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Speaker 1: For twenty five of those years I was catching killers.

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Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I was a

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Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,

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Speaker 1: The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories

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Speaker 1: from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw

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Speaker 1: and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some

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Speaker 1: of the content and language might be confronting. That's because

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Speaker 1: no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.

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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world.

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Speaker 1: He went from a youth detention center to become the

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Speaker 1: four times world boxing champion. Today I'm at the home

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Speaker 1: of Ossie Icon.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Fennick.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the moment a troublesome teenager walked into

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Speaker 1: the Newtown Police Boys Club and change boxing history forever.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Faneck, Welcome to I Catch Killers. Thank you well

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Speaker 1: on a true crime podcast.

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Speaker 3: Always a pleasurement. I love doing this stuff.

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Speaker 4: I love being able to share my stories and hopefully

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Speaker 4: the stories that I share make people a bit of people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think and the fact that the life

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Speaker 4: Well, I certainly wouldn't be here without boxing. But the

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Speaker 4: reason why boxing because Johnny Lewis saying if I didn't

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Speaker 4: to get beat up. It was it was Johnny Lewis,

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Speaker 4: who I don't know, had this magnetic force that made

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Speaker 3: So you know what what happened to be? For that?

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Speaker 3: So I was the enemy.

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Speaker 1: Well for what that's where if I was excited, So

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Speaker 3: So I was never going to turn my back on anybody.

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Speaker 3: Brother. If somebody bashes you or hits you, They've got

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Speaker 4: My father taught me one thing. When you go out

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Speaker 3: It's the old Bible said an eye for an eye.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think loyalty is a strong value that's underestimated

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a lot of mates in the police.

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, it's the same.

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Speaker 4: When you win to lose the fight, you Johnny Luis

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Speaker 4: But like I said, that's that's part and past of

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Speaker 1: Foot And I think that's the character of that He

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Speaker 4: Think of this Kangaroo tools. They took him away there,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the most. Definitely your early early days. So you

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Speaker 2: What was What were you like then?

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Speaker 4: Well, I played football every afternoon. Soon a school was done,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's where you always had that street smart,

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Speaker 4: And then, like I said, my father was so strict.

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Speaker 1: So you were you're heading for a path of trouble

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Speaker 3: I mean we went and played.

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Speaker 4: Football while we're there and there. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 4: The only thing that I regret the iced to think, Oh,

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Speaker 4: didn't realize. I didn't realize the hurt that I put

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Speaker 4: And see my brother was in there, he was in Gosford,

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Speaker 3: If I thought.

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Speaker 1: It's a good message, Jeff, because I think at that

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Speaker 4: You just think you're tough around, your mates are good,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you don't realize the hurt and the

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you talk boys home, and there's an interesting

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Speaker 3: He was one of the toughest guys ever came out.

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Speaker 2: There is something something about Nata.

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Speaker 4: Him and his group the Legends, and did a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that's why he was in the boys

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Speaker 2: Not for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to become a professional boxer. And that turned

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll never forget the first day he turned up

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Speaker 4: He sparted his named Pierre Karen, who was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: He got a built in his first part. He went

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Speaker 4: He knew that the discipline and everything else that took

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's the magic of boxing butt too, isn't it. Because

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's it's a discipline that you've got to

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Speaker 2: I think we make a huge difference.

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Speaker 4: Forget forget police boys clubs. School Every school in the

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Speaker 3: So they don't go. Man. You know what upsets me

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Speaker 4: Nobody, you know, bully my children or try to say

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Speaker 3: And they've got to learn today that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got to teach all our kids some you

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Speaker 4: I've been with police to say come on mate, you

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Speaker 4: But like I said, if you are confident, you you

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Speaker 4: and you've got no choice.

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Speaker 2: Jeff.

442
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Speaker 1: I've tried to make this point because when I people

443
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Speaker 1: think it's counterintuitive that a kid like yourself you get

444
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,119
Speaker 1: in street fights, you've been put in the boys home

445
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,840
Speaker 1: for fighting, and then teach you the boxing. How's that

446
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,480
Speaker 1: going to change? And the naysayers will say, well, you're

447
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,879
Speaker 1: just teaching him how to beat up people. But my

448
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 1: observation of people that have the confidence that they've learnt

449
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,200
Speaker 1: through learning how to fight and look after themselves is

450
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,680
Speaker 1: that they don't have to prove themselves all the time.

451
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,639
Speaker 2: They can walk like the bullies. Invariably you must bullies.

452
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 3: Then they know that I know who to pick on who.

453
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,679
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's Once you know how to look after yourself,

454
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,639
Speaker 1: you can walk away from a situation if you have to.

455
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 1: You can back yourself up if you need to, but

456
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 1: you can walk away from a situation.

