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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannons.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Oscar Piastre claims his third Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: victory in a Shanghai Sunday cruise, and it's Hero to

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Speaker 1: zero four Ferrari, with Lewis Hamilton winning the sprint, but

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Speaker 1: both cars disqualified from the Grand Prix. My name is

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Speaker 1: Michael Lamonado. It's great to have your company and the

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Speaker 1: company of my co host. He's just got off the

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Speaker 1: phone with Christian Horner and he's next in line for

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Speaker 1: the Red Bull Racing drive. It's Matt Playton.

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Speaker 2: That's actually not too far from the truth, you know.

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Speaker 2: I reckon if I actually picked the phone up and

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Speaker 2: call Christian, perhaps what he's on the set of Drive

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Speaker 2: to Survive so he can pretend he's actually speaking to

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Speaker 2: a driver lock he did with Sergioperus a few series ago.

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Speaker 2: I reckon, I'd be half a chance of being in

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Speaker 2: the top five to get a drive for that team.

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Speaker 2: But yes, that's a topic we'll discuss a little bit

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Speaker 2: later on in this podcast, and a topic we've discussed

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Speaker 2: once or twice before.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, you at least know you're not last on

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Speaker 1: his list because that place is reserved for Yuki Sonoda.

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Speaker 2: Or is it home Manu.

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Speaker 1: A bit later on we got to start, of course

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Speaker 1: with Oscar Piastre and there is to the Chinese Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix big win for him, not just in the context

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Speaker 1: of where he's increased his victory tally by fifty percent,

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Speaker 1: third win of his career, and not just because it

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Speaker 1: was such a comprehensive weekend. They sort of had to

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Speaker 1: go back and think because he's become such an established

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Speaker 1: driver so quickly that actually, well, first pole position, win

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Speaker 1: from pole, almost led every lap with quite a few

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Speaker 1: laps and pretty much controlled the entire race. But that

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Speaker 1: picture of the championship, and it's way too early to

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Speaker 1: talk about points. Obviously he's now ten points behind Lando Norris.

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Speaker 1: But it's that idea that if this is going to

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Speaker 1: be an all McLaren tidle battle, you definitely don't want

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Speaker 1: to be the driver starting from a long way back,

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Speaker 1: kind of like he did last year when things started

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Speaker 1: to enter that championship winning picture. How important do you

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Speaker 1: think it was for him to claim this victory, And

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Speaker 1: of course a week after the Australia disappointment.

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Speaker 2: I think it was important to claim the victory for one,

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Speaker 2: I think it was important to claim a victory in

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Speaker 2: this manner. I think because you look at his previous

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Speaker 2: two wins where you know Hungary, there was all of

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Speaker 2: the team with Norris being in front after the pit stop,

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Speaker 2: and as Abaijan he was very attacking and then onto

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Speaker 2: the defensive from Charlote Claire. As we remember last year,

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Speaker 2: we've not had one of these race weekends for Oscar

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Speaker 2: where he's qualified really well and converted it in the

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Speaker 2: manner that these are the days that win you world

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Speaker 2: championships when you do what you're supposed to do in

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Speaker 2: the best car on the grid. We've seen that as

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Speaker 2: a tried and true recipe. So to get ahead of

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Speaker 2: Norris and qualifying for the first time I think it's

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Speaker 2: in the last nine races the first time he's outqualified him,

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Speaker 2: and then to convert that with a complete lack of fuss.

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Speaker 2: It was I wouldn't say an absolute thriller, bit roller

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Speaker 2: coaster right of a race, because he controlled it so

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Speaker 2: well that he didn't really give anybody else a look in.

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Speaker 2: So to my mind, it was more the way he

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Speaker 2: won it rather than that he actually won it. That

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Speaker 2: was the key. Thing, and these are the sorts of

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Speaker 2: of these together, they clearly have a car advantage. We

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Speaker 2: can see that after the first two rounds. These are

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Speaker 2: the days that put you in world championship contention rather

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Speaker 2: than these amazing rearguard actions or attacking drives that we

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Speaker 2: were talking about with Azerbaijahan. So an important win in

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Speaker 2: the context of how he wins races. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's going to be the last time we see it either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the qualifying I think point is a really important one,

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Speaker 1: considering he was belted in the qualifying head to head

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Speaker 1: by Lando last year. I think it was twenty to

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Speaker 1: but you know, it is certainly cumulatively not a good

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Speaker 1: look for him. It was the way that he was

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Speaker 1: I think is really important because there's there is an

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Speaker 1: to be title contending material. We don't know, because he

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Speaker 1: Lando found that extra gear late last year when he

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Speaker 1: Oscar fade a little bit in the final rounds. He

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Speaker 1: a big win. And something that Team Prince and Andrea

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Speaker 1: Stella brought up after the race is that he's dominated

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Speaker 1: at a track where last year he was pretty awful. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was early in the year, obviously, similarly early as

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Speaker 1: and the tire management was no good new surface admittedly,

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Speaker 1: but same layout. Obviously. I think that for me is

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Speaker 1: a really good comparison into the step he appears to

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Speaker 1: I think that sounds been really good. Stead.

