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Speaker 1: On scoring leaves Australia. This is the Wider Pane Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the Rita Panahee Show. I'm Caroline Trusso.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on the show tonight. Why social media giants

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Speaker 2: have an issue with Australian privacy laws. Some of Australia's

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Speaker 2: biggest companies are seeking government bailouts because they can't cope

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Speaker 2: with the weight of climate regulation. An Army Horowitz joins

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Speaker 2: me from the US with all the latest on the

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Speaker 2: Epstein files, the Trump and must spat and is Federal

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Speaker 2: Reserve Chair Jerome Powe soon.

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Speaker 3: To leave the building?

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Speaker 2: Plus the latest in the Royal family peace talks, and

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Speaker 2: of course lefties losing it. Here is the sneak peak

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Speaker 2: of well, whatever this is meant to be, now, let's

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Speaker 2: start with the economy and former Treasury Secretary of Ken

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Speaker 2: Henry said the federal government has a spending problem.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we all knew that, and that.

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Speaker 2: Loss productivity has cost the average Australian worker five hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand over the last twenty five years. Now, everything the

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Speaker 2: Albanezi government has done thus far has crippled productivity and

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Speaker 2: apparently a round table is going to fix it. Joining

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Speaker 2: me now for more on this is a former Victorian

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Speaker 2: Liberal Party president, Michael Kroger. Michael, we have a problem

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Speaker 2: with productivity. Everyone knows we have a problem with productivity.

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Speaker 2: But how do we fix this issue in Australia when

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Speaker 2: the government is ideologically opposed to it?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Look, the easiest way to fix productivity is steering the

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Speaker 4: government in the face. And it's the amount of time

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Speaker 4: federal and state government's take to approve projects, licenses, applications,

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Speaker 4: permits submitted by the private sector. Remember Adani, the mine there.

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Speaker 1: Took over eight years for approval.

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Speaker 4: I mean to get approval for housing developments can take

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Speaker 4: anything up to two two and a half years with appeals.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you cut the amount of time that

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Speaker 4: it took for government to approve licenses, permits, you would

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Speaker 4: dramatically increase productivity in this country and it would cost nothing.

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Speaker 1: And you know so the Liberal Party, I've got no doubt,

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Speaker 1: would approve.

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Speaker 4: The Greens wouldn't, but the Liberal Party in the Senate

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Speaker 4: would approve all sorts of changes to quantify the titments

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Speaker 4: by which government departments have to approve applications federal in

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Speaker 4: the State and of course, if you want to then

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Speaker 4: have appeals, you could set up something like the Takeover's Panel,

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Speaker 4: which deals with corporation since uge, where they give you

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Speaker 4: an answer within two weeks. The Corporations Panel acts extremely quickly,

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Speaker 4: so if you didn't like an application, you know an approval.

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Speaker 4: Instead of going to the courts, you go to an

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Speaker 4: independent body set up to be the appeals body for

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Speaker 4: permit applications granted or denied by governments.

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Speaker 1: And if you dramatically cut the.

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Speaker 4: Time for the approval of these applications, you would massively

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Speaker 4: increase productivity in this country. So whilst he's convening a

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Speaker 4: productivity around table with business, he should be convening a

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Speaker 4: productivity around table with government departments and looking at all

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Speaker 4: sorts of environmental and approvals legislation where public servants don't

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Speaker 4: have time limits the approval of applications. I mean you

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Speaker 4: lodge an application for a house development, housing development Victoria,

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Speaker 1: It can take.

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Speaker 4: Six months, seven months, there's no time limit the objectives.

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Speaker 4: Then appeal it goes to VCAT that take another year,

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Speaker 4: year and a half. I mean sooner or later. Governments

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Speaker 4: have got to recognize they are the problem. It's not

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Speaker 4: the private sector that's the problem. And so he can

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Speaker 4: have all around table discurtancy like and it's better than nothing.

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Speaker 4: But the real problem is the log of his own

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Speaker 4: eye and it has been in this country for a generation.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's another piece to that as well, Michael.

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Speaker 2: We've obviously seen the industrial relations changes that went through

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Speaker 3: Which had just continue to hinder productivity.

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Speaker 2: I think it's really hoton that the government let us

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Speaker 2: know what additional IR changes they'll have for this term

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Speaker 2: and what impact that will have on productivity.

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Speaker 3: Would you agree, well.

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Speaker 1: I do agree.

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Speaker 4: You know, Tony Burke slipped through all these amendments with

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Speaker 4: the Albanizy government, bit by bit by bit, making harder

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Speaker 4: We're seeing moves towards pattern bargaining, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: This is all slow productivity and he's done it at

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Speaker 4: the behest of the trading movement.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he's paying his masters.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course he should set out what industrial relations

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Speaker 4: changes he's proposing, if any during the second term of

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Speaker 4: the Albany is the government and put them on the

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Speaker 4: table during the productivity roundtable, because I'm sure he'd get

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Speaker 4: a very strong answer there from the private sector.

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Speaker 1: But the government basically is any business.

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Speaker 1: And that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, correct.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Another policy setting proposed by Ken Henry is the introduction

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Speaker 2: of a climate trigger for all major projects so that

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Speaker 2: they can account for essentially their impact on global warming.

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Speaker 2: Now does this cut across what he says on productivity

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Speaker 2: and will this trigger achieve whatever it is it's intended

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Speaker 4: Well, of course it cuts across it. I mean what

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Speaker 4: Ken Henry's proposing is more regulation. I mean that's not

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Speaker 4: what we need in this country. So when he talks

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand over the last decade or so, he's proposing

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Speaker 1: It harder for business. Why doesn't Australia instead of being.

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Speaker 4: A world leader on net zero and these other things

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Speaker 4: where we talk about being worlds, why don't we take

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Speaker 4: the world leaders on deregulation and making it easy for

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Speaker 4: people to do business. I mean, capital is very mobile

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Speaker 4: around the world. If Australian got a reputation has been

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Speaker 4: the easiest country in the world for business to do business.

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Speaker 1: We would see a boom in productivity.

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Speaker 4: So Ken Henry maybe right on his first point about

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Speaker 4: loss productivity, but increasing regulation to put in another massive

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Speaker 4: overlaid which would take months and months and years for

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Speaker 4: government departments to determine whether or not there was an

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Speaker 4: effect on the climate of any particular project. That's exactly

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Speaker 4: the wrong way to go, and you know that's not

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Speaker 4: what the government should be doing.

