Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Shari.
Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the program. Caleb Bond filling
Speaker 3: in for Shari Markson tonight, the pro Palestinian protest debarkle
Speaker 3: takes a new turn, with police withdrawing the court application
Speaker 3: to cancel the rally or on that in a moment.
Speaker 3: Also tonight, the biggest pre election blunder that could further
Speaker 3: damage the Queensland Labor Party. I'll show you what happened
Speaker 3: a little later. Plus the internal polling Stephen Miles doesn't
Speaker 3: want you to see and has origin energy burst, Chris
Speaker 3: Bowen's Green Dream bubble. Well, the carry on with these
Speaker 3: disgusting October seven protests, these plans to celebrate terrorism on
Speaker 3: the anniversary of the Hamas attack on Israel. Well it
Speaker 3: continued today and there were a few interesting developments. The
Speaker 3: first was that the New South Wales Police withdrew their
Speaker 3: action in the Supreme Court to stop rallies in Sydney
Speaker 3: on the sixth and seventh because the organizers, the Palestine
Speaker 3: Action Group, agreed to change the route so it wouldn't
Speaker 3: go past the Great Synagogue.
Speaker 4: Big deal.
Speaker 3: I maintain, as I said last night, that I will
Speaker 3: defend your right to protest if you do it within
Speaker 3: the bounds of decency, no matter how much I might
Speaker 3: disagree with you. But what we are talking about here
Speaker 3: is not legitimate protest. It is the glorification and support
Speaker 3: of terrorism, which is potentially dangerous and could incite violence.
Speaker 3: They will now have a protest on the sixth, but
Speaker 3: they've withdrawn their rally on the seventh. I'll get to
Speaker 3: that in a moment. It is a joke that the
Speaker 3: police pulled out of it. We have a serious problem
Speaker 3: if you can walk around the streets of our capital
Speaker 3: cities supporting terror attacks. But the other thing we learned
Speaker 3: was that the organizers of the Sydney protest are a
Speaker 3: pack of gutlers squibs now. As I told you last night,
Speaker 3: Their spokesman Josh Lise said that even if we were
Speaker 3: to lose that case, we would go ahead with our
Speaker 3: protest on the sixth. As for their rally on the seventh,
Speaker 3: which they called vigil, he said this, it's outrageous that
Speaker 3: the authorities would attempt to ban people's right to grieve
Speaker 3: for their loved ones and family members who've been killed,
Speaker 3: forty two thousand of them in Gaza, nearly two thousand
Speaker 3: in Lebanon, except that they rocked up to court today
Speaker 3: and agreed to scrap their rally on October seven, presumably
Speaker 3: in the hopes it would convince the police and the
Speaker 3: court to let them have their protest on the sixth,
Speaker 3: and maybe that was part of what helped get them
Speaker 3: over the line in the end. I mean talk about
Speaker 3: week as piss. Yesterday it was an outrage that the
Speaker 3: police were quote unquote attempting to ban people's right to grieve.
Speaker 3: But today you were happy to sell those supposedly grieving
Speaker 3: people up the creek so you could hold a protest
Speaker 3: the day before. It proves my point again this isn't
Speaker 3: about showing any genuine grievance against the war.
Speaker 4: It's not about concern over the loss of Seville life.
Speaker 3: You can protest any other time of the year and
Speaker 3: they have been. The demonstrations this weekend are about supporting terrorism.
Speaker 3: It is signaling that they support the terror attack by
Speaker 3: Hamas on Israel, more than a thousand people killed in
Speaker 3: a day on October seven last year. They didn't withdraw
Speaker 3: their October seven event because they realized it was insensitive
Speaker 3: to hold a rally on the anniversary of a terror attack.
Speaker 3: They withdrew it because they want to hold a rally
Speaker 3: supporting the October seven attacks, and if they have to
Speaker 3: do it on the sixth, then so be it. They're
Speaker 3: still going to hold a standing event on the seventh, though,
Speaker 3: which they call a vigil, just not a moving rally,
Speaker 3: which means it doesn't need police approval.
Speaker 4: But we know they.
Speaker 3: Won't be commemorating the lies of the live sorry of
Speaker 3: the Jews and Israelis, the people who actually lost their
Speaker 3: lives in a terror attack.
Speaker 4: On that day.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, in Melbourne, the president of the Islamic Council of Victoria,
Speaker 3: Adel Salman, told The Herald's son that pro Palestine events
Speaker 3: on October seven were quote unquote needed.
Speaker 4: He said, holding a vigil.
Speaker 3: On October the seventh for the more than forty thousand
Speaker 3: lives lost in Israel's genocidal war on Gaza is needed
Speaker 3: for the community to come together to share its deep
Speaker 3: grief and anguish and to remember and honor the victims.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: October seventh is a day to share deep grief and
Speaker 3: anguish over the one thousand, one hundred and thirty nine
Speaker 3: people killed on that day in Israel again. You are
Speaker 3: allowed to hold events commemorating the civilian lives lost in Gaza.
Speaker 3: You're allowed to hold protests against Israel, but for Heaven's sake,
Speaker 3: there is no reason to do it on October the
Speaker 3: seventh unless you support Hamasa's terror attack and you're trying
Speaker 3: to rile up I suppose the friends and family of
Speaker 3: the victims of that terror.
Speaker 4: But I guess it's no surprise.
Speaker 3: Because this Grubb has previously refused to condemn Hamas for
Speaker 3: October seven. And for what it's worth, Daniel Andrews said
Speaker 3: today that to protest on October seven is shameful and disgusting.
Speaker 3: Even Daniel Andrews can see straight through it. And in Adelaide,
Speaker 3: where I am tonight, there'll be a rally on the
Speaker 3: steps of Parliament House on October seven. Now, protests at
Speaker 3: Parliament House need approval and they got it Independent South
Speaker 3: Australian Upper House in p Frank Pangalo will join me
Speaker 3: to talk about that soon. But again, anyone who rocks
Speaker 3: up to a pro Palestinian protest this weekend is not
Speaker 3: there out of genuine concern about the war. They are
Speaker 3: there because they support terrorism and every single one of
Speaker 3: them ought to be put on a watch list. New
Speaker 3: South Wales Police Commissioner Karen web is in trouble again
Speaker 3: because The Daily Telegraph got hold of emails suggesting she
Speaker 3: knew about the ordering fifty bottles of gin on the
Speaker 3: taxpayer dime from her friend's business, despite previously denying she
Speaker 3: had any knowledge of the order. Now, when all of
Speaker 3: this started and there was a big fuss over the
Speaker 3: fact she was giving bottles of gin to dignitaries as gifts,
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
Speaker 3: Giving official gifts of alcohol is common in both the
Speaker 3: public and private sector. I have no particular problem with that.
