Speaker 1: On scorn leaves Austrodia. This is the Reader Panalty Show.
Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panicky Show. I'm
Speaker 2: Denika di Giorgio filling in Coming up tonight. A Chinese
Speaker 2: spy group found to have infiltrated the public and private
Speaker 2: sector has been named and shamed. The always brilliant Douglas
Speaker 2: Murray weighs in on Joe Biden's ongoing cognitive spiral.
Speaker 3: France in crisis as the far left takes over.
Speaker 2: Ralph Scholhammer will join us all the latest celebrity in
Speaker 2: Royal News with d D Dunlevy and of course Left
Speaker 2: He's losing it featuring the masculinity Retreat when men pay
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars to float at a pool and cry
Speaker 2: with Joe joinny me Now is Deputy Executive director of
Speaker 2: the Institute of Public Affairs.
Speaker 4: Daniel Wilde, Daniel, good to see you.
Speaker 2: Let's start with the National Disability Insurance Scheme.
Speaker 4: We know it's in a mess. It's costing taxpayers a bomb.
Speaker 2: It already costs more than Medicare and will soon outstrip Defense.
Speaker 2: Now sex work services on the NDIS are back in
Speaker 2: the spotlight. The Guardian is today asking is it a
Speaker 2: real issue or just a red herring. So, Daniel, I'll
Speaker 2: ask you, courtesy of the Guardian's journalism sex worker is
Speaker 2: a real issue or a red herring when it comes
Speaker 2: to the NDIS, Well, it is a real issue.
Speaker 5: We've seen a lot of routing behavior, inappropriate service provider
Speaker 5: behavior that's been taking place, and I think that it's
Speaker 5: good that they're addressed, or I know the government seeking
Speaker 5: to address some of those issues. I think it gets
Speaker 5: to a bigger issue, which is that, of course we
Speaker 5: want the NDIS to work. We want Australians who have
Speaker 5: a disability to be taken care of. But all too
Speaker 5: often the NDIS seems to be serving the interest the
Speaker 5: bureaucracy and of the service providers rather than those who
Speaker 5: really need access to the services. And of course taxpayers
Speaker 5: are being fleeced on the way through. The issue you've
Speaker 5: got here, Deniker, is that the government has said, under
Speaker 5: the best case scenario, they want to limit the growth
Speaker 5: of the NDIS to eight percent per year. Well, the
Speaker 5: economy is growing at four percent in nominal terms, so
Speaker 5: you've got NDIS that's going to be at least growing
Speaker 5: at double the raiders the entire economy, So we need
Speaker 5: structural reform to make sure it's sustainable, not just tinkering
Speaker 5: around the edges.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and let's not forget the ndis a very important scheme,
Speaker 2: but it was only designed for the most severely disabled.
Speaker 4: Now you've got.
Speaker 2: Every man and their dog trying to get a slice
Speaker 2: of the pie and it is simply not working. So
Speaker 2: certainly these reforms are needed now. A Chinese cyber espionage group,
Speaker 2: which has already infiltrated public and private sector networks in Australia, has.
Speaker 4: Been named as APT forty.
Speaker 2: The Australian Signals Director and says the group has waged
Speaker 2: a years long hacking campaign on behalf of China's Ministry
Speaker 2: of State Security.
Speaker 4: Daniel, I've got to ask.
Speaker 2: Because, as you know, Australia just rolled out the red
Speaker 2: carpet for the Chinese premiere Labor has today chosen to
Speaker 2: name and.
Speaker 4: Shame this group.
Speaker 2: But I wonder did Albo even raise this with Premier
Speaker 2: Lee last month?
Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't bank on it. And you know, here
Speaker 1: we go again.
Speaker 5: This is not the first time this kind of behavior
Speaker 5: has taken place. Of course, there's an important trading relationship
Speaker 5: with China. We want that to be maintained, but we
Speaker 5: also need to be aware that, you know, China has
Speaker 5: a really the Chinese Communist Party, not so much the
Speaker 5: Chinese people, but the Chinese Communist Party that run the
Speaker 5: country have a pattern of repeated behavior. They have very
Speaker 5: ambitious and expansionist geopolitical intentions. We know that with the
Speaker 5: One Belt, One Road, the Made in China twenty twenty
Speaker 5: five around advanced technology, and all you have to do
Speaker 5: is look at policies like net zero. Net zero will
Speaker 5: be a boon for China because they are the world's
Speaker 5: main manufacturer of solar panels, wind turbines and processing of
Speaker 5: the critical minerals, but its countries like Australia that lose out.
Speaker 5: So we need our political leaders to be aware that
Speaker 5: China is seeking to reorientate the global economic supply chains
Speaker 5: around it, and we see this sort of espionage behavior
Speaker 5: as a part of a much broader agenda. We've also
Speaker 5: seen it with the Confucian centers at Australian universities, which
Speaker 5: were hugely concerning. So I'm not too sure whether our
Speaker 5: leaders are taking this with the seriousness that it deserves, and.
Speaker 2: It certainly needs to be taken very seriously.
Speaker 4: Now I have a listen to this.
Speaker 2: Channel seven has confirmed a controversial change to its TV
Speaker 2: news bulletins that will feature would you believe an astrology
Speaker 2: report from astro Tash Now, this is a twenty second
Speaker 2: astrology report after the weather on the six pm bulletin,
Speaker 2: along with a weekly comedy skit on Fridays by comedian
Speaker 2: Mark Humphreys Daniel. Look, hopefully the astrology report will predict
Speaker 2: how long seven has left before the lights go out
Speaker 2: on these ridiculous segments.
Speaker 5: They need more stars at Channel seven. But I'm not
Speaker 5: sure this is what viewers really had in mind. But
Speaker 5: I'd say, look, this is the dumbing down of the
Speaker 5: news and the dumbing down of mainstream media that we're
Speaker 5: seeing across network television. For many years, you know, the
Speaker 5: six o'clock news, not necessarily just a Channel seven, but
Speaker 5: across the board used to be mandatory viewing for Australians.
