WEBVTT - Credlin | 27 October 0:00:08.260 --> 0:00:11.000 Good evening. Welcome to the show. Caught out misleading the 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.010 Parliament today. The Prime Minister did his best to spin 0:00:14.050 --> 0:00:17.180 it all away, but he couldn't. I'll get you across 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.790 what's been a bad day for Labor in Canberra and more. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.610 Here's what's coming up tonight on the show. More angry 0:00:22.790 --> 0:00:27.290 regional communities. Yet another massive renewables project is approved, this 0:00:27.450 --> 0:00:32.390 one in Victoria, just before Labor's likely election loss in 0:00:32.409 --> 0:00:35.410 a couple of weeks' time. Worse still, locals were not 0:00:35.470 --> 0:00:38.370 even consulted. We'll check in with the people of Warwick, 0:00:38.430 --> 0:00:43.900 Nabil tonight. Wind turbines on the way. More alarming vision, too, 0:00:43.979 --> 0:00:46.480 out of Australian childcare centres. So why does the Prime 0:00:46.500 --> 0:00:50.260 Minister still force parents to use what he tells them 0:00:50.340 --> 0:00:53.780 to rather than give them choice in order to keep 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.300 their children safe? The plan to strip the words war 0:00:57.330 --> 0:01:01.130 memorial from the name of an historic Sydney pool. Well, 0:01:01.170 --> 0:01:03.730 it's fired up the RSL president there and the premier, 0:01:03.790 --> 0:01:07.930 Chris Minns, and yet another sign of official disrespect for 0:01:08.030 --> 0:01:11.120 our veterans. Plus, as I say, the jigs up of 0:01:11.140 --> 0:01:15.259 the Prime Minister. But despite the weight of evidence exposing 0:01:15.420 --> 0:01:20.300 him and his Marrickville golf club lies, they can't tell 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.360 the truth today. Just more spin. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.180 I have said that was not correct. 0:01:26.980 --> 0:01:27.819 It was not correct. 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.030 The state government have moved in and are funding the project. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.180 We will stay with this problem because it's a problem 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.120 that's not going away, despite how much the Prime Minister 0:01:39.180 --> 0:01:43.520 might wish it would. The $ 6 million of your money 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.870 that he's handed out to his mates at the Marrickville 0:01:45.950 --> 0:01:49.570 Golf Club. Because this is an issue that's long moved 0:01:49.630 --> 0:01:52.490 away from being a case of a simple pork barrel 0:01:52.930 --> 0:01:56.610 from one Labor mate to another, and it's now elevated 0:01:56.690 --> 0:02:00.060 to the charge of a Prime Minister misleading Parliament not once, 0:02:00.540 --> 0:02:05.540 but twice. Even in this warped world where politicians don't 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.610 like to take responsibility anymore, misleading the Parliament still has 0:02:09.770 --> 0:02:15.870 serious consequences. Today, just after prayers, the opposition frontbencher Dan 0:02:15.930 --> 0:02:19.310 Tehan kicked off the morning with this, a motion for 0:02:19.330 --> 0:02:21.470 the Prime Minister to come clean on what he told 0:02:21.510 --> 0:02:25.559 the House about the Marrickville Golf Club, which, as I've 0:02:25.620 --> 0:02:30.420 proven here again and again, is at odds with the facts. 0:02:31.930 --> 0:02:36.050 I move that so much of the standing and sessional 0:02:36.150 --> 0:02:41.040 orders be suspended as would prevent the following occurring immediately. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.919 The Prime Minister immediately attending the Chamber to make a 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.419 statement of not more than 10 minutes to correct the 0:02:49.500 --> 0:02:54.919 record as to the purpose of the 6.05 million grant 0:02:55.340 --> 0:03:00.169 concerning the Marrickville Golf Club precinct. To act in good 0:03:00.270 --> 0:03:04.040 faith We are seeking the Prime Minister attend the Chamber 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.820 and provide a statement of explanation on the matter. 