WEBVTT - LUCKY DIP, EP 127

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Lucky Dip listeners. It's mail It's Monty. Why are

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<v Speaker 1>you scowling at me?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not scowling at you. I'm looking at myself

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<v Speaker 2>in the monitor because I keep seeing like a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a shadow that looks like it's in front of

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<v Speaker 2>me on the monitor.

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<v Speaker 1>But I it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here on my own. I don't think it's a ghost,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Malan, it's Monty. If you've just joined us for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time, thanks for listening. These are like your

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<v Speaker 1>bite sized bits of podcasts. You can listen to them

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<v Speaker 1>when you're doing your pickup of your kids. If you

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<v Speaker 1>do that when you're in the supermarket wanting to pull

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<v Speaker 1>your fucking hair out because you're in the crumpet aisle,

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<v Speaker 1>you can listen to it there.

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<v Speaker 2>If you made yourself a Lucky Dip playlist, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>probably one hundred and twenty three odd episodes, yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>you listen to them all, you will be at least

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<v Speaker 2>five percent smarter by the end of it, dear reck,

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<v Speaker 2>and you will have so many stories that you can

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<v Speaker 2>share with people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's true, because your mal is like this encyclopedia

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<v Speaker 1>for dumb shit. So if you just one of those

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<v Speaker 1>people that retains dumb shit in your mind, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll try not to get offended by that. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>today I'm going to tell you a story about one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most remarkable women. Okay, this is I mean

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<v Speaker 2>like it's a bit of a downer, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of a downer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what a surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, most of the fascinating stories are.

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't they They usually involve like you've told it about

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<v Speaker 1>a lady with two vaginas. I mean that was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a perk, I guess. But often stories that are

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<v Speaker 1>quite great, Like sometimes when you hear a story and

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite like an uplifting story, it doesn't hit the

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<v Speaker 1>spot like a downer story either, do you know what?

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's true, And I was going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>just a complete this has something beautiful within it. Okay, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But the other story I was going to tell I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it's just too dark, which is it's just been

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<v Speaker 2>the thirtieth anniversary of you know that picture. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>the Little Girl in the Vulture No. Thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>A photographer, he won the Pulitzer Prize for this picture

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<v Speaker 2>that he took in the famine in Sudan, and the

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<v Speaker 2>picture you would have seen it, it's this little I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, it looks like a three year old. It

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<v Speaker 2>ended up being a boy, but a child starving that

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<v Speaker 2>had collapsed on the ground and was just couldn't walk

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a vulture behind it, and the vulture is

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<v Speaker 2>just waiting for it to die.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's horrible. I don't remember that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll send it to you because you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>picture and first you're struck by how horrible it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but then you're like, what did that photographer do he

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<v Speaker 2>took the photo? What happened? And that question was asked

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<v Speaker 2>and because it was published in the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 2>and the response was he chased the vulture away and

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<v Speaker 2>then the child was able to get up and make

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<v Speaker 2>it to the food aid area or whatever. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, your instinct would be to just pick up

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<v Speaker 2>that child maybe, I know, instead of chase the vulture. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>he ended up committing suicide about three weeks later or

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<v Speaker 2>three months later or something. Because he was a photographer

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<v Speaker 2>who traveled around just taking pictures of atrocities.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, got a man and it just fucked him.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course it would anyway. This is dark. But well you.

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<v Speaker 1>Told that story. You weren't going to tell that story,

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<v Speaker 1>and you told it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I can't help myself, all right. So in

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<v Speaker 2>January of twenty fourteen, a twenty year old woman named

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<v Speaker 2>Karen Rodriguez was driving through San Fernando in Mexico and

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<v Speaker 2>she is run off the road and abducted by armed

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<v Speaker 2>men who were part of this cartel you know in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, like drug cartels or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And these guys were they were called the Z Cartel,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were known to just target innocent people and

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<v Speaker 2>abduct them and then get the ransom money from the

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<v Speaker 2>families to fund whatever fucking shit they were doing, right anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So unfortunately this has happened to Karen. Karen's mother, Miriam,

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<v Speaker 2>is just as you'd imagine, for the next few weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>going insane trying to find her daughter. Because she knows

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<v Speaker 2>she's been taken. They ask for this ransom. Miriam goes

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<v Speaker 2>and takes a loan, She drops off the money a

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<v Speaker 2>to drop off point, and there's no Karen. She ends

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<v Speaker 2>up somehow making contact with one of these cartel members,

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<v Speaker 2>and he agrees to meet with her, and he says

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<v Speaker 2>to her, if you give me two grand, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you where she is. So she gives him the two

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<v Speaker 2>grand and he does a runner, of course, so she's

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<v Speaker 2>duped again. And now at this point number one, she

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<v Speaker 2>knows her daughter's gone, she knows she's dead, but now

