1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,040 Sean Aylmer : Welcome to the Fear and Greed Business Interview. I'm Sean 2 00:00:08,250 --> 00:00:12,210 Sean Aylmer : Aylmer. Is the shift to electric vehicles losing momentum? Last 3 00:00:12,210 --> 00:00:16,289 Sean Aylmer : week, Australian EV charging company, Tritium went into administration just 4 00:00:16,289 --> 00:00:19,259 Sean Aylmer : two years after the CEO stood alongside US President Joe 5 00:00:19,260 --> 00:00:22,230 Sean Aylmer : Biden at a press conference promoting the technology as the 6 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:25,739 Sean Aylmer : future of charging. Then in the March quarter, Tesla sales 7 00:00:25,739 --> 00:00:29,758 Sean Aylmer : fell well short of expectations, around 387,000. They were supposed 8 00:00:29,759 --> 00:00:33,089 Sean Aylmer : to deliver about 450, 000. Locally, there was a record number 9 00:00:33,089 --> 00:00:35,580 Sean Aylmer : of EVs sold in March, but the electric share of 10 00:00:35,580 --> 00:00:39,180 Sean Aylmer : the market actually went backwards. At the same time, the 11 00:00:39,180 --> 00:00:42,360 Sean Aylmer : International Energy Agency is forecasting electric car sales to hit 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,958 Sean Aylmer : 17,000,000 this year. That's 3,000, 000 more than last year. 13 00:00:46,260 --> 00:00:48,990 Sean Aylmer : So what is the outlook for electric vehicles right now? 14 00:00:49,019 --> 00:00:51,659 Sean Aylmer : Could we be seeing some of the initial enthusiasm waning 15 00:00:51,809 --> 00:00:55,139 Sean Aylmer : and maybe a longer term shift towards hybrid vehicles instead, 16 00:00:55,380 --> 00:00:59,040 Sean Aylmer : particularly in Australia? Whenever we have a question about cars, 17 00:00:59,070 --> 00:01:02,760 Sean Aylmer : of any variety, we go to Trent Nikolic, the Managing 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,240 Sean Aylmer : Editor of drive. com. au, the absolute guru of all 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,330 Sean Aylmer : things vehicles related. Trent, welcome back to Fear and Greed. 20 00:01:09,690 --> 00:01:11,850 Trent Nikolic: Hello mate. Thank you for the intro and it's a 21 00:01:11,850 --> 00:01:12,660 Trent Nikolic: pleasure to be back. 22 00:01:13,230 --> 00:01:14,970 Sean Aylmer : Now, I know we've got lots of talk about. You've 23 00:01:14,970 --> 00:01:18,211 Sean Aylmer : been driving an EV around Australia. Is that right? How'd it go? 24 00:01:18,210 --> 00:01:21,389 Trent Nikolic: Yeah, it's going slowly, mate. There's been a lot of 25 00:01:21,389 --> 00:01:23,099 Trent Nikolic: sitting on the side of the road waiting for the 26 00:01:23,099 --> 00:01:26,309 Trent Nikolic: vehicle to charge, and one of the reasons we did 27 00:01:26,309 --> 00:01:29,340 Trent Nikolic: it... So we're doing a series of TV episodes for 28 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:30,930 Trent Nikolic: a show that we do on Channel 9, but one 29 00:01:30,930 --> 00:01:32,850 Trent Nikolic: of the reasons that we did it was just to 30 00:01:32,850 --> 00:01:35,610 Trent Nikolic: have a look at some of the issues with charging 31 00:01:35,610 --> 00:01:37,950 Trent Nikolic: in remote and regional areas and have a look at 32 00:01:37,950 --> 00:01:40,830 Trent Nikolic: some of the realities because plenty of people are out 33 00:01:40,830 --> 00:01:44,399 Trent Nikolic: there speaking the virtues of electric cars and talking about 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,439 Trent Nikolic: all of the things that they do well. But you 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,010 Trent Nikolic: find even when you speak to someone who owns an 36 00:01:50,010 --> 00:01:53,220 Trent Nikolic: electric vehicle, they're willing, especially on camera, if we say 37 00:01:53,220 --> 00:01:55,320 Trent Nikolic: we're going to interview them and ask them some