0:03:10.060 --> 0:03:13.300 Now, remember, it was only last month when pushed about 0:03:13.380 --> 0:03:16.520 why he gave his golf club mates $ 6 million for 0:03:16.540 --> 0:03:20.180 a new clubhouse. A desperate Albanese tried to take the 0:03:20.260 --> 0:03:24.580 higher moral ground and make it all about environmental protections 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:25.540 and sewerage. 0:03:26.419 --> 0:03:29.880 It's existed for a long period of time, almost 100 years, 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.370 and they have a septic tank which, because when it 0:03:34.470 --> 0:03:38.610 is on the floodplain, when it floods in Marrickville, raw 0:03:38.670 --> 0:03:43.570 sewerage flows into the Cooks River. That is what the 0:03:43.650 --> 0:03:44.430 funding is for. 0:03:44.450 --> 0:03:49.630 Well, there he was, and again the following day. 0:03:50.860 --> 0:03:54.470 And one for the upgrade of the Inner West Council-owned 0:03:54.620 --> 0:03:58.870 Marrickville Golf Club. Included in that was funding to fix 0:03:58.950 --> 0:04:04.050 the sewerage because it goes into the river and causes 0:04:04.110 --> 0:04:06.150 a problem when it floods. 0:04:08.450 --> 0:04:12.970 Okay, that's September this year. The problem is, though, exactly 0:04:12.970 --> 0:04:16.960 12 months earlier, the New South Wales State Government announced 0:04:17.420 --> 0:04:23.159 announced $ 270, 000 to do the sewerage works itself. But there's 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.720 more here. If we go back to Albanese's media release 0:04:26.779 --> 0:04:30.450 in last year's election campaign where he first promised the 0:04:30.550 --> 0:04:33.850 money to the Marrickville Golf Club, there was no mention 0:04:34.170 --> 0:04:39.529 anywhere about sewerage works in the announcement. Not one word. 0:04:39.970 --> 0:04:45.460 No mention whatsoever of sewerage, septic tanks or sewerage repairs. 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.469 Nor did the follow-up media updates from the council, headed 0:04:50.570 --> 0:04:53.750 up by the PM's mate, the Mayor Darcy Byrne, mention 0:04:53.990 --> 0:04:58.299 any sewage works either. Here's their media release from July 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:02.300 last year. So that's two months before anyone knew that 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.970 New South Wales was going to fix the sewage problems. 0:05:06.660 --> 0:05:11.299 And yet it's not mentioned here either. Again, not a word. Instead, 0:05:11.380 --> 0:05:14.060 says the Mayor Darcy Byrne, it's all about a $ 6 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:18.290 million upgrade of clubhouse facilities so it can hold more functions, 0:05:18.710 --> 0:05:22.250 just like Labor Party events, which it's done in the past. 0:05:22.790 --> 0:05:25.589 And wait for it. It also includes the building of 0:05:25.630 --> 0:05:29.480 a new dog walking station. Well, there you go, Toto. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.960 Taxpayers are looking out for you as well as your boss. Again, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.900 in Senate estimates, it was left to the public servants 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.719 under questioning to tell us the truth. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.260 Has the department provided any briefings or advice to Minister 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.480 King on what the grant is funding. 0:05:47.339 --> 0:05:50.039 And more importantly in this case, what it's not funding? 0:05:52.060 --> 0:05:54.170 So as part of the approval brief that was provided 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.670 to Minister King, we outlined the scope of the project. 0:05:58.490 --> 0:06:02.849 And the scope of the project... Did it include sewerage 0:06:02.930 --> 0:06:06.599 works or not sewerage works, which is why I wanted 0:06:06.650 --> 0:06:09.300 to confirm your evidence from last week? 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:11.680 It does not include sewerage works. 0:06:11.779 --> 0:06:12.299 Righto. 