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<v Speaker 1>for more. So at the start of the school term,

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<v Speaker 1>I put together some new healthy habits for me and

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<v Speaker 1>for the family, so you know, really simple ones, things

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<v Speaker 1>like I set us a family goal of only one

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<v Speaker 1>takeaway meal on the weekends.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is actually a lot harder than it might sound.

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<v Speaker 1>I also set myself a goal that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>do one yoga class on the weekends. I'm so stiff

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<v Speaker 1>as a board, and I just keep putting off yoga.

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<v Speaker 1>I love yoga, so I'm like, yes, I can easily

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<v Speaker 1>find a spare hour on the weekend, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>the other ones, the usual culprits of you know, less

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<v Speaker 1>screen time for the kids, etc. So we have been

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<v Speaker 1>off and running, and it's been going really well. That

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<v Speaker 1>last week, Tim went away. He's gone away for two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got to Friday afternoon and he'd only been

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<v Speaker 1>gone at that point, like three or four days.

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<v Speaker 2>I've still got a while to go.

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<v Speaker 1>As I record this, he went away and I got

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<v Speaker 1>to Friday afternoon and I was just done. I had

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<v Speaker 1>food in the fridge ready to cook for dinner, nice healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I cook that healthy meal?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Did I order chargrul Charlie's over Uberroots?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Did I get to my yoga class on the weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>There was time for it. It was a really busy weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was time. On Saturday afternoon I could have gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I go to yoga?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Did I lay on the couch and watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Trash TV for a couple of hours, yes, And I

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<v Speaker 1>just got to the end of the weekend, the kids

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<v Speaker 1>had spent more time on screens than I had intended.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just thought, ugh, Amelia, what have you done?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you actually did have all the ducks lined up

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<v Speaker 1>to have a good, healthy weekend and to hit these

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<v Speaker 1>new healthy goals that you kind of set for you

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<v Speaker 1>and the family.

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<v Speaker 2>But honestly, I just I felt too overwhelmed. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just done. And now I look back and I think,

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<v Speaker 2>what could I have done differently?

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<v Speaker 3>Was that okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was okay, but I just thought what happens

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<v Speaker 2>when we just feel too overwhelmed to change? This is

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<v Speaker 2>healthy her with Amelia Phillips.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever had the best of intentions to make

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<v Speaker 1>that healthy change, only to get to crunch time and

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<v Speaker 1>just feel too overwhelmed or maybe too exhausted to follow through?

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe you've made the change. You start the year

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<v Speaker 1>of so well, You're exercising regularly, you're doing your strength training,

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<v Speaker 1>you're eating your protein, you're eating well, only to get

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<v Speaker 1>a few months in and the overwhelm of life just

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<v Speaker 1>zaps any motivation you had. This struggle is real, my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>I see it, I hear it all the time. I

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<v Speaker 1>experience it in my own life. Yet some women do

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<v Speaker 1>manage to strike that balance to make healthy changes stick

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<v Speaker 1>amidst the chaos of life. I'll never forget watching politician

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<v Speaker 1>Julie Bishop jogging around Parliament House on this cold, dark,

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<v Speaker 1>rainy morning before a huge day of media engagements in questioning,

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<v Speaker 1>and remember watching her jogging and then seeing all these

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<v Speaker 1>media clips and this huge day she'd had.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember thinking to myself.

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<v Speaker 1>If anyone had an excuse for skipping their workout today,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been her.

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<v Speaker 2>But what made her show up?

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<v Speaker 1>What made her do that early morning, cold dark run

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<v Speaker 1>before such a stressful day. What is the answer when

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<v Speaker 1>we are feeling that wired yet tired sense of overwhelm,

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<v Speaker 1>What is going on in our brains? And how can

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<v Speaker 1>we override it or maybe even work with it to

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<v Speaker 1>still make the healthy changes that we want. To help

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<v Speaker 1>us navigate this tricky task, I am joined by world

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<v Speaker 1>leading habit change expert Gena Cleo. Doctor Gina has a

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<v Speaker 1>PhD in habit change. She's an assistant professor at Bond University.

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<v Speaker 1>She's also an accredited dietitian and the founder of the

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<v Speaker 1>Habit Change Institute who I love the sound of that.