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Speaker 2: Now, moving on to a separate topic and some very

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Speaker 2: interesting comments made by Jason Clair regarding the timeline for

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Speaker 2: the implementation if any of the recommendations from anti Semitism envoid.

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Speaker 2: Jillian Siegel and apparently the government will wait until the

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Speaker 2: Islamophobia Envoy reports back, which could apparently take months. Now

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Speaker 2: is this really appropriate given the recent spate of anti

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Speaker 4: Well, of course it's not. I mean, Jason Clair knows that.

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Speaker 4: But look, you have a hard left government here run

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Speaker 4: by Wong and Albanizi. They're unsympathetic to Israel. What coming

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Speaker 4: up to two years since October seven? Jillian Siegel puts

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Speaker 4: forward a very thoughtful discussion paper with many exceptionally good recommendations.

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Speaker 4: The government should have accepted her recommendation within a week,

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Speaker 4: dealt with them and started to implement her recommendations. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be any hurry at all in relation

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Speaker 4: to this government's move in relation to his you know, antisemitism,

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Speaker 4: is Lamophobia doesn't seem to be massively on the increase

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Speaker 4: mosques being burnt down. I haven't seen Muslim leaders and

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Speaker 4: about you know, Muslim people at Jewish rallies, et cetera,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. Of course they should have already moved by now.

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Speaker 4: And to say we're waiting on the report from the

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Speaker 4: Islambiphobia commissioner, boy, that's a terrible cop out and extremely disappointing.

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Speaker 4: But it adds to it adds to the weakness of

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Speaker 4: the Albanese government in dealing with Anti seven, which started

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Speaker 4: the day after the October seven massacre, where Penny one

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Speaker 4: call for restraint, all on Israel to be restrained. Well,

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Speaker 4: how different the Middle East would be today if the

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Speaker 4: Western world had shown restraint in relation to Hamas Hezbola,

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Speaker 4: again a very disappointing response from the government, but not

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Speaker 4: a typical of.

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Speaker 3: Them, No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of disappointing responses, onto Albanese's trip to China,

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Speaker 2: and apparently the Prime Minister has sought to allay fears

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Speaker 2: over the proposed East Coast gas reservation policy with the Chinese. Firstly,

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Speaker 2: you think you'd be having that discussion with the Japanese

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Speaker 2: as a priority and other major importers. But shouldn't ALBERNIZI

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Speaker 2: have high priority matters to discuss with Jijingping?

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Speaker 4: Well, he should, I mean, why doesn't he discuss with

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Speaker 4: Jijingping net zero, China's attitude to net zero? Why didn't

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Speaker 4: you discuss with him? Or didn't he discuss with him?

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Speaker 4: The fact that they're building dozens and dozens of of

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Speaker 1: Why didn't he ask.

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Speaker 4: The Chinese what their intentions were about Taiwan? That would

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Speaker 4: have been very helpful the Western world for him to

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Speaker 4: ask that question. Why didn't he discuss with them Chinese

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Speaker 4: relations with Chinese relations with the Russians who are arming

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Speaker 4: you know, they're arming the Russians in the fight against Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: We're on the other side of this war. Why didn't

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Speaker 1: And finally, why didn't he discuss with him in relation

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Speaker 4: The fact that China is the biggest producer of fakes

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Speaker 4: what we're talking about trade. Why doesn't he pull the

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Speaker 4: Chinese up on these things? But this, this this visit

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Speaker 4: by alban and Easy to China. It was like, you know,

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Speaker 4: can't say anything. We've just got to be a timid,

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Speaker 4: you know, weak lickspittle over here in Australia who can't

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Speaker 4: afford to offend the Chinese under any circumstances. And what

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Speaker 4: a disappointing trip in Australia has just been humiliated by

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, and still hasn't managed to see the US

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Speaker 2: president yet, which actually you would think would have been

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Speaker 2: the priority, we would have been the priority. Now onto

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Speaker 2: a story, and I have to say this one here

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Speaker 2: raised my eyebrows and Mark Zuckerberg's Meta has told Anthony

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Speaker 2: Albanize in his government that overly broad changes to privacy

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Speaker 2: laws could curtail its ability to develop AI. So what's

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Speaker 2: the issue here for Meta? But more importantly, what's the

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Speaker 2: issue here for everyday Australians.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't accept what Meta is saying. You know,

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Speaker 4: these tech companies have got far too much power. You know,

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Speaker 4: I support the band that's being introduced here. I think

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Speaker 4: these companies have been extremely derelict in there in the

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Speaker 4: international responsibilities. You know, we don't need lectures moral lectures

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Speaker 4: from Meta and others about these things. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: by and large these companies have been left wing. They

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Speaker 4: they've allowed shocking things to be published on their sites

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Speaker 4: with our proper over site. They're largely incorporated in tax

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Speaker 4: havens to avoid to avoid US tax et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. So do I think the privacy regulation here

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Speaker 4: has got anything to do with AI? Perhaps perhaps smarter

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Speaker 4: people and me can work out the link, but I can't.

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Speaker 4: I can't personally work out the links. So no, I

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Speaker 4: don't agree. I don't believe what he's saying on this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I always think that.

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Speaker 2: Look, I understand that they might want to develop software

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Speaker 2: and the like, and they might want to make AI better,

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Speaker 2: but I think as a priority, our government should be

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Speaker 2: protecting our private information as much as they can.

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Speaker 3: Michael Kroger, thank you so much for joining us. Thank

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Speaker 3: you joining me now is geologist Ian Plymer Ian.

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Speaker 2: Let's get straight in and our friends that The Guardian

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Speaker 2: have reported that the UK's clean electricity is growing too

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Speaker 6: Well, the climate targets are unrealistic to start with. Secondly, wind,

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Speaker 6: certainly offshore wind in the UK just hasn't worked. It's

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Speaker 6: far too expensive. And the third thing is they've shut

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Speaker 6: nuclear power across from France. So it's disaster after disaster.

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Speaker 6: And the poor Old Guardian, which used to be one

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Speaker 6: have to understand. One of them is that you can't

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Speaker 6: keep an industrial economy going on low density power, and

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Speaker 6: that's what they're doing. The second thing is that the

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Speaker 6: once that cheap, reliable it was nuclear and coal. No

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Speaker 6: longer they have a little bit of gas. There's a

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Speaker 6: huge amount of gas still out in the North Sea.

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Speaker 6: This could be obtained by fracking, but apparently this is

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Speaker 6: so sinful that they're prepared to go broke and starve

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Speaker 2: And the UK was a great manufacturing economy and you.