Speaker 3: But this story has changed significantly. The Commissioner told two
Speaker 3: GB's Chris O'Keefe that the gin was used as gifts
Speaker 3: for foreign dignitaries, as.
Speaker 5: I said, dignitares. We had an international delegation mid last
Speaker 5: year that a dozen went to, and other international guests etc.
Speaker 5: The Minister has said in Parliament today that she received
Speaker 5: one and then there's been others for corporate etiquette where
Speaker 5: there's been in exchange of gifts.
Speaker 3: Note she said corporate exchange of gifts at the end
Speaker 3: well on the list of people who received a bottle
Speaker 3: is Alan Joyce when he was running Quantus. He's listed
Speaker 3: as a dignitary on what grounds, I'm not sure. There's
Speaker 3: also another name from Quantus listed as Luke Blanche. Will
Speaker 3: ben Forden revealed on two GB this morning that there
Speaker 3: is no one at Quantus named Luke Blanche. Also listed
Speaker 3: were Michael Henderson and a Guarter Kenna from DEECPR. Now
Speaker 3: mister Henderson has done work for a McLaren dealership where
Speaker 3: the commissioner's husband was dealer principal, and she was photographed
Speaker 3: next to Ms Kenna at a Women's Day event at
Speaker 3: a Maserati dealership where her husband worked. She said today
Speaker 3: that she engaged DECPR for media advice before she became
Speaker 3: police commissioner. I mean I would have thought that the
Speaker 3: payment they were given for their work would be thanks enough,
Speaker 3: and if she wanted to give them something else, thank
Speaker 3: them for going above and beyond, she could have done
Speaker 3: so out of her own pocket. I mean, Sky News
Speaker 3: doesn't pay me for any gift, so I give my
Speaker 3: producers at Christmas time. I pay for them because it's
Speaker 3: a gift from me, a show of my personal gratitude.
Speaker 3: Not that of the company. But the biggest problem is
Speaker 3: that she said that she had only found out about
Speaker 3: the ordering of the gin after the fact.
Speaker 6: Just reading the lacc's findings here it says that Commissioner
Speaker 6: web should have disclosed her association with the supplier of
Speaker 6: the Commissioner's gin.
Speaker 4: What does it mean, Well, it means that.
Speaker 5: Well what it means, well, it's difficult to talk about
Speaker 5: because there is a non publication order. So the statement
Speaker 5: that the Lecker put out is all I can say
Speaker 5: about it. But if you read that sentence in full,
Speaker 5: it means that I became aware after that I knew
Speaker 5: the supplier, and you know I should have said so.
Speaker 5: But certainly I didn't organize a purchase, and so I
Speaker 5: became aware after.
Speaker 3: Except that emails obtained by The Daily Telegraph suggests that
Speaker 3: the Commissioner had instructed staff to buy jin from Hope Estate,
Speaker 3: which is owned by her friend. One of her staff
Speaker 3: emailed Hope Estate in October twenty twenty two to say
Speaker 3: that the Commissioner wanted the blue labeled gin. Subsequent internal
Speaker 3: emails show that a police employee questioned to Webb's then
Speaker 3: chief of staff, Christine McDonald, how the media would respond
Speaker 3: if it found out that the police force was buying
Speaker 3: gin and advised against the purchase. McDonald then replied that
Speaker 3: she'd discuss it with the commissioner. But Web maintained today
Speaker 3: that she had no knowledge of the fact that gin
Speaker 3: had come from her friend's distillery until after it had
Speaker 3: been ordered, So she was certainly involved in the purchase
Speaker 3: at some point. But you heard Webs say before that
Speaker 3: she didn't organize the purchase. Something isn't right here. You
Speaker 3: can't have this kind of thing hanging over your head
Speaker 3: as a police commissioner. This is the same woman, by
Speaker 3: the way, who said she hadn't watched and wouldn't watch
Speaker 3: the bodycam footage of one of her officers tasering a
Speaker 3: ninety five year old dementia patient, clear Nowland, who then
Speaker 3: died after she walked towards him slowly on a walking
Speaker 3: frame holding a stake knife. She said, I've heard what
Speaker 3: is in the body worn and I don't see it
Speaker 3: as necessary that I actually view it. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: the police commissioner, for heaven's sake, of course you should
Speaker 3: view it. And a police commissioner, of all people, should
Speaker 3: be beyond reproach even the width of lying or misleading
Speaker 3: the public, even if it's about Gin is a big problem.
Speaker 3: If Weeb isn't considering her position, the state government certainly
Speaker 3: should be.
Speaker 4: But first let's get.
Speaker 3: A reaction from my panel, National Senator Matt Canavan and
Speaker 3: Perth Mayor Basil Zemplss. I mean, these protests going on
Speaker 3: this weekend. I cannot believe Matt that the New South
Speaker 3: Wales Police actually pulled away from the bid to have
Speaker 3: that protest on the sixth stop today. I just can't
Speaker 3: see how it can be done safely. Even if it's
Speaker 3: not going past the synagogue, surely it is willing for
Speaker 3: a fight.
Speaker 7: Look, I have some sympathy with the New South Wales
Speaker 7: Police here. I don't know all the details of what's happened,
Speaker 7: and obviously I believe they only have limited powers to
Speaker 7: stop public gatherings of this kind. I'll save my condemnation
Speaker 7: for the organizers of the event rather than you. Soevel's
Speaker 7: police or I think are put in a tough position.
Speaker 7: I I you just you wonder sometimes whether the so
Speaker 7: called Free Palestine movement or the officials that put themselves
Speaker 7: out as the figureheads of this movement to secretly actually
Speaker 7: doing the business of Israel. I mean, they act in
Speaker 7: such a way as to deter reasonable people from having
Speaker 7: sympathy with the Palestine cause, and count myself as one
Speaker 7: of those people of the more Over the last year,
Speaker 7: I've learned more about the situation over there, and I
Speaker 7: have been a ghast at the death of Palestinian civilians
Speaker 7: and the circumstances they find themselves in. It's terrible, it's tragic,
Speaker 7: but their so called advocates here in Western countries do
Speaker 7: them no favors by constantly kicking sand in other people's
Speaker 7: faces totally unnecessarily. This is obviously going to be a
Speaker 7: week of great grief for the Jewish community, and if
Speaker 7: they were serious about helping the Palestinian people, they'd put
Speaker 7: out an olive branch to those people who are suffering
Speaker 7: from a great atrocity a year on, rather than Srina's
Speaker 7: choice score cheap political points for their own I think
Speaker 7: domestic purposes and selfish purposes at the end of the day.