0:06:14.100 --> 0:06:17.799 OK, you heard that. No sewerage again, says a senior 0:06:17.820 --> 0:06:21.039 public servant from the Department of Infrastructure. The same as 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.550 we were told last Thursday during the special inquiry by 0:06:25.589 --> 0:06:28.089 the Senate into the Marrickville millions. 0:06:29.110 --> 0:06:32.039 The grantee must deliver the design and upgrade of the 0:06:32.070 --> 0:06:38.120 Marrickville Golf Club, including the following deliverables. The club precinct refurbishment, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:44.380 which includes a range of elements. Installation of a stormwater 0:06:44.420 --> 0:06:48.870 harvesting system, including storage tanks and pump. Creation of a 0:06:48.900 --> 0:06:53.310 botanical garden and biodiversity area. And an upgrade of the 0:06:53.370 --> 0:06:57.080 existing electrical capacity to 250. 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:57.310 Amps. 0:06:57.730 --> 0:07:00.910 The sewerage works are not in the scope of this grant. 0:07:00.950 --> 0:07:02.510 This grant focuses on the stormwater. 0:07:04.490 --> 0:07:08.270 So that's two statements from an official that are consistent 0:07:08.650 --> 0:07:12.890 last week and yesterday. So explain to me then why 0:07:13.090 --> 0:07:17.450 the Minister of that same department, Catherine King, told my 0:07:17.530 --> 0:07:20.890 colleague Andrew Clennell this on Sunday. 0:07:21.860 --> 0:07:24.320 Did the money end up going to sewerage works, as 0:07:24.380 --> 0:07:25.960 the PM has said in the Parliament? 0:07:26.310 --> 0:07:29.880 Yes, that is the works. There's two levels of work. 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.320 So both of it is to look at the water 0:07:32.420 --> 0:07:36.220 outflow from the golf club itself and to deal with 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.740 the sewerage issue. And there's also some facilities. 0:07:40.700 --> 0:07:44.230 Well, hang on. No, says her department on Thursday. No, 0:07:45.190 --> 0:07:51.090 says her department yesterday. But yes, she says on Sunday. Now, 0:07:51.130 --> 0:07:54.980 that's the minister responsible for spending half a billion dollars 0:07:55.650 --> 0:08:00.760 on an invite-only grants scheme contradicting evidence from public servants 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.420 about what the money will be spent on, despite this 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:09.380 revelation today that public servants made it public Thursday, public today, 0:08:09.540 --> 0:08:13.950 public yesterday, that Sewerage Works had nothing to do with 0:08:13.990 --> 0:08:19.360 this federal grant. And not just in the hearings. Under questioning, 0:08:19.820 --> 0:08:24.820 the infrastructure official told the Senate that her Minister Catherine King, 0:08:25.140 --> 0:08:28.780 she knew this herself because the fact that it was 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:33.520 no sewerage was included in briefs to her office, which 0:08:33.780 --> 0:08:35.640 she has signed. 0:08:35.660 --> 0:08:39.950 Has Minister King's office ever requested advice from the department 0:08:40.010 --> 0:08:42.670 as to whether the $ 6 million grant is or is 0:08:42.770 --> 0:08:44.630 not funding the sewerage problem? 0:08:46.690 --> 0:08:49.120 So the Department provided the Minister with the approval brief 0:08:49.130 --> 0:08:51.079 for the project, which outlined the scope. 0:08:51.740 --> 0:08:56.200 And the scope that the Department sees is being funded 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.240 doesn't include sewerage work. 0:08:59.080 --> 0:08:59.820 Does or it doesn't? 0:09:01.100 --> 0:09:05.710 It does not include sewerage work. Doesn't she read what 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.949 she signs? I mean, it hardly fills you with any confidence, 0:09:08.990 --> 0:09:12.429 does it? A Minister spending hundreds of millions of dollars 0:09:12.450 --> 0:09:17.310 who's not across her brief. A department official admitting yesterday, 0:09:17.390 --> 0:09:20.290 in fact, that it was Labor's head office that called 0:09:20.309 --> 0:09:23.270 the shots on these grants, at least who was going 0:09:23.470 --> 0:09:27.380 to get the money, rather than a properly run arms-length 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.179 process led by the department. And then we've got a 0:09:31.220 --> 0:09:34.020 Prime Minister who hands out $ 6 million to his mates 0:09:34.059 --> 0:09:37.660 across the back fence from his Marrickville home to tart 0:09:37.770 --> 0:09:42.810 up the golf house, the clubhouse, where Labor routinely holds functions. 