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Speaker 3: Refer to that cheap power.

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Speaker 2: So then going forward for the UK, is it a

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Speaker 2: return to gas, is it a return to nuclear? I mean,

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Speaker 2: we know that governments get caught in ideology here, but

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Speaker 6: Well, yes they are, but the ideological decisions. Victoria was

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Speaker 6: one for manufacturing heartland of Australia. It's bankrupt and their

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Speaker 6: energy is extraordinary expensive. Yet they once had the cheapest

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Speaker 6: the world. Germany went the same way. Germany produced motor vehicles,

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Speaker 6: many of these are now made outside Germany. They had

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Speaker 6: The UK has done exactly the same. There used to

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Speaker 6: in the south. They have some gas, They've got huge

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Speaker 6: gas reserves. They still have huge coal reserves. But they

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Speaker 6: have decided ideologically that the UK is going to save

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Speaker 6: the world by banks Chipman and the poor old pension

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Speaker 6: is in the UK are suffering. Now. You shouldn't in

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Speaker 6: a G twenty country like the UK, as a pensioner

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Speaker 6: have to make a decision do you have a hot meal,

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Speaker 6: that's where the UK's got itself into simply by ideology.

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Speaker 6: This has got nothing to do with the appalling labor

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Speaker 2: And interestingly, when this labor government came in in the UK,

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Speaker 2: they chastise the conservatives for going too slow on nuclear,

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Speaker 2: which is the polar opposite obviously of what's happened here

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Speaker 3: At least there seems to be a bit.

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Speaker 2: More of a practical approach in the US, and Trump's

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Speaker 2: energies are Chris right. Well, he's argued that climate change

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Speaker 2: isn't necessarily an existential crisis and that most green policies

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Speaker 3: Bring around exclusion and scarcity. What's your thoughts on his view.

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Speaker 6: Well, energy keeps the Western world going.

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Speaker 7: If we don't have cheap energy, we do not survive,

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Speaker 7: and we can go back into the Stone Age. Even

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Speaker 7: if we get rid of fossil fuels, we still need

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Speaker 7: about six thousand daily products made from fossil fuels.

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Speaker 6: We need a lot of medicines and medical equipment made

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Speaker 6: from fossil fuels. So the reality is that we live

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Speaker 6: in an energy dense society where we need a lot

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Speaker 6: of energy, where we need fossil fuels. Now, there is

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Speaker 6: no crisis existential crisis. It is a crisis of thought,

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Speaker 6: and it's a crisis of propaganda. We now have people

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Speaker 6: who are absolutely convinced that one cow farting in a

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Speaker 6: is going to send this country into a big spin climb. Wise, now,

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Speaker 6: there are a few fundamentals. No one has ever shown

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Speaker 6: It's never been shown. So until you can show this,

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Speaker 6: then we will never have an existential crisis. So I

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Speaker 6: think what's happening in the US is actually pragmatic. The

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Speaker 6: US is blessed with a lot of oil, a lot

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Speaker 6: of gas. It's got no uranium, although it's just across

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Speaker 6: They get a lot of energy coming in pipelines from Canada.

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Speaker 6: They are exceptionally well blessed with energy. This is making

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Speaker 6: So it's not an existential problem. It's a problem of competition.

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Speaker 6: If you want to compete in today's world, you need

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Speaker 6: cheap energy. This is why China is able to compete.

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Speaker 6: This is why China is able to produce goods very cheaply,

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Speaker 6: which they flood the world with because they have cheap energy.

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Speaker 6: And President Trump is going that direction, saying we want

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Speaker 6: to be a great manufacturing country again to do this.

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Speaker 6: We need cheap energy now.

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Speaker 3: Just off the back of that.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, the US is the biggest economy in the world.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that other Western governments will slowly take

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Speaker 6: Well, I think they'll have to, but some are going

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Speaker 6: to be pretty slow. I've mentioned Victoria earlier. They'll still

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Speaker 6: be in the Stone Age when the rest of the

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Speaker 6: world has changed, and Australia is an island. We cannot

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Speaker 6: import energy from our neighbors. Now Germany does that when

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Speaker 6: the wind doesn't blow. They bring in hydro from Norway,

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Speaker 6: It brings in hydro from Quebec, it brings in nuclear

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Speaker 6: to be independent, and we are so well blessed. We

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Speaker 6: have huge amounts of uranium, we have thousands of years

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Speaker 6: to want to rely on sea breezes and sunbeams, and

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Speaker 6: the sun doesn't shine all the time, and the wind

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Speaker 6: we're going to run an industrial economy on sea breezes

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Speaker 6: and sunbeams. Well, we can have solar and wind operate

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Speaker 6: in some areas. I spend as a geologist a lot

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Speaker 6: because the wind and sol that have a very low

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Speaker 6: based on what resources we have, and it's based on

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Speaker 6: wind and solar. So we're destroying our economy. It's happening

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Speaker 2: And just very quickly, when you're talking about the grant

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Speaker 3: If we've got this major sovereign.

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Speaker 2: Capacity that can't remain viable, then surely the policy settings

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Speaker 3: I've only got about thirty seconds left.

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Speaker 6: That's because of expensive energy. How smelters in this country

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Speaker 6: rely on cheap energy. It is now no longer cheap.

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Speaker 6: And the Chinese are putting us out of business by

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Speaker 6: having the smelter treatment charges as a negative charge. In

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Speaker 6: other words, they pay you to smelt the material rather

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Speaker 6: it'll be business by business, industry by industry, and we're

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ian, plym up for your time.

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Speaker 2: And still to come. Why the big guns on Wall

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Speaker 2: you don't want to miss lefties losing it. Now it's

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Speaker 2: time for lefties losing it. And let's start with the

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Speaker 2: latest iteration of the free Palestine slash anti ice movement,

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Speaker 2: where a section of that venn diagram now includes free

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Speaker 2: the nipple.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Luck with that boob showing Gaza love.

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Speaker 2: And there's been plenty of reporting regarding the mayoral candidates

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Speaker 8: Heard them being called terrorists, we heard them being called

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Speaker 3: And there's more.

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Speaker 8: According to DHS Matter President, the domestic the greatest domestic

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Speaker 8: the superiority superiority of the white race, not our immigrants.

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Speaker 8: We are safer and we're better off because of them.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of the New York mayoral candidate, he is ioa.

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Speaker 3: He's breaking his credentials.

