are on the back
Speaker 14: of hardfore battles, wars and sacrifice our brave men and
Speaker 14: women in uniform, our veterans and their families have made.
Speaker 14: And if you cast your mind back only to Anzac Day,
Speaker 14: there was a concert that was playing in New South
Speaker 14: Wales in Sydney, right where the Antact Day March was
Speaker 14: going to be going through and at the time I
Speaker 14: spoke out against it, the government was caught off guard.
Speaker 1: They didn't really know how to handle it.
Speaker 14: So this is now progressed to where I think they've
Speaker 14: landed on a good position to go, well, we don't
Speaker 14: want that to happen again because it was very disrespectful
Speaker 14: to veterans and their families, and I think, you know,
Speaker 14: we won't have certain things. Trading is a good thing
Speaker 14: and I welcome it, and I think, you know, it
Speaker 14: should be spread across the country.
Speaker 2: Kristin Abraham, what are your thoughts on this, because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people out there who say, well, you know,
Speaker 2: it's the supermarket's right to decide whether or not they're
Speaker 2: open or not. I think it's kind of interesting because
Speaker 2: I've seen on social media an awful lot of people
Speaker 2: who are on the far left defending the right of
Speaker 2: big business supermarkets to have their day to continue to trade.
Speaker 2: But what's your take on this, Kristen.
Speaker 15: For me, Anzac Day, we have a tradition. We go
Speaker 15: to the dawn service, meet and my friends. We then
Speaker 15: do breakfast together and then we sit around and watch
Speaker 15: the foot and have a few beers afterwards.
Speaker 3: So that's our tradition.
Speaker 15: As a libertarian, I'm kind of in a catch twenty
Speaker 15: two with this because I do believe we should have
Speaker 15: that sense of community brought together.
Speaker 3: We should have a government that wants to ensure.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 15: Remembering our ans acts and living on in their image
Speaker 15: and appreciating the fact that we have our democracy and
Speaker 15: the ability to criticize our politicians as well.
Speaker 3: That's everything that they fought for as well.
Speaker 15: But I don't think that the government should pick winners
Speaker 15: and losers as do who can and cannot trade. So,
Speaker 15: you know, on one hand, I think what they're trying
Speaker 15: to do is beautiful and I respect it and I
Speaker 15: love it because I pay my own tribute to our diggers.
Speaker 15: But winners and losers the government shouldn't at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I get that. But you know, just Phil,
Speaker 2: I want to go back to you just one more
Speaker 2: time on this because it does seem to be like,
Speaker 2: you know, there is this constant attempt to make every
Speaker 2: public holiday like every other day and take anything special
Speaker 2: out of the calendar. But you know, we all know
Speaker 2: every society, every nation, every faith, whatever, has a calendar.
Speaker 2: There are special days where you do and don't do
Speaker 2: certain things. I mean, Phil, do you think that this
Speaker 2: is one of those things where you know we really
Speaker 2: need to do more to protect this day and possibly
Speaker 2: other days that I don't want to say sacred because
Speaker 2: it's not religious, but that are important for us and
Speaker 2: bring us all together as our strets wherever in the
Speaker 2: world we come from.
