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Speaker 1: The state loss. Two former politicians, two leading lights in

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Speaker 1: South Australian political history. One was Jennifer Cashmore, who was

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Speaker 1: Health Minister during the Tonquin government between seventy nine and

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Speaker 1: eighty two. But she's the lady who blew the whistle

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Speaker 1: on the State bank, put up all the warning, said

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Speaker 1: the reports here, the figures are in danger and don't

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Speaker 1: make sense, and no one listened. The Bannon government, the

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Speaker 1: Treasurer was John Bannon himself at the time, said no,

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Speaker 1: you're wrong, nothing to see here. And if only they'd listened,

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Speaker 1: if only, because that would have saved potentially well the

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Speaker 1: bulk of the three point one billion dollars that was

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Speaker 1: last in the State bank collapse. So Jennifer Cashmore just

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Speaker 1: to her passing at the age of eighty six, the

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Speaker 1: mother incidentally of our current Governor, the Honorable Francis Adamson.

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Speaker 1: So Jennifer Cashmore passing away at eighty six. The other death,

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Speaker 1: and this came first in the day yesterday afternoon, was

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Speaker 1: the passing of former Premier Steel Hall at the age

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Speaker 1: of ninety five. And I'd met still a couple of

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Speaker 1: times along the way way, just in passing and shoot

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Speaker 1: a question or two at when he was visiting Parliament

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Speaker 1: House once I recalled during I think a leadership challenge

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Speaker 1: or similar as was the case in the Liberal Party

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Speaker 1: over some years give or take. But he was certainly

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Speaker 1: in his two years as Premier, and then he went

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Speaker 1: on to have a federal career in both the Senate

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Speaker 1: and the House of Reps as well. But in those

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Speaker 1: two years, just amazing what he managed to achieve. And

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Speaker 1: the person I thought to have a chat to as

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Speaker 1: a man who I saw a video I reckon the

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Speaker 1: Advertiser put it together and it must have been I

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Speaker 1: don't know, the fiftieth election or whatever, anniversary of steel

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Speaker 1: Hall being elected some years ago. But it just talked

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Speaker 1: about all the things, things that I'd forgotten or didn't

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Speaker 1: even know about. Rex Jury was the man behind all

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Speaker 1: of that, A new Steelhall. Very well from the Advertiser. Rex,

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Speaker 1: good morning, how are you.

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Speaker 2: It's nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Likewise, now I do recall this, and one of

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Speaker 1: the things that it talked about and I had no

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Speaker 1: idea about, was Steelhall's response for fluoridating our water supply.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you probably had a shower this morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it would have been in water fluoridated by the

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Speaker 2: whole government. The water probably came from Dartmouth, which the

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Speaker 2: whole government fought to have built, the Dartmouth Dam. Labor

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Speaker 2: opposed it but later adopted it. The gas that he

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Speaker 2: did your water probably came from the Cooper Basin, which

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Speaker 2: was carried on a pipeline built by the whole government.

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Speaker 2: You drove to work this morning and you buckled up

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Speaker 2: in your seatbelt. And it was the whole government that

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Speaker 2: made seatbelts compulsory. You're too young, you're too old now.

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Speaker 2: But he lowered the drinking age from twenty one to eighteen.

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Speaker 2: It brought in the first Committee on the Environment, well

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Speaker 2: before the Environmental Protection Authority. There are many things he

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Speaker 2: did as a government. He personally, but many many things

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Speaker 2: which he didn't really take cruit for. I think the

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Speaker 2: biggest He went to London and went to Festival Hall

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Speaker 2: in London, which is on the river, and he made

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Speaker 2: up his mind that the Adelaide Festival Center had to

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Speaker 2: be on water. And when he got back his cabinet

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Speaker 2: had decided in his absence to build it at Karklough.

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Speaker 2: And he walked around the river Torrens by himself as

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Speaker 2: premier and he saw the Adelaide bars who are too

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Speaker 2: young to remember them, but there was a swimming pool

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Speaker 2: just off North Terrace behind Parliament House and he said,

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Speaker 2: that's where it's going to be. And he was the one.