Speaker 4: But this is the point Basil, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can have your protest about ditsing Gaza
Speaker 3: any other day of the year. They've been having those
Speaker 3: projes for the better part of a year. There is
Speaker 3: no reason to do it this weekend on October the
Speaker 3: sixth or October the seventh, unless you're trying to signal
Speaker 3: that you liked what happened on October the seventh.
Speaker 8: Absolutely correct, or at least at the very least being
Speaker 8: particularly inflammatory with your choice of this weekend for those
Speaker 8: protesters to gather. I mean, let's not forget we should
Speaker 8: not forget this point. It is the anniversary, the twelvemonth
Speaker 8: anniversary of the biggest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust.
Speaker 8: That's what this date and this anniversary represents for the
Speaker 8: Jewish people. And so anyone with any common sense or
Speaker 8: any common decency would know that is not the time
Speaker 8: to protest. It is and can only be considered as
Speaker 8: totally disrespectful to the people of Israel. And so it is. Yes,
Speaker 8: it's been moved away from the synagogue. Most unfortunate that
Speaker 8: it continues to happen. A bit like Matt, I have
Speaker 8: sympathy with the police of New South Wales. What you
Speaker 8: do hope, what you sincerely hope is that this gathering,
Speaker 8: let's not even call it a protest, but this gathering
Speaker 8: will be conducted peacefully. But there are no guarantees. That
Speaker 8: is the problem.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's highly unlikely to be perfectly honest.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the Queensland election. They're three days into
Speaker 3: the campaign up there and Queensland Premier Stephen Miles. My god,
Speaker 3: he had a stinker of a day. I think I'll
Speaker 3: just let this clip speak for itself.
Speaker 9: I'll find out where the.
Speaker 10: Candidate.
Speaker 9: I don't have that detail in front of me.
Speaker 11: You don't know the name of the candidate that's running
Speaker 11: for your team in the set that you're in today.
Speaker 12: Susan, Yeah, of course it's Susan.
Speaker 9: I was with it.
Speaker 12: The other names.
Speaker 3: Oh, Matt, it's so bad, isn't it.
Speaker 7: Look it's not his best day. Obviously I'm not always
Speaker 7: the best with names. But keep in mind. My understanding
Speaker 7: is that press conference was in the electorate where he
Speaker 7: couldn't remember the candidate's name. I mean, if the guy
Speaker 7: was serious about the Bruce high was there notionally to
Speaker 7: talk about this issue the Bruce Highway for viewers around
Speaker 7: another parts of the country. I'm not far from where
Speaker 7: he held his press conference right now, and that highway
Speaker 7: is an absolute go track at the moment. Massive potholes.
Speaker 7: It's a shocking state of disrepair under this government. And
Speaker 7: he's notionally there to say he's going to do something
Speaker 7: about it. And he doesn't even know the name of
Speaker 7: the candidate who is meant to be representing the area.
Speaker 7: And I mean he has been a premier I think
Speaker 7: over the past year. That's just all for show, not
Speaker 7: a serious attempt to deal with the challenges facing this state.
Speaker 7: He has tried to put a pretty weak veneer on
Speaker 7: a decaying and and tied government. And when you chip
Speaker 7: away at that paint just a little bit your seat
Speaker 7: that decaying underbody. And I think the coinsand people saw
Speaker 7: that again today. They see it in the state of
Speaker 7: their roads, they see it in the delays at their hospitals.
Speaker 7: They just want to stay government, to focus on getting
Speaker 7: those basic services right. They don't have that right now.
Speaker 4: Now Basil your state of Wa.
Speaker 3: You've obviously got the former ALP senator Fatima payment. She's
Speaker 3: now reportedly weeks away from registering her own political party.
Speaker 3: And the suggestion is that it would go beyond just
Speaker 3: the state of Western Australia into marginal seats elsewhere. And
Speaker 3: of course you know that the Albanezi government is a
Speaker 3: little bit worried about shoring up support in areas with
Speaker 3: a high Muslim population, particularly in Western Sydney. You've already
Speaker 3: got Independent saying that they will go into those seats
Speaker 3: and this party allegedly is not going to be religiously based.
Speaker 4: But we know why she left.
Speaker 3: It was over the whole gaza thing, and you'd have
Speaker 3: to think she's going to try and get a piece
Speaker 3: of this part.
Speaker 8: And it's a very strategic play, There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 8: I mean, any senator is free to do what they want,
Speaker 8: especially once they have left the political party. The problem,
Speaker 8: of course, is that when Senator Payment was elected, she
Speaker 8: wasn't elected as an independent, and she wasn't elected as
Speaker 8: somebody who was going to go off and start her
Speaker 8: own party and run candidates in other seats around the country.
Speaker 8: So that is the issue, and it is why it
Speaker 8: is so important that every Australian absolutely understands that this
Speaker 8: next federal election, who it is they are voting for
Speaker 8: and what the ramifications of that vote will be, especially
Speaker 8: when we consider and face or contemplate the prospect of
Speaker 8: a hung parliament. Who is it that is going to
Speaker 8: have the balance of power and that is something that
Speaker 8: should both worry and have on high alert every Australian.
Speaker 4: Here here bat in Basil. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 3: Well, South Australian Parliament, as I said before, has greenlit
Speaker 3: a pro Palestinian group to protest on the first anniversary
Speaker 3: of the October seven terrorist attacks. Now the decision has
Speaker 3: left the Premier, Peter Malanowskas scrambling.
Speaker 4: He said it's inappropriate and.
Speaker 3: The police don't seem keen to cancel the event. Instead,
Speaker 3: Police Commissioner Grant Stephens warned that any material that condones
Speaker 3: or supports promotes a terrorist organization or terrorism can be
Speaker 3: the subject of prosecution under state law. Will I'm join
Speaker 3: now sorry by South Australian Independent MLC Frank Pangelo. You've
Speaker 3: written to the Premiere, You've written to the Police Commissioner
Speaker 3: to voice your concerns about this.
Speaker 4: How did this get through?
Speaker 3: Who actually approves a protest to occur.
Speaker 4: On the steps of Parliament House?
