Speaker 1: From the Skying Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live Cat. I nice to be
Speaker 2: back in the man Cave. Thank you to everyone in
Speaker 2: Capin Sawis in Bendigo. That is a spectacular part of Australia.
Speaker 2: We've been doing this for a few years now and
Speaker 2: I hope that the message gets through. See Australia. Literally,
Speaker 2: go to the drive in at Charters Towers, go to
Speaker 2: the fish and chip shop at Torquaie. I could name
Speaker 2: them all, and probably we should put together a list,
Speaker 2: but certainly bend to go right up there. The experience
Speaker 2: of the trams and so much more. What a beautiful
Speaker 2: part of Australia. Thank you to everyone for turning up.
Speaker 2: We'll be doing it outdown again next year, so looking
Speaker 2: forward to all of that. Now we're in the twenty
Speaker 2: first century, and remember what the hope of the twenty
Speaker 2: first century was. Now, okay, we haven't quite got the
Speaker 2: flying cars yet, but think about it. It's literally almost
Speaker 2: twenty five years twenty four years to be exact, since
Speaker 2: the Sydney Olympics. Those of us that were lucky enough
Speaker 2: to be alive at the time, remember what that felt like.
Speaker 2: Forget all the white to stuff, this was this giant
Speaker 2: leap forward into the beginning of modernity. For those that
Speaker 2: were old enough to remember TV show on Channel seven
Speaker 2: for years called Beyond two thousand. This was all about
Speaker 2: the future and the future technologies and the robots that
Speaker 2: we're going to take care of us. Well, there we
Speaker 2: are a quarter of the way into the magic of
Speaker 2: the twenty first century. And yes, while there is a
Speaker 2: device that means you can video call someone on the
Speaker 2: other side of the world, and there's probably a technology
Speaker 2: that is incredible, there is some ridiculous stuff as well.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow in and around Sydney parts of New South Wales,
Speaker 2: it's going to be hot the day after bloody hot,
Speaker 2: pushing the best part of forty now. Of course, this
Speaker 2: will not be the first day between now and the
Speaker 2: end of summer, and it won't just be Sydney. This
Speaker 2: will be something that's going to happen all over the country,
Speaker 2: you know, summer and people have the right in twenty
Speaker 2: first century Australia to use the technology that has been
Speaker 2: invented a long time before the twenty first century to
Speaker 2: cool themselves down at the height of a hot day
Speaker 2: or to heat themselves up in the middle of a
Speaker 2: cold night. But amazingly, a quarter of the way into
Speaker 2: the twenty first century, people are being warned not to
Speaker 2: use this technology because it might put too much strain
Speaker 2: on the electricity grid and there might end up being blackouts. Now,
Speaker 2: we've received these warnings multiple times before, and I don't
Speaker 2: know whether the people that are behind the warnings try
Speaker 2: to put them out in order that nothing happens. So
Speaker 2: they turn around and say, look, everything's fine. The system's
Speaker 2: more robust than ever before. But just like every other
Speaker 2: warning that we get about a catastrophic bushfire day that's
Speaker 2: on its way, or any other warning that comes, we've
Speaker 2: got to take it seriously. And the people managing our
Speaker 2: power grids you've just seen have said that there is
Speaker 2: a chance that this stuff is going to not work.
Speaker 2: In the next couple of days. There's millions of people
Speaker 2: turn to a technology that existed before the twenty first
Speaker 2: century to cool down their homes, let alone fans, let
Speaker 2: alone the pool filters that people will go for a swimming.
Speaker 2: The story today was that a EMO remains focused on
Speaker 2: maintaining electricity reliability in both New South Wales and Queensland
Speaker 2: next week, as high temperatures are expected to drive strong
Speaker 2: energy demand and make significant generation unavailability In New South Wales.
Speaker 2: The Energy Ministry in New South Wales was carrying on
Speaker 2: today saying things like, well, do you really need every
Speaker 2: light on? Do you need to have that fan on
Speaker 2: all day? Do you really need the air condition of
Speaker 2: belting away at nineteen degrees when it's forty degrees outside?
Speaker 2: What can I say on the behalf of the people
Speaker 2: who have paid through the nose for power prices for
Speaker 2: the past three years, but for a lot longer than that. Yes,
Speaker 2: we have every right to use every appliance in our
Speaker 2: house whenever we want to. Now, of course, if you
Speaker 2: overuse these appliances, well then the bill is the reason
Speaker 2: why you don't do it. But remember in that Chris
Speaker 2: Human documentary from just a few days ago, there are
Speaker 2: people who are trying to turn off every line and
Speaker 2: not use the air conditioner, and not turn on the
Speaker 2: heater and not turn on the fan, who are being
Speaker 2: billed within less than one hundred dollars of all of
Speaker 2: the money that they have to have access to the
Speaker 2: energy grit. And while much of our conversation and politics
Speaker 2: and the three card Monte trick and the shell game
Speaker 2: of the cost of transition. The reality is that many
Speaker 2: of us are facing huge bills that are not directly
Speaker 2: linked to our actual usage of electricity. This in and
Speaker 2: of itself is the fundamental frustration that Australians have right
Speaker 2: now when it comes to power prices. Now, of course,
Speaker 2: the reason why we are where we are is because
Speaker 2: the coal fire power plans, which have served us so
Speaker 2: well for yes, much of the twentieth and still a
Speaker 2: quarter of the way into the twenty first century, well,
Speaker 2: they've slowly been run down. They've been run down by
Speaker 2: the governments them own them, or the governments that sold
Speaker 2: them off to private companies who have run them down.
Speaker 2: Because you see, while it is the primary source of
Speaker 2: energy for the country, when you're the only one producing it,
Speaker 2: guess what happens It costs more. So, slowly but surely,
Speaker 2: scarcity has been introduced into the market, meaning that whatever
Speaker 2: technology is on at the time is the one that
Speaker 2: can charge through the roof. We've also had a scenario
Speaker 2: where in the past three years, despite the fact that
Speaker 2: Australia is just one percent of global emissions problems, the
Speaker 2: Left has been able to convince more than half of
Speaker 2: all of Australians back in twenty twenty two that part
Speaker 2: of our drastic need to deal with climate change was
Speaker 2: to change from an energy greed that has served saved
Speaker 2: us for a long period of time and replace it
Speaker 2: with one that might into the future. And of course,
Speaker 2: at the same time as we're trying to replace like
Speaker 2: for like ish, there are more people in the country
Speaker 2: than ever before, and there are more things than ever
Speaker 2: before which need electrification, everything from cars to stoves and
Speaker 2: a whole collection of things that even ten years ago
Speaker 2: people were not using. When it comes to electricity, the result,
Speaker 2: of course, has been that the system that has been
Speaker 2: put in place to try to replace the one that
Speaker 2: had worked has not come on fast enough. There is
Speaker 2: not enough solo there are not enough wind farms, and
Speaker 2: there are not enough batteries to be able to replace
Speaker 2: what was being slowly shut down or blown up by
Speaker 2: governments who put simply by doing so, have said, oh,
Speaker 2: this is only one option, and this is the option
Speaker 2: you're all going to have to take, and you're all
Speaker 2: going to have to pay through the nose. And the
Speaker 2: exchange is that a quarter of the way through the
Speaker 2: twenty first century, when it's a hot day in the
Speaker 2: lead up to summer in twenty first century Australia, Please
Speaker 2: don't turn your reconditioner on. In exchange for every other
Speaker 2: day where you don't need your reconditioner, we will charge
Speaker 2: you like wounded bulls, as if you had been leaving
Speaker 2: your conditioner on for twenty four to seven, for three
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five days. No surprise. People have had enough. Now.