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Speaker 2: It's part of the evolution, isn't it. I Mean we

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Speaker 2: cleverly in combat has been there, and the time management

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Speaker 2: that was where he had some problems. That improved last year.

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Speaker 2: It's still not perhaps as good as it needs to be.

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Speaker 2: That the arrow was definitely going up on that. But

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Speaker 2: then the thing last year was, well, you know, he

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Speaker 2: methodically ticking these boxes off as you go, step by step,

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Speaker 2: and you would hope that that would be the trajectory

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Speaker 2: to say that the qualifying has been a weakness. It's

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Speaker 2: it's the final frontier because you know, we still don't

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Speaker 2: because neither he, nor Norris or McLaren have actually been

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Speaker 2: maybe the title fight with a number of different drivers

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Speaker 2: from maybe, you know, the last two thirds of the season.

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Speaker 2: But to have a weekend like these and to show

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Speaker 1: This was McLaren's fiftieth one to finish in its history,

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Speaker 1: only it's third since twenty ten with Yes Button and

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Speaker 1: this one came in only the last few years, of course,

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Speaker 1: don't have all the information. But this was another race

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Speaker 1: the Ante this week and he said it is a

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Speaker 2: I thought their pace margin relative to the rest was

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Speaker 2: Not sure. I mean, George Russell was racing in twenty

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Speaker 2: Suzuka that's coming up in the next round, it's a

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Speaker 2: fantastic driver's track. I don't know if it's a fantastic

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Speaker 2: By the time we get to the end of round five,

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Speaker 2: you've almost got every type of track type characteristic that

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Speaker 2: Then if Nat McLaren goes five for five to start

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Speaker 2: the season in whichever order those drivers win, then perhaps

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Speaker 2: Joe Russell's comments have got a little bit of weight.

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Speaker 2: But you and I sat through twenty twenty three. There

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Speaker 2: are a lot of late nights. We used to joke,

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Speaker 2: used to laugh after lap one start writing your race

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Speaker 2: I don't think we're quite at that level of dominance yet,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think it's beyond the realms because the

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Speaker 2: But whether they have that sort of advantage that Verstappan

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Speaker 1: Matt to Ferrari and Lewis Hamilton. This was very much

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Speaker 1: that's what you want. But it does feel like we

433
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Speaker 1: might be entering into a little bit of random territory.

434
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Speaker 1: We know these cars are really peaky, and if we're

435
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Speaker 1: going from not even weekend to weekend, but day to day,

436
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Speaker 1: and even the teams aren't sure how their cars are

437
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Speaker 1: going to perform. I mean, on the one hand, you

438
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Speaker 1: could argue, well, that's pretty exciting. Who knows he's going

439
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Speaker 1: to win, But it's sort of I don't know a

440
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 1: little bit in two minds about it, but it sort

441
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Speaker 1: of makes you think, well, maybe we are really at

442
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Speaker 1: the end of life of these rules, because no one

443
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Speaker 1: seems to understand why the cars work or don't work.

444
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Speaker 1: So I think there's a little bit of that at

445
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Speaker 1: play in Ferrari as well. But they insist, you know,

446
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Speaker 1: as I said earlier, Fred Bastin says, well, look, you know,

447
00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 1: next week we could dominate, and then who knows what

448
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,439
Speaker 1: the story is going to be, and that won't and

449
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Speaker 1: I like it. Even that won't be convincing, you know.

450
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: After the split race he sort of said, oh, I

451
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 1: don't understand why we've won. We need to go and

452
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Speaker 1: figure it out. I think that kind of just sums

453
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Speaker 1: it up for Ferrari in my mind. And things really

454
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Speaker 1: only got worse after that, though, didn't they Because it

455
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Speaker 1: wasn't just about the bad performance. It was a double disqualification.

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Speaker 1: You're more You're more of a history buff than I

457
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Speaker 1: am in Formula one, so I want to ask you

458
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Speaker 1: this question. I don't know the answer to it, so

459
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Speaker 1: please don't feel pressure. When was the last time a

460
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Speaker 1: team had two cars disqualified but for different reasons.

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Speaker 2: What you're politely saying is that I'm considerably older than you,

462
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Speaker 2: which is correct. Yeah. Look, honestly, when that happened that

463
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Speaker 2: my first thought was go straight to Sean Kelly, Yeah,

464
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Speaker 2: and try and find out what's going on with this,

465
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Speaker 2: Because at virtual stapmads you go to with things like this.

466
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Speaker 2: I can remember Ferrari cars being disqualified, but not both

467
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Speaker 2: in the same race and for different reasons. I'm sure

468
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Speaker 2: Sean will come back and say in the nineteen fifty

469
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Speaker 2: eight non championship Targer Florio or something or other. He'll

470
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Speaker 2: have something at the moment. It's just so bizarrely. Look,

471
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Speaker 2: I remember Laclure getting disqualified in the USGP was at

472
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. I think it was a similar situation,

473
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Speaker 2: was like, and I think Hamilton was disqualified that day too,

474
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Speaker 2: but they were teammates of course at that point. But

475
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Speaker 2: maybe that's what I'm thinking of. But it's such a

476
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Speaker 2: bizarre thing to have two cars thrown out of Frankly,

477
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Speaker 2: Ferrari doesn't get out of bed to finish fifth and six.

