Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much Andrew, and we know you would have
Speaker 2: loved to have been then we missed having you there.
Speaker 3: All right, good evening everyone.
Speaker 2: Tonight, Peter Dutton commits to major reform of the Migration
Speaker 2: Act to refuse visas to andy Semites if he wins
Speaker 2: the election. This as a leading Federal court judge says
Speaker 2: the education system in Australia needs an overhaul after universities
Speaker 2: have become in many cases not only politically charged, but intolerant.
Speaker 2: More on the major outcomes from our Sky News Anti
Speaker 2: Semitism summit. Shortly Hamas has tonight paraded the coffins on
Speaker 2: stage of Baby Kafir, Riel and Shiri in one of
Speaker 2: the most despicable sites yet their barbarity has no bounds,
Speaker 2: and Albanezi promises billions of taxpayer dollars to keep his
Speaker 2: failed Green dream alive if I'll get reaction from Basil
Speaker 2: Zemplus and Joe Hildebrand in a moment. But first tonight
Speaker 2: refusing visas for anti Semites, banning encampments on universities, revoking
Speaker 2: taxpayer funding for the religious institutions that platform hate preachers,
Speaker 2: and reintroducing Holocaust education into the national school curriculum.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: These were some of the outcomes of today's Sky News
Speaker 2: Antisemitism Summit that brought together the nation's sharpest political, legal
Speaker 2: minds and policy experts in the field. Jewish leaders and
Speaker 2: national security specialists called for a state of emergency to
Speaker 2: now be declared amid the terrifying rise.
Speaker 3: In anti Semitism.
Speaker 2: An esteemed Federal Court Judge Justice Michael Lee gave a
Speaker 2: powerful speech making the case for major reform of the
Speaker 2: education system. Today's summit came as the ASIO Director gener
Speaker 2: Mike Burgess last night warned that the anti Semitic attacks
Speaker 2: had not yet plataued well. Today, Federal Opposition leader Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton said that reform of the Migration Act is needed
Speaker 2: to ensure visas aren't being issued to anti Semites. He
Speaker 2: said that if he were Prime Minister, he would also
Speaker 2: revoke visas retrospectively if those who arrived in Australia did
Speaker 2: not comply with our values.
Speaker 5: I want to send a very clear message to people
Speaker 5: who hate us, hate our country, hate Jewish people, hate
Speaker 5: other segments of our society that's under government, that ily
Speaker 5: they'll have no place in this country. You will reform
Speaker 5: the MAGWA, we will reform the migration program.
Speaker 2: Peter Darton also expressed support for revoking the charity status
Speaker 2: from religious institutions that hosted the hate preachers. Taxpayer funds
Speaker 2: shouldn't be going towards spreading racism, that was his view.
Speaker 2: He also reci funded to the fact that Home Affairs
Speaker 2: Minister Tony Burke is fast tracking twelve and a half
Speaker 2: thousand Australian citizenship applications, many in electorates where labor is
Speaker 2: desperate to win. The Daily Telegraph has reported today that
Speaker 2: Tony Burke's department will go on an industrial scale citizenship
Speaker 2: ebscriber Ganza to give twelve five hundred New Australians their
Speaker 2: citizenship papers just in time to vote in the federal election.
Speaker 2: The tele reports that Western Sydney mayor's were furious. On Thursday,
Speaker 2: the Tony Burke's department took upcoming ceremonies out of their
Speaker 2: hands to confer citizenships on six thousand New Australians in
Speaker 2: Olympic Park over three days from today. Now. This story
Speaker 2: broke as our summit was underway and Peter Dutton accused
Speaker 2: Tony Burke in the Albanese government of trying to bolster
Speaker 2: Labour's votes in keelect in Western Sydney right on the
Speaker 2: eve of the federal election.
Speaker 5: Here, he was the reality is that Tony Burke is
Speaker 5: spending today and the rest of this week, as I
Speaker 5: understand it, conducting as many citizenship ceremonies as you can,
Speaker 5: literally putting thousands of people through an express citizenship process
Speaker 5: so that they can vote in the election within a
Speaker 5: few weeks, which I think is quite remarkable. And I
Speaker 5: just question whether there has been any slackening of the process,
Speaker 5: whether there has been any compromise on the security checks,
Speaker 5: and whether it's in our country's best interests for people
Speaker 5: to receive citizenship before the proper security checks have been undertaken,
Speaker 5: or people have had within the Home Affairs Department the
Speaker 5: time to be able to conduct the searches that we
Speaker 5: would expect to be conducted.
Speaker 2: Peter Dudden was extremely strong and more of his comments
Speaker 2: are coming up on my show tonight now. Federick Court Judge,
Speaker 2: just as Michael Lee said overhaul of the education system
Speaker 2: was needed to tackle the antisemitism scourge. He said this
Speaker 2: requires the building of a national consensus to embark upon
Speaker 2: a real reform of our education system, and he spoke
Speaker 2: about instilling a shared understanding of Australian values of tolerance,
Speaker 2: individual liberty, and an appreciation for liberal democratic thought. In
Speaker 2: very strong remarks, he questioned who with any credibility could
Speaker 2: defend the status quo.
Speaker 6: The University of Sydney Act expressly provides that the object
Speaker 6: of the university of which I'm a graduate is the
Speaker 6: promotion of scholarship, research, free inquiry, in the interaction of
Speaker 6: research and teaching, and academic excellence. Other universities have similarly
Speaker 6: expressed objects. But despite these worthy goals and the effort
Speaker 6: of some well meeting academics, we would be naive in
Speaker 6: failing to recognise that the liberal arts have increasingly become
Speaker 6: sanctuaries for a prevailing pattern of thought that has tolerated, fostered,
Speaker 6: and his facilitated anti semitism.