Speaker 2: We understand that you don't use the technology of the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties for the solutions of the two thousand and fifties.
Speaker 2: But the idea that Australia is going to change the
Speaker 2: planet because of where we get our energy from is
Speaker 2: just not true. And before someone runs off to the
Speaker 2: umpire and says kind of denialism in stinis primet, I've
Speaker 2: noted that just the facts, China thirty three times the
Speaker 2: polluter that we are in this country, one that is
Speaker 2: planning to pollute plant more between now and twenty thirty
Speaker 2: let alone fifty, let alone sixty. But because Australia is
Speaker 2: part of those countries that have been made to feel
Speaker 2: guilty about the modernity that they embraced a long time before,
Speaker 2: the Chinese countries like Australia, who are one percent of
Speaker 2: the problem. Are being told that they have to up
Speaker 2: the numbers that have produced this ridiculous system that are
Speaker 2: quarter the way into the twenty first century. You are
Speaker 2: being warned by your government to double check that all
Speaker 2: the lights are turned off because God forbid, there may
Speaker 2: not be enough power because of the choices that have
Speaker 2: been made by state and federal governments. Bugger them. Use
Speaker 2: whatever appliance you want to be as comfortable as possible,
Speaker 2: because that absolute truth is just like on the coldest
Speaker 2: of cold days, when somebody doesn't turn on a heater,
Speaker 2: they might get sick. The same could be the case
Speaker 2: when it comes to air conditioning. It is your right,
Speaker 2: it is your availability. It is the modern comforts of
Speaker 2: the twenty first century that you can do it. But
Speaker 2: all of these targets which have seen us make a
Speaker 2: whole collection of decisions. So the front end of the
Speaker 2: plane or the private jet club can go around the
Speaker 2: world to point about how we're so much better than
Speaker 2: the rest of the world, even though wear one percent
Speaker 2: of the world's climate problems. Get ready for an increase
Speaker 2: in even the forty three percent reduction that was put
Speaker 2: in place after the last election, because you see all
Speaker 2: of those countries that get together at those international climate conferences,
Speaker 2: the ones that are so important that apparently Australia should
Speaker 2: bid to host one in Adelaide, But they're so unimportant
Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister has not gone to two of
Speaker 2: the last three, instead sending along that idiot Chris Bowen
Speaker 2: to sign us up to, among other things, compensating countries
Speaker 2: like China for continuing to pollute the atmosphere way worse
Speaker 2: than Australia has ever done. But you see there's a
Speaker 2: little trick that's coming. They know in twenty nineteen that
Speaker 2: a forty five percent reduction target was in part what
Speaker 2: did in Bill Shorten. They knew that they were able
Speaker 2: to squeak over the line forty three percent reduction target
Speaker 2: by twenty thirty because the promise was that your power
Speaker 2: bills would go down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 2: But that's not true, that was never true, but that
Speaker 2: was their promise. And now the chances are that it's
Speaker 2: going to be a lot higher. And if we go
Speaker 2: into a minority government. The Teals won seventy five percent,
Speaker 2: the Greens won higher than seventy five percent, So that's
Speaker 2: why When the Prime Minister is asked this question today,
Speaker 2: you should pay deep attention to his answer because under
Speaker 2: their current plan, which is law law, if it's hot,
Speaker 2: they're telling you you can't use your air conditioner because
Speaker 2: the entire grid might collapse.
Speaker 3: Labor has refused to announce when it will release it's
Speaker 3: twenty thirty five emissions reduction target at COP twenty nine,
Speaker 3: Minister Bowen said next year, when we bring forward our
Speaker 3: nationally determined contributions, we must all strength and efforts and
Speaker 3: deliver our highest possible ambition. Why is the Albanese Labor
Speaker 3: government keeping its target a secret? And can the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister guarantee that it won't lead to increased energy prices
Speaker 3: for Australian families?
Speaker 2: Perfect question, right, the Prime Minister, though, turning around and
Speaker 2: saying why he will not announce what the next version
Speaker 2: of this stuff is with all of the same consequences
Speaker 2: that have been here for the past three years, knowing
Speaker 2: that it would become electorally unpalatable to people, hoping that
Speaker 2: what really will be the case is that, just like
Speaker 2: Julia Gillard before the election, you say there will be
Speaker 2: no climate tax and no climate carbin. There we go
Speaker 2: tax under the government I lead only to deliver one
Speaker 2: because we're in a minority government. The Greens tell us
Speaker 2: we have to do so or I wouldn't be in
Speaker 2: government anymore. That's their hope coming out of the next
Speaker 2: election is that the Teals and the Greens will push
Speaker 2: them way further than the Australia in public is willing
Speaker 2: to accept. Otherwise, the entire Parliament would be full of
Speaker 2: Teals and Greens. But because they're ten or less than
Speaker 2: ten percent in the Australian population, the far left tail
Speaker 2: will wag Elbow's dog, and he's come up with a
Speaker 2: spectacular way of pretending that he doesn't have to tell
Speaker 2: you what the number is going to be for the
Speaker 2: next three years. Here he was in response to the
Speaker 2: question in Parliament today.
Speaker 4: One of the provisions that was carried with amendments was
Speaker 4: that the Climate Change Authority had to give us advice
Speaker 4: about future targets.
Speaker 2: That is the law. That is the law.
Speaker 4: The Climate Change Authority gives us the advice based upon
Speaker 4: the science science, and then we announced the target based
Speaker 4: upon the science consistent with getting to net zero by
Speaker 4: twenty fifty.