Speaker 13: Well, applications need to be made to the Parliament through
Speaker 13: the Procedures and Protocol Office, and the the organizers of
Speaker 13: this protest have been doing this for almost a year
Speaker 13: now and look I acknowledge that their protests have been
Speaker 13: peaceful to date, but this one got through to the
Speaker 13: keeper right because what had happened. They not only booked
Speaker 13: the steps of Parliament House for Sunday, October sixth, but
Speaker 13: they also booked Parliament on October the seventh for fifteen
Speaker 13: hours from six am to nine pm.
Speaker 4: Now, I think this.
Speaker 13: Is deliberate, it's provocative and also probably intended to prevent
Speaker 13: any other groups, particularly members of the Jewish community, from
Speaker 13: going to Parliament and conducting a vigil. So it's all intended,
Speaker 13: as you've pointed out, to essentially promote hate speech, anti Semitism,
Speaker 13: which we've seen throughout the country, and at the same
Speaker 13: time glorify terrorist leaders as heroes. And that's what they'll do.
Speaker 13: And on Sunday, you know they hope, well they've told
Speaker 13: part they expect about one hundred people. I can't see
Speaker 13: that happening. One hundred people, that's what they put on
Speaker 13: the application and it's outrageous. And look, what is also
Speaker 13: concerning Caleb is the Premier's attitude today. So he's come
Speaker 13: out and you know he said he doesn't approve of it,
Speaker 13: and you know it shouldn't be held the Foreign Minister
Speaker 13: Penny Won has said the same thing. But what have
Speaker 13: they done about it?
Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 4: What's the recourse here?
Speaker 3: Right, So the Parliament makes a decision that they can
Speaker 3: have it, but the Premier is not doing anything about it,
Speaker 3: the Police Commission is not intervening.
Speaker 4: What can actually be.
Speaker 3: Done well to stop this process short of trying to
Speaker 3: do what U South Wales tried to do the copp
Speaker 3: has tried to do and have it stopped in court.
Speaker 13: Well that's because they were head of the game and
Speaker 13: knew what was going on, but here they got caught unaware.
Speaker 13: I mean I only found out about it yesterday when
Speaker 13: I had a look at the list of protests that
Speaker 13: had been booked at Parliament House. A few people knew
Speaker 13: about it and that's how we found out about it.
Speaker 13: But of course the Police Commissioner cannot act on it
Speaker 13: unless something happens. And of course now they're going to
Speaker 13: have to have additional police on duty on Monday, which
Speaker 13: they didn't expect but now they have to, and they
Speaker 13: will monitor it and make sure that if there is
Speaker 13: any breaches of laws, Commonwealth and state laws. If they
Speaker 13: do happen to show the Hesbeala flag or any placards
Speaker 13: showing these slain terrorist leaders. They say that they'll move in.
Speaker 13: But you know the premier who says, you know, politicians
Speaker 13: shouldn't interfere in political activities lot this and democracies, Well,
Speaker 13: I think that's quite disingenuous because they do. I mean,
Speaker 13: what would you have done if there were a group
Speaker 13: of neo Nazis that had planned to erect a march
Speaker 13: in the streets, or Nazis or whatever, of course you
Speaker 13: would act right now, it's disingenuous a premier. You should
Speaker 13: have picked up the phone, called the organizers and said
Speaker 13: to him, look, this is insensitive and please reconsider and
Speaker 13: call it off, just like they've done in Sydney. But
Speaker 13: he hasn't done that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look something needs to be done about it. Frank Pangelo,
Speaker 3: thank you for joining me. And he makes a very
Speaker 3: good point there. You know, if it were an event
Speaker 3: being held to commemorate the beginning of the Holocaust, you
Speaker 3: wouldn't allow that to happen. But you have an event
Speaker 3: to commemorate the day a terrorist attack occurred against Jews,
Speaker 3: and you know, because it happened a year ago, we
Speaker 3: don't treat it in the same way.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It just doesn't seem right to me.
Speaker 3: While we're on the topic, the alban Easy government's all
Speaker 3: over the shop again on Iran's attack on Israel. Here
Speaker 3: were Deputy PM Richard Miles and Foreign Minister Penny Wong today.
Speaker 2: We are not about to deny country's rights to defend themselves.
Speaker 2: That said, we have added our voice to an international
Speaker 2: call led by the United States for a twenty one
Speaker 2: day ceasefire. This is the moment for diploma.
Speaker 1: Israel has a right to defend itself against these attacks.
Speaker 1: We have virtual parties to show restrain and de escalate.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Australia has secured some seats on flights out of Lebanon,
Speaker 3: despite the fact Australians have been worn to get out
Speaker 3: of there for months. Here's Wong again.
Speaker 1: We have secured eighty seats on flights that are leaving today.
Speaker 1: We have secured an additional five hundred seats for Australians
Speaker 1: Australian permanent residents, and there are a few immediate family
Speaker 1: members on two flights to Cyprus which will be leaving
Speaker 1: on Saturday.
Speaker 3: I'm joined now by the former chair of Parliament's Foreign
Speaker 3: Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby, Michael and the government
Speaker 3: just flip flops on this all the time. In one breath,
Speaker 3: that's yes, they have the right to defend themselves. In
Speaker 3: the other, it's but we want to cease fire. As
Speaker 3: I've been saying for some time, it's all good and
Speaker 3: well to call for a cease far. I don't think
Speaker 3: anyone worn swore to be ongoing. But to have a
Speaker 3: ceasefire it requires two sides to agree to put their
Speaker 3: weapons down. You're not going to get terrorists to put
Speaker 3: their weapons down.
Speaker 14: Albo, Wong and Miles sound like they're still playing student politics, Caleb.
Speaker 14: In the adult world, this is the biggest ballistic missile
Speaker 14: attack on between two states. In fact, it's the second one,
Speaker 14: remember the one that took place in April. The International
Speaker 14: Toomic Energy Agency has reported that Iran has six lots
Speaker 14: of fissile material for a nuclear bomb. There are a
Speaker 14: few weeks away from that. What happens if you're in Israeli,
Speaker 14: Richard Miles's, Penny Wong or Anthony Albanese if the next
Speaker 14: loss has a nuclear warhead. So let's stop playing student politics.
Speaker 14: Let's stop mouthing stuff about seaside. Let's deal with real situations.
Speaker 14: And it's funny, Caleb when even Justin Trudeau sounds militant
Speaker 14: compared to our se ad lost. This is a socialist
Speaker 14: left government. I disassociate myself from them. I'm so ashamed
Speaker 14: that a Labor Party would not react to a serious
Speaker 14: situation like this with an adult way that a Bob
Speaker 14: Hawk or Kim Beasley would have.