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<v Speaker 1>She's written the best selling book, The Habit Revolution, and

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<v Speaker 1>she runs courses through her Habit Change Institute. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>really help us transform our productivity, our health, our mindset,

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<v Speaker 1>and our lifestyle habits not just short term but long term,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Gina, thank you so much for joining us Onhealthy

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<v Speaker 1>Herd today.

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<v Speaker 3>So good to be with you, Amelia, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>When someone says I'm just too overwhelmed to even start,

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<v Speaker 2>what is actually going on in our brain at that moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when we're overwhelmed prefrontal cortex, the logical part of

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<v Speaker 3>our brain, the one that's responsible for planning, decision making,

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<v Speaker 3>and self control, it's essentially going offline. We shift into

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<v Speaker 3>survival mode. And you know that survival mode makes it

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<v Speaker 3>really hard to start something new or to create a

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<v Speaker 3>new healthy habit. And survival mode is very much run

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<v Speaker 3>by a stress response. It's not laziness or a lack

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<v Speaker 3>of willpower. It's neurobiology. The brain is literally prioritizing threat

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<v Speaker 3>management over long term goal pursuits. And that's actually a

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<v Speaker 3>really important reframe I think for so many of us

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<v Speaker 3>who can be a little bit hard on ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my God, I love that, Like I've just had

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<v Speaker 1>a full brain unlock when you said that that this

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<v Speaker 1>is actually a stress response, and to think of it

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<v Speaker 1>in that way straight away from me, because I've had

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<v Speaker 1>such a raw experience of it. It's literally, we're recording

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<v Speaker 1>this on a Monday, and I'm talking to you about

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<v Speaker 1>something that happened yesterday. Over this last weekend, I have

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of shame around it, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>of my expectations not being met. But when you just

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<v Speaker 1>said it's actually a stress response straight away, I go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>poor darling, poor me, How good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad to give you that gift because I

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<v Speaker 3>really do see it like that, that self compassion, that

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<v Speaker 3>understanding of our brain, I think can be the most

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<v Speaker 3>liberating thing. And yeah, oh it's beautiful that. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>we're like five minutes in and here we are having

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<v Speaker 3>a great time already.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know. All right, let's just wrap the episode up.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we're done. I'm done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go away, and no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>please stay stay because I want to talk about overwhelmed,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's funny. I often think of overwhelm as a

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<v Speaker 1>time issue.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like I've got too much on.

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<v Speaker 1>But interestingly, and using my example again from the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually can't use it as an excuse because I

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<v Speaker 1>have been very organized and I did have the food

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<v Speaker 1>in the fridge, and I did have the time. So

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not a time issue, is it a cognitive

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<v Speaker 1>load issue or is it that stress issue that you

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<v Speaker 1>were just talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is mostly a cognitive load thing. You can

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<v Speaker 3>give someone a completely free Saturday, like you said you

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<v Speaker 3>had time on your Saturday afternoon, but you can give

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<v Speaker 3>them all the time in the world and they will

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<v Speaker 3>still feel overwhelmed if their mental bandwidth is maxed out.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing with our cognitive resources is it's finite. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't have an unlimited amount of it each day. And

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<v Speaker 3>modern life like mental load of a family, work, making decisions,

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<v Speaker 3>digital noise, all of these things actually drain that tank

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<v Speaker 3>fast and like faster than when we were living I

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<v Speaker 3>guess in caves like in natural times. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>rarely you know, a real barrier. It's mental space. And

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<v Speaker 3>when we have less cognitive capacity, we will feel more

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<v Speaker 3>and more overwhelmed, even by the tiniest.

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<v Speaker 1>Things in the work that you do. Do you see

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<v Speaker 1>and mums in particular, because my audience is predominantly mums.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see the cognitive and emotional load of parenthood

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<v Speaker 1>underrepresented and under recognized as a stressor and as something

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<v Speaker 1>that takes up so much load? Because sometimes we can

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<v Speaker 1>get to the end of the day, my husband says

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<v Speaker 1>to me, well, you know, so let's talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>you accomplished today, you know, in a work sense, because

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<v Speaker 1>we work together and sometimes my list is very small.