Speaker 2: That's the process. But who's the person in charge of
Speaker 2: the Climate Authority. Oh, that's right, it's this guy, the
Speaker 2: guy who of course was formerly part of the New
Speaker 2: South Wales government. Now standing side by side with the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, he will be the one who the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister will say, well, we have to do what he
Speaker 2: says because he's decided what the target is. And what
Speaker 2: happened when that blog was in charge of the New
Speaker 2: South Wales energy system, the very same system that people
Speaker 2: tomorrow are being told not to turn on their air conditioner.
Speaker 2: What was his stewardship of that system? Well, funnily enough,
Speaker 2: we have the tape and here's the pressing of play.
Speaker 1: So what we want to say is if there is
Speaker 1: an opportunity for people to reduce their energy usage, so
Speaker 1: perhaps not using the dishwasher until you go to bed
Speaker 1: that would help.
Speaker 2: This is garbage. This is garbage. For as long as
Speaker 2: there has been a power bill, Australians have been doing
Speaker 2: their best to try to conserve the amount of energy
Speaker 2: that they use. We all know the joke about the
Speaker 2: dad walking around saying, oh, bloody hell, do I live
Speaker 2: in some sort of a factory? Year off the light
Speaker 2: turn off, the light turn off, the loa dow do
Speaker 2: we really we get that we've all lived with it,
Speaker 2: we all slowly become that person as the year's roll
Speaker 2: on and we're the one's paying the bills. But when
Speaker 2: the people who are turning off all the lights, not
Speaker 2: using the air conditioner, using as little power as they
Speaker 2: possibly can, remember the blow that we showed you from
Speaker 2: a current affair who walked outside his house every day
Speaker 2: and turned it off at the switchboard to try to
Speaker 2: save money. Yet his power bill stick keeps going up
Speaker 2: for a system that doesn't work anymore. Then, surprise, surprise,
Speaker 2: Australians will wake up. They will stick their middle finger
Speaker 2: and they will say, I get it. We're part of
Speaker 2: a globe, and we'd all love the globe to go
Speaker 2: on forever, and we love a better environment. But bugger
Speaker 2: you that I have to sit there on the coldest
Speaker 2: day or the hottest day, sweating or shivering so you
Speaker 2: can feel better when you go to an international conference.
Speaker 2: Bugger you use whatever you want because you're paying for
Speaker 2: it anyway. As for the prime, not another good day
Speaker 2: for him. He's running out of them before the next election.
Speaker 2: Now I stand by my predictions that look, you got
Speaker 2: to see what happens with the Taels. This bloke obviously
Speaker 2: deserves to go, but we'll all see what happens. Believe me,
Speaker 2: even when the crickets on. Keep watching the show until
Speaker 2: we're done at the end of the year. Series link
Speaker 2: it from the start of the year, because I've got
Speaker 2: a feeling the second we we're all back to work
Speaker 2: in January, maybe even before we're going to be off
Speaker 2: to on an election. So it doesn't matter what sports on.
Speaker 2: Make sure you are watching this show. Okay, if you've
Speaker 2: got the Foxtel box series link. If you watch us
Speaker 2: on Flash, favorite the show. If you're watching us on YouTube,
Speaker 2: subscribe to the channel because there's going to be a
Speaker 2: lot happening while the government hopes that you are not
Speaker 2: paying attention. And I don't want this summer to be
Speaker 2: like last summer where people are being kept in the
Speaker 2: dark metaphorically yet still being fed the diet of a mushroom.
Speaker 2: This government has decided that they are going to try
Speaker 2: to land seventy six planes in one week in Federal Parliament,
Speaker 2: seventy six pieces of legislation that it will, of course
Speaker 2: make life tougher, more expensive, more regulation or create new
Speaker 2: systems where the government isn't responsible for anything. We certainly
Speaker 2: know that one of those that hit the deck hard
Speaker 2: was the want to censor the Internet, something that of
Speaker 2: course was formally withdrawn from the Senate today. Our guest
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, one of those who was cockerhoop and happy
Speaker 2: that they failed on one of the seventy six, just.
Speaker 5: Wanted to take the opportunity to celebrate the great victory
Speaker 5: for free speech that has been struck this morning. This
Speaker 5: bill was the most anti democratic piece of legislation ever
Speaker 5: come before this Parliament and I want to say thank
Speaker 5: you to those thousands of Australians that gave up their
Speaker 5: free time to fight for the basic rights of all Australians,
Speaker 5: including future Australians.
Speaker 2: As for the Labor Party, now they didn't remove this
Speaker 2: because they saw the error of their ways. They are
Speaker 2: still sooking. There are still people that are sitting around
Speaker 2: that Cabinet table who hope that should they be returned
Speaker 2: at the next election, that this garbage comes back.
Speaker 6: It's very disappointing that again we see that teaming up
Speaker 6: between Peter Dutton and the Greens to block legislation that
Speaker 6: Labor is attempting to pass, and that the community support.
Speaker 6: I think about eighty percent of the Australian community would
Speaker 6: agree that misinformation and disinformation online and on social media
Speaker 6: is a really serious issue that the Parliament should come
Speaker 6: together on.
Speaker 2: I want you to remember this going into the next
Speaker 2: election when it comes to what you do with your
Speaker 2: number one vote and what you do with your preferences,
Speaker 2: because by what they had to vote, say, they had
Speaker 2: to vote and not some legal document you have to follow.
Speaker 2: You're in charge of your preferences. You decide what happens
Speaker 2: with them. And I want you to remember that it
Speaker 2: was the Labor Party who tried to censor the Internet,
Speaker 2: and I want you to remember every one of these
Speaker 2: politicians who stood up when it was in the Lower
Speaker 2: House and agreed with the idea of censoring the Internet.
Speaker 2: Roll that one.
Speaker 7: The Internet enabled instant communication, but in doing so has
Speaker 7: exposed us to unforeseen social risk, eroded public trust in
Speaker 7: traditional democratic institutions, and left us questioning the nature of
Speaker 7: truth itself.
Speaker 8: And a big part of the reason that we've seen
Speaker 8: an erosion in trust in our institutions has been because
Speaker 8: the spread of miths and disinformation has been allowed to
Speaker 8: flourish in this country.
Speaker 9: But They can also be used in ways that pose
Speaker 9: a threat to democratic processes through disinformation campaigns that undermine
Speaker 9: trust in public institutions and exacerbate divisions within society.
