1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Look, there is a lot going on in kids' lives, 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: particularly kids that come from dysfunctional families, and I learn 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: a fair bit about that over the weekend because I 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: spent yesterday and Saturday at Yankin in a station in 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: the Northern Flinders Ranger. It's not far from Lyndhurst. Next up, 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Mari Operation Flinders run their camps for young people and 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: young people who are having difficulties in life, not young 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: people who've been in trouble with the law or any 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: who have been through court and through the juvenile justice system. 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: It's not for them, but it is for kids growing 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: up dysfunctionally in dysfunctional families, and a lot of what 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: you've said, Gary goes to the heart of this. Kids 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: in dysfunctional families where the parents don't care, are nonexistent, 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: are passed out, whatever the case may be, and the 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: kids are essentially growing up fending for themselves. Now here's 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: an example of that. There's about one hundred kids at 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: the moment right now up at young an Inn station 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: with a team leader and assistant team leader. They're in 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: school groups. All per group are from the same school, 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: although they may not necessarily know each other apart from 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: seeing somebody on the playground or whatever. They've been identified 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: by the school as kids who would benefit. Now sometimes 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: it's just the teachers wanting them out of the classroom 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: because they're disruptive, so go away for a week or two. 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: They walk one hundred plus kilometers over the eight days 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: there there. Meals are in place when they reach their 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: campsite and on the last night, and here's the thing 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: about this dysfunction, a cake is presented to the kids 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: to celebrate the end of their journey. And you might think, well, 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: that's nice, but here's the sad thing, the terribly sad thing. 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: Some of these kids, because of their upbringing, have never 32 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: had a cake baked for them before, never a birthday cake, 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: never a party. They live off fast food, canned food, 34 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: whatever they can scrounge up, because essentially there's no one 35 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: caring for them and no one to tell them that 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: they're loved, and so their life derails. It's a terribly 37 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: sad upbringing, but it's rule for many kids, having kangaroo 38 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: tail stew prepared for them by local indigenous people as 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: one of the things they do up there at night 40 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: time and hear about the stories of the land around 41 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: that region. To them, that's a luxury. And one group 42 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: I caught up with you'll hear from them in a tick. 43 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: Looking forward to it for dinner. I'm going to play 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: you over the week, including right now, some of their 45 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: stories and meet some of the volunteers who give up 46 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: their time to make the camp the success it's become. 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: They've just celebrated. And up there right now is the 48 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: ten thousandth student in thirty three years since Operation Flinders 49 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: has been running. They're hoping for donations. They need more 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: volunteers to get more kids up there more quickly. They 51 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: don't want to spend another thirty three years and just 52 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: ten thousand. They want to get the next ten thousand 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: through far more quickly. I was thrilled to be there 54 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: and do some of the activities, including ab sailing down 55 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: a pretty steep wall but good fun. Really enjoyed it 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: and got to meet some of the people behind the 57 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: scenes of volunteers, people who give up their time to 58 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: make it all happen, including this man. Have a listen 59 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: here at Operation Flinders. There's a lot of cogs in 60 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: the wild to make it all work, to give the 61 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: kids out in the field and there's ten different groups 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: depending on each camp, and around one hundred kids in 63 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: total in different areas of a massive reserve yankin in 64 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: the station out here in the Northern Flinders. The man 65 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: who makes it all work, commodore Paul Kinghorn, who is 66 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: has had forty six years in the Navy, by the way, 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: served in team are in all sorts of places. Is 68 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: now the executive director, or close enough. He'll tell me 69 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: of this wonderful exercise. Paul, good morning. What is your title? 70 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: I'm the exercise commander. 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: Thank you. I got that wrong, So Paul, tell me 72 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: about this. You're in charge, as I said, a lot 73 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: of moving parts to this, what's involved. 