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Speaker 9: Have people see him face to face and take the

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Speaker 9: really championing is shoes like a rent freeze, and championing

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Speaker 2: Now, if that doesn't put the fear of God in you,

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Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure what will. Oh No, wait, this

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Speaker 6: Farming needs to stop.

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Speaker 10: That's the single biggest driver of climate change.

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Speaker 2: But this last one is my favorite. MPR CEO Catherine

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Speaker 2: mar on media bias.

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Speaker 10: As far as the accusations that were biased, I would

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Speaker 10: stand up and say, please show me a story that

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Speaker 5: Want to know and we want to bring that conversation

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Speaker 5: back to our newsroom.

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Speaker 2: Really, let's have a look at some of their past headlines.

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Speaker 2: There is no neutral Nice white people can still be

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Speaker 2: complicit in a racist society. After Biden's debate performance, the

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Speaker 2: presidential race is unchanged. Arguments that trans athletes have an

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Speaker 2: unfair advantage lack evidence to support.

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Speaker 3: But my personal personal favorite.

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Speaker 2: A brief history on how racism shaped interstate highways. Yep,

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Speaker 2: definitely not biased and all funded by the US taxpayers.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is filmmaker and commentator Armie Horovitz. Before

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Speaker 2: the end of our last segment. Is she disingenuous, not

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Yes, and yes, yeah all above.

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Speaker 11: Look, I mean Katherine, she imploded during congressional testimony. Right,

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Speaker 11: They rolled out all of her past comments, including the

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Speaker 11: ones you mentioned before, but also things like Trump is

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Speaker 11: a deranged racist. Right, she said, using the term boys

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Speaker 11: and girls is inappropriate. She she said, call for reparations

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Speaker 11: and said that that this country's built a white supremacy

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Speaker 11: on the black of.

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Speaker 5: Blacks.

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Speaker 11: No, she is a hard leftist and NPR has had

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Speaker 11: this problem for years. Look, they had a huge controversy

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Speaker 11: last year, right, and they could have brought in somebody

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Speaker 11: forget about conservative you can never ask for that. But

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Speaker 11: somebody moderate, somebody unbiased. I mean, after all, it's funded

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Speaker 11: by the US taxpayer. They brought in Catherine Marr right

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Speaker 11: look at their headquarters. They said there was eighty seven

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Speaker 11: editors who affiliated as part of the Democratic Party and

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Speaker 11: not a single person affiliated the Republican Party.

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Speaker 5: That's a problem.

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Speaker 11: It's why people look at them and say, how are

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Speaker 11: we funding this? Why is the American taxpayer, republicly and

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Speaker 11: Democrats funding an organization that so buys against conservatives.

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Speaker 5: They recently just enacted a new rule.

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Speaker 11: Well, actually they are moved a rule saying that journalists

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Speaker 11: their journalists are allowed to participate in political demonstrations.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's insanity. Yeah, No, NPR's.

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Speaker 11: Days of federal funding. I think our number now that

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Speaker 11: Trump is in power, and it's a shame because they

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Speaker 11: could have avoided this, and they refused to and this

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Speaker 11: is what they're going to.

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Speaker 2: Have, and it just seems the evidence is so it's unavoidable.

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Speaker 2: It's I don't even know how she can say the

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Speaker 2: things she said. Speaking of things that won't go away

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Speaker 2: in the Epstein file saga, that's another one that just

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Speaker 2: won't go anyway.

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Speaker 3: Even Joe Rogan is waiting.

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Speaker 12: They've got videotape, and then all of a sudden they don't.

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Speaker 12: You know, you have the director of the FBI on

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Speaker 12: the show saying there's no tap. If there was nothing

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Speaker 12: you're looking for is on those tapes? Like what why

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Speaker 12: did they say there was thousands of hours of tapes

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Speaker 12: of people doing horrible Why did they say that? Right,

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Speaker 12: didn't Pam BONDI say.

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Speaker 2: That Joe Rogan isn't the bail granted? But once an

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Speaker 2: issue like this is started to talk about in the

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Speaker 2: cultural sphere, I'm not quite sure how you get the

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Speaker 2: j and back in the bottle? What does the government

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Speaker 2: do from here?

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Speaker 3: Amy?

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Speaker 5: Look, it's it's a problem, you know.

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Speaker 11: Look they say conspiracy theories is that old joke how

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Speaker 11: a gentleman dies and he goes to heaven.

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Speaker 5: He asked God who shot JFK?

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Speaker 11: And he goes and guy goes Lee Harvey Osweld and

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Speaker 11: the guy goes, oh my god, the conspiracy has God

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Speaker 11: this high. Yeah, that's the problem conspiracy theorists. There is

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Speaker 11: no convincing them of reality. Right, It's just the problem.

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Speaker 11: It's an inherent problem with conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists.

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Speaker 11: I think, I look at deep let me get I'll

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Speaker 11: get back to to Epstein and kind of what Joe Rogan,

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Speaker 11: you should that clip you showed specifically. But look, there's

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Speaker 11: a problem going on with these people in general. And

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Speaker 11: you know, it's it's it's it's it's Joe Rogan, it's

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Speaker 11: Dave Smith, the Jewish comedian, it's uh, it's Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 5: There there's a number of people.

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Speaker 11: Using Epstein as a way to attack Jews and Israel.

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Speaker 11: They keep going over this completely debunked, zero evidence whatsoever,

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Speaker 11: conspiracy theory that he was a Mossad agent.

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Speaker 5: They continue to to.

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Speaker 11: Talk about that because they are looking for a handle

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Speaker 11: to attack Jews. That's how sick and problematic this whole

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Speaker 11: thing has become. But specifically talking about the the the

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Speaker 11: the the the release in the thousands of hours of childborn. Look,

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Speaker 11: the truth is this was very much mishandled by Pam

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Speaker 11: Bondi and the d O j Okay, let's start with that.

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Speaker 11: I'm not sure it would have avoid this whole problem,

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Speaker 11: because again, conspiracy theorists cannot be convinced that their at

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Speaker 11: the air of their way, they're wrong. But she really

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Speaker 11: really mishandled this beginning with if you remember earlier in

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Speaker 11: the year, she brought all these kind of like young,

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Speaker 11: you know, influencers who were kind naive to the White

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Speaker 11: House and gave them the binders, right like, look, we've

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Speaker 11: got the binders.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna release all the information.

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Speaker 11: And they raised it above their head and she humiliated

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Speaker 11: them because there was nothing in those binders. She just

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Speaker 11: gave two hundred pages of contact info and list of

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Speaker 11: people that we had for years, public information for years.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, a lot of people were saying, well, you

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Speaker 11: said this was everything, but this is clearly this is

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Speaker 11: stuff has been in the public view for a long time.

