Speaker 1: Hi, Lucky Dip listeners. It's mail It's Monty. Why are
Speaker 1: you scowling at me?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not scowling at you. I'm looking at myself
Speaker 2: in the monitor because I keep seeing like a bit
Speaker 2: of a shadow that looks like it's in front of
Speaker 2: me on the monitor.
Speaker 1: But I it's a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm here on my own. I don't think it's a ghost,
Speaker 2: but it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's Malan, it's Monty. If you've just joined us for
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Speaker 2: If you made yourself a Lucky Dip playlist, and there's
Speaker 2: probably one hundred and twenty three odd episodes, yes, and
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Speaker 2: and you will have so many stories that you can
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Speaker 1: Well, that's true, because your mal is like this encyclopedia
Speaker 1: for dumb shit. So if you just one of those
Speaker 1: people that retains dumb shit in your mind, this is
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll try not to get offended by that. But anyway,
Speaker 2: today I'm going to tell you a story about one
Speaker 2: of the most remarkable women. Okay, this is I mean
Speaker 2: like it's a bit of a downer, but it's a
Speaker 2: lot of a downer.
Speaker 1: Oh what a surprise.
Speaker 2: But well, most of the fascinating stories are.
Speaker 1: Aren't they They usually involve like you've told it about
Speaker 1: a lady with two vaginas. I mean that was kind
Speaker 1: of a perk, I guess. But often stories that are
Speaker 1: quite great, Like sometimes when you hear a story and
Speaker 1: it's quite like an uplifting story, it doesn't hit the
Speaker 1: spot like a downer story either, do you know what?
Speaker 2: I know it's true, And I was going to tell
Speaker 2: just a complete this has something beautiful within it. Okay, right,
Speaker 2: But the other story I was going to tell I
Speaker 2: thought it's just too dark, which is it's just been
Speaker 2: the thirtieth anniversary of you know that picture. It's called
Speaker 2: the Little Girl in the Vulture No. Thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: A photographer, he won the Pulitzer Prize for this picture
Speaker 2: that he took in the famine in Sudan, and the
Speaker 2: picture you would have seen it, it's this little I
Speaker 2: don't know, it looks like a three year old. It
Speaker 2: ended up being a boy, but a child starving that
Speaker 2: had collapsed on the ground and was just couldn't walk
Speaker 2: and there's a vulture behind it, and the vulture is
Speaker 2: just waiting for it to die.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's horrible. I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 2: I'll send it to you because you look at the
Speaker 2: picture and first you're struck by how horrible it is,
Speaker 2: but then you're like, what did that photographer do he
Speaker 2: took the photo? What happened? And that question was asked
Speaker 2: and because it was published in the New York Times,
Speaker 2: and the response was he chased the vulture away and
Speaker 2: then the child was able to get up and make
Speaker 2: it to the food aid area or whatever. But it
Speaker 2: was like, your instinct would be to just pick up
Speaker 2: that child maybe, I know, instead of chase the vulture. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: he ended up committing suicide about three weeks later or
Speaker 2: three months later or something. Because he was a photographer
Speaker 2: who traveled around just taking pictures of atrocities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got a man and it just fucked him.
Speaker 2: Of course it would anyway. This is dark. But well you.
Speaker 1: Told that story. You weren't going to tell that story,
Speaker 1: and you told it.
Speaker 2: I know, I can't help myself, all right. So in
Speaker 2: January of twenty fourteen, a twenty year old woman named
Speaker 2: Karen Rodriguez was driving through San Fernando in Mexico and
Speaker 2: she is run off the road and abducted by armed
Speaker 2: men who were part of this cartel you know in Mexico.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like drug cartels or whatever.
Speaker 2: And these guys were they were called the Z Cartel,
Speaker 2: and they were known to just target innocent people and
Speaker 2: abduct them and then get the ransom money from the
Speaker 2: families to fund whatever fucking shit they were doing, right anyway,
Speaker 2: So unfortunately this has happened to Karen. Karen's mother, Miriam,
Speaker 2: is just as you'd imagine, for the next few weeks,
Speaker 2: going insane trying to find her daughter. Because she knows
Speaker 2: she's been taken. They ask for this ransom. Miriam goes
Speaker 2: and takes a loan, She drops off the money a
Speaker 2: to drop off point, and there's no Karen. She ends
Speaker 2: up somehow making contact with one of these cartel members,
Speaker 2: and he agrees to meet with her, and he says
Speaker 2: to her, if you give me two grand, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you where she is. So she gives him the two
Speaker 2: grand and he does a runner, of course, so she's
Speaker 2: duped again. And now at this point number one, she
Speaker 2: knows her daughter's gone, she knows she's dead, but now
Speaker 2: she's fucking pissed, yea. So she goes on this brusade
Speaker 2: to hunt down these men. She starts researching, and she's
Speaker 2: got this guy's name. He told her his name, so
Speaker 2: she finds him on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Oh, name Sam.
