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Speaker 1: On scorn Leaves Oscrodio.

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Speaker 2: This is the Wader Panety Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panety Show.

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Speaker 4: Coming up tonight the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 4: The Great Douglas Murray, who was a friend of Charlie,

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Speaker 4: joins me on the program to remember the man who

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Speaker 4: many expected to be president one day. I'll also get

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Speaker 4: Daniel Wilde's reaction, and we'll also touch on Susan Lee's

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Speaker 4: decision to dumb assembly disas a prize from the Shadow

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Speaker 4: front Bench. I'll dive deeper into the dangerous growth of

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Speaker 4: political violence in the United States with Army Horowitz, and

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Speaker 4: later in the hour, Gabrielle Powell will join.

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Speaker 3: You with the media's reaction to Charlie Kirk's murder and

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Speaker 3: Left He's losing it has the media disgracing itself again.

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Speaker 2: This sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at

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Speaker 2: certain groups. And I always go back to hateful thoughts

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Speaker 2: lead to hateful world words, which then lead to hateful actions.

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Speaker 4: Let's start with the murder of conservative commentator and turning

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Speaker 4: point to USA founder Charlie Kirk. He was assassinated while

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Speaker 4: speaking to students at the University of Utah. He was

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Speaker 4: just thirty one years old and is survived by his wife, Erica,

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Speaker 4: and two children aged just three years and sixteen months.

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Speaker 4: One of the brightest and bravest voices of his generation,

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Speaker 4: he was known for his fierce advocacy of free speech

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Speaker 4: and conservative values. Charlie was instrumental in driving a conservative

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Speaker 4: renaissance among young people, particularly young men. He campaigned tirelessly

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Speaker 4: for the reelection of Donald Trump, and many saw him

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Speaker 4: as among the most influential voices in America today. He

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Speaker 4: was passionate about robust debate. He argued that we must

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Speaker 4: respectfully engage in discourse with our political opponents, and he

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Speaker 4: did just that. He held debates on college care campuses

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Speaker 4: where he would answer questions from progressive students and academics,

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Speaker 4: and he would often cop the most unhinged abuse without

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Speaker 4: resorting to abuse himself. Joining me now for more on

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Speaker 4: this is Deputy executive director at the Institute of Public

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Speaker 4: Affairs Daniel Wild. Dan Charlie Kirk is an enormous loss.

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Speaker 4: He has impact, He's influenced amongst young people. Really, I

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Speaker 4: find it difficult to think of someone else among conservative

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. I mean he was, as you say,

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Speaker 5: really a voice of a generation. He was a living

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Speaker 5: and breathing embodiment of freedom of speech, someone who I

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Speaker 5: guess gave a modern spin on timeless conservative values and

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Speaker 5: was someone who really showed the value of open discourse,

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Speaker 5: particularly on university campuses. He also, in the space of

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Speaker 5: a decade, built up one of the largest political movements,

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Speaker 5: not only in America but in the Western world, and

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Speaker 5: was remarkable entrepreneur, somebody who I think grew with time

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Speaker 5: and became not only someone who could debate, but was

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Speaker 5: a serious intellect, you know, someone who understood history, understood

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Speaker 5: what it was that he was talking about. He wasn't

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Speaker 5: just someone who could give a ninety second SoundBite, but

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Speaker 5: someone who really understood American values and the importance of

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Speaker 5: Western civilization. And his loss is going to be very sadly, sadly.

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Speaker 4: Missed, and I think that's what's been underplayed a little

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Speaker 4: bit even today, is his fierce intellect. He wasn't just,

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Speaker 4: like you said, great for the SoundBite. He could get

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Speaker 4: into in depth debates and he knew his staff. He

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Speaker 4: came armed with information and he always did it with

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Speaker 4: such goodwill. He never created his intellect, and as the

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Speaker 4: left like to say, punched down, he always treated people

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Speaker 4: with respect, even people who didn't show him any respect.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's right, and I think this is a reflective

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Speaker 5: moment for the Western world. We've seen the rhetoric are

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Speaker 5: really been cranked up by the political left, and you know,

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Speaker 5: violence is often the end point of when you dehumanize

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Speaker 5: your political opponents, which is what the left have been doing.

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Speaker 5: Obviously they've done it to Donald Trump relentlessly, and there

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Speaker 5: were at least two attempts on his life that we

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Speaker 5: know of, and I'm sure there are many others that

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Speaker 5: have been foiled by the Secret Service. And I think

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Speaker 5: it's important that leadership on from left wing political parties

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Speaker 5: is aimed at actually seeing us as fellow humans and

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Speaker 5: fellow Australians or fellow Americans, rather than creating a permission

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Speaker 5: structure within which some deranged individuals take this to a

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Speaker 5: logical endpoint and choose violence.

