WEBVTT - Who is Australia’s Zohran Mamdani? 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.440 In America, New York City mayors Or and Mendani has 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:07.600 turned anger over rent, grocery prices and childcare into a 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.320 powerful movement of the left, one with real momentum. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.640 Today, I am proud to announce a collection of essential 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:18.400 steeples that will be predictably thirty percent cheaper at all 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.320 five of our city run grocery stores. We need to 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.720 deliver universal childcare for each and every family across the city, because, 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:29.480 after housing, childcare is the most expensive thing. For too long, 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.200 bad landlords have been allowed to mistreat their tenants with impunity. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:35.080 That ends today. 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.239 In Australia, that same anger is increasingly being captured by 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:45.280 Pauline Hansen and the Popular Stride, while labor retreats towards 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.440 the center. So attention is turning to who in Australia 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.600 could make a Mendani style case for economic change, and 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.800 to whether the Australian left has the organization, discipline and 0:00:55.880 --> 0:01:03.440 ambition to build a movement around them. I'm Daniel James, 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:08.680 and you're listening to seven AM Today. Freelance writer, political 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:12.360 commentator and host of Triple Ar spin Cycle Rachel Withers 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.640 on the political figure the left is searching for and 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:24.840 whether the conditions exist to produce an Australian Memdani. It's 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:32.600 Saturday August one, Rachel, good to see you this week. 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.800 You asked the question where is Australia's zorn and Mendani? 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.840 So you looked at some of his signature policies and 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:43.399 their equivalents here in Australia. Where did you find similar offerings? 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.760 So, I mean, mum Danny has so many policies, but 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.880 I chose to focus on the core, like cost of 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:54.880 living policies, which was the rent freezers, universal childcare, free buses, 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:59.960 city run supermarkets and taxing the ridge. Unsurprisingly, I found 0:01:59.960 --> 0:02:03.760 that the Greens and the socialist parties were the most aligned, 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.960 especially when it came to freezing rents, universal childcare and 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:13.000 taxing the ridge. You have former Greens and PMAX Jailabeker 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.160 who made rent freezers like a huge part of his 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.320 agenda and a huge part of the Greens agenda. 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.800 I wouldn't call it socialism or communism. I'd call it 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.360 what's being done around the world and worked. In fact, 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.360 Victoria froze rents for six months during the pandemic. And 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.560 what we're saying is that right now, we're in a 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.400 worse housing crisis than we were during the pandemic, and 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.280 so we need an equally urgent national response to rent. 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.600 And the Greens are still actually calling for them. They 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.600 most recently called to one in response to the fuel crisis. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.760 We should be implementing rent caps and real rights for renters, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.840 longer leases, actual minimum standards so that people aren't living 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.919 in fear of their next rent increase. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:53.800 I think. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:59.320 With universal childcare, Greens and socialists both say it should 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:04.560 be free, universally accessible. Anthony Abernezia said he wants childcare 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.959 to be part of his legacy, so we gave Labor 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:12.200 some half points on the scorecard for that, But it 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:16.880 won't actually be universal childcare if Labor continues to subsidize 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.920 costly private providers, which is actually a point that I 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.079 heard Amymikers make really compellingly on this show at the 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:23.919 end of last year. 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.040 It's not universal if it's private but subsidized. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.480 So was Australia actually lacking these Mendani style policies, or 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:37.360 we're lacking a politician capable of turning these ideas into 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:42.240 a national platform, someone with a compelling argument and with charisma. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.360 Yeah, I think that might be what we're missing. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.960 I think the ideas are there, but we don't have 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:52.240 that compelling Mumdani leadership figure. I think Australian politics is 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:56.400 traditionally elevated parties, not people. You know, we've had a 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.360 pretty strict two party system. It's a parliamentary system. The 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.160 Prime Minister is the leader of the party, so parties 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.960 decide who leads, not the public in the same way. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.400 But I do think there's you know, a few people 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:12.320 who sort of tried to occupy that space. Max Choann 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.040 la Mayfair, as I mentioned, had a bit of a 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:18.440 crack and I think he did speak really compellingly to Renters, 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.520 but he got a pretty tough run in Parliament, being 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.080 quite a minority voice there, and also I think the 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.440 media was pretty tough on him as well. A few 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.919 of the commenters on my piece pointed to David Pocock, 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.680 but he is just one guy. He is just a 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.480 senator and unless he runs a David Pocock to get 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.800 across the country, it's hard to see how he can 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:38.880 really build a national platform. 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:40.360 Although I have had. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.880 Like a beautician I see asked me how she can 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.960 vote for David Pocock, So I do think he's got 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:45.760 the common touch. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.880 A lot of people ask care they could vote for 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.800 David Pocock. I don't know what it is about him, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.960 but he does seem to have an appeal on Yeah. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.760 Look, I think I think it's hard to go past 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.480 the fact I'm Doney and Pocock are both very good looking. 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.039 I think that's part of it. That's part of it. 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:05.440 For Mum Danny, You've got purple pingers Jordan Vandalam who 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.240 is now running with. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.640 The Vics Socialists. I think he does really well on TikTok. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.279 Hello, welcome back to share Randall's with your host. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.520 Pingers today are in Kangaro Flat, which is in like 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.160 the greater Bendigo area. 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.080 It's four hundred and fifty dollars a week and this 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:19.680 was sent to me. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:24.160 But I can't see that translating nationally. His sort of 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.159 dead pan tone. Yeah, and I think within labor the 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:32.040 only person currently speaking boldly and authentically is at Husick, 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.440 who spoke out quite a lot at the party conference 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:36.040 last week. 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.520 When we signed up for this membership card, we didn't 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:39.640 sign up for the status quo. 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.480 I can put me in the Phraezer Angel. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.320 And I think it's interesting demographically he's the most similar 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.840 to mum Danny as a Muslim man, but he would 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.240 be there only person in labor that's even trying to 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:51.960 fill that mold. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.560 So there's some people around the country speaking to some 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.640 of these policies. But how much of an appetite do 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.320 you think there are for these more? I guess socialist 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.400 type policy amongst Australian voters because New York City is 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.760 one thing, it's a progressive stronghold. Australia obviously has a 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.440 much border range of political leanings, and right now there 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.120 are a lot of people moving to the right as 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.880 one nation arises. Do you think there's an appetite for 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:17.760 a counter movement on the left? 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.599 Yeah. Look, I often refer back to this really great 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.039 sub stack from my friend Alex Fine, who runs the 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.640 focus groups for Redbridge and really really spends a lot 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.840 of time talking to voters twice a week. 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.920 Back in March, she wrote a piece called. 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:36.320 Polarization is a Myth, where she basically argued that Australians 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.760 seem to broadly want the same things, whether they define 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:39.560 themselves as. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.440 Left right centrist, don't. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.479 Care you know, they want healthcare, education, and they believe 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.679 in fairness, kindness. As she wrote in this piece, that 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.200 those with the greatest interest in keeping us divided need 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.160 us to forget how much we agree. The first Progressive 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:59.600 party to harness this properly will be unstoppable. And I've 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.840 really thought a lot about that and the fact that 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:07.000 even though the Greens did quite terribly at the last election, 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.920 the things they stand for, like taxing our resources and 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.840 putting it into healthcare, adding dental to medicare, these are 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.600 things that Australians seem to kind of want. 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:16.960 They currently don't. 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.640 They think of the Greens as radical, and you know, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.760 Alex has an argument for this as well, is that 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.880 Australians do like to think of themselves as kind of centrist, 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.720 not particularly radical people, but the policies they express a 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.880 desire for are actually quite left wing. As you mentioned, 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.680 you know, Pauline Hanson seems to be picking up a 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:41.440 lot of the disenfranchised vote. A lot of people who 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.760 are angry with the system are turning to one nation. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.400 You know, we're kind of eight years behind the US 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.080 with what happened with Donald Trump there. Alex also had 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.160 a self stack in June, where she wrote about raw 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.400 power and the fact that people who feel robbed of 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.560 agency right now really feel like Pauline Hanson is the 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:05.760 one projecting that kind of anti establishment power, so win away. 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.840 Maybe Pauline Hanson is the one coming closest to a 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.200 mum Dani right now. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.440 Still to come. While Labor is moving away from the 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:28.880 Mendani model, Rachel, the happenings of this week actually showed that, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.920 if anything, our major party is actually moving further away 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.920 from the Mandani model. This week, Victorian Labor replaced Cinna 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.480 Allen from the left with Ben Carroll from the party's. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.000 Right, the blandest man I've ever seen. 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.040 There's these elevation signal that Victorian Labor believes the answer 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.120 to its political crisis is have moved back towards the center. Look. 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.000 I think in this case, part of Vic Labour's thinking 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.760 was anyone but just center, and Ben Carroll was there, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.280 but he is from Labor right. A lot of the 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.240 more conservative media outlets seem quite thrilled. 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:01.880 With his elevation. 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.800 He essentially came out and said that he would immediately 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.240 call a Royal commission into union corruption on the Big Build, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.320 which is really what brought just into Alan down. But 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.960 he's also said that he will pause and review the 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.960 suburban rail Loop, which is, you know, a big infrastructure 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.920 project that was very strongly pushed by Disinta Allen and 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:24.080 Daniel Andrews. 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.040 Before her, both of the left. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.720 He said he will reopen closed police stations, he might 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.200 pause the Daniel Andrews statue that we're getting here in Victoria. 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:38.000 Essentially he's co opted a lot of the Liberal platform 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.520 ahead of the November state election here, so sort of 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.840 like by moving to the center, kind of cutting off 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.079 a lot of what Jess Wilson, the Liberal leader who 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.280 was finally getting a bit of traction, is actually running 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:49.160 on and ventually. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.040 Anthony Alberinezi built his career in the labor left when 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.240 it used to really have a proper left, I guess. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.160 But as Prime Minister his instincts have increasingly become cautious 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.199 type part of discipline and reaisus shoring business is his 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.520 way of doing things. Why has he moved so far 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.120 from the politics that formed him? 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.160 This is a question that obsesses me. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.000 If somebody would like to give me a book deal 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.640 so I can just spend all my time figuring out 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.080 why Anthony alb and Easy has moved to the center. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.840 The twenty sixteen and twenty nineteen elections really spooked the party. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.560 Anthony Aben Easy has sort of argued that you can't 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.960 make change too quickly, like it's more important to be 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:31.920 in there making progressive as in slow change than to 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.199 do too much too quickly and get turfed out. I 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.599 also think he just I think he got more conservative 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:40.439 as he aged and at this stage, like factions don't 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.679 necessarily mean you're like left or right. It's kind of 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.200 just power bases in the Labor Party, and he has 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.880 just such an expert control of all of those actions 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.480 and how they work and where the power is. That essentially, 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.920 I think he's just as a strategist deciding what he 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:57.080 thinks is best for the party. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.679 It's not so much ideological anymore. 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.360 We just had the ALP national Conference, and you know 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.679 that's a place where you know, a lot of disagreements 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.640 and Rgi Bargi's played out on the floor. This year 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.200 was a much more sort of senitized version of itself, 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.520 Ed Hughes, except the party had become allergic to dissent. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.760 So what did the conference actually reveal about where power 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.000 sits inside Albanese's Labor Party. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.160 Well, I mean, I think it's sits where it's always 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.840 sat with the factions. It's just that Anthony Abernezi has them. 