478
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Speaker 2: So I don't think they're going to be crying too

479
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Speaker 2: much about it, other than the fact that they're now

480
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Speaker 2: fifth in the Constructor's Championship, equal with Williams, which is

481
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Speaker 2: another story. But after the race, look the underweight thing.

482
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Speaker 2: You can see how that may have happened for the

483
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Speaker 2: clear when this race became a one stop. It was

484
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Speaker 2: a little bit like George Russell at SPA last year,

485
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Speaker 2: wasn't it when what looked to be a nailed on

486
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Speaker 2: two stop ended up being a one stop tie? Where

487
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Speaker 2: is such that perhaps that had a factor in the

488
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Speaker 2: car coming so close to being the minimum weight but

489
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Speaker 2: being underneath it. So maybe that was a factor there.

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Speaker 2: The plank where thing to my mind with Hamilton's car,

491
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Speaker 2: is that not just a byproduct of you only have

492
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Speaker 2: one practice session, you're straight into sprint qualifying on Friday.

493
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Speaker 2: You don't get to do that really extensive long running

494
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Speaker 2: that you normally do it a Friday FP too, and

495
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: teams are always a little bit underdone on these sprint

496
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Speaker 2: weekends and it's not a case of cross your figures

497
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Speaker 2: and hope for the best, but they certainly don't have

498
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Speaker 2: anywhere near the amount of data running to put something

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Speaker 2: like that to bed, because I think that's something that

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Speaker 2: you would have determined, perhaps in a longer practice session

501
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Speaker 2: on the Friday and adjusting your right heights accordingly. But

502
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Speaker 2: it's funny these things, whether it's a coincidence or not,

503
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Speaker 2: these things tend to happen on sprint weekends, don't they.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, I was going to say exactly that, Like,

505
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's such a coincidence to say that

506
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Speaker 1: that's probably what's happened here, even though when it happened

507
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three to both Mercedes and Ferrari, and

508
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Speaker 1: there were suspicions a lot of other cars that weren't

509
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Speaker 1: checked probably had the same problem at that time. You

510
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Speaker 1: couldn't ad just set up after FP one or after

511
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Speaker 1: sprint qualifying. Now you can, like you say, you have

512
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Speaker 1: limited data to make those changes. Anyway, it's only really

513
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Speaker 1: the sprint race, which is much shorter than Grand Prix,

514
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Speaker 1: so it's not like you have that validation time. So

515
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Speaker 1: I think you're right. It's not that surprising, but it is.

516
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Speaker 1: I mean, it says two things, right. It says Ferrari's

517
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Speaker 1: pushing really hard to try and understand a car to

518
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Speaker 1: get the most out of the car, when they know

519
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have the capacity to build in a margin.

520
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Speaker 1: Considering both cars were disqualified for reasons, you'd say, what

521
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: to summit up Lewis Hamilin's cars run a little bit

522
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Speaker 1: too low and the curse cars run with a little

523
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Speaker 1: bit too much too little ballast is fundamentally whatever it is,

524
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Speaker 1: whatever reason the miscalculation was made, they were clearly pushing

525
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Speaker 1: hard against those limits. But to make that, to make

526
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Speaker 1: both mistakes on the same weekend, I think it's obviously

527
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Speaker 1: a bad loock to have both cars disqualified. But it's

528
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Speaker 1: just a little bit after Australia, where I think we

529
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Speaker 1: sort of said, oh, this is a bit had a

530
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Speaker 1: bit of a rough weekend execution wise, Well, this can

531
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Speaker 1: only be considered much worse if we're talking about Ferrari execution.

532
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Speaker 1: I think if this is going to be a title

533
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Speaker 1: contending year, I mean, obviously the loss of points this

534
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Speaker 1: weekend is going to count against them, but this kind

535
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Speaker 1: of execution style is going to count against them. It's

536
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Speaker 1: not as bad as McLaren was last year, but I

537
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Speaker 1: can't but think maybe they are at least a year

538
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Speaker 1: behind McLaren on that trajectory of becoming a championship ready team,

539
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Speaker 1: because so far from what we've seen from McClaren against

540
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Speaker 1: only two weekends and a lot and change, but they've

541
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Speaker 1: been really slick in that regard, really polished in a

542
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Speaker 1: way they weren't last year. It feels like Ferrari is

543
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: now putting up against that ceiling of needing to find

544
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Speaker 1: that next level in terms of preparation, and they're tripping

545
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Speaker 1: up on all the same Ferrari hurdles we've become used

546
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Speaker 1: to them a few years ago.

547
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Speaker 2: Well that's the key thing, isn't it, Because it's Ferrari.