74 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: There's a lot of planning, which a lot of it 75 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: these days is done by the people back at Edwardstown, 76 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: which makes my job a lot easier. 77 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: But my main job is keeping people safe. 78 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: I've got up to one hundred participants fought, between forty 79 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: and fifty volunteers out in the field with the young 80 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 3: people spread over three hundred square kilometers, as I said 81 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: to you this afternoon, probably an hour and a half 82 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 3: drive some cases. But it's all about safety. We need 83 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: to keep the young people safe as they go on 84 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 3: their journey whilst they're out here. 85 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: It's such an important thing, isn't it When you think 86 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: about what you're doing, you keep coming back. This is 87 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: how many times? 88 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: This is my thirty first trip? 89 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 1: Unreal? What other things have you done here up here? 90 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: The roles I've done, It's been assistant team leader, team leader, 91 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 3: the spare team leader, it was a supernumerri, been the 92 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 3: operations officer, the second in command, and probably twenty or 93 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 3: twenty one of my. 94 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: Thirty one trips have been as the exercise commander. 95 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 3: Why do you keep coming back because it does make 96 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 3: a difference when the research that I'm sure David Walk 97 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: talked about shows that this does make a difference, even 98 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: little things like my wife and I has done Amanda, 99 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 3: she's done twenty two of these who were flying across 100 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: last year the year before and the senior flight attendant 101 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 3: on the Corners flight said, thank you. What do you 102 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 3: mean because we're flop we flow across in our off 103 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: Flinders gear and she said, I don't want. 104 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: You to my son, but wow yeah. 105 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: Or it might be in Jamestown at the petrol station 106 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: filling up on the way up, or somewhere it's just 107 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 3: that anecdotal stuff is just as important as the proper research. 108 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: That's incredible, isn't it. And what a warm feeling that 109 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: must be when people out of the blue approach it is. 110 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: And on this exercise, I think one of the support 111 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: stuff I may be wrong, used to be a participant. Okay, 112 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: we have a number of even the team leaders and 113 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: the ATLS assistant team leaders who have been participants in 114 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: the past, and they come back because it does make 115 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: a difference. And then the young people might light bulb 116 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: moment might happen out here in the seven or eight 117 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: days they're out here, or it might happen in a 118 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: year's time, nothing else. They form a bond with each 119 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: other because even though they go to the same school 120 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: doesn't mean they know each other. They're on the same 121 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: journey where everyone has a bad day. The EXOS commander 122 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: has a bad day. So the people who are supporting me, 123 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: the two I see in offs people will help me. 124 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: But the young people out there have got the four 125 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: adults helping them, plus their mates or their new mates 126 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: in the group. 127 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: And that's so important because the bonding is obviously critical 128 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: to it all, and they help each other as they 129 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: go through the eight days and end up relying on 130 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: each other to do some of the activities such as 131 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: the big climb. 132 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: The high ropes or the ab sail, even climbing Mount 133 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 3: Rose or yad Lamora. 134 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: It does make a difference nothing else. 135 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: They're out there, got that shared experience that these adults 136 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: made them. 137 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: Do stuff and they did it. 138 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: Some of them, unfortunately, have their home life is less 139 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: than what we probably experience. And they've got some adults 140 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: they can trust. So they've got the two support staff 141 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: that come from the school. They were on a journey 142 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: with those two adults, and if they need somebody when 143 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: they're back in Adelaide or Kuman Duke or Port Lincoln, 144 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: Victor Harbor, they go, oh, mister sign so or missus 145 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: so and so he fell over on Mount Rose and 146 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: we helped him, or he helped he helped us. 147 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's a wonderful thing to do. 148 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, commod author so long and in the Navy 149 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: particularly for so long, and these team or I know 150 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: you don't want to talk about that so much, but boy, 151 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: that's a terrific service and it must be playing into 152 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: that experience into what you do here. 153 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it does, but that's the leadership thing, 154 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: been learning to rely on the people, the other volunteers 155 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: who can help you make the right decisions to look 156 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: after the young people. But it's not as it probably 157 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 3: used to be thirty odd years ago. Boot camp is 158 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: not yelling and jumping doesn't work like that. We're working 159 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: as a team to support one hundred young people out 160 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: in the field. 