Speaker 2: All the sales, all the Greens. Remember, these are the
Speaker 2: people that want to be the tail that wags the
Speaker 2: prime ministerial dog after the election. The people who want
Speaker 2: to put forward massive changes to our power grid, but
Speaker 2: wouldn't dare have a single solar panel disrupt one of
Speaker 2: the doggy parks in their electorates. These are the people
Speaker 2: who want to ban you from being able to see
Speaker 2: something that is not officially signed off by the government
Speaker 2: as the truth of the day. What could possibly go
Speaker 2: wrong with all of this? The Prime Minister, of course,
Speaker 2: has changed the subject. He thinks that the big winner
Speaker 2: is not the plan to censor the Internet for adults,
Speaker 2: but instead to ban certain parts of the Internet for
Speaker 2: people under the age of sixteen. Prime Minister patting himself
Speaker 2: on the back as they start to move quickly through
Speaker 2: the Parliament this week to ban kids' access to certain
Speaker 2: social media platforms.
Speaker 4: I've seen people point out that nowhere else in the
Speaker 4: world has this been done yet, and that's true, But
Speaker 4: I also know that every serious government in the world
Speaker 4: is grappling with this issue and looking to take action.
Speaker 4: And when it comes to the well being of our
Speaker 4: young people, I don't want to way around on the
Speaker 4: rest of the world. Oh in Australia to be one
Speaker 4: of the leading nations in the world a.
Speaker 2: Bit of a step down, isn't it. This is the
Speaker 2: bloke who wanted to change the constitution twelve months ago
Speaker 2: and that would be his signature legacy. Instead it's about
Speaker 2: what apps people will be allowed to use in the country.
Speaker 2: More to talk about with Matt Canavan at a moment
Speaker 2: or two is time. But while he's patting himself on
Speaker 2: the back about how incredible this peaceful legislation is and
Speaker 2: how it's going to save a whole bunch of kids,
Speaker 2: he wanted to leave a little asterisk one that means
Speaker 2: when inevitably people break this law, when inevitably people misuse
Speaker 2: social media, and when inevitably the bullying that has taken
Speaker 2: too many lives will continue to take lives. He's got
Speaker 2: a little bit of wiggle room.
Speaker 4: I've seen people say the law won't fix everything, and
Speaker 4: it won't work in every situation.
Speaker 2: That's correct.
Speaker 4: You can't have perfect law in an area like this
Speaker 4: relating to technology that will work one hundred percent perfectly,
Speaker 4: one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 2: Oh no, hang on, han't do we have a song
Speaker 2: for that? We find the guy who's got no responsibility
Speaker 2: despite having the ultimate responsibility. Get ready for the top dance.
Speaker 10: Go go go, go, go go go, am My fault.
Speaker 2: That's the way he plays. That's the song ringing in
Speaker 2: his head each and every day. There was a one
Speaker 2: day investigation into this today in the Senate. Important legislation
Speaker 2: that we desperately need, and every single other government is
Speaker 2: looking at us. But the total amount of scrutiny one day,
Speaker 2: one day. People were told on Thursday that they had
Speaker 2: till Friday to fill out the forms to turn up
Speaker 2: and they had one day to give their evidence today.
Speaker 2: And guests who blew a giant hole in one of
Speaker 2: the things that is not banned under this legislation for
Speaker 2: the third time I mentioned him, Matt Canavan, who's on
Speaker 2: the show tonight.
Speaker 5: But if YouTube's covered, I mean there's a video sharing
Speaker 5: for non explicit content video content, Well, wouldn't pornhuborn cover?
Speaker 1: I think they have very different purposes.
Speaker 5: We'll explain that to me, Sorry, I think this is.
Speaker 2: Under the definition we wouldn't see porn hub as falling
Speaker 2: within scope. They got no idea what they're doing. There
Speaker 2: were multiple psychologists who argued both sides of this thing. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm very much on the record about how pernicious and
Speaker 2: how nasty and how evil social media is and how
Speaker 2: rotting it is to our kids. But the idea that
Speaker 2: the world is watching us to take the first step
Speaker 2: towards banning these things, and the amount of effort that
Speaker 2: they're putting into it is four fifty bugger all as
Speaker 2: they're trying to get a win in the end of
Speaker 2: a political year which has been filled with losses, should
Speaker 2: frighten everyone. The idea that we're going to set up
Speaker 2: this whole system to make sure that a thirteen year
Speaker 2: old can't get access to TikTok, but no such system
Speaker 2: will exist for the kid to be able to watch
Speaker 2: horrific pornography which changes their entire perceptions about their own
Speaker 2: physicality and the expression of their sexuality. Where there are
Speaker 2: plenty of psychologists who have spoken about that tells us
Speaker 2: everything about how they have rushing into this thing. They're
Speaker 2: rushing in too hard and they're doing it literally so
Speaker 2: they can have a win, which surprise, surprise, is all
Speaker 2: about them and never really about you, your kids or
Speaker 2: your grandkids. But apparently the big issue in Parliament today
Speaker 2: we had to be told was that Lydia Thorpe and
Speaker 2: Marine Ferruki believe that there needs to be a state
Speaker 2: inquiry that would go longer for a day into the
Speaker 2: banning of what apps our kids are allowed to have
Speaker 2: or not have, and it should be into racism in
Speaker 2: the parliament. That apparently, racism and sexism is the single
Speaker 2: biggest worry in and around the corridors of Parliament. Not
Speaker 2: cost of living, not the constituents of whom they work, No, no, no,
Speaker 2: here they are.
Speaker 11: First Lydia thought we know too well from the beginning
Speaker 11: of coming into this so called workplace that it's simply
Speaker 11: not safe if you're a woman of color. Now, just
Speaker 11: last week you saw a black woman, a black senator
Speaker 11: with a black loud mouth, loud and proud, get shut
Speaker 11: down and sensh it. Well, I do wear that with
Speaker 11: a badge of honor.
Speaker 2: Please please, Oh, the system was going after the loud
Speaker 2: and player of blackness. Please. The system didn't even brush
Speaker 2: you with a letter sleep let alone a little whack
Speaker 2: on the wrist for screaming at the king. Oh, I
Speaker 2: hate the colony, but geez I love when the pay
Speaker 2: turns up on the fifteenth of each month for her
Speaker 2: partner in Ferruki.
Speaker 12: When you dare call out racism and the double standards
Speaker 12: used in this place, you are shut down, you're silenced,
Speaker 12: and you are diaslighted. If there is any workplace that
Speaker 12: needs unpacking of white fragility and white privilege, it is
Speaker 12: right here in this Parliament.
Speaker 2: To something way more important than that rubbish Parliament. Tonight
Speaker 2: is lit up in orange part of I think a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks of recognition about the problems of domestic
Speaker 2: violence that exists in this country and around the world.
Speaker 2: And yes, too many women die, and too many people
Speaker 2: are assaulted, and men are too and there is no
Speaker 2: one whoever wants to down play anything to do with
Speaker 2: this area because we all know how damn important it is.
