Speaker 1: Welcome to How Do They Afford That? The podcast that
Speaker 1: peaks into the financial lives of everyday Australians. I'm Michael Thompson.
Speaker 1: I'm an author and the co host of the podcasts
Speaker 1: Fear and Greed. As always, I'm with Canna Campbell, financial
Speaker 1: planner and the founder of Sugar Maumer TV, the financial
Speaker 1: literacy platform covering YouTube and podcast books, Instagram threads, TikTok, keynote,
Speaker 1: speeches and more. Hello, Canna, good money.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 1: I am great and I'm looking forward to today because
Speaker 1: we are talking about side hustles. We have talked a
Speaker 1: lot about side hustles on this podcast. It's a frequent
Speaker 1: topic on this show because who doesn't want to earn
Speaker 1: a little extra cash?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would put themselves in that category
Speaker 1: of not wanting to do that. Last year we covered
Speaker 1: great ideas. Last year we did some summer side hustles.
Speaker 1: Earlier this year we did a bunch of ways to
Speaker 1: make money online as well digital side hustles. Today, I
Speaker 1: would like to go in a slightly different direction. Today
Speaker 1: it is about avoiding the pitfalls. We are going to
Speaker 1: go through some side hustles to avoid either because they're
Speaker 1: very hard to make money from. Perhaps in some cases
Speaker 1: they outright scams as well. So I know this is
Speaker 1: a little bit negative, isn't it. And you're normally a
Speaker 1: very kind of positive person, right, So this is going
Speaker 1: to be perhaps an uneasy approach for you.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be refreshingly honest.
Speaker 1: Oh, I like that You're going to hammer some scam
Speaker 1: hustles here. Is there a temptation to rush into a
Speaker 1: side hustle without actually checking if it's worth it? And
Speaker 1: this is let's put scams to one side for a
Speaker 1: sec potentially, but just about kind of is it actually
Speaker 1: going to be worth your time to do this or
Speaker 1: are you just going to do a heck of a
Speaker 1: lot of work for not much gain.
Speaker 2: Look if there is an allure of some extra income
Speaker 2: or some quick and then you factor on top of
Speaker 2: that fact that you're under a bit of financial pressure,
Speaker 2: absolutely that you know there is a huge temptation, you know,
Speaker 2: to jump on that, and it's very easy to get
Speaker 2: caught up in the excitement and you know the opportunity
Speaker 2: and you start leaving that rational thinking at the door.
Speaker 2: But often you know it sounds too easy or too
Speaker 2: good to be true? It usually is.
Speaker 1: What are the big red flags that a side hustle
Speaker 1: perhaps might not pay off?
Speaker 2: There are lots so high upfront costs, you know, and
Speaker 2: I often see this online where people have to buy
Speaker 2: a starter kit that you've got to fund yourself. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: have you ever seen those? Well? No, okay, I'm glad, Okay,
Speaker 2: all right. Another red flag is promises of fast, guaranteed income.
Speaker 2: So you know, sometimes I see this, are you talking
Speaker 2: about to get rich quick scheme? No, these are like
Speaker 2: we have to buy and it's like they pitch it
Speaker 2: as a side hustle, and it is almost they kind
Speaker 2: of get well, they're trying to be they're selling it
Speaker 2: like a get rich quick scheme. So I often see
Speaker 2: these on what they call when they're wrapped around a
Speaker 2: telegraph pole, the posters that says, you know, do you
Speaker 2: want to earn an extra five thousand dollars a week
Speaker 2: working from your phone?
Speaker 1: Look, I think they are guaranteed red flags, right.
Speaker 2: If they pitch them as a side hustle with people think, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm on the bus, I'm sitting in my
Speaker 2: phone and mass we'll do this just be a bit
Speaker 2: of a sight hustle, so you're thinking of it as
Speaker 2: a side hustle.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, and those things you do see it,
Speaker 1: and you also get kind of unsolicited text messages about
Speaker 1: those oh yeah, all the time. But you see them
Speaker 1: on the side of a telegraph pole offering a lot
Speaker 1: of money, might be five hundred bucks a week or
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars a week, and all you need to
Speaker 1: do is have a phone and away you go.