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Speaker 4: Now, we've had a lot of commentary already today about

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Speaker 4: some of the media coverage of this assassination, some disgraceful

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Speaker 4: stuff from the US, but Australia as well. A lot

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Speaker 4: of the influences just posting ridiculous, hateful stuff, even in

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Speaker 4: the aftermath of this tragic murder and Australian so called

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Speaker 4: satire publication. Satire is supposed to be funny.

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Speaker 3: This is the chaser.

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Speaker 4: They decided it was a good idea to mock Kirk's

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Speaker 4: assassination and published an article with a title are you okay?

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Speaker 3: Day not going well? At turning point? What are your

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Speaker 3: going to be funny. This isn't funny.

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Speaker 5: It's just callous and nasty it is, And I think

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Speaker 5: this is utterly shameful. I mean, at a minimum, have

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Speaker 5: some respect for Charlie's wife and his children. And again,

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Speaker 5: the point that I'm making here is that we need

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Speaker 5: to see our fellow humans as human beings who have lives,

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Speaker 5: and I think this sort of dehumanizing rhetoric will only

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Speaker 5: further increase the division that's in our society. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's just completely and totally shameful. When I imagine that

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Speaker 5: they're going to have to apologize or there's going to

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Speaker 5: be some pretty severe.

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Speaker 4: Consequences, no one sees it these days, so I don't

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Speaker 4: think they've got too much to worry about now. Well,

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Speaker 4: here is shortly from President Donald Trump, who has paid

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Speaker 4: tribute to Charlie Kirk. But the British Prime Minister Kirs

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Speaker 4: Starma also posted a tribute. He posted this on x

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Speaker 4: HES and my thoughts this evening are with the loved

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Speaker 4: ones of Charlie Kirk. It is heartbreaking that a young

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Speaker 4: family has been robbed of a father and a husband.

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Speaker 4: We must all be free to debate openly and freely

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Speaker 4: without fear. There can be no justification for political violence.

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Speaker 4: That's all well and good to say, Daniel, But Charlie

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Speaker 4: Kirk would possibly be arrested, probably would be arrested in

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Speaker 4: the UK for speaking freely without fear and stating uncomfortable

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Speaker 4: truths that you can't say in England anymore.

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Speaker 5: Well, you're right, and I know that there are concerns

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Speaker 5: in the UK about political violence. I know for a

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Speaker 5: fact that Nigel Farage is concerned about the way that

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Speaker 5: UK society is going. And you're right to point out

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Speaker 5: that I think the UK has gone further than any

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Speaker 5: other Western nation in criminalizing free speech when people put

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Speaker 5: things on Facebook or other social media than they have

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Speaker 5: the police knocking at their door.

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Speaker 3: So how can Kiirstar.

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Speaker 5: I mean, those words are fine words, which I share,

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Speaker 5: but how can he say that.

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Speaker 3: They're empty though they're empty. He's the Prime Minister who's

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Speaker 3: overseen some of them.

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Speaker 5: He needs to put those words into practice.

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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, especially after what we saw with Graham lyn

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Speaker 4: And being arrested for something he posted whilst he was

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Speaker 4: in Arizona. Not that it should be a problem wherever

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Speaker 4: he posts it now to local matters, Susan Lee's decision

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Speaker 4: to drop just into a Nampa Jipper Price from the

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Speaker 4: front bench, I said yesterday, it's more a deeming two point. Oh,

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Speaker 4: the parallels are strong and numerous, Daniel. The Liberal Party,

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Speaker 4: whether it's at state level at federal level, they're slow learners.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how do they keep making these same mistakes?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think you know some have said just Enterprice

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Speaker 5: made a mistake, and I agree she did make a mistake.

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Speaker 5: She made the mistake of thinking that she's allowed to

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Speaker 5: debate mass migration and the potential political consequences of mass migration.

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Speaker 5: I've not seen the words that she has said that

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Speaker 5: she's supposed to apologize for.

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Speaker 4: I've read the full transcript, I've listened to the interview.

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Speaker 4: There is nothing they're worthy of apology. There's nothing there

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Speaker 4: that's racist. I don't know why she put out that clarification.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was unnecessary. She was obviously under pressure

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Speaker 4: to do so. But what exactly is the great crime here?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's the question for the leadership of the Liberal Party.