Speaker 2: And today in question Time, knowing that this was the
Speaker 2: start of a week focused on all of this, he
Speaker 2: had both sides of politics. I think Peter Dutton was
Speaker 2: away for family reasons today, saying the obvious.
Speaker 4: We think of every woman robbed of the future she
Speaker 4: had every right to live. Every death is its own
Speaker 4: universe of devastation.
Speaker 3: And today we don't just condemn the violence. We go
Speaker 3: further and recommit ourselves to the aim of eliminating gender
Speaker 3: based violence because we cannot and should not accept this violence.
Speaker 3: And today is about committing ourselves to that task.
Speaker 2: Great good who could disagree. While all of that was happening,
Speaker 2: the most recent insight into this issue was playing out
Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory. The coroner in the Northern Territory
Speaker 2: was investigating multiple women's debts that were linked back to
Speaker 2: the violence that was allegedly perpetrated by their partners. This
Speaker 2: is rough, This is tough, but I'll save you from
Speaker 2: the worst of the details. He's Matt Cunningham trying to
Speaker 2: explain it for you.
Speaker 13: Senior police and victims' families listened. Coroner Elizabeth Armitage delivered
Speaker 13: her findings into the deaths of four Aboriginal women killed
Speaker 13: by their violent partners. She described domestic violence in the
Speaker 13: Northern Territory as a national shame, detailing how another eight
Speaker 13: women and one sister girl had been killed since June
Speaker 13: one this year.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the inconvenient truth of many of the numbers
Speaker 2: that people talk about in and around this issue. It's
Speaker 2: something that just Centerprice has been bravely talking about long
Speaker 2: before she was in the Federal Parliament. But once she
Speaker 2: got to the Federal Parliament, she brought with her women
Speaker 2: who had stories of what was happening in their communities.
Speaker 2: Remember that when she went door to door, no one
Speaker 2: wanted to interview them. We did. We talked about it.
Speaker 2: We spoke to you, sinner, and we've spoken about this
Speaker 2: issue for a long time. There is no better report
Speaker 2: are in the country on this stuff than Matt Cunningham
Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory. And it's a privilege to work
Speaker 2: for the same joint as him. Indigenous women are far
Speaker 2: more at risk of domestic violence, according to the statistics,
Speaker 2: than anyone else in our country. That's not me making
Speaker 2: it up. You can go to left wing academic websites
Speaker 2: like The Conversation to make that point. We're According to
Speaker 2: the recent analysis, Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander women were
Speaker 2: thirty two times more likely to be hospitalized for an
Speaker 2: injury associated with violence than non Indigenous women. There are
Speaker 2: eight times. They are eight times more likely to be
Speaker 2: the victim of homicide. This figure is higher in some
Speaker 2: areas such as Western Australia. We're recorded Aboriginal mothers, which
Speaker 2: recorded Aboriginal mothers as seventeen and a half times more
Speaker 2: likely to be the victim of homicide. So to all
Speaker 2: of those that quite correc will have their lunches, have
Speaker 2: their brunches, have their conversations and write their articles, please
Speaker 2: talk about this inconvenient truth. There are serious problems that
Speaker 2: exist in the Indigenous communities when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 2: I remember sitting at a symposium of forum, a thing
Speaker 2: that justinter Price was at, and a collection of other
Speaker 2: strong Indigenous women were and they spoke right to the
Speaker 2: heart when they said that white women have had their
Speaker 2: revolution to be respected, but in their view, Indigenous women
Speaker 2: had not been. This is in part why Australians voted
Speaker 2: the way they did twelve months ago. But this is
Speaker 2: part of our national shame. Yet, I bet this is
Speaker 2: the first time you're hearing about any of these statistics.
Speaker 2: No one will give this speech in Parliament, with the
Speaker 2: exception of someone like Jacinta. The idea that Lydia Thorpe
Speaker 2: is the one getting shut down as a proud loud
Speaker 2: black woman when the one who's actually speaking up or
Speaker 2: the proud Indigenous women who don't have the same voice.
Speaker 2: It's just enter price. Is why we've got to keep
Speaker 2: our eyes on the real stories, the real issues here.
Speaker 2: Apparently today the issue was racism in our federal parliament.
Speaker 2: Can you believe it? That's their priority today. That's why
Speaker 2: they held a press conference and that got to run
Speaker 2: in the media. Anyone going back and having a look
Speaker 2: at those statistics, Oh, just some typical evil way of
Speaker 2: a right wing talksure hosts trying to change you know,
Speaker 2: the usual garbage. You want to talk about gas lighting.
Speaker 2: It's not that chat anytime. Two different things now, as
Speaker 2: we move towards Christmas, Christmas lights and I love the tradition,
Speaker 2: I've never quite got the ability to do it at
Speaker 2: my own house. I think about it all the time.
Speaker 2: I know my dad is good at apt but I
Speaker 2: just never so in the end, a little bit in
Speaker 2: anny inflatable Homer done. However, there are those who, of
Speaker 2: course fully commit to all matters to do with Christmas lights.
Speaker 2: But guess what complaints mean? The best one in Brisbane
Speaker 2: won't be up this year, and guess what the best
Speaker 2: one in Melbourne at Bayside. That won't be up either,
Speaker 2: Why because somebody complains who are these people and who
Speaker 2: are the councils to give? In meantime, in a bit
Speaker 2: of pop culture, two big movies this weekend. It battled
Speaker 2: it out. It was this year's version of the Barbie
Speaker 2: and Oppenheimer thing where the ladies like to go to
Speaker 2: Barbie and the blokes went to Oppenheim. It reality was
Speaker 2: lots went to both. Wicked, which is the prequel to
Speaker 2: The Wizard of Oz, was on as well as Gladiator two,
Speaker 2: which I think they could have come up with a
Speaker 2: better name, but still any chance for a bit of sword,
Speaker 2: sandals and gust. Well, guess what collectively about a quarter
Speaker 2: of a billion dollars at the box office more people
Speaker 2: saw Wicked than Gladiator two. We'll see what happens in
Speaker 2: the long run, but two good reasons to go the movies.
Speaker 2: A third, by the way, can I just explain this
Speaker 2: to There's an amazing movie outstarts the beautiful, wonderful, incredible
Speaker 2: Kate Winslin. It's called Lee, and it's about the only
Speaker 2: female war photographer in World War Two. Kate Winsor deserves
Speaker 2: every award she's going to get for it. It's got
Speaker 2: connections back to Australia. Australians wrote it and made it.