Speaker 14: I do, I really do, because it is one of
Speaker 14: our most important days in the national calendar, where we
Speaker 14: reflect on those who pay the ultimate sacrifice in war,
Speaker 14: those who succumb to their war within here back in
Speaker 14: home soil, and to the families that have carried a
Speaker 14: great burden. I reflect on my mates that were killed overseas,
Speaker 14: and I spend a day with them and having a
Speaker 14: beer and remembering and laughing and crying and going through
Speaker 14: a big ball of emotions. And I think where we
Speaker 14: need to bring this nation back too closer together, teach
Speaker 14: it in schools, why we respect it. We don't encourage
Speaker 14: public servants to opt in and opt out of different
Speaker 14: days what they can can and can't take off, because
Speaker 14: I think it waters down the significance of the of
Speaker 14: Antack Day. I support the move and in the garrison
Speaker 14: city of Townshill, our whole city stands still, it pauses,
Speaker 14: it reflects, and we all come together as one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, look, I think you're right and I think
Speaker 2: you know, we will get to the situation where as
Speaker 2: the fight against Australia DY continues, they're going to start
Speaker 2: moving to that next front, which is going to be
Speaker 2: ANZAC day. But one to move on to another issue here,
Speaker 2: which is shadow of Indigen's a ffairs, mister just in
Speaker 2: the Price, and she has outlined bold plans for an
Speaker 2: advancement movement in Indigen's affairs to take things beyond the
Speaker 2: voice and she said that this movement is about a
Speaker 2: second wave for real reconciliation and integration. Phil just to
Speaker 2: see with you. Do you think that she is onto
Speaker 2: something with this advancement movement.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 14: And I met with the Palm Island Council just recently
Speaker 14: and we're talking about closing the gap. And I'm very
Speaker 14: clear in my view around it, and I don't think
Speaker 14: politicians close the gap. I think they create the framework
Speaker 14: and the communities do it. I don't want to see
Speaker 14: fly and fly out workers into remote communities. I want
Speaker 14: to see empowerment and growth and training and skills all
Speaker 14: developed locally to empower and support their communities. I think
Speaker 14: that Jacinna's plan is good. It will be teased out
Speaker 14: and developed well. And I know that the communities around
Speaker 14: my patch and into the north, you know, they don't
Speaker 14: always like having people fly in and fly out.
Speaker 1: They want to do the jobs too.
Speaker 14: They want to work, they want to make money, they
Speaker 14: want to spend it where they choose to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, Christy, that's just a really interesting point.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, as a libertarian, I'd love
Speaker 2: to get your views on this because there's so much
Speaker 2: money thrown around a regulation by government and trying to
Speaker 2: tell people what they can and can't do. Is there
Speaker 2: a case to be made that the government is maybe
Speaker 2: getting too much in the way of Indigenous advancement in some.
Speaker 15: Cases, James, if you have to ask me if the
Speaker 15: government's getting too much in the way.
Speaker 3: My answer is always going to be yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uha.
Speaker 15: The government is the problem in nearly every situation that
Speaker 15: we face. But it's amazing to have someone like just
Speaker 15: Enterprise out there. She's incredibly phenomenal and looking at her
Speaker 15: pathway forward after the Voice, not only did it make
Speaker 15: a plan for the Aboriginal community and how to empower
Speaker 15: them in their own communities to want to contribute. But
Speaker 15: it also outlined how there would be unity with our
Speaker 15: Indigenous Australians and.
Speaker 3: Non Indigenous Australians.
Speaker 15: Which I think is beautiful.
Speaker 3: That's leadership because.
Speaker 15: We're not seeing that from our politicians. We continue to
Speaker 15: get is divisiveness. So yes, I think the government is
Speaker 15: the problem. They should butt out. And if there's anyone
Speaker 15: that probably has the best way to look at it
Speaker 15: or a different perspective that might work for ones, it
Speaker 15: is probably just enterprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think you're right. She's an absolute legend
Speaker 2: and absolute hero I think to so many people in
Speaker 2: this country for the work she's done on this. But Christy,
Speaker 2: let me stay with you. Will just shift gears, I mean,
Speaker 2: because this is a bit of a depressing story out
Speaker 2: of Queensland, out of the Courier Mail, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: this is being replicated in states and territories across this nation.
Speaker 2: Apparently twenty thousand people in Queensland are now being forced
Speaker 2: to sell their properties, sell their homes because they cannot
Speaker 2: afford it with the interest rates the cost of living.
Speaker 2: What are your reactions to this number, and particularly as
Speaker 2: you see the government doing so many things to drive
Speaker 2: up inflation with their being spending and to increase the
Speaker 2: cost of living.
Speaker 15: I'm sure that Victoria will give Queensland a run for
Speaker 15: its money soon.
Speaker 3: I'm a Victorian and I can tell.