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<v Speaker 2>she's fucking pissed, yea. So she goes on this brusade

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<v Speaker 2>to hunt down these men. She starts researching, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>got this guy's name. He told her his name, so

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<v Speaker 2>she finds him on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, name Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>She finds him. What was twenty fourteen, Yeah, right, Jacques

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<v Speaker 2>was around then, Yeah. She finds him on Facebook and

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<v Speaker 2>she stalks and in one picture she notices that a

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<v Speaker 2>friend that he's with is wearing the uniform of an

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<v Speaker 2>ice cream shop that she knows. So she goes and

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<v Speaker 2>she sits in front of that ice cream shop every

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<v Speaker 2>day until she sees him, and then she follows him,

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<v Speaker 2>finds out where he's hanging out with the other members

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<v Speaker 2>of this cartel. She researches all of them, where they live,

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<v Speaker 2>what they do, where they work, and then she starts

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<v Speaker 2>disguising herself as like healthcare worker, and she wears wigs

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<v Speaker 2>like it was full.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>She ends up tracking down almost every single one of

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<v Speaker 2>the men responsible for abducting her daughter and alerts authorities

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<v Speaker 2>and they're all arrested. One of them agrees to take

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<v Speaker 2>the police to where Karen was murdered, so she goes

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<v Speaker 2>with the police. She finds like a pillow that Karen

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<v Speaker 2>used to have in her car, one of Karen's starves,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they find a femur bone. That's all we found.

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<v Speaker 1>God, this has got to take a twist at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>This is so green, it's grim that it doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>any better.

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<v Speaker 2>But like she is very aware of how risky this

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<v Speaker 2>is because she's like these motherfuckers, Oh, you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to Yes, you don't want to mess with them. According

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<v Speaker 2>to a friend, this is what she said, quote, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care if they kill me. I died the day

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<v Speaker 2>they killed my daughter. I want to end this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to take out the people who hurt her, and

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<v Speaker 2>they can do whatever they want to me. So this

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<v Speaker 2>happened over a span of three years, so from twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen to twenty seventeen, that these guys were all put away.

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<v Speaker 2>So like this fucking hero mother has succeeded. And then

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen, on May tenth, Mother's Day in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>she's murdered at the front of her house. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>like cartel members. I just read that story and I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>not positive, no, but the love and the tenacity of

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<v Speaker 2>a woman who will not give up for it. She

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<v Speaker 2>just will not give up. She wants some sort of justice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and knowing how like scary that would have been for

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<v Speaker 2>her too, because that like those Mexican cartels are.

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<v Speaker 1>So well because they torture you and stuff. That was

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<v Speaker 1>what I'd be like, kill me about. You wouldn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be tortured in the process of it. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>so you just get if anyone fucked with your kids,

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<v Speaker 1>like I get like that, if I hear somebody's being

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<v Speaker 1>nasty to my kids, like Sam's like, I've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>somebody hate so many ten year olds, I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to fucking kill them if they're not kind to

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<v Speaker 1>my boys. You know. So then if something like that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't be able to give up. You just keep

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<v Speaker 1>going and going.

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't, you know, my mom back in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>there were kids at our primary school. I think my

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<v Speaker 2>brother was in great prep, but there was this one

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<v Speaker 2>kid that was a real bully and he punched my

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<v Speaker 2>brother in the stomach one day, and he was just

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<v Speaker 2>making my brother's life. Hell yeah. My mum waited for

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<v Speaker 2>him at the front of the school and when he

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<v Speaker 2>walked out, she grabbed him by his top like imagine

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<v Speaker 2>like you grab him by the top, and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>you put your hand on my son again, I'll kill

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<v Speaker 2>you right now. So loose. In the eighties, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>My god, you could never do that now, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the woman it went viral for bursting into

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter's classroom and threatened to I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>probably too far, but she threatened to slip the throat

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<v Speaker 2>of a fellow classmates because because that girl had been

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<v Speaker 2>making her daughter's life. Hell, her daughter was idle.

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<v Speaker 1>You just go exactly crazy. That's when it's like, hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to fucking kill my kids, So I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to kill you before you can do it. You do

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<v Speaker 1>as a mom, like the thoughts that you have towards

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<v Speaker 1>other kids that hurt your kids or you know, other

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<v Speaker 1>people like that. So you get if somebody murdered your kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking how that was the darkest story that you've ever told.

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<v Speaker 1>I kept waiting for the spin, and there was no spin.

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<v Speaker 1>The love of the mum was beautiful, but it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't on par with the hecticness of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, you know that story now, and you'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell someone else that story.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't. I can't pass that on. It's too sad.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, we need a real mix and

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<v Speaker 1>this is the Lucky Dip Bag. You never know what

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get.

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking shaming me, that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do a poll. We're gonna get out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for listening. We do a podcast

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