Speaker 5: It was informed and Australians are hungry for proper information,
Speaker 5: for debate, for serious content. We saw that with the
Speaker 5: Voice to Parliament debate last year that Australians wanted to
Speaker 5: be involved, They wanted to learn about it. So look,
Speaker 5: I just think this is an example of why many Australians,
Speaker 5: and indeed many people around the world, are starting to
Speaker 5: get their news from other platforms, including on social media,
Speaker 5: because you know, if this is what you're getting from
Speaker 5: the network television, then it's no wonder that people are
Speaker 5: sort of reconsidering their options.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can absolutely say why. I look forward to
Speaker 4: seeing how this one goes.
Speaker 2: Now, more than two three hundred people sought asylum in
Speaker 2: Australia after arriving by from relatively stable countries. The Daily
Speaker 2: Telegraph reports it's the highest of any month since the
Speaker 2: Albanese government came to power. Daniel, I've got to say
Speaker 2: the ghosts of the Rudd Gillard Rudd years are circling
Speaker 2: this current labor government. It really feels like we're back
Speaker 2: open for business again.
Speaker 5: It does, and I think since day one of this
Speaker 5: government there's been a failure on our migration policy. We've
Speaker 5: seen the criminal detainees, we've seen the boat arrivals and
Speaker 5: so on, but also just the size of the legal
Speaker 5: program and we've had over a million net arrivals over
Speaker 5: the last two financial years, by far the biggest surge
Speaker 5: to our population in our nation's history. There's been no
Speaker 5: planning for this whatsoever. With schools, roads, hospitals, housing, there's
Speaker 5: a housing shortage and crisis with rent and affordability of purchasing.
Speaker 5: We know that it's not working. Economically. Per capita growth
Speaker 5: is going backwards. You know, we've had five consecutive cord
Speaker 5: of negative per cape economic growth. That's the first time
Speaker 5: that's happened on record, and those records go back to
Speaker 5: the early nineteen seventies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not working, and I think migration is now
Speaker 3: an acute vote driving issue.
Speaker 2: Daniel Wilde, thank you so much for joining us, joining
Speaker 2: me now. Is author of international best sellers, including The
Speaker 2: Strange Death of Europe, The Madness of Crowds, and his latest.
Speaker 4: Book, The War on the West.
Speaker 2: Douglas Murray Douglas, thanks for joining us. Let's start with
Speaker 2: the situation with Joe Biden, whose mental incompetence has become
Speaker 2: really the laughing stock of the world. Here is an
Speaker 2: exchange between Fox News reporter Peter Doucey at White House
Speaker 2: Press secretary at Karine Jean Pierre, where he asks a
Speaker 2: legitimate question about how the president, who needs more sleep,
Speaker 2: can't do anything after eight PM would handle a national
Speaker 2: security situation.
Speaker 1: He also said he sharp.
Speaker 6: Is before EPM that the Pentagon at some point picks
Speaker 6: up an incoming nuke.
Speaker 1: It's eleven pm. Who do you com't the first lady?
Speaker 6: He has a team that lets him know of any
Speaker 6: of any.
Speaker 7: News that is pertinent and important to the American people.
Speaker 7: He has someone or that is decided obviously with his
Speaker 7: National security council, and who gets to tell.
Speaker 4: Him that news?
Speaker 2: Douglas, The best she could say is, well, we've got
Speaker 2: a whole tame not we would wipe the president immediately in.
Speaker 4: The event of a nuke.
Speaker 2: Has this now gotten to the point where it's dangerous?
Speaker 8: It's long past that point. I'm afraid because the question
Speaker 8: that is on everybody's lips in America is who then
Speaker 8: is running the country? Who exactly is running it? Who's
Speaker 8: running it after four pm in the afternoon or whenever
Speaker 8: it is that we're told that Biden starts to wind
Speaker 8: down for the day. Are they confident about waking him
Speaker 8: in the night? Clearly not. Queen Jean Pierre behaves. What
Speaker 8: has ever, as if it's just impertinent to ask any
Speaker 8: question of the Sun King and his court, and it's
Speaker 8: very troubling. What the American public have seen growing for
Speaker 8: a long time, in which the Democrat media have had
Speaker 8: admit since the catastrophic debate with Trump the other week,
Speaker 8: is that that Biden is not on top of his game,
Speaker 8: to say the very least. And so where is the
Speaker 8: direction of the country, where is the security of the country,
Speaker 8: And all we get to these sort of miffed and
Speaker 8: peeved answers from the White House press spokeswoman, and really,
Speaker 8: you know that these are questions that should be asked,
Speaker 8: and that furthermore, there are questions should be answered.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And following the US presidential debate, it was interesting
Speaker 2: because you wrote you said, you don't think an American
Speaker 2: journalist meaning or would be sitting in a cell in
Speaker 2: Moscow or American hostages in Gaza if the word world
Speaker 2: feared America. Now the president of the free world is
Speaker 2: clearly a bumbling mess. Makes no sense not being taken
Speaker 2: seriously here.
Speaker 4: This is highly problematic. The world doesn't say the US
Speaker 4: is a genuine threat.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, you know, there's still plenty to be
Speaker 8: said about the US and plenty of force in it.
Speaker 8: It's just that the direction of travel under this president
Speaker 8: is so extraordinarily unclear.
Speaker 1: We've seen that.
Speaker 8: I know, we've all been told by the courtiers of
Speaker 8: the Biden family for years that he's absolutely on top
Speaker 8: of his game, that he absorbs things so fast, and
Speaker 8: he asks such devastatingly pertinent questions of the people briefing him.
Speaker 8: But nobody believes that anymore. And if the average swing
Speaker 8: voter finds that hard to believe and they're inclined to
Speaker 8: sort of favor the president of the United States, imagine
Speaker 8: what Vladimir Putin thinks, or the Mullers in Tehran who
Speaker 8: are guiding Hamaz, or the regime in Katar which hosts
Speaker 8: terrorists whilst pretending to play middleman. It's an extremely worrying situation.
Speaker 8: As I mentioned in that column in the New York Post. Yes,
Speaker 8: there are American hostages in Gaza in Moscow, and I
Speaker 8: don't think that would be the situation if the world
Speaker 8: recognized that the superpower America was something to be fearful of, you,
Speaker 8: that you cannot steal its citizens with impunity, and that
Speaker 8: lesson you know, I mean, it was recently said, you
Speaker 8: probably heard, it's been confirmed from other sources that on
Speaker 8: the way out of the White House when Trump was
Speaker 8: trying to negotiate the withdrawal from Afghanistan with the Taliban leaders.