Speaker 2: The other red flag is when you see when you
Speaker 2: start sort of doing a bit of digging and there's
Speaker 2: just a complete lack of transparency. If you always feel
Speaker 2: a little bit confused, you know there's vague job descriptions,
Speaker 2: or there's hidden fees, and you know there's no business details,
Speaker 2: or you don't understand who you're actually potentially in business
Speaker 2: with the side hustle or how it really works. And
Speaker 2: then there's like pressure tactics where you know, people will say, well,
Speaker 2: if you want to have this as your side hustle,
Speaker 2: you've got to sign up today because there's only a
Speaker 2: limited amount of spots that we're allowing people, you know,
Speaker 2: to be a part of this side hustle opportunity. Then
Speaker 2: no proof there's no evidence. You haven't actually seen anyone
Speaker 2: necessarily succeeding at that side hustle. And of course we're
Speaker 2: not talking about, you know, someone with a certain skill set.
Speaker 2: We're talking about people who are trying something new, some
Speaker 2: sort of new market and new skill. They're trying to
Speaker 2: sort of, I guess, be on the next bitcoin for example,
Speaker 2: because you know, we wear their side hustles, perhaps trading
Speaker 2: crypto and then a complicated contracts where you carry all
Speaker 2: the risk such as you know, having to buy these
Speaker 2: starter kits, or having to buy a certain amount of stock,
Speaker 2: or having to hold on to a certain amount of stock.
Speaker 2: That's where you start going, hang on like this, this
Speaker 2: isn't really a side hustle. This is something else.
Speaker 1: We're actually getting into quite a sinister place here, because
Speaker 1: when I started thinking about this episode, part of me
Speaker 1: was just thinking about side hustles where you are essentially
Speaker 1: backing yourself to go and do something and maybe it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, kind of making craft goods and selling
Speaker 1: them at the markets or something, for instance. And the
Speaker 1: risk there to me would be that you're going to
Speaker 1: put a lot of time, a lot of effort, perhaps
Speaker 1: need to buy a lot of things and pay for
Speaker 1: a stall and you're not going to make any money
Speaker 1: out of it potentially, right, and that would be the
Speaker 1: risk with that. But what you're talking about is actually
Speaker 1: quite sinister, that there are potentially people out there trying
Speaker 1: to rip you off through these schemes and marketing them
Speaker 1: as a side hustle.
Speaker 2: See, you're still almost talking like almost like a developing
Speaker 2: a business you know you're selling, So I'm talking about
Speaker 2: more of it as a as you used as a scheme.
Speaker 2: So two very similar things. They're still full on the
Speaker 2: under the banner of side hustles, and you're making some
Speaker 2: extra money in your spare time.
Speaker 1: Okay, have you got any horror stories like have you
Speaker 1: seen this play out?
Speaker 2: Oh? Gosh, you know what, there's so many. I haven't personally,
Speaker 2: but there are so many documentaries on these, more so
Speaker 2: multi level marketing schemes, like some of the herb Life one,
Speaker 2: some of the Essential Oils. There's one I believe about leggings,
Speaker 2: which I'm dying to watch. So yes, I have seen it,
Speaker 2: but not personally about you.
Speaker 1: No. Again, I suppose this gets down to this question
Speaker 1: of an investment of your time and your money and
Speaker 1: whether it pays off, and so it's less about getting
Speaker 1: ripped off by an overarching kind of body and more
Speaker 1: just about is this side hustle going to be worth
Speaker 1: your investment? Right?
Speaker 2: Actually I do now that you say that. I've spoken
Speaker 2: about this before. But Tom created these ice packs for
Speaker 2: dogs and horses and it was a massive flop. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're still we had ice packs coming out of very
Speaker 2: ears to the point where, like I literally wanted to
Speaker 2: burn them, and we got to the point where literally
Speaker 2: we were just agreed it was disaster. And Tom Kittle
Speaker 2: saying it's a sleeping giant. You wouldn't believe it. They
Speaker 2: now sell he sells like a couple of thousand dollars
Speaker 2: worth of ice packs.
Speaker 1: A week now he does.
Speaker 2: He's like something that sleeping giant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, so Tom does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this has been going on. We've been together what
Speaker 2: I think nine years, and only in the last probably
Speaker 2: eighteen months has it actually sudden like exploded. And that
Speaker 2: is a side hustle.
Speaker 1: This was supposed to be an episode about warning people
Speaker 1: side hustles. You have just said, you know what, no
Speaker 1: matter how much this costs and how much this drains on,
Speaker 1: you stick with it because this thing is guaranteed to
Speaker 1: pay off.