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<v Speaker 1>But on a cognitive and emotional level, I've you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talked three children off the ledge of a meltdown, or

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<v Speaker 1>I've you know, scheduled so many things. Do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of parents that that can be really underrepresented?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and it's in themselves. It's not realizing even how

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<v Speaker 3>much self regulation it takes to wrangle three children to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that they're you know, not pulling each other's

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<v Speaker 3>hair out, and that they're eating on time and all

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<v Speaker 3>these things. It's constant. It is relentless, and when you

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<v Speaker 3>look at it from a productivity lens, it doesn't look

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<v Speaker 3>like you achieved all that much, but actually it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like a duck and your little legs are just

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<v Speaker 3>being like non stop under the water, doing all the

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<v Speaker 3>things and doing it while regulating your own nervous system

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<v Speaker 3>through it all, and that's huge.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the.

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<v Speaker 1>Challenge for a lot of us mums is that we

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<v Speaker 1>really want to continue to grow and improve and evolve

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<v Speaker 1>as a person.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got our health goals.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of us are entering that perimenopause and menopause period.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have these habits that we want to change.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to make new, healthier habits. Maybe we want

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<v Speaker 1>to break some old habits. What's the best way to

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<v Speaker 1>go about this? Like, are we better off just having

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<v Speaker 1>a table flip moment and having a clean slate and

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<v Speaker 1>just starting a whole bunch of new habits at once,

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<v Speaker 1>or is that going to be something that backfires?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you, as a habit.

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<v Speaker 1>Change expert, suggest us mums in this big cognitive load

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<v Speaker 1>and stress period of life, tackles this healthy habit change

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<v Speaker 1>that we want to make.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the first thing is to start so so small,

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<v Speaker 3>so small it feels like you can't say no to

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<v Speaker 3>doing it, and when you think of that, make it

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<v Speaker 3>even smaller. Like I worked with someone who hadn't exercise

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<v Speaker 3>in decades and his task was just to put his

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<v Speaker 3>sneakers on first thing in the morning. That's it. That's

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<v Speaker 3>all I wanted him to do. And once he did that,

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<v Speaker 3>it obviously then cascaded into walking out to his letterbox

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<v Speaker 3>and then down the road and round the corner and

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<v Speaker 3>run the block, and it went to bigger and better things.

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<v Speaker 3>But the entry point, like the first time we do anything,

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<v Speaker 3>is usually the hardest, right. It's the first yoga class,

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<v Speaker 3>the first time you eat kale, the first time you

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<v Speaker 3>decide to put your phone down and get to bed

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<v Speaker 3>on time. It's always the first. And so if we

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<v Speaker 3>can reduce the barrier to entry by making that first

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<v Speaker 3>step so achievable, that is how we win. That is

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<v Speaker 3>how we move forward. And I would also say, just

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<v Speaker 3>pick one thing. It's so easy to have this like

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<v Speaker 3>list of ambitions, like you know, I want to excize

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<v Speaker 3>more and eat better and save more money and yell

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<v Speaker 3>at my kids less. So like there's all these like

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful ambitions, great goals. But one of the most common

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<v Speaker 3>reasons why we fall off the wagon is because we

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<v Speaker 3>try to do too many things at once, and changing

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<v Speaker 3>our habits is all about consistency, not intensity. And so

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<v Speaker 3>when you're trying to do too many things. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>get the consistency in there because it's impossible to do

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<v Speaker 3>that many things in one day all the time, and

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<v Speaker 3>so you lose use the momentum and the consistency of

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<v Speaker 3>some of the habits, and then when we're falling off

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<v Speaker 3>the wagon, we feel like we're failures and it's really

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<v Speaker 3>icky cycle. So just focus on one thing at a time,

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<v Speaker 3>write it down and just focus on that, and then

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<v Speaker 3>use a habit tracker every single time you do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Give yourself a little tick on a habit tracker, just

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<v Speaker 3>like you would give a child a tick for or

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<v Speaker 3>like a gold star for doing their chores. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>grow out of that reward learning as adults. So that

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<v Speaker 3>little tick gives you a nice head of dopamine. It

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<v Speaker 3>feels great, and it makes you want to do it again.