Speaker 3: Well, Michael, as a former Labor m P, are you
Speaker 3: still a member of the Labor Party?
Speaker 14: I am, yeah, and I believe in continuing the fight
Speaker 14: and I'm not going to leave it to these guys
Speaker 14: and their childish mouthing of slogans when the situation changes.
Speaker 14: The ceasefire thing, I remind Richard Miles was considered weeks ago,
Speaker 14: but there's been this ballistic missile attack. Richard, have you
Speaker 14: watched the news?
Speaker 12: Do you have a TV at home.
Speaker 14: Now?
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton, he responded to all of this today, take
Speaker 3: a listen.
Speaker 11: If Richard Miles wants to go down the appeasement path
Speaker 11: of Anthony Obniicie, that's an issue for him. Paddy Wong's
Speaker 11: out there calling for restraint, the Prime ministers calling for
Speaker 11: Israel to step back. Israel is facing an existential threat
Speaker 11: of extinction.
Speaker 3: I mean he's essentially said the same thing as you there.
Speaker 4: You know I've said this before.
Speaker 3: The government on this issue have had more flip flops
Speaker 3: than Bondai Beach. You know, they cannot make their mind
Speaker 3: up because they're sitting on the fence. They're trying to
Speaker 3: appease both sides. They don't want to be seen to be,
Speaker 3: you know, not supporting an ally, but at the same
Speaker 3: time they're really worried about Muslim votes in Western Sydney.
Speaker 4: You can't have it both ways.
Speaker 14: Australia is a proud sovereign country, the twelfth richest country
Speaker 14: in the world. We should behave like adults. Mouthing slogans
Speaker 14: of the socialist left are just rubbish in the current situation.
Speaker 14: What do you do if you're in Israeli and the
Speaker 14: third missile striker is coming with a nuclear warhead on it?
Speaker 14: These people are crazy. Did you see the people that
Speaker 14: Andrew Bolt showed pressing the button and doing Allah alakbara
Speaker 14: incantations before they did it. I mean, would you, if
Speaker 14: you were a rational, laid back left wing Israeli academic
Speaker 14: worry about that? If you were wandering around the streets
Speaker 14: at Tel Aviv. I would and defy all the clarences
Speaker 14: from Richard Richard Marleson and Anthony Albanese and Pennywong. It's,
Speaker 14: you know, something that any normal and rational person would
Speaker 14: be concerned with. And that's why even the recalcitrants and
Speaker 14: reluctant Biden administration, that's why countries around the world have
Speaker 14: said Israel has a right to take military action. You can't,
Speaker 14: Anthony Albanie, say that Israel has the right to self defense,
Speaker 14: but then in every case where they do it, you say, oh,
Speaker 14: they shouldn't do it that way. We have to have
Speaker 14: diplomacy and ceasefire, you know, sometimes, as we did in
Speaker 14: the Second World War, these things have got to be fought,
Speaker 14: and I'm afraid Israel is that the sphere point of
Speaker 14: Western democracies fighting irreconcilably fanatical regimes that would like to
Speaker 14: destroy not just is Rob but all of us.
Speaker 3: Indeed, Michael Danby, thank you for your time.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: JD Vance's beard. Yes, his facial hair is having its
Speaker 3: own moments in the headline, apparently for being negative and aggressive.
Speaker 3: You can't make this stuff up. My panel will join
Speaker 3: me later in the show. But first, is Queensland Premier
Speaker 3: Stephen Miles really on track to lose his seat? Demographic
Speaker 3: profile of John Black will break down which voters have
Speaker 3: had enough of the Labor government don't go away? Well,
Speaker 3: the Queensland election is edging closer and it's becoming clearer
Speaker 3: by the day that the Males government is steering down
Speaker 3: the barrel of a landslide loss. I think we all
Speaker 3: knew it was coming in some way, but new internal
Speaker 3: polling revealed in the Australian points to an even big nightmare,
Speaker 3: which is swings against the party are so bad in
Speaker 3: the outer suburbs that they might just clip Premier Stephen
Speaker 3: Miles and his Health Minister Shannon Fenderman, of course, the
Speaker 3: woman who famously does know what a woman is, and
Speaker 3: Fendomin is actually tipped to become the opposition leader in
Speaker 3: the likely event of an l NP win, which you know,
Speaker 3: without her, what the hell is the party going to do?
Speaker 3: Former Labor senator and demographic profile of John Black joins
Speaker 3: me now to break it all down, John, walk us
Speaker 3: through these numbers. How bad does this look for Labor?
Speaker 10: Well, would appear that Labour's definitely going to lose around
Speaker 10: about twenty seats based on the polling that we have now,
Speaker 10: so there's no chance of them surviving, which is fair
Speaker 10: enough after you spent the best part of the last
Speaker 10: thirty five years in government.
Speaker 12: That's to be expected. But the swing is likely.
Speaker 15: To range from an average or around an average of
Speaker 15: around about eight percent up to about sixteen to twenty
Speaker 15: percent in some of the outer suburbs and also in
Speaker 15: some of the provincial city seats.
Speaker 10: So what's been happening over the last twenty years or
Speaker 10: so caliber is that the vote for labor amongst working
Speaker 10: class men has been declining, and now the position is
Speaker 10: the work that women who are professionals more likely to
Speaker 10: be professionals.
Speaker 12: Much more like to vote labor than working class men.
Speaker 10: You're more likely to find a working class bloke in
Speaker 10: Australia in a Conservative coalition seat now than in a
Speaker 10: labor seat.
Speaker 12: That means the swings are going to be much greater
Speaker 12: in the provincial.
Speaker 10: Cities where you see a lot of working class jobs,
Speaker 10: a lot of old fashioned manufacturing jobs, and also in
Speaker 10: the outer suburbs.
Speaker 3: What about the inner city. I mean, the Greens are
Speaker 3: threatening to go gung ho like they did last time
Speaker 3: and in the federal election.
Speaker 12: Yeah, look they're working hard.
Speaker 10: I live in one of those seats and clearly they
Speaker 10: are knocking on a lot of doors and they're very enthusiastic.
Speaker 12: I think I've been doorknocked twice. I live in Green.
Speaker 10: Slabs from the Greens has been aimed specifically at Labor
Speaker 10: rather than at the coalition. So the problem for the
Speaker 10: Greens is that whilst they might take some primary votes
Speaker 10: from labor, that leaves the voters who are more inclined
Speaker 10: to vote for the coalition with their second preferences. So
Speaker 10: we're expecting to see a smaller leakage of preferences from
Speaker 10: Labor to the Greens.