457
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,399
Speaker 4: Gary, I will never forget one of the things that

458
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,119
Speaker 4: Johnny Lewis told me. You said, I've taught you to

459
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 4: do this in the room, not to be able to

460
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 4: build it outside. And I've got some boys that I trained,

461
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,119
Speaker 4: I said, young kids who were bullied and they're a

462
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,360
Speaker 4: little autistic. May they leave this house the happiest kids

463
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 4: in the world, knowing that they can look after themselves. Now,

464
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 4: I love when they walk out. That's maybe the greatest

465
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,120
Speaker 4: thing I've ever done. Every day, when these boys walk

466
00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 4: out of my house and I see the smile on

467
00:19:58,600 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 4: their face and.

468
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,639
Speaker 3: When I leave, they can't wait to get back. For me,

469
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 3: it's infectious, So I love it.

470
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,440
Speaker 4: I mean, if I had a million kids walk through

471
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 4: this house to day, I made them leave and not

472
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,160
Speaker 4: they couldn't wait to get back.

473
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 3: I've done my job.

474
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 2: Well.

475
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Speaker 1: The fact that referencing back to Nada, the fact that yeah,

476
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 1: just by the words that you had on that in

477
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 1: your book inspired him enough to turn turn his life around,

478
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 1: and that's you know, if you can change one person,

479
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 1: it's something positive.

480
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 3: And from Nata come his son.

481
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 4: Train As has an amazing talent that I think and

482
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Speaker 4: I'm sure Nada is this kind of father. Nada food

483
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 4: for the world title and everyone I think has I

484
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 4: think has can win the world title. So it's it's

485
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 4: going to be interesting.

486
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: Well, the synergy of you having an influence in Nata,

487
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: then training with him, and then now you're looking after

488
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 1: his son.

489
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Speaker 3: It's exciting for me.

490
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Speaker 4: Like I said, I've been around Hassen his family since

491
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 4: he was born, so you know, they're an amazing family.

492
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 4: The mother, the father, and the brothers are all very

493
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 4: very close in there. It's kind of pleasure being around that.

494
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 2: Rock solid human being.

495
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 1: Native from what I've seen, and he's doing some work

496
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: with kids, troubled kids and all that, and I think

497
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 1: it's so important.

498
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, is this kind of guy.

499
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 4: But Nate has to learn that even in this day

500
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,479
Speaker 4: and age, if it's black, it's black, toad. But I've

501
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 4: got to till later. You can't just say this as

502
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 4: if it's black. You've got to shade a little bit.

503
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 4: You got to let it come out because some of

504
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 4: these kids just yeare they go home and say something,

505
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 4: the family go and to all the school teacher. Somebody

506
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 4: said something, and and you're not there any longer. But

507
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 4: the other guys we need, we need the nadors.

508
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Speaker 1: Jeff, you might I'm laughing because you've probably were probably

509
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: talking about the same story. But yeah, he gave someone

510
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: some advice. It was very good advice. Was the kid

511
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: appreciated the advice.

512
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: But the teacher didn't.

513
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: The world you can't say that it.

514
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: Was the best thing for them one hundred percent, but yeah,

515
00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 1: that's the world that. How did you end up in

516
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: the New Town boxing gym? What brought you there to

517
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: start with?

518
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 3: I went to the youth club with some friends that

519
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: we were We wanted to beat up some guys that

520
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: were being a little.

521
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 4: Smart, and downstairs we walked through. We went through all

522
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 4: the There was a weight room downstairs, and the showers

523
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 4: and the sewing room.

524
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Speaker 3: We're looking through there. Then we went upstairs. There was

525
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 3: a wrestling room, and there was a judo room, and.

526
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 4: The last one was boxing. And they had a little

527
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 4: glass window on there and said boxing. As I looked through,

528
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 4: and we're looking for those people because the door was closed.

529
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 4: I've seen a kid from my school that also played

530
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 4: football with me. His name was Mark krub And I went,

531
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 4: there's nowhere else to go. So I went and sat

532
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 4: down and I wanted to watch him box. You know,

533
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 4: thought could beat everybody anyway. But I heard Johnny Litle

534
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 4: saying to him about it would be great to get

535
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 4: some sparring for him and stuff, and I said.

536
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 3: I was sparring.

537
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 4: You know.

538
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. It ended up being the best decision, but not

539
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 3: at that time.

540
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 4: It didn't end up good. I was winded and stuff,

541
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 4: and Johnny's telling me how great I was. After I'm thinking,

542
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 4: excuse me, this old bustard thinks some stupid may you

543
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 4: got to come back tomorrow.

544
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, I'll come back with my friends,

545
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to pretend I was not.