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<v Speaker 3>What's a habit tracker? So habit tracker is essentially like

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<v Speaker 3>think of a diary and it's like a grid and

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<v Speaker 3>essent to you just write down what the habit is

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<v Speaker 3>that you want to create or do, and you give

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<v Speaker 3>yourself a tick on every day of the calendar month

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<v Speaker 3>or year or week that you actually do the habit.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's just like a little like check, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>did it. And you use paper based ones, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>app based ones. I've got a whole list of all

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<v Speaker 3>the app one of the blogs on my website.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I might get you to pop that link.

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<v Speaker 1>You send me that link, and I'll pop that habit

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<v Speaker 1>tracker link in the show notes if anyone wants a

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<v Speaker 1>fun little app. Because I do agree with you these

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<v Speaker 1>elements of positive reinforcement can make a difference. And do

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<v Speaker 1>you believe in setting a weekly intention, like at the

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<v Speaker 1>start of the week, kind of sitting down and really

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<v Speaker 1>particularly with the new habit, the habit you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make or the habit you're trying to break, consciously going okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this week, I'm going to put my sneakers on three

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<v Speaker 1>mornings a week or something like that. Yeah, and look

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<v Speaker 1>and might that intention might be the same week and

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<v Speaker 1>week out. It's not necessarily have you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>make it bigger and better every time, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>about being conscious about it and aware of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you have to stick your habit tracker, you know, on.

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<v Speaker 3>Your fridge, or put it the app on the first

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<v Speaker 3>page of your phone, if that's where you're going, If

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<v Speaker 3>you can use a digital version. Yeah, you need to

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<v Speaker 3>be aware of but because at the start creating any

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<v Speaker 3>new habit, sometimes we forget, We just like get, we

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<v Speaker 3>just do what we've always done, and we forget to

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<v Speaker 3>do the thing that we actually said we would do.

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<v Speaker 3>So those little reminders do help those little intentional moments.

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<v Speaker 3>But once it starts becoming more organic and more natural,

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<v Speaker 3>you probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't need to set the intention every week. Again, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've heard that a huge proportioning possibly even up

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<v Speaker 1>to forty or fifty percent of our daily habits are habitual.

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<v Speaker 1>And so once something shifts from that new into the

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<v Speaker 1>habitual category, that's when it becomes effortless or at least

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<v Speaker 1>not as effortful. So I imagine if you've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing now for a few weeks, hopefully that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of ticks the box of being Okay, well, now

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<v Speaker 1>this is a habit.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll move on to.

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<v Speaker 1>Something like For me, exercise totally easy. I wake up,

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<v Speaker 1>I exercise my five days a week, no problem. Adding

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<v Speaker 1>a yoga class on a Saturday that's totally new to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still getting my head around the yoga places I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to. Where's my yoga MAT's dusty in the garage.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still it requires the effort, But get me to

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<v Speaker 1>a five am CrossFit class and I'm there with bells on.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly it. And it's actually up to seventy percent

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<v Speaker 1>then what's the answer when we are in this busy

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<v Speaker 1>season of life and we do have a lot going on,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we navigate this tricky time of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make these healthy habits but they're not wanting to add

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<v Speaker 1>to the stress and the load of it all. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like such a delicate balance.

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<v Speaker 3>It definitely is. And you know, I actually say to people,

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<v Speaker 3>when you're really stressed, I don't think it's a very

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<v Speaker 3>good time to create new habits because those two parts

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<v Speaker 3>of our brain don't work at the same time, the

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<v Speaker 3>learning centers and the stress centers. They don't work simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you're really really stressed, your learning centers are

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<v Speaker 3>shut down. You are in survival mode. So if it's

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<v Speaker 3>more like an overwhelm or you feel stuck, exhausted, a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit behind, then I would say to just stop. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>just pause, do a cognitive offload, write down everything that's

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<v Speaker 3>taking up mental space, and then ask yourself, what's the

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<v Speaker 3>one health behavior that we have the biggest ripple effect

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<v Speaker 3>on everything else. Usually it's going to be sleep. I

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<v Speaker 3>was just.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking that, and interestingly, it's what I have been struggling

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<v Speaker 1>with that just this last week because hab he's been away,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been having to go to bed a lot later,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, is it any coincidence that my sleep

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<v Speaker 1>has not been good and therefore, yeah, my care factor disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not coincidence at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean when you don't sep well, I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>nothing goes well. Yeah, Like we just can't emotionally regulate

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<v Speaker 3>as well. We're craving foods that we don't normally crave.