161 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: And they want to be listened to, ultimately, don't they 162 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: because perhaps that's what's lacking. 163 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: They do, and as David Walk said to you last week, 164 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: the conversations around the fire are really really empowering. They 165 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: feel listened to and they might come out with something 166 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: that then weren't prepared to share with others. But they 167 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: feel comfortable around the fire and it's wonderful. 168 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: One of the team leaders today called that out back 169 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: TV the fire and sitting around because that's where the 170 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: interaction happens. That's the entertainment I suppose. 171 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: It is, and you don't need electricity for that. And 172 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: it's just magic. Anyone who's been camping and allowed to 173 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 3: have a fire, maybe not national parks, but allowed to 174 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: have a fire. 175 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: Just looking there, it's mesmerizing. 176 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed what got you into this in the first place. 177 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: A cut of long story short. 178 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 3: My wife Amanda worked with a lady called Abbey who 179 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: happens to be so on this operations officer on this 180 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 3: exercise in Sydney in nineteen eighty four, and forty years 181 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: later they're still friends. Abby moved to Adelaide, met Shane 182 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: who's out with team number four, which is Glenunga School, 183 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: and Abby did a walk forty in twenty ten. Her 184 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: fiftieth birthday party was a fundraiser for Operation in Flinders. 185 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: Amanda and I flew across from Canberra and we did 186 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 3: it and thirteen years thirty one trips for me and 187 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: twenty two for Amanda. 188 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: Later here we are. 189 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: What's Amanda do here? 190 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: She is being an assistant team leader twenty times and she 191 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 3: also does a base camp role doing the resources so 192 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: logistics support on exercise to support them out there. 193 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: This is something that I know, all those tuples between you, 194 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: fifty odd trips. You thoroughly endorse this with't you? 195 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: Yes, I do. 196 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 3: And someone did some numbers the other day about the 197 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 3: adults the up Flinders from years on this exercise. Because 198 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the ten thousand participant. 199 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 2: It's only the number of walks. It's something like. 200 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: Three thousand people have been directly impacted by the people 201 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 3: just on this exercise. 202 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 2: That doesn't include what I say. 203 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: I did as exercise commander or gentleman over there Derek 204 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: who's done other roles, but just the walks we've done there, 205 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 3: three thousand people have been part of that. So it's 206 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: amazing what the experience is here and people keep coming back. 207 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: There are people here who've been doing this for thirty years. 208 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: Other people it's their first trip. But it's addictive and 209 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: people will do things they might do one or two 210 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: then if they're younger then they've got to get a job, 211 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 3: they've got a family and it makes it harder to come, 212 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: but they'll come back five years later. Or Hailey who's 213 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: the will being of so did an assistent teamly to 214 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 3: roll eight years ago when I've did stuff and now 215 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 3: she's back doing the well being role. So it is 216 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 3: addictive and highly recommend it, So go to operate Flinders. 217 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: Paul, well done on what you've done and that's amazing 218 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: being commander here for as long as you have, and 219 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: it's tremendous obviously the work you do. You see it 220 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: reflected in the kids out there, and you've seen that 221 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: firsthand as team leader. So thank you for the efforts 222 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: you've put in. 223 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: Thank you for coming up and seeing what we do. 224 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: It's really important. 225 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: So that's the team leader, Paul Kinghorn there, Jugs that's 226 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: his nickname, runs one of the teams. He's one of 227 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: the team leaders. And I had a chat with him 228 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: there as well. One of the camps here led by Jugs, 229 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: A great nickname. 