548
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Speaker 2: We talk about this through a completely different prison because

549
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: we've seen what pre Vassur Ferrari was like. It was

550
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: pretty calamitous, pretty regularly calamitous. So I'm not saying it's

551
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Speaker 2: a revisit to the bad old days of how it

552
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Speaker 2: was before he took over, but there's definitely echoes of it.

553
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Speaker 2: And if this sort of thing happens to other teams,

554
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Speaker 2: I think we're having a really different discussion. It's because

555
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Speaker 2: it's Ferrari, and you know they clearly you look at

556
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: the driver lineup and the pedigree and where they should be. Look,

557
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Speaker 2: I mean, do we really stickly think their championship contenders

558
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 2: this year? No, but I think the building blocks of

559
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: what they do this year they need to clean all

560
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: this sort of stuff up because there is an opportunity

561
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 2: next year by virtue of the fact that we've got

562
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Speaker 2: this big regulation reset. They need to be completely on

563
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: it now. If you're going to be making mistakes the

564
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Speaker 2: first two rounds of a season, you know it's better

565
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 2: now than later, perhaps, But you don't want to have

566
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Speaker 2: too many more weekends like this because it feels like

567
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Speaker 2: they're kind of beating themselves to a point at the

568
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Speaker 2: moment and not achieving the results they should be for

569
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Speaker 2: things that they can control, and that's what you've got

570
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Speaker 2: to try and clean up.

571
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's look at the big well on and

572
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: off track story this week, and that is Red Bull Racing.

573
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Speaker 1: Another fine week well not fine, it's not what they want,

574
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: but fine weekend for Max withstaffn finished third and the

575
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Speaker 1: sprint forth in the Grand Prix. With that, as we mentioned,

576
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Speaker 1: unexpectedly reasonable pace late in the Grand Prix to pass

577
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Speaker 1: both Ferrari drivers and finish better than I think you expected.

578
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Speaker 1: But that he says, the car deserves, but it's the

579
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Speaker 1: car and the other car that is the talking point,

580
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Speaker 1: both the quality of the car and the driver in

581
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Speaker 1: the other car. Because Liam Lawson had another weekend to

582
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Speaker 1: forget twentieth in both qualifying sessions, failed to score in

583
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Speaker 1: either race. I mean it's not great, a good start.

584
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Speaker 1: Actually I enjoyed this one. Was that's the worst two

585
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Speaker 1: rounds of qualifying consecutively any drive in Red Bull history

586
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Speaker 1: has ever had. The closest was David Coulthard in two

587
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Speaker 1: thousand and six or seven when he qualified seventeenth and

588
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: nineteenth consecutively, So not quite as bad as eighteenth and twentieth,

589
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: but close. But was obviously a long time before Red

590
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Speaker 1: Bull had any kind of expectations to be a good team.

591
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Speaker 1: So it's not great whichever way you cut it. Alarmingly,

592
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: Matt though, we're not even two full weeks into this

593
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Speaker 1: season yet, two rounds into this season, and already Red

594
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Speaker 1: Bull Racing is considering dropping Liam Lawson. I mean they couldn't,

595
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Speaker 1: could they?

596
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: Yes, they could because they're red I mean you mentioned,

597
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: you know the quality of the driver in the second

598
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Speaker 2: car and the performance of the second car. If this

599
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Speaker 2: podcast existed in twenty nineteen, you could have said that

600
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: exact same sentence. Because this is Red Bull Racing's Daniel

601
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: Riccardo problem, and I've framed it as this a couple

602
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: of times before, and people look at him and say,

603
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: what are you talking about. They have not found a

604
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Speaker 2: competent second driver in that team since Riccardo left at

605
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: the end of twenty eighteen. This has been a problem

606
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Speaker 2: that you use the analogy of kicking the can down

607
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Speaker 2: the road. I'm not sure how much is left of

608
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: his can at this point. Are so scuffed by bitchuman,

609
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: but they've just kept booting this thing down the road

610
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: for year after year after year. Before we go down

611
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: that path, Can I just say something nice about Red Bull,

612
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: because I think we should probably temper it a little bit.

613
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: Max Verstappen is driving incredibly well at the moment given

614
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: what it is that he has to drive, what he's

615
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: doing in that car. He's second in the World Championship.

616
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: Now he's not probably going to stay there. But what

617
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: he's achieving with what he's been given to drive right

618
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: now is absolutely outstanding. So if I had a hat,

619
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: I would be tipping it to Max Forstappen right now.

620
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: But this second car in your original question, they couldn't

621
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Speaker 2: drive Billy and Lawson after two races, could they? They couldn't.

622
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: Probably would like to hand on heart. Yes it's bad.

