1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apoche Production. 2 00:00:10,801 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the 3 00:00:13,441 --> 00:00:14,721 Speaker 2: Muscle comments and. 4 00:00:14,721 --> 00:00:19,761 Speaker 3: In this episode I speak to IBF middleweight champion Deslie Robinson. 5 00:00:19,521 --> 00:00:22,201 Speaker 1: Like boxing is the highest of highs and the lowest 6 00:00:22,241 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: of those far right, Like that's a world titled pay check. 7 00:00:25,841 --> 00:00:30,801 Speaker 1: I'll fight an influence. I'd get up in the morning. 8 00:00:30,801 --> 00:00:33,921 Speaker 1: I was doing personal training concrete in full time professional 9 00:00:34,161 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: fighting as well, you know, like you know, she was 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: going to getting raped, and so I sort of grabbed 11 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: him and he was like fairly high up and marched 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,961 Speaker 1: him through past all of his members and just got 13 00:00:44,001 --> 00:00:44,841 Speaker 1: into him. 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: Everybody, right, So thank you for coming on. 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,961 Speaker 3: And before we start and like and we get to 16 00:00:56,001 --> 00:01:00,521 Speaker 3: nitty gritty, I will say congratulations on being number one middleweight. 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: For the IBAF. 18 00:01:01,481 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: Thank you. 19 00:01:02,521 --> 00:01:03,641 Speaker 2: That's well deserved. 20 00:01:03,921 --> 00:01:06,321 Speaker 3: So let's get into my your family and you growing 21 00:01:06,441 --> 00:01:10,241 Speaker 3: up and what led you to becoming a boxer. 22 00:01:10,801 --> 00:01:14,321 Speaker 1: Yeah, look it is a little bit chaotic. I guess 23 00:01:14,321 --> 00:01:15,881 Speaker 1: people see you and they think, oh, you know, she's 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: a boxer, she's this, she's out, and I don't sort 25 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,841 Speaker 1: of put on the poor me or you know, oh 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,641 Speaker 1: my struggles all this that you just you know, put 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: a hat on and you just keep soldiering on. So 28 00:01:25,681 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: but yeah, so where it's sort of all started was, 29 00:01:27,601 --> 00:01:29,241 Speaker 1: you know, growing up in a really small town called 30 00:01:29,241 --> 00:01:32,121 Speaker 1: Warren Boa. It's like twelve hours in the bush from here, 31 00:01:32,521 --> 00:01:35,961 Speaker 1: so there's no beaches, there's nothing there, a mining town, 32 00:01:36,041 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: so there wasn't a lot there. But I excelled in 33 00:01:38,721 --> 00:01:40,721 Speaker 1: in sports, so it was like a lot of rugby, touch, 34 00:01:40,761 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: footy and athletics. Like I wanted to be like Kathy 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,561 Speaker 1: Freeman on to be like really, you know, I go. 36 00:01:45,601 --> 00:01:48,641 Speaker 1: You know, my son calls me Kathy Freeman, so okay, Kathy, 37 00:01:48,761 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, like I wanted to be like in the Olympics. 38 00:01:51,561 --> 00:01:53,201 Speaker 1: I wanted to be right up there. So like every 39 00:01:53,241 --> 00:01:56,801 Speaker 1: afternoon there's nothing to do, so would have been a 40 00:01:56,841 --> 00:02:00,081 Speaker 1: high jump so yeah, because I'm pretty tall. So but 41 00:02:00,201 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: me and my sisters we used to get like a 42 00:02:02,361 --> 00:02:04,801 Speaker 1: star picket and it was like I wouldn't want like 43 00:02:04,801 --> 00:02:06,481 Speaker 1: a and pick it and we'd put nails in it 44 00:02:06,761 --> 00:02:09,321 Speaker 1: and get a curtain rod and then you get your mattresses. 45 00:02:09,921 --> 00:02:11,721 Speaker 1: We used to go to like the Salvation Army or 46 00:02:11,881 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: Vinni's whatever it was and get like mattresses and We're like, Mum, 47 00:02:14,281 --> 00:02:16,721 Speaker 1: we need some more mattresses and stack them all up 48 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,281 Speaker 1: and we'll do like the flop every afternoon, so practice 49 00:02:19,281 --> 00:02:21,561 Speaker 1: our run up and you know, running in the dirt 50 00:02:21,641 --> 00:02:24,441 Speaker 1: and yeah it's pretty funny. But so I'd always just 51 00:02:24,481 --> 00:02:26,761 Speaker 1: every afternoon training and yeah, sort of got to the 52 00:02:26,761 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: point where you know, I'd got to the top of 53 00:02:29,161 --> 00:02:31,241 Speaker 1: the athletic so you know, did the rugby and the 54 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,041 Speaker 1: touch footy, and I just wanted more so and I 55 00:02:34,041 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: guess I sort of started to grow up a little bit, 56 00:02:35,881 --> 00:02:37,921 Speaker 1: and you know, I started being a little bit you know, 57 00:02:38,921 --> 00:02:41,081 Speaker 1: trying to find myself as well. Like I started to 58 00:02:41,081 --> 00:02:43,561 Speaker 1: get a bit frustrated with my life and you know, 59 00:02:43,641 --> 00:02:45,441 Speaker 1: like I wanted to get out and explore. And we 60 00:02:45,441 --> 00:02:48,001 Speaker 1: had quite a strict upbringing, like we went all had 61 00:02:48,041 --> 00:02:50,041 Speaker 1: to you know, you don't go your hair, you don't 62 00:02:50,041 --> 00:02:52,001 Speaker 1: cut it, you don't get your ears perce, you don't 63 00:02:52,041 --> 00:02:55,961 Speaker 1: talk to boys, like we've all watched parents I don't know, 64 00:02:56,401 --> 00:02:59,361 Speaker 1: and I was just like, man, I'm like, you know, 65 00:02:59,441 --> 00:03:01,401 Speaker 1: I'm trapped and I hate my parents, you know, like 66 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,481 Speaker 1: typical like you know, my son, you. 67 00:03:03,481 --> 00:03:06,081 Speaker 2: Ever try and go against them and things that they didn't. 68 00:03:06,001 --> 00:03:11,841 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, one hundred so yeah, no, no, never, 69 00:03:12,481 --> 00:03:14,161 Speaker 1: but yeah, so I found like it was sort of 70 00:03:14,881 --> 00:03:17,561 Speaker 1: you know, I'm quite stubborn, and my family's really stubborn too, 71 00:03:17,721 --> 00:03:20,081 Speaker 1: and you know, like we you know, my parents were 72 00:03:20,081 --> 00:03:21,921 Speaker 1: growing up and learning how to be parents as well. 73 00:03:21,921 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: They were quite young too, So I guess that's sort 74 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,441 Speaker 1: of just well wind of like chaos and you know, 75 00:03:27,601 --> 00:03:30,441 Speaker 1: like it's it was a tough upbringing, I guess too. 76 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,761 Speaker 1: Like Mum and Dad were like, you know, they would 77 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,361 Speaker 1: install in us. You know, you don't take shit from people. 78 00:03:35,441 --> 00:03:37,641 Speaker 1: You stand your ground, and you know, I was then 79 00:03:37,681 --> 00:03:39,561 Speaker 1: becoming like this big tough kid, you know, and then 80 00:03:39,601 --> 00:03:41,841 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, stuff you to mom and dad, 81 00:03:41,881 --> 00:03:43,681 Speaker 1: you know, and then I would rebel back to them, 82 00:03:43,801 --> 00:03:45,801 Speaker 1: and it just sort of blew up a little bit. 83 00:03:45,921 --> 00:03:48,521 Speaker 1: And you know, I got older, and yeah, I just 84 00:03:48,521 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: got I wasn't enjoying the home life and kept doing 85 00:03:52,721 --> 00:03:55,841 Speaker 1: my sport and then yes, sort of found boxing. The 86 00:03:55,841 --> 00:03:59,721 Speaker 1: boys were doing boxing at school and I was like, oh, 87 00:03:59,761 --> 00:04:02,001 Speaker 1: you know, and I always wanted to do. You know, 88 00:04:02,081 --> 00:04:03,681 Speaker 1: if someone said I couldn't do it, I was like, no, 89 00:04:03,801 --> 00:04:05,401 Speaker 1: I can do it. Nothing, We'll do it, like That's 90 00:04:05,441 --> 00:04:07,681 Speaker 1: where I'm like, no, I'll prove you wrong. So, you know, 91 00:04:07,681 --> 00:04:09,441 Speaker 1: I'd mentioned the boxing thing and I was like, you're 92 00:04:09,441 --> 00:04:11,761 Speaker 1: a girl, you can't box, And I was like, all right, 93 00:04:11,881 --> 00:04:12,321 Speaker 1: watch me. 94 00:04:12,841 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: What what was it like for a female back then 95 00:04:15,521 --> 00:04:16,521 Speaker 2: to want to do boxing? 96 00:04:17,081 --> 00:04:19,721 Speaker 1: Was it like there wasn't any like, yeah, I can't 97 00:04:19,921 --> 00:04:21,801 Speaker 1: and like I didn't have a phone, we like your 98 00:04:21,841 --> 00:04:25,361 Speaker 1: internet was like the dial up, and like I wasn't 99 00:04:25,401 --> 00:04:27,841 Speaker 1: looking at boxing or anything. So there wasn't anyone that 100 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,921 Speaker 1: I'd looked up to boxing wise. It was just TV 101 00:04:31,041 --> 00:04:35,601 Speaker 1: and like Kathy Freeman and so yeah, so I sort of, 102 00:04:35,641 --> 00:04:38,361 Speaker 1: you know, women didn't really inspire me in the sport. 103 00:04:38,401 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: It was more so the fact that the guys were 104 00:04:40,481 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: doing it in the off season in football and I 105 00:04:42,201 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: played forty two, so I. 106 00:04:43,361 --> 00:04:43,841 Speaker 2: Just watched them. 107 00:04:44,041 --> 00:04:46,241 Speaker 1: I can do boxing as well. I do footy and 108 00:04:46,361 --> 00:04:49,321 Speaker 1: excellent that so done that And mom and dad were like, 109 00:04:49,361 --> 00:04:51,961 Speaker 1: you're not fighting and I was like, okay, same thing. 