Speaker 8: But apparently he said, you know, you're not going to
Speaker 8: touch a single hair on an American service person's head
Speaker 8: on the way out, or I'll kill you, And then
Speaker 8: just for emphasis, showed the Taliban leader that he had
Speaker 8: a photograph from the air of the Taliban leader's house. Now,
Speaker 8: I think that is is a suitable way for a
Speaker 8: strong power to defend its citizens, for democracy to defend
Speaker 8: its citizens. And you know, it's just night and day
Speaker 8: difference set and I'm afraid that Americans and the rest
Speaker 8: of the world are learning this.
Speaker 2: So just on that, then what should Trump do if
Speaker 2: he's reelected? What message does he need to be sending.
Speaker 8: Oh, I think on the hostages, the message is extremely clear.
Speaker 8: It's you will release the hostages on the first day
Speaker 8: of my presidency. You better keep them in the best
Speaker 8: possible condition until then, because if you don't, and you
Speaker 8: don't release them the day I come back into office,
Speaker 8: there isn't a tunnel or a bunker deep enough view
Speaker 8: to escape from me. That would be the message. And
Speaker 8: I think that I think that it would be heard.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now, look just on Joe Biden. He spoke at
Speaker 2: the NATO summit overnight. He started off with some strong
Speaker 2: words on the Ukraine war.
Speaker 9: And we know Puton won't stop at Ukraine. Would make
Speaker 9: no mistake, Ukraine can and will stop Putin.
Speaker 4: But then, true to form, he started stumbling.
Speaker 9: For five additionals to the DIGA defense system.
Speaker 2: I don't know what he said there, And then as
Speaker 2: he started walking off stage, she clearly had no idea
Speaker 2: where he was or who he was with. Douglas Sisters
Speaker 2: goes to the point that you were making earlier that
Speaker 2: he's not being taken seriously on the world stage. We're
Speaker 2: talking an important global event, the NATO summit, where the
Speaker 2: Ukraine War is being discussed, an important discussion, and get
Speaker 2: the president doesn't know where he is.
Speaker 4: He's becoming a joke.
Speaker 8: Well, we've had this week the news that he usually
Speaker 8: gets a briefing that includes I mean, this is horrible
Speaker 8: to say, it's so cruel, but he apparently gets these
Speaker 8: briefings where it shows photographs of how to get to
Speaker 8: the stage, where the podium is, where to walk on,
Speaker 8: where to walk off. You can't really pretend that this
Speaker 8: is a man at the height of his powers, or
Speaker 8: even with any real powers. It's very sad, and I
Speaker 8: think that, you know, the people who support the Democrats
Speaker 8: in America or would like to vote against Trump should
Speaker 8: just reflect on what their instinct is when they see
Speaker 8: something like that. Do they think this guy has got
Speaker 8: another four years in him or do they think as
Speaker 8: many of us do. This is cruel of Jill Biden
Speaker 8: and Hunter Biden and the rest of the family not
Speaker 8: to be saying to him, step down now, Joe, allow
Speaker 8: a new generation to come in, leave with some dignity,
Speaker 8: protect your legacy, and pass the baton on. It's cruel
Speaker 8: that they're not saying that. And there's going to be
Speaker 8: just more and more of this and just one other
Speaker 8: quick thing. You know, the job of the President of
Speaker 8: the United States is not just to occasionally read an
Speaker 8: auto Q in front of allies. It is much much
Speaker 8: more than that. It is directing policy, it is deciding policy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 8: He he does these speeches where he gets sort of angry.
Speaker 8: He can whip himself up into an anger still sometimes
Speaker 8: when reading the auto Q. But if if he meant
Speaker 8: what he just said about Ukraine, then then why has
Speaker 8: America not been providing Ukraine with all of the weaponry
Speaker 8: it's been asking for in this period, Whether you agree
Speaker 8: with it or not, Biden says, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 8: we're gonna stop Vladimir Putin, but then then doesn't act
Speaker 8: on it. I mean, I think there's these are the
Speaker 8: sort of it feels like a late Empire problem, and
Speaker 8: I hope it's not.
Speaker 4: Well, look, let's hope that it's not.
Speaker 2: And just just on that point, you know, he's got
Speaker 2: these big photos of how you need to walk from
Speaker 2: the stage to the podium. There's reports that White House
Speaker 2: advisors for more than a year have had to aggressively
Speaker 2: stage manage his schedule, his movements, his interactions. You know, Douglas,
Speaker 2: how long can the White House and Jill Biden, as
Speaker 2: you mentioned, the Biden family, how long can they really
Speaker 2: keep up this facade if he is to go another term.
Speaker 1: They can't.
Speaker 8: They can't. It's perfectly clear, and with every day they
Speaker 8: just can't keep it up. I mean, they will for
Speaker 8: a little time, but the longer they leave it, the
Speaker 8: more humiliating it's going to be for everybody, not least
Speaker 8: the America. The harder it'll be for the Democrats to
Speaker 8: find a candidate or a running mate, and a candidate
Speaker 8: who can be introduced to the American public in time
Speaker 8: for the polls in November. You know, the longer the
Speaker 8: Bidens leave this, the worst it is for the Bidens,
Speaker 8: the worst it is for America, and the worst it
Speaker 8: is for their political party. You know, that's what makes
Speaker 8: no sense, when when your political opponents are running rings
Speaker 8: around you and ridiculing you, when your rivals on the
Speaker 8: world stage are mocking you, when your own side is saying,
Speaker 8: in the name of God, go and you cling on,
Speaker 8: there's something cruel about that. There's something very unusual about it.
Speaker 2: Certainly, well, you just would want to say a loved
Speaker 2: one in that position. It's just extraordinary that they're letting
Speaker 2: this go on for so long. Look, let's move on now,
Speaker 2: because three Columbia University deans have been removed from their
Speaker 2: positions and placed on indefinitely over text messages they sent
Speaker 2: during a panel about Jewish life on campus that quote
Speaker 2: disturbingly touched on ancient anti Semitic tropes. Now, Douglas, we
Speaker 2: know this university has failed on many fronts. That let
Speaker 2: pro Palestine protesters run rampant ad encampments. And now this
Speaker 2: what does it say about the state of the university system.