questions, 38 00:01:56,010 --> 00:01:58,290 Trent Nikolic: they have this remarkable tendency to tell us all the 39 00:01:58,290 --> 00:02:00,450 Trent Nikolic: amazing and wonderful things. And then when you turn the 40 00:02:00,450 --> 00:02:02,610 Trent Nikolic: camera off, they say, " Oh yeah, but we had a 41 00:02:02,610 --> 00:02:05,489 Trent Nikolic: problem with this," and, "But this charger didn't work," and, " But we got 42 00:02:05,490 --> 00:02:05,880 Trent Nikolic: stuck here." 43 00:02:07,020 --> 00:02:09,510 Sean Aylmer : So is that the main issue, is charging, the fact 44 00:02:09,510 --> 00:02:12,510 Sean Aylmer : that you've got to plan your trip plus the time 45 00:02:12,510 --> 00:02:15,149 Sean Aylmer : to charge? It's not like you can fill it up in five minutes. 46 00:02:15,540 --> 00:02:19,200 Trent Nikolic: No, no. This is the big issue, Sean. Absolutely. Electric 47 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,219 Trent Nikolic: vehicles in isolation are fantastic. They're great things to drive. 48 00:02:23,219 --> 00:02:27,240 Trent Nikolic: They're fast, they're quiet, they're refined, they're comfortable, they've got 49 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,270 Trent Nikolic: really good response in terms of how they react to 50 00:02:30,270 --> 00:02:33,389 Trent Nikolic: you as the driver. They're really enjoyable things to drive. 51 00:02:33,389 --> 00:02:36,630 Trent Nikolic: There's absolutely nothing wrong with the driving experience of an 52 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:39,719 Trent Nikolic: electric vehicle. The two barriers to them in a country 53 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:43,168 Trent Nikolic: like Australia are one, price because they're still too expensive, 54 00:02:43,410 --> 00:02:46,440 Trent Nikolic: especially when you compare them to an equivalent internal combustion 55 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,950 Trent Nikolic: vehicle. And then two, the public charging. It's all well 56 00:02:49,950 --> 00:02:52,559 Trent Nikolic: and good to say that I can charge it overnight 57 00:02:52,559 --> 00:02:54,630 Trent Nikolic: at home or I can charge it during the day 58 00:02:54,630 --> 00:02:59,069 Trent Nikolic: at work if my office or my workplace provides charging 59 00:02:59,070 --> 00:03:00,990 Trent Nikolic: for me, that's fine. If you've got access to that, 60 00:03:01,350 --> 00:03:02,880 Trent Nikolic: no problem at all. But when you're out on the 61 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,570 Trent Nikolic: road and you're relying on public charging infrastructure, we are 62 00:03:06,570 --> 00:03:10,590 Trent Nikolic: absolutely nowhere close to where we need to be, even 63 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:12,299 Trent Nikolic: for the number of electric vehicles that we have on 64 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:15,508 Trent Nikolic: the road in Australia now, let alone what the projections 65 00:03:15,508 --> 00:03:17,909 Trent Nikolic: would forecast that we might have in five or 10 years. 66 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,139 Sean Aylmer : So that brings us to Tritium, which was focusing on 67 00:03:22,139 --> 00:03:26,070 Sean Aylmer : manufacturing these charging stations that it pushed into the US 68 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:29,400 Sean Aylmer : away from Australia. I don't know whether you know much about 69 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,950 Sean Aylmer : the Tritium story, it's kind of what went wrong there? 