Speaker 2: Tolerated, fostered and facilitated anti semitism, and he's absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Justice Lee also spoke about how ignorance provides a fertile
Speaker 2: soil for ahistorical and ideologically driven notions of so called
Speaker 2: settler colonialism, which he says diminishes the Western tradition and
Speaker 2: equates it with societies that place little value on individual
Speaker 2: liberty and religious tolerance, and I'm going to play you
Speaker 2: more of his truly remarkable speech a bit later in
Speaker 2: the show. We also today saw a very clear contrast
Speaker 2: between two labor politicians. Today New South Wales Premier Chris
Speaker 2: Mins spoke and his speech was well received by the
Speaker 2: audience at the Central Synagogue where our summit was held.
Speaker 2: Chris Min said he was ashamed that the hateful scenes
Speaker 2: of the Opera House protest had.
Speaker 3: Unfolded under his watch.
Speaker 2: He said he took personal responsibility for addressing this crisis
Speaker 2: and making sure that his state was safe for everyone.
Speaker 7: I speak on behalf of millions of people in New
Speaker 7: South Wales when I say we are appalled and we
Speaker 7: are heartbroken. It was appalling to see the hateful scenes
Speaker 7: on the steps of the Sydney Opera House one day
Speaker 7: after October seventh, and I can tell you I'm deeply
Speaker 7: ashamed that it happened under my watch as Premier of
Speaker 7: this state.
Speaker 2: And you heard the applause that he got it multiple
Speaker 2: times during his speech. The labor premier also spoke about
Speaker 2: how the spate of violent attacks had impacted on the
Speaker 2: school year, and even children.
Speaker 8: I know this has been a terrible summer for the
Speaker 8: Jewish community of New South Wales from our conversations. I
Speaker 8: know that you're exhausted and frustrated and justifiably angry. No
Speaker 8: one should ever have to change their behavior because of
Speaker 8: the ignorance and bigotry of small minds of other people.
Speaker 8: There are Jewish kids who are no longer catching the
Speaker 8: bus to school in the morning. There are Jewish kids
Speaker 8: who are hiding their school uniforms in public, and I
Speaker 8: need to say it in an unambiguous.
Speaker 7: Way, this is a public disgrace. This shouldn't be allowed
Speaker 7: to happen.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 2: Chris Min's speech was heartfelt, powerful and he clearly enjoyed
Speaker 2: the strong support of the audience gathered. There were multiple
Speaker 2: rounds of applause and he received a standing ovation.
Speaker 3: This to say that this issue is not political.
Speaker 2: It's about how our political leaders are responding to this
Speaker 2: crisis in social cohesion. Federal Attorney General Mark drefis the
Speaker 2: most senior Jewish politician.
Speaker 3: In our country and the son of a.
Speaker 2: Holocaust survivor, spoke at the summit about the actions taken
Speaker 2: so far by the Albanezi government. The reception to Dreyfus
Speaker 2: couldn't have been more different to how the audience embraced
Speaker 2: Chris Mins. The live audience, who'd been invited by the synagogue,
Speaker 2: not by Sky News, reacted to Dreyfus's claim that the
Speaker 2: Albanezy government was taking strong action on anti semitism.
Speaker 10: Like this, Australian government stands with Jewish Australians in the
Speaker 10: fight against anti semitism whenever and wherever it occurs. The
Speaker 10: Australian Government has expressly condemned words and acts of hate
Speaker 10: directed at Jewish people. The Albaneze government has not just
Speaker 10: talked about anti semitism. We have acted and we will
Speaker 10: keep acting.
Speaker 2: Drovers also appeared to take a swipe at media outlets
Speaker 2: for covering the antisemitism crisis.
Speaker 10: Anti Semitism cannot and must not be weaponized in the
Speaker 10: pursuit of votes. It must not be weaponized in the
Speaker 10: pursuit of newspaper sales or TV ratings.
Speaker 2: Either newspaper sales and TV ratings. Well, presumably he's referring
Speaker 2: to Sky News, a newscop there which almost every other
Speaker 2: speaker today acknowledged for our strong stand against antisemitism.
Speaker 3: The suggestion that we're doing this for.
Speaker 2: Ratings or profit is deeply offensive. Attorney General, I'd love
Speaker 2: nothing more than never have to report on antisemitism again.
Speaker 2: Our lives have been turned upside down since October seven,
Speaker 2: with enormous daily anxiety and regular attacks on Jewish targets.
Speaker 2: We're covering this and we're pushing back against it, not
Speaker 2: for ratings or profits, but because it's our moral obligation.
Speaker 2: We won't stay silent, and we shouldn't stay silent, and
Speaker 2: no one in this country should either. Former Treasurer Josh
Speaker 2: Friedenberg delivered one of the most moving and powerful speeches
Speaker 2: of the day. Reflecting on how the crisis developed. He said,
Speaker 2: at first our leaders decided to ignore it, and then
Speaker 2: they hoped it would go away. He said the sum
Speaker 2: of current action was simply not enough, and he compared
Speaker 2: it to scooping water out of a boat that has
Speaker 2: a leak hoping it wouldn't sink.
Speaker 11: There is no point scooping water.
Speaker 1: Out of our boat that has a leak hoping it
Speaker 1: will not sink.
Speaker 11: You must plug the leak first, otherwise all on board
Speaker 11: due and non dew will eventually drown.
Speaker 1: And this is my message today.
Speaker 2: And we'll play you more of Josh Friedenberg's remarkable speech.
Speaker 2: Later in the show, Former Home Affair Secretary Mike Pizzullo said,
Speaker 2: the current antisemitism crisis should be declared a national emergency.
Speaker 1: Should this be declared a national emergency?