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<v Speaker 3>We're less active, We're literally like our body will be less.

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<v Speaker 3>We just want to sit down more because we're just

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<v Speaker 3>more tired. We just get less shits about anything. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>We're just like just like just getting through it. So

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<v Speaker 3>I would definitely, I've been sleep is like the most

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<v Speaker 3>underrated health habit ever. But I would just pick You'd

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<v Speaker 3>pick that one thing, not a whole program and not

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<v Speaker 3>a big plan, just one thing, and that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be your entry point back into that looking after yourself again.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're feeling a little bit strung out like

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<v Speaker 1>I am at the moment, then, is what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Sleep's a great place to start because if you take

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<v Speaker 1>that little bit of cognitive effort and organization to go

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<v Speaker 1>to bed earlier, for example, that for me is my

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<v Speaker 1>fix when it comes to sleep, that will hopefully then

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<v Speaker 1>have a ripple effect once I've slept well for a

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<v Speaker 1>few nights to then give me the motivation and the

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<v Speaker 1>energy to maybe make some other changes or at least

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<v Speaker 1>not feel so overwhelmed you feel like that's the best

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<v Speaker 1>bang for buck exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly it. It has got such a nice ripple effect,

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<v Speaker 3>and it happens organically, you don't have to force it.

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<v Speaker 1>And just circling back to that tiny habits approach that

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about. The example you gave was just putting

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<v Speaker 1>your active where on, just putting your sneakers on and

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<v Speaker 1>seeing where that goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Can it also play out across the week.

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<v Speaker 1>So, for example, say someone's trying to eat less sugar

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<v Speaker 1>or trying to prevent that after dinner snacking, and the

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<v Speaker 1>thought of doing that forever every single night just feels

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<v Speaker 1>like it's too much. Would a tiny method of that

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<v Speaker 1>be I'm just going to do it on a Monday

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<v Speaker 1>and Tuesday night.

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<v Speaker 3>Alcohol is another example.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just not going to drink on a Monday and

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<v Speaker 1>a Tuesday night for someone that drinks seven nights a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that another example of kind of bringing these habits

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<v Speaker 1>down to their simplest forms.

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<v Speaker 3>Spot on. Yeah, it could be reducing the frequency that

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<v Speaker 3>you do it. It could be the intensity. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to drink less each night, or I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>drink less on these two nights. It's really just about

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<v Speaker 3>doing a tiny bit less of the habit you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to do, or a tiny bit more of the

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<v Speaker 3>habit that you do want to do. Rather than looking

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<v Speaker 3>at overhauling you know, your whole life, well, the whole

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<v Speaker 3>habit itself. It's just about these subtle, little shifts that

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<v Speaker 3>are just gentle. They don't feel like they're doing much,

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<v Speaker 3>but they really are. They are telling your brain I'm

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<v Speaker 3>someone who shows up, who can look after myself, who

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<v Speaker 3>does the things that I say that I will do,

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<v Speaker 3>And that sense of the change of identity is really powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so good to hear you say this because I think,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly with our diet and eating, there is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of all or nothing mentality going on, where it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on the diet, I'm on this eating pattern, and

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<v Speaker 1>everything is going to change my breakfast, my lunch, my dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>the foods I choose, the foods I don't, which when

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<v Speaker 1>you think about how many food choices we make in

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<v Speaker 1>a day, it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's over two hundred over.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hundred food choices in a day. But for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of us, eighty to ninety percent of our eating

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<v Speaker 1>is probably pretty good. There might just be that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, it was always the after dinner. The sweet

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<v Speaker 1>treats after dinner just had such a hold over me

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<v Speaker 1>up until about a year ago, and so that was

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<v Speaker 1>my point and area that I really needed to focus on.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything else seemed to be fine. So is that another

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<v Speaker 1>example of really whittling it down to that one part