Speaker 2: But it's just I mean, we've spoken about this before,
Speaker 2: you know, when you were setting up a small business
Speaker 2: on the side, and this is a bit different. You know,
Speaker 2: it's another form of a business within a business. But
Speaker 2: you know that initially was we thought it was an
Speaker 2: absolute disaster and a huge waste of money.
Speaker 1: Okay. At the complete other end of the scale, we
Speaker 1: recently dabbled in like letterbox deliveries, pamphlet deliveries and you
Speaker 1: see those kind of you get them in the mailbox
Speaker 1: kind of saying hey, do you want to be a
Speaker 1: delivery person in your area, And was in the school
Speaker 1: holidays and we thought, you know what, this could be
Speaker 1: fun to do with the kids. Yeah, and it could
Speaker 1: be a good way to teach them kind of the
Speaker 1: value of money. And so we said, kind of help
Speaker 1: us with this, do this with us, and we will
Speaker 1: put the money towards a trip to the movies. Right,
Speaker 1: And so that was direct kind of work for a reward. Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was the longest, most drawn out
Speaker 1: process because what you don't realize is you need to
Speaker 1: compile all of the pamphlets into one, so you might
Speaker 1: have like eight individual pamphlets, and so you're having to
Speaker 1: stat and they're all up in these kind of stacks
Speaker 1: of hundreds of them, and so you're they're kind of
Speaker 1: going one, okay, that's one bundle. Then you've got to
Speaker 1: do it four hundred times over again and again and
Speaker 1: again and again and again. Then you've got boxes and
Speaker 1: boxes of pamphlets then to take out. And so we
Speaker 1: had to drive. We were doing it kind of in
Speaker 1: our local area, but we still needed to get into
Speaker 1: the car, drive a couple of streets over park there.
Speaker 1: Use that as like a mobile operating base from which
Speaker 1: to go, and so Sean and I were each going
Speaker 1: with one child each and we went off in different directions.
Speaker 1: We mapped it all out and we did it and
Speaker 1: took us hours. And my god, it was hot. It
Speaker 1: was about thirty degrees that day. And the kids were
Speaker 1: very enthusiastic at the start and got progressively less enthusiastic
Speaker 1: as it went on, and we did it. It took
Speaker 1: a very long time. And you know what, we figured
Speaker 1: out at the end that we were working for an
Speaker 1: effective hourly rate of five dollars an hour all that,
Speaker 1: and so it taught them, the kids a valuable lesson
Speaker 1: about the value of money, and they got to go
Speaker 1: to the movies and it taught us the valuable lesson
Speaker 1: that we never want to do that again as long
Speaker 1: as we live. And so it kind of goes to
Speaker 1: that question of how do you figure out whether something
Speaker 1: is going to be worth your time, worth your effort,
Speaker 1: worth the hours that you're going to have to put
Speaker 1: into it. If you are looking at kind of like
Speaker 1: this side house, whether it's delivering pamphlets, whether it's kind
Speaker 1: of starting a little business and selling things at the markets,
Speaker 1: or I don't know, writing content online, creating a course,
Speaker 1: how do you figure out if you're going to actually
Speaker 1: make any money out of it? And it's probably an
Speaker 1: impossible question.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you need to do a bit of
Speaker 2: a pilot. You know, have give yourself a deadline and say,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm going to give this a go for
Speaker 2: thirty days or ninety days, or I'll give myself a
Speaker 2: whole year to give this his best shot. And you've
Speaker 2: got to track not just you know, what you're putting
Speaker 2: in for like investing money if you're having to buy
Speaker 2: supplies and stock, but also the income that you've got
Speaker 2: coming in. How much profit really you're making. But also
Speaker 2: the time are you sacrificing every single weekend and working
Speaker 2: until midnight every single night? You know, you worked out
Speaker 2: that you guys were earning five dollars an hour. You
Speaker 2: know you need to do exactly the same. And you know,
Speaker 2: a good sort of point of comparison is is would
Speaker 2: I do this as a full time job at that
Speaker 2: hourly rate?
Speaker 1: Probably not, I don't think so. The benefit of that
Speaker 1: was that there was kind of no lock in contract.