Speaker 2: She finds him. What was twenty fourteen, Yeah, right, Jacques
Speaker 2: was around then, Yeah. She finds him on Facebook and
Speaker 2: she stalks and in one picture she notices that a
Speaker 2: friend that he's with is wearing the uniform of an
Speaker 2: ice cream shop that she knows. So she goes and
Speaker 2: she sits in front of that ice cream shop every
Speaker 2: day until she sees him, and then she follows him,
Speaker 2: finds out where he's hanging out with the other members
Speaker 2: of this cartel. She researches all of them, where they live,
Speaker 2: what they do, where they work, and then she starts
Speaker 2: disguising herself as like healthcare worker, and she wears wigs
Speaker 2: like it was full.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: She ends up tracking down almost every single one of
Speaker 2: the men responsible for abducting her daughter and alerts authorities
Speaker 2: and they're all arrested. One of them agrees to take
Speaker 2: the police to where Karen was murdered, so she goes
Speaker 2: with the police. She finds like a pillow that Karen
Speaker 2: used to have in her car, one of Karen's starves,
Speaker 2: and then they find a femur bone. That's all we found.
Speaker 1: God, this has got to take a twist at some point.
Speaker 1: This is so green, it's grim that it doesn't get
Speaker 1: any better.
Speaker 2: But like she is very aware of how risky this
Speaker 2: is because she's like these motherfuckers, Oh, you don't want
Speaker 2: to Yes, you don't want to mess with them. According
Speaker 2: to a friend, this is what she said, quote, I
Speaker 2: don't care if they kill me. I died the day
Speaker 2: they killed my daughter. I want to end this. I'm
Speaker 2: going to take out the people who hurt her, and
Speaker 2: they can do whatever they want to me. So this
Speaker 2: happened over a span of three years, so from twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen to twenty seventeen, that these guys were all put away.
Speaker 2: So like this fucking hero mother has succeeded. And then
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, on May tenth, Mother's Day in Mexico,
Speaker 2: she's murdered at the front of her house. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: like cartel members. I just read that story and I thought,
Speaker 2: not positive, no, but the love and the tenacity of
Speaker 2: a woman who will not give up for it. She
Speaker 2: just will not give up. She wants some sort of justice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and knowing how like scary that would have been for
Speaker 2: her too, because that like those Mexican cartels are.
Speaker 1: So well because they torture you and stuff. That was
Speaker 1: what I'd be like, kill me about. You wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to be tortured in the process of it. But it's
Speaker 1: so you just get if anyone fucked with your kids,
Speaker 1: like I get like that, if I hear somebody's being
Speaker 1: nasty to my kids, like Sam's like, I've never seen
Speaker 1: somebody hate so many ten year olds, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: want to fucking kill them if they're not kind to
Speaker 1: my boys. You know. So then if something like that happened,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to give up. You just keep
Speaker 1: going and going.
Speaker 2: You couldn't, you know, my mom back in the eighties,
Speaker 2: there were kids at our primary school. I think my
Speaker 2: brother was in great prep, but there was this one
Speaker 2: kid that was a real bully and he punched my
Speaker 2: brother in the stomach one day, and he was just
Speaker 2: making my brother's life. Hell yeah. My mum waited for
Speaker 2: him at the front of the school and when he
Speaker 2: walked out, she grabbed him by his top like imagine
Speaker 2: like you grab him by the top, and she said,
Speaker 2: you put your hand on my son again, I'll kill
Speaker 2: you right now. So loose. In the eighties, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, you could never do that now, but that's
Speaker 1: what you want to do.
Speaker 2: It's like the woman it went viral for bursting into
Speaker 2: her daughter's classroom and threatened to I mean, this is
Speaker 2: probably too far, but she threatened to slip the throat
Speaker 2: of a fellow classmates because because that girl had been
Speaker 2: making her daughter's life. Hell, her daughter was idle.
Speaker 1: You just go exactly crazy. That's when it's like, hold on,
Speaker 1: you're going to fucking kill my kids, So I'm going
Speaker 1: to kill you before you can do it. You do
Speaker 1: as a mom, like the thoughts that you have towards
Speaker 1: other kids that hurt your kids or you know, other
Speaker 1: people like that. So you get if somebody murdered your kid.
Speaker 1: Fucking how that was the darkest story that you've ever told.
Speaker 1: I kept waiting for the spin, and there was no spin.
Speaker 1: The love of the mum was beautiful, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't on par with the hecticness of it.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know that story now, and you'll
Speaker 2: tell someone else that story.
Speaker 1: I won't. I can't pass that on. It's too sad.
Speaker 1: But you know what, we need a real mix and
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Speaker 2: Fucking shaming me, that's yeah.
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