110 00:04:52,041 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: Watch me, like I will fight, and then you know, 111 00:04:55,121 --> 00:04:57,361 Speaker 1: twisted their arm and yeah I had, you know, Mum 112 00:04:57,401 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: and dad like you know, if you're going to fight, 113 00:04:58,681 --> 00:05:00,801 Speaker 1: then you make sure you win. So I was like, 114 00:05:00,801 --> 00:05:03,321 Speaker 1: all right. Started boxing at fourteen in a club just 115 00:05:03,361 --> 00:05:05,601 Speaker 1: full of men, and there was like, you know, some 116 00:05:05,681 --> 00:05:07,681 Speaker 1: tough dudes. They're like a couple of bikey's and I'd 117 00:05:07,721 --> 00:05:11,201 Speaker 1: spa them like you know, punch yeah, yeah, jump in, 118 00:05:11,241 --> 00:05:12,481 Speaker 1: you know, and there was like guys that have been 119 00:05:12,481 --> 00:05:15,361 Speaker 1: there for years. Like but I was like, yeah, I 120 00:05:15,361 --> 00:05:16,801 Speaker 1: was more than happy to get in and like give 121 00:05:16,841 --> 00:05:19,881 Speaker 1: it to them to they go around you. Not really, no, 122 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,281 Speaker 1: not really, No. They were good. So it's good to 123 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,041 Speaker 1: have that sort of protection, I guess from you know, 124 00:05:26,081 --> 00:05:28,041 Speaker 1: the tougher O people in the town and you know 125 00:05:28,081 --> 00:05:30,401 Speaker 1: you're mates with the bikes or whatever, you know, but 126 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,801 Speaker 1: like they were always had, you know, their you know, 127 00:05:33,241 --> 00:05:35,281 Speaker 1: best interest for me. So that was looked after me, 128 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: which was good. But if it didn't give hands up, 129 00:05:37,801 --> 00:05:39,601 Speaker 1: I got punched in the face. So I had to 130 00:05:39,681 --> 00:05:41,801 Speaker 1: learn quite early, you know. And we didn't have a 131 00:05:41,841 --> 00:05:43,841 Speaker 1: lot of money either, Like I didn't have any you know, 132 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,121 Speaker 1: boxing shoes, no boxing gloves. I just borrowed whoever's were 133 00:05:47,161 --> 00:05:50,241 Speaker 1: laying around, and even like my first fight, we you know, 134 00:05:50,281 --> 00:05:52,401 Speaker 1: it was we just sort of there was a lot 135 00:05:52,401 --> 00:05:54,761 Speaker 1: of money around at that time, so I really wanted 136 00:05:54,801 --> 00:05:56,041 Speaker 1: to prove to mom and dad that like I'm not 137 00:05:56,081 --> 00:05:58,001 Speaker 1: gonna waste your time, not gonna waste your money, and 138 00:05:58,201 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to get in there. And I had like, 139 00:05:59,641 --> 00:06:02,761 Speaker 1: you know, like you tape take my pants on. It 140 00:06:02,921 --> 00:06:05,681 Speaker 1: was like this single from one of the guys, put 141 00:06:05,721 --> 00:06:07,321 Speaker 1: it on, taped it on, and I looked back at 142 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,801 Speaker 1: my photo. I'm like, holy crap. I looked like a 143 00:06:10,801 --> 00:06:13,921 Speaker 1: little boy, like got in, had sandshoes, I like old 144 00:06:13,961 --> 00:06:16,521 Speaker 1: as jumped in and I was up against this girl 145 00:06:16,561 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: who was twenty seven and I was fifteen. I was 146 00:06:18,681 --> 00:06:22,961 Speaker 1: just like seven yeah, yeah even wild No not really, 147 00:06:22,961 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: probably not now. But I've always been really tall, so 148 00:06:27,361 --> 00:06:28,761 Speaker 1: you know, and like a bit heavy as well, so 149 00:06:28,761 --> 00:06:31,481 Speaker 1: I've always struggled to get fights. And I was just there. 150 00:06:31,521 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: I was psycho, so I just was like you're in 151 00:06:33,681 --> 00:06:36,481 Speaker 1: here trying to hurt me. No way, like I'm gonna 152 00:06:36,521 --> 00:06:39,401 Speaker 1: hurt you. So I remember just she was a kickboxer 153 00:06:39,401 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: as well, and I was just it was kind of 154 00:06:41,361 --> 00:06:43,921 Speaker 1: like biking club versut biky club, and I was just 155 00:06:43,961 --> 00:06:47,561 Speaker 1: like this little kid, just like ah and then yeah, 156 00:06:47,601 --> 00:06:49,721 Speaker 1: got in and I remember the ref just grabbing me 157 00:06:49,761 --> 00:06:52,241 Speaker 1: and like dares get off her and I really wanted 158 00:06:52,241 --> 00:06:55,001 Speaker 1: to prove to like mom and Dad, and especially Dad too, 159 00:06:55,001 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: because Dad was quite you know, tough and quite the 160 00:06:57,481 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: tough person of the house and I didn't like that. 161 00:06:59,841 --> 00:07:01,281 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I don't want you to 162 00:07:01,281 --> 00:07:03,561 Speaker 1: have it over me, you know, like I'm going to 163 00:07:03,601 --> 00:07:04,801 Speaker 1: stand up to your type of thing. And I kind 164 00:07:04,801 --> 00:07:08,121 Speaker 1: of to prove in that fight and show sort of 165 00:07:08,201 --> 00:07:10,441 Speaker 1: Dad that like, you know, I've got balls too type 166 00:07:10,441 --> 00:07:12,881 Speaker 1: of thing. Like it was just like a I guess, yeah, 167 00:07:12,961 --> 00:07:15,481 Speaker 1: you know, you know, a few things that sort of 168 00:07:15,481 --> 00:07:17,961 Speaker 1: come in with it, but yeah, so I sort of 169 00:07:17,961 --> 00:07:19,961 Speaker 1: you know, got out there, proved to point and yeah, 170 00:07:19,961 --> 00:07:22,041 Speaker 1: the ref was just grabbed me, like stop punching, and 171 00:07:22,081 --> 00:07:24,761 Speaker 1: I was just like into it. So from there it 172 00:07:24,841 --> 00:07:27,321 Speaker 1: kind of led, you know. I had another fight, kept 173 00:07:27,321 --> 00:07:29,521 Speaker 1: winning another fight, one of the Golden Gloves, A strained 174 00:07:29,521 --> 00:07:32,361 Speaker 1: titles Queen's Land titles, and we started traveling a little 175 00:07:32,401 --> 00:07:34,401 Speaker 1: bit more so, and then that just opens up a 176 00:07:34,441 --> 00:07:36,561 Speaker 1: whole you know, yeah, the whole world, like. 177 00:07:36,641 --> 00:07:38,281 Speaker 2: So hard to find opponents. 178 00:07:38,081 --> 00:07:40,681 Speaker 1: Yeah, really hard, because I sort of got a reputation 179 00:07:40,761 --> 00:07:44,201 Speaker 1: then for being this psycho ball like yeah, and I 180 00:07:44,201 --> 00:07:47,241 Speaker 1: would just crave the feeling of getting in there and 181 00:07:48,361 --> 00:07:50,001 Speaker 1: I just want to hurt you, like that feeling of 182 00:07:50,001 --> 00:07:52,921 Speaker 1: punching someone like their nose across the knuckles. I was 183 00:07:52,961 --> 00:07:58,481 Speaker 1: just like, oh, I was just like give it like yeah. 184 00:07:58,681 --> 00:08:02,521 Speaker 1: So I was like yeah, quite like and like my videos, 185 00:08:02,561 --> 00:08:04,841 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, how embarrassing. Might don't anyone 186 00:08:04,841 --> 00:08:05,401 Speaker 1: tell me how? 187 00:08:05,921 --> 00:08:08,641 Speaker 3: Because it's funny because everyone used to say something, what 188 00:08:08,521 --> 00:08:10,041 Speaker 3: what was it? Like, what's it like when you fucking 189 00:08:10,121 --> 00:08:12,161 Speaker 3: knocks one hour go? Like is it you get this 190 00:08:12,201 --> 00:08:13,761 Speaker 3: adrenalin roster? I said, yeah, yeah, I used to go 191 00:08:13,801 --> 00:08:17,321 Speaker 3: to work looking for it sometimes. Yes, because you you've 192 00:08:17,361 --> 00:08:20,481 Speaker 3: got that adrenaline you that you go looking for that fight. Yes, 193 00:08:20,561 --> 00:08:23,121 Speaker 3: and because no one realizes when you're you're in that 194 00:08:23,201 --> 00:08:27,321 Speaker 3: kind of mold and you love fighting that yeap, that crack. 195 00:08:28,001 --> 00:08:31,961 Speaker 1: Oh, it's just like like that. Yeah yeah. Oh. Mine 196 00:08:32,121 --> 00:08:33,921 Speaker 1: was sort of, you know, more so the fact that 197 00:08:34,521 --> 00:08:36,601 Speaker 1: they think they can beat me and I'm like no, 198 00:08:36,961 --> 00:08:38,881 Speaker 1: like no a chance, I'm going to beat you and 199 00:08:38,881 --> 00:08:41,521 Speaker 1: beat you good, like no, you're in my my square. 200 00:08:42,081 --> 00:08:44,161 Speaker 1: So that was more of the thing, like yeah, I 201 00:08:44,161 --> 00:08:46,321 Speaker 1: wanted to hurt them, and like that feeling of cracking 202 00:08:46,361 --> 00:08:48,761 Speaker 1: them and knocking them out and whatnot. And but it's 203 00:08:48,801 --> 00:08:50,881 Speaker 1: more so the fact that I'm like, how did you 204 00:08:50,921 --> 00:08:53,441 Speaker 1: have the audacity to think that, you know, like the 205 00:08:53,521 --> 00:08:56,801 Speaker 1: high did you? And me like did that? And then yeah, 206 00:08:56,801 --> 00:08:59,241 Speaker 1: obviously left home really early. I just sort of you 207 00:08:59,281 --> 00:09:03,201 Speaker 1: when you left on fifteen. So yeah, literally left, man, Yeah, 208 00:09:03,281 --> 00:09:05,481 Speaker 1: literally left and then went to like a refugee type 209 00:09:05,521 --> 00:09:08,201 Speaker 1: of house that they sort of put kids in people 210 00:09:08,281 --> 00:09:10,561 Speaker 1: who have like suffered, you know, domestic violence and all 211 00:09:10,601 --> 00:09:12,921 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So I whilst up to there 212 00:09:12,961 --> 00:09:14,681 Speaker 1: and I said, look, I've got to live. And you know, 213 00:09:14,801 --> 00:09:17,121 Speaker 1: Mum and Dad were like they were pissed off. So 214 00:09:17,281 --> 00:09:19,441 Speaker 1: they're just as stubborn as me, you know, and you know, 215 00:09:19,521 --> 00:09:21,641 Speaker 1: like I broke their hearts doing that. So and and 216 00:09:21,721 --> 00:09:23,081 Speaker 1: when I left, they were like, you know what, You're 217 00:09:23,081 --> 00:09:25,081 Speaker 1: going to turn into the ship that you're hanging out with. 218 00:09:25,481 --> 00:09:27,841 Speaker 1: And in my head, I was like, nah, I'm not 219 00:09:27,841 --> 00:09:30,921 Speaker 1: going to do that. So even though like I hated 220 00:09:30,921 --> 00:09:32,401 Speaker 1: them at the time, I still wanted to prove a 221 00:09:32,441 --> 00:09:37,161 Speaker 1: point that yes, yeah, I was like, I'm going to 222 00:09:37,201 --> 00:09:39,001 Speaker 1: prove to you that I'm going to make you proud. 223 00:09:39,281 --> 00:09:42,041 Speaker 1: So and I think now that I finally am so 224 00:09:42,041 --> 00:09:45,201 Speaker 1: so I went started to work at the pub fifteen 225 00:09:45,521 --> 00:09:48,441 Speaker 1: do what bar made, bade cleaning whatever? 226 00:09:48,521 --> 00:09:50,041 Speaker 2: Would you get a job at fifteen to all. 227 00:09:50,081 --> 00:09:52,281 Speaker 1: The guy that got me the job boxes with me. 228 00:09:52,481 --> 00:09:54,201 Speaker 1: So it was like that's a good thing about boxing. 229 00:09:54,201 --> 00:09:56,241 Speaker 1: If you're in with the people, they sort of look 230 00:09:56,281 --> 00:09:58,961 Speaker 1: after you of thing. Yeah, super young, you know. 231 00:10:01,321 --> 00:10:03,761 Speaker 2: But you worked down the bar, so be I'm there and. 232 00:10:03,761 --> 00:10:06,401 Speaker 1: Then put up with all and on since like and 233 00:10:06,561 --> 00:10:08,121 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and because I was 234 00:10:08,201 --> 00:10:11,201 Speaker 1: a young girl, like men would come in and they'd 235 00:10:11,201 --> 00:10:12,881 Speaker 1: be like, oh hey, and like we'd have a little 236 00:10:12,881 --> 00:10:14,721 Speaker 1: tip jo you know there stubby coolers, a little foe. 237 00:10:15,521 --> 00:10:16,841 Speaker 1: I had one of those. I don't even think they 238 00:10:16,881 --> 00:10:19,521 Speaker 1: have them anymore. But I had my cooler and guys 239 00:10:19,521 --> 00:10:21,481 Speaker 1: would be like, you know, putting tips in and I 240 00:10:21,641 --> 00:10:23,921 Speaker 1: was like, oh yes, So I would buy my groceries 241 00:10:24,041 --> 00:10:26,441 Speaker 1: out of that, Like yeah, I had nothing, Like I 242 00:10:26,561 --> 00:10:28,441 Speaker 1: had no food. And like some of the girls that 243 00:10:28,561 --> 00:10:30,961 Speaker 1: moved into this house, you know, they were like real 244 00:10:31,041 --> 00:10:32,681 Speaker 1: hot and whatnot, and I was just like this little 245 00:10:32,761 --> 00:10:35,801 Speaker 1: boy fight and everybody and like you know, working in pubs, 246 00:10:35,841 --> 00:10:37,961 Speaker 1: living off my tips and you know, trying to freed 247 00:10:38,041 --> 00:10:40,441 Speaker 1: my parents. Wrong and yeah, like they still were in 248 00:10:40,481 --> 00:10:42,681 Speaker 1: contact with their parents, so they still had you know, 249 00:10:42,881 --> 00:10:44,841 Speaker 1: the rent paid forum and all that sort of stuff. 250 00:10:44,921 --> 00:10:47,121 Speaker 1: So you know, quite young having to you know, deal 251 00:10:47,201 --> 00:10:49,801 Speaker 1: with the adult world, and and you know there was 252 00:10:49,881 --> 00:10:51,721 Speaker 1: there was a lot of you know, nonsense that on 253 00:10:52,241 --> 00:10:54,401 Speaker 1: any help at all, no, I know, because yeah, I 254 00:10:54,561 --> 00:10:56,361 Speaker 1: just cut you know, I cut my family off and 255 00:10:56,681 --> 00:10:58,801 Speaker 1: and my parents were annoyed at me, which they had 256 00:10:58,841 --> 00:11:02,161 Speaker 1: to right to be annoyed. So yeah, so after like obviously, 257 00:11:02,241 --> 00:11:04,161 Speaker 1: you know, you're in a world of you're young, you're 258 00:11:04,201 --> 00:11:06,601 Speaker 1: in a pub, there's a world of temptation. I think 259 00:11:06,681 --> 00:11:09,961 Speaker 1: boxing definitely kept me on the street. Now obviously your 260 00:11:10,001 --> 00:11:10,721 Speaker 1: party and whatnot. 