Speaker 8: Well, it says nobody should send their kids to Columbia,
Speaker 8: nobody should give any money to Columbia. Columbia should not
Speaker 8: have federal funding labor. Look, I mean, it's just a
Speaker 8: total mess. There's no reason. Whatever students think about international affairs,
Speaker 8: there is nothing that should allow them to shut down
Speaker 8: the study of other students on campus, prevent students from
Speaker 8: learning even as they're getting into significant personal debt. And
Speaker 8: what's more, to get away with screaming at Jewish students
Speaker 8: things like go back to Poland or saying these Jewish
Speaker 8: students should be the next targets of Hamaz, both of
Speaker 8: which were things that were screamed at Jewish students on
Speaker 8: the Columbia campus. Then for them to be a hearing
Speaker 8: about those sorts of racist slurs, and for these dems
Speaker 8: to be actually engaging in more racism during it, you
Speaker 8: just have to do the experiment any other way. If
Speaker 8: there had been an anti black protest on campus at
Speaker 8: Columbia for an hour, it would have been shut down.
Speaker 8: It would not have been allowed. If there was a
Speaker 8: protest on Columbia's campus that went on for weeks and
Speaker 8: weeks calling for the lynching of black people. I don't
Speaker 8: think that it would be difficult for everyone in American
Speaker 8: society and particularly the faculty, to condemn any students and
Speaker 8: outside is engaging in that. And what's more, if there
Speaker 8: was a hearing about that and there were racial slurs
Speaker 8: being hurled around about black students by deans and employees
Speaker 8: of the university, all hell would be let loose. In fact,
Speaker 8: I suspect that the campus would be over. I suspect
Speaker 8: that Columbia's storied and rich history would come to an
Speaker 8: end that day. But it wasn't black students, it was Jews.
Speaker 8: And this just shows one of the appalling standards of
Speaker 8: our time. Columbia students have been let down by their authorities,
Speaker 8: but this is a spiral that that institution is in.
Speaker 8: These are always elite things when you're talking about sort
Speaker 8: of Ivy League colleges, but this just shows how rotten
Speaker 8: elite institutions can become.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the double standards on display have just been astonishing,
Speaker 2: and not just at Columbia. We've seen it all around
Speaker 2: the world, even here in Australia.
Speaker 4: It's just been terrible at these universities.
Speaker 2: Now New York City hotels housing migrants have brought in
Speaker 2: would you believe, over a billion dollars in taxpayer funds
Speaker 2: since converting their buildings into migrant shelters. That's according to
Speaker 2: the New York Post Douglas, New York City is spending
Speaker 2: an average of one hundred and fifty six US.
Speaker 3: Dollars per room per night on hotel rooms that house migrants,
Speaker 3: some up to three hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: Where do you draw the line here? This is out
Speaker 4: of control.
Speaker 8: The whole thing's been out of con for a long time.
Speaker 8: Sanctuary cities in the US, I'm afraid reaping what they sowed.
Speaker 8: They said, you know, these are places where illegal migrants
Speaker 8: can come. And the illegal migrants came and there was
Speaker 8: nowhere for them. And so the authorities in New York
Speaker 8: have got into this racket. And by the way, it
Speaker 8: is a racket. The huge spending on hotels, I mean,
Speaker 8: it's apart from being preposterous, there are people who very
Speaker 8: cynically benefit from that, who have got into the business
Speaker 8: of this, and who are raking in the taxpayers' money
Speaker 8: as they put up all of these people who shouldn't
Speaker 8: be in the US. And I say that completely straightforward,
Speaker 8: because you know, everywhere in the twenty first century, migration
Speaker 8: is going to be an issue. Everywhere that is a
Speaker 8: developed country is going to be under pressure. In this century,
Speaker 8: the mass movement of people has never been easier. And
Speaker 8: unfortunately that very time time, countries like America have decided
Speaker 8: to punish people who go to the legal route and
Speaker 8: a reward people who've gone the illegal route. And if
Speaker 8: you're a legal worker in the United States, have gone
Speaker 8: through all the right things, paid your lawyers, got your
Speaker 8: papers in order, and all of that, you're the mug
Speaker 8: because it turned out you could just walk over the
Speaker 8: border and you could be put up in a three
Speaker 8: hundred dollars a night hotel with a swimming pool, which
Speaker 8: is not an exaggeration. In New York City, in the
Speaker 8: heart of Manhattan. Nobody has a right to live in Manhattan.
Speaker 8: Nobody has a right to live in the most expensive
Speaker 8: bit of real estate in the world. But why do
Speaker 8: so many Democrats think that if you come illegally, you
Speaker 8: actually do have that right. It's inexplicable, not least, but
Speaker 8: it undercuts their own voter base. They may think they're
Speaker 8: importing a new voter base. I've got news for them.
Speaker 8: It undercuts their own voter base because if you go
Speaker 8: to those hotels in New York City where the illegal
Speaker 8: migrants of being housed filled outside with delivery bicycles, because
Speaker 8: all of these guys, and they're mainly guys, do illegal
Speaker 8: work for delivery companies and totally destroy the legal workforce.
Speaker 8: So good luck the Worker's Party, who thought you were
Speaker 8: doing anything good for your country by actually just letting
Speaker 8: the borders go.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, there's a cost of living crisis in the United States.
Speaker 2: People can't even afford to be in a home. Yet
Speaker 2: the illegals get this handed on a silver platter. It's
Speaker 2: just shocking. Now, let's talk about the UK election result.
Speaker 2: You wrote about how the Tories only have themselves to
Speaker 2: blame for what occurred over the weekend.
Speaker 4: Where do you think it all went wrong for them?
Speaker 8: Around about two thousand and six, in my view, David
Speaker 8: Cameron announced that he was going to detoxify the Conservative Party.
Speaker 8: He just made it wooly and boke. All the promises
Speaker 8: that he made, such as they were. It was a
Speaker 8: lack lass of five years of a parliament where he
Speaker 8: had to be in government with the Liberal Democrats and
Speaker 8: Nick Quig remember him, Wow, what talent.
Speaker 1: And then we had the.