Speaker 12: Yes, I believe that we're an event to occur. We
Speaker 12: look back, the Raw Commission would look back and say
Speaker 12: there was a failure to declare this a national terror situation,
Speaker 12: which is required, which is an activity under the National
Speaker 12: Counterrorism Plan. That means that we pull together all of
Speaker 12: the streams that I just spoke about, that declaration should
Speaker 12: be made today.
Speaker 2: And that suggestion was one of the key actionable outcomes
Speaker 2: that emerged from the summit. Jewish community leader Alex Ripchen,
Speaker 2: who hosted the summit with me, spoke about the reforms
Speaker 2: needed to make a tangible difference in the racism against
Speaker 2: Jews unfolding in Australia.
Speaker 13: The federal government should declare the existence of a national emergency.
Speaker 13: An Establisher joins. An Establisher joined Canaterrism task Force led
Speaker 13: by a single Minister to coordinate and mobilize all relevant
Speaker 13: agencies in the fight against antisemitic terror. Before we have
Speaker 13: a major terror attack in this country. Uniformed police and
Speaker 13: guidelines should be established. An intelligence and law enforce should
Speaker 13: be trained in understanding what anti semitism is and how
Speaker 13: it is expressed, so that they can identify and prosecute
Speaker 13: those who commit crimes.
Speaker 2: Aside from the national Emergency, some of the other key
Speaker 2: reforms were having antisemitism education including the study of Holocaust
Speaker 2: in the national curriculum, a public awareness an advertising campaign,
Speaker 2: a national ban on encampments at universities about on the
Speaker 2: disruption of lectures by protesters, a judicial inquiry into antisemitism
Speaker 2: at Australian universities. Revoking the charity status and all funding
Speaker 2: if religious and charitable institutions promote racism or display terror symbols.
Speaker 2: Reforming the Migration Act so that antisemitic conduct is grounds
Speaker 2: to refuse, a new visa all counsel an existing one.
Speaker 2: Government grants to festivals and individuals should come with a
Speaker 2: condition that the recipient does not spread races, and those
Speaker 2: grants can also be revoked now. Alex Rupchun also spoke
Speaker 2: about how important these reforms are and he called for
Speaker 2: political parties to commit to them ahead of the federal.
Speaker 13: Election, Government, law enforcement, community organizations must do their part,
Speaker 13: but I ask you to please do yours. Your messages
Speaker 13: of support mean the world to us, truly, But the
Speaker 13: rest of the country needs to hear you too, particularly
Speaker 13: in those dark recesses of ignorance and malice. They need
Speaker 13: to hear that they will not define this country. Each
Speaker 13: of us has a platform and the ability to influence
Speaker 13: those around them, So speak out, condemn anti Semitism wherever
Speaker 13: you see it.
Speaker 2: Many of the summit demands were already strongly endorsed by
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton when I interviewed him today. But as many
Speaker 2: speakers today said, this is not simply an issue for
Speaker 2: the Jewish community. This goes to the fundamental character of
Speaker 2: our country. It goes to our national security, our sovereignty,
Speaker 2: and the values that underpin our Western liberal democracy. And
Speaker 2: until the wave of terror attacks stop, until safety returns
Speaker 2: to our streets, we will continue to campaign for a
Speaker 2: better world. Now tonight, Hamas has handed over to Israel
Speaker 2: the bodies of mum Shiri Bibas and her two babies,
Speaker 2: Ariel and Kafa. It's right now in the process of
Speaker 2: handing those bodies over. Shiri and her two beautiful sons
Speaker 2: were stolen from their homes in the greatest of distress.
Speaker 2: On October seven, Hamas and other Palestinian terror organizations kidnapped
Speaker 2: this mother and her young children, dragging them into Gaza
Speaker 2: where civilians celebrated. This senseless act of terrorism and cruelty
Speaker 2: is truly inexplicable.
Speaker 3: Here was Ariel.
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you now, a happy boy, a toddler,
Speaker 2: and a child before his life was destroyed by barbarians
Speaker 2: at the age of just four.
Speaker 14: Have a look.
Speaker 2: Ariel and his baby brother Kafir had their whole lives
Speaker 2: ahead of them. Now they returned to Israel in coffins,
Speaker 2: and Humas has no qualms about parading those coffins on
Speaker 2: a stage, as they've done this evening, as if they're
Speaker 2: proud of this murder and evil, and civilians have come
Speaker 2: out to celebrate their filming.
Speaker 3: They've taken their.
Speaker 2: Children like it's some fun day out to watch the
Speaker 2: coffins of a baby and a child and a mother
Speaker 2: on stage. Israeli ambassador and me and Maimon spoke about
Speaker 2: the plight of the Bibas family today at our summit.
Speaker 15: In just a few hours, four of the seventy three
Speaker 15: Israeli's hostages are expected to be released, but sadly, only
Speaker 15: there remains while we wait for instant confirmation.
Speaker 16: It is believed these will be the bodies of the
Speaker 16: Bibas family, Shiri, Arielle and film and eighty five years
Speaker 16: old or dead lifshits brutally murdered by harmasterers.
Speaker 15: We will not rest until they're all return home.
Speaker 2: The evil of Hamas and the other terror groups that
Speaker 2: kidnapped Shiri and her children will Their evil knows no bounds.
Speaker 2: The depravity runs deeper than we can ever imagine. Looking
Speaker 2: at that site of the coffins on the stage and
Speaker 2: thinking about how Hamas has won so much support in
Speaker 2: Western institutions and in international forums, it makes me conclude
Speaker 2: that the world is deeply broken. Okay, let's have a
Speaker 2: look at some of the other big stories around today.
Speaker 2: Let's bring in our Perth mayor Basil Zemplis and Sky
Speaker 2: News host Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you, vote, good evening.
Speaker 9: And congratulate sharing on the summit.
