WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 9 April 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:02.480 Lelands and Generalman. 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.480 Welcome to the late de Base. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.840 Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm KYLEB. Bond 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.680 with Liz Storer and Joe Hildebrand, who is once again 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.319 engrossed in the cryptic crossword. Later tonight we will show 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.000 you the shocking numbers out of the United States about 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.599 the number of people who think it would be justified 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.000 to murder Elon Musk and Donald Trump. I promise you 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.840 it will shock you, or maybe not if you think 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.800 as much of the left as I do. In the papers, 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.440 could Chris Bowen lose his seat? Will show you some 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.680 new polling. And the Victorian labor powerbrokers are circling in 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.800 on Jacinda Allen. She's apparently going to be given the 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.040 heave ho. And a bit later, the dire wolf, which 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.400 has been extinct for ten thousand years, has been quote 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.839 unquote de extincted in a lab. We'll tell you a 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.559 little bit more about that and the ethics of bringing 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.040 back extinct animals. Now, of course, earlier tonight here on 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.760 Sky News you would have seen the very first Treasurer's 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.760 debate between Jim Charmers and Angus Taylor. It was slightly 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.080 more interesting, I thought than the debate we got last night. 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.600 There was a bit of biff, thank god, which was good. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.479 We actually got to see some difference between these two 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.760 potential treasures. One of course, already is the treasurer. Angus 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.640 Taylor wants to be the treasurer. One of the most 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.560 interesting moments I think was a question that was set 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.960 up first by Ross Greenwood, one that was then continued 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.640 on by Angus Taylor. It gave a little bit of 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.360 a gotcha moment to Jim Charmers. We'll start with Ross Greenwood. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.080 Will you apologize to the people of Australia tonight having 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.440 your government having said that energy prices would come down 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.120 by two hundred and seventy five dollars when in actual fact, 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.640 average prices according to the Financial Review, are at least 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.240 five hundred dollars more than what they were at that time. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.240 So you said two hundred and seventy five? Will you 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:54.520 apologize to people of this Rather. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.600 I take responsibility for all of the decisions that we've 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.920 taken in our budget, so you will apologize. Let me finish, 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.000 including the fact that energy prices energy bills last year 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.720 were three hundred dollars cheaper because of our energy rebates 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:08.639 than Angus didn't. 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:13.280 Support Ross then gave both men an opportunity to ask 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.280 a question of each other. So Angus Taylor asked exactly 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:18.040 the same question. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.440 You've seen, and you've over seen the biggest collapse in 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.240 our living standards in history, bigger than any of our 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.839 peer countries in the world. Will you apologize to Australians. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.400 Well, first of all, I mean Angus wrote down that 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.600 question and then you asked it, and he didn't have 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.280 the ability to think up a second question. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:37.079 I think that's. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.280 Well, I'm giving you another gau Jim. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.760 It was an easy kick for charmers, it has to 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.320 be said. He also had another interesting line tonight about 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.360 Dougie Sucker fans, And. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.320 Here I think we've got the first contrast of the 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.320 debate tonight, the first choice, because we've got a Prime 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.320 Minister standing up for and speaking up for Australia, and 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.280 we've got an opposition leader and an opposition which is 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.119 absolutely full of these kind of those sicker fans who 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.160 have hitched their wagon to American style slogans and policies 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:14.000 and especially cuts which would make Australians worse off. 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.679 Now I have to say, overall, I think Jim Charmers 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.600 won this debate. It felt like he was punchier, he 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.480 was on the front foot, Angus Taylor seemed a little 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.679 bit nervous and on the back foot most. 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:25.960 Of the time. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.480 Having said that, I do think Taylor performed better than 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.880 I expected. He showed that he could, at least to 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.360 some degree, put up a fight to Jim Charmers. Charmers 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.720 is a good performer in these kinds of situations. I'll 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.720 come back to it a little bit later in terms 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.120 of some things that I think Taylor could have done 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.560 better at, But he did hit some good points, particularly 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.040 talking about the cost of living and the danger that 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.560 labor is to the country and what they have wrought 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.240 upon people over the last three years. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:59.640 Jenfp per Kapita has gone backwards for twenty one months 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.400 in a row under your so called stewardship, Jim. And 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.960 the result of that is our household standard of living, 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.000 what our incomes combined him of goods and services, has 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.720 collapsed in an unprecedented way seven point nine percent since 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.200 she came into government. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:16.360 The buffers are gone. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:17.960 If you look. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:23.320 At household budgets that they're deep into digging into their savings, and. 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.360 All of this is great, but there are two points 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.839 I think that Taylor really could have taken the fight 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.400 up against Charmers on, and he missed. One of them 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.839 was when Jim Charmers started talking about cost of living 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.039 relief and how the government had provided cost of living 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.440 relief in the form of power subsidy of course, to 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:44.880 the tune of three hundred dollars, and they're now extending 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.400 that to the end of this year. And he said, well, 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.200 you know, if it weren't for that, people would have 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.719 been worse off. And the opposition didn't support those measures. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.159 All of that is true, but why did Angus Taylor 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:57.920 not then turn around and say, look, it's all good 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.880 and well for you to say you are helping people 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.080 with the cost of living, but how about how you've 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.560 contributed to the increase in the cost of living. He 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.440 could have then listed off the increase in power bills 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.480 and one hundred other things and saying, well, how can 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.960 you possibly say you've made the cost of living better 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.760 when you are actually, in many cases the root cause 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.440 of the cost of living getting worse. He didn't hit 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.400 on that one. And the other one that really annoyed 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:25.680 me was Jim Charmers talking about economic growth and new businesses. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.799 I think the number he used was about eighty thousand 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.960 new businesses have been created in this term of government. Well, 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.600 why did Angus Taylor not turn around and say, did 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.960 you not read the AFR last month, doctor Charmers where 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.520 it said that more than seventy five percent of the 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.480 jobs that were created in this country last year were 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:49.000 created in government funded sectors. Sure, there might be eighty 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.480 thousand more businesses in this country than there were when 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.440 you came to power. Not to mention all the other 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.080 ones that have gone bust, will leave that to one side. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.560 But fundamentally, the jobs that are being created in new 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.040 business in these countries in this country, sorry, is not 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:07.799 because business is booming. It's because the government is paying 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.039 for it. If the government was not stumping up money 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.800 for things like the nda is, you wouldn't have any 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.240 growth in the private sector whatsoever. I think there are 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.760 a few of those moments that lead me to think 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.520 that on paper, and this is not a judgment on 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.280 the substance, but on the performance tonight, Jim Chalmers won 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:26.800 that debate. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:27.960 Yeah, look I think he did. 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.320 I think both played pretty well, and I think it 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.920 was actually more sort of fiery and sort of combative 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.120 and almost fun to watch in the leader's debate, which 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:38.920 is a very different style because you don't want to 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.240 get too feisty in front of voters who are sick 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.760 of politicians fighting with each other at the best of time. 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.000 So in a TV studio it's a bit more like 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.599 a cage match. You can really go for it. 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.599 And you know, for old Ross Greenwood, it cleends to 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.000 cop a few homemakers. He's big and ugly enough to 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.159 handle it. So I think it did really well, and 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.919 Ross did well. I think just Angus Taylor though, I 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:00.599 just think, and this has been a occurring sort of 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.560 criticism I've heard from people on his own side as 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.359 well as obviously on the other, he's just not a 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.720 detailed guy. He's just the actual you know, how are 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.720 you going to fix these problems? And he keeps having 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.960 we we'll manage the economy. Well, yeah, that's the job 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.280 description of the treasurer, but how are you going to 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.600 do it? And said, well, you know, we will drive growth, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.160 and it's like, well, yeah, everyone wants to drive growth, 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.560 but you know, so we'll have growth, We'll have growth 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.200 in the private sector. And Ross green would actually at 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:28.320 one point said, you know, how are you going to 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.480 manage the economy into a downturn? He says, well, you know, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.600 you know, by creating growth, and rosscreen He goes, but 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.760 the definition of a downturn is there is no growth, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.360 So what are you going to do? And it just 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:43.840 didn't happen to be that, And and charmers again. You know, yes, 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.560 there's a cost of living crisis. Yes we're about to 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:51.120 copy trade war. So it's not a particularly sunny scenario. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.000 But he showed that he was at least across it. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.560 He could point to things good, point to specific measures 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.160 that he was doing a good point to specific outlooks. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.920 And you know, if you look at the actual figures 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:06.560 that these guys were rattling off, it was ninety percent charmers. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.080 And you had Angus Tail there who was just more 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.400 about the vibe. And I think that was what what 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.360 Ross Greenwood was getting to when he was saying, look, 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.200 a criticism of you is that you're just not doing 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.800 the work. And we've seen, i think elsewhere in the 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:22.080 coalition campaign just how damage it can be when you 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.160 haven't done the work. You haven't got the details and 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.440 you haven't got the specifics because of course that is 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.160 the whole in your sort of front line that your 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:30.800 opponents are going to drive a truck through. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.880 Charmers. Really didn't miss a trick. Here's one grab from 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.640 tonight's debate where he started out talking about these secret 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.880 cuts that the Liberals are going to have to make 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.680 in order to fund new clear on there's going to 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.400 be cuts to everything, and didn't miss the opportunity to 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.560 make it about Medicare and what's happened to the past. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.600 Angus has gone to the election with three policies, first 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.840 of all, to increase income taxes on every Australian taxpayer, 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.880 second of all lower wages, and thirdly secret cuts to 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.280 pay for nuclear reactors. And you can't find six hundred 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.000 billion dollars to pay for those nuclear reactors without coming 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.560 after Medicare, just like Peter Dutton did when he was 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:11.200 the Health Minister. 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.040 Sharp as attack, I got to say I also give 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.119 him the gong tonight, and this was so much more entertaining. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:20.240 You've got to agree with me. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.920 Last night my eyes were glazed over with bottom as 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.600 elbow and Dutts there was no fisty cuffs, but these guys, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.199 it was an absolute corker. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.280 But what I think for. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.320 The average Australians sitting at home watching this, all it 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:41.680 sounds like is two guys saying everything's great, We've been 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.640 doing so well, look at these stats, aren't you impressed. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.320 And the other guy being like, no, he's lying. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.160 We're not doing very well at all, and we're going 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.880 to do better, and then charmers pipes in saying well, 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:53.960 how are you going to do better? 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:54.959 You're not doing it. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.000 What it sounds like is two guys saying, for the 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.280 better part of an hour. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.640 Your line, no, you're lying. 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.000 What he just said isn't true, and you walk away 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.480 going if you're an average punter, okay, who is telling 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:08.960 the truth. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.480 Someone's lying and I don't know who was. 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.720 Much like last night when Peter Dutton said to Albo 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.800 your government has spent more than any government in forty years, 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.440 and Albo just claps back immediately saying well that's. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.440 Just not true, and we're all. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.640 Sat at homegoing, well, who's telling the truth. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:32.839 So that's where I feel like. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.640 These debates, as entertaining as this one was, and I 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:40.760 very much enjoyed it. I think for the average Australian 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.400 who's trying to follow along at home, that's all it 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:44.960 sounds like. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.640 And I found I think it's indicative of the way 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.040 politics is played these days as well, is that politics 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.319 is not played on the front foot. It's played on 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.600 the back foot. It's not about the vision, it's about, well, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.679 what's happening right now. And that's essentially what they were 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.440 debate tonight. They weren't really debating what Australia is going 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.200 to look like in three years now, it's look like 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.920 in a decade's time. What they were debating is what 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.520 Australia is going to look like maybe in six months time, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.520 what it's looked like for the last three years. It's 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.480 just absent, entirely absent from politics now, it would seem. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.240 And again it goes to my point I was making 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.520 about Angus Taylor, like, you know, why didn't he pick 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.520 up on things like the fact that more than seventy 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.200 five percent of jobs created in this country last year 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.679 were in government related sectors. Say that and then give 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.440 us a vision for how you're actually going to boost 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:34.480 the private sector. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.040 But that's just not how they growth. Yeah, we'll growth, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.760 but this is just managing the economy. That's how well 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:41.640 done growing. 