WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 12 March 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:07.000 Welcome late base Loo. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.320 Good evening. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:12.640 Coming up tonight a new sport to be launched in 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.760 Melbourne where people compete to see who's the best at 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.200 doing nothing. I'm sure you could probably think of a 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.800 politician in your area who might do very well in 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:21.560 that competition. 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:26.520 We finally found one that Caleb's grew it at. 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.960 In this sport. Lose please what you think I do? 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:29.680 Xactly? 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.639 Oh mudy to the slander on this show already. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:35.640 We'll get to that a little later. Plus when we 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.360 look at what's making news tomorrow. Revelations in Tomorrow's Career 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.760 Mail that the man responsible for Queensland disaster recovery went 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:48.000 on holiday just as Cyclone Elfred was approaching the coast, 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.960 and The Australian's got a news story reporting that Donald 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.400 Trump refused to take phone calls from Anthony Albanezi before 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.639 imposing tariff's on Australian Steel and Alia Mignon. We'll get 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:59.760 to all of that when we look at tomorrow's papers. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.640 But first, billionaire Clive Palmer has been taking out newspaper 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.480 ads across the country. Let me show you one of 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.960 the ads he's been taking out. It reads simply, there 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:16.080 are only two genders, male and female. Uh huh, well no, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.959 not quite Q outrage. Apparently you're not allowed to say 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.880 that in this country anymore, not even as a paid 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.679 advertisement in a newspaper. Publishers of the Newcastle Herald have 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:31.040 issued an apology for printing the ad and have promised 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.560 to remove it from all of their digital platforms. The 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.240 managing director of Australian Community Media, Tony Kendall, that's the 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:43.040 organization that publishes the Newcastle Herald, said we support freedom 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.640 of speech and the diversity of views. But there's the hint, 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.480 Liz the but but on this occasion we let our 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:55.120 readers and our staff down, which begs the question how 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.880 exactly did you let your readers down by allowing a 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.600 basic biological truth to be printed in your newspaper. It 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.760 begs the question what should the advertisement have said? Should 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.400 it have said there are three genders or seventy two genders? 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.040 Maybe the Newcastle Herald would enlighten us as to how 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:18.400 many genders it's permissible to postulate. He said further that 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:22.239 the advertisement saying there are only two genders didn't meet 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:27.079 the Newcastle Herald's values, which begs the question what are 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:31.000 the Newcastle Herald's values? We already know they don't value 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.120 freedom of speech and diversity of views, because the moment 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.320 you trash those things, they are no longer values. By definition, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.200 values are things you stick with, but if you can 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.639 ditch them for convenience, there's certainly something other than convictions 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.640 or values. We also know they don't seem to value 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.520 truth in reporting, because no matter how someone identifies or 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:57.639 how they feel, the fact is there are only two genders, 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.760 male and females. So for the Newcastle Herald to say, sh, 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.200 we don't want our readers to know that there are 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.160 only two genders makes you wonder what else are they 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.200 hiding from you in their news reporting. But it wasn't 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.280 just the Newcastle Herald. Journalists at the Age newspaper in 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:16.480 Melbourne wrote a letter complaining to management about the newspaper 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:21.519 running these advertisements, saying that it wasn't right now. Of course, 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.360 they're obviously been pressured by a group and upsteps to 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:30.480 the plate. The Transgender Victoria Organization, a lobbying group for transpeople, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:37.120 chief executive Son Vivian said trumpet of patriots. That's Clive 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:41.840 Palmer's political organization should retract this campaign and apologize or 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:47.200 acknowledge they will have our blood on their hands. That's 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:51.120 a pretty serious thing to say, and with respect. It 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.920 seems to be implying that transgendered people are so mentally 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.120 fragile that even the suggestion that you know what, no 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.920 matter how you identify, there really are only to genders 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.720 is so shocking to them that they would be driven 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.800 to potentially self harm. If that's true, then these are 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:12.640 people who need serious help rather than simply having newspapers 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.160 ban Clive Palmer advertisements. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.520 Kaleb well I thought the vast majority of transgender people 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.479 were either men who wanted to be women or women 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.200 who wanted to be men. So most transgender people are 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.760 operating in the same barner as the rest of us anyway, right, 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.960 And this is the typical thing they do to try 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.640 and shut down debate, to say, well, if you talk 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.920 about this issue, you will cause harm to us, and 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.000 therefore it is not up for debate whatsoever. We had 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.880 the same thing, of course, during the same sex marriage pleversite, 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.240 where we were told that having a vote on whether 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.240 the same sex marriage should happen in this country, would 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.400 be deleterious to gay people and they would self harm, 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.240 et cetera, et cetera, by which they mean, we can't 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.520 talk about these issues. And once you say we can't 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.200 talk about and well, I guess we can do whatever 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.200 we want. That's ultimately what they're getting at. It is 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.840 frankly pathetic to come out after you've published the ad. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.200 So you've taken Clive Palmer's money, so yep, yep, Well 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:09.920 we'll take your dollars to put the ad on the 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.800 front page of the paper. That's gone through the sales department. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.560 It's certainly gone through the editor of the Newcastle Herald 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.640 and every other newspaper that has published this. I've worked 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.760 in that side of newspapers as a chief of staff. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.880 The front page is looked at in its entirety by 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.920 the chief of staff every day. It's looked at in 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.240 its entirety by the editor every day. They know exactly 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.040 what is going on the front page of the paper. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.520 And obviously, at no point was an issue raised internally 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.960 about any of this. No one thought there was a problem. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.320 And then all of a sudden, the staff and a 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.159 few other people crack it over this and say, oh, well, no, sorry, sorry, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.839 we believe in free speech. But I mean if you 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.479 say I believe in free speech, but it generally means 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.919 you don't believe in free speech. Here we are in 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.520 twenty twenty five, where someone cannot spend their own money 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:00.880 to print an obvious fans on the front of a 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.320 newspaper without getting in trouble. Stop the bus, I want 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.560 to get off. We have hit the point of no return, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:06.960 haven't we. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.440 And here at Sky we play an ad of suwellin 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.920 saying there's only two genders. So we'd like to say 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:19.600 to everyone, we're not sorry whatsoever. Can you imagine just 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.800 ten years ago telling people that in ten years time 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:29.680 you will have major media outlets like The Age apologizing 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:35.440 for publishing what is known as a biological fact, just 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:40.120 a pure biological fact, And here we have them pandering 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:44.560 too a tiny minority. I'm sure many in the LGBTQ 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:48.360 community actually couldn't care less, but it's always the tiny 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:53.000 minority amongst them that says, no, this gives us hurty feelings. 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:58.799 And these guys capitulate, like I always say, every capitulation 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.080 to the left embolden z it, which is why you 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.760 must never apologize. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.040 When you're not in the wrong. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.200 And neither the Newcastle Herald nor the Age is in 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:14.320 the wrong. They were supporting diversity of views, they were 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.200 supporting freedom of speech. The only apology that's owed now, 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.280 since we're doing apologies, let's start stacking them, is to 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.240 Clive Palmer and the trumpets of patriots, because you have 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.840 quashed their views and their freedom of speech. But tell 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:36.560 you what, this just gives more media attention to Clive's 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.200 new party. Well it's a rebrand really, which can only 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.560 be a good thing because all publicity is good publicity 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:44.239 in this game. 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.720 Indeed, I think Justin Timberlake probably said it best when 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:59.600 it comes to these matters. Yes, Timberland, Sorry, I mean 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.040 you can kind of tell, can't you, that my vein 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.960 of music is not along these lines. You know. I 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.640 sort of drive home to the strains of Classic FM 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.560 that they don't call it Classic FM, or they call 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.240 it ABC Classic. And I'm sure if you listen to 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.880 Classic FM anytime, you'll know they're constantly going on about 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.960 the Aboriginal land that this was all done on. I 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.720 know they don't run ads on the ABC, but they'd 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.440 be apologizing too if they'd run such a thing. While 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.720 we're talking about matters of workness, let's talk about Disney now. 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.920 We told you last month about how they were the 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.280 latest big business to say that we're going to undo 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.760 most of their DEI policies. It's amazing what Trump has 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.400 been able to do since he became president. But there 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.080 are some things that you can't undo, like multimillion dollar 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.439 movies that you have already commissioned. But they've sniffed the 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.520 wind and realize there is a problem here. Now next 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.880 week there is a new version of snow White coming out, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.959 and unlike most Disney films, it won't be an animated one. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.960 It's actually got actors and actresses in it. Can I 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.920 say actors and actresses anymore? That would be to deny 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.520 there are many other genders. I suppose let's just call 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.800 them people who act. Maybe. Anyway, They've got this new 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.880 snow White film coming out and there are a few 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.760 problems with it. Let's start with the fact that originally 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.920 in Snow White, there is a reason that snow White 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.160 is called snow White. It's because her mother, the Queen, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.560 says that she wishes that she had a daughter whose 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.720 skin was white as snow, lips as red as blood, 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.240 and her hair as black as ebonine. Of course, later 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.920 in the story, her wicked stepmother, the New Queen, says, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:32.720 you know, miror Mirror on the wall, who is the 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.280 fairest one of all? At age seven, snow White becomes 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.959 the fairest of all. She is white as white as white. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:41.960 So this is where we ran into our first problem, 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.760 because this is the girl playing Snow White. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.719 I mean, you know, the original cartoon came out in 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:54.040 nineteen thirty seven and very evidently, so there is a 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:57.800 big focus on her love story with a guy who 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:58.800 literally stalks her. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:00.320 Weird. 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:06.000 Weird Rachel Zegler clearly is not the fairest of them all. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:10.040 She is Hispanic, she has Colombian heritage. They've also decided 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.400 that we can't have the seven Dwarves anymore. Instead they 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.560 have seven people of varying heights and ethnicities and god 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.440 knows what else sexualities, et cetera, because you know, we've 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.960 got to be all inclusive now. So knowing that there's 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.200 a bit of trouble here and it's not really the 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.960 snow White that anyone remembers, Disney has now decided that 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.640 instead of the full court press red carpet premiere that 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.720 they would give to a film, they're going to have 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.800 a watered down version. It's going to be very quiet event. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.480 Only select media will be able to attend. Instead of 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.240 the stars of the film walking down the red carpet 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.760 to the premiere, talking to all the members of the 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.240 press and having their photo taken, there's only going to 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.920 be about four reporters there because they know no one 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.960 wants it. Isn't it rather unfortunate that all this money 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.440 they've spent, you know, all the diverse boxes have been ticked. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.480 They've realized that people don't actually want to watch a 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.880 Disney film to see snow White, who's actually a Hispanic 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.319 woman who basically, you know, cans the idea of snow 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.920 White in the first place. Oh, you know, Prince Charming, 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.800 how dare he be involved it? The whole thing is 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.000 a joke. And the best bit is that they know it. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.920 They actually know it. That is why they're not having 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.680 a full on red carpet. Finally they've realized what's going on. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.800 Disney are about to run full speed into the New America. 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.280 This will be the first time that a movie studio 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.760 has launched a movie hoping nobody notices if only they 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.199 could lock snow White in the castle. This, I mean 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.720 not be the fairest premiere of them all. The first 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.720 trailer to be released on YouTube clocked up one point 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.200 four million dislikes and the second trailer that was released 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.679 clocked up nine hundred thousand dislikes. That's before the movie 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.800 hits the cinemas. And it wasn't just the fact that 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.240 the movie itself, as you said, Caleb has got all 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:01.680 these woke elements, but Rachel's Zeggler, who plays snow White, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.560 she decided to insult most of the audience who would 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:09.520 go and see this. Speaking of Trump supporters, she described 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.800 them as a deep sickness that has infected the country. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.840 So when you've got an actress who's insulting the audience 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:20.440 combined with a woke movie, you can almost be guaranteed 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.000 that this is going to disappear at the box office. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.840 And Disney having such a low key premiere just rinks 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.400 of embarrassment. They're embarrassed to be putting this movie out 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:31.960 in the current environment. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.600 And it's the shareholders who have been pushing for them 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:40.440 to ditch this DEI nonsense. So we did report last 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.720 month that they'd ditch two of their DEI programs because 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.400 gues what DEI does nothing for the bottom line. In 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:53.160 the last quarter of last year alone, Disney's streaming platform 0:12:53.280 --> 0:13:00.000 lost over seven hundred thousand subscribers. That's just in three months. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.240 That's how badly these guys have been noseediving. As of 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:09.720 March last year, over the previous two years, Didney Disney 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:14.120 had lost over one hundred billion in market caps. So 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.160 these guys have been in free fall for years now. 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:22.720 They know DEI doesn't pay. The shareholders have been screaming 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.319 about it for quite some time, and they're finally getting 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.000 some traction. But just to remind you of how deeply 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:35.880 embedded and accepted this kind of pushing LGBTIQ agenda, pushing 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:40.520 DEI agenda to your kids through the screen, how acceptable 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.240 that was at Disney. Check out this clip from twenty 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:50.600 twenty two of executive producer LaToya Revenue, executive producer at 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.000 one of the Disney shows, telling you how hard she 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:59.440 was going pushing queerness and other gender theories onto your kids. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.959 The showrunners were super welcoming Meredith Roberts, and like our 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:09.600 leadership over there has been so welcoming to like my 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.840 like not at all secret gay agenda, and so like 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.839 I feel like I felt like it was I mean, 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.160 like maybe it was that way in the past, but 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.680 I guess like something must have happened in the last 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.920 like like they're turning and around, they're going hard and 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.200 then all that like momentum that I felt like that 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.800 sense of I don't have to be afraid to like, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.120 let's have these two characters kiss. 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:34.120 Let's in the background. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.800 Like I was just wherever I could, just basically adding 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.720 queerness to like the if you see anything clear in 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.360 the show around them. But like I just was like 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:44.680 no one would stop me. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.680 And they're loud and proud about it. You'll notice that 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:53.160 reimagined tomorrow, little insignia in the corner there. That's one 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.680 of the DEI programs that as of last month, Disney 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:01.160 announced that they'd be ditching because they can't muzzle their 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:05.800 stakeholders any longer. The shareholders are saying, we're not getting 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.200 return on investment right now. You guys have to turn 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:08.880 the ship around. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.520 And who's watching, you know, the basic and generally wholesome 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.520 entertainment of Disney to get that kind of message. It's 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.920 not what the consumer wants, which goes to the point 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.040 that's why they've been hemorrhaging money. Rachel Zegler says that 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.440 the reason snow White is called snow white in this 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.800 version of the film because of course she is not 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.120 white as snow is because she and her family go 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.360 through a snow storm and survive the snow storm, and 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.080 so it's a mark of her resilience. That's why she's 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.960 called snow white. I mean, they're just completely rewriting the 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.640 whole point of why snow White is snow white to 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.840 make it somehow PC in twenty twenty five. There's nothing 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.040 wrong with the basis of snow White. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.120 I got to say, my kids have got Disney Channel, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.200 and when you see what Disney have done the Star Wars, 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.080 is any surprise what they're doing the Snow White. I mean, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.840 the writing was always on the walls. They have destroyed 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:00.960 the Star Wars Frederick. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.800 Indeed, and as little wonder, critics of this film that 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.000 they haven't even seen yet are calling it off white 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.320 and the seven pronounds to the UK now where this 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:17.160 government is not letting up on its relentless campaign to 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.960 censor speech. It's just unbelievable. Every week we bring you 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:26.240 some absolutely unhinden story from the UK of the latest 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:30.240 person who's been arrested on some trumped up charge. Well, 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.680 now the Parliament's decided that what they need is a 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.640 review of the definition of Islamophobia. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.400 They've already been told. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:43.920 That their current definition is far too broad. But Angela Rayner, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:48.400 the Deputy PM, has put together a working group to 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:53.960 one hopes not broaden it even further, although that's exactly 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.080 what Brits are bracing for. 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:56.720 She says. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.560 This group will advise the government on how to best 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:04.840 understand and quantify and define prejudice, discrimination and hate crimes 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:09.480 against Muslims. Alongside drawing on their own expertise, members will 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.240 engage widely to ensure the definition accounts for the variety 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:20.240 of backgrounds and experiences of Muslim communities across the United Kingdom. Now, 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.760 in two thousand and eight, the common law offenses of 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:30.080 blasphemy and libel were abandoned in the UK, so a 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.399 lot of people paying attention right now are saying, excuse me, 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:38.640 are you bringing that back? These essentially a warm up 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:43.639 to some sort of blasphemy laws, particularly with regard to 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.960 the religion of Islam. But they say, no, we've had 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:53.439 unprecedented levels of Islamophobic this and that, and this is 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:58.800 how we're addressing it. And to the British MPs and 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.480 those across the bord with a lot of sway in 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.479 the UK, I say to you, do you think maybe 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:11.160 rubbing it in people's faces is not helping your cause? 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.719 Just weeks ago we saw the first if Ta dinner 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:21.000 hosted at not only Westminster Hall by the Prime Minister 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:25.639 but also for the first time in Windsor Castle, with 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.400 a lot of Britons then saying, excuse me, our King 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.560 is supposed to be the defender of the faith, the 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.760 Supreme Governor of the Church of England. What are you 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:43.360 doing inviting three hundred and sixty Muslims into Windsor Castle 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.359 to host them for their ifta dinner? And of course 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:51.040 both these dinners also saw the heralding of a call 0:18:51.160 --> 0:19:13.240 to prayer for the Islamic faith. Ankhm, you know, imagine 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:17.760 being a brit seeing the Islamic call to prayer echo 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:24.680 through these bastions of British history, centuries of British culture. 