230 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 4: Have to get that. 231 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm a juggler, so juggling in the magic checks 232 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 5: and what you show them how to do that I do. 233 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 5: We're just about to do some juggling shortly. 234 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: So I want to come. I want to come back 235 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: to your career, right because I heard something about the 236 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: Wiggles I want to ask you about all right, so 237 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: we'll come back to that team leader. What does that involve? 238 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: Tell us about that? 239 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I meet the kids on the bus and 240 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 5: obviously need to build up a little bit of rapport 241 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 5: and trust. Yeah, I guide them around and do a 242 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 5: bit of mentoring as well as showing how to set 243 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 5: up their campsites and things like that. 244 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: You're with them for eight days and obviously, you know, 245 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: you form a bonder relationship over that time. How does 246 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: that work out? Is it always good? Is it always positive? 247 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: This group seems great looks. 248 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: It's always varied, and it's never it's dynamic. 249 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 5: It's never either all good or all bad. There's good 250 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 5: times and bad times in every group. 251 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, all boys here. Does that make 252 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: a difference boys? Girls? 253 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 4: It does. It's one less thing to sort of try 254 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 4: and manage. 255 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, and also having having ten a group of ten 256 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 5: ten boys, they're all hungry, so we get through the food. 257 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 4: So it's managing managing that as well. 258 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, boys do, don't they No matter where they are, 259 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,599 Speaker 1: are they enjoying it so far, Like two days in 260 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: they seem a pretty content bunch. 261 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 4: Yeah they are. 262 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 5: They're enjoying it and probably enjoying pushing themselves. So we 263 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 5: went up a high mountain, high hill yesterday and that 264 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 5: was one of the highlights of the day and that 265 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 5: that was quite tough. 266 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: So yeah, they enjoyed the challenge. 267 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: It's all about that is the building resilience and showing 268 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: them where the boundaries are and how to push through sometimes. 269 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 5: Absolutely yep, and how to act when they are, when 270 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 5: they're under pressure, understress, angry. 271 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: So yep, by the end of it, what do you reckon? 272 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: Are they going to change further than what we've seen today? 273 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: In the day two I said six to go. 274 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 5: Yes, some some of the kids get it pretty quick. 275 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 5: Others it's a bit of a slow burn, and some 276 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 5: just can't wait to get back on the bus. 277 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 4: But they may they may. 278 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 5: Decide years down the track, well months down the track, 279 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 5: to look back and reflect on some of the things 280 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 5: that they'd learned to say. 281 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: That's the important thing, isn't it. They may not realize 282 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: that over this next few days, but it is something 283 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: that they'll never forget either. 284 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 4: No, no, no, they'll never forget this, definitely not. 285 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: So your role in that and the team with you 286 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: that you've got supporting you obviously really critical to find 287 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: the right balances, find the right way to show them 288 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: what the future could look like. 289 00:13:59,080 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: Yep. 290 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 5: That's only get one crack at this. And so it's 291 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 5: not about us, it's about it's about them. So we 292 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 5: have to park our frustrations and and egoes at the 293 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 5: door and yeah, and just focus on the kids. 294 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: What's the most satisfying part of this for you. 295 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 5: Probably seeing the kids of the ab Sail, especially the 296 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 5: big tough kids that are actually you know, terrified and shaking, 297 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 5: and then they get down the bottom and everyone sort 298 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 5: of congratulates them and it really is a team bonding thing. 299 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 4: So that's one of the highlights for me. 300 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: Is it the tougher kids that probably are the most 301 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: nervous that. 302 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 5: They certainly look at They certainly change from being all 303 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 5: tough and boisterous to being timid and shaky. 304 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting? I suppose we're all like that. At 305 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: one point you were Captain Feathers feather Sword. Not for 306 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: Captain feather Sword, you were the proto type it. 307 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: So yeah, I helped develop the character. 