Speaker 8: Brexit years and the Tory in fighting and the stabbing
Speaker 8: in the back and prime minister after prime minister and
Speaker 8: deadlock in a total I mean, the way in which
Speaker 8: the Conservative Party seemed to think that the nation had
Speaker 8: an absolutely limitless appetite for Conservatives to have infighting in
Speaker 8: the party. It was just astonishing to me, and you know,
Speaker 8: we watched it happen. Couldn't believe the lack of discipline,
Speaker 8: couldn't believe the lack of delivery. David Cameron came in
Speaker 8: in twenty ten promising to lower migration from the hundreds
Speaker 8: of thousands a year to the tens of thousands like
Speaker 8: in the nineteen nineties before Blair. They leave office with
Speaker 8: migrat net migration nearer one million in a year. They
Speaker 8: let down everyone. They've got very little to show for
Speaker 8: their time in office. They were there for fourteen years
Speaker 8: and what few things they did achieve are all now
Speaker 8: going to be wiped away by the historic label landslide
Speaker 8: of Kirstarmer, a man who absolutely nobody is enthusiastic about
Speaker 8: it's not that Britain swung left. It didn't. It just
Speaker 8: voted against the Conservative Party. And maybe they will use
Speaker 8: their time in opposition to try to cohere, actually be conservative,
Speaker 8: actually come up with some policies that differentiate themselves from
Speaker 8: the other parties.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe they won't.
Speaker 8: Maybe they will just disappear into history. That can happen.
Speaker 8: There is no law of nature that means that the
Speaker 8: Conservative Party should never die. Maybe it will, we'll see.
Speaker 4: We'll find out. Now.
Speaker 2: Nigel Farage has given his first ever speech in the
Speaker 2: Commons as Leader of Reform UK.
Speaker 4: This is what he said.
Speaker 1: We are the new on the block.
Speaker 10: We have no experience in this Parliament whatsoever, even though
Speaker 10: some of us have tried many times over the years
Speaker 10: previously to get here. So we can't judge you from
Speaker 10: working in this place, but we can judge you from
Speaker 10: the way the outside world sees you. And I know
Speaker 10: it just mean the United Kingdom, I mean the world
Speaker 10: because Prime Minister's questions time is global box office politics.
Speaker 4: Douglas.
Speaker 2: He's got them all rattled already and he's only just begun.
Speaker 2: And what sort of a force do you think Nigel
Speaker 2: Farage will be in UK?
Speaker 4: Parliament.
Speaker 8: It's gonna be very interesting. I mean, I've got you
Speaker 8: what a frosty reception he got there. There weren't very
Speaker 8: many convivial, comrade ly jeers were there. I suspect he will,
Speaker 8: and if he's wise, he will use the opportunity as
Speaker 8: a really remarkable platform. There are lots of things that
Speaker 8: can happen from here. For Farage and the other reform MPs,
Speaker 8: they could be a sort of nuisance block. They could
Speaker 8: make noise, use it as a platform like Rice very
Speaker 8: cleverly did the EU Parliament to effectively broadcast to a
Speaker 8: wider audience.
Speaker 1: Or they could use it to.
Speaker 8: Coalition build, to friend build. They could do an awful
Speaker 8: lot of things. They can cause trouble, but they can
Speaker 8: do lots more than cause trouble as well. The problem
Speaker 8: is that the size of the Labor majority as such
Speaker 8: that I suspect that in the coming years the main
Speaker 8: opposition to the Labor front bench will be the backbenches
Speaker 8: of the Labor Party, because everyone else has very little
Speaker 8: voting sway in them.
Speaker 2: And that's a really fair point.
Speaker 4: Douglas.
Speaker 2: Before we let you go, I just want to ask
Speaker 2: you about the situation in France.
Speaker 4: Where riots and violence.
Speaker 2: Have erupted after the left defeated the far right and
Speaker 2: an unexpected victory.
Speaker 4: Now this is on the streets of Paris.
Speaker 2: Shopping scenes, and we also saw the far left clash
Speaker 2: with police as they celebrated the victory. Douglas, you know,
Speaker 2: the far left are just as dangerous, if not more dangerous,
Speaker 2: than the fringe right. But what does it tell you
Speaker 2: when you say these scenes unfolding right now?
Speaker 8: We know it's the fault of Macron for his hubris.
Speaker 8: Paris is about to host the Olympics. What a sign
Speaker 8: to the world. I mean they were already serious security
Speaker 8: concerns about the Paris Olympics before this election season began.
Speaker 8: But look at this. The world's eyes are going to
Speaker 8: be on Paris and we see this a city where,
Speaker 8: in order to keep out Marine Le penn they decided
Speaker 8: the center and the center left decided to unite in
Speaker 8: voting in the melanchonists who have at the top of
Speaker 8: their list people are supporters of Hamaz. I mean there's
Speaker 8: more anti semitism and racism from them far left in
Speaker 8: France now than there is from the from the parties
Speaker 8: that are called far right, and they get away with it,
Speaker 8: and they riot on the streets and they break stuff up.
Speaker 8: And you know, my belief is that political extremism can
Speaker 8: come from any direction. The French seem to have forgotten this.
Speaker 8: They seem to think the far left, you know, can
Speaker 8: be regarded as a benign force.
Speaker 1: It can't be.
Speaker 8: Macron has unleashed terrible forces. And it's astonishing for a
Speaker 8: man who came glided into office on his alleged ability
Speaker 8: to sort of bring people together, it's amazing what we
Speaker 8: see at the end of his career.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good point, and you're right.
Speaker 2: What a way to welcome the worldwide athletes as well
Speaker 2: as the tourists right now to Paris and France. Douglas
Speaker 2: Murray really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: joining us. Still to come Lefties Losing It featuring a
Speaker 2: self help retreat for toxic males, and we're cross to
Speaker 2: Europe where France descends into chaos as the far left takeover.
Speaker 4: Now it's time for lefties losing it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Self help trends just keep getting more bizarre and quite frankly,
Speaker 2: are getting more concerning. Check out this so called masculinity
Speaker 2: retreat where men fork out ten thousand dollars to float
Speaker 2: around in a pool.
Speaker 4: Hung each other and cry, do.
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Speaker 2: Now that Ladies and Gentlemen is actual vision of Democrat
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Speaker 4: To change the nominee.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile in Bali, where white rich women filmed themselves screaming
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Speaker 12: The name of spiritual self discovery.