Speaker 15: You that it's just as bad down here in terms
Speaker 15: of the situation that we find ourselves in with the
Speaker 15: housing We have over regulation in the housing market. We
Speaker 15: have permits on top of permits, taxes on top of materials,
Speaker 15: government intervention consistently. So there's another one, James, where the
Speaker 15: government should get out of the way because they are
Speaker 15: the problem. But the thing that frustrates me the most
Speaker 15: is the fact that it is the voting public's fault
Speaker 15: that we're in this situation.
Speaker 3: To be completely honest.
Speaker 15: And at the risk of you never inviting me back
Speaker 15: onto the show, the problem is not a smashed avocado
Speaker 15: on toast, and it's not you know, coffee before work
Speaker 15: every morning that you purchase from the cafe. The problem
Speaker 15: is that people stick their head in the sand and
Speaker 15: go Politics makes.
Speaker 3: Me too mad. Politics gets me too.
Speaker 15: Upset, So right, don't pay attention, and then they take
Speaker 15: that apathy are the ballot box, and then we have
Speaker 15: politicians that give us that apathy in our life and
Speaker 15: now we are reaping what we.
Speaker 2: Saw well indeed, But Phil, I want to ask you
Speaker 2: to your Queen's lad, what is the situation? Is it
Speaker 2: really as nigher as the Career mail is reporting? There
Speaker 2: are these numbers accurate? Are they?
Speaker 16: You know?
Speaker 2: Understanding the problem? Tell us about what you're hearing from
Speaker 2: your constituents.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so I think the Courier mail has hit the
Speaker 14: nail on the head here. They're probably been a bit
Speaker 14: more cautious with the numbers than they could be in
Speaker 14: towns or We have a very low rental market, impossible
Speaker 14: to get into, hard.
Speaker 1: To buy a house here.
Speaker 14: And you know, if you look around the country, you've
Speaker 14: got elbow and gym high five in each other going.
Speaker 14: You know, the budgets you back in black and we're
Speaker 14: doing great well. The household budget's not and the household
Speaker 14: budget's doing it tough.
Speaker 1: And you've got steven.
Speaker 14: Miles the queens and PREMI spending money like a drunken sailor,
Speaker 14: and it is compounding, is hurting people.
Speaker 1: The housing market.
Speaker 14: Is nearly at market failure in the North, and I
Speaker 14: think that there needs to be a much bigger focus,
Speaker 14: and I agree politicians absolutely are the problem and we
Speaker 14: need to get governments out of your way, not in
Speaker 14: your way.
Speaker 2: And I think you know it's not just spending like
Speaker 2: a drunken sailor. I'd uprated and say he's spending money
Speaker 2: like a drunken yachtsman. Anyway, Phil Kristen, don't go anywhere
Speaker 2: you don't go when we're either going to be back
Speaker 2: with a lot more talk, a lot more debate after
Speaker 2: the break. Welcome back to the program. James Borrow filling
Speaker 2: in here for Paul on Paul Murray Live and how
Speaker 2: much fun was that with Bronwin Bishop of Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 2: But now we've got much more fun to have with
Speaker 2: the debate continuing. Joining me now is libertarian commentator Christin
Speaker 2: Abraham and llenp MP Phil Thompson. Welcome to both both
Speaker 2: of you, guys. Thank you so much for joining me
Speaker 2: here on the program. I want to ask about this topic.
Speaker 2: First of all, you know, it seems like the Anzac
Speaker 2: Day fights come earlier and earlier every year. Chris Min's,
Speaker 2: the new South Wales Premier, has made I think a
Speaker 2: very sensible decision to say, you know what, we don't
Speaker 2: need the supermarkets open on Anzact Day. We don't need
Speaker 2: the cafes, take away restaurants and things like that. They'll
Speaker 2: aso be able to trade, but big things like Coles Willies,
Speaker 2: they are not trading on Anzac Day. Phil Thompson, you're
Speaker 2: a veteran. What do you make of this decision? Is
Speaker 2: this the way to keep this day sacred and preserve
Speaker 2: the specialists of Anzact Day?