Speaker 2: Thank you son, Thank you Joe. So let's talk about
Speaker 2: this major economic story coming out of Wyla today. The
Speaker 2: Prime Minister and the Premier Peter Mallanaskis promised two point
Speaker 2: four billion dollars of taxpayer money to keep Wyala still works.
Speaker 2: Afloat here was alban easy today.
Speaker 17: But our priority, which is immediate, is securing the jobs
Speaker 17: right here in Wyala. I remember the previous government, the
Speaker 17: same government that told the car industry to bugger off
Speaker 17: from South Australia also said that Woyala would be wiped
Speaker 17: off the map if we actually took action. Of course
Speaker 17: none of that occurred. We want Wylla not just to survive,
Speaker 17: but to thrive and grow.
Speaker 3: Basil zamplars.
Speaker 2: Is this appropriate to throw billions of dollars more taxpayer
Speaker 2: money at this.
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 18: I think the Whyala works need to be kept a float.
Speaker 18: It is that important to the state of South Australia
Speaker 18: to so many jobs in the South Australian economy, and
Speaker 18: obviously has flow on effects for Australia. But it really
Speaker 18: should never have come to this, and I think Labour's
Speaker 18: ideological pursuit of renewables at all cost has to come
Speaker 18: into question. We know that the hydrogen that was being
Speaker 18: pursued has just not worked, and it's one of five
Speaker 18: closes I think in the last twelve months, and that
Speaker 18: is the path that labor continue wanting to take the
Speaker 18: Australian people down. If it doesn't add up, if the
Speaker 18: technology cannot be guaranteed, and if the sums are not
Speaker 18: there to make it work, pursuing it like this is nonsensical.
Speaker 18: But Wyler needs to be supported, and I think in
Speaker 18: these desperate times, this transferral, if you like, of these
Speaker 18: funds across to keep Wiler still Works going is an
Speaker 18: important move and one that I think Peter Dutton and
Speaker 18: the Coalition have said they support.
Speaker 2: Joe Hudebrand, you know, as Bazil just said, hydrogen projects
Speaker 2: are falling over left, right and center. Countries around the
Speaker 2: world are embracing nuclear.
Speaker 3: Yet Alban Easy.
Speaker 2: Refuses to touch nuclear and he still says this isn't
Speaker 2: the end of hydrogen.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well look.
Speaker 4: Nuclear was never going to come in time to save
Speaker 4: the way o the steel works.
Speaker 2: No, it's about the position he's taking on different energy.
Speaker 4: Well, I suppose it's about what you do in the
Speaker 4: here and now, and again, I've got no ideological problem
Speaker 4: with nuclear whatsoever.
Speaker 9: I do not fear nuclear power. But the problem is
Speaker 9: we just.
Speaker 4: Do not have a nuclear industry in Australia that is
Speaker 4: up and running in order to be able to produce
Speaker 4: the kind of power we need in a timely fashion.
Speaker 4: But shelving the nuclear argument to one side for a second,
Speaker 4: the whole point obviously of green hydrogen is that you
Speaker 4: can get the energy intensity that you can't get from
Speaker 4: solar and wind, and so that means for really really
Speaker 4: intensive projects like steel works, like steel and aluminium smelters,
Speaker 4: which you simply cannot get wind and solar simply cannot
Speaker 4: produce enough power at the right time to put the
Speaker 4: huge amount of energy you need to basically melt the
Speaker 4: steel and the energy, which is why you use cocing cop.
Speaker 4: So if there is a question mark over whether or
Speaker 4: not Whyala steel works will go ahead, and obviously they're
Speaker 4: saying they're going to save it, but even if there's
Speaker 4: a smallst question mark, you would put the green hydrogen
Speaker 4: on hold because the only reason you would have that
Speaker 4: is once you know that it's going ahead. So it
Speaker 4: actually is a perfectly sensible economic decision to pause the
Speaker 4: green hydrogen and the electoralizers until you know that the
Speaker 4: steel works is definitely going to be ongoing concern and
Speaker 4: we do have to save it because Whyala produces steel
Speaker 4: almost exclusively for an Australian market, So it produces Australian
Speaker 4: steel in Australia for.
Speaker 9: Consumption by Australia. And we know that.
Speaker 4: The supply chains that we used to take for granted,
Speaker 4: we simply cannot anymore.
Speaker 9: And if we do not make our own.
Speaker 4: Steel here, it puts us at the mercy of cheaper,
Speaker 4: lower grade Chinese.
Speaker 9: Steel that we have to import.
Speaker 4: And we all know what happens when the Chinese have
Speaker 4: economic leverage like that and we say something to upset them. Suddenly,
Speaker 4: you know, or the steel stops coming, or the steel
Speaker 4: goes up, or the bar he's not important or whatever.
Speaker 9: So it is an absolute necessity that we keep it.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's turn to this extraordinary and really worrying
Speaker 2: story today, Donald Trump launching a war of words against
Speaker 2: Ukrainian President Voladimir Zelenski, accusing him of being a dictator
Speaker 2: and bizarrely implying Ukraine started the war with Russia.
Speaker 19: Have a look, you should have never started it.
Speaker 9: You could have made a deal.
Speaker 19: Well, we have a situation where we haven't had elections
Speaker 19: in Ukraine, where we have martial law, essentially martial law
Speaker 19: in Ukraine. Where the leader in Ukraine, I mean, I
Speaker 19: hate to say it, but he's down at four percent
Speaker 19: approval rating.
Speaker 2: Well Tony Abbott in London responded to this claim very strongly.
Speaker 9: Well, let's be very clear.
Speaker 20: Putin started this war, Russia started this war, and anyone
Speaker 20: who thinks otherwise is living in fantasyland. Now, obviously we
Speaker 20: want peace, but it can't just be a surrender to vicious,
Speaker 20: naked aggression.