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Speaker 5: What exactly is that she said that you want her

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Speaker 5: to apologize for the media sparted as if she was

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Speaker 5: attacking Indians, which obviously she was not doing that. And look,

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Speaker 5: the point I make here is that nobody has stood

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Speaker 5: up more for the equality of all Australians than just Enterprise.

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Speaker 5: It is Anthony Abernezi in the Labor Party that are

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Speaker 5: engaging in ugly ethnic politics. They did that with the

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Speaker 5: Voice to Parliament. This whole debate started, don't forget with

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Speaker 5: a Labor polster Cos Samaras who said that a majority

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Speaker 5: of Indians are voting Labor. Now, as your colleague Rowandine

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Speaker 5: pointed out, who asked him to do that polling? Did

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Speaker 5: Labor ask him to do that polling? And if so,

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Speaker 5: why did they commission that polling? So Labor are the

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Speaker 5: masters of ethnic segmentation and division. It was just Enterprise

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Speaker 5: who stood up for equality. We know that actually non

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Speaker 5: non migrants because many have left societies that were based

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Speaker 5: on racial conflict and sectarian divisions. So those are the

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Speaker 5: points that should have been made by the Liberal Party leadership.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, this time, I actually don't think

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Speaker 4: this outrage has been manufactured by the media and the

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Speaker 4: more a deeming case. I think that was a big

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Speaker 4: part of the story. This seems to be led by

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Speaker 4: the bedweatherers and the Liberal Party. They're the ones who

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Speaker 4: are prolonging this story. And of course labor and the

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Speaker 4: Greens want to make all sorts of wild accusations, but

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Speaker 4: it's the Liberals have really given oxygen to this story.

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Speaker 4: And while we're still talking about it, Dan Wild, thank

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Speaker 4: you so much for your time joining me now. Is

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Speaker 4: the author of groundbreaking works, international best sellers. His latest

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Speaker 4: on democracies and death cults Douglas Murray. So let's start

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Speaker 4: with the murder of Charlie Kirk, one of the brightest

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Speaker 4: and bravest voices of his generation. A genuinely decent man,

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Speaker 4: a father of two, shot dead at the age of

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Speaker 4: thirty one at the type of event that had really

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Speaker 4: robust debate, of maintaining dialogue with your ideological opponents.

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Speaker 6: When people stop talking, really bad stuff, So when marriages

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Speaker 6: start parking. The worst happens when civilizations start talking civil

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Speaker 6: warrings is when you stop having a human connection with

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Speaker 6: someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to

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Speaker 6: want to commit violence against that group. What we as

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Speaker 6: a culture have to get back to is being able

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Speaker 6: to have a reasonable disagreement where violence is not an option.

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Speaker 4: Douglas, this is a heartbreaking, unimaginable loss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're speaking just a few hours after the murder

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Speaker 1: of child Kirk, and it was like everyone my thoughts

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Speaker 1: with Charlie, but also his wife, his young wife, and

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Speaker 1: his two young children that he leaves behind. It's an extraordinary,

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Speaker 1: appalling act of violence. And I wish I could say

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Speaker 1: that it's completely un completely surprising, but it isn't, because,

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Speaker 1: of course, we've had assassination attempts on President Trump, who

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk has been a very vocal supporter and ally

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Speaker 1: of for many years now, and there have been many

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Speaker 1: threats over the years against Charlie himself. What we just

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Speaker 1: heard him saying in that video is something that Charlie

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Speaker 1: of his energies since he first came onto the scene

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Speaker 1: at the young age of about eighteen or so and

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Speaker 1: found it turning point. Since then, he had always made

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Speaker 1: an effort to dress this point that yes, you need

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Speaker 1: to be able to talk, you need to have differences

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Speaker 1: of opinion out in the public square, and that it

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Speaker 1: is the best way to avoid a dissent into political violence.

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Speaker 1: And although he made that point so often, so many

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Speaker 1: of his critics, most of whom I suspect, really never

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Speaker 1: listened to anything that Charlie said, demonized him, misrepresented him,

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Speaker 1: and did that classic thing that unfortunately so much of

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Speaker 4: Beautifully said, and I think you're so right. Let's step

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Speaker 3: It's a pleasure still to come.

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Speaker 4: Lefties Losing It pass a deep dive into the dangerous

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Speaker 4: some of the ugliness, some of the utter depravity that

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Speaker 9: Charlie Kirk just got shot. Oh well, breaking news, folks,

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Speaker 9: seem somebody just took a shot at one of the

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Speaker 9: Phanta fastest favorite five mile wide mouthpieces, Charles Chuckle Kirk.