Speaker 14: Well, the freedoms that we enjoy are on the back
Speaker 14: of hard fought battles, wars and sacrifice our brave men
Speaker 14: and women in uniform, our veterans and their families have made.
Speaker 1: And if you cast your mind back only to.
Speaker 14: Anzac Day, there was a concert that was plying in
Speaker 14: New South Wales in Sydney, right where the Antac Day
Speaker 14: march was going to be going through, and at the
Speaker 14: time I spoke out against it, the government was caught
Speaker 14: off guard. They didn't really know how to handle it.
Speaker 14: So this is now progressed to where I think they've
Speaker 14: landed on a good position to go, Well, we don't
Speaker 14: want that to happen again because it was very disrespectful
Speaker 14: to veterans and their families, and I think, you know,
Speaker 14: we won't have certain things. Trading is a good thing
Speaker 14: and I welcome it, and I think, you know, it
Speaker 14: should be spread across the country.
Speaker 2: Christin Abraham, what are your thoughts on this, because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people out there who say, well, you know,
Speaker 2: it's the supermarket's right to decide whether or not they're
Speaker 2: open or not. I think it's kind of interesting because
Speaker 2: I've seen on social media an awful lot of people
Speaker 2: who are on the far left defending the right of
Speaker 2: big business supermarkets to have their data continue to trade.
Speaker 2: But what's your take on this, Kristen.
Speaker 15: For me, Anzac Day, we have a tradition we go
Speaker 15: to the dawn service meet and my friends. We then
Speaker 15: do breakfast together and then we sit around and watch
Speaker 15: the footy and have a few beers afterwards.
Speaker 3: So that's our tradition.
Speaker 15: As a libertarian, I'm kind of in a catch twenty
Speaker 15: two with this because I do believe we should have
Speaker 15: that sense of community brought together. We should have a
Speaker 15: government that wants to ensure we are remembering our ans
Speaker 15: acts and living on in their image and appreciating the
Speaker 15: fact that we have our democracy and the ability to
Speaker 15: criticize our politicians as well.
Speaker 3: That's everything that they fought for as well.
Speaker 15: But I don't think that the government should pick winners
Speaker 15: and losers as do who can and cannot trade. So,
Speaker 15: you know, on one hand, I think what they're trying
Speaker 15: to do is beautiful and I respect it and I
Speaker 15: love it because I pay my own tribute to our diggers,
Speaker 15: winners and losers.
Speaker 3: The government shouldn't at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I get that, but you know, just Phil,
Speaker 2: I want to go back to you just one more
Speaker 2: time on this because it does seem to me, like
Speaker 2: you know, there is this constant attempt to make every
Speaker 2: public holiday like every other day and take anything special
Speaker 2: out of the calendar. But you know, we all know
Speaker 2: every society, every nation, every faith, whatever, has a calendar.
Speaker 2: There are special days where you do and don't do
Speaker 2: certain things. I mean, Phil, do you think that this
Speaker 2: is one of those things where you know, we really
Speaker 2: need to do more to protect this day and possibly
Speaker 2: other you know, days that I don't want to say
Speaker 2: sacred because it's not religious, but that are important for
Speaker 2: us and bring us all together as Austrains wherever in
Speaker 2: the world we come from.
Speaker 14: I do, I really do, because it is one of
Speaker 14: our most important days in the national calendar, where we
Speaker 14: reflect on those who pay the ultimate sacrifice in war,
Speaker 14: those to succumb to their war within here back in
Speaker 14: home so and to the families that have carried a
Speaker 14: great burden.
Speaker 1: I reflect on my mates.
Speaker 14: That were killed overseas, and I spend a day with
Speaker 14: them and having a beer and remembering and laughing and
Speaker 14: crying and going through a big ball of emotions. And
Speaker 14: I think where we need to bring this nation back
Speaker 14: too closer together, teach it in schools, why we respect it.
Speaker 14: We don't encourage public servants to opt in and opt
Speaker 14: out of different days what they can can and can't
Speaker 14: take off, because I think it waters down the significance.