0:09:43.270 --> 0:09:46.469 Throw in that dog walking station two for Toto. And 0:09:47.190 --> 0:09:49.720 then we start asking questions here on this program, as 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.679 I did weeks ago. He then misleads the parliament, trying 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.209 to pretend that none of this is about anything other 0:09:57.670 --> 0:09:59.870 than essential sewerage works. 0:10:00.910 --> 0:10:04.370 It's existed for a long period of time, almost 100 years. 0:10:05.070 --> 0:10:08.850 And they have a septic tank, which because when it 0:10:08.950 --> 0:10:13.080 is on the floodplain, when it floods in Marrickville, raw 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.220 sewerage flows into the Cooks River. 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.220 That is what the funding is for. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:23.040 And one for the upgrade of the Inner West Council-owned 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.420 Marrickville Golf Club. Included in that was funding to fix 0:10:27.500 --> 0:10:32.610 the sewerage because it goes into the river and causes 0:10:32.670 --> 0:10:34.689 a problem when it floods. 0:10:36.910 --> 0:10:40.650 It was never about sewerage works. Never even mentioned, not 0:10:40.990 --> 0:10:44.650 one word in his press release last April, not one 0:10:44.830 --> 0:10:49.600 word by the council in his documents in July. And 0:10:49.620 --> 0:10:52.339 now public officials are on the record as saying the 0:10:52.380 --> 0:10:55.349 sewage works have never been a part of any plans 0:10:55.809 --> 0:10:58.150 for the Marrickville Golf Club. So let's be clear here. 0:10:58.870 --> 0:11:02.330 This isn't a random project. This is the sixth grant 0:11:02.850 --> 0:11:06.050 that Labor's made to the Marrickville Golf Club. It's in 0:11:06.130 --> 0:11:11.120 Albanese's own electorate. It's 200 metres from the back fence 0:11:11.220 --> 0:11:15.120 of his $ 3 million home. Let's cut the crap, pardon 0:11:15.140 --> 0:11:18.500 the pun, but this is not an honest mistake. Anthony 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.160 Albanese has misled the Parliament. And this today is about 0:11:22.220 --> 0:11:24.750 as good as you'll get from a bloke who pathologically 0:11:24.809 --> 0:11:29.330 lies and hates to ever admit when he's been caught out. 0:11:30.110 --> 0:11:34.580 Will the Prime Minister just stop the spin and admit 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:36.120 he was wrong? 0:11:36.140 --> 0:11:40.050 It's not correct to say. that the federal grant would 0:11:40.130 --> 0:11:47.050 deal with the Sewer Row... Well, to quote the state 0:11:47.090 --> 0:11:50.850 government media release of 17 September 2025, I assume it's 0:11:50.870 --> 0:11:54.610 from the state government, putting an end to Sewer Row's 0:11:54.670 --> 0:11:57.790 Maryford golf course to get a whole lot better. After 0:11:57.830 --> 0:12:00.980 we made the commitment to the club, which included fixing 0:12:01.030 --> 0:12:04.930 this issue, which has been an issue since 1947, the 0:12:04.980 --> 0:12:08.099 state government have stepped in. That is a good thing. 0:12:08.500 --> 0:12:12.800 I was not aware of the state government grant. Why 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:13.460 would I be? 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:18.079 Now, I'll say this. If we had not dug into 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.940 the detail here and put this man under some pressure, 0:12:21.580 --> 0:12:24.120 we wouldn't have had the Senate inquiry and this would 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.080 not have been pursued in the parliament as it has. 0:12:27.500 --> 0:12:32.690 And if there's millions in dodgy grants in this program, well... 0:12:33.330 --> 0:12:35.830 What the PM says doesn't stack up with the facts. 