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Speaker 4: And sadly, the vile left has not been shy about

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Speaker 4: showcasing their ugliness, their utter callous depravity.

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Speaker 3: This is what leftism does to your mind and soul.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk got shot and killed.

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Speaker 8: How do you feel?

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Speaker 10: Happy?

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Speaker 9: Goodbye?

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Speaker 10: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Did you see that?

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Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk just got shot and killed?

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Speaker 1: That's okay, Wow, that's good.

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Speaker 10: Its good.

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Speaker 1: The people are getting shoge yourself in political view.

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Speaker 2: Partly Kirk gets shot and killed. Today, we're just getting

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Speaker 2: people's opinions.

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Speaker 11: How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 9: Girl?

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Speaker 3: Someone had to do it, and that's how I feel

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Speaker 3: at this point in time.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I appreciate your honesty.

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Speaker 2: I truly do so.

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Speaker 1: You said someone had to do it. Yes, try not

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Speaker 1: to get all pulled up into that.

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Speaker 7: But he was a misogynist.

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Speaker 8: He was a disgusting person with disgusting beliefs.

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Speaker 4: Enough of that trash, Let's look at how the media

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Speaker 4: professionals covered this tragic event, this act of domestic terrorism.

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Speaker 3: Here is MSNBC in which are shooting like this happens?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again emphasize what you just emphasize. We don't

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Speaker 2: know any of the full details of this that. We

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Speaker 2: don't know if this was a supporter or shooting their

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Speaker 2: gun off in celebration or so, we have no idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty sure we knew immediately it wasn't that.

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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk's supporters don't go around shooting their guns in

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Speaker 4: celebration like they're attending some wedding in your life.

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Speaker 3: And of course.

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Speaker 4: MSNBC had to engage in victim blaming by cooling Charlie device.

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Speaker 10: Charlie Kirk is a divisive figure, polarizing, lightning, raw, whatever

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Speaker 10: term you want to use.

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Speaker 11: Why, Well, he's one of maga's most prominent voices onliney

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Speaker 11: hosts in your Daily podcast.

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Speaker 3: But that was just stupid.

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Speaker 4: What I'm about to play you is straight out depraved,

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Speaker 4: disgusting commentary. This is Matthew Dad again on MSNBC. Not

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Speaker 4: long after Charlie was shot.

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Speaker 2: He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger

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Speaker 2: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this

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Speaker 2: sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.

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Speaker 2: And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to

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Speaker 2: hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's the environment we're in that people just you

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Speaker 2: can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have

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Speaker 2: and then saying these awful words and not expect awful

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Speaker 2: actions to take place.

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Speaker 1: And that's the fortunate environment we're in.

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Speaker 4: That was so vile, so hateful and frankly deranged and

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Speaker 4: dangerous that even MSNBC had to take some action and

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Speaker 4: they've sacked Matthew Dad, but it's MSNBC.

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Speaker 3: It may be back before the end of the month, and.

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Speaker 4: The asenine commentary wasn't restricted to commentators on MSNBC. Governors

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Speaker 4: joined in. Here is the rotand governor of crime riddled

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Speaker 4: in Illinois.

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Speaker 3: Blaming President Trump.

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Speaker 4: The man Charlie Kirk worked tirelessly to re elect Governor

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Speaker 4: Pritzker blames Donald Trump for fomenting political violence.

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Speaker 11: Political violence, unfortunately, has been ratcheting up in this country.

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Speaker 11: We saw the shootings, the killings in Minnesota. We've seen

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Speaker 11: other political violence occur in other states, and I would

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Speaker 11: just say it's got to stop. And I think there

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Speaker 11: are people who are fomenting it in this country. I

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Speaker 11: think the president's rhetoric often foments it.

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Speaker 4: Did that Nincom poop really mention the Minnesota shooter, the

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Speaker 4: trans identified lunatic who shot children in a Catholic school

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Speaker 4: and wanted to kill Donald Trump? Yeah, it's Trump who

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Speaker 4: was almost killed by an assassin's bullet. Who is to

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Speaker 4: blame for leftist violence? Not these not these lefties losing it.

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Speaker 6: He insulted, your wife, he's on the escalator and callt

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Speaker 6: Mexican's rapist emmers.

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Speaker 2: He said, well, what do you think of to do?

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Speaker 12: So?

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Speaker 4: I think you should punsh him in the face and

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Speaker 4: then gotten out of the race.