Speaker 12: And a much smaller labor votes.
Speaker 10: So the swings that the Greens are getting in primary
Speaker 10: votes in the inner cities looks like about three percent
Speaker 10: directly from labor, but Labour's losing a lot more to
Speaker 10: the coalition. So the coalition I think has its chances
Speaker 10: improved a bit compared to what it would have been before.
Speaker 3: Now I'm not going to say that if the LNP
Speaker 3: wins this and games twenty seats or Labor loses twenty seats,
Speaker 3: that that means the lnp's got three terms of government.
Speaker 3: We can't forget what happened to Campbell Newman. It will
Speaker 3: be a long road back for Labor if indeed they
Speaker 3: lose twenty seats.
Speaker 10: Yes, look, a lot depends on how competent the Chrysiphunity
Speaker 10: government is over the next seven months or so until
Speaker 10: the federal election, and in the longer term over the
Speaker 10: next three years. The federal Labor government would be hoping
Speaker 10: that he makes a mess of it and that he's
Speaker 10: already achieving the depths of unpopularity that were achieved by
Speaker 10: Campbell Newman after the first year or so of his government.
Speaker 10: If that doesn't happen, then we're unlikely to see any
Speaker 10: gain of seats federally in Queensland by the Labor Party
Speaker 10: and they're likely to stay down at the fed Rock level.
Speaker 10: So the coalition government of the LNP government would have
Speaker 10: to operate pretty competently in order to hold that hold
Speaker 10: the majority that they have.
Speaker 3: John Blackett's can to be interesting to watch. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much for your time.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 3: You might remember at school is last year that Australian
Speaker 3: Police Commissioner Grant Stephen's eighteen year old son Charlie was
Speaker 3: killed in a hidden run well. Mister Stephens and his
Speaker 3: wife Emma went to court today in Adelaide to give
Speaker 3: their victim impact statement ahead of the sentencing of the
Speaker 3: driver who hit Charlie. He pleaded guilty to aggravate a
Speaker 3: driving without due care and to leaving the scene of
Speaker 3: an accident after causing death. I wanted to read you
Speaker 3: some of what mister Stephens said today in court because
Speaker 3: his strength through losing his son and staying on as
Speaker 3: police commissioner, I just have to say, is remarkable. He
Speaker 3: told the court, you cannot possibly understand what you have
Speaker 3: taken from us. He's talking to the driver. Your actions
Speaker 3: that night have changed us and our family forever. We
Speaker 3: could not begin to describe the loss, and even if
Speaker 3: we could, we would not truly You would not truly
Speaker 3: appreciate what the words mean. Losing Charlie just as he
Speaker 3: was becoming a man has taken so much of the
Speaker 3: color out of our lives. Not a single day goes
Speaker 3: by where we don't think about Charlie. The important days
Speaker 3: are not the same anymore. Where we smile and spend
Speaker 3: time together as a family, there's a deep sadness that's
Speaker 3: so much more acute than every other day.
Speaker 4: Charlie would have been nineteen.
Speaker 3: This year, instead of celebrating, it took all our efforts
Speaker 3: just to get through the day. We know that the
Speaker 3: grief is with us for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 3: Charlie won't be part of those important days other than
Speaker 3: as a memory and an emptiness we all try to
Speaker 3: deal with. We see the changes in our children as
Speaker 3: they try to deal with their grief, and that adds
Speaker 3: to our sorrow.
Speaker 4: Our heartache.
Speaker 3: When our two year old grandson calls out Charlie's name
Speaker 3: when he sees a photo of him, you cannot possibly
Speaker 3: comprehend how much pain you have cost so many people,
Speaker 3: pain that doesn't go away. There are songs we no
Speaker 3: longer listen to without tears. We see the pain in
Speaker 3: those boys Charlie's friends, particularly the ones that were with
Speaker 3: him that night when you left him injured.
Speaker 4: On the road.
Speaker 3: We were at Goolwa when you took our son from us.
Speaker 3: Will never be able to go back there again. We
Speaker 3: acknowledge that you have taken responsibility for what you have done.
Speaker 3: We are sure this has been difficult for you, but
Speaker 3: you get to move on. The people close to you,
Speaker 3: still have you in their lives.
Speaker 4: We don't have Charlie.
Speaker 3: We want you to remember Charlie and how your actions
Speaker 3: have taken him from us. Now we have are memories
Speaker 3: of him, and that's not enough. I mean the strength
Speaker 3: to get up and say that in court today and
Speaker 3: to continue as police commissioner through all of that. I
Speaker 3: have to say, Grant Stephens, but my thoughts are with you.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you've done it. Still to come,
Speaker 3: Labour's net zero targeting further and further away from reality
Speaker 3: after a major energy operator ditch their plans for hydrogen
Speaker 3: gas and energy expert Sulkovonicle tell me what all that
Speaker 3: means through Albanezi later in the show. Plus one body
Speaker 3: language expert's bizarre take on JD Vance's aggressive beard. That's
Speaker 3: coming up with my panel next. Lots more to get through,
Speaker 3: so let's get straight into it with my panel, Scar
Speaker 3: News commentator Jason Morrison and Liberal MP Zoe McKenzie. I
Speaker 3: can't get over the sickening, delusional take on the October
Speaker 3: seventh anniversary of the attacks. I read it out earlier
Speaker 3: in the program, But the Islamic Council of Victoria President
Speaker 3: claimed that Muslims need to rally next Monday at El Salmon.
Speaker 3: He told the Herald Son that holding a vigil on
Speaker 3: October the seventh for the more than forty thousand lives
Speaker 3: lost in Israel's genocidal war on Gaza is needed for
Speaker 3: the community to come together to share its deep grief
Speaker 3: and anguish and to remember and honor the victims. Jason,
Speaker 3: they need it. I mean, there's three hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: four other days of the year, but they need to
Speaker 3: do it on October the seventh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you've been quite polite by saying you
Speaker 6: cannot get over it, because I'm not even shocked.
Speaker 4: At it anymore.
Speaker 6: I don't think any is really shocked at this. These
Speaker 6: groups exist for reasons which are very loosely defined as
Speaker 6: to what their titles often say. And when it comes
Speaker 6: to the crunch, they're tribalists and this is tribal behavior
Speaker 6: and they have decided that they've picked aside here that
Speaker 6: is nothing to do with any morality. It's not to
Speaker 6: do with any decency. It's got nothing to do with
Speaker 6: Australian values. It's got everything to do with ancient hatreds
Speaker 6: that should not even be in this country, but have
Speaker 6: been imported into this country.