261 00:11:10,801 --> 00:11:12,321 Speaker 2: But how long did you stay in that town for 262 00:11:12,481 --> 00:11:14,361 Speaker 2: before you When was I there too? 263 00:11:14,401 --> 00:11:17,481 Speaker 1: I think about eighteen, so yeah, stayed there and I 264 00:11:17,601 --> 00:11:20,761 Speaker 1: just saw it, Man, there's nothing here. When the boys 265 00:11:20,841 --> 00:11:22,641 Speaker 1: of school, that'd all go to the mines and then 266 00:11:22,761 --> 00:11:25,961 Speaker 1: the girls just did a hairdressing apprenticeship or something like that, 267 00:11:26,161 --> 00:11:28,001 Speaker 1: like and I was like, I'm not a hairdresser like 268 00:11:28,081 --> 00:11:30,401 Speaker 1: I wanted more, so I left and went to the 269 00:11:30,481 --> 00:11:33,761 Speaker 1: next small town just two hours away, and that was 270 00:11:34,561 --> 00:11:37,321 Speaker 1: I ended up managing a gym at eighteen, so still 271 00:11:37,401 --> 00:11:40,601 Speaker 1: quite young. Yeah, and a lot of responsibility. So yeah, 272 00:11:40,721 --> 00:11:42,241 Speaker 1: so went there and managed a gym. 273 00:11:42,361 --> 00:11:44,001 Speaker 2: And did you still have a goal in your head 274 00:11:44,081 --> 00:11:44,881 Speaker 2: about your boxing? 275 00:11:45,081 --> 00:11:47,441 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, still struggle to get fights. And it come 276 00:11:47,441 --> 00:11:49,201 Speaker 1: to the point where it was like, you know, you're 277 00:11:49,201 --> 00:11:51,081 Speaker 1: too heavy, you're too big, you're a big girl. 278 00:11:51,241 --> 00:11:52,241 Speaker 2: And then I. 279 00:11:52,281 --> 00:11:54,921 Speaker 1: Started mentally thinking, oh shit, now I'm fat. I can't 280 00:11:54,961 --> 00:11:57,401 Speaker 1: get fights. And I'd go to the gym and like, 281 00:11:57,721 --> 00:11:59,681 Speaker 1: and it's a health obviously, you go there to be healthy. 282 00:11:59,801 --> 00:12:02,041 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't eat all day, Like I'd go home 283 00:12:02,121 --> 00:12:03,881 Speaker 1: make myself spew to try and lose weight. And I 284 00:12:03,921 --> 00:12:06,801 Speaker 1: started develop a real crack eating habits. So and I 285 00:12:06,881 --> 00:12:09,281 Speaker 1: would help people at the gym to get out of that. 286 00:12:09,721 --> 00:12:11,401 Speaker 1: But in my own mind, I was going through all 287 00:12:11,481 --> 00:12:12,041 Speaker 1: this nonsense. 288 00:12:12,481 --> 00:12:13,881 Speaker 2: They were just saying that because you were a brawl 289 00:12:13,921 --> 00:12:15,481 Speaker 2: and they they shouldn't find a fight for it. 290 00:12:15,721 --> 00:12:18,401 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not too sure, Like, yeah, I was always 291 00:12:18,401 --> 00:12:20,441 Speaker 1: around the seventy kilo mark, but it would. 292 00:12:20,201 --> 00:12:22,361 Speaker 3: Be hard to get a fit, like I don't know, 293 00:12:22,401 --> 00:12:24,041 Speaker 3: because I don't know if I've never lived in the country. 294 00:12:24,081 --> 00:12:26,481 Speaker 3: But the thing, yeah, to get like if you lived 295 00:12:26,521 --> 00:12:28,081 Speaker 3: in the city. Surely it wouldn't be hard to get 296 00:12:28,121 --> 00:12:31,321 Speaker 3: females back then to fight you. But living in the town, 297 00:12:31,841 --> 00:12:35,201 Speaker 3: a small town, yeah, you're finding like farmer Joe to 298 00:12:35,241 --> 00:12:36,441 Speaker 3: come and get Yeah you know what I mean. 299 00:12:37,281 --> 00:12:42,121 Speaker 1: Someone else's with a pitchfork. Yeah, yeah, So but I 300 00:12:42,161 --> 00:12:43,921 Speaker 1: think because we're so far away as well, the next 301 00:12:44,721 --> 00:12:47,561 Speaker 1: bigger place for more fighters is Brisbane. So yeah, I 302 00:12:47,641 --> 00:12:49,401 Speaker 1: sort of stayed in Brazil I and Mackay for a 303 00:12:49,481 --> 00:12:52,361 Speaker 1: bit and that's like ten hours I think from Brisbane. 304 00:12:52,401 --> 00:12:55,521 Speaker 1: So I got closer and closer and started to realize like, 305 00:12:55,641 --> 00:12:59,041 Speaker 1: there's not much here for me boxing wise. So did 306 00:12:59,121 --> 00:13:01,841 Speaker 1: that and then yeah, I had a kid at like 307 00:13:01,921 --> 00:13:03,961 Speaker 1: twenty four and then got bored, like he was a 308 00:13:03,961 --> 00:13:04,321 Speaker 1: few weeks. 309 00:13:05,081 --> 00:13:07,561 Speaker 2: How did that go with having a child and then 310 00:13:07,601 --> 00:13:08,521 Speaker 2: having to stop boxing. 311 00:13:08,721 --> 00:13:11,081 Speaker 1: Well, I'd only stopped it for a little while because 312 00:13:11,081 --> 00:13:13,521 Speaker 1: I wanted to do the Olympics. So after it was 313 00:13:13,561 --> 00:13:16,561 Speaker 1: probably about three months after I had my first fight back, 314 00:13:17,241 --> 00:13:18,761 Speaker 1: and I had a cesarean, so I was still quite 315 00:13:18,801 --> 00:13:20,481 Speaker 1: sore and I had not long had stitches out and 316 00:13:20,521 --> 00:13:23,241 Speaker 1: he's supposed to have six weeks off anyway, but I'd 317 00:13:23,281 --> 00:13:25,361 Speaker 1: stripped the weight it got straight back in and like 318 00:13:25,481 --> 00:13:27,721 Speaker 1: I was just adamant to get in the Olympics, and yeah, 319 00:13:27,801 --> 00:13:30,521 Speaker 1: straight back in training, got some more fights, started traveling 320 00:13:30,561 --> 00:13:34,561 Speaker 1: to Brisbane, affair bid, the relationship went south, and yeah, 321 00:13:34,641 --> 00:13:36,361 Speaker 1: I just just didn't want to be there. I just 322 00:13:36,481 --> 00:13:39,561 Speaker 1: was not happy at all. So I wanted the next thing. 323 00:13:39,601 --> 00:13:41,961 Speaker 1: I was like, see you later, mate, I'm going I'm 324 00:13:42,001 --> 00:13:43,441 Speaker 1: got to brazied to be something. 325 00:13:45,001 --> 00:13:48,921 Speaker 2: Now. Was it devastating that you didn't make that dream 326 00:13:48,961 --> 00:13:49,921 Speaker 2: happen about the Olympics. 327 00:13:50,121 --> 00:13:52,601 Speaker 1: Yes, I left everything. I left my house, I left 328 00:13:52,761 --> 00:13:55,561 Speaker 1: my partner, I left my gym, I shut everything down, 329 00:13:56,201 --> 00:13:59,401 Speaker 1: left that town with nothing like obviously I had a 330 00:13:59,401 --> 00:14:02,321 Speaker 1: bad separation, a bad separation. We separated, it was bad, 331 00:14:02,401 --> 00:14:06,241 Speaker 1: messy whatever left And I was, I'm coming here for 332 00:14:06,281 --> 00:14:09,521 Speaker 1: the Olympics. So for me to fail at that being 333 00:14:09,601 --> 00:14:12,521 Speaker 1: someone so stubborn and will work my butt off to 334 00:14:12,761 --> 00:14:14,881 Speaker 1: get what I have set out to do, like one 335 00:14:14,921 --> 00:14:16,641 Speaker 1: way or another, like if I fail, or try again, 336 00:14:16,841 --> 00:14:19,441 Speaker 1: like try a different way. Yeah, it just like I 337 00:14:19,521 --> 00:14:21,321 Speaker 1: came to Brisil and I had nothing, like we had 338 00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:23,481 Speaker 1: a car, had no aircorn in it. I had my 339 00:14:23,601 --> 00:14:26,041 Speaker 1: son and my dog and a bag of clothes, where 340 00:14:26,081 --> 00:14:28,721 Speaker 1: nowhere to live, nothing, no money, nothing, and just drove 341 00:14:29,161 --> 00:14:30,161 Speaker 1: come here and I was like, you know what, I'm 342 00:14:30,161 --> 00:14:32,201 Speaker 1: gonna make something in Brisbane. I'm gonna box, I'm gonna 343 00:14:32,201 --> 00:14:34,561 Speaker 1: go to the Olympics, try it out for it and 344 00:14:34,641 --> 00:14:38,761 Speaker 1: fell short. Yeah I lost. I lost just on points. 345 00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:41,681 Speaker 1: So when you're say out in the country, the fighting 346 00:14:41,761 --> 00:14:44,321 Speaker 1: style is not so much points when you come to 347 00:14:44,401 --> 00:14:47,201 Speaker 1: the city, it's like all pitter, powder points and whatnot. 348 00:14:47,241 --> 00:14:49,201 Speaker 1: So I've come from like a style of fighting where 349 00:14:49,241 --> 00:14:52,121 Speaker 1: it's like brawling. You get in, you punch them up afterwards, 350 00:14:52,161 --> 00:14:53,641 Speaker 1: you punch them up in the car park as well, 351 00:14:55,001 --> 00:14:56,921 Speaker 1: or you know you're coaching the corner punches on with 352 00:14:57,001 --> 00:14:59,961 Speaker 1: it like really rough. So I come to Brisley and 353 00:14:59,961 --> 00:15:02,441 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I've got a like pit a pattern. 354 00:15:02,521 --> 00:15:04,161 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm coming to break your nose. 355 00:15:04,281 --> 00:15:04,321 Speaker 2: Like. 356 00:15:04,801 --> 00:15:06,841 Speaker 1: So I was going in for like you know, the knockouts, 357 00:15:06,921 --> 00:15:09,761 Speaker 1: the blood, and then while I was doing like these 358 00:15:09,801 --> 00:15:12,281 Speaker 1: big hits, I was getting like tapped tap tap, and 359 00:15:12,401 --> 00:15:14,001 Speaker 1: I was like after I was like I lost that, 360 00:15:14,201 --> 00:15:16,121 Speaker 1: I'm like I'm not hurt, Like I just didn't get it. 361 00:15:16,281 --> 00:15:19,481 Speaker 1: So every I know, So I was like far out 362 00:15:19,641 --> 00:15:22,881 Speaker 1: and like to throw so much away. I mean, it 363 00:15:23,001 --> 00:15:25,881 Speaker 1: was great that I would have left that relationship like 364 00:15:25,961 --> 00:15:29,201 Speaker 1: that anyway, so which was good, but just to sort 365 00:15:29,241 --> 00:15:31,641 Speaker 1: of have so much confidence in myself and think, yeah, yeah, 366 00:15:31,641 --> 00:15:33,761 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the Olympics for it and 367 00:15:33,921 --> 00:15:36,641 Speaker 1: not win, like yeah, it was depressing, Like boxing is 368 00:15:36,721 --> 00:15:39,681 Speaker 1: the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. Like 369 00:15:39,761 --> 00:15:42,841 Speaker 1: when you lose, it's it's full depression, like you just 370 00:15:44,241 --> 00:15:46,681 Speaker 1: hundred percent. Like I was in Brisbane. I had no money, 371 00:15:47,201 --> 00:15:49,641 Speaker 1: I had, you know, no furniture. I just started over, 372 00:15:49,681 --> 00:15:51,721 Speaker 1: like I left everything with him and I and when 373 00:15:51,761 --> 00:15:55,161 Speaker 1: I left, I literally said, I'm going to rebuild. You 374 00:15:55,241 --> 00:15:57,521 Speaker 1: can have the keys. I'll rebuild ten times better, you 375 00:15:57,601 --> 00:16:00,481 Speaker 1: can have everything. I'm out like I enjoy it, like 376 00:16:00,521 --> 00:16:02,401 Speaker 1: because you'll never do this on your own. I will. 377 00:16:02,881 --> 00:16:04,521 Speaker 1: And I come to Brisbee and I failed, and I 378 00:16:04,641 --> 00:16:07,641 Speaker 1: was like, how embarrassed you still think you failed? No? No, no, no, 379 00:16:07,721 --> 00:16:09,841 Speaker 1: I think it's a lesson. Yeah yeah, no, I don't 380 00:16:09,881 --> 00:16:12,441 Speaker 1: think now. I think it just wasn't meant to be. 381 00:16:12,881 --> 00:16:14,521 Speaker 1: And when I was sort of trying to be in 382 00:16:14,561 --> 00:16:16,841 Speaker 1: the Olympics, it is a very controlled environment, so I 383 00:16:16,921 --> 00:16:19,041 Speaker 1: had a kid at the time, Like, no one wants 384 00:16:19,121 --> 00:16:21,081 Speaker 1: to put someone in the ais with a kid, like 385 00:16:21,201 --> 00:16:23,481 Speaker 1: you know, you've got plus one everywhere. So that's where 386 00:16:23,481 --> 00:16:26,401 Speaker 1: I sort of led into the professional scene where yeah, 387 00:16:26,481 --> 00:16:28,961 Speaker 1: you you train, it suits you. You you know, you 388 00:16:29,001 --> 00:16:30,841 Speaker 1: can bring your kids to And I've got a really 389 00:16:30,881 --> 00:16:33,401 Speaker 1: good club, Logan Boxing team and a great coach Chris 390 00:16:33,521 --> 00:16:36,761 Speaker 1: McCullen that I can go and bring the kids and 391 00:16:36,841 --> 00:16:39,401 Speaker 1: that will help out. It's a good family environment where 392 00:16:39,441 --> 00:16:42,241 Speaker 1: I am so sort of fell into that and thought, man, 393 00:16:42,281 --> 00:16:44,121 Speaker 1: why didn't I do professional scene earlier? 