0:12:35.890 --> 0:12:41.760 Believe me, if there's millions here, there's millions, billions more elsewhere. Now, 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.880 all of this should be referred to the National Anti-Corruption Commission. 0:12:45.260 --> 0:12:48.940 That's what it's there for. Law Professor Antumi has already 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.290 labelled this as grey corruption, and it is. But more 0:12:53.350 --> 0:12:56.510 than that, it's a pattern of behaviour from a man 0:12:56.530 --> 0:12:58.670 who thinks he's above it all. Now that he's in 0:12:58.710 --> 0:13:02.530 the Lodge, he doesn't have to tell the truth, admit mistakes, 0:13:03.130 --> 0:13:07.650 or even apologise. And this is precisely why voters are 0:13:07.770 --> 0:13:12.890 walking away from Labor, because it's Albanese that's tanking the 0:13:12.929 --> 0:13:16.600 party's vote. Never forget that Labor won last year's federal 0:13:16.660 --> 0:13:20.660 election with its lowest primary vote ever since the Second 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:25.839 World War, with seven out of every ten Australian voters 0:13:26.220 --> 0:13:36.920 preferring someone else. Fire the liar, indeed. Right, let's get 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:40.339 into the headlines now with Ruben Spargo. Good evening. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:44.020 Senator Fatima Payman is accusing the Prime Minister of waiting 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.059 for an attack like the one on Helen Haynes before 0:13:47.179 --> 0:13:51.380 finally granting her additional staff. The former Labor senator has 0:13:51.420 --> 0:13:56.219 spent nearly two years seeking two additional advisor-level staffers from 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:57.400 Anthony Albanese. 0:13:57.660 --> 0:14:00.439 Is the Prime Minister waiting for something like what happened 0:14:00.460 --> 0:14:04.130 to Dr Helen Haynes to occur to my office, to me, 0:14:04.570 --> 0:14:06.809 for him to take our request seriously? 0:14:06.910 --> 0:14:09.990 That's an outrageous suggestion, Senator Payman. 0:14:10.429 --> 0:14:13.150 Yeah, I can't believe that I'm saying that or making 0:14:13.190 --> 0:14:15.130 that suggestion because it's been two years. 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.140 Maybe Senator Payman should just. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.840 Fatima Payman has faced repeated abuse and threats. The remarks 0:14:21.900 --> 0:14:24.760 were made on the same day MPs gathered to pay 0:14:24.870 --> 0:14:28.950 tribute to Helen Haynes. Australia's cyber spy agency is warning 0:14:29.010 --> 0:14:33.730 Australians to expect more significant service disruptions and network outages. 0:14:34.090 --> 0:14:38.370 The Australian Signals Directorate says Frontier AI is enabling malicious 0:14:38.530 --> 0:14:41.230 actors to strike faster and at greater scale. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.850 Australia must accelerate the modernisation of its technology and cyber 0:14:45.870 --> 0:14:48.930 security foundations to protect the systems. 0:14:48.530 --> 0:14:49.180 We rely on. 0:14:49.490 --> 0:14:52.830 The Australian Cyber Security Centre responded to more than 1,500 0:14:52.830 --> 0:14:57.250 cyber security incidents during the 2025 financial year. That number 0:14:57.390 --> 0:15:00.440 is rising by more than 20% year on year and 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.480 more than 36% in the last five years. 0:15:03.500 --> 0:15:07.420 All right, let's get into a busy city week with 0:15:07.500 --> 0:15:11.860 our News 24 Chief Political Editor, Andrew Clennell. I'll get 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.640 into this misleading the Parliament in a moment, Andrew, but 0:15:14.700 --> 0:15:21.830 just on Fatima Payman, traditionally crossbench staff have been handed 0:15:21.970 --> 0:15:25.770 out in an equitable way. This Prime Minister's made a 0:15:25.790 --> 0:15:29.530 real art form of giving someone five, some four, some three, 0:15:29.910 --> 0:15:33.330 depending on how they vote with Labor over their time 0:15:33.750 --> 0:15:37.030 in the Parliament. Do you think, and our language might 0:15:37.050 --> 0:15:39.320 have been a bit off, but do you think Fatima 0:15:39.340 --> 0:15:40.980 Payman here has a fair point? 