Speaker 4: And you know, here's it.
Speaker 6: Remember and as much as we talk about October seven,
Speaker 6: remember October the ninth when in Sydney we had a
Speaker 6: rally at the Opera House where there were chants about
Speaker 6: killing Jews and things spoken in Arabic that are just
Speaker 6: beyond mentioning on open airways. And the joke of it
Speaker 6: was joke, stupid word. The ridiculous nature of it was
Speaker 6: is that there hadn't even been any fighting at that stage.
Speaker 6: There'd only been one terrorist attack and that was the
Speaker 6: one committed. So look, are you shocked. I'm not even
Speaker 6: remotely shocked at this, not one bit.
Speaker 3: No A fair point, Zoe. What's the Allen government doing
Speaker 3: about this? At least in New South Wales the police
Speaker 3: made an effort to go to court.
Speaker 16: Indeed, And also I think Chris Means has generally been
Speaker 16: much more frank in his language and his expectations. I
Speaker 16: would like to see a similar frankness from our Victorian government.
Speaker 16: I would like to see a similar frankness from the
Speaker 16: Prime Minister. On Monday evening, I will be at a
Speaker 16: memorial in Melbourne for what happened on October seven. Josh
Speaker 16: Burns will be there. He's shown some moral courage on
Speaker 16: this topic. Michael Danby goodness, the Prime Minister could do
Speaker 16: with a page out of his book, having watched him
Speaker 16: on your show just a few minutes ago. It's an
Speaker 16: outrage that these protests will go ahead, whether that's Sunday,
Speaker 16: whether that's Monday. Twelve hundred people were killed. Jewish people
Speaker 16: were killed, Arabic people were killed. They were people who
Speaker 16: were living close to Gaza Strip, were employed people from
Speaker 16: the Gaza Strip who believed in peace, who believe in
Speaker 16: a two state solution, and they were slaughtered in their beds.
Speaker 16: Their children were slaughtered in their beds. Babies were slaughtered
Speaker 16: in their beds. Two hundred and fifty people were taken
Speaker 16: into the tunnels in her Mass, and one hundred of
Speaker 16: them is still there. This is not a day the
Speaker 16: celebrating or protesting with her Mass or has wet our
Speaker 16: flags flying overhead. It's a day for sorry, remembrance and
Speaker 16: hope for the peace in the future.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, here is your beautiful, rich, multicultural Australia.
Speaker 4: This is the reality of it.
Speaker 6: And as much as people want to dance around and
Speaker 6: pretend that these issues are just little isolated pockets.
Speaker 12: They are not.
Speaker 6: We have imported too many horrible, ancient hatreds into this
Speaker 6: country and they're being allowed to be mainstream by this
Speaker 6: and anyone who thinks there's going to be a lovely
Speaker 6: vigil there won't be. It'll be the same hideous crap
Speaker 6: that we're put up with for the last year. And
Speaker 6: it's not a place in this country.
Speaker 10: It's just.
Speaker 3: There needs to be an intervention now, and every state
Speaker 3: government needs to do it right now. You know that
Speaker 3: the weekend is just a few days away. Get the
Speaker 3: hell on with it now, Victoria.
Speaker 6: They won't because they're as weak as water.
Speaker 4: But they're all as weak as water, I know they are.
Speaker 3: Victoria gets the title probably of the worker state in Australia,
Speaker 3: but South Australia mightn't be too far behind. Of course,
Speaker 3: I'm back there tonight. It's been reported in the Advertiser today.
Speaker 3: Apparently this has been on the books for years and
Speaker 3: no one really took any notice of it, that public
Speaker 3: school teachers must use a child's preferred pronouns even if
Speaker 3: their parents don't want them to. Well, finally someone has
Speaker 3: taken notice of it. One nation Upper House in Pice.
Speaker 3: There again, she's going to put in a bill now
Speaker 3: to reverse it. I mean the fact that it is
Speaker 3: there in the first place. Jason, You know, it seems
Speaker 3: in these cases that the state is trying to subvert
Speaker 3: the rights of the parent.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, they're slow learners, aren't they. When did it
Speaker 6: ever get decided that governments, officials, bureaucrats were the custodians
Speaker 6: of ethics and morality. That's a parent's job. And if
Speaker 6: you can't find your way through all of that, and
Speaker 6: you think there is any recoverable situation, then you go
Speaker 6: to a higher authority the things called courts for that,
Speaker 6: But not the local head master, head mistress. We're not
Speaker 6: looking for the morality of the teacher, and we're certainly
Speaker 6: not looking for the local social workers input on this one. Parents'
Speaker 6: first parents always, and if the parents are dead beats
Speaker 6: or hopeless, go somewhere higher where proper judgments can be made.
Speaker 6: But I don't know where they're going to get off
Speaker 6: on thinking that they've got some kind of role or
Speaker 6: responsibility in all of this. Get out of the way.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you've already tried it on in Victoria,
Speaker 3: haven't you. ZOI not you specifically.
Speaker 16: Look, do you know what I think parents are worried about.
Speaker 16: I've actually spent the last three days in camera on
Speaker 16: social media inquiry, listening to parents' concerns about what's happening
Speaker 16: to their children online, what's happening in the world of
Speaker 16: social media. I think they've got that very front and
Speaker 16: center reflection on is my child safe in my laundroom?
Speaker 16: Let me hear what they're also worried about. They're worried
Speaker 16: about the cost of education going up by eleven percent
Speaker 16: in the last year. Fruit and vegetable seven point five
Speaker 16: cereals four point four year and year to July. That's
Speaker 16: what's keeping parents awake at night. And I do believe
Speaker 16: what you've just said before. Parents first, right, parents get
Speaker 16: to send their children into the world, send them into schools,
Speaker 16: and to make sure that their children are safe. The
Speaker 16: schools sit in the shoes of the parents for the
Speaker 16: school day, and they want to know that their kids
Speaker 16: are safe. So I also backed the will of parents,
Speaker 16: but I think to some extent, mister Bate has moved on.
Speaker 16: Most children I know don't know good grammar and just
Speaker 16: call everybody there and then whether it's a here or
Speaker 16: a she, so to some extent, I think the boat
Speaker 16: has sailed on that. But I do believe parents get
Speaker 16: to right.
Speaker 3: I worry about this. I worry about the state of
Speaker 3: the English language. I have to say if the grammar
Speaker 3: is going out the window. Hey, we haven't got very long.