394 00:16:44,281 --> 00:16:46,121 Speaker 3: Like I was going to ask you, did you like, 395 00:16:46,241 --> 00:16:48,041 Speaker 3: did you when you didn't get accepted to go in 396 00:16:48,081 --> 00:16:49,801 Speaker 3: the Olympics? Yeah, where are you going to push to 397 00:16:49,881 --> 00:16:51,201 Speaker 3: go into the next one after that? 398 00:16:51,601 --> 00:16:51,641 Speaker 1: No? 399 00:16:51,841 --> 00:16:53,321 Speaker 2: I just sort of thought, you know, I like say 400 00:16:53,441 --> 00:16:55,001 Speaker 2: just that and just wanted to go pro. Yeah. 401 00:16:55,041 --> 00:16:56,641 Speaker 1: I just thought yeah, and I kept sort of I 402 00:16:56,721 --> 00:16:58,321 Speaker 1: was working at a gym in the time and doing 403 00:16:58,441 --> 00:17:00,801 Speaker 1: I've always worked two jobs to make ends meet, and 404 00:17:01,201 --> 00:17:03,681 Speaker 1: went from food vouchers living off that to I've got 405 00:17:03,721 --> 00:17:05,361 Speaker 1: a job now I don't have to live a few 406 00:17:05,681 --> 00:17:08,521 Speaker 1: Salvation Army vouchers to feed my kid, and I sort 407 00:17:08,561 --> 00:17:10,761 Speaker 1: of focusing on work, and then in the gym you 408 00:17:10,801 --> 00:17:13,081 Speaker 1: obviously meet people. And I started training at that gym 409 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,561 Speaker 1: for boxing and then led to another gym. And I'm 410 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: quite low a though, like I haven't jumped around gym's, 411 00:17:17,801 --> 00:17:19,441 Speaker 1: Like I've been with my coach now for like six 412 00:17:19,521 --> 00:17:22,241 Speaker 1: seven years, and before that, I was with yeah, another 413 00:17:22,321 --> 00:17:24,161 Speaker 1: coach and we just sort of were still in contact, 414 00:17:24,281 --> 00:17:27,001 Speaker 1: like I've never burned bridges and that. So yeah, then 415 00:17:27,281 --> 00:17:30,281 Speaker 1: the professional scene came about, and that was good. It 416 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: was so good. 417 00:17:31,721 --> 00:17:35,121 Speaker 3: Describe it described your first fight turn pro, like how 418 00:17:35,281 --> 00:17:36,521 Speaker 3: how how was the feeling for you? 419 00:17:36,801 --> 00:17:37,001 Speaker 1: Yeah? 420 00:17:37,201 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: It was. 421 00:17:38,481 --> 00:17:40,761 Speaker 1: It was funny because I still had no money and 422 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: like I'd like, I started to look at like professionals 423 00:17:43,201 --> 00:17:45,241 Speaker 1: and god, this girl has got like look at a 424 00:17:45,321 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: cool skirt, look at this and that. I rock up 425 00:17:47,761 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: and there bustared ass pants from Thailand that I'd had 426 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: from when I was like a kid, and I handstitched 427 00:17:52,681 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: my logo on the front of the really so did. 428 00:17:55,521 --> 00:17:59,721 Speaker 1: I handstitched it and rocked up like hobo jo And 429 00:17:59,761 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: I was just like, hmm, wow, I need a new 430 00:18:03,481 --> 00:18:05,961 Speaker 1: outfit for one. But I was like then it just 431 00:18:06,041 --> 00:18:08,281 Speaker 1: switched and I thought you know what, who cares what 432 00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:10,561 Speaker 1: you're wearing, just get in and fight. So it was over. 433 00:18:10,961 --> 00:18:13,001 Speaker 1: I think the second round it was like a knockout, 434 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,561 Speaker 1: like a t KO. Yeah, so that was good. And 435 00:18:15,681 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: even the day of that, the day before, my initial 436 00:18:18,441 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: opponent pulled out, so there's there's always something that happens 437 00:18:21,681 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: before like a fight. But yeah, so she pulled out 438 00:18:24,001 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: and we'll just scrambling to find someone and yeah, this 439 00:18:26,201 --> 00:18:28,521 Speaker 1: girl jumped in and you know, people were saying she's 440 00:18:28,521 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: going to knock you out, and there's all this beef 441 00:18:30,281 --> 00:18:31,761 Speaker 1: and got in there and I did it and I 442 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,241 Speaker 1: was like holy shit. And then I was like back 443 00:18:33,281 --> 00:18:34,121 Speaker 1: on top of the world. 444 00:18:34,001 --> 00:18:36,321 Speaker 2: There, like, yeah, your family comes to watch you for 445 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: the first one, not the first one? 446 00:18:38,041 --> 00:18:40,481 Speaker 1: No, no, so we still weren't now still went talking 447 00:18:40,721 --> 00:18:42,041 Speaker 1: really yeah it was a long time. 448 00:18:42,241 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: Wow, that hard, but no support. 449 00:18:44,281 --> 00:18:47,561 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I had my friends, friends, my son, my 450 00:18:47,681 --> 00:18:51,241 Speaker 1: partner and yeah, they were all there and it was good. 451 00:18:51,321 --> 00:18:53,041 Speaker 1: So it was just in a small little Yeah, it 452 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,321 Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't a huge fight night. That was a stepping 453 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,601 Speaker 1: stone and that opened everything then, so it was like, yeah, 454 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,081 Speaker 1: I had my first fight. It was a great win. 455 00:18:59,481 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: What's next. So I've had eleven eleven fights, Yeah, eleven pros, 456 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: but like over fifty amateurs. Yeah. The procein is I 457 00:19:08,761 --> 00:19:11,241 Speaker 1: just wouldn't I wish I did it earlier? Really, Yeah, 458 00:19:11,481 --> 00:19:14,801 Speaker 1: it's it's good. So you meet so many people and 459 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: just coming from sort of and it's you. You shape 460 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:21,721 Speaker 1: it to what you know, You shape the whole professional 461 00:19:21,801 --> 00:19:23,801 Speaker 1: thing to suit you. Then you're not being dictated by 462 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: Oh yes, you're not being dictated by anyone else. And 463 00:19:26,201 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: that might suit other people, but for me, I was like, no, 464 00:19:28,801 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: I needed to work in with my kids and yeah, 465 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:31,521 Speaker 1: do you think it? 466 00:19:31,561 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: Do you think a female boxer or any boxer in 467 00:19:33,721 --> 00:19:37,601 Speaker 3: Australia you have to make it in the UK or America. 468 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,961 Speaker 1: It's so hard in Australia. There's no money, Like, there's 469 00:19:41,001 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: absolutely no money in it. So and that's why girls 470 00:19:43,761 --> 00:19:45,721 Speaker 1: do you know, they do the side hustles and all 471 00:19:45,721 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. 472 00:19:46,481 --> 00:19:49,401 Speaker 2: So is that your goal to hit America? 473 00:19:49,481 --> 00:20:03,721 Speaker 1: And there's my lenk No, yeah, obviously we want to 474 00:20:03,761 --> 00:20:07,281 Speaker 1: get over to Yeah, America in the UK. So if 475 00:20:07,321 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: this next fight for the world title doesn't go ahead 476 00:20:09,761 --> 00:20:13,601 Speaker 1: in Brizzy, we'll flick that opponent and we'll start going 477 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,241 Speaker 1: for the American. 478 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: Okay, is there anyone in Manda? You've got an America 479 00:20:16,961 --> 00:20:18,001 Speaker 2: so that you want to go for. 480 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,041 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a couple of girls in there, but 481 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,881 Speaker 1: it's sort of yeah, there's Amanda, Amanda, Well a girl 482 00:20:24,921 --> 00:20:28,281 Speaker 1: called what Pool. She she's the next one down, so 483 00:20:28,441 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: she's pretty good. That'd be a really tough fight. But 484 00:20:30,721 --> 00:20:35,281 Speaker 1: the IBF, because we're ranked, they've ordered another girl called 485 00:20:35,321 --> 00:20:38,561 Speaker 1: case Scott to fight, so she's number two obviously in Australia, 486 00:20:38,761 --> 00:20:40,521 Speaker 1: which would be good because we'd actually fought for the 487 00:20:40,561 --> 00:20:43,761 Speaker 1: Aussie title and the decision didn't go my way and 488 00:20:43,921 --> 00:20:46,281 Speaker 1: like everyone still blows up about it. They're like, that 489 00:20:46,441 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: was absolute. 490 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: Bullshit, Like you think there's a lot of corruption. 491 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:53,081 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so bad, yeap so And I think too. 492 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,561 Speaker 1: It was like she's like this golden girl from you know, 493 00:20:55,681 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: the Olympics and Comic Games, and it was like, oh, yeah, 494 00:20:57,921 --> 00:21:00,441 Speaker 1: Dais you know, she will fight anyone. And I felt 495 00:21:00,481 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: like that day they were just watching her, you know, 496 00:21:02,681 --> 00:21:04,521 Speaker 1: Like but then I'm like, was it all a plan? 497 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: Like I don't know. So I think from that fight 498 00:21:07,921 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: when I got ripped off, I thought man, I'm just 499 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: gonna have to go in and really go back to 500 00:21:12,041 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: what I used to be, like a psycho brawler and 501 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: just knock people out. So I had to fight not 502 00:21:16,281 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: long ago in March, and I just said I snapped 503 00:21:19,441 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, right, I'm not leaving it in 504 00:21:20,921 --> 00:21:22,681 Speaker 1: the judge's hands. I'm gonna try and knock her out. 505 00:21:23,481 --> 00:21:25,521 Speaker 1: And then got the t KO which was good. And 506 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,521 Speaker 1: then had another fight Thailand and I was like, right, 507 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,041 Speaker 1: gotta do it again, no judge's hands, and then got 508 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,641 Speaker 1: the t k oh again. Yeah. 509 00:21:31,761 --> 00:21:33,721 Speaker 3: So we I think that gets you more attention because 510 00:21:34,201 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 3: any box who wh's knocking out all the time knocking 511 00:21:36,201 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: out gets the attention, and that's when the people like 512 00:21:39,001 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: the IBF. 513 00:21:39,521 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: A look and go, listen, we gotta give this. We've 514 00:21:41,561 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 2: got to put it with someone of these wavy. 515 00:21:43,441 --> 00:21:45,481 Speaker 1: Yeah, because some of the girls fights can be not 516 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,481 Speaker 1: that exciting, like and boys as well, But like, I 517 00:21:48,521 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: think you need to bring that. And I sort of 518 00:21:50,321 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: from going coming from a background where it was like 519 00:21:52,481 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: I was a psycho, I was knocking people out. I 520 00:21:54,201 --> 00:22:03,241 Speaker 1: had to be killed, but like I was like, oh no, 521 00:22:03,321 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: I don't want that reputation and not it fights anymore. 