Speaker 2: You know I've seen something like that before in a movie.
Speaker 2: It's called The Exorcist. Now, lefty activists are always coming
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Speaker 4: You have the tools for doing.
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Speaker 4: Been and Jerry's giving some mug.
Speaker 2: I think the only change needed is sending these lunatics
Speaker 2: out of business. Now here's a surefire way to ensure
Speaker 2: Joe Biden loses in November. Enter Congresswoman Alexandria Occasio Cortez.
Speaker 13: I have spoken to the President of the weekend. I
Speaker 13: have spoken with him extensively. He made clear then and
Speaker 13: he has made clear since that he is in this race.
Speaker 13: The matter is closed. He had reiterated that this morning.
Speaker 13: He has reiterated that to the public, Joe Biden is
Speaker 13: our nominee.
Speaker 4: He is not living well. That settles it.
Speaker 2: Then it's over for Joe, especially when you have AOC backing.
Speaker 2: You remember this rally a few weeks ago. Yes, her
Speaker 2: brain capacity is genuinely at the same low level as
Speaker 2: Joe Biden's, and the left wing media, who were finally
Speaker 2: realized the president is indeed mentally incompetent, have been plunged
Speaker 2: into a state of panic. It's only taken them four years,
Speaker 2: but they now know he is a potato, and so
Speaker 2: suddenly the race is on to trundle out doctors left,
Speaker 2: right and center to make urgent medical diagnoses.
Speaker 14: There was cause for concern stumbling of speech, sort of confused,
Speaker 14: rambling at times, and they're also motor symptoms, you know,
Speaker 14: lack of expression in the face if you take a look,
Speaker 14: slow response time. I think we saw that, you know,
Speaker 14: sort of in a sustained fashion, definitive word retrieval mix ups,
Speaker 14: rambling sometimes confused speech, reduced voice volume as well, and
Speaker 14: reduced facial movements.
Speaker 1: Because he has just a classic feature of nerd degeneration.
Speaker 4: I mean word finding difficulties.
Speaker 1: And that's not oh I couldn't find the word.
Speaker 14: That's from degeneration of the word retrieval area.
Speaker 2: Good to say that, I've only just realized he has
Speaker 2: the cognitive ability of a pee.
Speaker 4: They never learned, do they. Well.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has fired up the troops at a campaign
Speaker 2: rally in Florida. Not even a humid summer evening could
Speaker 2: stop the thousands from attending, many wearing T shirts with
Speaker 2: his mugshot on it. Now you'll recall this golf handicap
Speaker 2: exchange during the presidential debate.
Speaker 4: Can't hit a boll fifty years, She challenged me to
Speaker 4: a golf match.
Speaker 1: He can't hit about fifty years.
Speaker 9: Look, I'd be happy to have a driving contest now, im.
Speaker 9: I got my handicap, which when I was Vice president
Speaker 9: down to a six. And by by the way I
Speaker 9: told me before, I'm happy to play golf. If you
Speaker 9: carry on bag, think you can do it.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest way that he's a six handicap of all.
Speaker 9: I was an eight handicap now.
Speaker 1: But I've seen your swing.
Speaker 3: I know you sing.
Speaker 1: Let's not act like children.
Speaker 2: Specific well, Donald Trump says it's on challenging Joe Biden
Speaker 2: to an eighteen hole golf match.
Speaker 15: I'm also officially challenging Crooked Joe to an eighteen hole
Speaker 15: golf match right here.
Speaker 1: Under Ow's Blue Monster.
Speaker 15: Considered one of the greatest tournament golf courses anywhere in
Speaker 15: the world, one of the great courses of the world.
Speaker 15: It will be among the most watched sporting events in history,
Speaker 15: maybe bigger than the Ryder Cup or even the Masters.
Speaker 4: And I will even give Joe Biden.
Speaker 15: Ten strokes aside ten strokes that's a lot.
Speaker 1: That means twenty strokes. In case you don't play golf.
Speaker 2: Joining me is Webster University Assistant Professor Ralph Scholhammer.
Speaker 4: Ralph, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump says if he loses, he will donate one
Speaker 2: million dollars to a charity of Joe Biden's choice. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure Joe Biden would even be able
Speaker 2: to stand up long enough to make it.
Speaker 4: To the first hole.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what about you, but I would
Speaker 2: pay money to watch the president try and swing at
Speaker 2: golf club.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks, Donik, it's great to be on with you. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess I would pay money too.
Speaker 6: But I remember, I think last summer we all thought
Speaker 6: Joe Biden are trying to ride a bike and that
Speaker 6: didn't go particularly well. So at some point this is
Speaker 6: just elder abuse. So it's some fun trolling by Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: But if you look at the condition Joe Biden is in, right,
Speaker 6: you know, if stairs are your mortal enemy and bakes
Speaker 6: as well, maybe golf is no longer really your sport.
Speaker 2: No, I think you've absolutely raised a good point there, definitely, Ralph.
Speaker 2: Now look, let's talk about the situation in France, where
Speaker 2: of course riots and violence have erupted after the far
Speaker 2: left defeated the far right in an election.
Speaker 4: Shock, Ralph, what have the French actually voted for here?
Speaker 1: Well? Defeat it as a tricky term.
Speaker 6: No, you're correct when it comes to parliamentary seats that
Speaker 6: have been defeated. But if you look at the popular vote,
Speaker 6: the National Rally actually increased significantly. They got about ten million,
Speaker 6: whereas Macros's quote unquote centrist party because he's no longer
Speaker 6: a centrist. If you ally with the Islamists and the communists,
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, you're not a centrist.
Speaker 1: But he got about six million.
Speaker 6: And the New Popular Front, which is this alliance of
Speaker 6: traditional left wing us like the Socialists and the Greens,
Speaker 6: but also more radical elements like the Communists like trots
Speaker 6: Kiss and open Hamas and Islamist sympathizers, they also got
Speaker 6: around six millions. So kind of the National Rally won
Speaker 6: the popular vote, but due to the election system in France,
Speaker 6: there was kind of tactical alliance between the quote unquote
Speaker 6: center and the radical left, so they got more seats.
Speaker 1: So the trend towards the right in Europe is continuing.