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Speaker 2: He was the man who decided on the side of

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Speaker 2: the festival Center. But that was all swept away when

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Speaker 2: he lost government. The Dunston government quite rightly proceeded with

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Speaker 2: the building of it on that site and took the

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Speaker 2: credit for it, but it was actually steel Hall picked

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Speaker 2: the site. And it's interesting that Mike ran to acknowledge this, said,

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Speaker 2: look the bridge across the River Torrens from the railway

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Speaker 2: the festival Center across to Adelaide Ovals. Mike said, we'd

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Speaker 2: like to name that bridge after you Steele, and he said, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to know about that. But that was

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Speaker 2: the man. He was in Parliament House. There was there

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Speaker 2: is a list of all the premiers and his name

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Speaker 2: for many years didn't have the honorable in front of it,

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Speaker 2: but it was mister steel Hall. And he said, look,

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Speaker 2: why am I any more honorable than anyone else? So

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Speaker 2: I refused to be called the honorable. One day underknown

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Speaker 2: to him, someone authorized, of course, chipped the mister out

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Speaker 2: and put the honorable in front of his name in

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Speaker 2: Miss brass or Bron's Park, and he was furious that

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Speaker 2: someone should have done that because he was a very

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Speaker 2: down to, a easygoing sort of fellow who he's received

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Speaker 2: no honors, you know, the sort of oams or nothing

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Speaker 2: like that. He was just a farmer from the mid

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Speaker 2: North who became premier and was one of the most

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Speaker 2: significant politicians of the second half of the last century

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Speaker 2: in South Australia. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's also the only person to have held the

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Speaker 1: job of Premier and then serve in two houses a

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Speaker 2: That's right. He and I used to have a joke,

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Speaker 2: I said. I used to say to him, why don't

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Speaker 2: you run as an independent and the Legislative Council you're

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Speaker 2: found a winner and then you would have run in

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Speaker 2: all four And the man he had a mischievous sense

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Speaker 2: of humor and sometimes I thought that he was actually

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Speaker 2: tempted to do it, but anyway he didn't get around it.

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Speaker 2: But three houses in an extraordinary career from I think

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty nine to nineteen eighty six nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 2: three houses of Parliament, and he made a big difference.

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Speaker 2: At one stage, of course, he held the balance of

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Speaker 2: powerful position in Australian politics in those three years I

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Speaker 2: think seventy four to seventy seven he was in the

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Speaker 2: a Liberal Party member. He formed a new political party

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Speaker 2: because the called the Liberal Movement, and it was interesting

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Speaker 2: when he did that. That was in the early to

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Speaker 2: mid seventies, and he attracted some really big talent into

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Speaker 2: parliament by simply setting out this Progressive Party which was

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Speaker 2: later amalgamated with a Liberal Party again. But he brought

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Speaker 2: in people like Mike Wilson, David Tonkin and many others,

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Speaker 2: David Bowndy. Really talented people came into the parliament because

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Speaker 2: of stills, if you like, magnetism or power of persuasion,

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Speaker 2: and he modernized the Liberal Party. In doing that, there

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Speaker 2: was a terrible fight between the Conservatives and the Progressives,

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Speaker 2: if you can call it that render Garris and so on,

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Speaker 2: which really damaged the Liberal Party and helped Dunstan Don

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Speaker 2: Dunstan Old government for ten years.

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Speaker 1: Well has that ever been resolved? And that stand out

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Speaker 1: of steel Hall's electoral boundary reform. Rinder Garris particularly vocal

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Speaker 1: against reforming electoral bounds, against ending the gerrymander. That that

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Speaker 1: has plagued the Liberal Party ever since. Hasn't it that

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Speaker 2: That certainly has been the case. I don't think it

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Speaker 2: exists now that there's probably not enough members to fight

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Speaker 2: among themselves. But but but certainly that was the this

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Speaker 2: terpiece of Steele's attempt to modernize the party, that the

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Speaker 2: Conservatives were really conservative people and in the in the

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Speaker 2: in the true sense of the word, and they just

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Speaker 2: didn't want to move, They didn't want to do anything.

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Speaker 2: They thought, we've got a gerrymander. We can continue to govern,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if it's unfair. But Steele's attitude, along

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Speaker 2: as Robin Millerhouse and Martin Cameron and others, said no,

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Speaker 2: we've got to change this system. It has to be changed,

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Speaker 2: and so they changed the system. Dunstan of course went

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Speaker 2: along with it because he could see the benefit politically

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Speaker 2: for him, and they changed the system knowing that they

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Speaker 2: were going to lose government. And that is a very

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Speaker 2: big step for any politician to take. It's a very

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Speaker 2: high moral step, if you like, to actually sacrificed government

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Speaker 2: to do what they perceived was correct, the right thing

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Speaker 2: to do. And still Millhouse with the two driving factors

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Speaker 2: in that debate, and they got through the reforms, which

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Speaker 2: in June nineteen seventy meant that they lost the election

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Speaker 2: to Dunstan. And the Conservatives were furious that he had

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Speaker 2: pushed through this reform on voting and lost the because

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that's I mean, Sir Humphrey Appleby would

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Speaker 1: call that courageous.

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Speaker 2: Yes, perhaps he called it stupid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's largely kept the Liberals out of government sense,

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Speaker 1: hasn't it, Because of course it put the balance equal

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Speaker 1: we know, traditionally in elections, the Libs tend to pick

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Speaker 1: the metro seats, and there are more metro seats than

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Speaker 1: country seats, and that's the end of.