522 00:22:05,961 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: So I sort of tried to master the art of it, 523 00:22:08,681 --> 00:22:11,001 Speaker 1: and then I was like, stuff this, I'm going back 524 00:22:11,041 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: to psycho. 525 00:22:11,801 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: So what do you reckon? 526 00:22:13,481 --> 00:22:15,361 Speaker 3: What's what's your thoughts on you know there's a lot 527 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: of female influencers now going into boxing. 528 00:22:18,521 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 2: Yes, what's your thoughts on that? 529 00:22:20,561 --> 00:22:22,361 Speaker 1: I think it's a good money thing for them. 530 00:22:22,721 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: I guess they make Do you think they make more 531 00:22:24,521 --> 00:22:25,241 Speaker 2: money than what usual? 532 00:22:25,561 --> 00:22:26,561 Speaker 1: One hundred percent? 533 00:22:27,521 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: How is that fair? Then? 534 00:22:28,561 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: Is not fair? And that's the thing that kind of 535 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: annoyed me is like I've been fighting for twenty one years, 536 00:22:33,481 --> 00:22:35,761 Speaker 1: twenty one years later, I'm finally getting the opportunity to 537 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:38,801 Speaker 1: get a welld titled in my weight division like I 538 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,321 Speaker 1: fought for one last year. Two weight divisions up, like 539 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,801 Speaker 1: off fight anyone anywhere, whatever weight division I'll put on, 540 00:22:45,001 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: take off ten killers. I don't care as long as 541 00:22:46,681 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: I fight. And even that that didn't pay a lot 542 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,361 Speaker 1: of money, Like it was like I'd left and I've 543 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: got taxed on it, and I was just like come 544 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,121 Speaker 1: home and I'm like far out, Like that's a world 545 00:22:56,201 --> 00:22:58,961 Speaker 1: titled paycheck, you know, like guys get a lot more. 546 00:22:59,921 --> 00:23:02,881 Speaker 1: And it's sort of like I'm happy for the influence 547 00:23:02,961 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: and influencers and you know, I'm friends with the lot 548 00:23:05,201 --> 00:23:08,081 Speaker 1: of them, but I just think like, yeah, kind of yeah, 549 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: it takes a piss out of us. 550 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,721 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've seen what they can get, like, you know, 551 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 3: like even fighting over in the UK too, a lot 552 00:23:14,001 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 3: of them are And how you getting that when you 553 00:23:16,761 --> 00:23:19,041 Speaker 3: can't even get it and get your the number one? 554 00:23:19,281 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: Yep ye And I've busted. 555 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,561 Speaker 2: Yeah dras to get where you are and they've had 556 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: like two fights and they're already. 557 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: You know, that's crazy. It's outside. 558 00:23:27,761 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: Is it because of is it because of what they've 559 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,961 Speaker 3: done like as an influencer, or is it because of 560 00:23:32,001 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 3: the management? 561 00:23:32,561 --> 00:23:34,561 Speaker 2: What is it that stopped think it's more. 562 00:23:34,441 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: So the fact that people tuning in and it's creating 563 00:23:37,001 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: that that talk that oh such and such as fighting. 564 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: It's all about money, that's all it is. That's what 565 00:23:42,681 --> 00:23:44,721 Speaker 1: it comes down to, is like you know, getting bums 566 00:23:44,761 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: on seats, getting people to buy the pay per view. 567 00:23:46,481 --> 00:23:48,801 Speaker 2: We use an't allowed to fight each other values that they. 568 00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:51,681 Speaker 1: Can don't think. So I think like, well, Jake Paul 569 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: is doing it with people, so I don't know, like 570 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: I'll fight an influencer, you know. But yeah, so it's 571 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: kind of it is it is unfair. Yeah, so, especially 572 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,201 Speaker 1: when you've done it for so long and you sacrificed 573 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,001 Speaker 1: years of life with so many up, so many downs. 574 00:24:10,041 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 3: You know, when you see someone who's just been boxing 575 00:24:11,761 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: for like a fucking two years and yeah, and they 576 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: get more than you, and they're getting out there more 577 00:24:16,281 --> 00:24:17,121 Speaker 3: than what Yeah. 578 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but what sort of with the pros. It's like 579 00:24:19,561 --> 00:24:22,721 Speaker 1: boxing itself doesn't pay a lot, but your sponsors do. 580 00:24:22,961 --> 00:24:25,721 Speaker 1: So you know, I was going, I was busting my butt. 581 00:24:25,761 --> 00:24:27,441 Speaker 1: You know, I'd had you know, fast forward for years, 582 00:24:27,521 --> 00:24:31,041 Speaker 1: had two more kids, was concreting full time, so I'd 583 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,761 Speaker 1: get up in the morning, i was doing personal training, 584 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: concreting full time, professional fighting as well. Wow, you know, 585 00:24:37,001 --> 00:24:39,121 Speaker 1: like and I was, yeah, busting my butt with three 586 00:24:39,201 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: kids on my own, you know, like no help. And 587 00:24:42,961 --> 00:24:45,321 Speaker 1: even then, you know, like my sponsors are like, this 588 00:24:45,481 --> 00:24:48,001 Speaker 1: has to change. So yeah, so I've got a really 589 00:24:48,041 --> 00:24:50,761 Speaker 1: good sponsor now, our New Style Developments. They've sponsored me 590 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: full time. So I've done the hard yards with you know, 591 00:24:53,481 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: out there working with the men concreting and you know, 592 00:24:56,801 --> 00:24:59,321 Speaker 1: being one of the boys. And now I can fight 593 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: and train full time, which is good. So but that's 594 00:25:02,441 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: taken in like twenty one years to get there. So 595 00:25:05,801 --> 00:25:07,601 Speaker 1: you know, like whereas the influencers they can just kick 596 00:25:07,681 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: back and yeah, do not. 597 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,961 Speaker 2: Much like you think you'll stay middleweight? 598 00:25:13,441 --> 00:25:15,921 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I feel comfortable at middleweight. I mean, 599 00:25:16,201 --> 00:25:18,641 Speaker 1: but in saying that, like if there's a fight opportunity, 600 00:25:18,721 --> 00:25:20,001 Speaker 1: I'll go up or down or whatever. 601 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,761 Speaker 2: So depending on what it is, what's harder to go 602 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,321 Speaker 2: up or down? 603 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: Probably go down. 604 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,321 Speaker 2: I get to show because you're losing a lot of 605 00:25:25,481 --> 00:25:26,561 Speaker 2: energy from losing weight. Yeah. 606 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,041 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sort of like a bit of a 607 00:25:28,241 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: like I'm not super skinny, Like yeah, I think I'm 608 00:25:30,481 --> 00:25:32,041 Speaker 1: a little bit muscly sometimes. 609 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:33,561 Speaker 2: I can see it. 610 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,001 Speaker 1: Yeah, just to drop down from under seventy is really hard. Yeah. 611 00:25:39,201 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: So would you think you'd find a lot more opponents 612 00:25:42,921 --> 00:25:43,801 Speaker 2: if you went up or down? 613 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: Probably down? I think like the lighter divisions is a 614 00:25:46,961 --> 00:25:49,641 Speaker 1: lot more. Yeah. So I think like middleweight is kind 615 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: of that borderline, like you can either be there's not 616 00:25:51,721 --> 00:25:54,641 Speaker 1: many females as you can get no like seventy two kilos. 617 00:25:54,681 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: You can either be fit or you can be a 618 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,561 Speaker 1: bit you know, chubby or not you know what I mean. 619 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,041 Speaker 1: But they've got big engines though, Like yeah, some of 620 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: the girls, like you would look at them and think, oh, 621 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: they don't look like a boxer punch out ten rounds? 622 00:26:06,801 --> 00:26:07,481 Speaker 1: How did they do that? 623 00:26:08,281 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: You know? 624 00:26:08,561 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: And then you could look at me and be like, oh, 625 00:26:10,041 --> 00:26:12,041 Speaker 1: she looks you know, relatively fit, and I'm like gassed 626 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: and like eight rounds. 