Speaker 2: It's technically some of an Australian film, and for once
Speaker 2: an Australian film. You want to go and see Yes,
Speaker 2: Tough Stuff because it's about a war. But now you
Speaker 2: got three films to go and see Wicked, Lady out
Speaker 2: A two and Lee. Please see Lee this week because
Speaker 2: it will probably disappear from cinema sooner rather than later
Speaker 2: so they can make room for Wicked and all the
Speaker 2: rest of it. And finally, Lefty MSNBC in the United States,
Speaker 2: you may have heard by now that it's a parent company,
Speaker 2: Comcast is thinking about well punting it. In fact, they're
Speaker 2: pulling together all of their cable channels, pushing them off
Speaker 2: into a separate business and hopefully selling that business off.
Speaker 2: Guess who might buy it? Old made Elon Musk is
Speaker 2: openly talking about the idea of buying the super lefty
Speaker 2: network just to sack some of these people. I'm sure
Speaker 2: many would dream to do the same with us, but
Speaker 2: still you get the point. As for CNN, unaffected by
Speaker 2: this scenario, they're worried about the democracy, the democrasty.
Speaker 14: Some inside MSMBC are taking must comments seriously, whether he's
Speaker 14: trolling or not. There is a serious undercurrent to this,
Speaker 14: and it is the following in some countries where we've
Speaker 14: seen democratic backsiding, where some oppositional media outlets have been
Speaker 14: captured by the government process known as media capture. This
Speaker 14: is exactly what happens a ally of the leader like
Speaker 14: Musk comes in and buys a media outlet that is
Speaker 14: viewed as oppositional, and then he turns the content and
Speaker 14: makes it more friendly to the person in power.
Speaker 2: Humpty dumpty place place. All of this is the silence
Speaker 2: of the media, like it's going to be Russia. I'll
Speaker 2: give you the tip. Just like the Washington Post ended
Speaker 2: up getting bought by a lifty billionaire. Most likely, even
Speaker 2: if HeLa Musk buys MSNBC, a lifty billion name will
Speaker 2: start something else. You see, that's the joy of capitalism. Well, unsurprisingly,
Speaker 2: the stations that stick around for the longest are the
Speaker 2: ones who are where the mainstream is not just war.
Speaker 2: The nutbags like that blow Car who leave half their
Speaker 2: life on Twitter for their life watching television to talk
Speaker 2: about it on Twitter quick break back with morn You're
Speaker 2: on Paul Murray Live. Matt Canavan, I mentioned him plenty.
Speaker 2: He's got lots of talk about Sam Crosby too. Glad
Speaker 2: you're watching this Monday night, and thanks again to everyone
Speaker 2: in Bendigate. We're off and racing for a great week tonight,
Speaker 2: all right, looking forward to this in the mank tonight,
Speaker 2: the wonderful Sam Crosby, who I've got to say he's
Speaker 2: got a great job ahead of him tonight because he's
Speaker 2: taking on a bloke who's making years and got three
Speaker 2: shoutouts in the editorial. Three shoutouts, it was noticed, is
Speaker 2: common sensor at Canavan Senator of course from Queensland taking
Speaker 2: it all record. Is that a record made? I reckon,
Speaker 2: you're right up there, like short of the Orange Man.
Speaker 2: You're about as close to three shoutouts and an editory scene.
Speaker 5: I'll happily stand next to him.
Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about there is and process
Speaker 2: really matters? Right? And I am sitting here thinking, look,
Speaker 2: we should spend five minutes on the idea that something
Speaker 2: as consequential as this had one day investigation in the
Speaker 2: Federal Parliament. We're literally there were two psychologists. There was
Speaker 2: a highlight on the Channel nine news, one psychologist saying
Speaker 2: great idea, one psychologist saying bad idea. Right, They, of course,
Speaker 2: were only given one day's notice to put it all together,
Speaker 2: and Matt was in the room asking some of the
Speaker 2: probing questions before we get to the benefits or otherwise
Speaker 2: of what is being proposed to here. Matt, you also
Speaker 2: sort of you know, the rhetorical bazooka came out and bang,
Speaker 2: hold straight through the middle when you said, yeah, cool, okay,
Speaker 2: I get it about TikTok? Why are we banning that?
Speaker 2: I was terrible for children? Why are we're doing it
Speaker 2: for Instagram? He has terrible for chilren, terrible for children
Speaker 2: anyway about porn Hub, like you know, the papers in
Speaker 2: the air, they had no idea. What made you think
Speaker 2: of that?
Speaker 5: Actually it was instigated by Senator Malcolm Roberts who started
Speaker 5: the conversation. There can I just pause briefly, though, Paul,
Speaker 5: I do want to take a breath and thank everybody
Speaker 5: who helped defeat that terrible misinformation bill. Moving straight on
Speaker 5: the one, I just want to thank all your viewers,
Speaker 5: lots of them. I know where took up this fight,
Speaker 5: and not only did we defeat it, we absolutely buried
Speaker 5: it today with every senator in the Australian Parliament voting
Speaker 5: to discharge it from the notice paper. So what a result.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much to everybody. So look on this.
Speaker 5: I mean this is a consequence I think of a
Speaker 5: rough job the government has. The reason I was asking
Speaker 5: that question is that the definition of social media platforms
Speaker 5: includes pretty much everything. So if you read it, it's
Speaker 5: just interaction between two people online, So it could cover Strava,
Speaker 5: it could cover up Pinterest, it can cover obviously explicit websites.
Speaker 5: And then what the government's going to do is exclude
Speaker 5: a bunch of things. With a minister or power, that's
Speaker 5: the equivalent of a blank check to just go through
Speaker 5: and say okay, we'll exclude YouTube. They're saying that she's
Speaker 5: going to reinclude Snapchat somehow because snapchat's actually out, because
Speaker 5: later on it says messaging apps are out, but what's happened,
Speaker 5: signal will be out. It's all a dog's breakfast and
Speaker 5: a mess I just wish we had more time. There's
Speaker 5: a law that's just gone through Florida, through the Great
Speaker 5: Ron DeSantis early year that did go through a proper process.