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.640 That's not how politics prey anymore. And I think we're 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.000 all worse off for it, to be perfectly honest. One 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.360 of my favorite moments, though, before we move on, I 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.880 have to say, is he gave Ross green Wood, gave, gave, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.719 and then took away to each of them, n Jim 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.000 Charmers and Angus Taylor. To Angus Taylor, he said, everyone 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.280 I talk to says, you know, you've got a mighty intellecture, 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.240 a Rhodes scholar. You've been told since you're a kid 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.080 that you'll be prime minister when you grew up. You 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.240 were essentially made for this job. But people say that 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.680 you don't put in the work. And he sort of 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.880 danced around that. Then he said to Jim Chalmers, everyone 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.400 I talked to you says, you're across your brief. You've 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:23.120 got the numbers, Your work hard, your staff work hard, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.040 but you've got one floor. And I think Charmers in 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:27.760 his response, actually proved it. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:30.600 The one thing they say is you've got a bit 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.040 of a glass jaw that you don't cop criticism well, 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:34.280 or just say that. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.680 I think over time, I've learned to understand that you 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:40.839 take the good with the bad. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.800 Yeah, I think the glass kind of comes through. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.480 At the very moment where the last thing you should 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.559 do is get defensive, and he got defensive to Queensland. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.960 Now where a university student at the University of the 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:01.680 Sunshine Coast there's lost points on an assessment because she 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.319 didn't do a welcome to country. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:05.680 She's in the last two. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:10.439 Weeks of her course, the course being crime Diversity and 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.160 what was the rest of the name of it, Crime 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.839 Diversity and Justice, so rather broad and she'd given this 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:19.360 oral assessment. 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.320 So imagine her shock when she gets her marks back. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.040 And here's a clip of the screenshot of the feedback 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.200 she got. An acknowledgment of country would have been appropriate, 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:36.040 writes the marker, given your chosen topic of course. 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:37.760 The student was taken aback. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:43.120 By this, given it wasn't in the criteria for the assessment. Now, 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:47.160 anyone who's been a student knows we pour over the 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.360 criteria to make sure you've ticked every box and that 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.880 you can't be marked down on something that obvious. If 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.040 they've asked for it, you give it to them. But 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:01.520 it was not asked for therefore she did not do it. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.840 She took it up with the lecturer. She said, excuse me, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:08.840 have I been marked down, to which they confess to her. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.080 Had you included a welcome to country, you would have 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.920 got one or two more points. Here is the student 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:21.040 who's chosen to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, speaking to 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:22.560 four BC today. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.720 And the fact that it was on a criteria sheet, 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.080 you know, and I still got marked down for it. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.480 That's pretty annoying. And you know, especially I'm paying sixty 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.520 grand for this degree. It's really not fair. These classes 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.680 are very judgmental. You feel like you'd say something and 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.160 you'd get threatened or like just looked that funny if 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.800 you didn't believe the same things. Even one of the lecturers, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.200 like she definitely had her own opinions, and if you 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.840 didn't believe that, you looked upon differently. 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.200 It's what we know is going on in classrooms, not 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.800 only in our schools, but also. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.280 In our universities. Now. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:02.800 It was just last month talking about mcquarie University including 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.120 a mandatory welcome to country in one of their law courses. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.320 Once that got blasted in the. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:14.080 Media, they turfed it as they should then just Monday 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.680 night we discussed a senior law lecturer at the University 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.480 of Queensland. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.080 Who was threatening. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.320 Her students regarding their future prospects because they got up 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.080 at one point in her lecture in which she was 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:32.000 majoring on all things Indigenous and walked out. The level 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.600 of brainwashing happening in these universities is being laid bare 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.120 by these students who are bravely blowing the whistle on 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:41.080 their own lecturers. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.400 Well, is it any wonder that our academic results just 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.800 keep going through the floor. I mean, if this is 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.240 the stuff that you now get marked on, whether you 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.240 put an acknowledgment of country in your essay or I mean, 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.720 it has nothing to do with the academic rigor of 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.240 the work you have put together. It's like saying you 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.880 get extra marks because the font on the front of 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.920 it look nice. I mean, it has no bearing on 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.200 the contents of what you have written. Surely you ought 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.680 to be marked on whether the essay you've written a 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.600 makes sense and is spelt properly, and if you're writing 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.960 about diversity, crime and justice relates to that topic and 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.640 is factually correct. That's what it's all about, is it not? 