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:29.360 It is just unbelievable to me that they then want 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.880 to claim, oh, we've got to do all this work 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:38.240 to combat supposed Islamophobia in the UK when you've got 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:43.400 leaders who aren't helping, you don't force people to accept 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:48.280 something or like something by as leaders of the country 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.640 seemingly just saying oh, well, well, I'm accepting it, so 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.000 you have to accept it. 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.160 We have to celebrate it, we have. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:00.800 To This is exactly what actually gets people's backs up backfires. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.800 The problem is they want to outlaw Islamophobia, but they 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.960 don't know what Islamophobia is, so they want to outlaw 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:12.720 something that they are still trying to define. The previous 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:16.640 definition that they're now refining was back in twenty eighteen 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.240 the Labor government defined Islamophobia as thus, get out of 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.040 this Islamophobia is rooted in racism. I'd stop there for 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.440 a second and say, Islamophobia has got nothing to do 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.440 with racism. Islam is a religion. It's not an ethnicity. 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:34.680 You've got followers of Islam in Australia, Indonesia, in Africa, 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.160 in the Middle East. It's not a race. And that's 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.680 one of the big problems in trying to deal with 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:45.159 conversations about Islam. You get accused of racism when talking 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:49.040 about a religion. It goes on to say, Islamophobia is 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.960 rooted in racism, and this is a type of racism 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.560 that targets expressions of Muslimness. So now you've got to 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:59.240 define what is muslimness. So the whole thing is fuzzy. 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:06.680 Here's the You shouldn't be able to discriminate or be 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.000 untoward towards Muslims because Muslims are people, right, So you 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.760 can't discriminate against people. But Islam is not people. Islam 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.359 is an idea. It's a religion. It's a set of 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.560 ideas about the meaning of life, and you must be 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:24.560 free to critique, criticize, and if you want ridicule ideas, 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:29.359 particularly ideas that try to prescribe the meaning and purpose 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.000 of life. It doesn't matter whether it's the Christian religion, 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.280 whether it's the Hindu religion, whether it's the Islamic faith. 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.159 All of those ideas should be up for debate, and 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:43.760 the debate should be vigorous and as willing as you wish. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:47.000 The other problem here, of course, is that Islamists want 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.720 to islamize society, and therefore you've got to be able 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:55.879 to talk about which parts of Islam you are happy with, 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.560 which parts of Islam you don't like, which parts of Islam. 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.119 If you say that you're afraid of those things, you 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.560 ought to be able to say it, because if a 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:08.040 group of people are trying to islamize society but you 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.560 are banned from saying anything about it, well, I mean, 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.160 that's not fair on anybody, and the same would apply 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:18.679 to every other faith, charity for people. But clarity around 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:20.040 ideas well, how much. 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.639 Of the doctrine of Islam is inherent to muslimness, how 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.120 much of what is written in the Qur'an is inherent 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.200 to muslimness, if that's the definition that they're using at 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.160 the moment. And this is the absurdity of the way 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.479 in which people talk about Islamophobia, because often, and this 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.560 is what we've heard, of course, since October the seventh, 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.200 you talk about anti Semitism and in the same breath 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.640 people talk about Islamophobia. But they're very different things because 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:48.480 of because anti Semitism refers to an ethno religious problem, 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:51.199 not just the religion itself, whereas, of course there is 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.960 no one who is ethnically Muslim, you are just an 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.639 adherent to the religion or not. But it's so obvious 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.480 what is happening here. There is no need to fine 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:06.200 Islamophobia because Reina herself said, define prejudice, discrimination and hate 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.760 crimes against Muslims. Well, they're the definitions already. There were 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:14.560 readily available definitions for prejudice, discrimination and hate crimes. They 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:18.119 can apply to anyone, not just Muslims, not just Christians, 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:22.680 not just Jews, everyone. We have definitions for those acts already. 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.160 There doesn't have to be a specific term for Muslims, 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.880 which is of course Islamophobia. But the UK six point 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.439 five percent of their population is Muslim now as a 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:37.520 proportion of their population, that is more than double what 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.520 we have in Australia. It is the second largest religion 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.280 in the UK, as it is the second largest religion 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:47.400 in Australia. But it exists in far larger proportions twice 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:49.919 as much in the UK as it does here. And 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:53.840 in London fifteen percent of the population is Muslim. It's 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:55.960 the same as was it last week or the week 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.720 before when we were talking about at the start of Ramadan, 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:02.000 where King Charles and Queen Camilla were packing up dates 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.040