Speaker 5: Ron actually rejected the first proposal that came to him
Speaker 5: from Congress, went back. They had to bit back and forth,
Speaker 5: and they've got a very targeted definition of what social
Speaker 5: media platforms are that looks at things like infinite scrolling,
Speaker 5: the ability to like things, the sort of things that
Speaker 5: might psychologically impact young children, rather than trying to just
Speaker 5: blanket van everything on the Internet. I think we should
Speaker 5: be looking at those alternative models. But instead of this
Speaker 5: ridiculous Christmas timeline, we've given it three days for a
Speaker 5: Senate quarry. We've received fifteen thousand submissions in twenty four hours. Wow,
Speaker 5: fifteen thousand submission of twenty four hours, and of course
Speaker 5: we're just not going to be able to look at
Speaker 5: it anywhere near any of them. And so this is
Speaker 5: not the Parliament's finest hour. And I don't know why
Speaker 5: we can't just take a breath and come back to
Speaker 5: this next year and get it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, it feels to me like it's
Speaker 2: a government trying to find something to salvage from the
Speaker 2: term to be able to go to an election because
Speaker 2: they have no plans on returning to the Parliament. But
Speaker 2: Sam the sands seemed to be shifting here a little
Speaker 2: right where I think you would get pretty majority supported
Speaker 2: to barbecue about, hey, should we do something about our
Speaker 2: kids on social media? Right? The process, however, kind of
Speaker 2: matters here. What do you think about the arguments that
Speaker 2: Matt's putting up about that. You know, unless you're going
Speaker 2: to take the time to actually try to define this stuff, well,
Speaker 2: then there's stuff that clearly you can become a member
Speaker 2: and send a message on that.
Speaker 1: Should also be it is a really difficult area, and
Speaker 1: you know, to Matt substantive point, I think it should
Speaker 1: be slowed down and they should take some time. I
Speaker 1: get why the government leading into an election would want
Speaker 1: to have, as you say, something to hang their hat on.
Speaker 1: That said, this is probably not going to be a
Speaker 1: vote turning issue. If it gets it right. If it
Speaker 1: goes terribly wrong, then sure you're going to have a
Speaker 1: lot of very angry parents.
Speaker 2: And it also doesn't kick in. I should say to
Speaker 2: everyone till twenty twenty six. People should go that it's
Speaker 2: not about passes tomorrow and then your kids have to
Speaker 2: delete the apps.
Speaker 1: But when you think through what the issues out that
Speaker 1: people will turn their votes on, you know, it's economy,
Speaker 1: it's defense, it's health, it's education, its energy prices, it's
Speaker 1: a few of those sort of things, and they are
Speaker 1: the sort of things that will light up a voter
Speaker 1: going into into the polling bird. I just you know,
Speaker 1: this is the sort of thing that will light up
Speaker 1: a barbecue conversation, but probably not a vote changing conversation.
Speaker 1: So I think they should, you know, to Matt's point,
Speaker 1: and he made it very well, sort of sit down
Speaker 1: and take the time and think through this about. You know,
Speaker 1: my daughter, for instance, says, I don't care if you
Speaker 1: ban me from She's she's twelve, and you know, a
Speaker 1: visceral opponent of this. She's right, she blamed She blames
Speaker 1: her mother, a minister in the state government, for banning
Speaker 1: her from this.
Speaker 2: Now for his moving. We keep saying, it's not the state.
Speaker 2: It's not the state, Charlotte, it's not.
Speaker 1: But you know, she keeps explaining, Look, she doesn't use
Speaker 1: Snapchat as a scrolling feature. She uses the messaging app
Speaker 1: to talk to all friends. So it's these little things
Speaker 1: that you do need to sort of think through and
Speaker 1: get on top off well, and also.
Speaker 2: Don't forget to you know that when we talk about
Speaker 2: the bullying side of things, and there's plenty of that
Speaker 2: in around at the moment. It is the thing that
Speaker 2: parents fear is that the bullying that might happen at
Speaker 2: school follows you home in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: And that is any form of the messaging right, the
Speaker 2: capacity to have so everything from your Facebook messenger through
Speaker 2: to whatever you can communicate with. But you know, with
Speaker 2: a group of people all at once, that becomes part
Speaker 2: of the problem as well.
Speaker 1: But Mad's point about it.
Speaker 2: So the kids, Yeah, so the bullying continues.
Speaker 5: But so the kids can just switch to that that
Speaker 5: is exactly the same app.
Speaker 1: But the pornography is a really good point, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's widespread agreement that you don't
Speaker 1: want kids going on these websites. You know, at what
Speaker 1: stage do you draw the line and where do you
Speaker 1: draw the line? I think it's worthwhile having that writtenversation.
Speaker 13: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, Matt again, you know, one of the most dangerous
Speaker 2: things you can ever do is wonder out loud live
Speaker 2: on the air because people say, well on stage, but
Speaker 2: I am going to wonder out loud for a seton
Speaker 2: to hear right possible solution to what they are talking
Speaker 2: about is that no one under the age of eighteen
Speaker 2: can own a smartphone. They're going to own a dumb phone,
Speaker 2: but they can't own a smartphone, meaning that they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have the physical technology to access all of these things.
Speaker 5: Well, of course they still could through a computer, but
Speaker 5: that's a lot more clunky. But look, yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: I don't support that.
Speaker 2: I want to nothing.
Speaker 5: I think I think you know one thing, one thing,
Speaker 5: I do support limitations here on social media. I wish
Speaker 5: we got this right. I think one thing that seems
Speaker 5: to be just a little absent from the conversation is
Speaker 5: if you search through the entire bill, there's not a
Speaker 5: single mention of the word parent.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: And I do think there's a role for parents here,
Speaker 5: Like I'm not. I'm not completely saying it's all up
Speaker 5: to parents, because I realized they're getting smashed and there's
Speaker 5: a role perhaps for God but to provide some help
Speaker 5: and guidance and assistance here. But but not no role
Speaker 5: at all seems strange to me. So again that Florida. Sorry,
Speaker 5: sorry to go back to that, but I think it
Speaker 5: was done through a proper process. It allows kids that
Speaker 5: are fifteen or sixteen, So four aying or fifteen to
Speaker 5: continue social media with parental consent. There's a process there
Speaker 5: for primal consent. My wife and I we've decided once
Speaker 5: kids get to high school, we'll let them have a phone.
Speaker 5: They're on the bus, we can communicate with them and
Speaker 5: we talk to them about what they can and can't
Speaker 5: use it. For some aps they can't use. But you know,
Speaker 5: I look, it hasn't we haven't had a problem. But
Speaker 5: every family is different, and I just don't like the
Speaker 5: idea of government coming along and having these blanket bands.
Speaker 5: There are some really positive aspects of kids using social
Speaker 5: media too. I mean there's a young kid, Leo Pulzi.
Speaker 5: He's a competitor of yours in a way. Paul is
Speaker 5: doing his six News you know, I think he's doing
Speaker 5: great work, like yeah, very yeah, yeah, he's interviewed. He
Speaker 5: interviewed the Prime Minister on Twitter when he was fourteen,
Speaker 5: and now the PM is trying to ban other fortnight
Speaker 5: yearls are doing the same. It seems. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the age is also something that should be investigated.
Speaker 1: I know the process that the Prime Minister went through
Speaker 1: to get this was to devolve responsibit essentially to the states,
Speaker 1: to ask them, and it's sort of filtered.