Speaker 1: The of ANTAC Day.
Speaker 14: I support the move and in the garrison city of Townshill,
Speaker 14: our whole city stands still, It pauses, it reflects, and
Speaker 14: we all come together as one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, look, I think you're right, and I think
Speaker 2: you know, we will get to the situation where as
Speaker 2: the fight against Australia Day continues, they're going to struggle
Speaker 2: into that next front, which is going to be ANZAC Day.
Speaker 2: But want to move on to another issue here, which
Speaker 2: is shadow indigenus, mister sider Price, and she has outlined
Speaker 2: bold plans for an advancement movement in Indigenous affairs to
Speaker 2: take things beyond the voice. And she's said that this
Speaker 2: movement is about a second wave for real reconciliation and integration.
Speaker 2: Phil just to stay with you, do you think that
Speaker 2: she is onto something with this advancement movement?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 14: And I met with the Palm Island Council just recently
Speaker 14: and we're talking about closing the gap. And I'm very
Speaker 14: clear in my view around it. And I don't think
Speaker 14: politicians close the gap. I think they create the framework
Speaker 14: and the communities do it. I don't want to see
Speaker 14: fly and fly out workers into remote communities. I want
Speaker 14: to see empowerment and growth and training and skills all
Speaker 14: developed locally to empower and support their communities.
Speaker 1: I think that Jacinna's plan is good. It will be
Speaker 1: teased out and developed well.
Speaker 14: And I know that the communities around my patch and
Speaker 14: into the north, you know, they don't always like having
Speaker 14: people fly and fly it.
Speaker 1: They want to do the jobs too.
Speaker 14: They want to work, they want to make money, they
Speaker 14: want to spend it where they choose to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Look, Christy, that's just a really interesting point.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, as a libertarian, i'd love
Speaker 2: to get your views on this because there's so much
Speaker 2: money thrown around and regulation by government and trying to
Speaker 2: tell people what they can and can't do. Is there
Speaker 2: a case to be made that the government is maybe
Speaker 2: getting too much in the way of Indigenous advancement in
Speaker 2: some cases?
Speaker 15: James, if you have to ask me if the government's
Speaker 15: getting too much in the way.
Speaker 3: My answer is always going to be yes. Yeah, Aha.
Speaker 15: The government is the problem in nearly every situation that
Speaker 15: we face. But it's amazing to have someone like just
Speaker 15: Enterprise out there. She's incredibly phenomenal and looking at.
Speaker 3: Her pathway forward after the voyee.
Speaker 15: Not only did it make a plan for the Aboriginal
Speaker 15: community and how to empower them in their own communities
Speaker 15: to want to contribute, but it also outlined how there
Speaker 15: would be unity with our Indigenous Australians and non Indigenous Australians,
Speaker 15: which I think is beautiful. That's leadership because we're not
Speaker 15: seeing that from our politicians. We continue to get this divisiveness.
Speaker 15: So yes, I think the government is the problem. They
Speaker 15: should butt out and if there's anyone that probably has
Speaker 15: the best way to look at it, or a different
Speaker 15: perspective that might work for once.
Speaker 3: It is probably just enterprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think you're right. She's an absolute legend
Speaker 2: and absolute hero, I think to so many people in
Speaker 2: this country for the works it's done on this But Christian,
Speaker 2: let me stay with you. Just shift gears. I mean,
Speaker 2: because this is a bit of a depressing story out
Speaker 2: of Queensland, out of the Courier mail, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: this is being replicated in states and territories across this nation.
Speaker 2: Apparently twenty thousand people in Queensland are now being forced
Speaker 2: to sell their properties, sell their homes because they cannot
Speaker 2: afford with the interest rates the cost of living. What
Speaker 2: are your reactions to this number, and particularly as you
Speaker 2: see the government doing so many things to drive up
Speaker 2: inflation with the big spending and to increase the cost
Speaker 2: of living.