0:15:42.270 --> 0:15:44.070 The language was off, she has a fair point, but 0:15:44.150 --> 0:15:47.090 I need to discuss this James Ashby thing with you, Peter. Now, 0:15:47.130 --> 0:15:50.489 this bloke Ashby came on your show last night and 0:15:50.510 --> 0:15:52.990 he defamed me and multiple people have asked why he 0:15:53.010 --> 0:15:55.710 didn't back me up. Now, I appreciate your apology last 0:15:55.770 --> 0:15:58.350 night after the show. Things happen quick on live TV. 0:15:59.990 --> 0:16:02.270 I think it's important to know that 20 years ago, 0:16:03.230 --> 0:16:06.190 James Ashby was convicted and fined for making threatening and 0:16:06.230 --> 0:16:09.530 abusing phone calls. He is in charge of this party 0:16:09.610 --> 0:16:12.930 and his actions deserve scrutiny. I'd like to thank the 0:16:12.990 --> 0:16:15.010 many viewers who have reached out to me in the 0:16:15.050 --> 0:16:18.970 last 26 hours offering support for my journalism. And I'll 0:16:18.990 --> 0:16:22.070 repeat again that Pauline Hanson is welcome on my show 0:16:22.090 --> 0:16:25.750 any time. And I believe sometime in the future she 0:16:25.770 --> 0:16:28.670 will come on my show. I've stood up to Prime 0:16:28.690 --> 0:16:31.690 Ministers in this place and there's no way I'm being 0:16:31.750 --> 0:16:34.130 stood over by James Ashby. That's all I wanted to say. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.800 And I've been coming on the show nine years. It's 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.100 a great thing that we do here, Peter. So, you know, 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:43.850 it's just one of those things. The guy calls me 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.190 a dickhead on air. Let's move on. But, you know, 0:16:47.390 --> 0:16:50.670 I need to comment. If I come on and don't 0:16:50.730 --> 0:16:52.470 talk about this, people are going to go, why isn't 0:16:52.490 --> 0:16:53.470 he talking about this, you know? 0:16:54.650 --> 0:16:57.500 Well, first of all, Andrew, one, have a look down there. 0:16:58.150 --> 0:17:01.360 The show's called Credlin, right? I will decide what we 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.760 discuss on the show and the order in which we 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.040 discuss it. I said to you last night and I 0:17:06.100 --> 0:17:08.000 said to you today we would put it in the rundown. 0:17:08.420 --> 0:17:10.439 We've got a whole lot of issues that I want 0:17:10.460 --> 0:17:13.649 to talk to first about what's impacting real people in 0:17:13.690 --> 0:17:17.910 the Parliament today. I know you're upset. Everyone gets upset 0:17:17.930 --> 0:17:19.950 from time to time in this game and you're right 0:17:20.090 --> 0:17:23.070 to be upset, but we'll discuss it in an orderly way. Now, 0:17:23.130 --> 0:17:25.330 now you have brought it up. As I said to 0:17:25.369 --> 0:17:27.230 you last night, it was at the back end of 0:17:27.290 --> 0:17:29.590 the show that If I didn't like you, if I 0:17:29.590 --> 0:17:31.680 didn't respect you, mate, you wouldn't be on this show 0:17:31.700 --> 0:17:35.290 for nine years, and I do respect you. I've got 0:17:35.369 --> 0:17:37.770 people in my ear, as you know, in this game, 0:17:38.090 --> 0:17:43.590 absolutely constantly. I heard the discussion about him telling you 0:17:43.609 --> 0:17:47.470 that Pauline Hanson thought you were a dick. I didn't 0:17:47.530 --> 0:17:49.550 hear him say that, Andrew, and if I did, I 0:17:50.050 --> 0:17:52.810 would have jumped in, right? I call a spade a spade. 0:17:52.830 --> 0:17:53.250 Yeah, fine. 0:17:53.590 --> 0:17:56.100 I'm straight up and down, but you're not going to 0:17:56.150 --> 0:17:58.820 hijack my show because at the top when I said 0:17:58.859 --> 0:18:00.840 I would get to this. So let's get to some 0:18:00.859 --> 0:18:04.459 of the issues that I know ordinary Australians want us 0:18:04.500 --> 0:18:08.800 to focus on, like the liar in the Lodge. I 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.510 want your take on what happened today in the Chamber 0:18:11.550 --> 0:18:15.390 that's about as strong as an admission you will get 0:18:15.450 --> 0:18:19.130 from Anthony Albanese, where he has misled the House, there's 