Speaker 2: It's pretty high.
Speaker 1: But sixteen is pretty high. You know, you think about
Speaker 1: we let kids work in this country. I think it's
Speaker 1: what fourteen and nine months or something in that order.
Speaker 1: So we're saying that you can work and earn money
Speaker 1: and pay tax at fourteen.
Speaker 2: It just feels a bit hoth. Well, we're also saying
Speaker 2: that you can have you.
Speaker 5: Can join the party when you're fourteen.
Speaker 2: Correct, but you can do puberty blockers, but you can't
Speaker 2: talk about it on the internet. Yeah, exactly, thank you,
Speaker 2: but you appreciate it.
Speaker 5: R another one.
Speaker 2: Let's take an early break. I want to get into
Speaker 2: some other things, including or a quarter of the Way
Speaker 2: through the twenty first century. But tomorrow in New South Wales.
Speaker 2: Don't turn it on me conditionally because it might blow
Speaker 2: up the whole network. I want to see. Thanks thanks
Speaker 2: for watching us in ten minutes before off to the
Speaker 2: late debate. But we'll have our little conversation here of
Speaker 2: total agreement between Sam Crosby and of course Matt Canavan.
Speaker 1: Why do you just assume that Matt and I are
Speaker 1: going to disagree when it comes to energy prices and climate? Now,
Speaker 1: when you're assuming that, yeah, climate, we've been very agreeable
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 2: I have been here before. So Matt, tomorrow parts of
Speaker 2: New South Wales are going to be on their way
Speaker 2: towards forty. Wednesday it will be over forty Queensland again
Speaker 2: a little bit later in the week. Yet a quarter
Speaker 2: of the way into the twenty first century. I say
Speaker 2: it for the nineteenth time we are being told that
Speaker 2: the energy grid will not be able to handle people
Speaker 2: turning on their fans. I do not say it as
Speaker 2: an act of civil disobedience. I just say, you pay
Speaker 2: for the privilege to use them, so use them, all right?
Speaker 2: But Matt, how the he? I mean, we know why
Speaker 2: we got here. But at what point do people turn
Speaker 2: around and say, you know what? Can we not just
Speaker 2: get this little message whenever it's really hot or really cold?
Speaker 5: Well, the basic principle here is if you are worried
Speaker 5: about the weather, if you're worried about the weather becoming
Speaker 5: more extreme, as they say, why would you build a
Speaker 5: power system that is dependent on the weather. That is
Speaker 5: the core problem here. We need Love fifteen should have
Speaker 5: a power system that what do you say in Love fifteen,
Speaker 5: for it's in the middle of his thing scoring it.
Speaker 2: He's just scored fifteen points fifteen. I was trying to
Speaker 2: cheat you on sorry, as I.
Speaker 5: Think I'm the India in the test match at the moment,
Speaker 5: so where was I? But we should have a system,
Speaker 5: a power system with all the natural resources we've got
Speaker 5: against different and weather conditions, and we clearly don't have
Speaker 5: that right now. Probably the most shocking thing about what
Speaker 5: is potentially going to happen this week in you South
Speaker 5: Wales is that it shouldn't be shocking. This is what
Speaker 5: the regulators have been saying now for years and warning
Speaker 5: us of happening, and it's almost now a matter of
Speaker 5: time before they are major blackouts somewhere unless we do
Speaker 5: something different. What are we doing right now in investing
Speaker 5: pretty much exclusively in sol and wind energy is not working?
Speaker 2: The thing is, Sam, We've had these warnings multiple times before,
Speaker 2: and I feel like there's going to be a boy
Speaker 2: who cried Wilf effect around this is that, oh well,
Speaker 2: if we always skate through, then there's oth to see here.
Speaker 2: This is the rubber hitting the road. This is the problem.
Speaker 2: I just think it's an admission of failure when you
Speaker 2: have to tell the citizens that they can't use the utilities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, A core promise of this is had to have
Speaker 1: been you can keep your lights on. Right. When you
Speaker 1: can't deliver on that promise, you've got you've got big problems.
Speaker 1: What I would say is this, The generators that we're
Speaker 1: talking about are forty to fifty minimum forty years old,
Speaker 1: forty fifty sixty years old. You try to run a
Speaker 1: forty fifty year old vintage car twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 1: seven days a week, and see what happens. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just not going to work, right, So you know,
Speaker 1: but take that take that from one side.
Speaker 2: Right, fifteen are at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I agree that renewables only is crazy. I agree where no, no,
Speaker 1: but whereas more points you know. But whereas Matt would
Speaker 1: say we have to build coal fire generators, I would say,
Speaker 1: firm and up with gas, right, okay.
Speaker 2: Gas v COO. Matt, do you agree it's quite gas?
Speaker 5: Maybe we can agree, do you think? But the question
Speaker 5: for Sam, I'm going to use this, let's go, The
Speaker 5: question is do you support do you support the government's
Speaker 5: policy of going to eighty two percent renewalb energy by
Speaker 5: twenty thirty just six years time, really five years time.
Speaker 5: Now that that's doubling what we've got right now in
Speaker 5: just five years. Do you think that's a good idea?
Speaker 1: Honestly, Matt, I'm an educated man. I'm not nearly educated
Speaker 1: enough to say whether or not that's a good idea enough.
Speaker 1: I just don't know, right I.
Speaker 5: Would hope that on the gas question.
Speaker 1: But I would hope that when a minister comes out
Speaker 1: to make that commitment, they've got enough evidence and enough
Speaker 1: scientific weight behind them to give them some confidence. You
Speaker 1: instant answer to question, I would hope, and I would
Speaker 1: trust in the process.
Speaker 2: All Right, you get one last chance to score one
Speaker 2: more point quickly. I'm going to rig it for you
Speaker 2: on the gas question.
Speaker 5: The gas question, they new South Wales and Victoria basically
Speaker 5: banned gas production across fair whole states. And so where
Speaker 5: are we at here? I mean, we just got to
Speaker 5: get back to basics. Use all energy types. Got no
Speaker 5: problems with renewables, but col gas, uranium, everything a lot.
Speaker 5: Let to have energy abundance, Let's have cheaper power process games.
Speaker 2: I've metch championship can event that's bullshit.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I can I just say on that we need
Speaker 1: to take it to a domestic gas reservation scheme. It
Speaker 1: makes no sense that we're shipping all of our gas
Speaker 1: over to manufacturers.
Speaker 2: Overseas and we're not for Australians. I can't reopen the match,
Speaker 2: but you did well. Love your brothers all right, Talking
Speaker 2: to you soon, quick break and back with the late
Speaker 2: debates you tomorrow night, Toller