70 00:03:31,950 --> 00:03:36,090 Sean Aylmer : But I suppose, with the charging, is there a solution 71 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:37,440 Sean Aylmer : yet for that? 72 00:03:38,010 --> 00:03:41,880 Trent Nikolic: Yeah, so on one hand, your patriotic way of looking 73 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,270 Trent Nikolic: at it is to be sad that an Australian company 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,329 Trent Nikolic: or a largely Australian company hasn't worked out and hasn't 75 00:03:48,330 --> 00:03:51,360 Trent Nikolic: succeeded. But on the other hand, I'm just left with 76 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,359 Trent Nikolic: a lot of these charging solutions around the world, thinking 77 00:03:54,359 --> 00:03:57,990 Trent Nikolic: to myself that they were built largely on the premise 78 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,190 Trent Nikolic: of government incentives and injections of money to help them 79 00:04:02,190 --> 00:04:04,560 Trent Nikolic: set up a business that may not have been either 80 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:10,259 Trent Nikolic: A, planned particularly well, or B, profitable in real terms. 81 00:04:10,260 --> 00:04:13,350 Trent Nikolic: Because if you and I go and start up a 82 00:04:13,350 --> 00:04:15,450 Trent Nikolic: restaurant tomorrow with our own money, we're going to do 83 00:04:15,450 --> 00:04:18,300 Trent Nikolic: it very differently to if we started up with 1,000, 000 84 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:20,130 Trent Nikolic: bucks that the government's given us. And we don't really 85 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:23,010 Trent Nikolic: care too much about what five or 10 years down 86 00:04:23,010 --> 00:04:25,320 Trent Nikolic: the road looks like. And I wonder with some of 87 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,049 Trent Nikolic: this infrastructure, and Tritium is probably a good example, it 88 00:04:28,049 --> 00:04:30,149 Trent Nikolic: was just set up in such a way that they 89 00:04:30,150 --> 00:04:32,910 Trent Nikolic: rushed it out, didn't really plan it correctly, and maybe 90 00:04:32,910 --> 00:04:34,650 Trent Nikolic: it was never going to work from the outset. 91 00:04:35,339 --> 00:04:38,399 Sean Aylmer : Are we very close to having a solution where I 92 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,519 Sean Aylmer : can pull into a charging station and fill up even 93 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,430 Sean Aylmer : in 10 minutes rather than two and a half hours? 94 00:04:45,630 --> 00:04:48,630 Trent Nikolic: We're close in terms of the technology being available. If 95 00:04:48,630 --> 00:04:52,860 Trent Nikolic: you can access a 350- kilowatt charger, you can put 96 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,489 Trent Nikolic: some real charge into your battery very quickly. But when 97 00:04:56,490 --> 00:04:58,500 Trent Nikolic: I speak to engineers around the world, one of the 98 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:01,290 Trent Nikolic: barriers to charging them really quickly is heat. And the 99 00:05:01,290 --> 00:05:03,238 Trent Nikolic: more often you do it, the more damage you're doing 100 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,309 Trent Nikolic: to the battery pack. They don't love it. They don't 101 00:05:05,309 --> 00:05:07,890 Trent Nikolic: like being super heated when you do that. So that's 102 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:11,250 Trent Nikolic: an issue as well. But in real terms, are those 350- 103 00:05:11,250 --> 00:05:15,238 Trent Nikolic: kilowatt charges broadly available around Australia? No. Will they be 104 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,660 Trent Nikolic: broadly available anytime soon? I doubt it. And then if 105 00:05:18,660 --> 00:05:22,080 Trent Nikolic: you're talking about 50- kilowatt charges and you've got a 106 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,779 Trent Nikolic: vehicle like the Kia EV9 that we've been driving at 107 00:05:24,779 --> 00:05:26,969 Trent Nikolic: the moment, and this is real basic maths, right? But 108 00:05:26,970 --> 00:05:29,760 Trent Nikolic: if you are driving an EV9 like we are with 109 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,178 Trent Nikolic: a 100 kilowatt- hour battery, if you've got that down 110 00:05:33,178 --> 00:05:36,870 Trent Nikolic: to 50%, you are on that 50- kilowatt charger for 111 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:40,199 Trent Nikolic: an hour minimum. If you're down near 10% or 20%, it's going 112 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:42,570 Trent Nikolic: to be closer to two hours. And for a lot 113 00:05:42,570 --> 00:05:45,359 Trent Nikolic: of people, in a lot of instances, picture mum and 114 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,089 Trent Nikolic: dad and two young kids doing a road trip, do 115 00:05:48,089 --> 00:05:50,609 Trent Nikolic: they want to be stuck on the side of the road in 38- degree 116 00:05:50,610 --> 00:05:52,740 Trent Nikolic: heat with two screaming kids for two hours? I don't think so. 117 00:05:52,740 --> 00:05:54,958 Sean Aylmer : So. Stay with me, Trent. We'll be back in a 118 00:05:54,959 --> 00:06:06,960 Sean Aylmer : minute. I am speaking to Trent Nikolic, Managing Editor of drive. com. 119 00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:12,058 Sean Aylmer : au. Okay. So what is the future for EVs in 120 00:06:12,059 --> 00:06:14,820 Sean Aylmer : Australia, I suppose, rather than going too broad to begin 121 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:17,399 Sean Aylmer : with? In the last couple of days, Tesla's come out, 122 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,109 Sean Aylmer : Elon Musk's come out and said he's going to pull 123 00:06:19,110 --> 00:06:24,089 Sean Aylmer : forward production of cheaper EVs. There's probably still a way 124 00:06:24,089 --> 00:06:26,220 Sean Aylmer : to go and presumably that happens in China and the 125 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:28,979 Sean Aylmer : US first, but do you think it will hit Australia and 126 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,349 Sean Aylmer : is that enough to make a difference or is this 127 00:06:31,349 --> 00:06:32,280 Sean Aylmer : a hybrid country? 128 00:06:32,940 --> 00:06:34,889 Trent Nikolic: Look, at the moment, we're a hybrid country. There's no 129 00:06:34,889 --> 00:06:37,890 Trent Nikolic: doubt about that. I think if Australians had a choice 130 00:06:37,890 --> 00:06:40,560 Trent Nikolic: right now broadly between an electric vehicle and a hybrid, 131 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,409 Trent Nikolic: they'd take a hybrid 10 to one, I would estimate, 132 00:06:43,410 --> 00:06:45,839 Trent Nikolic: because it makes a lot more sense and it's a 133 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,289 Trent Nikolic: lot easier for them to use. I think what Elon 134 00:06:49,290 --> 00:06:54,238 Trent Nikolic: Musk has said about more affordable electric vehicles, absolutely uncategorically 135 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,770 Trent Nikolic: would have to happen if you're going to get more 136 00:06:55,770 --> 00:06:58,229 Trent Nikolic: people to buy them because the biggest barrier at the 137 00:06:58,230 --> 00:07:01,170 Trent Nikolic: moment is price. There's absolutely no doubt about that. So 138 00:07:01,170 --> 00:07:04,979 Trent Nikolic: I think more affordable electric vehicles on sale would make 139 00:07:04,980 --> 00:07:08,910 Trent Nikolic: a difference. However, the really interesting thing to sit back 140 00:07:09,330 --> 00:07:13,020 Trent Nikolic: from the outside and watch is have we reached a 141 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:16,830 Trent Nikolic: point now where the initial take up from people who 142 00:07:16,830 --> 00:07:20,280 Trent Nikolic: were genuinely interested in buying an electric vehicle has started 143 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,340 