Speaker 1: We didn't have to do it again and again and
Speaker 1: again and again. We were able to do a test,
Speaker 1: we'll do a little kind of pilot of that, and
Speaker 1: realized after kind of two weeks, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: probably not for us.
Speaker 2: And did you have great satisfaction going I quit? We quit?
Speaker 1: I think Shan did. Yes. She was like, I'm sending
Speaker 1: them a very aggressive message. I'm like, okay, good luck,
Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah, yes, she's she doesn't hold back anyway. Hi, Shan,
Speaker 1: I hope you're listening. We're going to take a very
Speaker 1: quick break. I'm going to send an apology message to
Speaker 1: my wife and we'll come back in a second. We've
Speaker 1: got a great listener. Email that I want to address
Speaker 1: today as well, which is all about side hustles. But
Speaker 1: I know that this has been very negative about things
Speaker 1: not to do. This is actually going to be about
Speaker 1: some things to do because this listener wants some advice
Speaker 1: on some potential ideas, and I think we could probably
Speaker 1: help them out.
Speaker 2: Oh I like this of this.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll take a quick break back in a moment.
Speaker 1: Can We are talking about side hustles, and we have
Speaker 1: been talking about things to avoid basically, how to avoid
Speaker 1: some of those pitfalls of side hustles, perhaps because they
Speaker 1: are very hard to make money from, perhaps because they
Speaker 1: are in fact kind of how to rip you off
Speaker 1: if they are part of a larger organization. Are there
Speaker 1: any side hustles that look really flexible on the surface
Speaker 1: but will end up costing you more than you earn
Speaker 1: kind of petrol and fees and stress and things like that.
Speaker 1: And I see kind of a lot of the delivery
Speaker 1: drivers and things. That is something that you can actually
Speaker 1: measure out though, can't you You can calculate exactly how
Speaker 1: much you're going to earn and make an educated decision.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so with those gig gaps, like you know,
Speaker 2: delivery or you know ride share, you can run your
Speaker 2: numbers before you commit, so and you know exactly how
Speaker 2: much you're going to get paid, so you're making an
Speaker 2: educated decision before you actually commit. And also with a
Speaker 2: lot of those you know, ride shairs and Amazon delivery partners,
Speaker 2: you can choose when you want to work. So you
Speaker 2: might think, well, I've got a type month of bills
Speaker 2: coming in, I'll just do a solid month of you know,
Speaker 2: side hustles. But then you know, there's things like drop
Speaker 2: shipping and online reselling now that can work, and I
Speaker 2: have seen it work, but it also requires a lot
Speaker 2: of time, a lot of upfront investment into your website
Speaker 2: and having some skills around marketing. It's you know, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of trial and error, and if you don't
Speaker 2: have any experience in drop shipping, it can go against you.
Speaker 2: And obviously it's also quite saturated as well. Another one
Speaker 2: that people always ask me is survey sites. You know,
Speaker 2: where you get paid to do a survey and they'll
Speaker 2: pay you like five dollars per survey, but they don't
Speaker 2: tell you it's going to take you an hour to
Speaker 2: do that survey, and it's actually a really boring survey
Speaker 2: and you know really fairly. You know that can actually
Speaker 2: you can almost be caught out and most ripped off,
Speaker 2: I find by doing those surveys because you're committed to
Speaker 2: doing it, and then you find yourself like three quarters
Speaker 2: of the way going, oh my goodness, this is torture.
Speaker 2: And then you discover you know, you're only getting a
Speaker 2: small amount of money for that, or it's a voucher.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they pay you. And of course, then as we
Speaker 2: discuss the multi level marketing schemes.
Speaker 1: How important is it and you mentioned kind of when
Speaker 1: you don't have any knowledge of drop shipping or anything
Speaker 1: like that, how important is it to align a side
Speaker 1: hustle with your own interests or your own kind of hobbies.
Speaker 1: I suppose you're probably setting yourself up for a greater
Speaker 1: chance of success because it's something that you actually want
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, it's crucial, you know, when you're doing a
Speaker 2: side hustle, it's something you love, something you're passionate about,
Speaker 2: something that you see is not just about making money
Speaker 2: but also improving your own skill set. It's not a
Speaker 2: chore to get out of bed at five am and
Speaker 2: work on it, and you know, doesn't feel like a
Speaker 2: sacrifice when you're not going out on the weekend to
Speaker 2: see your friends and family. Because you're working on your
Speaker 2: side hustle, you're a lot more motivated and therefore you're
Speaker 2: more likely to succeed with that side hustle. And so
Speaker 2: you know, I would ask myself, you know, would I
Speaker 2: even do this if I wasn't getting paid at first?