Speaker 3: Basil.
Speaker 2: I thought this was a really worrying sign today. This
Speaker 2: was even stronger language than Trump used in the election campaign,
Speaker 2: and as Andrew Bolt said earlier, it seems like you
Speaker 2: might be taking his cues from some of the naughty
Speaker 2: internet figures.
Speaker 18: It was only a matter of time before we went
Speaker 18: from wobbley to wheels falling off, at least momentarily from
Speaker 18: Donald Trump. We know we're in for a bumpy four years,
Speaker 18: but this was so off course and so unexpected that
Speaker 18: I think the world is still digesting exactly what is
Speaker 18: he trying to do here, Because nobody accepts the premise
Speaker 18: other than Vladimir Putin, I should imagine, nobody accepts the
Speaker 18: premise that he has put forward that somehow Ukraine started
Speaker 18: this war?
Speaker 9: So what's he getting at? As he just this is just.
Speaker 18: A case of Donald Trump and Donald Trump, and he's
Speaker 18: not quite sure what he's saying, or he's misspoken in
Speaker 18: such a way that he's just confused himself and everyone,
Speaker 18: or is there some deal at play here with Vladimir
Speaker 18: Putin and Russia? And that then becomes the really alarming question,
Speaker 18: what is the deal, what does it mean, what's the
Speaker 18: endgame of it? And who are the casualties on the
Speaker 18: way through to that endgame? So we've got a lot
Speaker 18: more questions than we have answers right now.
Speaker 3: Joe, I thought it.
Speaker 2: Was pretty good today that the opposition leader Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: came out against these comments by Trump. You know, it
Speaker 2: showed that he does have strength, is not going to
Speaker 2: be beholden to Trump should he.
Speaker 3: Win the next election.
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't think the characterization is right
Speaker 2: that Trump didn't know what he was saying.
Speaker 3: He does, so what's what's his endgame?
Speaker 4: Look, as you know, there is a school of thought,
Speaker 4: believe it or not, among sort of ultra ultra ultra
Speaker 4: ultra ultra conservative people who think that Ukraine actually provoked
Speaker 4: Russia by toying with the idea of joining NATO, and
Speaker 4: then you listen to all, you know, all bladmir Putin's
Speaker 4: crazy sort of you know, centuries old history of the
Speaker 4: Kiev russ and how it all started in.
Speaker 9: Kiev and really that's part of RUSSI and blah blah
Speaker 9: blah blah. So he's gone down.
Speaker 3: That rabbit These are the nutty Internet pep, that's.
Speaker 4: Right, and so he's gone down that rabbit hole. He's
Speaker 4: clearly captive to that view. You then had Zolensky overnight
Speaker 4: yesterday saying that you know that Trump is living in
Speaker 4: fantasy land.
Speaker 9: And he's listening to sort of fairies or whatever.
Speaker 4: And we all know that when you criticize Trump, he
Speaker 4: gets very very mean, very very personal, very very quickly.
Speaker 4: He's then come out and said, well, Zolensky wasn't a
Speaker 4: very successful comedian, and he's really unpopular as a president,
Speaker 4: and he's refusing to hold any elections, and you know,
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, it's just Trump being Trump,
Speaker 4: and it's enormously entertaining when lives are not at stake,
Speaker 4: but when you actually have a nation state under attack
Speaker 4: from a much larger, much an aggressor that clearly has
Speaker 4: no moral boundaries. It stops being funny very quickly.
Speaker 3: I mean, you say.
Speaker 2: Trump's being Trump, But to me, everything Trump has done
Speaker 2: as president up until this point has been welcome, has
Speaker 2: been a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 3: This is the.
Speaker 2: First thing he's done that's right, But that is inexplicable
Speaker 2: that you can't defend well.
Speaker 4: I suppose the thing is when you have a crash
Speaker 4: or crash through approach, and you have Donald Trump and
Speaker 4: his supporters who have these views that at times are
Speaker 4: in line with the mainstream but at times are in
Speaker 4: line with the dark corners of the Internet. Sooner or
Speaker 4: later you are going to get to a situation where
Speaker 4: the stuff that Donald Trump did that was fun and
Speaker 4: often effective and and sort of forced people into action,
Speaker 4: where he sort of rips up the rule book and says, right,
Speaker 4: if you guys don't sort it out in Gaza, we're
Speaker 4: going to turn it.
Speaker 2: All into I just think it's completely different propositions. I
Speaker 2: think those are totally different from you.
Speaker 4: It is exactly the same thing that Trump is doing.
Speaker 4: He's just doing it in a different place with different consequences.
Speaker 9: And that and that is and that is the thing.
Speaker 4: So if you're going to accept trump Ism, you have
Speaker 4: to accept that it's not always going to go your way.
Speaker 9: All right.
Speaker 2: I think we don't have time to disagree any longer
Speaker 2: because I've got to get to an outbreak. But Joe
Speaker 2: Hildebrand and Basil zemplars great to see you vote. After
Speaker 2: the break, Peter Dutton signals reforms of the migration active
Speaker 2: he becomes Prime Minister. He also threatens to counsel the
Speaker 2: visas of anyone who doesn't share our values. There, says
Speaker 2: Tony Burke, rushes through twelve thousand citizenships right in time
Speaker 2: for the election. That interview with Dutton coming up after
Speaker 2: this quick break.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, now let's turn to Peter Dutton's strong remarks today.
Speaker 2: I spoke to him about the AZO bus, Mike Burgess's
Speaker 2: warning about our national security. Dutton commits the coalition to
Speaker 2: reforming the Migration Act. Annie says he's concerned the government
Speaker 2: is slackening the requirements for citizenship so they can make
Speaker 2: sure more people are voting for them at the next election.
Speaker 3: Here's that interview. Peter Dutton, the Director General of ASIO.