Speaker 15: Well, I'm sure that Victoria will give Queensland a run
Speaker 15: for its money soon. I'm a Victorian and I can
Speaker 15: tell you that it's just as bad down here in
Speaker 15: terms of the situation that we find ourselves in with housing.
Speaker 15: We have over regulation in the housing market, we have
Speaker 15: permits on top of permits, taxes on top of materials,
Speaker 15: government intervention consistently. So there's another one, James, where the
Speaker 15: government should get out of the way because they are
Speaker 15: the problem. But the thing that frustrates me the most
Speaker 15: is the fact that it is the voting public's fault
Speaker 15: that we're in this situation.
Speaker 3: To be completely honest.
Speaker 15: And at the risk of you never inviting me back
Speaker 15: into this shuttle, the problem is not a smashed avocado
Speaker 15: on toast, and it's not you know, coffee before work
Speaker 15: every morning that you purchase from the cafe. The problem
Speaker 15: is that people stick their head in the stand and
Speaker 15: go politics makes me too mad, Politics gets me too upset, Sorry,
Speaker 15: don't pay attention. And then they take that apathy to
Speaker 15: the ballot box. And then we have politicians that give
Speaker 15: us that apathy in our life, and now we are
Speaker 15: reaping what we.
Speaker 2: Saw well indeed, But Phil, I want to ask you too,
Speaker 2: your Queen's lad, what is the situation? Is it really
Speaker 2: as dire as the Caurier Avail is reporting. There are
Speaker 2: these numbers accurate? Are they? You know? Understanding the problem?
Speaker 2: Tell us about what you're hearing from your constituents.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so I think the courier mail has hit the
Speaker 14: nail on the head here. They're probably been a bit
Speaker 14: more cautious with the numbers than they could be in
Speaker 14: towns or. We have a very low rental market, impossible
Speaker 14: to get into, hard.
Speaker 1: To house here.
Speaker 14: And you know, if you look around the country, you've
Speaker 14: got elbow and gym high five in each other going.
Speaker 14: You know, the budgets, you know back in black.
Speaker 1: And we're doing great well.
Speaker 14: The household budget's not and the household budget's doing it tough.
Speaker 14: And you've got Steven Miles, the Queenslane Premier, spending money
Speaker 14: like a drunken sailor, and it is compounding, is hurting people.
Speaker 1: The housing market.
Speaker 14: Is nearly at market failure in the North, and I
Speaker 14: think that there needs to be a much bigger focus.
Speaker 14: And I agree politicians absolutely are the problem, and we
Speaker 14: need to get governments out of your way, not in
Speaker 14: your way.
Speaker 2: And I think you know it's not just spending like
Speaker 2: a drunken sailor. I'd uprated and say he's spending money
Speaker 2: like a drunken yachtsman. Anyway, Phil Kristen, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: You don't go. Why we're either going to be back
Speaker 2: with a lot more talk, a lot more debate after
Speaker 2: the break. Good evening. James here sitting in for Paul
Speaker 2: Murray live here on the program. We've got Philip Thompson,
Speaker 2: We've got kristin here talking all about all these different
Speaker 2: isitions today, Phil, I want to start with you. We've
Speaker 2: got a big issue here. We know that Australia's defense
Speaker 2: forces probably aren't getting quite as much equipment as they need.
Speaker 2: The defense procurement has been a bit of shambles over
Speaker 2: the past few years, but there has been an announcement
Speaker 2: that troops will be equipped with a new lightweight drone
Speaker 2: called a Switchblade drone. We're going to get a small
Speaker 2: number of these. I think dron warfare has been an
Speaker 2: issue and something we've seen quite some time. Here are
Speaker 2: our troops getting the equipment that they need to fight
Speaker 2: the next generation of combat, which is going to involve,
Speaker 2: as we already see in places like Ukraine, an awful
Speaker 2: lot of this sort of kit.
Speaker 1: No, simply neithery're not and not quick enough.
Speaker 14: And I don't mind looking abroad for different equipment that
Speaker 14: we don't have here. But we have the ability to
Speaker 14: manufacture drones in Australia and we need to be serious
Speaker 14: about what these drones are.