627 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 3: How I'm gonna go back because there's something that you 628 00:26:19,481 --> 00:26:22,801 Speaker 3: wrote to me, and it was about something about when 629 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: you were we don't have to name what the biking 630 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,441 Speaker 3: club was, ye, but yeah, and I was going. 631 00:26:27,281 --> 00:26:31,761 Speaker 2: What the fuck? And I had to read it twice 632 00:26:31,761 --> 00:26:33,761 Speaker 2: because yeah, did that really happen? 633 00:26:33,961 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, So I was in a pretty bad situation 634 00:26:37,281 --> 00:26:39,961 Speaker 1: and you know, like you know, young, and i'd sort 635 00:26:39,961 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: of you know, like I'll knock around with these people 636 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,761 Speaker 1: for a bit and go over there. And it was 637 00:26:43,801 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: one of them situations and it's sort of like there 638 00:26:45,721 --> 00:26:48,241 Speaker 1: was a party and you know, like this this guy 639 00:26:48,481 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: was you know into a lady, and I'm all about 640 00:26:51,041 --> 00:26:53,321 Speaker 1: like standing up for women, like you know, like like 641 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: I said, like, oh, you know, stand my ground against 642 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: a man or any man I like mentioned as well, 643 00:26:58,921 --> 00:27:01,681 Speaker 1: stand they ground too, but this guy was just yeah, 644 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,481 Speaker 1: I'd witnessed him do something really bad to this lady 645 00:27:04,521 --> 00:27:07,481 Speaker 1: and you know, she was getting raped and I'd sort 646 00:27:07,521 --> 00:27:08,921 Speaker 1: of seen it and I was like, what the hell. 647 00:27:09,001 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, shit, I'm out of my league here. This 648 00:27:11,001 --> 00:27:12,521 Speaker 1: isn't my place, this isn't my you know. I was 649 00:27:12,521 --> 00:27:15,281 Speaker 1: like in a shed and I thought, oh, you know what, like, 650 00:27:15,481 --> 00:27:16,721 Speaker 1: how was that nut stuff? But you know what, he 651 00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:18,481 Speaker 1: doesn't have the right to do that. So I'd sort 652 00:27:18,481 --> 00:27:20,761 Speaker 1: of grabbed him and he was like fairly high up 653 00:27:20,801 --> 00:27:23,001 Speaker 1: and marched him through past all of his members and 654 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: just got into him everybody and no one, no one 655 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: did a thing. 656 00:27:27,201 --> 00:27:27,241 Speaker 3: No. 657 00:27:27,441 --> 00:27:29,241 Speaker 1: I was like, right, who's next. I was just like, 658 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,961 Speaker 1: that is wrong. So you obviously saved the woman. And yeah, 659 00:27:33,041 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: that's sort of some of the things that you know, 660 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,041 Speaker 1: you know, when you leave home so early and you 661 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,121 Speaker 1: can get caught up in and you know, I wasn't 662 00:27:39,201 --> 00:27:41,281 Speaker 1: drinking that night, and I was sort of just you know, 663 00:27:41,481 --> 00:27:43,041 Speaker 1: floating around with some of the people I was training 664 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,161 Speaker 1: with and you know, enjoying the night and club meet 665 00:27:45,241 --> 00:27:47,481 Speaker 1: and yeah that happened, and I'm like I don't care, 666 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: like who this guy is, you know, his sergeant of 667 00:27:50,281 --> 00:27:52,721 Speaker 1: arms like I don't care who you are, like, you 668 00:27:52,801 --> 00:27:56,761 Speaker 1: don't do that to someone, and fairly embarrassed him of everybody. 669 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,281 Speaker 2: So nobody percussions from that, no thing, no, because when 670 00:28:01,281 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: I read that, I got to read that again. 671 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So I've had, like you know, like some 672 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: some crazy experiences, but in that like I sort of 673 00:28:09,681 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: look at that and go, I don't want to be 674 00:28:11,481 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: that woman in that position, Like I'd never leave myself 675 00:28:14,321 --> 00:28:16,761 Speaker 1: vulnerable like that, And she had obviously had a lot 676 00:28:16,801 --> 00:28:18,761 Speaker 1: to drink, and that's no excuse for what had happened 677 00:28:19,241 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: from there. I sort of think, you know, like every situation, 678 00:28:21,681 --> 00:28:23,401 Speaker 1: I mean, I sort of think like try and learn 679 00:28:23,441 --> 00:28:25,041 Speaker 1: from it and go like I don't want to do that. 680 00:28:25,321 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, so I sort of thought, oh man, I 681 00:28:27,721 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: was like, am I going to do this? 682 00:28:29,281 --> 00:28:29,721 Speaker 2: I'm doing it. 683 00:28:29,921 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing it. 684 00:28:32,801 --> 00:28:35,921 Speaker 2: Because I was pretty amazing. Just got to be recompacussion 685 00:28:37,241 --> 00:28:38,721 Speaker 2: when she said should we go down this path? And 686 00:28:38,761 --> 00:28:41,481 Speaker 2: I went, I'm going to go down this path. I'm 687 00:28:41,521 --> 00:28:42,281 Speaker 2: going down this path. 688 00:28:42,361 --> 00:28:44,721 Speaker 1: There's been a few sort of little yeah things where 689 00:28:44,721 --> 00:28:46,561 Speaker 1: I've had to grow up quite quick. 690 00:28:46,361 --> 00:28:48,721 Speaker 2: And I've seen that you've hit rock bottom you know 691 00:28:48,921 --> 00:28:49,721 Speaker 2: a few times. 692 00:28:49,641 --> 00:28:52,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, heaps, Yeah, yeah, and you just have to Yeah. 693 00:28:52,521 --> 00:28:55,001 Speaker 1: I mean you only get tougher from it. So yeah, 694 00:28:55,081 --> 00:28:56,761 Speaker 1: and at the time, like it sucks, and I'm like, 695 00:28:56,841 --> 00:29:01,081 Speaker 1: come on, but you just rebuild. And I think as 696 00:29:01,121 --> 00:29:03,481 Speaker 1: I get older, you I sort of try and see 697 00:29:03,521 --> 00:29:06,001 Speaker 1: everything as a lesson and yeah, I'm like, hav many 698 00:29:06,041 --> 00:29:09,401 Speaker 1: more lessons though, Like, yeah, but that's life. Like everyone's 699 00:29:09,441 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: got their own battles and you know, everyone's I'd never 700 00:29:11,601 --> 00:29:14,041 Speaker 1: want to be poor me or you know ever, so 701 00:29:14,241 --> 00:29:14,721 Speaker 1: I just take it. 702 00:29:14,841 --> 00:29:16,561 Speaker 3: When you're when you were at your rock bottom, what 703 00:29:16,761 --> 00:29:18,561 Speaker 3: was going through your head? Did you want to give them? 704 00:29:18,841 --> 00:29:20,961 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think the rock bottom for me, the worst 705 00:29:21,001 --> 00:29:23,681 Speaker 1: one was leaving, like leaving my house that I'd built, 706 00:29:24,201 --> 00:29:27,321 Speaker 1: leaving everything and having someone who was trying to be 707 00:29:27,441 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: really malicious and playing mind games on top of knowing 708 00:29:30,841 --> 00:29:33,881 Speaker 1: that I've left a shit situation gone to a new 709 00:29:33,961 --> 00:29:35,761 Speaker 1: one to rebuild my life and someone was trying to 710 00:29:35,841 --> 00:29:37,521 Speaker 1: take it from me and my son from me, and 711 00:29:37,601 --> 00:29:39,521 Speaker 1: I was like, man. Then I was like no, no, 712 00:29:39,601 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to be in the Olympics. And I failed, 713 00:29:41,361 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: like and then that was sort of like I've got 714 00:29:43,521 --> 00:29:46,561 Speaker 1: no money I'm living off food vouchers, like I like, 715 00:29:46,641 --> 00:29:48,401 Speaker 1: I was trying to google, you know, like you know, 716 00:29:48,521 --> 00:29:50,081 Speaker 1: you know, where can you get you know, free food 717 00:29:50,121 --> 00:29:52,521 Speaker 1: from where can you get like you know, soap washing 718 00:29:52,561 --> 00:29:54,961 Speaker 1: stuff like and you know, like then and then like 719 00:29:55,161 --> 00:29:57,001 Speaker 1: you know, running out, like getting my phone cut off, 720 00:29:57,201 --> 00:29:57,681 Speaker 1: like just. 721 00:29:57,841 --> 00:29:59,481 Speaker 2: Yeah it was And how long how long was that 722 00:29:59,561 --> 00:29:59,921 Speaker 2: going on for? 723 00:30:00,201 --> 00:30:02,881 Speaker 1: That was probably i'd say, good sort of three four months? Yeah, 724 00:30:03,081 --> 00:30:05,361 Speaker 1: so yeah, I just have that struggle of like. 725 00:30:05,481 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: You know, eleven from the car now. 726 00:30:07,441 --> 00:30:10,361 Speaker 1: I ended up moving into one of my friends nuns houses. 727 00:30:10,881 --> 00:30:12,801 Speaker 1: We stayed there for a bit, which is really good, 728 00:30:12,881 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: like she's saved us. Me and my son stayed there 729 00:30:15,281 --> 00:30:18,361 Speaker 1: for a bit and then I'd found a rental. I 730 00:30:18,481 --> 00:30:21,121 Speaker 1: moved into that and I'd got Stendelink payments and then 731 00:30:21,241 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: that whole pay went to the rent So that was it. 732 00:30:24,561 --> 00:30:26,041 Speaker 1: And I was like, man, like I have to have 733 00:30:26,081 --> 00:30:28,041 Speaker 1: a roof, like we had no bed. I actually brought 734 00:30:28,041 --> 00:30:30,561 Speaker 1: a bean bag. I had a bean bag and I 735 00:30:30,641 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: had a teeth a little TV that didn't work, so 736 00:30:32,481 --> 00:30:33,921 Speaker 1: I set it up and pretended that it worked. 