Speaker 3: But before I get to the break, I just want
Speaker 3: to very quickly talk about jd answers beard. Of course, sir,
Speaker 3: I have a beard myself, so I'd fell off my
Speaker 3: chair when I read this. A body language expert was
Speaker 3: quoted as saying, voter see beards as surprise, surprise, more masculine.
Speaker 3: That can be positive to some, reading a strength and competence,
Speaker 3: but to others, especially women, it can be negative, conveying
Speaker 3: aggression and opposition to feminist ideals. I'll give you each
Speaker 3: ten seconds. Jason, Beard's a toxic masculinity.
Speaker 6: Can you please stop frightening me with that beard?
Speaker 12: Mate?
Speaker 4: I just it's too much, just too much.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they'll try anything, won't they. I mean, he smoked
Speaker 6: the guy, right, JD smoked the guy, and the ideological
Speaker 6: left will look for anything to make him look weird
Speaker 6: and creepy. And if it's the beard, it's the beard
Speaker 6: today Politico, the outlet that started all this. How shameful.
Speaker 6: That's not journalism, that's wishful thinking.
Speaker 3: Zoey, Does he scare you off with that beard more?
Speaker 3: It's so scary?
Speaker 17: No, I think beard's a beautiful and handsome I assume
Speaker 17: he has one because he has a baby face, and
Speaker 17: it takes him from looking twenty four to thirty six.
Speaker 17: And when your running mate is almost in his remember
Speaker 17: it's good not to look twenty four, right anyway?
Speaker 16: I have no problem with bids, and they certainly don't
Speaker 16: present as a question.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, and I hope you include me in
Speaker 3: the handsome bid? Where is Zoe Mackenzie Jason Morris? And
Speaker 3: thank you for your time?
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 3: Has Origin Energy burst Labour's green dream bubble after abandoning
Speaker 3: the hydrogen project? I'll ask gas and energy experts all
Speaker 3: Carvonic next, don't go away. Someone has just sent me
Speaker 3: a photo of JD Evans without a bid. I understand
Speaker 3: why he has one now, just like I do. The
Speaker 3: Alban Eazy government's green energy dream is getting further away
Speaker 3: from reality. It would seem Origin Energy has bowed out
Speaker 3: of its plans to develop hydrogen energy. That the groups
Speaker 3: exited their proposed Hunter Valley Hydrogen Hub project due to
Speaker 3: what they say is pace and timing of development of
Speaker 3: the hydrogen market. Will guess an energy expert, salk of
Speaker 3: Onic is.
Speaker 4: With me now, Saul.
Speaker 3: This is meant to be a major plank of the
Speaker 3: government's green energy policy. People are moving away from it.
Speaker 3: Origins moved away from it. Twiggy Forest is moving away
Speaker 3: from it. It's a bit of a disaster, isn't it.
Speaker 9: This announcement by Origin is truly the death knell for
Speaker 9: Labour's green hydrogen ambitions. So just to give you some context,
Speaker 9: I just had a meeting an hour ago with one
Speaker 9: of the largest institutional investors in Australia who have material
Speaker 9: shareholdings in both Origin and Ourica, who are pursuing this
Speaker 9: project together, and they told me of all the proposed
Speaker 9: green hydrogen projects in the country, this was the project
Speaker 9: that had the best ingredients and that had the best
Speaker 9: chance to proceed. So the fact that Origin, who's a
Speaker 9: really serious player I've looked at this in depth, invested
Speaker 9: a lot of money already and called it quits. That's
Speaker 9: a signal that there's very little charge for all the
Speaker 9: other hydrogen projects in this country as well. So we're
Speaker 9: going to see a long list of cancelations of more
Speaker 9: green hydrogen projects going forward. And this is the problem
Speaker 9: from a policy perspective of picking winners, because often, as
Speaker 9: is the case here, they turn out to be a loser.
Speaker 9: And what we're seeing is, unfortunately, you know, labor fell
Speaker 9: for this green hydrogen fantasy and as a result we've
Speaker 9: lost a whole election cycle worth of good energy and
Speaker 9: industrial policy development. And you know, it's just ultimately of
Speaker 9: back the wrong horse.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, what does this mean for net zero targets?
Speaker 3: We already knew they weren't going to hit them as
Speaker 3: it was, but this can't help matters.
Speaker 9: Well, it's abundantly clear that the renewable energy target is
Speaker 9: not going to be met. The carbon reduction target by
Speaker 9: twenty can be met, but through offsets, not through industrial decarbonization.
Speaker 9: And this has got ramifications well beyond the net zero targets,
Speaker 9: which is becoming increasingly clear is not going to be
Speaker 9: meant anyway. A lot of this is about Australia's blue
Speaker 9: collar workers, right, So there was a lot of hope
Speaker 9: and a lot of political capital invested in the idea
Speaker 9: that green hydrogen was going to come to the rescue
Speaker 9: of our manufacturing sector and the thousands of manufacturing jobs
Speaker 9: to replace gas, because we've seen the Labor government's hostile
Speaker 9: policies towards gas, which means there won't be enough gas
Speaker 9: there to keep our industrial jobs going. But it's clear
Speaker 9: that green hydrogen is not coming to the rescue anymore,
Speaker 9: and so we now have a very real problem where
Speaker 9: unless we get very urgent investment in gas again, we're
Speaker 9: going to see thousands and thousands of jobs lost. And
Speaker 9: you have cascading effects when you have one industrial customer
Speaker 9: like an Aurica, like Quenos which is already closed and
Speaker 9: announced that over the last year, you start to see
Speaker 9: other instillery businesses all so close off the top of that,
Speaker 9: and you get a cascading effect of many jobs being lost.
Speaker 9: But unfortunately, despite Labour's rhetoric improving on gas now where
Speaker 9: they do acknowledge belatedly that we actually do need this
Speaker 9: not just for our energy, but for feedstock for industry
Speaker 9: where it's not replaceable, which renew at any cost. Right,
Speaker 9: despite that rhetoric, in terms of actions, we have not
Speaker 9: seen Labor remove the significant policy hurdles they put in
Speaker 9: place to invest in more gas, and they keep funding
Speaker 9: activist organizations like the Environmental Defenders Office, who are actively
Speaker 9: trying to build all the new gas investment in the country.
Speaker 4: Saul, I'm sorry we're out of time, but you're so right.
Speaker 3: We are heading for real problems. Saul Kavonic, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for joining me.
Speaker 4: That's it for me.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your company up now, Paul Murray