623
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Speaker 2: It's really bad at the moment. And you know there's

624
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: all the caveats about he'd never raced anything in Melbourne,

625
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: he went to Shanghai a million years ago, so on

626
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: and so forth, compared to how long they hung on

627
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: to Sergio Perez, where it was demonstrably bad that it

628
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: cost them two places in the Constructors Championship in the

629
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: year they won the Driver's World Championship. For Lawson to

630
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: be on the chopping block after two races is completely insane,

631
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: for one, and completely in keeping with what an absolute

632
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: rabble this driver pipeline has turned into. And while I'm

633
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: on my soap box here, this could be like a

634
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: ten minute monologue. So they put the catalog. This is

635
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: the bit that I don't get right. I'm going to

636
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: bounce this off. This is a bit I don't get

637
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: Red Bull has two teams. Theoretically they have double the

638
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: chance of any other team of getting this right because

639
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: they have a pool of four drivers can put in

640
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: Formula one seats and not two. For this to be

641
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: a worse situation than any other team at finding two

642
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: competent drivers is absolutely crazy to me. You've literally got

643
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: almost an unfair advantage in air quotes to get this

644
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: more right than every other team, and you routinely get

645
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: it wrong year after year after year, and the same

646
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: people are in the same management positions, and we have

647
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: the same conversation. Would it be very harsh on lem

648
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: laws and to get the boot after two rounds, particularly

649
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: with A we've got tripleheader coming up. B We're off

650
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: to Suzuka next, so there's none of this. He hasn't

651
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: driven here, He's done a full season of super Formula.

652
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: He knows Suzuka really well. He has raced in Formula

653
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: one there and being good. It would be bonkers to

654
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: get rid of him before the next race. And what

655
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: are you going to do if you do get rid

656
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: of him, You're going to put Yuki Sonoda in there,

657
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: who you've basically told for five years isn't competent to

658
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: be the second driver next to Max Ofastappan. That's a

659
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: very very long winded way of saying. Is it insane

660
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: that they could drop Lawson? Yes? Do I'm more than

661
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: half expected to happen given that team's track record. Also, yes,

662
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: but I'll climb down off my site box and give

663
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: you a go on it. How are you reading this situation?

664
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: Because after what they did last year with Perez, I

665
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: thought keeping him on was possibly the silliest thing they've

666
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: ever done for as long as they did, but this

667
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: might actually top it if they get rid of Lawson

668
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: after two weekends.

669
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's just pure panic at this point,

670
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: isn't it, Because there's no rational reason to drop him.

671
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: Obviously hasn't scored any points and so you can say, well,

672
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: there's a championship reason to do it. But it's so

673
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: early that you can only describe this as panic. I

674
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: think if they do bring if they bring Yuki Sonoda in,

675
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: it is one of the great monumental political batflicks backflips

676
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: in formud one history. Because, as you said, for years now,

677
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: they've told him he's not going to do it. He said,

678
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: he got phone. You've got three different phone calls when

679
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: Liam Lawson got the drive from various Red Bull management

680
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: figures explaining to him that oh, you know, it's this

681
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: and that, telling him essentially in a bunch of different ways,

682
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: that they just don't want him. Christian Horner called him

683
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: the perennial bridesmaid last year and said essentially that he'd

684
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: be dropped at the end of this year because there's

685
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: no reason for them to keep him because he's never

686
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: getting a Red Bull Racing.

687
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: Drive and no Hondolins either.

688
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: Yes, and even Honda has now said well, at this

689
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: point it's sort of up to him and it'll be

690
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: interesting to see how that evolves, depending what happens the

691
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. So the idea that he might

692
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: get the drive now is just it is absurd. It's absurd.

693
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: The point Red Bull has put itself in here, but

694
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: it's a problem, as you've said, completely of its own making.

695
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: Had a lot of decisions to make in the middle

696
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: of last year, and you can't help but wonder we've

697
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: sort of run through some of the scenarios in the

698
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: background of this at an article at Fox sports dot

699
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: Com at a usually go and read that was published

700
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: on Monday afternoon last year. It decided suddenly that it

701
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: would retain Sir Joe Perrys in August at the mid

702
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: season break after a pretty terrible run into the mid

703
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: season break that continued after it. That subsequently meant Daniel

704
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Ricardo was sacked after a few more rounds at the

705
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: Singapore Grand Prix. We all remember, we sh meant Liam

706
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: Lawson was brought in for a few races to for

707
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: a reason that really in retrospect isn't clear, because clearly

708
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: they weren't going to put Yuki Sinoda in the seat.

709
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: They already knew that Lawson was quick enough to be

710
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: in Formula one and that seems to have been the

711
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: only criteria to get the promotion once Pais was dropped

712
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. But as a result,

713
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: several things happened, right They were on a trajectory to

714
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: put a driver with eleven Grand Prix into a Red

715
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: Bull Racing seat the hardest in Formula One, not only

716
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: because their teammates with Max, but because the car is

717
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: so difficult to drive, and was so difficult to drive

718
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: last year that even Max couldn't drive it. Let's not

719
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: forget for a few races around about the Italian Grand

720
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: Prix even he said this is too much, and clearly

721
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: the progress this year has been minimal on that front.