Speaker 2: Mike Burgess last night said that the normalization of violent
Speaker 2: protest and intimidating behavior lowered the threshold for provocative.
Speaker 3: And potentially violent acts.
Speaker 2: He said, narratives originally centered on freeing Palestine expanded to
Speaker 2: include incitements to kill the Jews. Threats transitioned from harassment
Speaker 2: and intimidation to specific targeting of Jewish communities, places of worship,
Speaker 2: and prominent figures. In other words, he's saying the hate
Speaker 2: speech was tolerated and that then escalated.
Speaker 3: To violent crime.
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, this should never have been tolerated at the start.
Speaker 5: It shouldn't and it's a damning assessment from somebody who
Speaker 5: knows the space very well. My Burgess is an expert
Speaker 5: at counterterrorism and dealing with the national security threat. He
Speaker 5: would be looking at the entire security and intelligence holdings
Speaker 5: that he's receiving, not just domestically but internationally as well.
Speaker 5: So we should take very seriously what he's saying and
Speaker 5: it should be a light bulb moment for every Australian.
Speaker 5: Every Australian should recognize that this is a problem for them,
Speaker 5: for their kids, for their communities, not just for the
Speaker 5: Jewish community. And I think it's incumbent on every Australian
Speaker 5: to step up and heed the advice of the Director
Speaker 5: General of Security. And it's an abomination if people don't
Speaker 5: know boundaries, and particularly given that we're dealing with people
Speaker 5: who don't adhere to what would be for many the
Speaker 5: vast majority of Australians as a standard of decency, that
Speaker 5: they don't see life through the lens that we do.
Speaker 5: And that's why laws exist to respond and to send
Speaker 5: a very clear message that certain behaviors are acceptable, and
Speaker 5: that hasn't been the case. The law hasn't been enforced
Speaker 5: and there has been no deterrence and therefore people continue
Speaker 5: to march across the red lines and it's not something
Speaker 5: that we should tolerate.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 2: The attacks have not yet plateaued the attacks and the
Speaker 2: Jewish community anti Semitic attacks. And yet we just heard
Speaker 2: the Attorney General of Australia, Mark Drapers claimed that TV
Speaker 2: networks presumably ours and newspapers again presumably news cops are
Speaker 2: covering this issue for ratings or sales.
Speaker 3: What's your reaction to.
Speaker 2: A comment like that When we heard the ASIO Director
Speaker 2: General last night say that this is a grave issue.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's just a further blow to people
Speaker 5: within the Jewish community and decent Australians who support them,
Speaker 5: because I think the government should be speaking with those
Speaker 5: people who have been victims of the attacks, of the
Speaker 5: dosing of the personal abuse, speak to the parents who
Speaker 5: send their children reluctantly to childcare centers now because they're
Speaker 5: worried whether it's a place of safety or not. They're
Speaker 5: worried whether the armed guards at the school can do
Speaker 5: the work that they're required to do if there's an
Speaker 5: attack and none of us, as parents otherwise across society
Speaker 5: have to experience that whatsoever. And if the government suggesting
Speaker 5: that somehow this is an issue that's been politicized or
Speaker 5: emphasized for political gain, I think they're completely removed from
Speaker 5: the reality and the.
Speaker 1: Horror that people are living in.
Speaker 5: It destroys me that we have people in our country
Speaker 5: of Jewish faith or heritage who are living in fear
Speaker 5: and don't recognize this country. We're an inclusive country and
Speaker 5: we've welcomed people from every part of the world and
Speaker 5: it's an incredible part of our fabric and that we
Speaker 5: would treat people like this.
Speaker 1: Is just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: The Bangstown nurses video last week clearly to everyone exposed.
Speaker 2: I suppose what we all knew already that there is
Speaker 2: hatred towards Jews that exists quite strongly in some communities
Speaker 2: and even by people that we've given the gift of
Speaker 2: Australian citizenship too. Do you think the Migration Act should
Speaker 2: be amended so that anti Semitic conduct is grounds to
Speaker 2: refuse a new visa?
Speaker 1: Yes, without question.
Speaker 5: We've announced it, will tighten up the section five they
Speaker 5: want it. I want to send a very clear message
Speaker 5: to people who hate us, hate our country, hate Jewish people,
Speaker 5: hate other segments about society that's under a government that
Speaker 5: I lead, They'll have no place in this country.
Speaker 3: And will refine the makewa.
Speaker 5: We will reformed the migration program. When I was Immigration Minister,
Speaker 5: we deported about six thousand people by keys, people had
Speaker 5: committed sexual assaults against children, people who had committed the
Speaker 5: most tenous offenses. And it sent a message that if
Speaker 5: you are here as a non citizen and you're expecting
Speaker 5: to attack or to commit an offense against an Australian
Speaker 5: citizen without consequence, that that has no place in.
Speaker 1: A civilized society.
Speaker 5: Liked there's no other democracy, there's no other society where
Speaker 5: the rule of law is adhered to that that wouldn't
Speaker 5: be the case and it shouldn't be remarkable that we're
Speaker 5: making that statement. And the Section five oh one provisions,
Speaker 5: the character provisions, can extend to anti submitted conduct, and
Speaker 5: we've announced that it will be retrospective back to the
Speaker 5: seventh of October, so that people know that they will
Speaker 5: be captured by the law for the actions that they're
Speaker 5: committing today, that they've committed over the course of last
Speaker 5: seventeen months.
Speaker 2: Creative Australia or an agency that sits under Tony Burke,
Speaker 2: who's both the Home Affairs Minister and the Multicultural Affairs Minister. Yep,
Speaker 2: I can't find that he's actually ever been to a
Speaker 2: Jewish or Israeli function. I've asked his office on a
Speaker 2: number of occasions, can you name me one Jewish function
Speaker 2: that the Minister has attended since October seven? They claim
Speaker 2: he has, but they can't name one. His agency, Creative Australia,
Speaker 2: just as you know, selected an artist to represent our
Speaker 2: country at an international festival next year. One of his
Speaker 2: artworks was called thank You very Much, a video compilation
Speaker 2: of the September eleven attacks.