Speaker 2: And some people say, you know what, I'm happy to
Speaker 2: do this and make no money for three months because
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about This is something I'm really passionate about,
Speaker 2: and I see it an intangible value that comes to
Speaker 2: me beyond actually making money, because I'll be able to
Speaker 2: get better at using my camera, I'm going to get
Speaker 2: better at creating content, or I'm going to get better
Speaker 2: at the particular arts and crafts, you know. So that's
Speaker 2: a great sign. You know, you're going in with nothing
Speaker 2: to lose in so much to gain an abundant mindset.
Speaker 2: So yes, you've got to really love this, And you know,
Speaker 2: side hustles are supposed to be fun, supposed to be,
Speaker 2: you know, something you look forward to and repull the
Speaker 2: wonderful benefits. It's not punishing yourself or torturing yourself and
Speaker 2: doing something that makes you feel miserable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: because that way, if you're enjoying it, then the money
Speaker 1: can just be a benefit that comes.
Speaker 2: Along from it, exactly, a bonus. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, you've kind of given us a bit of a
Speaker 1: checklist there for spotting a good side hustle that it
Speaker 1: is something that you enjoy. Are there any other things?
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to put you under pressure because
Speaker 1: we are running out of time. Do you reckon you
Speaker 1: could do this in say thirty seconds or less, because
Speaker 1: I really want to get to the listener questions.
Speaker 2: I'm talking I'll do it all right. So a low
Speaker 2: startup cost, so minimal financial risk. You know, you're not
Speaker 2: having to sink a whole part of money. It's making
Speaker 2: it scalable, you know, knowing that you can actually grow
Speaker 2: this over time, particularly as your own skills and experience increase.
Speaker 2: Making sure it's flexible. You know, there are certain times
Speaker 2: of the year where we have other commitments and we
Speaker 2: have to you know, maybe not put the side hustle
Speaker 2: on hold, but perhaps scale down or press pause temporarily,
Speaker 2: you know, making sure it's aligned, as we've said, and
Speaker 2: making it a legitimate structure, so you understand the model
Speaker 2: behind your side hustle or is it going to be
Speaker 2: evolving into a business. Is it going to be profitable
Speaker 2: if you've got the right legal framework in place, And
Speaker 2: then you know, looking at whether it's transferable skills. You know,
Speaker 2: can you use these skills for other areas of your life?
Speaker 2: You know what other intangible values are going to come
Speaker 2: from it? And the best side hustles don't just make money,
Speaker 2: you know, they actually make you smarter, They make you
Speaker 2: more skilled, more entrepreneurial, more independent.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was slightly longer than i'd.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I got a little bit carriederwat.
Speaker 1: That's fine. That's fine. I've been known to waffle on occasion.
Speaker 1: Not today, obviously. Is it time for our listener question? Yes,
Speaker 1: because I love this. This has come from Holly and
Speaker 1: so Holly sent a message via Instagram. She went along
Speaker 1: to my Instagram Michael Thompson author, just in case you
Speaker 1: want to do the same thing, And she says, and
Speaker 1: her name is Holly, and she says, my husband and
Speaker 1: I own over seven acres of land out in the
Speaker 1: country and the process of building our dream off grid
Speaker 1: home on it. So it's a great little kind of setup, right,
Speaker 1: and this is in a regional Victoria okay, And she says,
Speaker 1: as we're getting close to finishing the build and moving in,
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out what we can do with
Speaker 1: the land to actually make some money. She says, I
Speaker 1: know not everyone has acreage, but perhaps some of your
Speaker 1: listeners have decent sized blocks and might be thinking the
Speaker 1: same thing. There's a great question. So one idea that
Speaker 1: we've tossed around is growing saffron, right, which is cool.
Speaker 1: It's very kind of high value saffron is it's interesting,
Speaker 1: but she said, but we're wondering what other creative or
Speaker 1: realistic ways there might be to generate income or build
Speaker 1: wealth from the land besides just essentially straightforward farming of
Speaker 1: the land, which I think is really interesting. She has
Speaker 1: suggested that maybe a miniature donkey farm might be a
Speaker 1: good idea. It feels like that's a passion project that
Speaker 1: she's trying to convince her husband to get on board with.
