WEBVTT - Sharri | 20 Feburary 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.240 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry. 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:09.080 Thanks so much Andrew, and we know you would have 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.240 loved to have been then we missed having you there. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:12.680 All right, good evening everyone. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.360 Tonight, Peter Dutton commits to major reform of the Migration 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:20.520 Act to refuse visas to andy Semites if he wins 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.280 the election. This as a leading Federal court judge says 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:29.240 the education system in Australia needs an overhaul after universities 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:34.800 have become in many cases not only politically charged, but intolerant. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.240 More on the major outcomes from our Sky News Anti 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:43.519 Semitism summit. Shortly Hamas has tonight paraded the coffins on 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.519 stage of Baby Kafir, Riel and Shiri in one of 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:53.199 the most despicable sites yet their barbarity has no bounds, 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.200 and Albanezi promises billions of taxpayer dollars to keep his 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.960 failed Green dream alive if I'll get reaction from Basil 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.720 Zemplus and Joe Hildebrand in a moment. But first tonight 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:13.280 refusing visas for anti Semites, banning encampments on universities, revoking 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:18.360 taxpayer funding for the religious institutions that platform hate preachers, 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.320 and reintroducing Holocaust education into the national school curriculum. 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:23.959 Well. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.960 These were some of the outcomes of today's Sky News 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:32.480 Antisemitism Summit that brought together the nation's sharpest political, legal 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.760 minds and policy experts in the field. Jewish leaders and 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.959 national security specialists called for a state of emergency to 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.520 now be declared amid the terrifying rise. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:46.759 In anti Semitism. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.280 An esteemed Federal Court Judge Justice Michael Lee gave a 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.960 powerful speech making the case for major reform of the 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.920 education system. Today's summit came as the ASIO Director gener 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:04.160 Mike Burgess last night warned that the anti Semitic attacks 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:09.079 had not yet plataued well. Today, Federal Opposition leader Peter 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.920 Dutton said that reform of the Migration Act is needed 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:18.760 to ensure visas aren't being issued to anti Semites. He 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.120 said that if he were Prime Minister, he would also 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:26.920 revoke visas retrospectively if those who arrived in Australia did 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:28.960 not comply with our values. 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.280 I want to send a very clear message to people 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.960 who hate us, hate our country, hate Jewish people, hate 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.359 other segments of our society that's under government, that ily 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.919 they'll have no place in this country. You will reform 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.160 the MAGWA, we will reform the migration program. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:50.200 Peter Darton also expressed support for revoking the charity status 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:55.080 from religious institutions that hosted the hate preachers. Taxpayer funds 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.920 shouldn't be going towards spreading racism, that was his view. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.680 He also reci funded to the fact that Home Affairs 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.840 Minister Tony Burke is fast tracking twelve and a half 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:12.160 thousand Australian citizenship applications, many in electorates where labor is 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:18.760 desperate to win. The Daily Telegraph has reported today that 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:23.239 Tony Burke's department will go on an industrial scale citizenship 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:28.560 ebscriber Ganza to give twelve five hundred New Australians their 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.640 citizenship papers just in time to vote in the federal election. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.800 The tele reports that Western Sydney mayor's were furious. On Thursday, 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.520 the Tony Burke's department took upcoming ceremonies out of their 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:45.320 hands to confer citizenships on six thousand New Australians in 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:51.440 Olympic Park over three days from today. Now. This story 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.640 broke as our summit was underway and Peter Dutton accused 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.200 Tony Burke in the Albanese government of trying to bolster 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:02.440 Labour's votes in keelect in Western Sydney right on the 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.000 eve of the federal election. 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.640 Here, he was the reality is that Tony Burke is 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.040 spending today and the rest of this week, as I 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.480 understand it, conducting as many citizenship ceremonies as you can, 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.520 literally putting thousands of people through an express citizenship process 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.680 so that they can vote in the election within a 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.680 few weeks, which I think is quite remarkable. And I 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:30.440 just question whether there has been any slackening of the process, 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.560 whether there has been any compromise on the security checks, 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.640 and whether it's in our country's best interests for people 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:43.440 to receive citizenship before the proper security checks have been undertaken, 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:47.240 or people have had within the Home Affairs Department the 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.000 time to be able to conduct the searches that we 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:51.240 would expect to be conducted. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.600 Peter Dudden was extremely strong and more of his comments 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.000 are coming up on my show tonight now. Federick Court Judge, 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:04.000 just as Michael Lee said overhaul of the education system 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:08.320 was needed to tackle the antisemitism scourge. He said this 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.400 requires the building of a national consensus to embark upon 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.239 a real reform of our education system, and he spoke 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:22.040 about instilling a shared understanding of Australian values of tolerance, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:27.960 individual liberty, and an appreciation for liberal democratic thought. In 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.800 very strong remarks, he questioned who with any credibility could 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.599 defend the status quo. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.359 The University of Sydney Act expressly provides that the object 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.520 of the university of which I'm a graduate is the 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:46.440 promotion of scholarship, research, free inquiry, in the interaction of 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:51.039 research and teaching, and academic excellence. Other universities have similarly 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:55.719 expressed objects. But despite these worthy goals and the effort 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.000 of some well meeting academics, we would be naive in 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:03.159 failing to recognise that the liberal arts have increasingly become 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:07.839 sanctuaries for a prevailing pattern of thought that has tolerated, fostered, 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:12.960 and his facilitated anti semitism. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:18.160 Tolerated, fostered and facilitated anti semitism, and he's absolutely right. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:23.440 Justice Lee also spoke about how ignorance provides a fertile 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:28.560 soil for ahistorical and ideologically driven notions of so called 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:33.800 settler colonialism, which he says diminishes the Western tradition and 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:38.000 equates it with societies that place little value on individual 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.520 liberty and religious tolerance, and I'm going to play you 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.039 more of his truly remarkable speech a bit later in 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.240 the show. We also today saw a very clear contrast 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:54.880 between two labor politicians. Today New South Wales Premier Chris 0:06:54.920 --> 0:07:00.039 Mins spoke and his speech was well received by the 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.200 audience at the Central Synagogue where our summit was held. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.120 Chris Min said he was ashamed that the hateful scenes 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.039 of the Opera House protest had. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.120 Unfolded under his watch. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.720 He said he took personal responsibility for addressing this crisis 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:21.480 and making sure that his state was safe for everyone. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.800 I speak on behalf of millions of people in New 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.880 South Wales when I say we are appalled and we 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.560 are heartbroken. It was appalling to see the hateful scenes 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.800 on the steps of the Sydney Opera House one day 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.240 after October seventh, and I can tell you I'm deeply 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.360 ashamed that it happened under my watch as Premier of 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:42.880 this state. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.400 And you heard the applause that he got it multiple 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.160 times during his speech. The labor premier also spoke about 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.720 how the spate of violent attacks had impacted on the 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.760 school year, and even children. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:02.720 I know this has been a terrible summer for the 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.480 Jewish community of New South Wales from our conversations. I 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:10.280 know that you're exhausted and frustrated and justifiably angry. No 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.640 one should ever have to change their behavior because of 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.800 the ignorance and bigotry of small minds of other people. 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.760 There are Jewish kids who are no longer catching the 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.280 bus to school in the morning. There are Jewish kids 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.320 who are hiding their school uniforms in public, and I 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.320 need to say it in an unambiguous. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.520 Way, this is a public disgrace. This shouldn't be allowed 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:33.000 to happen. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:36.600 Well. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:41.640 Chris Min's speech was heartfelt, powerful and he clearly enjoyed 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.400 the strong support of the audience gathered. There were multiple 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.640 rounds of applause and he received a standing ovation. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.239 This to say that this issue is not political. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:08.240 It's about how our political leaders are responding to this 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:13.520 crisis in social cohesion. Federal Attorney General Mark drefis the 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.560 most senior Jewish politician. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.480 In our country and the son of a. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.120 Holocaust survivor, spoke at the summit about the actions taken 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.360 so far by the Albanezi government. The reception to Dreyfus 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.960 couldn't have been more different to how the audience embraced 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:33.800 Chris Mins. The live audience, who'd been invited by the synagogue, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.760 not by Sky News, reacted to Dreyfus's claim that the 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.560 Albanezy government was taking strong action on anti semitism. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:47.000 Like this, Australian government stands with Jewish Australians in the 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:55.400 fight against anti semitism whenever and wherever it occurs. The 0:09:55.440 --> 0:10:00.480 Australian Government has expressly condemned words and acts of hate 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:13.520 directed at Jewish people. The Albaneze government has not just 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.439 talked about anti semitism. We have acted and we will 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:18.439 keep acting. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.800 Drovers also appeared to take a swipe at media outlets 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.760 for covering the antisemitism crisis. 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.400 Anti Semitism cannot and must not be weaponized in the 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.680 pursuit of votes. It must not be weaponized in the 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.360 pursuit of newspaper sales or TV ratings. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:48.200 Either newspaper sales and TV ratings. Well, presumably he's referring 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.200 to Sky News, a newscop there which almost every other 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:57.559 speaker today acknowledged for our strong stand against antisemitism. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.520 The suggestion that we're doing this for. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:06.040 Ratings or profit is deeply offensive. Attorney General, I'd love 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.800 nothing more than never have to report on antisemitism again. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.840 Our lives have been turned upside down since October seven, 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:19.199 with enormous daily anxiety and regular attacks on Jewish targets. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.679 We're covering this and we're pushing back against it, not 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:29.319 for ratings or profits, but because it's our moral obligation. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.000 We won't stay silent, and we shouldn't stay silent, and 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:38.240 no one in this country should either. Former Treasurer Josh 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.840 Friedenberg delivered one of the most moving and powerful speeches 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.760 of the day. Reflecting on how the crisis developed. He said, 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.719 at first our leaders decided to ignore it, and then 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.800 they hoped it would go away. He said the sum 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.000 of current action was simply not enough, and he compared 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.360 it to scooping water out of a boat that has 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.920 a leak hoping it wouldn't sink. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:06.000 There is no point scooping water. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:13.000 Out of our boat that has a leak hoping it 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:14.240 will not sink. 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:22.600 You must plug the leak first, otherwise all on board 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.880 due and non dew will eventually drown. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.280 And this is my message today. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.280 And we'll play you more of Josh Friedenberg's remarkable speech. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.360 Later in the show, Former Home Affair Secretary Mike Pizzullo said, 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:46.479 the current antisemitism crisis should be declared a national emergency. 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.960 Should this be declared a national emergency? 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.400 Yes, I believe that we're an event to occur. We 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.440 look back, the Raw Commission would look back and say 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.400 there was a failure to declare this a national terror situation, 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.199 which is required, which is an activity under the National 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.120 Counterrorism Plan. That means that we pull together all of 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.000 the streams that I just spoke about, that declaration should 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.600 be made today. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.960 And that suggestion was one of the key actionable outcomes 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:22.200 that emerged from the summit. Jewish community leader Alex Ripchen, 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.720 who hosted the summit with me, spoke about the reforms 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.000 needed to make a tangible difference in the racism against 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.960 Jews unfolding in Australia. 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.679 The federal government should declare the existence of a national emergency. 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:45.160 An Establisher joins. An Establisher joined Canaterrism task Force led 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.600 by a single Minister to coordinate and mobilize all relevant 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.360 agencies in the fight against antisemitic terror. Before we have 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.840 a major terror attack in this country. Uniformed police and 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.440 guidelines should be established. An intelligence and law enforce should 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.640 be trained in understanding what anti semitism is and how 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.959 it is expressed, so that they can identify and prosecute 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.160 those who commit crimes. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.280 Aside from the national Emergency, some of the other key 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:18.679 reforms were having antisemitism education including the study of Holocaust 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.840 in the national curriculum, a public awareness an advertising campaign, 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:27.160 a national ban on encampments at universities about on the 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:32.520 disruption of lectures by protesters, a judicial inquiry into antisemitism 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.520 at Australian universities. Revoking the charity status and all funding 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:43.040 if religious and charitable institutions promote racism or display terror symbols. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.800 Reforming the Migration Act so that antisemitic conduct is grounds 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:52.920 to refuse, a new visa all counsel an existing one. 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.800 Government grants to festivals and individuals should come with a 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:01.000 condition that the recipient does not spread races, and those 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:05.520 grants can also be revoked now. Alex Rupchun also spoke 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:09.720 about how important these reforms are and he called for 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.240 political parties to commit to them ahead of the federal. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:18.240 Election, Government, law enforcement, community organizations must do their part, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.040 but I ask you to please do yours. Your messages 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.400 of support mean the world to us, truly, But the 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.440 rest of the country needs to hear you too, particularly 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.800 in those dark recesses of ignorance and malice. They need 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.240 to hear that they will not define this country. Each 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.680 of us has a platform and the ability to influence 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:42.080 those around them, So speak out, condemn anti Semitism wherever 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:42.520 you see it. 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.440 Many of the summit demands were already strongly endorsed by 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:52.080 Peter Dutton when I interviewed him today. But as many 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:56.320 speakers today said, this is not simply an issue for 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:00.640 the Jewish community. This goes to the fundamental character of 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:05.040 our country. It goes to our national security, our sovereignty, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:09.600 and the values that underpin our Western liberal democracy. And 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.880 until the wave of terror attacks stop, until safety returns 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.200 to our streets, we will continue to campaign for a 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:25.040 better world. Now tonight, Hamas has handed over to Israel 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.120 the bodies of mum Shiri Bibas and her two babies, 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:33.320 Ariel and Kafa. It's right now in the process of 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.880 handing those bodies over. Shiri and her two beautiful sons 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:43.280 were stolen from their homes in the greatest of distress. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:50.560 On October seven, Hamas and other Palestinian terror organizations kidnapped 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:57.000 this mother and her young children, dragging them into Gaza 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:03.800 where civilians celebrated. This senseless act of terrorism and cruelty 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.520 is truly inexplicable. 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:08.680 Here was Ariel. 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.000 I'm going to show you now, a happy boy, a toddler, 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:17.240 and a child before his life was destroyed by barbarians 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.400 at the age of just four. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:35.200 Have a look. 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:44.280 Ariel and his baby brother Kafir had their whole lives 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:49.040 ahead of them. Now they returned to Israel in coffins, 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:54.040 and Humas has no qualms about parading those coffins on 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.960 a stage, as they've done this evening, as if they're 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:03.320 proud of this murder and evil, and civilians have come 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.320 out to celebrate their filming. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:06.160 They've taken their. 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:10.640 Children like it's some fun day out to watch the 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:15.200 coffins of a baby and a child and a mother 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:21.200 on stage. Israeli ambassador and me and Maimon spoke about 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.359 the plight of the Bibas family today at our summit. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:30.000 In just a few hours, four of the seventy three 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:36.800 Israeli's hostages are expected to be released, but sadly, only 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:42.200 there remains while we wait for instant confirmation. 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.280 It is believed these will be the bodies of the 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:54.160 Bibas family, Shiri, Arielle and film and eighty five years 0:18:54.200 --> 0:19:00.000 old or dead lifshits brutally murdered by harmasterers. 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.320 We will not rest until they're all return home. 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.560 The evil of Hamas and the other terror groups that 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.680 kidnapped Shiri and her children will Their evil knows no bounds. 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.800 The depravity runs deeper than we can ever imagine. Looking 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.720 at that site of the coffins on the stage and 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.359 thinking about how Hamas has won so much support in 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:31.400 Western institutions and in international forums, it makes me conclude 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:39.639 that the world is deeply broken. Okay, let's have a 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.160 look at some of the other big stories around today. 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.800 Let's bring in our Perth mayor Basil Zemplis and Sky 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:46.760 News host Joe Hildebrand. 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:48.879 Welcome to you, vote, good evening. 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.480 And congratulate sharing on the summit. 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.800 Thank you son, Thank you Joe. So let's talk about 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.960 this major economic story coming out of Wyla today. The 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.960 Prime Minister and the Premier Peter Mallanaskis promised two point 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:05.560 four billion dollars of taxpayer money to keep Wyala still works. 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.800 Afloat here was alban easy today. 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:13.000 But our priority, which is immediate, is securing the jobs 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:18.159 right here in Wyala. I remember the previous government, the 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:22.000 same government that told the car industry to bugger off 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.679 from South Australia also said that Woyala would be wiped 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:29.240 off the map if we actually took action. Of course 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:34.280 none of that occurred. We want Wylla not just to survive, 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.040 but to thrive and grow. 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:38.440 Basil zamplars. 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.760 Is this appropriate to throw billions of dollars more taxpayer 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:43.520 money at this. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:45.480 Well? 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.959 I think the Whyala works need to be kept a float. 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.119 It is that important to the state of South Australia 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.719 to so many jobs in the South Australian economy, and 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:58.040 obviously has flow on effects for Australia. But it really 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.800 should never have come to this, and I think Labour's 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:06.120 ideological pursuit of renewables at all cost has to come 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.720 into question. We know that the hydrogen that was being 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.000 pursued has just not worked, and it's one of five 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.960 closes I think in the last twelve months, and that 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.520 is the path that labor continue wanting to take the 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:23.760 Australian people down. If it doesn't add up, if the 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.840 technology cannot be guaranteed, and if the sums are not 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:32.240 there to make it work, pursuing it like this is nonsensical. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.960 But Wyler needs to be supported, and I think in 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:40.880 these desperate times, this transferral, if you like, of these 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:44.560 funds across to keep Wiler still Works going is an 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.520 important move and one that I think Peter Dutton and 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.120 the Coalition have said they support. 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:54.880 Joe Hudebrand, you know, as Bazil just said, hydrogen projects 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:58.199 are falling over left, right and center. Countries around the 0:21:58.200 --> 0:21:59.880 world are embracing nuclear. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:01.399 Yet Alban Easy. 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.720 Refuses to touch nuclear and he still says this isn't 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:05.720 the end of hydrogen. 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:06.760 Yeah, well look. 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:08.600 Nuclear was never going to come in time to save 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:09.720 the way o the steel works. 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:13.560 No, it's about the position he's taking on different energy. 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:14.960 Well, I suppose it's about what you do in the 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.000 here and now, and again, I've got no ideological problem 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:18.280 with nuclear whatsoever. 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.320 I do not fear nuclear power. But the problem is 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:21.840 we just. 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.520 Do not have a nuclear industry in Australia that is 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:26.760 up and running in order to be able to produce 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:28.840 the kind of power we need in a timely fashion. 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.720 But shelving the nuclear argument to one side for a second, 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.760 the whole point obviously of green hydrogen is that you 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.280 can get the energy intensity that you can't get from 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.040 solar and wind, and so that means for really really 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:46.480 intensive projects like steel works, like steel and aluminium smelters, 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.919 which you simply cannot get wind and solar simply cannot 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:53.280 produce enough power at the right time to put the 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:55.919 huge amount of energy you need to basically melt the 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.520 steel and the energy, which is why you use cocing cop. 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.000 So if there is a question mark over whether or 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.680 not Whyala steel works will go ahead, and obviously they're 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:06.480 saying they're going to save it, but even if there's 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:10.119 a smallst question mark, you would put the green hydrogen 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:12.480 on hold because the only reason you would have that 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:14.879 is once you know that it's going ahead. So it 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:20.040 actually is a perfectly sensible economic decision to pause the 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:23.919 green hydrogen and the electoralizers until you know that the 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:25.840 steel works is definitely going to be ongoing concern and 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:29.120 we do have to save it because Whyala produces steel 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:32.880 almost exclusively for an Australian market, So it produces Australian 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:34.360 steel in Australia for. 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.040 Consumption by Australia. And we know that. 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.080 The supply chains that we used to take for granted, 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:42.680 we simply cannot anymore. 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:44.120 And if we do not make our own. 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.479 Steel here, it puts us at the mercy of cheaper, 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:48.320 lower grade Chinese. 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:49.520 Steel that we have to import. 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:53.040 And we all know what happens when the Chinese have 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:57.000 economic leverage like that and we say something to upset them. Suddenly, 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.200 you know, or the steel stops coming, or the steel 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.439 goes up, or the bar he's not important or whatever. 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:03.880 So it is an absolute necessity that we keep it. 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:08.080 All right, Let's turn to this extraordinary and really worrying 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.760 story today, Donald Trump launching a war of words against 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:16.400 Ukrainian President Voladimir Zelenski, accusing him of being a dictator 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:21.679 and bizarrely implying Ukraine started the war with Russia. 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.439 Have a look, you should have never started it. 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:25.600 You could have made a deal. 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:30.760 Well, we have a situation where we haven't had elections 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:34.880 in Ukraine, where we have martial law, essentially martial law 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:38.679 in Ukraine. Where the leader in Ukraine, I mean, I 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:40.639 hate to say it, but he's down at four percent 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:41.680 approval rating. 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:47.640 Well Tony Abbott in London responded to this claim very strongly. 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:50.359 Well, let's be very clear. 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:57.200 Putin started this war, Russia started this war, and anyone 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:01.359 who thinks otherwise is living in fantasyland. Now, obviously we 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:06.520 want peace, but it can't just be a surrender to vicious, 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:08.240 naked aggression. 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:10.200 Basil. 0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.840 I thought this was a really worrying sign today. This 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:19.560 was even stronger language than Trump used in the election campaign, 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.879 and as Andrew Bolt said earlier, it seems like you 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.919 might be taking his cues from some of the naughty 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.320 internet figures. 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.080 It was only a matter of time before we went 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.360 from wobbley to wheels falling off, at least momentarily from 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.200 Donald Trump. We know we're in for a bumpy four years, 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:42.720 but this was so off course and so unexpected that 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.800 I think the world is still digesting exactly what is 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:48.400 he trying to do here, Because nobody accepts the premise 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:51.879 other than Vladimir Putin, I should imagine, nobody accepts the 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:55.560 premise that he has put forward that somehow Ukraine started 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:56.240 this war? 0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:00.480 So what's he getting at? As he just this is just. 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.240 A case of Donald Trump and Donald Trump, and he's 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:04.320 not quite sure what he's saying, or he's misspoken in 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.520