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Speaker 3: You would have been a hero. I'd like to punch

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Speaker 3: him in the face.

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Speaker 1: I said, if we're in high school, I take you

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Speaker 1: behind the gym and beat the hell.

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Speaker 13: Out of him.

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Speaker 10: Punt some people in the face. When was the last

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Speaker 10: time an actor assassinated a president?

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Speaker 13: They're still going to have to go out and put

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Speaker 13: a bullet in Donald Trump, and that's a fact.

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Speaker 12: Look as his character is stabbed to death.

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Speaker 3: Where is John Wilke's booth when you need.

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Speaker 11: I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the

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Speaker 11: White House.

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Speaker 12: I will go and take Trump out to night. And

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Speaker 12: if you see anybody from that cabinet in a.

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Speaker 14: Restaurant, in a department, staff, at.

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Speaker 3: A gasoline station.

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Speaker 6: You get out and you create a cloud, and you

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Speaker 6: goes back on them and you tell.

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Speaker 1: Them then welcome anyway anywhere.

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Speaker 4: President Donald Trump has called the murder of Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 4: a dark moment for America.

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Speaker 12: To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief

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Speaker 12: and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on

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Speaker 12: a college campus in Utah. Charlie inspired millions in tonight.

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Speaker 12: All who knew him and loved him are united in

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Speaker 12: shock and horror. This is a dark moment for America.

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Speaker 12: Charlie Kirk traveled the nation, joyfully engaging with everyone interested

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Speaker 12: in good faith debate. His mission was to bring young

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Speaker 12: people into the political process, which he did better than

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Speaker 12: anybody ever, to share his love of country, and to

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Speaker 12: spread the simple words of common sense on campuses nationwide.

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Speaker 12: He championed his ideas with courage, logic, humor, and grace.

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Speaker 4: And the President noted the spate of deadly political violence

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Speaker 4: from the left. He called such acts, including the assassination

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Speaker 4: of Charlie Kirk, as acts of domestic terrorism.

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Speaker 12: It's a long past time for all Americans and the

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Speaker 12: media to confront the fact that violence and murder are

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Speaker 12: the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree,

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Speaker 12: day after day, year after year, in the most hateful

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Speaker 12: and despicable way possible. For years, those on the radical

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Speaker 12: left have come compared wonderful Americans like Charlie too Nazis.

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Speaker 12: From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year,

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Speaker 12: which killed their husband and father, to the attacks on

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Speaker 12: ice agents, to the vicious murder of a healthcare executive

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Speaker 12: in the streets of New York, to the shooting of

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Speaker 12: House Majority leader Steve Scalise and three others. Radical of

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Speaker 12: political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken

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Speaker 12: too many lives. Charlie was the best of America, and

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Speaker 12: the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country.

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Speaker 12: An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but

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Speaker 12: he failed, because together we will ensure that his voice,

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Speaker 12: his message, and his legacy will live on for countless

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Speaker 12: generations to come.

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Speaker 4: Let's bring in documentary filmmaker and commentator Army Horowitz.

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Speaker 3: Army, this is a dark day for America.

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Speaker 4: I don't think those celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination and I've

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Speaker 4: seen sadly a lot of that on social media, and

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Speaker 4: I think most people understand what they have unleashed. The anger,

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Speaker 4: the sadness over this assassination is profound.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think you're right. And before I spit fire

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Speaker 14: and believe me that, I will, let me take a

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Speaker 14: step back and talk about Charlie for a moment into

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Speaker 14: some personal anecdotes. I considered him a friend, even though

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Speaker 14: we were a generation apart. He was somebody that if

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Speaker 14: I had a question or some advice, I had to

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Speaker 14: call them and reach out to him. He's so generous

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Speaker 14: with his time. The first time I met him, God,

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Speaker 14: it was well over ten years ago, made thirteen, fourteen

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Speaker 14: years ago. He was a teenager, he was just starting

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Speaker 14: turning point. I think we met at at prager U

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Speaker 14: conference in California and somebody introduced the two of us,

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Speaker 14: so This is a guy you should know. His name

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Speaker 14: is Charlie Kirk. He's a comer and Charlie had been

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Speaker 14: fundraising for Turning Point USA, right was to see the

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Speaker 14: beginning of this organization. And in our conversation he was

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Speaker 14: talking about the people he's raising money for him while

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Speaker 14: he was there, and for anyone who knows who raises

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Speaker 14: money was investors who keep those things close to your

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Speaker 14: vest Right, that's the lifeblood, the money that keeps and

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Speaker 14: creates the organization you're creating. And he mentioned one of