Speaker 1: They are lethal bits of kit.
Speaker 14: They are there to create damage on the battlefield, protect
Speaker 14: our people. Whether they're kamakazi or they're dropping any sort
Speaker 14: of ordinance, they're there to kill the enemy. I'm not
Speaker 14: opposed to the switchblade and to looking abroad and doing
Speaker 14: things like that, but I do think we need to
Speaker 14: have our own defense industry and our own base here
Speaker 14: growing and developing and working side by side and closely
Speaker 14: with the soldiers because they're already in country, to see
Speaker 14: what they want and how it will work for them,
Speaker 14: so they can be the most lethal on the battlefield
Speaker 14: if the time arises.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think we often miss and it
Speaker 2: feels like sometimes a defense bureaucracy seems to miss the
Speaker 2: point here that the point of the defense forces is
Speaker 2: to kill the enemy, take the battle to them and
Speaker 2: protect Australia and our interests. And I think sometimes it
Speaker 2: just feels like speak social work bureaucracy and they don't
Speaker 2: sometimes seem to get it. We don't have a lot
Speaker 2: of time. Christ NASA will ask you about this report
Speaker 2: of the Australian about the hospitality industry. Again, we have
Speaker 2: this issue with the government money and the cost of living.
Speaker 2: We've got a huge number of cafes and restaurants now
Speaker 2: at the brink of collapse, with the number of companies
Speaker 2: going bus ninety percent higher than they were ten years
Speaker 2: ago in twenty thirteen fourteen. What's the solution to this?
Speaker 2: Quickly get rid of the government.
Speaker 15: To be honest, Let's reduce the size of government. Let's
Speaker 15: reduce restrictions, cut taxes and let businesses thrive. Because right now,
Speaker 15: the reason why hospitality is failing and every other industry
Speaker 15: across Australia is finding it hard to survive is because
Speaker 15: of government intervention, their taxes and their overregulation.
Speaker 3: So slash it and we'll fix it.
Speaker 2: All right. Well, that's pretty much, very very fairly set here. Now,
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about finally getting opinion.
Speaker 2: I want you both pick me a winner on this.
Speaker 2: I know christ and you don't like to pick winners,
Speaker 2: but we're gonna pick a winner here. Donald Trump has
Speaker 2: challenged Joe Biden to a round of golf. How look
Speaker 2: at this then.
Speaker 16: The debate, Sleepy Joe also declared that he wanted to
Speaker 16: test his skills and stamina against mine on.
Speaker 2: The golf course.
Speaker 10: Can you believe this?
Speaker 2: Did you ever see him swing?
Speaker 16: I'm also officially challenging cricket Joe to an eighteen hole
Speaker 16: golf match right here.
Speaker 10: I will give him ten strokes aside, and if.
Speaker 16: He wins, I will give the charity of his choice,
Speaker 16: any charity that he wants, one million dollars.
Speaker 2: Phil, let's start with you million dollar golf challenge for charity.
Speaker 2: Who do you rean is gonna win? In ten seconds?
Speaker 2: Joe Bider, Donald Trump? Who wins that one?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump wins.
Speaker 14: Joy Barden can't walk on a stage without falling over
Speaker 14: or up a fly of stairs, a ride a pushbike.
Speaker 14: So my money would be behind Donald Trump to absolutely
Speaker 14: walk the floor with him in their golf.
Speaker 2: Match, even with ten strokes. Here, Christen, I know we're
Speaker 2: off the libertarian topic here, but who wins the golf
Speaker 2: match between sleepy Joe and Big Don?
Speaker 15: Look, it's going to be Big Don for me, but
Speaker 15: they're both subpart to me, James.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, We're gonna have to leave it there.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much, Phil, Tims, Christiansten, so much
Speaker 2: of your time. Thanks to Joe Hildebrand Brown Bishop and
Speaker 2: thank you for watching tonight. Paul Real Live, Stay tuned
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