Speaker 6: I mean, we saw the same by the way, in
Speaker 6: the United Kingdom, as many of your viewers are familiar
Speaker 6: with Nigel Farage, But Nigel Farash got fourteen percent of
Speaker 6: the popular vote, but it only translated into five seats,
Speaker 6: right as the lip Dams, for example, only got twelve
Speaker 6: percent of the vote and they got seventy two seats
Speaker 6: in parliament.
Speaker 1: So there is a mismatch at them.
Speaker 6: I mean, we always have to deal with the voting system,
Speaker 6: there is, but there is a mismatch at the moment.
Speaker 6: I think where the popular movement is, where the populacets are,
Speaker 6: and what the population is and how it translates into
Speaker 6: actual political power. But this was not the breaking of
Speaker 6: the conservative or whatever you want to call it, or
Speaker 6: the right wing wave that is building in Europe. I
Speaker 6: would say this is more calm before the storm, because
Speaker 6: the trend lines are still there.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to ask you about that, because
Speaker 2: what does it say about the leadership of the West
Speaker 2: right now? Look at France, Kiir Starmer in the UK,
Speaker 2: Joe Biden in the US, Justin Trudeau in Canada for example,
Speaker 2: where is the world heading to?
Speaker 6: Well? I think what it does tell you and I
Speaker 6: think this is one of the most important things we
Speaker 6: don't talk about enough. Look at the people you just
Speaker 6: mentioned just In Trudeauugh Peostarmer, Joe Biden. In my opinion,
Speaker 6: if you look at their agendas, if you look with
Speaker 6: whom they is around themselves, from the radical transgender agenda
Speaker 6: to net zero and caa radical environmentalism, those are the radicals.
Speaker 6: Very often the so called right wing populist If you
Speaker 6: look at their program they are not the radicals. I
Speaker 6: think the biggest brainwashing operation of the last twenty years
Speaker 6: was to tell the people that the opposition, the right
Speaker 6: wing opposition, are the radicals and those in government are
Speaker 6: the moderates. It's exactly the other way around. We actually
Speaker 6: have been gathered for twenty years. And this is also
Speaker 6: d on the European Union level. We've been governed by
Speaker 6: radicals for the last twenty years, and it was the
Speaker 6: moderate opposition. The main winning agenda of the so called
Speaker 6: right wing is their common sense approach. Wherever they stick
Speaker 6: to their common sense, they're winning. And Donald Trump is
Speaker 6: the best example of this. Look at this, at the
Speaker 6: current Republican platform, look at their programs, Look at the
Speaker 6: way he carried himself during the debate. Donald Trump is
Speaker 6: not a radical. I don't care that the Who Republic
Speaker 6: had him as Hitler on their cover.
Speaker 1: This is all they have. Again, they do the same thing.
Speaker 6: It's moderate acquisitions, but they say you're Hitler anyways, and unfortunately,
Speaker 6: which is nobody's fault. But very often they still works
Speaker 6: with the electorate because most people don't.
Speaker 1: Have the time to engage with politics all the time,
Speaker 1: like you and I.
Speaker 6: So if the mainstream media constant it tells you these
Speaker 6: guys are like Hitler, you assume, well, if the media
Speaker 6: say so, it's probably true. But I think we're gradually
Speaker 6: see people realizing the media lize to you. And the
Speaker 6: best evidence we have for this is just remember we've
Speaker 6: been told for four years that Joe Biden is the fittest, smartest,
Speaker 6: most brilliant man ever to occupy the White House.
Speaker 1: We all know now that this was a lie, that
Speaker 1: it was visible for everyone what I used to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, look at the lefty media in the US
Speaker 2: scrambling to take back the last four years of denial now.
Speaker 2: Quebec based journalist Alexandra Lavoy has posted this video on
Speaker 2: immigration growth in Paris. She says Paris is now almost unrecognizable.
Speaker 4: Ralph.
Speaker 2: This journalist has described what she saw as shocking almost
Speaker 2: all immigrants African style, straight markets, litter and garbage everywhere.
Speaker 4: On the ground. Will this get worse under the far left?
Speaker 6: I mean, if you look at what's the program of
Speaker 6: Sean Luke Menichew, like one of the more radical members
Speaker 6: of the French Left Alliance, were saying, they are talking
Speaker 6: about granting refugee star status to so called climate refugees,
Speaker 6: which we can talk the detail I think is a
Speaker 6: bollocks term, but that's besides the point. And according to
Speaker 6: the UN, there's about one point two billion climate refugees
Speaker 6: already in the world, so good luck for France to
Speaker 6: take in.
Speaker 1: One point two billion refugees.
Speaker 6: You will no longer like you will have a place
Speaker 6: on the map that is called France, but there will
Speaker 6: no longer be a French nation.
Speaker 2: Ralph Sholhamma, we have to leave it there. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much for joining us. This evening still to come.
Speaker 2: Prince William appears to close the door on his brother
Speaker 2: and a famous Hollywood actor goes.
Speaker 4: Undercover as a normal person.
Speaker 1: D D.
Speaker 4: Dun Levy joins me next after this.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, joining me now is broadcaster and commentator d D.
Speaker 4: Done Levy. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: So, Prince William is said to have banned his brother
Speaker 2: Prince Harry, from ever returning to the Royal Fold. That's
Speaker 2: according to British royals expert Hillary Forditch, who says, to
Speaker 2: this day, after the release of Spare and that Netflix series,
Speaker 2: as well as everything else that Harry's done, it's Prince
Speaker 2: William who adamantly refuses to even speak to his brother.
Speaker 15: D D.
Speaker 2: Look, this is hardly surprising. Why on earth would they
Speaker 2: ever want Harry back into the fold.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a little part of me, a
Speaker 3: little part of probably everyone in Britain and Royal watches
Speaker 3: that would actually like the Royal family to be all
Speaker 3: reunited and unified, which I don't suspect will happen while
Speaker 3: Meghan is still part of the whole picture. And there's
Speaker 3: talk that William is the sort of the enforcer, the
Speaker 3: tough guy of the Royal family.
Speaker 4: Prince Charles is a pushover.
Speaker 3: I think he'd take Harry back in a heartbeat, but
Speaker 3: William's sort of taken on that role that Prince Philip
Speaker 3: led where he was the tough guy of it. I
Speaker 3: think I can see William's point of view as well.