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Speaker 14: these billionaires that he raised some money from, and I

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Speaker 14: just mentioned, just casually, it's a great guy, great money

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Speaker 14: for I've been trying to reach him for years, not

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Speaker 14: even asking for a favor. And he immediately said, here's

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Speaker 14: the guy's cell phone number, give him a call. I'm

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Speaker 14: sure you're happy to help. Okay, that was the kind

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Speaker 14: of guy Charlie Kirk was, Okay, a friend to all,

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Speaker 14: a hater of no one. He criticized people, but he

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Speaker 14: did not have hatred in his heart, which makes this

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Speaker 14: even more even more difficult. Look, I have all types

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Speaker 14: of friends, right. I have friends on the far right,

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Speaker 14: I have friends in the far left. I have friends

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Speaker 14: everywhere in between. And I got to tell you, Rita,

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Speaker 14: it is I am scared to call some of my

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Speaker 14: friends on the center left, never mind the far left,

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Speaker 14: to talk about this. I'm afraid what they're gonna say.

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Speaker 14: Going over the social media, going over Instagram and and

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Speaker 14: Facebook and Twitter, and listening to what people are saying,

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Speaker 14: even on the mainstream media. I heard you talk about

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Speaker 14: MSNBC over and over again. I think it's important to

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Speaker 14: note the callousness in which they're covering. This saddens me

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Speaker 14: and scares me. And and if a friend of mine

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Speaker 14: said to me, oh, I'm so happy Charlie Kirk is dead,

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Speaker 14: I don't know if I could talk that person again.

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Speaker 14: I gotta be honest with you, Rita. It's just one divide,

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Speaker 14: and it's blaming the It's so funny. It's the left

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Speaker 14: blaming the victim right. He deserved it what he said.

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Speaker 14: By the way, he wasn't an alt right figure. He

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Speaker 14: was a mainstream Republican right. He believed in family values.

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Speaker 14: He believed that if you're a woman, you're a woman.

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Speaker 14: If you're a man, if you're a man. He didn't

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Speaker 14: have hate in his heart. He was about openness, to

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Speaker 14: get a free speech road show right where he went

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Speaker 14: to engage people on the left, not them, demonize the more,

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Speaker 14: attack them to find out what they thought, you know.

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Speaker 14: And this, I gotta say this. You know, we talked

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Speaker 14: about the violence of the left over and over again.

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Speaker 14: I hate it, but we keep talking about it because

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Speaker 14: it's a recurring theme in our political landscape. And this

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Speaker 14: is another example of that truth that the political violence

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Speaker 14: we've seen mostly, not exclusively, but mostly comes from the left,

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Speaker 14: and we see on the right what that actually is

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Speaker 14: the exception that proves the rule right. And I want

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Speaker 14: to go back for a second to Lewis Mangioni, because

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Speaker 14: I gotta say, every time I think about Charlie's death,

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Speaker 14: I think about Louis Magngioni, that to me was really

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Speaker 14: in the pun is intended the turning point to this,

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Speaker 14: because it was when he was murdered that this man

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Speaker 14: who was a healthcare executive, he wasn't even a political figure, right,

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Speaker 14: he didn't have, as far as I know, any political thoughts,

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Speaker 14: certainly not publicly.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 14: He was using businessman who was murdered because he happened

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Speaker 14: to be in the industry. The left in light Okay,

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Speaker 14: and the and the mainstream left. Vita, we're talking about

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Speaker 14: how wonderful it was and joked about the killing of

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Speaker 14: this business executive that to me was a significant change

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Speaker 14: in our political culture. Our campuses are Look, as you know,

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Speaker 14: I'm no stranger to violence for the political left. I've

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Speaker 14: been attacked physically on a university campus not that long ago,

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Speaker 14: because why because I raised the American flag. Look, you

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Speaker 14: said it. This is something they've unleashed, something dark and terrible,

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Speaker 14: and I'm afraid of what's to come.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: If I hear anybody in my orbit express any sort

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Speaker 4: of joy or try to justify this murder their couch,

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Speaker 4: you can't have people like.

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Speaker 3: That in your life.

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Speaker 4: That's just pure evil. Why would you want to have

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Speaker 4: that in your circle? And like you said, Charlie was

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Speaker 4: hardly a radical. He just expressed very much mainstream views,

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Speaker 4: things like there's only two genders, that people should get

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Speaker 4: married and raise kids, so that's where you find your

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Speaker 4: greatest happiness. He wasn't some five brand with radical ideas,

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Speaker 4: not that they would justify violence. But we are seeing

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Speaker 4: violence on university campuses and research from the Foundation for

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Speaker 4: Individual Rights and expression shows that one in three students

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Speaker 4: say that political violence is acceptable. We've got three in

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Speaker 4: four who are saying that shouting down someone is acceptable

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Speaker 4: on campus, but one in three army who think violence

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Speaker 4: is acceptable to silence someone who you don't agree with.