Trent Nikolic: to tail off a little bit, and now the companies 144 00:07:23,340 --> 00:07:25,649 Trent Nikolic: are facing the hard sell? Now they have to go 145 00:07:25,650 --> 00:07:28,859 Trent Nikolic: out and convince people who don't really want one, who 146 00:07:28,859 --> 00:07:32,040 Trent Nikolic: an electric vehicle won't really work for right now. Do 147 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,710 Trent Nikolic: the manufacturers now have to try to force them to 148 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:36,840 Trent Nikolic: buy an electric vehicle because the people who really want 149 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:37,710 Trent Nikolic: one have already got one? 150 00:07:38,580 --> 00:07:41,580 Sean Aylmer : So in terms of the big sellers now, and these 151 00:07:41,580 --> 00:07:44,910 Sean Aylmer : are the internal combustion, the Ford Rangers, the Toyota Hilux, 152 00:07:44,910 --> 00:07:48,929 Sean Aylmer : et cetera, is there an EV equivalent that's going to 153 00:07:48,930 --> 00:07:51,030 Sean Aylmer : do the job for tradies that needs to be done? 154 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,880 Trent Nikolic: Yeah. See, this is the other great question, right? So 155 00:07:54,090 --> 00:07:57,179 Trent Nikolic: when we say EV equivalent, yes, there is an electric vehicle 156 00:07:57,179 --> 00:07:59,639 Trent Nikolic: that looks like a Ranger or a Hilux. So there's 157 00:07:59,639 --> 00:08:03,479 Trent Nikolic: an LDV, electric dual cab. There is now a company 158 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,950 Trent Nikolic: in Queensland called OZEV that's converting the F- 150 Lightning, 159 00:08:07,950 --> 00:08:11,130 Trent Nikolic: which is a full size F- 150 that's electric. They 160 00:08:11,130 --> 00:08:14,489 Trent Nikolic: look like a regular pickup or a dual cab. But 161 00:08:14,490 --> 00:08:17,070 Trent Nikolic: when we say equivalent, they don't perform anything like them 162 00:08:17,070 --> 00:08:19,859 Trent Nikolic: because if you load them up or put a caravan 163 00:08:19,860 --> 00:08:21,929 Trent Nikolic: behind it or a big trailer, they're going to cut 164 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:24,059 Trent Nikolic: their range in half and you're going to be left 165 00:08:24,059 --> 00:08:28,200 Trent Nikolic: doing 200 kilometres or 150 Ks on a charge, plus 166 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:31,470 Trent Nikolic: you're spending an inordinate amount more money on them to 167 00:08:31,470 --> 00:08:34,049 Trent Nikolic: buy them in the first place. So I think the 168 00:08:34,050 --> 00:08:37,439 Trent Nikolic: real challenge for any manufacturer anywhere in the world is 169 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,998 Trent Nikolic: to come up with, I guess, a believable solution for 170 00:08:42,029 --> 00:08:46,228 Trent Nikolic: tradies and work vehicles because dual cabs, single cabs with 171 00:08:46,230 --> 00:08:50,490 Trent Nikolic: alloy trays, vans, light trucks, they're the real challenge to 172 00:08:50,490 --> 00:08:53,490 Trent Nikolic: make them electric and to make them efficient when they're 173 00:08:53,490 --> 00:08:54,870 Trent Nikolic: electric. That's the real challenge. 174 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,839 Sean Aylmer : Okay. Trent, I've asked you this question a few years 175 00:08:57,839 --> 00:09:01,770 Sean Aylmer : ago because I'm again in the market to buy a car. 176 00:09:03,179 --> 00:09:04,199 Trent Nikolic: I know what you're going to ask me. 177 00:09:04,590 --> 00:09:09,420 Sean Aylmer : Well, to be honest, we actually... Jackie, my partner has a hybrid, a RAV4 178 00:09:09,420 --> 00:09:11,608 Sean Aylmer : Hybrid, which I think is about as good a car 179 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:15,420 Sean Aylmer : as I have ever driven, particularly in that price range. 