Speaker 3: He's more protective of I think the upset that Harry
Speaker 3: caused while the Queen was in her dying weeks, months,
Speaker 3: even years, and so that's probably why William has such
Speaker 3: a stronger feeling toward Harry. But I just can't see
Speaker 3: it happening. I think what the Royal family should do
Speaker 3: is actually sever all ties with this pair with Harry
Speaker 3: and Meghan, because that then devalues their currency. Does it
Speaker 3: if the not former Royals and can't keep referring to that,
Speaker 3: than all her little schemes to make money they really
Speaker 3: not worth anything.
Speaker 2: Well, clearly I don't think they're worth anything as it
Speaker 2: stands now. Look, Carnie West is reportedly retiring from professional music,
Speaker 2: according to an alleged text.
Speaker 4: Exchange with Rich the Kid.
Speaker 2: Now Rich the Kid uploaded a screenshot to his Instagram
Speaker 2: of messages he'd received from an iPhone contact under the
Speaker 2: name ye reading I'm retiring from professional music.
Speaker 4: Not sure what else to do. Rich then tried to
Speaker 4: convince the father of four to reconsider his decision. DD
Speaker 4: it seems.
Speaker 2: Carnie's well highly controversial, rather strange at times.
Speaker 3: Career is at the end of the road, the stage
Speaker 3: at all times. I think, Look, I don't think either
Speaker 3: of us or anyone's going to.
Speaker 4: Fall for this at all.
Speaker 3: I think Kanye craves the spotlight. I don't think he
Speaker 3: can live without it. Just take a look at he
Speaker 3: and his partner. They clearly love the attention. This all
Speaker 3: feels very manufactured to me. And he's actually smart of
Speaker 3: Carne that he's linked himself. I know he's released a
Speaker 3: single with this artist who I'd never heard of neither,
Speaker 3: But to align yourself with the younger artist and to
Speaker 3: do something like this, it kind of gives him, you know,
Speaker 3: a bit of more than longevity in the business. And
Speaker 3: he's done very well for himself. I think he knows
Speaker 3: from a marketing perspective what he's doing. And I think
Speaker 3: the whole thing was staged for publicity.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, probably, and maybe he's got a new single coming
Speaker 2: out and he's trying to just test the waters before
Speaker 2: he goes the launches.
Speaker 4: I think that's a very good point.
Speaker 2: Now, this is hilarious because actor Kevin Bacon he wore
Speaker 2: prosthetic teeth, nose, and glasses to experiment with anonymity.
Speaker 4: Trying to be like the everyday man.
Speaker 2: But his experiment was short lived because he said, quote
Speaker 2: I had to wait in line to buy a coffee.
Speaker 4: I was like, this sucks. I want to go back
Speaker 4: to being famous. G DD.
Speaker 2: It's a hard life being a celebrity, isn't it, not
Speaker 2: having to wait in line for coffee.
Speaker 4: I'm looking he gave it a fair guy, spies. Well,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: Actually he's at risk of coming across as a bit
Speaker 3: of a spoiled brat and a bit of somebody who
Speaker 3: none of us want to be six degrees from as
Speaker 3: we all are. I'd like to think that Kevin Bacon
Speaker 3: did this just as a joke or for a bit
Speaker 3: of fun, because if you'd take it seriously, it actually
Speaker 3: it's just I mean, I can't stand that expression white privilege.
Speaker 4: But it's a bit privilege, isn't it.
Speaker 3: And all the influences are probably fainting and clutching at
Speaker 3: their pearls because they're all dying to be famous, and
Speaker 3: here's Kevin Bacon, who is famous, who just.
Speaker 4: Doesn't want it for that moment. I mean, everyone wants
Speaker 4: something they haven't got.
Speaker 3: I'm going to assume that Kevin Bacon did this for
Speaker 3: the fun of it and not because he actually hates
Speaker 3: his life as a celebrity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: I think he just wanted to see how far he
Speaker 2: could test the waters at being anonymous one.
Speaker 4: He gave it a day at least. Good on him
Speaker 4: for trying.
Speaker 2: Now, Alec Baldwin's trial for involuntary manslaughter over a fatal
Speaker 2: shooting on the set of western movie Rust has begun.
Speaker 2: The Hollywood A lister was pointing a gun at cinematographer
Speaker 2: Helena Hutchins during a rehearsal in twenty twenty one when
Speaker 2: it fired a live round, of course, killing her and
Speaker 2: wounding the movie's director d d He could actually face
Speaker 2: jail time if he's found guilty by the jury.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he could.
Speaker 3: And I think this trial is going to be a
Speaker 3: lot less Hollywood juicy than people are actually expecting. I
Speaker 3: think it's going to be quite dry and technical because
Speaker 3: a lot of the evidence is going to the discussion
Speaker 3: I think in the case is going to revolve around
Speaker 3: the gun that was used, because Alec Baldwin insists that
Speaker 3: he didn't fire the gun, he didn't pull the trigger
Speaker 3: at bigger pardon that he only cocked the gun, and
Speaker 3: his defense teams say that the gun had been modified
Speaker 3: somehow filed down. The FBI tested it and they said no,
Speaker 3: it fired absolutely normally. But in the FBI doing their testing,
Speaker 3: they destroyed the gun. Therefore, there is no evidence to
Speaker 3: prove whether or not this gun. There are some photographs,
Speaker 3: I believe, but there is no actual gun to look
Speaker 3: at to determine whether he did actually fire it or
Speaker 3: with he did just.
Speaker 4: Pull the trigger back.
Speaker 3: So I think it will be very technical, and I
Speaker 3: think that it is a question that's going to be
Speaker 3: very difficult to answer.
Speaker 4: I suspect that he may end.
Speaker 3: Up being cleared of these charges, and I think the
Speaker 3: only thing that we can be sure of is that
Speaker 3: he should be treated like any other person. He shouldn't
Speaker 3: be given any special privilege in this particular case because
Speaker 3: he's a celebrity.
Speaker 2: No, I completely agree with you. It'll be interesting to
Speaker 2: see what the jury finds. Deed it don Lee be
Speaker 2: good to speak with you. Thanks for joining us, pleasure,
Speaker 2: thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: That's it from me. Up next is Newsnight. Good Night,