Speaker 3: Another one was of.
Speaker 2: The slain, hasbla leader, Hasansraala. You know, these agencies to
Speaker 2: me seem completely broken.
Speaker 3: How do you deal.
Speaker 2: With something like that that is getting millions of dollars
Speaker 2: in government funding.
Speaker 5: We'll shore there are obviously problems deep within the department
Speaker 5: that would approve such a grant and not raise it
Speaker 5: with the Minister as an issue of concern, and as
Speaker 5: suppose to your point, we don't know whether it has
Speaker 5: been raised and whether the government dismissed it and said
Speaker 5: that the funding was acceptable. I think there are reasonable
Speaker 5: questions for the Prime Minister to answer. And if we
Speaker 5: go a little bit further though, my experience in government
Speaker 5: is that if the Minister has the fortitude and the
Speaker 5: leadership capacity to be able to give definite direction to
Speaker 5: the department, the department will follow that leadership and follow
Speaker 5: that direction. It just hasn't happened from the Prime Minister down.
Speaker 3: The bureaucracy is running.
Speaker 5: To Penny Wong, to Tony Burke, Mark Dreyfus and so on,
Speaker 5: and it has resulted in this compounding effect of hatred
Speaker 5: red lines being christ As we say, and to your point,
Speaker 5: in terms of Tony Burke's diary, I mean the reality
Speaker 5: is that Tony Burke is spending today and the rest
Speaker 5: of this week, as I understand it, conducting as many
Speaker 5: citizenship ceremonies as you can, literally putting thousands of people
Speaker 5: through an express citizenship process so that they can vote
Speaker 5: in the election within a few weeks, which I think
Speaker 5: is quite remarkable. And I just question whether there has
Speaker 5: been any slackening of the process, whether there has been
Speaker 5: any compromise on the security checks, and whether it's in
Speaker 5: our country's best interests for people to receive citizenship before
Speaker 5: the proper security checks have been undertaken, or people have
Speaker 5: had within the Home Affairs Department the time to be
Speaker 5: able to conduct the searches that we would expect to
Speaker 5: be conducted.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's an extraordinary allegation. So you do hold serious
Speaker 2: concerns that the Albanezy government is fast tracking citizenship.
Speaker 3: Yes, and for a particular cohort.
Speaker 5: And I mean we'd heard this and the Daily Tellies
Speaker 5: has broken that story today.
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2: All right, still to come Justice Michael Lee calls for
Speaker 2: major overhaul of our education system. Plus Josh Fridenberg's incredible
Speaker 2: speech lamenting the leadership over the past sixteen months.
Speaker 3: That's after this quick break. Welcome back.
Speaker 2: And by the way, if you want to watch Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton's entire interview from today, and I recommend you do so,
Speaker 2: please head to our website skynews dot com dot au.
Speaker 2: All of the speeches from today are up there now.
Speaker 2: One of the most powerful speeches today was from former
Speaker 2: Treasurer Josh Friedenberg. We've had to cut it down for
Speaker 2: time now, but again head on ting to watch it
Speaker 2: in full. But here's some of what Josh had to say.
Speaker 11: At first, our leaders decided to ignore what was happening.
Speaker 1: Then they just hoped it would go away.
Speaker 11: Now, belatedly they are starting to appreciate the depth of
Speaker 11: the problem. But what has happened in the past is
Speaker 11: not as important as what happens right now. It's what
Speaker 11: we do from here, friends. Adversity is our window of opportunity.
Speaker 1: I am pleased we.
Speaker 11: Are starting to see movement at the station, a meeting
Speaker 11: of national Cabinet, a federal police task force that is
Speaker 11: making arrests, minimum mandatory sentences, anti doxing legislation, and at
Speaker 11: a state level, a ban on demonstrations outside places of worship.
Speaker 11: All of which are important, all of which are welcome,
Speaker 11: but the sum of which is not enough.
Speaker 1: You see, these measures are largely.
Speaker 11: Reactive, and what we need is to be more proactive.
Speaker 11: There is no point scooping water.
Speaker 1: Out of a boat that has a leak hoping it
Speaker 1: will not sink.
Speaker 11: You must plug the leak first, otherwise all on board,
Speaker 11: Jew and non Jew will eventually drown.
Speaker 1: And this is my message today. Our country is at
Speaker 1: a pivotal moment.
Speaker 11: That goes well beyond everyday incidents of anti Semitism and hate.
Speaker 11: There is something more sinister, something deeper, that is at play.
Speaker 1: And it should concern.
Speaker 11: Every single decent Australian.
Speaker 1: What we are seeing in.
Speaker 11: Australia and indeed across many countries in the West, is
Speaker 11: best some by journalist Bariweess when she said, when anti
Speaker 11: Semitism goes from the shameful fringe to the public square,
Speaker 11: it's no longer about the Jews, It's about everyone else.
Speaker 11: It's about a culture, it's about a country. It's an
Speaker 11: early warning system, a sign that society is breaking down.
Speaker 1: How else.
Speaker 11: Can you explain other reputable bodies and reputable people seek
Speaker 11: to defend the Bankstown nurses by saying they were simply
Speaker 11: making a joke, Or a vice chancellor at one of
Speaker 11: our leading universities who sought to explain away a student's
Speaker 11: public support for hamas invoking academic freedom, or other university leaders.
Speaker 1: Who seek to defend violent.