722
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: It dispensed with the only experienced driver in its lineup

723
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: that has a history of success at Red Bull Racing,

724
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: which was Daniel Ricardo. Now we can argue about whether

725
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: or not a driver who failed to adapt to the

726
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: Claren car and was okay against Yuki Sinoda would have

727
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: been able to cut it. You could also argue, though,

728
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: on the other hand, that well, that's where he's driving

729
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: style was developed in cars built by Red Bull, so

730
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: surely having brought him back to racing balls or whatever

731
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: it was called at the time, he was worth a crack,

732
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: considering that at this point they were at the bottom

733
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: of the batrel with no decisions to make. But then,

734
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: most of all, the driver that they've spent millions in

735
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: developing with Honda, they've continued to let wither on the vine.

736
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: It's almost like they've chosen the most difficult option and

737
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: had hoped that that would be enough that they'd pull

738
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: it out of the bag. That would be a miracle move.

739
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: But it just doesn't make any sense that the logical

740
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: decision making there. And I think there's also another element here,

741
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: And I thought it was interesting that Liam himself sort

742
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: of pointed to it on Sunday night. He didn't use

743
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: his excuse. He's been really trying to front up and

744
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: cop all the responsibility in the blame. And I guess

745
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: not a lot else you can do when you're qualifying last.

746
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: But he said, compared to all the other rookie drivers

747
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: who've had in some cases thousands of kilometers of testing

748
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: in previous editions of their team's cars, And think of

749
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Andre kim Antonelli year, even Jack Do and a few others,

750
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: despite him being a red bull driver, he's had almost

751
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: none the odd test here and there. Often they've been

752
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: in Alpha TAWI or RV or racing bulls cars when

753
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: you want to call them. So there's a Minati thrown

754
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: in there as well, but didn't have that testing program.

755
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: I mean the car that is now notoriously difficult to drive,

756
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: and after only not even one and a half days

757
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: of preseason testing, considering he lost a lot of his

758
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: sole day to both weather and technical problems. Remarkably, that

759
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: is a pretty difficult position to be in. And you know, okay,

760
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: there's all those people have to say. Oh, you know,

761
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: if one's not a finishing school and you're not on anything,

762
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: you've got to be the finished product whatever. That's a

763
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: pretty raw way to come into a team that expects,

764
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: probably against realistic expectations, to try and win both championships

765
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: this year. So it's a rough way to be But

766
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: I think whatever way you cut it, Red Bull Racing

767
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: has continuously, through its decision making, made this problem for

768
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: itself and now it's panicking and doesn't know what to

769
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: do about it.

770
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: Panic's a good word, by the way, f one's not

771
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: a finishing school, thank you, Mark Webber, one of his

772
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 2: favorite sayings. So if that's the case, maybe maybe signed

773
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 2: Carlos Science when he's available. He'd probably be a pretty

774
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: decent candidate for that second seat. But that's another story.

775
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: But your point on Lawson not being able to just

776
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: hammer around a bunch of testing tracks like Antonelli did

777
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: last year is really valid, and you do wonder that

778
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: there's no pace or statistical justification for having Ricardo in

779
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: the car for the back half of last year. If

780
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: they'd gotten rid of Perez at the mid season break,

781
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: which was being mooted, at least we would have got

782
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: some sort of decision on whether Daniel was the right

783
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: person for the job if you put him in for that.

784
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: Because the Constructors Championship was toased at that point, that

785
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: wasn't happening, So I'm not really sure what you're going

786
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: to lose by actually finding out whether he could adapt

787
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: to that car. You had probably a seven or eight

788
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: race sample size. The answer, based on the evidence that

789
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: we've seen before, was probably not. But then at least

790
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: Lawson gets to do all of the getting all the

791
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: bugs out and doing all that outside of the spotlight,

792
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: like Antonelli did, like Jack Doing did. As you mentioned,

793
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: maybe that was the right course of action in retrospect,

794
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: but this is the question. So say they make the

795
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: swap for Suzuka and Yuki Sonoda, who they've publicly rejected

796
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: a thousand times at this point ends up in the

797
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: seat next to a Stappan. Why is he going to

798
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: do any better in a car that's clearly got its

799
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: limitations and is clearly going to be difficult to drive

800
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: for anyone else other than one of the best drivers

801
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: in the history of Formula One. And the parallel that

802
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: I'll make here taking two wheels off here and putting

803
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: my motor GP hat on is We only really found

804
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: out how bad Honda was when Mark Marskeys got injured

805
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, because he papered over the cracks of

806
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: where that bike was going developmentally for the latter part

807
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: of the twenty tens and just kept winning world championships

808
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: because he was Mark Marquez. And as soon as he

809
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: got injured and was not himself for the best part

810
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: of four years, that bike and that program went absolutely nowhere.

811
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: It was probably hiding in plain sight, but he was

812
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: so brilliant that he was papering over the cracks. And

813
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: you look at what Vstapan's done at Red Bull the

814
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: last couple of years, yes, twenty twenty three. It was

815
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: clearly a fantastic car, so fantastic in fact, that even

816
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: Sergia Perez WANs and races in it, but as soon

817
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: as it became a difficult car. We saw what he

818
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: did last year, particularly in the back half of last year.