0:18:19.190 --> 0:18:22.820 no doubt about that. He said last month, last September, 0:18:23.220 --> 0:18:27.040 that this was all about Sewerage Works, when 12 months ago, 0:18:27.850 --> 0:18:30.649 We know that the state government had funded those works 0:18:31.050 --> 0:18:34.730 and nowhere in his press release last April or any 0:18:34.750 --> 0:18:38.390 of the council documentation does it mention sewerage. In none 0:18:38.410 --> 0:18:41.870 of the reports before the government, before the minister, does 0:18:41.910 --> 0:18:44.760 it mention sewerage. And good on you for putting King 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.720 under some pressure on Sunday because on Sunday I think 0:18:47.740 --> 0:18:50.060 she's caught between a rock and a hard place. She 0:18:50.100 --> 0:18:52.320 has a brief in her office to say it's nothing 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.179 to do with sewerage, but she backs the Prime Minister 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.970 in with you on Sunday saying Because if she didn't, 0:18:59.630 --> 0:19:03.260 she would be admitting that he had misled the House. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.480 So where does this go from here? 0:19:07.820 --> 0:19:11.200 Well, I just couldn't believe that that occurred Sunday and 0:19:11.220 --> 0:19:15.180 the officials the next day said, we've provided a brief 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.580 to the Minister's office saying it wasn't Sirich, like a 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.139 day later. And Bridget McKenzie, of all people, being the 0:19:21.180 --> 0:19:24.050 prosecutor on that one, having gone down over sports rorts herself, 0:19:24.350 --> 0:19:25.470 who would be better qualified? 0:19:25.510 --> 0:19:25.970 But I think. 0:19:27.090 --> 0:19:30.290 Ultimately for the PM, he's got an issue with admitting 0:19:30.390 --> 0:19:36.440 wrong and apologising. And we've seen it multiple times. And 0:19:37.340 --> 0:19:43.139 I think, again today, I called it a Fonz-type concession. 0:19:43.869 --> 0:19:45.390 I was wrong, you know. 0:19:47.530 --> 0:19:49.330 People look... So what does he do, mate? 0:19:49.369 --> 0:19:50.199 Because you were... know. 0:19:50.220 --> 0:19:51.600 At leadership, we apologise with strength. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:57.280 I know from state polling... Sorry, we're not talking over 0:19:57.340 --> 0:19:59.520 each other, viewers. We've got a time delay coming out 0:19:59.540 --> 0:20:02.360 of Canberra all the time into Melbourne. I know from 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.629 state polling in Victoria that Anthony Albanese is coming up 0:20:05.690 --> 0:20:09.640 in focus groups about the Labor brand... And the one, 0:20:09.660 --> 0:20:12.220 I mean, yes, there's cost of living, but the one 0:20:12.340 --> 0:20:15.060 other big issue they're raising is that he's a liar, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.540 that they can't trust him, that he won't ever say 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.200 sorry when he gets it wrong. Now, this is brand 0:20:20.220 --> 0:20:23.639 damage that once it cements itself in the electorate, a 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.010 bit like Scott Morrison, it's really hard to come back from. 0:20:29.150 --> 0:20:30.370 Yeah, it is. 0:20:31.350 --> 0:20:34.010 His one advantage is that conservative votes split. 0:20:34.690 --> 0:20:35.290 So.... 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.270 Otherwise, you know, with that primary vote, if it was 0:20:38.310 --> 0:20:39.830 just the Libs and Nats, he'd been a fair bit 0:20:39.869 --> 0:20:42.710 of strife. I've said this to you a few times 0:20:42.770 --> 0:20:44.859 and the talk down here, I still don't discount that 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:45.730 he goes next year. 0:20:46.619 --> 0:20:47.470 You know, I think it's 50-50. 0:20:47.500 --> 0:20:49.620 I'm with you. 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.680 And all the talk down here because of the numbers 0:20:52.740 --> 0:20:54.959 is Mark Butler. Now, I don't know how much of an... 