737 00:30:36,041 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: What do you reckon? Your best fight is so far? 738 00:30:39,241 --> 00:30:42,281 Speaker 1: I think my best one would have been the Liney 739 00:30:42,401 --> 00:30:45,121 Speaker 1: Daniels fight. So we fought for the IBF world title 740 00:30:45,201 --> 00:30:47,521 Speaker 1: and it was heavyweight and that went ten rounds and 741 00:30:47,601 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: it was in her hometown. We'd went there and it 742 00:30:50,281 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: was sort of like at the time, we thought it 743 00:30:51,521 --> 00:30:52,921 Speaker 1: might have been a fifty to fifty fight, you know, 744 00:30:53,401 --> 00:30:55,081 Speaker 1: and it was like toe to toe, like it was 745 00:30:55,161 --> 00:30:56,721 Speaker 1: like every round I was like life or death. I 746 00:30:56,761 --> 00:30:58,801 Speaker 1: was like, shit, I just you can't blink. It was 747 00:30:58,921 --> 00:31:01,841 Speaker 1: just like full on. So that was probably the best 748 00:31:01,881 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: fight for me. Looking back at it, I'm like I 749 00:31:04,481 --> 00:31:06,881 Speaker 1: could have done this and that a lot better. But 750 00:31:07,041 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: that sort of was, yeah, fighting for the world title 751 00:31:09,561 --> 00:31:12,481 Speaker 1: and knowing that I'm in enemy territory. I was like, 752 00:31:12,961 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, they're so close with like you know, the 753 00:31:15,321 --> 00:31:18,121 Speaker 1: New Zealand culture and all that, and I was just 754 00:31:18,601 --> 00:31:21,961 Speaker 1: standing around like can we fight now? Like shit, like 755 00:31:23,081 --> 00:31:24,801 Speaker 1: but everyone thinks on New Zealand. So they were all 756 00:31:24,841 --> 00:31:27,121 Speaker 1: like pretty nice to me, really yeah, but I'm not 757 00:31:28,481 --> 00:31:30,201 Speaker 1: but that, yeah, that one would have been the best one. 758 00:31:30,561 --> 00:31:32,921 Speaker 1: And then I fought another one where I split my 759 00:31:33,001 --> 00:31:36,801 Speaker 1: lip in Melbourne and like I got the taste for 760 00:31:36,881 --> 00:31:38,321 Speaker 1: blind and I was like hell yeah, because she was 761 00:31:38,361 --> 00:31:39,681 Speaker 1: bleeding too, and I was like, that's so blind and 762 00:31:39,721 --> 00:31:41,041 Speaker 1: I was like yes, and then my lip was like 763 00:31:41,121 --> 00:31:43,481 Speaker 1: flapping and I was like, that's my lip and I 764 00:31:43,561 --> 00:31:48,121 Speaker 1: was like, oh no. So yeah, So I lost that fight, 765 00:31:48,161 --> 00:31:50,241 Speaker 1: which sucked better and that was close, but that could 766 00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:52,881 Speaker 1: have went either way that fight. So, and it's hard 767 00:31:52,921 --> 00:31:54,361 Speaker 1: when you fight away, and most of my fights had 768 00:31:54,361 --> 00:31:54,761 Speaker 1: been away. 769 00:31:54,921 --> 00:31:58,321 Speaker 2: But would you like to fight We're definitely like America. 770 00:31:58,121 --> 00:32:00,681 Speaker 1: Or the UK. Yeah, fight there. So we fought in 771 00:32:00,961 --> 00:32:03,961 Speaker 1: Thailand not long ago. We went there and we fought 772 00:32:03,961 --> 00:32:05,881 Speaker 1: at like ten am in the morning, and you know, 773 00:32:05,961 --> 00:32:08,481 Speaker 1: you got there in the uber of the taxi and 774 00:32:08,961 --> 00:32:10,441 Speaker 1: I was like god, all wrapped up. And I get 775 00:32:10,521 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: quite nervous before my fights. And my coaches is like, 776 00:32:13,281 --> 00:32:14,561 Speaker 1: oh man, do you need to go to the tour? 777 00:32:14,641 --> 00:32:15,321 Speaker 2: You get nervous? 778 00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:18,641 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I think it's like I'm not nervous or 779 00:32:18,721 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: scared of the person, like I don't care who you are, 780 00:32:21,681 --> 00:32:24,081 Speaker 1: like obviously from like what I've done when I was younger, 781 00:32:24,561 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: like I don't care who you are, but it's more 782 00:32:26,321 --> 00:32:30,681 Speaker 1: so like I don't want to embarrass myself or disappoint people, 783 00:32:30,721 --> 00:32:32,921 Speaker 1: and so many people like and I never talk myself. 784 00:32:32,921 --> 00:32:34,121 Speaker 1: I might want to knock her out, you know what 785 00:32:34,121 --> 00:32:36,121 Speaker 1: I mean. I'm pretty I would say I'm pretty humble, 786 00:32:36,281 --> 00:32:38,521 Speaker 1: Like you know, I don't think I'm cocky or anything, 787 00:32:38,601 --> 00:32:41,761 Speaker 1: but like I just think, like, oh man, I'm nervous 788 00:32:41,841 --> 00:32:45,041 Speaker 1: of the embarrassment after I'm not winning, like and just 789 00:32:45,201 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: having that really low like, oh man, you didn't win 790 00:32:47,801 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: it out, Like that's. 791 00:32:48,361 --> 00:32:50,281 Speaker 2: Not Usually your preparation is not like before. 792 00:32:50,481 --> 00:32:53,121 Speaker 1: Wait, usually way in and then after is like a refeed, 793 00:32:53,241 --> 00:32:55,081 Speaker 1: so you'll go out for dinner and have like, yeah, 794 00:32:55,241 --> 00:32:56,961 Speaker 1: you know, I feed and whatnot with the family and 795 00:32:57,041 --> 00:32:59,921 Speaker 1: that yeah obviously, yeah, just chill out or usually get 796 00:32:59,961 --> 00:33:02,121 Speaker 1: my hair braided. Always feel fake ten, you have to 797 00:33:02,161 --> 00:33:04,561 Speaker 1: have a fake ten. I always dye my hair. 798 00:33:06,121 --> 00:33:07,161 Speaker 2: Not going out. I know. 799 00:33:09,121 --> 00:33:17,281 Speaker 1: I know. I died it today too, No I missed 800 00:33:17,321 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: that and on my coach like is like, don't die 801 00:33:20,761 --> 00:33:22,321 Speaker 1: your hair before and like day before I've got like 802 00:33:22,361 --> 00:33:24,401 Speaker 1: a box start and I've got never got any time, 803 00:33:24,481 --> 00:33:26,841 Speaker 1: so I'm like eight dollar books I throwed in and 804 00:33:27,001 --> 00:33:28,841 Speaker 1: as the fight goes on, like all this black stuff 805 00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:31,521 Speaker 1: starts running down like I'm looking and I'm like, oh 806 00:33:31,561 --> 00:33:33,561 Speaker 1: my crop tops covered and like that's my hair tie. 807 00:33:33,841 --> 00:33:36,361 Speaker 1: And then it's like the fake ten like comes off 808 00:33:36,521 --> 00:33:39,201 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh no, but yeah, my crop 809 00:33:39,281 --> 00:33:43,281 Speaker 1: chops after it always like blue black. But yeah, preparation 810 00:33:43,401 --> 00:33:46,881 Speaker 1: for that's usually yeah, just chill out and then yeah, 811 00:33:46,961 --> 00:33:48,721 Speaker 1: get in and before you know what, it's like fight 812 00:33:48,841 --> 00:33:51,321 Speaker 1: time and you've got all this hype, all the people now, 813 00:33:51,521 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: and like we've got a really good crew. Now, it's 814 00:33:53,521 --> 00:33:55,641 Speaker 1: like a full team dance crew. You know, like like 815 00:33:55,801 --> 00:33:58,721 Speaker 1: you know, my family there every fight, like it's just here, 816 00:33:58,841 --> 00:34:00,881 Speaker 1: like like Mum and dad, like they're proud ass and 817 00:34:01,961 --> 00:34:03,881 Speaker 1: you know, we've made up and you know whatnot. And 818 00:34:03,961 --> 00:34:05,401 Speaker 1: I just want to keep trying to make it proud 819 00:34:05,481 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: so because you know, like I've hurt them and I 820 00:34:07,201 --> 00:34:09,401 Speaker 1: don't want to sacrifice and you know, do all this 821 00:34:09,481 --> 00:34:11,681 Speaker 1: hard work and then disappoint them. So I still want 822 00:34:11,681 --> 00:34:13,161 Speaker 1: to make them prouders to say sort of like a 823 00:34:13,201 --> 00:34:15,561 Speaker 1: sorry thing. But yeah, So the fight nights are crazy, 824 00:34:15,681 --> 00:34:17,521 Speaker 1: like we've just got like you know, now, we've got 825 00:34:17,561 --> 00:34:20,001 Speaker 1: like a thing like everyone wears you know, the puffy jackets, 826 00:34:20,041 --> 00:34:22,401 Speaker 1: the shirts, and we rock up in a hummer. You know, 827 00:34:22,641 --> 00:34:27,601 Speaker 1: everyone peels out like drinking. So it's yeah, you know, 828 00:34:27,641 --> 00:34:29,921 Speaker 1: I got the music pumping and yeah, it's really cool. 829 00:34:29,961 --> 00:34:32,921 Speaker 2: Now, so what's would you like to fight in Brisbane? 830 00:34:33,441 --> 00:34:35,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've done my own fight night. Well I 831 00:34:35,521 --> 00:34:38,041 Speaker 1: did my own fight night with my coach, my sponsor 832 00:34:38,201 --> 00:34:41,281 Speaker 1: and to be to pay Eye the footballer. So we yeah, 833 00:34:41,321 --> 00:34:43,361 Speaker 1: we'll probably do another one. Like it's great, So it's 834 00:34:43,401 --> 00:34:46,641 Speaker 1: good to like not everyone can travel and whatnot. So 835 00:34:46,681 --> 00:34:48,321 Speaker 1: it cost a lot of money to go away and watch, 836 00:34:48,361 --> 00:34:50,481 Speaker 1: you know, it's like accommodation and whatnot. And the tickets 837 00:34:50,481 --> 00:34:53,361 Speaker 1: alone are expensive, so I always get like my supporters 838 00:34:53,401 --> 00:34:56,041 Speaker 1: always get their tables and stuff, so they're right, you know, 839 00:34:56,201 --> 00:34:58,361 Speaker 1: right at the front. So be good to have something 840 00:34:58,401 --> 00:35:01,681 Speaker 1: at home where everyone can come. And I think, you know, 841 00:35:01,801 --> 00:35:04,281 Speaker 1: Brisbane needs that too, you know. Like our last fight 842 00:35:04,401 --> 00:35:06,601 Speaker 1: night was a hit, like sold out, it was. It 843 00:35:06,721 --> 00:35:09,681 Speaker 1: was such a good fight night and yeah, but it 844 00:35:09,761 --> 00:35:12,201 Speaker 1: was hard to it's hard to fight on your fight night. 845 00:35:12,201 --> 00:35:14,881 Speaker 1: It's something that you're promoting and that you're running. Like 846 00:35:15,001 --> 00:35:17,841 Speaker 1: before my last fight, I was still running around selling 847 00:35:17,881 --> 00:35:19,881 Speaker 1: people's shirts, making sure they were sitting down and like 848 00:35:20,201 --> 00:35:21,961 Speaker 1: I get my hands wrapped up coming out, like are 849 00:35:21,961 --> 00:35:23,641 Speaker 1: you all good? You need a drink, you need food. 850 00:35:23,881 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: My coaches like get out the back and everywhere else. Yeah, 851 00:35:27,001 --> 00:35:29,121 Speaker 1: and the first round, first two rounds, I was like, 852 00:35:29,721 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: oh shit, Like I was just like not there. Yeah, 853 00:35:32,121 --> 00:35:35,041 Speaker 1: and then yeah, I had like you know this your focus. Yeah. 854 00:35:35,161 --> 00:35:36,801 Speaker 1: My sponsors came and I sort of looked at them 855 00:35:36,841 --> 00:35:38,521 Speaker 1: and I could hear my mom just like come on, Dez, 856 00:35:38,561 --> 00:35:40,281 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I'm in trouble. I was 857 00:35:40,361 --> 00:35:42,241 Speaker 1: just like, right, get in there, and yeah, hooked in 858 00:35:42,361 --> 00:35:44,241 Speaker 1: and yeah I got the tkos. That was good. 859 00:35:44,441 --> 00:35:46,601 Speaker 2: But what's your worst experience in the game. 860 00:35:46,761 --> 00:35:50,161 Speaker 1: Worst experience would be knowing that you've done enough, which 861 00:35:50,241 --> 00:35:51,881 Speaker 1: was my Aussie title, which would be the rematch for 862 00:35:51,921 --> 00:35:55,241 Speaker 1: the world title. Knowing that I was, for once in 863 00:35:55,321 --> 00:35:57,921 Speaker 1: my life confident in I was at the end of 864 00:35:57,961 --> 00:36:00,401 Speaker 1: my fight, even though I've won, I always just thinking, no, 865 00:36:00,521 --> 00:36:02,441 Speaker 1: you haven't got it, and like after every round, I 866 00:36:02,481 --> 00:36:04,921 Speaker 1: think you haven't done enough, You're losing. But this one fight, 867 00:36:05,321 --> 00:36:08,041 Speaker 1: I was like cruising. I was having fun, like I'm 868 00:36:08,081 --> 00:36:09,881 Speaker 1: I can see the crowd, like I could hear everyone, 869 00:36:09,921 --> 00:36:12,721 Speaker 1: and I was like this is the best sort of Yeah. 870 00:36:12,801 --> 00:36:14,521 Speaker 1: It was just fun like and I was confident I 871 00:36:14,561 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: was going back to the corner and my coach was like, yeah, easy, 872 00:36:16,641 --> 00:36:19,041 Speaker 1: keep cruising. You don't have to kill her, like you know, 873 00:36:19,201 --> 00:36:21,481 Speaker 1: kill her if you want, but like, just keep enjoying it. 874 00:36:21,601 --> 00:36:23,441 Speaker 1: And I got to the end and I always do 875 00:36:23,521 --> 00:36:31,321 Speaker 1: a showy after. I very classy and I do showy 876 00:36:31,361 --> 00:36:33,081 Speaker 1: and I was like, shit, all I was worried about 877 00:36:33,121 --> 00:36:34,201 Speaker 1: was getting my shore off. And I was like, oh, 878 00:36:34,241 --> 00:36:35,721 Speaker 1: I need to get my shoey ready because I've won this, 879 00:36:36,201 --> 00:36:38,321 Speaker 1: and they gave it to her and I was like, 880 00:36:38,481 --> 00:36:41,241 Speaker 1: get out of here. I was like, that's bullshit. Like 881 00:36:41,721 --> 00:36:43,521 Speaker 1: that was probably my worst experience and the one where 882 00:36:43,521 --> 00:36:45,881 Speaker 1: I split my lip because I could have won, Like 883 00:36:45,921 --> 00:36:47,481 Speaker 1: it could have went either way, like when you know, 884 00:36:48,281 --> 00:36:49,761 Speaker 1: you know you have done enough and it goes the 885 00:36:49,801 --> 00:36:51,881 Speaker 1: other way and I'm like why, like why that happened? 