180 00:09:15,599 --> 00:09:17,429 Sean Aylmer : What are the best hybrids? What are the ones I 181 00:09:17,429 --> 00:09:18,090 Sean Aylmer : should be looking at? 182 00:09:18,809 --> 00:09:21,780 Trent Nikolic: Look, at the moment, and it's really quite interesting that 183 00:09:21,929 --> 00:09:25,050 Trent Nikolic: Toyota really still is setting the standard in terms of 184 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:28,230 Trent Nikolic: how a hybrid works and how you integrate a hybrid 185 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:30,870 Trent Nikolic: into your life. The other one that I'd recommend you 186 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:34,079 Trent Nikolic: and your partner have a look at is the Nissan X- 187 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,780 Trent Nikolic: Trail e- Power. So it's a hybrid, but it's a 188 00:09:36,780 --> 00:09:39,510 Trent Nikolic: little bit different. It's got a small petrol engine that 189 00:09:39,510 --> 00:09:43,620 Trent Nikolic: works as a generator. The generator charges a battery pack, 190 00:09:43,620 --> 00:09:46,230 Trent Nikolic: which then drives electric motors. So the petrol engine never 191 00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:50,309 Trent Nikolic: drives the car, which with your RAV4, it does. So I think 192 00:09:50,309 --> 00:09:52,559 Trent Nikolic: Nissan's e- Power system is a really good one, and 193 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,289 Trent Nikolic: it's a new solution and a new alternative to have 194 00:09:55,290 --> 00:09:58,620 Trent Nikolic: a look at. Hyundai hybrids are tending to be quite 195 00:09:58,620 --> 00:10:02,099 Trent Nikolic: efficient as well, but I still think the Toyota systems 196 00:10:02,099 --> 00:10:03,269 Trent Nikolic: really do set the standard. 197 00:10:03,540 --> 00:10:08,219 Sean Aylmer : Okay. It does sound though that the Nissan is a 198 00:10:08,219 --> 00:10:11,880 Sean Aylmer : little bit more hybrid or a little bit more EV than internal combustion. 199 00:10:11,910 --> 00:10:14,190 Trent Nikolic: Yeah, it's a little bit more of a step towards 200 00:10:14,190 --> 00:10:16,110 Trent Nikolic: an electric vehicle because what you get with that is 201 00:10:16,110 --> 00:10:19,260 Trent Nikolic: you get the sensation and feedback of driving an electric 202 00:10:19,260 --> 00:10:22,500 Trent Nikolic: vehicle without the issues of charging because you just fill 203 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:24,328 Trent Nikolic: up a petrol tank as you would be accustomed to. 204 00:10:24,330 --> 00:10:26,879 Trent Nikolic: So I think it's one that people should have a 205 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,740 Trent Nikolic: look at if they want to make a half step 206 00:10:29,039 --> 00:10:31,770 Trent Nikolic: towards an electric vehicle. And I certainly think if you 207 00:10:31,770 --> 00:10:33,630 Trent Nikolic: live in the city, if you never do long road 208 00:10:33,630 --> 00:10:36,179 Trent Nikolic: trips, if you don't tow anything or if you're a two- 209 00:10:36,179 --> 00:10:38,700 Trent Nikolic: car family, I certainly think you could consider an electric 210 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:40,830 Trent Nikolic: vehicle. There's no doubt about that. But I think for 211 00:10:40,830 --> 00:10:43,530 Trent Nikolic: a lot of Australians, they're just not practical yet. 212 00:10:43,980 --> 00:10:45,720 Sean Aylmer : Trent, thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. 213 00:10:46,049 --> 00:10:47,159 Trent Nikolic: My pleasure, mate. Thank you. 214 00:10:47,549 --> 00:10:50,819 Sean Aylmer : That was Trent Nikolic, Managing Editor of drive. com. au, 215 00:10:52,050 --> 00:10:54,210 Sean Aylmer : and keep an eye out for that show on Nine 216 00:10:54,210 --> 00:10:58,019 Sean Aylmer : Network. 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