819
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: That's not a championship that too many other drivers would

820
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: have won last year, and I think that's where you

821
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: see his quality. The fact that he's scratching around trying

822
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: to get random fourth places out of a car that's

823
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: clearly more difficult this year than last shows you a

824
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: how good he is and b how much that car

825
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: has lost its way. So if you stick Yuki Sonoda

826
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: in there, or Christian Horner wakes up one morning and says,

827
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: let's get Avid Lindbladd in here, let's get him a

828
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: super license, or they go and get Valterie Botass off

829
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: the Mercedes bench or something to put in that second car,

830
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: why is it going to be any better than Lawson,

831
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: who a few weeks ago they were investing in him

832
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: and they were going to give him time. I go

833
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: back to what I said originally, he has got to

834
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: be in the car for Suzuka because that takes one

835
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: variable off the table. He knows the circuit probably better

836
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: than any circuit on the Formula one calendar, and he

837
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: raced there before. If it's this bad again after Suzuka,

838
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: then knock yourself out. Fine, somebody else to put that

839
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: second seat. The question is if it's not him, then

840
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: who is it?

841
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: Yeah? And if they do make the swap and Yuki

842
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: so to qualify as eighteenth at his first race, then

843
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: what do you do? What do you do after that?

844
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: And I think that's the more philosophical, the deeper question here,

845
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: And to return to your Honda analogy, because I think

846
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: it is a really good one and it's interesting that

847
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: we have two, i think, very similar examples in two

848
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: different sports. If Maxwstaffen were to leave the team at

849
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: the end of the season, as is often being rumored,

850
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: are you going to tell me that whoever replaces him

851
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: alongside Liam Lass? And Nuki said, whoever are going to

852
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: be qualifying this car? Okay, we're different rules next year,

853
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: but whatever, just at the back and we'll just have

854
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: to assume that Red Bull Racing is a midfield at

855
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: best car when in the hands of someone like maximstaff

856
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: and it's capable of finishing on the podium. It's a

857
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: question that Red Bull Racing has to grapple with and

858
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: it's sort of interesting because next year's car is all

859
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: theoretical at this point, right, but it's being built by

860
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: the same people we've seen in the past. Similar characteristics

861
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: carry across even quite significant regulation changes, even if the

862
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: car ultimately behaves in a different way. What guarantees there

863
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: that you build a car that isn't as extreme to

864
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: drive as this because this is all you've known for

865
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: the last now what is it seven or eight years

866
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: since Daniel left, probably including the last year or two

867
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: of Daniel's career there. I think that that is a

868
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: bigger question for Red Bull Racing because the second that,

869
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: like Honda learned, the second your main guy leaves, you're

870
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: in a lot of trouble and you were on the

871
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: back foot and you were possibly years away from returning

872
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: to where you thought you were because you only have

873
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: access to drivers who are not the greatest of the generation.

874
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: Well, Marquees was world chairmaned in twenty nineteen, hurt himself

875
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: in the first race of twenty twenty and missed the

876
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: rest of that season, and Honda has not fired a

877
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: shot since. Marquez won a few races when he came

878
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: back with one working shoulders because he's Mark Marquez and

879
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: there were a few anti clockwise tracks in there, and

880
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: Alex Rinz won one race for them in twenty twenty three,

881
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: and they have basically been nowhere for six years. To

882
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: think of a manufacturer that just won Constructors championships for

883
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: fun in that s for so many years. You think

884
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: of that repsol hon the bike and all the amazing

885
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: riders that rode on it, and they've been an absolute

886
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: after thought since the one difference maker they had was

887
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: first injured and second left. And this is the conundrum

888
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: that Red Bull is now in because you look at

889
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: these other teams. McLaren's got this settle driver lineup of

890
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: two guys on a similar age range and trajectory. Ferrari

891
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: has Charla Clair, who's the peer of that generation and

892
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: the greatest driver statistically in world championship history as his teammate,

893
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: and Mercedes says Antonelli, who's eighteen and clearly the future,

894
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: and George Russell's not half bad either. But it's just

895
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: such a mess. But as you said before, it's a

896
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: mess of its own making, and you do wonder what

897
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: the course of action needs to be now so publicly

898
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: go against what they said about laws and so soon

899
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: into a twenty four race season where he hasn't had

900
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: a chance to drive circuits that he's actually raced on before.

901
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: Would be completely crazy, but because it's them, I'll actually

902
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: believe it.

903
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: If it happens, only team you'd believe. And of course

904
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a driver market situation without Franco Colopindo's

905
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: name being mentioned only very briefly here, but reports out

906
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: of Spain suggests that Red Book could be returning to

907
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: that well is of course the reserve driver at Alpine.

908
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: I think there's probably more of a contract play there,

909
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: just reinforcing to Alpine, which I think. I don't know

910
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: if you'd say they've been impressed with Jack Douhan, but

911
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: certainly with his speed because he's been a match pretty

912
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: much with pire gasllyin qualifying. No has a pretty ordinary

913
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: set of races in China, but nonetheless has been quick.