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Speaker 11: It fueled, unfortunately, the conspiracy theories, and now it's being

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Speaker 11: weaponized actually also against Trump. You know, these are Trump

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Speaker 11: supporters who are doing this so weird. They're saying that

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Speaker 11: he's trying to cover up his role in this, that

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Speaker 11: he's probably mentioned that's why.

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Speaker 5: He's not releasing it.

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Speaker 11: Look, you know how I know that's not true because

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Speaker 11: the Biden administration and the Democrats have had this information

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Speaker 11: during the Biden administration and didn't release it. If there

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Speaker 11: was any way of them to hang Trump for something,

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Speaker 11: lest they would have released it, they didn't because he's

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Speaker 11: not in it. Yet they're still using that to attack Trump. Look,

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Speaker 11: we don't know exactly what these thousands of hours, but

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Speaker 11: what we're told is in it is just child pornography. Right,

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Speaker 11: there's no list of people in office or powerful people.

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Speaker 5: We know that doesn't exist.

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Speaker 11: Dershwitz says that it doesn't exist, and he was Eptein's lawyer. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: the whole thing is just incredible, and it's showing these

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Speaker 11: riffs we see even on the right, and it's just interesting.

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Speaker 2: Unless something like this is dealt with properly or tied

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Speaker 2: it up properly, it just feels like this pace of

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Speaker 2: string is going to go on forever.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not quite sure how they fix that.

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Speaker 2: But another niggel for President Trump, and it's his romance

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Speaker 2: break up with Alon Musk. Apparently Alon has changed his

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Speaker 2: phone number. Here is Mike Johnson speaking with Miranda Devine.

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Speaker 13: I'm trying to be a peacemaker and all, and I've

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Speaker 13: reached out to Elon multiple times since the blow up. Yes,

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Speaker 13: and I wanted he and the President to mend it up,

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Speaker 13: and frankly, I think the President was of that mind

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Speaker 13: as well. I sent him a long text message and

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Speaker 13: then his phone his number changed because after the blow up,

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Speaker 13: he something happened with his day. So I got the

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Speaker 13: number later and realized I was sending it out into

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Speaker 13: the ether or somewhere. He never read it. So I

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Speaker 13: look forward to meeting with him in person. We got

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Speaker 13: to make that right. I got nothing against Elon.

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Speaker 2: Is this just a distraction from core business for the

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Speaker 2: government or is there anything here that actually needs explaining?

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Speaker 11: Now there is something to this, I think what it

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Speaker 11: does do aside from the rift, look Elon Muslay and

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Speaker 11: he's going to create a third party of the American Party,

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Speaker 11: which would obviously hurt the Republican Party going forward. If

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Speaker 11: we're going to have this rift inside the party. Put

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Speaker 11: that aside. It does point to the larger issue when

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Speaker 11: it comes to tech bros. And what they want and

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Speaker 11: whether or not their alliance and support of Trump was

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Speaker 11: temporary or long lasting.

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Speaker 5: Look the driving fact there's a number of.

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Speaker 11: Factions in the Republican Party, and one of them are

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Speaker 11: are the tech giants, and they want something different than

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Speaker 11: a lot of people Republican Party because they're looking for

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Speaker 11: different perspectives. Some of his personal some of his economics,

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Speaker 11: some of it is based on defense.

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Speaker 5: They're looking for subsidization.

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Speaker 11: Of of industries and they're looking for deregulation.

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Speaker 5: Those are their two main issues.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 11: And look and some of it, I can see where

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Speaker 11: they're coming from. For example, they they they think the

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Speaker 11: only way to fight to fight China on AI is

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Speaker 11: up subsidizing the R and D with it. Right, whether

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Speaker 11: or not you agree with that, like, I get that perspective. Uh,

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Speaker 11: they want deregulation. They think that's going to spur our economy.

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Speaker 11: And specifically with with with Elon Musk, I think there

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Speaker 11: is something to the fact that this split happened because

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Speaker 11: of his interest in what we just talked about, specifically

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Speaker 11: with Tesla. That he was upset with the president when

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Speaker 11: he didn't renew the EV mandates and he didn't didn't

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Speaker 11: renew the subsidies to buy EV's.

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Speaker 5: I think that's obviously a significant part of his business.

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Speaker 11: I think he was upset with the president for that

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Speaker 11: and also the fact that he's afraid of a lawsuits

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Speaker 11: because when it comes to Tesla monopoly issue that Tesla may.

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Speaker 5: Have in this business.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, no, I think there's there is a reality

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Speaker 11: to it, and I think it's going to affect Republican Party.

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Speaker 2: Still on the economy, and we've seen a inflation uptick,

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Speaker 2: and the rumors about Federal Reserve chaired your own power,

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Speaker 2: that he might not have his job for much longer.

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Speaker 3: Trump has since denied this. What's actually going on?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is this could be an own goal by

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Speaker 11: the president. I think it's a huge mistake to fire

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Speaker 11: Drome Powell. First of all, I'm not sure he has.

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Speaker 11: In fact, I don't know he has. He doesn't have

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Speaker 11: the legal authority to do it.

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Speaker 5: But look, he's a president.

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Speaker 11: He wants easy money, right most presidents do, because it

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Speaker 11: perks up the economy. It also causes inflation. We just

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Speaker 11: saw an uptick inflation. We had a number of good

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Speaker 11: news when it came to inflation prior, but now we're

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Speaker 11: seeing it creep up again. And I think it's directly tied,

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Speaker 11: frankly to the tariffs. I think that's what's creeping up inflation.

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Speaker 11: And I think he's trying to counter that by the

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Speaker 11: president is by wanting to have a lower rates, like

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Speaker 11: I said, because it's going to pump up give artificial

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Speaker 11: stimulus the economy. But that's not what we need right

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Speaker 11: all presidents want that because they're looking for that economic stimulus.

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Speaker 5: But that's not.

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Speaker 11: Necessarily good for the economy at times. Sometimes it is

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Speaker 11: right now, it's not when inflation is kind of coming

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Speaker 11: up again. And what you're seeing is trying to get around. Look,

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Speaker 11: the only way a president can remove remove the head

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Speaker 11: of the FED is what they call for cause. In

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Speaker 11: other words, he had to have done something illegal or

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Speaker 11: significantly problematic, not because of policy difference.

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Speaker 5: You cannot legally remove over.