886 00:36:51,881 --> 00:36:53,881 Speaker 1: And then you know later on it could be you know, 887 00:36:54,001 --> 00:36:55,481 Speaker 1: for a rematch, or it could be money, or it 888 00:36:55,521 --> 00:37:00,081 Speaker 1: could be something. But a funny experience was Thailand recently. 889 00:37:00,201 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: I we'd ford Itt like ten am in the morning 890 00:37:03,041 --> 00:37:04,161 Speaker 1: and my coach was like, you know, do you need 891 00:37:04,201 --> 00:37:05,121 Speaker 1: to go to the toilet and I was like no, 892 00:37:05,241 --> 00:37:07,801 Speaker 1: I'm good, went there, got all wrapped up and it 893 00:37:07,921 --> 00:37:10,281 Speaker 1: was so hot it was like, oh ridiculous. I was 894 00:37:10,321 --> 00:37:12,081 Speaker 1: just sweating. The hair dove was running, the fake tan 895 00:37:12,201 --> 00:37:14,881 Speaker 1: was peeling off. Like I'm like, I need to go 896 00:37:14,921 --> 00:37:17,041 Speaker 1: to the toilet. My hands were wrapped, and my coach 897 00:37:17,161 --> 00:37:19,481 Speaker 1: is like, well, you better go, and I'm like, all right, 898 00:37:19,601 --> 00:37:21,201 Speaker 1: went to the toilet and it's like a hole in 899 00:37:21,241 --> 00:37:23,241 Speaker 1: the ground with a bucket of water. So I was 900 00:37:23,321 --> 00:37:25,321 Speaker 1: like almost ready to jump in the ring. And I'm 901 00:37:25,361 --> 00:37:27,761 Speaker 1: like Chris and he's like, well, I'm like, there's no 902 00:37:27,841 --> 00:37:30,721 Speaker 1: toilet paper. I've got like hand wraps on. I'm like, 903 00:37:30,801 --> 00:37:33,001 Speaker 1: can I borrow your sock? And he's just like, for 904 00:37:33,201 --> 00:37:37,321 Speaker 1: Cod's sake, So Iman like in Thailand fighting like squatting 905 00:37:37,401 --> 00:37:40,361 Speaker 1: down on a hole ready to like ring like, but 906 00:37:40,441 --> 00:37:41,881 Speaker 1: I ended up using my hand wrap, took my hand 907 00:37:41,921 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: wrap off and used paper. Describe you in one word, 908 00:37:49,441 --> 00:37:57,001 Speaker 1: I think chaos. No, depends depends on the night, yeah, 909 00:37:57,161 --> 00:37:58,161 Speaker 1: or what's going on really? 910 00:37:58,281 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 911 00:37:58,881 --> 00:38:02,481 Speaker 1: I think just yeah, just chaos and a little bit wild. 912 00:38:03,001 --> 00:38:08,401 Speaker 2: Yeah. Is there anything you regret? Let's go life first. 913 00:38:08,841 --> 00:38:11,121 Speaker 1: I'm not really like I always get arks, you know, 914 00:38:11,241 --> 00:38:13,881 Speaker 1: like would you do anything over? Would you? Yeah? I 915 00:38:13,961 --> 00:38:18,081 Speaker 1: don't sort of regret. I think I would probably regret 916 00:38:18,201 --> 00:38:21,121 Speaker 1: being too nice. I guess, like I would be really 917 00:38:21,201 --> 00:38:24,721 Speaker 1: nice to people, really really nice and partners as such, 918 00:38:24,801 --> 00:38:26,441 Speaker 1: you know, like I take their shit, I put up 919 00:38:26,441 --> 00:38:27,521 Speaker 1: with it and put up with it, and then I 920 00:38:27,641 --> 00:38:29,641 Speaker 1: end up losing out and getting screwed over. H you 921 00:38:29,681 --> 00:38:32,241 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think that's probably a pride 922 00:38:32,281 --> 00:38:34,001 Speaker 1: thing as well. You know, when I left, I was like, 923 00:38:34,161 --> 00:38:36,321 Speaker 1: have the keys, mate, I'm out, you know, like that 924 00:38:36,441 --> 00:38:38,001 Speaker 1: sort of thing, like, you know, pride gets in the 925 00:38:38,041 --> 00:38:40,041 Speaker 1: way a little bit. But other than that, I don't 926 00:38:40,161 --> 00:38:43,561 Speaker 1: really regret anything because I think where I am now 927 00:38:43,681 --> 00:38:46,561 Speaker 1: on life, you know, and it's been really hard to 928 00:38:46,681 --> 00:38:49,161 Speaker 1: get where I am. It's sort of teach like. It's 929 00:38:49,201 --> 00:38:51,801 Speaker 1: taught me a lot, Like yeah, it's everything's a lesson. 930 00:38:51,841 --> 00:38:54,481 Speaker 1: And you know, my son's thirteen, so he's sort of 931 00:38:54,521 --> 00:38:57,001 Speaker 1: grown up as well, and he's sort of seeing, you know, 932 00:38:57,241 --> 00:38:58,881 Speaker 1: what you should and what you shouldn't do as well 933 00:38:58,881 --> 00:39:01,321 Speaker 1: when we're growing up together like my parents were with me. 934 00:39:01,481 --> 00:39:04,641 Speaker 1: But yeah, nothing, really, yeah, nothing I really regret. 935 00:39:04,721 --> 00:39:06,641 Speaker 2: What's what's the main goal for you? Now? 936 00:39:06,801 --> 00:39:07,441 Speaker 1: What is it? 937 00:39:07,681 --> 00:39:11,041 Speaker 2: What do you want the future of your career? 938 00:39:11,241 --> 00:39:13,041 Speaker 1: Yeah? Out of my career. So obviously I've got like 939 00:39:13,081 --> 00:39:15,041 Speaker 1: a little bit of a story, you know, coming from 940 00:39:15,721 --> 00:39:17,721 Speaker 1: nothing and you know, leaving home and having all the 941 00:39:17,761 --> 00:39:20,881 Speaker 1: hard yards and so many hurdles. You know, Like I 942 00:39:21,481 --> 00:39:24,001 Speaker 1: do help a lot of people, and like I do 943 00:39:24,121 --> 00:39:26,521 Speaker 1: talk to up and coming boxes and whatnot, So I 944 00:39:26,601 --> 00:39:28,361 Speaker 1: do want to help them and inspire them and know 945 00:39:28,521 --> 00:39:31,001 Speaker 1: that like you know, like lead them on their way too. 946 00:39:31,161 --> 00:39:33,841 Speaker 1: So eventually, when boxing slows down, I will you know, 947 00:39:33,961 --> 00:39:36,041 Speaker 1: open up a gym again and my own boxing club 948 00:39:36,121 --> 00:39:40,361 Speaker 1: and help boys and girls and every everyone really and 949 00:39:40,561 --> 00:39:42,121 Speaker 1: and sort of keep them on the straight and arrow 950 00:39:42,161 --> 00:39:44,561 Speaker 1: because being so young and even now, like I'm like 951 00:39:44,721 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: I got myself in some really bad situations at that age. 952 00:39:47,521 --> 00:39:49,761 Speaker 1: What are they doing now, Like there's so many more 953 00:39:49,841 --> 00:39:52,241 Speaker 1: that there's drugs, there's worse drugs as you know, people 954 00:39:52,281 --> 00:39:54,481 Speaker 1: with knives, and you know back then there wasn't that 955 00:39:54,681 --> 00:39:57,281 Speaker 1: much violence, you know. But I think, you know, I'm 956 00:39:57,321 --> 00:39:59,641 Speaker 1: quite scared of the kids up and coming now and 957 00:40:00,001 --> 00:40:02,041 Speaker 1: if they leave home now, they are out on the street, 958 00:40:02,121 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, the robbing houses. They're doing the wrong things. 959 00:40:05,041 --> 00:40:07,081 Speaker 1: So if I can help kids and inspire the up 960 00:40:07,161 --> 00:40:10,081 Speaker 1: and coming and even adults, you know, like do that start, 961 00:40:10,121 --> 00:40:12,041 Speaker 1: you know, do a lot more boxing shows, get my 962 00:40:12,121 --> 00:40:14,921 Speaker 1: own you know, little crew, you know boxing crew, happening 963 00:40:15,001 --> 00:40:17,201 Speaker 1: of like girls as well, you know, and help girls 964 00:40:17,241 --> 00:40:20,961 Speaker 1: that have been in domestic violent relationships, you know, you know, 965 00:40:21,001 --> 00:40:23,201 Speaker 1: because you know, I've experienced crap like that too, so 966 00:40:23,841 --> 00:40:25,881 Speaker 1: you know, and it's just to sort of yeah, lead 967 00:40:25,921 --> 00:40:28,121 Speaker 1: them sort of, yeah, help them, start to help others 968 00:40:28,161 --> 00:40:31,081 Speaker 1: because on my journey, so many people have helped me 969 00:40:31,681 --> 00:40:33,201 Speaker 1: to get to where I am. Like it's it's a 970 00:40:33,241 --> 00:40:34,721 Speaker 1: team effort from you know, and it still is. 971 00:40:34,841 --> 00:40:38,641 Speaker 3: Now, what's what's the what's the next let's say five 972 00:40:38,761 --> 00:40:40,241 Speaker 3: years yep in your career? 973 00:40:40,401 --> 00:40:42,321 Speaker 2: What you what you want to achieve in the next world? 974 00:40:42,481 --> 00:40:44,761 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent world title. Yeah, world title fight 975 00:40:44,801 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: in America and really get that good sort of yeah, 976 00:40:49,481 --> 00:40:52,121 Speaker 1: big following, and earn it the right way, if you 977 00:40:52,161 --> 00:40:53,721 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I've earned it a nice 978 00:40:53,801 --> 00:40:57,081 Speaker 1: respectable way. But yeah, so yeah, just get right up 979 00:40:57,081 --> 00:40:59,361 Speaker 1: to the top and then become you know, like you know, 980 00:40:59,601 --> 00:41:02,241 Speaker 1: a household name and something that you know, people go 981 00:41:02,281 --> 00:41:04,281 Speaker 1: oh that' stairs and yeah, you know, I don't want 982 00:41:04,321 --> 00:41:06,121 Speaker 1: to be you know, like big famous person walking down 983 00:41:06,121 --> 00:41:07,521 Speaker 1: the street, Like I'm not about that, but it's like, 984 00:41:07,841 --> 00:41:09,601 Speaker 1: you know, I want to be recognized. 985 00:41:09,081 --> 00:41:10,201 Speaker 2: For what you've done. 986 00:41:10,481 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, for honor, to chieve what you've achieved. Yeah, yeah, 987 00:41:13,561 --> 00:41:17,201 Speaker 1: I want all my achievements to help others, if you 988 00:41:17,241 --> 00:41:17,721 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 989 00:41:17,841 --> 00:41:21,681 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's you know, it's been really interesting. I 990 00:41:21,881 --> 00:41:23,721 Speaker 2: thank you very much for coming on my podcast. 991 00:41:24,001 --> 00:41:25,121 Speaker 1: That's all right, thanks for having me. 992 00:41:25,441 --> 00:41:28,241 Speaker 3: And I really hope that everything works out for you, 993 00:41:28,801 --> 00:41:32,761 Speaker 3: especially in the boxing industry, because from what I've seen 994 00:41:33,041 --> 00:41:35,401 Speaker 3: on what i've read too, what you've told me, you 995 00:41:35,641 --> 00:41:36,121 Speaker 3: deserve it. 996 00:41:36,721 --> 00:41:40,321 Speaker 2: Thanks, and I will definitely be at your fight. Yeah, 997 00:41:40,561 --> 00:41:43,201 Speaker 2: I definitely come to your fights and I will sit 998 00:41:43,321 --> 00:41:44,361 Speaker 2: there and get content and. 999 00:41:44,641 --> 00:41:48,121 Speaker 1: Yeah that'd be really cool. Yeah. I feel like it's yeah, 1000 00:41:48,121 --> 00:41:50,081 Speaker 1: it's all sort of coming together, and I think, yeah, 1001 00:41:50,081 --> 00:41:52,961 Speaker 1: people sort of need to know that sucky as it is, 1002 00:41:53,201 --> 00:41:55,801 Speaker 1: like everything happens for a reason. Yeah, you just have 1003 00:41:55,881 --> 00:41:58,041 Speaker 1: to keep pushing through. But we'll be back with the 1004 00:41:58,081 --> 00:42:00,281 Speaker 1: World Tide or not long you definitely, and. 1005 00:42:00,281 --> 00:42:01,681 Speaker 2: Then you can come back on the podcast and show 1006 00:42:01,681 --> 00:42:01,921 Speaker 2: it off. 1007 00:42:02,081 --> 00:42:12,361 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be dripping with just an't gonna need mm hm.