Speaker 11: Statements from the river to the sea Palestine will be
Speaker 11: free or globalized into FATA as simply the exercise of
Speaker 11: free speech. Friends, with such moral blindness, it's no wonder
Speaker 11: that our houses of learning have become hotbeds of hate,
Speaker 11: that the anti racists have become racists, and that the
Speaker 11: progressives have become regressives. The disease of intolerance is spreading
Speaker 11: and it's infecting so many across our country, and particularly
Speaker 11: our young. So now is the time to stand up
Speaker 11: and be counted before it is too late. To get
Speaker 11: back to basics and defend what is right over what
Speaker 11: is wrong. To promote and uphold our values of freedom, tolerance,
Speaker 11: diversity and respect for the rule of law. These are
Speaker 11: not labor or liberal values. These are Australia's values and
Speaker 11: they belong to all of us.
Speaker 10: All.
Speaker 2: Right, after the break, we'll hear the insightful words of
Speaker 2: justice Michael Lee. He's caught out the lack of moral
Speaker 2: clarity in our tertiary education, which has fostered the growing
Speaker 2: intolerance on campuses.
Speaker 3: That's after this quick break.
Speaker 2: Well, we're so grateful to everyone who took part in
Speaker 2: our summit today, both live and from home. But from
Speaker 2: the wise words of Justice Michael Lee, we all come
Speaker 2: away from this event facing a great challenge, particularly with
Speaker 2: the moral failings of our university leaders and academics. Here's
Speaker 2: some more from his insightful speech today.
Speaker 6: Is it not an outrage that another leading Australian university
Speaker 6: has set up a high security safe room for Jewish students.
Speaker 6: This room, according to recent reports, is a location that
Speaker 6: has not been disclosed, has security features that can only
Speaker 6: be accessed by students. I assume Jewish students using White card.
Speaker 6: Those students were understandably feeling threatened by, among other things,
Speaker 6: being forced to endure continued demonstrations calling for the destruction
Speaker 6: of Israel and confronting posters depicting standard tropes such as
Speaker 6: Jews as thieves with long noses. I recognize that the
Speaker 6: safe room was apparently requested by the Australasian Union of
Speaker 6: Jewish Students, but the key point is that its establishment
Speaker 6: amounts to a stark admission of failure. The entire university
Speaker 6: should and must be made safe for Jewish students, rather
Speaker 6: than isolating Jewish students. Should not those within university be
Speaker 6: asking themselves the profound question as to how and why
Speaker 6: things have come to this and committing themselves to reform.
Speaker 6: It is a great moral failing at the leadership of
Speaker 6: at least some of our universities that some students, to
Speaker 6: my personal knowledge, are now afraid afraid of being identified
Speaker 6: by their fellow students as being Jewish. It's unsurprising we've
Speaker 6: reached this point when new university students have grown up
Speaker 6: in our current secondary education system. When a dozen or
Speaker 6: so years ago I reviewed what was being taught to
Speaker 6: members of my family at high school, it not only
Speaker 6: struck me as lacking in intellectual rigor, but also reflected
Speaker 6: a want of any sense of pride in our established institutions. Indeed,
Speaker 6: in some respects, particularly in modern history, it encouraged the
Speaker 6: spirit of national masochism. It was the pedagogy of the cynic,
Speaker 6: laden with subjectivity and criticism, and where the difference between
Speaker 6: historical fact and opinion was blurred. The other day I
Speaker 6: came across some interesting facts. Apparently, there are now three
Speaker 6: mandatory curriculum priorities of the Australian National curriculum. First, Aboriginal
Speaker 6: and Torres Strait Islander histories and cultures. Secondly Australia's engagement
Speaker 6: with Asia. Thirdly sustainability, that is, empowering students to contribute
Speaker 6: to a more sustainable future. These priorities are apparently embedded
Speaker 6: throughout the curriculum. But even in promoting these chosen priorities,
Speaker 6: the recent twenty twenty four National Assessment Program results reflects
Speaker 6: a profound lack of knowledge. Remarkably, only twenty eight percent
Speaker 6: of Year ten students met the proficient standard and the
Speaker 6: Civics test. Incidentally, I did the sample test. It was
Speaker 6: not Civics teaching as I understand it, and it was
Speaker 6: fair to say, somewhat undemanding, but it did reflect these
Speaker 6: mandatory cross curriculum priorities. This is not a party political point,
Speaker 6: as I understand that the previous government developed and signed
Speaker 6: off from the current curriculum. Further, the person many would
Speaker 6: contend as the best state education minister in my lifetime,
Speaker 6: and my dear friend Rodney Cavalier was and is a
Speaker 6: man of the political left. Having had the better of
Speaker 6: a rigorous public education, he believed in purposeful, scholarly inquiry,
Speaker 6: a general education which fostered both a sense of history
Speaker 6: and the ability to learn to learn. Things have now changed,
Speaker 6: and this has an importance that transcends contemporary politics. But
Speaker 6: Heaven help a child in twenty twenty five with a
Speaker 6: desire to understand the modern history of this country, the
Speaker 6: achievements of Western civilization, the benefits of the Enlightenment, and
Speaker 6: the virtues and workings of our modern parliamentary democracy sustained
Speaker 6: and underpinned by the rule of law. It is unsurprising
Speaker 6: that a generation almost wholly unfamiliar with these history and
Speaker 6: concepts are open to a skewed narrative that divides the
Speaker 6: world simplistically into oppressors and the oppressed. Ignorance provides a
Speaker 6: fertile soil for an ahistorical and ideologically driven notions of
Speaker 6: so called settler colonialism and moral relativism, which diminishes the
Speaker 6: Western tradition and equates it with societies that place them
Speaker 6: value on individual liberty and religious tolerance.
Speaker 2: The rest is online. I'll see you Monday at eight.
Speaker 2: Here's Paul Murray