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Speaker 11: That because it's an independent body, right, it's not connected

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Speaker 11: to the government. And now you see kind of his

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Speaker 11: out the president's allies trying to find these weird ways

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Speaker 11: to say we can remove them for cause, and they're

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Speaker 11: pointing out to one thing specifically where he's doing a

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Speaker 11: renovation of the FED headquarters, and they're starting saying, well,

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Speaker 11: you didn't get all the improvements approved by Congress like

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Speaker 11: you're supposed to, so that's the reason why we're going

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Speaker 11: to have your removed. It's ridiculous, it's gonna make the

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Speaker 11: president look bad. There's no need to do it, really,

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Speaker 11: you don't have to do it. And he's had all

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Speaker 11: the success the president had, win after win after win,

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Speaker 11: the people opposing him are going to point to that

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Speaker 11: if he does that as saying, see anti democratic, he's

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Speaker 11: going against the laws.

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Speaker 5: And the president of the need that won't help him.

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Speaker 5: I think it's some mistake.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes the best thing to do is nothing.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: Once to the New York mayoral.

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Speaker 2: Wi Rice and the big wigs on Wall Street aren't

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Speaker 2: necessarily enamored with the Democratic nominees or on Mandami.

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Speaker 3: How's that going to play out?

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Speaker 5: Look?

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Speaker 11: You know it's uh, I guess we're gonna be talking

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Speaker 11: about Donnie for a long time, at least through the

662
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Speaker 11: year and hopefully not further, but possibly because he's leading

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Speaker 11: the polls.

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Speaker 5: Uh. Yeah, you know. It was this weird meeting.

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Speaker 11: He sat down with all the big wigs, all the billionaires,

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Speaker 11: all the industry leaders in New York.

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Speaker 5: It didn't go well, I mean did he?

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Speaker 11: But you know he basically every time I'm Donnie is

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Speaker 11: asked something, right.

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Speaker 5: That is difficult.

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Speaker 11: He has this ability to speak in long paragraphs that

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Speaker 11: don't actually say anything like they asked them pointed questions.

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Speaker 5: And he simply just avoided it.

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Speaker 11: He's able to speak in pithy, succinct terms when he's

675
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Speaker 11: talking about his radicalism right, and his Marxism is any Semitism.

676
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Speaker 11: He does that well, but he's actually faced with tough questions,

677
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Speaker 11: he goes to the you know, Kamala Harris world word

678
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Speaker 11: slid mode because he's just trying to he's just trying

679
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Speaker 11: to play out the clock, right, but it's talking in

680
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Speaker 11: a long winded way, and I think everybody in that

681
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Speaker 11: meeting really got nothing out of it. The reality is,

682
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Speaker 11: look I said it by my hot take is I

683
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 11: don't think he's gonna win. I think ultimately he's leading

684
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Speaker 11: the polls because the poll is being split right between

685
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Speaker 11: Cuomo and the current mayor, Eric Adams. I think ultimately

686
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Speaker 11: what's gonna happen is those same billionaires that Mondie was

687
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Speaker 11: speaking to, who had supported Cuomo significantly with millions and

688
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Speaker 11: millions of dollars in the Democratic primary, are something going

689
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Speaker 11: to have a conversation with Cuomo, who is at this

690
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Speaker 11: point not backing down because he is one of the

691
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Speaker 11: he really has one of the largest egos in all

692
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Speaker 11: of politics. That says a lot, right, and they're gonna say, look,

693
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Speaker 11: if you want a history, if you want I'm sorry,

694
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Speaker 11: if you want an abillion to come back at all ever,

695
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Speaker 11: for any other race, you got to back down from this. Right,

696
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Speaker 11: We'll support you for other things, but you're clearly not

697
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Speaker 11: going to win this race. Back out, Let's let's be

698
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Speaker 11: a one on one. And I think if that's the case,

699
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Speaker 11: Dad's going to lose. I think Eric Adam's way don't love,

700
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Speaker 11: but he is obviously in the lesser of two evils,

701
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Speaker 11: I think will win. And I think that's what how

702
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Speaker 11: it's going to play out.

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Speaker 2: And I think anyone who doesn't want government run supermarkets

704
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Speaker 2: is probably on the right track, particularly.

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Speaker 3: In the US.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: Lastly, there's been a huge focus obviously throughout the West

708
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Speaker 2: since October seven on this apparent genocide in Gaza. But

709
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Speaker 2: in recent recent days we've seen all these reports emerging

710
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Speaker 2: out Assyria about the massacre of Jews Drus populations by

711
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Speaker 2: the Jihadis who deposed the Assad regime. So what's happening

712
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Speaker 2: in Syria? And where are the protests in the West.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, it's so funny there's no protests in

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Speaker 11: the West.

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Speaker 5: Look, it reminds me of you know, there's never there's

716
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Speaker 5: never an outcry from the left.

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Speaker 11: On like black and black violence intercedes right that ever,

718
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Speaker 11: Like look, We have to put a stop of this

719
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Speaker 11: because the vast majority of black deaths in America are

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Speaker 11: from other black people. Now it's only when the rare circumstances,

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Speaker 11: when there's wet on black death.

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Speaker 5: Very similar.

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Speaker 6: Look, the.

724
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Speaker 11: Violence committed between sectarian violence, Muslim to Muslim violence is legion, right,

725
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Speaker 11: and it's in the millions of people who have died

726
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Speaker 11: in recent years, right. Just I mean you had in

727
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Speaker 11: the Syrian Civil war, get nearly three quarters of a

728
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Speaker 11: million people who were killed. Isis killed over was one

729
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Speaker 11: hundred thousand people in Iraq and Syria.

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Speaker 5: You heard nothing from the West when it came to that.

731
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Speaker 11: But when it comes to Israel, when it comes to

732
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Speaker 11: the Jews, who kill less than in the course of battle, right,

733
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Speaker 11: have not have killed less than fifty thousand people, half

734
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Speaker 11: of them combatants, right, which, by the way, I want

735
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Speaker 11: to stress again, is an unprecedented number of urban warfare.

736
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Speaker 5: We're in urban warfare.

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Speaker 11: The Urban Warfare Institute has said that ninety percent of

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Speaker 11: urban warfare deaths or civil in this case is fifty percent.

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Speaker 11: I think that speaks volumes how careful Israel is. No,

740
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Speaker 11: there's not a peep about it. Only you see attacks

741
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Speaker 11: on Israel. I think the whole incident is fascinating. And

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Speaker 11: I'll be quick, is that Syria. I don't know what

743
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Speaker 11: they're doing. I mean, Syria hasn't the new regime has

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Speaker 11: an ability to come to to polite society and to

745
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Speaker 11: the West, and Trump has created a piece deal with them.