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.560 He's put them into line for many conferences. Now dissent 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.840 has been discouraged. I think there might be some pretty 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.160 intense conversations going on within the factions, between the factions, 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.640 but not on the conference floor. I actually went to 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.199 the conference, not the one last week, but the one 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.800 three years ago, and there was just like no point 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.200 being there unless you were like in there with the 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:50.800 factions going to the factional dinners. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.120 Like it's so stage managed at this. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:57.560 Point, So that's how things get decided in the Labor Party. 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.760 I think it's really interesting that at Husik is actually 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.800 of Labor Right. He's the one pushing for more left 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.199 wing policies, but he's a member of Labor Right. I mean, 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.200 he's kind of like out pushing his own agenda now, 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.520 which is really what I think Labor needs more of, 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.600 more individuals who are not willing to just do what 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.199 their faction says to do based on what Albanize says 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:19.480 to do. 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.800 What do you think is actually doing to the party 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.640 the fact that it's so heavily managed now, I think. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.079 It's it's hurting it very much. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:33.000 I mean, there are policies that are really popular in 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.040 the branches, you know, like things like the gas tax, 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.520 things like acting against Israel and calling out Israel's genocide 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:40.920 and Gaza. 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.480 The labor branches, the rank and file actually put forward 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.319 a lot of motions on these issues, but none of 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:48.400 it seems to filter up. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.440 Isn't that a recipe for disaster sort of long term 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.760 for any sort of party that starts to lose touch 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.920 or not listen to its rank and file. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.880 Yeah, absolutely, And I think I think you'll seeing that 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.600 with Labor, with the fact that they have less and 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.000 less rank and file. Like the very few members they 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.800 have left, it's not a particularly representative party at this stage. 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.360 Obviously it still wins like a third of the vote, but. 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.480 In terms of actual members who were able to influence 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.760 the direction of the party less unless people are bothering 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.760 because they don't feel like they actually can have a say. 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.720 I guess it's worth reminding finally, Rachel, that from here 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.560 in Australia, Mendani did seem to come out of nowhere. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.400 But he actually didn't come out of nowhere. He came 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.640 out of a growing Democratic Socialist of American movement that's 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:38.280 recruiting candidates and mobilizing volunteers. DSA candilates to secure major 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.200 party victories ahead of the midterm elections. It's a movement 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.120 that has real momentum. So does Australia actually lack a 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:49.360 mandani or does it lack the organized movement to produce one. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.520 I think American politics works so differently to Australian politics. 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.160 Better have professional voting. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.640 They kind of locked into the two party system, which 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.559 sucks for them, but it has meant that it's forced 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.600 progressives to really channel all their energies into one place, 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.719 which is trying to win democratic crimeraies because essentially it's 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.400 going to be the Democrat or the Republican that gets 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:14.920 up in most races. And so the DSA has been 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.760 incredibly powerful at trying to steer the Democrats back to 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.160 the left by putting up left wing candidates. We just 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.200 don't seem to have that going on in Australia. It's 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.720 hard to see how we would replicate that. I mean, 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.680 if everybody of the left, the socialists, the greens all 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.600 got involved in labor and wanted to force all of 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:35.680 their branches to put up. 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:37.320 Left wing candidates. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.360 Potentially that would look like the same kind of organized movement, 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.080 but at this point the left is fractured. It's scattered 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:48.600 across many different branches, and so we don't have a 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.000 unified left in the same way. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.400 Well, right, Jil, thank you for coming on. I'm not 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.120 being scattered yourself. It's been a delight. Thanks again, Thanks Daniel. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.280 Seven Am is a daily show from Solstice Media. Is 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:19.000 made by Atticus Bastow, Chris Dangate, Crystal Color, Renee Auckland, 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:25.240 Ruby Jones, Travis Evans, Zoltenfecho Junior and me Daniel James. 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.320 Our theme music is by Ned Beckley and Josh Hogan 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.560 of Envelope Bordeo. 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