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Speaker 3: That is just chilling, it is, and that.

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Speaker 14: Certainly tracks with my experience. It's also a feature of

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Speaker 14: the left. Look, the truth is the left has no

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Speaker 14: affinity for free speech. Right, they haven't for a long time.

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Speaker 14: They used to be champions of free speech. I remember

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Speaker 14: the days and readA I'm sure you do also where

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Speaker 14: the ACLU, right a leftist organization, champion free speech to

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Speaker 14: the point where you know, I don't know if many

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Speaker 14: of you guys remember, but when I was a kid,

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Speaker 14: the Nazis were marching in a town called Skokie outside Chicago,

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Speaker 14: and it was the ACLU, the left that defended their

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Speaker 14: right to do that. Well, the the what has happened

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Speaker 14: the ACLU is indicative of the left in general and

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Speaker 14: how they've changed their views on free speech. No other

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Speaker 14: than New York Times right, did this really fascinating article

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Speaker 14: a number of years ago about the transformation the ACLU,

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Speaker 14: and it says everything about the left and free speech

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Speaker 14: and that they had The New York Times admitted that

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Speaker 14: they have completely changed their perspective. They have become an

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Speaker 14: anti free speech organization. They had become an organization that

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Speaker 14: censors people's speech, which tracks exactly with what we see

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Speaker 14: on the left, particularly on our campuses, where this has

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Speaker 14: been a you know this, this this picture dish of

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Speaker 14: radicalism that we've seen right and violence that we've seen.

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Speaker 3: Horoweitz, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 4: Tonight, still to come the rise and rise of Charlie

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Speaker 4: Kirk and how the biggest names in the industry reacted

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Speaker 4: to his tragic murder. Gabriella Power joins me next.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back.

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Speaker 4: Joining me now is host of Power Hour at Sky News,

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Speaker 4: Gabriella Power. Gab the founder of Turning Point USA. Charlie

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Speaker 4: Kirk came to great prominence in part due to these

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Speaker 4: debates in hold at college campuses.

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Speaker 3: Let's have a look at a couple of these clips.

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Speaker 4: Here was Charlie asking women the simple question what is

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Speaker 4: a woman and marveling at their inability to answer their question.

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Speaker 9: This is quite amusing, But there's a.

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Speaker 3: Woman that's a stupid question.

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Speaker 1: What is a woman?

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Speaker 6: It's not a trick.

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Speaker 3: Questions what is a woman?

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Speaker 6: You can't answer the question with the questions, yeah, to

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Speaker 6: find the woman without saying woman.

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Speaker 4: Their reluctance, their failure to answer that question, and they

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Speaker 4: all know that questions coming because I think he asked

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Speaker 4: every debate when this issue would come up.

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Speaker 3: He was so good at it.

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Speaker 4: Gab he was sharp, but also funny and always good nature.

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Speaker 15: He was absolutely brilliant. And it just breaks my heart

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Speaker 15: looking at that clip you played just there, because he's

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Speaker 15: so full of life, he's so engaging. You know, there's

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Speaker 15: a reason that his clips would go viral right around

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Speaker 15: the world. He was brilliant, he was fearless, and he

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Speaker 15: was a visionary. And as you say, he kind of

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Speaker 15: became pretty prominent because he would hold these college debates

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Speaker 15: and he would draw in just enormous crowds and he

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Speaker 15: would ask, you know, college educated students, what is a woman?

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Speaker 15: Really simple questions, but when they couldn't answer, and you know,

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Speaker 15: I think it's really amazing. Charlie Kirky didn't go to university.

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Speaker 15: He's a self made man. Yet he could take on

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Speaker 15: students from elite universities. He'd go to Oxford who'd go

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Speaker 15: right around the country and he would challenge. He would

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Speaker 15: challenge them over some pretty well basic and also controversial

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Speaker 15: topics such as what is a woman? And you would

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Speaker 15: see in real time students for the very first time

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Speaker 15: thinking critically about this issue issue of gender. Yes, a

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Speaker 15: woman is a biological female. I mean, Charlie was absolutely brilliant.