746
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Speaker 11: They allowed Israel to overfly Syria to attack you Ron.

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Speaker 11: They had an ability to come to the table, to

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Speaker 11: moderate and be part of the Western and the and

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Speaker 11: the general world. And now they're they they're squandering that

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Speaker 11: by murdering these drus who are who are fellow Arabs

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Speaker 11: and who's coming their defense Israel. Israel is coming to

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Speaker 11: the defense of Arabs who are not Israelies because they

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Speaker 11: want to.

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Speaker 5: Put the slaughter to it end. I think the whole

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Speaker 5: thing is fascinating.

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Speaker 11: Of course, Israel get no credit from these Western jihadis.

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Speaker 2: No, but it's very very interesting to watch it play out,

758
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Speaker 2: and very interesting to watch the hypocrisy of the silence.

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Speaker 2: Army Horovitz, thank you so much for your time and

760
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Speaker 2: still to come to Kardashian sisters are on the outer

761
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Speaker 2: with their brother Brody, and it's not just the Kardashians.

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Speaker 2: Baseball legend Shaquille O'Neill has also found himself in a

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Speaker 2: bit of a tip.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Sky and Hiss contributor Louise Roberts. Louise,

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Speaker 2: Harry's been in in Angola this week, you know, following

767
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Speaker 2: in the footsteps of Princess Diana. What's his trip all

768
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Speaker 2: about and is it any more than a beij imitation.

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Speaker 10: Well, Caro, the Halo Trust is something that Harry's been

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Speaker 10: involved with for about fifteen years now, I think, and

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Speaker 10: he's been patron of it since about twenty nineteen, so

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Speaker 10: it's not his first trip to Angola. But the difference

773
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Speaker 10: this time is that he's going to be walking the

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Speaker 10: exact route that his mother, Diana did in nineteen ninety seven,

775
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Speaker 10: where the images, I mean, we're so used to seeing

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Speaker 10: them now, but at the time they were absolutely a

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Speaker 10: blockbuster sort of revelation, the fact that she was in

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Speaker 10: such a dangerous area and it was so profound and

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Speaker 10: brave of Diana to do this, and of course it

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Speaker 10: led to an international ban on landmines. So the fact

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Speaker 10: that he's doing the same walk, he's very nostalgic and look,

782
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Speaker 10: it is a bit of a carbon copy of what.

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Speaker 3: His mother did.

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Speaker 10: But I don't really have an issue with it because

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Speaker 10: I think Harry should be doing more in the space

786
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Speaker 10: of Diana's legacy. It's such a great thing to see

787
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Speaker 10: him working on charities where there is an impact globally,

788
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Speaker 10: rather than sort of complaining about his life or throwing

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Speaker 10: his family under a bus.

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Speaker 3: So it'd be interesting to.

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Speaker 10: See what coverage comes out of it, though, because he

792
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Speaker 10: has banned I believe the UK press he wants the

793
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Speaker 10: message to come through his own channels rather than I

794
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Speaker 10: guess the filter of Fleet Street. And of course Megan's

795
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Speaker 10: not going either, citing safety concerns. But to be honest,

796
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Speaker 10: that's more about Halo being his brand and not her brand,

797
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Speaker 10: because their careers are quite separate now, as.

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Speaker 2: You know, be very interesting to see how that all

799
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Speaker 2: gets framed afterwards. Still with the rules, and we've heard

800
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Speaker 2: much about this not so secret secret meeting between the

801
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Speaker 2: King and Harry's top aides.

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Speaker 3: There's been a suggestion that Megan could join in.

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Speaker 2: The royal peace talks, and is there any sign of

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Speaker 2: Prince William weighing in?

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Speaker 10: Well, the rehabilitation of Megan continues, doesn't it Carow, So

806
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Speaker 10: it's no accident that her name has been mentioned in

807
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Speaker 10: regard to these talks. But I'm certain that Willim would

808
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Speaker 10: want nothing to do with that, of course, And it's

809
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Speaker 10: interesting that he wasn't even told about the talks and

810
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Speaker 10: there was no request to his team to have one

811
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Speaker 10: of his representatives there at the club just near Clarence House.

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Speaker 10: They would be very cautious about in being involved in

813
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Speaker 10: these talks and being certainly being papped in that situation

814
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Speaker 10: as well. And on that note, I believe Harry and

815
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Speaker 10: Meghan are quote frustrated that there were pictures of this

816
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Speaker 10: secret talk. It's also interesting that Harry seems to be

817
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 10: going straight to the monarch, his father and by passing

818
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Speaker 10: his brother as the heir completely, which will give some

819
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Speaker 10: indication of where the true tension I think lies in

820
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Speaker 10: this dynamic. But let's hope it's a positive move forward

821
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Speaker 10: and not just another sort of mist photo opportunity as

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Speaker 10: it were.

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Speaker 2: And Luis, do you think though, that part of this

824
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Speaker 2: is that I think you know and that it's happening now,

825
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Speaker 2: is that Harry knows that that conversation needs to happen

826
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Speaker 2: with the King, and probably sooner rather than later, because

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Speaker 2: once the king's passed, I think they're to be even

828
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Speaker 2: more difficult for there to be that reconciliation.

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Speaker 3: I agree. I mean it's a conversation.

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Speaker 10: He has to drive, he has to extend that olive branch,

831
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Speaker 10: and he has to make peace with his father because,

832
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Speaker 10: as you say, once Charles has passed on, there's.

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Speaker 3: No opportunity for Harry to do that.

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Speaker 10: And I think William's made it pretty clear that he

835
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Speaker 10: won't be cutting him any slack in that department as well.

836
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Speaker 10: He's learned to operate within the royal framework without his

837
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Speaker 10: younger brother for all sorts of reasons. That's a very

838
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Speaker 10: sad situation for the brothers. But Harry really has to

839
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Speaker 10: patch things up with his father.

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Speaker 2: As you say, now, it won't surprise you that there's

841
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Speaker 2: a drama in the Kardashian household this time.

842
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Speaker 3: Two of the.

843
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Speaker 2: Sisters have skipped their brother, Brody's wedding.

844
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Speaker 3: What's happened here?

845
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Speaker 10: So Brody Jenna is a pro surfer and he got

846
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Speaker 10: married at the weekend. Now, Kendall and Kylie Jenner, of course,

847
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Speaker 10: are his half sisters. They share the same father, Caitlyn Jenna,

848
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Speaker 10: and they did not attend the wedding.