308 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: How did that happen? 309 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 5: So I had a magic shopping in Sydney and the 310 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 5: Yellow Wiggle came and saw me years ago to learn 311 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 5: some magic tricks. And then we then did some stuff 312 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 5: with the Big Red Car movie, and then did some 313 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 5: stuff just doing some live shows, riding my union cycle 314 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 5: and juggling, and to see how a circus type character 315 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 5: fit into the into the into the Wiggles family. 316 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: I guess so you're a clown basically. 317 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I called myself a joker. 318 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you're a clown, you'd have to go 319 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: into politics. So okay, you do a lot of one 320 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: on one stuff as well. I understand with kids with 321 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: boys particularly you're a male mentor. 322 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 5: Yes, it's a new program, the Adventure Mentoring Program with 323 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 5: Operation Flinters. So yeah, I've got a couple of participants 324 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 5: out at Wyala, So we go out there and might 325 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 5: take them fishing or mountain by riding, kayaking, and yeah, 326 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 5: just give you a bit of positive mentoring with them 327 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 5: at the same time. 328 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: Why is it important to you to do this stuff? 329 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 4: Well, I'm retired. 330 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 5: I was a fiery up in Sydney, a medically retired, 331 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 5: so this gives me something to do and it's a 332 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 5: nice fit being of X Army X Fiery and also 333 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 5: kids Entertainer's got a couple of different skills there, so. 334 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: So you have the retention no matter which way you turn. 335 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 4: Well yeah, yeah, sometimes I struggle that time. 336 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: On you mate, what a tremendous thing to be doing, 337 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: and obviously you're getting a lot of satisfaction out of it, 338 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: and you know two days in they seem wrapped by it. 339 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well that's it's. 340 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, these guys are adjusted to learning the rope, so 341 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 5: over the next couple of days they'll be more sort 342 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 5: of mentoring and reflectives of activities and so yeah, we'll see. 343 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 4: Okay, good luck, thank you, thank you. 344 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: Jugs one of the team leaders there and one of 345 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: the participants, a young man by the name of Codyby. 346 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: Tell me about the camp so far. What have you found? 347 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: What have you enjoyed the most? 348 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 6: So on the camp, I've enjoyed just hanging out with 349 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 6: all the labs that are here. I love the experience 350 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 6: and the walk and just traying new things. I'm a 351 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 6: really fussy eat so I've been trying some new foods 352 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 6: and I'm looking forward to the kangaroo too. 353 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 4: How we get tonight? 354 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because that's you're doing a cultural night, aren't 355 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: you with local indigenous people. 356 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we are, and I'm really excited for that 357 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 6: as well. We get to go on the smoke and 358 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 6: it's like a spiritual thing. So I'm really keen to 359 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 6: get to know them, their stories, everything they got to say. 360 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: What about the high ropes? How did you go with that? 361 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 6: The high ropes? So I got up the first foule, 362 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 6: then I kind of fell down. I'm really I'm not 363 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 6: good with heights. Yeah, but I've done the Flying Squirrel. 364 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 6: That was really fun. I feel like I pushed myself 365 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 6: on that though, even though I didn't do it all. 366 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: That's what it's about, is the pushing yourself, finding your 367 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: boundaries and then trying to move through them. 368 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, facing your fears, and just when you think 369 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 6: you're done, going that extra step. 370 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: It's something in that, isn't there. That's a good life 371 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: lesson you reckon? 372 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah for sure. 373 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: What about the next few days. I don't know what 374 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: you got in store for you, but you're looking forward 375 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: to whatever there is. 376 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. We've got to conquer two more mountains, more hills, 377 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 6: and we got one more bush camp, so I'm looking 378 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 6: really forward to it. 379 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: The hills aren't small hills, so are they. They're not 380 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: just slopes. They're pretty damn high. 381 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, they're pretty massive. We conquered the biggest one today, 382 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 6: Matt Rose. That was real fun but a bit of 383 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 6: a challenge as well. You enjoy the rest, Thank you, 384 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 6: Thank you.