914
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: You know, if you're Franco Colopindo's management thinking, oh, actually,

915
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: hang on, it might be in a little bit of

916
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: trouble here because Franco was quick, but he wasn't, by

917
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: any stretch outstandingly quick. Maybe you're just saying, well, we've

918
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: got options if you're not going to promote us and

919
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: our sponsors to the main seat.

920
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: So I'm just scratching Franco Colopinto off my podcast Bingo

921
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: kar because we're contractually obliged to mention him. But the

922
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: curiosity for me, so if he ends up in a

923
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: Red Ball, so if.

924
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: You wouldn't rually going to straight to Red Bull Racing

925
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: either or you're considering.

926
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: Very possibly, But who's getting the transfer payment there? Given

927
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: he's a Williams driver on loan to alp and he'll

928
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: be on loan to Red Bull at this point, Colopino

929
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: might just drive for every team between now the end

930
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: of the season.

931
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: He's the ultimate subletting situation. Decision could be made as

932
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: soon as this week, or we might be hanging out

933
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: to Japan. Who knows. Maybe Red Bull just choose not

934
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: to turn up and answer no questions as a result.

935
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: I'll wait and see, But that does seem like a

936
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: timely time to make a couple of big predictions. Thanks

937
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: to our complete home filtration Crystal Ball, we've got a

938
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: couple of established rules. Now. I guess you can make

939
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: any prediction you like next week, next month. Twenty twenty

940
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: nine f one Supercarsman and GP. Whatever you want, so

941
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: why don't you kick us off? Matt? What's your bold prediction?

942
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: I am looking ahead to this tripleheader with Japan, Bahrain

943
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: and Saudi Arabia. The last two horrible time zone for

944
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: Australian fans, one for the enthusiast. Japan's fantastic because it's Japan.

945
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: I don't think McLaren's going to win the first five

946
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: races of the season, and I think they're going to

947
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: lose one of these next three races in Japan, bar

948
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: Rain and Saudi. And my prediction is that standing on

949
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: the top step of the podium, because of their mercurial

950
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 2: form at the moment, is going to be a Ferrari driver.

951
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: I think charlote Clare's going to win one of those

952
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: three bases.

953
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: Nice I like it a lot. I'm going to go

954
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: with also one for this triple header, but specifically the

955
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: Japanese Grand Prix. I'm not going to predict this Red

956
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: Bull driver situation because good luck with that. A mug's

957
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: game with Red Bull, but I am going to predict

958
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: that regardless of the team, Yukisy Nota will stand on

959
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: the podium at his homegrown prox. Oh wow, you can

960
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: decide why or what happens. I haven't looked at the

961
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: weather forecast in Japan, but I just think regardless of

962
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: whether he's either going to get to Red Bull and

963
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: he's having a great time because he's in such good

964
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: form and I think he's got the right I think, weirdly,

965
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: he's got the right mindset as a result of all

966
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: the shenanigans that have happen in the last twelve months.

967
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: I think he's just sort of stealed himself with this

968
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: being his lot and he's just got to make the

969
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: most of it. But on the other hand, he's been

970
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: in really great form, even for racing bulls, you know.

971
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: I like that. Max sort of suggested, well, they're pretty

972
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: close to me, and it shows you how much easy

973
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: the car is to drive. You know, it'll be interesting.

974
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if the car is going to suit

975
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: the circuit, but I just think he's been doing such

976
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: a good job of kind of proving Red Bull wrong

977
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be the ultimate performance one

978
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: way or another.

979
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: I do like that, and I would like it even

980
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: more if it was in a racing bulls car rather

981
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: than a Red bull Car because you look at the

982
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: Constructors Championship after these first two rounds, to see them

983
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: down where they are and only three points is absolutely

984
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: no way representative of how fast that team's been so far.

985
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: You look at both Sonoda and Hadji were both really

986
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: quick in China. The car actually looks like something that's

987
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: predictable and you can get a lap time out of

988
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: They just have been incredibly unlucky with crash damage, a

989
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: few operational erarors and what have you, so a big result.

990
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: They kind of feel due for that. But wow, a

991
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: Japanese driver on our home podium. I was there the

992
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: last time that happened, Kamu Kobe Ashy, and I know

993
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: that you'll be in Suzuka. Seeing a Japanese driver on

994
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: their home podium is one of the great joys of

995
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: covering international motorsports. So for your sake, I hope it

996
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: comes true.

997
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: Yes, I'd love to see it. A great story the way,

998
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: but that's all the time. We have a pit Talk today.

999
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,760
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1000
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,400
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1001
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Speaker 1: as well. This weekend, a reminder is the America's Grand Prix.

1002
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: That's six am Eastern daylight time on Monday, or even better,

1003
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: the sprint is at seven am on Sunday morning. Very civil.

1004
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,680
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1005
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: Supercars and MotoGP news at foxsports dot com dot au.

1006
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: From Matt Clayton and me, Michael Lomonado. Thanks very much

1007
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Speaker 1: for your company. We'll catch you next week.