849
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Speaker 3: There was some sort of clash with.

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Speaker 10: Schedule or they didn't want to make the wedding about

851
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Speaker 10: them and sort of true Kardashian fashion, But it's really

852
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Speaker 10: more about a decade's long feud between Caitlin's ex wives.

853
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Speaker 10: Of course, there's Brody's mother, Linda Thompson, and there's Kylie

854
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Speaker 10: and Kendall's mother Chris Jenna, who apparently don't see eye

855
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 10: to eye and have not done for some time. So

856
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 10: the girls decided to sort of quietly admit themselves from

857
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Speaker 10: the spectacle. It was the wedding. Caitlin of course attended

858
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Speaker 10: because it is her son getting married, But yeah, less

859
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Speaker 10: about an RSVP situation, more about trying to keep the peace.

860
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Speaker 10: I think Kylie very much sees herself in the Kardashian camp.

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Speaker 10: I think Kendall tries to sort of broker the piece

862
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Speaker 10: and maybe be a bit neutral. And then there's their brother,

863
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 10: of course, who's very angry about everything, intends to blame

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Speaker 10: Chris for a lot of the drama. Of course he's

865
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Speaker 10: going to side with his own mother. But as you say,

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Speaker 10: it wouldn't be a Kardashian by extension wedding unless there

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Speaker 10: was some kind of drama.

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Speaker 3: It happens in every family, though, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Now, speaking of there's been plenty of coverage and commentary

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Speaker 2: around the Sanchez Bezos wedding, and even Sarah Jessica Parker

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Speaker 2: of Sex in the City fame. She reacted to that

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Speaker 2: Vogue front cover.

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Speaker 11: Lauren Sanchez Besos grasing the cover of Vogue.

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Speaker 5: Hello, lover or leave it?

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Speaker 14: I I mean, why shouldn't she? I was r she is, well,

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Speaker 14: had a row unity.

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Speaker 3: She held it in, well, didn't she? That was a

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Speaker 3: very carefully measured response, wasn't it.

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Speaker 10: Caro.

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Speaker 3: That's some media training we're seeing there as well.

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Speaker 10: And look, she's not going no matter her thoughts on

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Speaker 10: the wedding and the cover of Vogue, She's not going

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Speaker 10: to take on the wife of one of the richest

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Speaker 10: men in the world, is she, and sort of be

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Speaker 10: rude to her, which was good to say that she

886
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 10: was being quite diplomatic. And of course SJP herself knows

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Speaker 10: the value of a Vogue cover. It's not just about

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Speaker 10: the ink and the paper. It's very much a state

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Speaker 10: of symbol. And of course her character, Carrie Bradshaw, is

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Speaker 10: all about Vogue and writes for Vogue and has her

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Speaker 10: doomed first wedding with mister Bigg in the Vogue issue

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Speaker 10: as well, with Cannersbergen as her editor. Eat, it's a great,

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Speaker 10: a great episode for that. But yeah, very diplomatic, and

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Speaker 10: I don't think she'll be off their Christmas card list

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Speaker 10: anytime soon, which is probably good for her.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: I thought she handled that very very well.

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Speaker 2: It's still in the US and Basketball Hall of Famous

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Speaker 2: Sequille O'Neil. Well, he's had a bust up with former

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Speaker 2: NFL star Robin Griffin the Third.

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Speaker 3: What's this all over? So this is interesting.

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Speaker 10: So we've got Shaquille O'Neill threatening to punch Robert Griffin

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Speaker 10: the third, who's an NFL play so not even the

904
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Speaker 10: same sport really over two female sort of basketball legends

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Speaker 10: who apparently dislike each other immensely. And there's been a

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Speaker 10: lot of racism accusations around there. There's been terms used

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Speaker 10: which will be quite offensive. I'm not going to repeat

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Speaker 10: them here. But and of course Robert Griffin, IID has

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Speaker 10: said he's speaking his truth, and look, I always get

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Speaker 10: very concerned when a celebrity says that, because it doesn't

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Speaker 10: actually mean they're operating from a factual basis, it's more

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Speaker 10: about their interpretation of the facts.

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Speaker 3: So it's a bit of a mess.

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Speaker 10: It's got beyond a bit of a social media spack

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Speaker 10: between these two and protecting the two female stars, and

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Speaker 10: more about responsibility on social media platforms and making sure

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Speaker 10: that you're respectful and not getting involved in rouse or

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Speaker 10: stoking up rivalry between female plays when you have no

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Speaker 10: place to do so.

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Speaker 2: And funny when you've had all that media training Compared

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Speaker 2: to the last story we've just talked about, these guys

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Speaker 2: are not green and it's amazing the scuffle that they

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Speaker 2: found themselves in. And lastly, big celebrity news out of

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Speaker 2: the UK yesterday with former Harry potterstar Emma Watson losing her.

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Speaker 3: License for speeding.

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Speaker 2: Nice change from some of the two tier policing that

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Speaker 2: we can often observe.

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Speaker 3: Over in the UK. What's happened here is she.

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Speaker 10: Remorseful, Well, she didn't turn up in court, so it

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Speaker 10: was a five minute hearing and the fine was equivalent

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Speaker 10: of just over two thousand dollars Australian, and her lawyer

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Speaker 10: told the court well she could pay it, which clearly

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Speaker 10: she can because she's a wealthy celebrity, although she sort

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Speaker 10: of moved beyond the acting now and she's now a

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Speaker 10: thirty five year old writing student.

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Speaker 3: I believe.

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Speaker 10: So the system there's a bit different than in that

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Speaker 10: you actually accrue points and then you lose your license

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Speaker 10: rather than our demerit system here. So she had already

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Speaker 10: had nine points and sort of speeding.

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Speaker 3: She was about twelve.

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Speaker 10: K's twelve k's over lem and I believe that's what

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Speaker 10: sort of sealed her fate a driving band for six months.

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Speaker 10: I mean, she can probably afford a chauffeur, so it

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Speaker 10: won't impact her too much. But it's interesting because there

946
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Speaker 10: a whole brand prior to this has been very much

947
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Speaker 10: a gen Z role model and a UN ambassador and

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Speaker 10: sort of talking about a lot of wake issues. So

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Speaker 10: it's a bit of a departure from the image, I think,

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Speaker 10: isn't it. What Thank you very much, Louise Roberts, and

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Speaker 10: that's it from me up next to his newsnight, Good night,