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Speaker 2: That, exactly. And a lot of two or three seats

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Speaker 2: that the Liberals should hold in the metropolitan area, either

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Speaker 2: marginal or they've been lost. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: be done. But still haw was a different float too.

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Speaker 2: He once bought a He once brought a runway and

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Speaker 2: a bowling, you know, yeah, demolishing it and he bought

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Speaker 2: and refitted it and went out sailing in it. He was.

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Speaker 2: He was an extraordinary man. He used to fly gliders

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Speaker 2: farm equipment he built himself. He was intensely curious man.

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Speaker 2: He was restless, and if he had a fault, and

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Speaker 2: of course he did was that he would do three

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Speaker 2: for someone else to do. But that's why he achieved

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Speaker 2: so much. And I think he has to go down.

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Speaker 2: It has to be marked down as one of the

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Speaker 2: most influential politicians of the of the last half of

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Speaker 2: the last century.

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Speaker 1: I understand you almost burned his house down once. What

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh, LORI as and I came down. I come

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Speaker 2: down with my family to Steele's wedding. I was working

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Speaker 2: in Canberra, and we came down and stayed at Steele's house,

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Speaker 2: Saint Peter's, and I came in late one night and

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Speaker 2: slammed the back door and it dislodged a crew from

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Speaker 2: a gas heater, which exploded, and we were sitting in

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Speaker 2: and all the lights went out, and we went out

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Speaker 2: of the back and the back of the house was

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Speaker 2: on fire and so still, and I got a garden

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Speaker 2: hose and we rang the fire regata course and we

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Speaker 2: garden hose and all but put it out, but the

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Speaker 2: fire reguard had to put it out of ruin the house.

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Speaker 2: Everything was saturated. But yeah, you never thanked me for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Rix, while I have you Jennifer Cashmore's passing

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Speaker 1: as well, you would have had dealings with her in

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Speaker 1: your role as a journalist at the time. And she

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Speaker 1: was quite an extraor I mean only the third person,

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Speaker 1: the third woman, I should say, elected to State Parliament.

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Speaker 1: And this is you know, so long after South Australia

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Speaker 1: became the first in the nation and second in the

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Speaker 1: world to pass legislation allowing women to vote and to

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Speaker 1: stand for parliament. It took that long. It took till

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine before women were first elected to to

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Speaker 1: state Parliament. And then many years later Jennifer Cashmore joined

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Speaker 1: those two.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, and she was a very effective politician. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's got anything to do with her being

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Speaker 2: a woman. No, but she had courriede ye and he

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Speaker 2: was the one that rang the bell and continued to

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Speaker 2: ring the bell on the State Bank and sadly no

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Speaker 2: one listened. It was she asked question after question in

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Speaker 2: parliament about the State Bank, putting up faction figures to say, look,

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Speaker 2: this is going nowhere, this bank's going to go broke

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Speaker 2: and John Bannon, taking advice from the head of the

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Speaker 2: bank and others, said no, no, no, it's all right.

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Speaker 2: I've checked it out. And sure enough she was right

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Speaker 2: and John was wrong. And of course it was a

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Speaker 2: three billion dollar debt. If you put that in today's figures,

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Speaker 2: you're probably talking about thirty billion dollars. It was a

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Speaker 2: disaster and Jennifer really did her best. At one point

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Speaker 2: she stormed out of Parliament because no one the Liberal

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Speaker 2: Party would stand up beside her and join her and

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Speaker 2: join the fight. They seem to be mesmerized by the

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Speaker 2: government's view that no, it's okay, and Jennifer who was

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Speaker 2: a lone voice, and sadly it was too late by

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Speaker 2: the time people started to listen.

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Speaker 1: And there it goes. But she's left a tremendous legacy

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Speaker 1: as well in her own right and palliative care and

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Speaker 1: in other areas that she just absolutely triumphed in and Rex.

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Speaker 2: Really and Government House and Government House as well.

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Speaker 1: In her daughter, yes, being the governor. Absolutely, that's a

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Speaker 1: great legacy in itself. Absolutely absolutely, Rex really appreciate your

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Speaker 1: memories and recollections of that era. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Nice to talk to him.

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Speaker 1: Rex Jury there from the Advertiser, of course, reminiscing about

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Speaker 1: steel Hall, particularly who passed away yesterday, former Premier nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty eight to nineteen seventy. Only a short time, but

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Speaker 1: as you heard, accomplished so much in those two years.

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Speaker 1: Died yesterday at the age of nine five. And condolences

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Speaker 1: to Joan and the family who will be missing him greatly,

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Speaker 1: and to Jennifer Cashmore's family as well, particularly our own

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Speaker 1: governor who Excellency Francis Sir Adamson