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<v Speaker 1>of your diet for example?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly? Yeah, it's just one thing. Like instead of saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to like cook every night, it might just

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<v Speaker 3>be I'm going to choose one healthy swap or I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to drink one extra glass of water today. It's

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<v Speaker 3>the time I'm going to add greens to my dinner

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<v Speaker 3>on one night this week, or however much feels achievable

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<v Speaker 3>to you. And every person's starting point is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be different because all of our capacities are different, and

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<v Speaker 3>also within each person, our capacity changes week to week,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I think creating dynamic goals is really important.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, yeah, I want to do this, but like

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<v Speaker 3>for you Amelia, for example, your husband's away for a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks, your capacity is going to be less

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment, and so your goals may change throughout

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<v Speaker 3>that time, Like, yes, I really wanted to go to yoga,

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<v Speaker 3>but man, I think I just needed to rest. Even

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<v Speaker 3>though I had the time, I obviously didn't really have

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<v Speaker 3>the capacity. So it's just moving things around and always

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<v Speaker 3>leading with compassion.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's such a good point, and I actually want

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<v Speaker 1>to get you on another episode if that's okay, to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the shame spiral, because it is definitely something

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<v Speaker 1>that I see a lot of women go through and

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<v Speaker 1>I experience it myself. I wanted to ask you about

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<v Speaker 1>the all or nothing mentality that so many of us have,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly if we're a bit of a perfectionist. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you suggest we tackled in a voice that says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if I can't do it properly. If I can't go

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<v Speaker 1>and do the whole yoga class or the whole workout,

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<v Speaker 1>then what's the point in putting my shoes on in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place?

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<v Speaker 2>Why even bother? If I'm not going to do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Really well, what do you say to an all or

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<v Speaker 1>nothing mentality like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Oh, man, I recognized that voice all too well

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<v Speaker 3>because I was a chronic all or nothing person. Really, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>big time in all.

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<v Speaker 1>Areas of your life, or you like a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a high achiever, a bit of a perfectionist.

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<v Speaker 3>Many died in exercise.

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<v Speaker 1>Died an exercise, okay, didn't exercise?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it like died a specifically? I would like when

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<v Speaker 3>I was younger, and I was I was twenty kilos

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<v Speaker 3>heavier than I am now, and I would like write

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<v Speaker 3>myself this meal plan. I was a dietitian before I

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<v Speaker 3>studied habit I saw that. I was like, yes, she's

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<v Speaker 3>perfect for this episode. Oh awesome, And you know, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>write myself a meal plan. And if I even had

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<v Speaker 3>like an apple that wasn't on the meal plan, it

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<v Speaker 3>would be like right ruin the day maize or bingee

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<v Speaker 3>emotionally eat the rest of the day and I'll start tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 3>or sometimes I'll be like I'll start on Monday and

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<v Speaker 3>then ruin the entire week, which is just outrageous. Think

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<v Speaker 3>it's really important to recognize it as cognitive distortion. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not truth that all nothing voice is essentially trying to

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<v Speaker 3>protect you from failure by keeping you from trying. But

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<v Speaker 3>the research shows that any dose of a healthy behavior

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<v Speaker 3>is better than none. You know, like a ten minute

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<v Speaker 3>walk is still good for your heart, a healthy meal

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<v Speaker 3>still matters. So we reframe the question from did I

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<v Speaker 3>do it perfectly? To did I do something? Something is

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<v Speaker 3>all always better than nothing every single time, and making

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<v Speaker 3>that the goal that I showed up, that I took

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<v Speaker 3>the first step, that I did something different, because that's

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<v Speaker 3>still pretty hard to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, and don't think as well, if you

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<v Speaker 1>look backwards on your progression and the achievements you've made historically,

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<v Speaker 1>you look back.

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<v Speaker 3>And go, I have made some progress. I mean, look

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<v Speaker 3>at you.

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<v Speaker 1>You you know, your twenty kilos lighter compared to back then.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me, I look at my habits now compared

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<v Speaker 1>to even eighteen months ago, and they're so much healthier

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<v Speaker 1>than they were.