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.440 If we're going to start saying you get to points 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.280 for acknowledgment of country. It's wrote learning is what they're 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.160 trying to do is that you you must do this 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.200 because we tell you you must do this. And the 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.800 thing that saddens me the most about this every time 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.480 we see an example like this, or you go to 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:42.000 an event and every speaker gets up and gives their 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.960 own acknowledgment of country, even though the MC is the 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.920 one at the start, and then everyone starts groaning and going. 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.640 On God exactly. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.360 But the thing that saddens me the most about it 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.480 is it's when they go overboard like that that people 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.320 truly do start to go, well, I don't care about 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.520 any Indigenous issues anymore because they feel like it's been 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.320 rammed down their throat all the time. The people who 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.240 are pushing this stuff forward because they think they're doing 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.359 great things for the Indigenous community are actually hurting. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:14.480 I couldn't agree more. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.440 And you're actually seeing Indigenous speak Indigenous bodies saying you 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.399 know what, enough with the acknowledgement of the country. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.040 It's become tokenistic. 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.840 It's become sort of a perfunctory, performative thing that actually 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.159 has no real value. It certainly doesn't change anything. It 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.120 doesn't improve a lot of Indigenous people in Australia, which 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:33.240 is something we really need to do. 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.080 And they're say, we're going to get to that shortly. 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.440 And again this was just a I mean, this wasn't 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.639 even I mean, this wasn't even essay. It was just 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.480 someone standing up and giving an oral presentation. Presumably that 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.800 facility at which that was happening, where there were god 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.399 knows how many other students doing presentations. Presumably if people 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.520 were that exercised about having an acknowledgment of country, and 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.600 the teachers and the markers who were presumably they're listening 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.520 on the same bit of country listening to the student 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.760 were there too, but they're to hear it, they would 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.600 have actually done the thing to say if they cared 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.440 that much. But again it just makes no difference whatsoever. 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.959 It's not relevant to the actual coursework. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.640 She wants to be a policewoman, and it's like, how 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:15.600 dare you not do it? 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:19.360 Welcome, I'd like to know that I'm giving you a breathalyzer. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.320 But it's just it's ridiculous and it actually hurts things. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.200 It's things like this, which is why the Voice referendum 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.800 went down because there was stigma and why as we're 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.399 about to find out, real issues Indigenous communities are not 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.000 being adequately addressed exactly. 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.480 And you mentioned that these real issues that are not 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.439 being addressed, I could not believe today. And props to 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.080 Matt Cunningham for taking this up and Just Enterprise as well. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:46.480 Our Watch, which is supposedly an anti domestic violence group 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.280 they get to twenty million dollars in funding every year 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.920 from the federal government, put out this booklet to media 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:58.000 about how to report on issues of violence in Indigenous communities. 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.720 And in this booklet, they say, when you talking about 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:05.960 domestic violence or family violence in Indigenous communities, particularly against women, quote, 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:11.480 do not suggest violence is part of Indigenous culture, by 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.280 which they're saying that if you link the violence that 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.639 is happening to Indigenous women in particular to the fact 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:23.720 that it's Indigenous people perpetrating it, you are somehow racist. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.960 And by doing that, what they effectively do is shut 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.679 down any discussion about why there are massive rates of 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:37.800 violence in Indigenous communities. Thirty four times more likely Indigenous 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.840 women are in this country than anyone else to be 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:45.520 hospitalized with domestic violence related injuries. There are eleven times 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:50.120 more likely than anyone else to be killed through domestic violence. 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:54.679 Seventy two percent of assaults that result in hospitalization for 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:59.280 Indigenous women are because of family violence, and about ninety 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.560 percent of the violence committed against Aboriginal women in this 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.520 country is believed to not be reported. We have a 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.760 serious problem here, and you have a supposedly anti domestic 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:15.160 violence group saying we can't talk about the real issues 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.440 just siner nemperduper price as you can imagine, saw red 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.720