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:58.180 Mark Butler's competent enough, but, you know, is he really 0:20:58.220 --> 0:21:00.750 going to be the big answer for Labor if they 0:21:00.790 --> 0:21:03.150 do go down that path? And then they talk about 0:21:03.210 --> 0:21:06.449 Charlton Treasury, you see. So a whole sort of rebrand. 0:21:07.660 --> 0:21:11.930 But I just think, you know, they spend some time 0:21:11.970 --> 0:21:15.790 in this job, they get barnacles and he's got a 0:21:15.810 --> 0:21:17.370 fair few and Jim's got heaps now. 0:21:18.109 --> 0:21:20.869 And I think, you know, there's an argument for it. 0:21:21.140 --> 0:21:23.320 I've seen many times you get an extra term because 0:21:23.340 --> 0:21:26.000 you change horse and some of the voters go, well, 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:28.260 let's give them one more chance. But in this high 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:33.050 inflation environment with no seeming answers to it, They're in 0:21:33.109 --> 0:21:33.649 all sorts. 0:21:34.290 --> 0:21:35.810 They are in absolute all sorts. 0:21:37.830 --> 0:21:40.389 But I think, you know, I cannot believe that he 0:21:40.430 --> 0:21:42.430 doesn't just wear a bit more of it. I mean, 0:21:42.470 --> 0:21:45.000 that's just got to be pride and stubbornness, right? Like, 0:21:45.619 --> 0:21:47.520 if he was running again and he wanted to win, 0:21:47.619 --> 0:21:48.260 surely he would. 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.820 Yeah, the lack of humility, I think, is something that 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:55.679 should come with a leader. When you get to the 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.990 top job, you've climbed the mountain, particularly if you've got 0:21:59.010 --> 0:22:01.929 a working class route like he says he does. And 0:22:02.170 --> 0:22:05.180 that's where he's lost people, that lack of authenticity. I mean, 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.590 Repicoli is saying that in his seat of Hunter. One 0:22:08.630 --> 0:22:12.590 Nation's ahead there on 33 primary. It's hurting them across 0:22:12.630 --> 0:22:15.580 the board, as we know, in Western New South Wales, 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:19.040 obviously in Queensland. In Victoria, they're on the nose for 0:22:19.060 --> 0:22:22.320 a whole lot of other reasons. I mean, this is 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:23.740 going to be the challenge. And you're right to point 0:22:23.790 --> 0:22:26.750 out Jim Chalmers. I think he's damaged goods. If we 0:22:26.790 --> 0:22:29.609 get this rate rise out of the inflation data that 0:22:29.650 --> 0:22:33.210 we expect will be pretty horrific tomorrow, well, again, you know, 0:22:33.609 --> 0:22:35.860 what is it that Labor has done to make your 0:22:35.890 --> 0:22:38.300 life easier? You'd ask yourself that as a voter. 0:22:39.859 --> 0:22:42.240 Yeah, and, you know, they can go with tax cuts 0:22:42.260 --> 0:22:44.520 to the next election, which is their plan, but they're 0:22:44.540 --> 0:22:45.879 so expensive, as you know. 0:22:46.340 --> 0:22:47.200 What can you really offer? 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:48.950 I mean, last time it was just a cup of coffee, 0:22:48.970 --> 0:22:52.139 and that's well and truly been swallowed up. So and 0:22:52.180 --> 0:22:57.400 they've just introduced new taxes. So I just I mean, 0:22:58.150 --> 0:23:01.230 Albanese goes on all these trips, overseas trips at the 0:23:01.250 --> 0:23:01.889 end of this year. 0:23:02.010 --> 0:23:02.750 Rates go up. 0:23:04.210 --> 0:23:07.230 You can't see things getting better. The question really is 0:23:07.290 --> 0:23:10.380 whether the Liberal Party improves its stocks. Now, I had 0:23:10.420 --> 0:23:12.760 Hastie on today. He said there's no there's definitely no 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:14.000 challenge the last sitting week. 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:14.220 Right. 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.300 And I expect the Victorian Liberals to win. So that 0:23:18.340 --> 0:23:20.080 gives a bit of a boost to the Liberal brand. 0:23:20.100 --> 0:23:23.900 And I mean winning their own right, incidentally. But then 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.869