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Speaker 15: He cut through and he wasn't afraid to take on

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Speaker 15: the woke agender. And I think we should all be

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Speaker 15: so grateful for his hard work and dedication and really

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Speaker 15: all his efforts that he worked tirelessly going around the country.

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Speaker 15: Talking to gen Zs. We saw that in the election

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Speaker 15: result he was instrumental in Donald Trump's win.

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Speaker 4: He was only thirty one years of age. He had

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Speaker 4: so much more to do, and he was already so good.

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Speaker 4: Scary to think just what heights he would have reached

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Speaker 4: in ten years, twenty thirty years. He just had so

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Speaker 4: much more to give. It's such a tragedy. And this

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Speaker 4: next clip really shows you the character of the man.

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Speaker 4: Here he is speaking to someone in the US Air

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Speaker 4: Force and giving them some comfort.

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Speaker 7: Every day that you got to fight for us. You say,

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Speaker 7: I'm not fighting for politicians I'm fighting for the three

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Speaker 7: year old right now in Reno, Nevada so they can

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Speaker 7: have a better future. I'm fighting for the homeschool parent.

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Speaker 7: I'm fighting for the pastor. I'm fighting so that we

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Speaker 7: can keep on having liberty life and the pursuit of

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Speaker 7: happy Like liberty, pursuit of happiness, that's what you're fighting for,

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Speaker 7: not the dene of thieves in Washington, DC. God bless

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Speaker 7: you man, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: And Charlie was all about family. Watched this beautiful moment

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Speaker 3: with his firstborn, Yab.

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Speaker 4: It's just heartbreaking seeing that this is such a huge

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Speaker 4: loss for his generation, but the loss for his family,

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Speaker 4: his children, that's what really breaks your heart.

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Speaker 3: Those kids are so young.

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Speaker 15: Oh, it is so heartbreaking. And you know, Charlie was

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Speaker 15: so brilliant because he could talk about political issues, but

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Speaker 15: he was so clear on his values, his love of God,

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Speaker 15: his love of family, and his love of America. And

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Speaker 15: he really, I think, invited so many people into his life.

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Speaker 15: He was such a proud husband, such a proud father.

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Speaker 15: And I was looking at his wife, Erica's Instagram page

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Speaker 15: recently and she uploaded her photograph of her and Charlie.

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Speaker 15: She was also really open about their love story, and

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Speaker 15: I have to read you part of what she wrote.

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Speaker 15: She said, five years ago today, we sat inside bills

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Speaker 15: Berger's in New York City, deep in conversation and banter

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Speaker 15: over theology, philosophy, and politics. The end, he paused, looked

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Speaker 15: at me and said, I'm going to date you. And

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Speaker 15: it just seemed so Charlie. I mean, that was such

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Speaker 15: a Charlie Kirk thing to say, because we all feel

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Speaker 15: like we knew him. I mean, he had this brilliant personality,

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Speaker 15: and I think he also shared such an amazing message

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Speaker 15: with young people to go after the American dream, you know,

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Speaker 15: to Chase getting married, having being a homeowner and having children.

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Speaker 3: He was positive. He was a positive force.

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Speaker 4: He was always even when he was talking about dark

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Speaker 4: issues and a crisis in the country, he always came

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Speaker 4: with it with such a positive light and solutions and hope.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 4: He was admired by some of the very best in

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Speaker 4: the business for his intellect and his courage and his

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Speaker 4: moral clarity, which you mentioned. Here's how a few of

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Speaker 4: the best in the media reacted.

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Speaker 3: To his death.

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Speaker 13: They're reporting that Charlie has died, that he's dead.

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Speaker 1: The age of thirty one.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, count I mean there's legit nothing to say. I

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Speaker 10: mean it's rare that you know there's nothing to say,

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Speaker 10: but there's truly nothing to say. I mean, unthinkable, absolutely unthinkable.

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Speaker 13: Charlie Kirk would have been president. Charlie Kirk would have

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Speaker 13: been president. His friends knew it, as many many admirers

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Speaker 13: knew it, and his enemies, to whom he was always

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Speaker 13: so gracious, they knew it too, Yab.

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Speaker 3: I believe that completely. I think he would have been president.

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Speaker 4: I think could have been JD's running partner in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty eight, but he was thirty one. He could have

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Speaker 4: run in twenty years, thirty forty years. There it is

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Speaker 4: such a last gap power. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 4: your time tonight, and that's all the time we have.

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Speaker 4: I'll see you tomorrow night at nine for Left, He's

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Speaker 4: losing it. Newsnight is up next

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Speaker 8: S