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<v Speaker 3>I find that retrospectively going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I am like those those habits that didn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot. Now I've been doing them for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>they are really paying off.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean you mentioned before that you'll get

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<v Speaker 3>up exercise easy, like it's just something that you do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure your life wasn't always like that. It's something

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<v Speaker 3>that you created intentionally, and now it's just like part

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<v Speaker 3>of who you are and what you do. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>exactly the same with me. I live a lifestyle now

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<v Speaker 3>that maintains these healthy habits, and I don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>grind through it anymore. It's just something that I do

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<v Speaker 3>because of consistency and not because of all or nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not about intensity ever, It's just about showing up gently.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you were my habit change coach and I

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<v Speaker 1>came to you and said, you know, I had these

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<v Speaker 1>great intentions and then I had this weekend that I

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<v Speaker 1>just had and completely fell off the wagon or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it might they, how would you kind of coach me

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<v Speaker 1>through that and get me, I guess, back on track

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<v Speaker 1>and also prevent something like that happening again.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, firstly, I'd remind you that setbacks are part of

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<v Speaker 3>the process. It's not if you fall off the wagon,

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<v Speaker 3>it's when you fall off the wagon. It's inevitable. And

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<v Speaker 3>it took me a long time to really get in

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<v Speaker 3>my head because I'm like, no setbacks are optional, Like

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<v Speaker 3>we make the choice not to do the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>we said that we would do. But also life be lifing,

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<v Speaker 3>Like sometimes life just happens, right, and you have a

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<v Speaker 3>Saturday afternoon when you're free and you don't go to yoga,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's just what happens. Sometimes it's all about viewing

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<v Speaker 3>those setbacks as data, as stepping stones, Like I think

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<v Speaker 3>of Thomas Edison right, who invented the light bulb. Homeboy

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<v Speaker 3>took a thousand attempts at creating the light bulb. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of failures, but he so famously said to

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<v Speaker 3>a journalist who asked him how to feel, he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't fail a thousand times. The light bulb is

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<v Speaker 3>just an invention with a thousand steps. And that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of mentality is everything, because the most successful people in

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<v Speaker 3>the world also fall off the wagon on their habits.

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<v Speaker 3>We might not see it, but I could guarantee you

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent that they do. The difference between the

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<v Speaker 3>people that succeed and the people that don't. Is that

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<v Speaker 3>the people that succeed know how to get up after

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<v Speaker 3>a setback and have that, you know, Thomas Edison mentality

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<v Speaker 3>of I'm going to try again. I just go again.

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<v Speaker 3>I just get up and I keep going. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>all about how quickly you get up and not letting

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<v Speaker 3>yourself fall. Like when you fall, it's not a complete relapse,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just data. You just have a bit of compassion

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<v Speaker 3>and you'd start again. So that's what I would say

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<v Speaker 3>to you, like, I hope you had a great weekend,

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<v Speaker 3>now let's begin again. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, coupled with the reframe of it being

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<v Speaker 1>related to a stressor, that this overwhelm is like a

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<v Speaker 1>stressor as you mentioned at the start, rather than you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just a moment of lack of willpower or laziness or

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<v Speaker 1>all those other words that we tend to throw around

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<v Speaker 1>in our inner voice. I really see that as a

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<v Speaker 1>big step in compassion, which I think so many of

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<v Speaker 1>us really really need.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, agreed, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Gina, For a woman listening today who is feeling overwhelmed,

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<v Speaker 1>she's feeling defeated, and she wants to start again, what

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<v Speaker 1>is the one thing that she could do this week,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not next month, this week to help regain

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<v Speaker 1>her momentum again.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say to pick one habit, just one, and

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<v Speaker 3>make it so small almost feel silly, and then do

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<v Speaker 3>it every day for at least a week, so seven days.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't add anything, don't optimize it, you don't try to

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<v Speaker 3>improve it. The idea is just to prove to yourself

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<v Speaker 3>that you can show up consistently, because what overwhelm steals

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<v Speaker 3>most is your belief in yourself. And the only way

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<v Speaker 3>to get back is through small, repeated evidence that you

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<v Speaker 3>do follow through. So just one week, one habit, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's it, Doctor Gina.

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<v Speaker 1>I just love your simplistic method because it just feels

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<v Speaker 1>so achievable and so doable. I'm like, yes, I can

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I can do this one small thing. Thank

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