Speaker 1: So juries out on the donkey farm. But we'll take
Speaker 1: that under consideration. What do you think, Kenna?
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's so much I mean farming saffron that
Speaker 2: years of experience and knowledge, and you know, being farming
Speaker 2: is such a it's so fragile. You know, the elements
Speaker 2: control so much of your success, and you know, I
Speaker 2: mean you're jumping into something that potentially requires a huge
Speaker 2: amount of knowledge and experience, and you don't even know
Speaker 2: if you have the right land. I mean, the soil
Speaker 2: cauality may be not appropriate for saffron. So I see
Speaker 2: a lot of dangers with that. One I that came
Speaker 2: to me is doing adjustment, where you basically rent the
Speaker 2: land out to local farmers. So they will put their
Speaker 2: cattle on typically sheep or cows, and they'll come in
Speaker 2: and graze on the on the land. So it's a
Speaker 2: great way of obviously managing the land and you get
Speaker 2: to collect some money and there's nothing physically involved. It
Speaker 2: almost becomes a passive income source because obviously with saffron
Speaker 2: you've got to be I imagine would veractive farm. So
Speaker 2: that is one idea. The other idea I had was
Speaker 2: and again I have no idea where this land is,
Speaker 2: but is renting it out for events. So somebody I
Speaker 2: know rents out a paddock that happens to have a
Speaker 2: beautiful view, and they rented out for people to get
Speaker 2: married on old events.
Speaker 1: I also went to an expert to ask this question.
Speaker 1: I went to my brother in law, Pat, who seems
Speaker 1: to know everything about farms and about making money and things.
Speaker 1: Was like, okay, you know what, Pat, what do you reckon?
Speaker 1: And he said that the key question here is water.
Speaker 1: What access does the property have to water? Is it seasonal,
Speaker 1: is it damn seasonal, creek, et cetera. Seven acres, he says,
Speaker 1: is a good market garden size, right, so it's big
Speaker 1: enough to grow a decent amount of a high value vegetable,
Speaker 1: for instance, garlic. Okay, there's an interesting one. How's that
Speaker 1: for a tip? Or you could use the land to
Speaker 1: grow cut flowers for local florests, or use the space
Speaker 1: for storage of some kind, for instance caravan storage where
Speaker 1: people will actually just pay you to park their caravans,
Speaker 1: not to stay in them, but they just need somewhere
Speaker 1: to park it where it's potentially going to maybe be
Speaker 1: under a shed, for instance, and you just collect the
Speaker 1: rent essentially on it every single week. And alternatively, eco tourism,
Speaker 1: particularly kind of out in the country. You can go
Speaker 1: with say tiny houses, those the very small kind of
Speaker 1: cottages and lamping and build it up as almost an
Speaker 1: Airbnb or weddings as you said, but even just a
Speaker 1: site for wedding photography, right, have some old machinery or
Speaker 1: something that that provides a like a vintage tractor for instance,
Speaker 1: that provides kind of a setting for wedding photography, and
Speaker 1: people will will come and pay for that.
Speaker 2: Commercials, film and television.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, registration. Yeah, you put your property on the
Speaker 1: list of potential shooting locations for TV commercials or TV
Speaker 1: shows or even film. So there's a few ideas there.
Speaker 1: How about us go.
Speaker 2: I'm actually really proud of us.
Speaker 1: We are an ideas factory. I mean, obviously I got
Speaker 1: a lot of help there from Pat, but I mean
Speaker 1: most of it kind of came from me. I don't
Speaker 1: think I can say that with any credibility. I don't
Speaker 1: think you get anyway. Look, we talked a lot about
Speaker 1: side hustles, some things to avoid, the things that you
Speaker 1: should be looking for. We've answered at Holly's question. I
Speaker 1: hope we've answered Holly's question. And if you do end
Speaker 1: up doing any of those, holy, then please just let
Speaker 1: us let us know and we will be after what Yeah, fifteen,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of negotiating there for you, Holly,
Speaker 1: all right, if you've got your own question, then send
Speaker 1: it on through Jump onto Instagram and send us a message.
Speaker 1: Is that the best place to get hold of you too, Cannah?
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. It's sugar Ma My TV on Instagram or
Speaker 2: Canna Campbell.
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