546
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: I thought Johnny's just lining up for yeah.

547
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 4: Yeah. I didn't want to in front of my friends

548
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: make out that I was a count and say no,

549
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: I'm not coming back, So yeah, I'm coming back. When

550
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: I got home that night, I've had a share and

551
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 4: stuff and filed my ribs and how I was winded

552
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 4: and everything else, and I said no, I don't know.

553
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: The next day for some reason that Magne Johnny Lewis and.

554
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: I know, and I've heard you say countless times, and

555
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: I fully get it that you were your success in

556
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: part or a big part of it was driven by

557
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: not letting letting Johnny Johnny down.

558
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 3: Ah, No, no, you wouldn't. I don't know. I think

559
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 3: maybe more than anything else.

560
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 4: When I seen Johnny at the end of the at

561
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 4: the end of the fight jump in there with I

562
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 4: knew I'd done my job. You know, that's say this,

563
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 4: But it was for him more than for myself, and

564
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 4: my fam was for him more than anything. Everything else

565
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 4: came after that when I seen him, and then the

566
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 4: rest of the crowd stuff.

567
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: First my.

568
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 4: First foot forward to were to cuddle Johnny before I

569
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 4: darn anything else and then the crowd everything else were

570
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 4: there and I love that more than anything. To be

571
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 4: this little kid that's got twelve and fifteen thousand people

572
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: screaming for you and am rooting for you was real,

573
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 4: really important.

574
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Speaker 1: It's funny with Johnny because he's such a quietly spoken person.

575
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: Then you see some of the toughest and most notorious

576
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: people in the town because I get around with him

577
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: a bit, all pay homage and respect to him.

578
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: And then the hard ass sportsman.

579
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: He just has a way away about him like bringing

580
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: probably bringing the best out of people.

581
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: Oh with that doubt, AM.

582
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 4: Met some of the biggest gangsters and whenever you want

583
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 4: to call them in Australian history, that all have the

584
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: utmost respect for you, and that that speaks for himself.

585
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: That's seem He's just an amaze me, Johnny. I'll never forget.

586
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 3: We were in Dubbo and we went to the fights

587
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: and in the fights.

588
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 4: There was a bit of an argument and stuff, and

589
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 4: Peter mctwski fought and I'm walking down the street. I

590
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: got my hands a bustard and stuff because I had

591
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: a fighting because they had always.

592
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: Hurt me and a few of these people were swearing

593
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 3: us and stuff, and Johnny said, Jeff, don't just ignore

594
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: I'm not ignoring them, Johnny. That's said, Jeff, just ignore them.

595
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 4: There's gonna be fifty of them, and you know we're

596
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: in double there's gonna be fifty, Johnny, I'm not worrying.

597
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 4: So I turned around. I argued, all of a sudden,

598
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 4: there's fifty and start chasing. Anyway, we get to the

599
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 4: one and I couldn't run and won, so I turned around.

600
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 4: I start fighting. And the first thing I'll say out

601
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 4: from fighting this guy, this guy has a bottle and

602
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 4: he's just about to smash over Johnny's head. So I

603
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: run straight in front of it. Get the bottle cracked

604
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 4: right over my head. My head's all split up and

605
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: I'm bleeding. And anyway, the fight ended with a few

606
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 4: of them getting injured, and I was pretty injured. And

607
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 4: we went back to our hotel and Johnny says, Jeff,

608
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 4: they're going to come back here tonight with more people

609
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 4: and they're going to you know, I said, Johnny, don't

610
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 4: worry about just fixing my head.

611
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: So he fixed it and he made it.

612
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 4: Our driver, who at the time Brian Wilmot, drove straight

613
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: back to the city that night. I had to play

614
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 4: footy the next morning. So yeah, it was We've been

615
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: through some exciting times. I'll never forget that time Johnny

616
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 4: Johnny had these booths on say it couldn't really run too.

617
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: Fast, it was.

618
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: It was, Yeah, we've been through a lot together, and yeah,

619
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 4: would I change anything?

620
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't.

621
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 4: I mean, of course there are things that you'd like

622
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 4: to think that you could change, but listen, and what

623
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: I went through through my time has made me the

624
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 4: person name today Gary, and I'm very, very proud of

625
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 4: all him. I get these wankers saying this that I

626
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 4: stole to watch. I've never stole a watch in my life.

627
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: To steal, We've got to walk out of a shop

628
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: and I've never done that in my life. But I

629
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 4: could charge with it. And again that's my name is

630
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: Jeff Fennix.

631
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: So you got to the Olympic level in the amateurs.

632
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about your amateur career in boxing.

633
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 3: There's not really much to tell.

634
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: It was short and sharp.

635
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 4: I had twenty eight fights. Sam My represent austraight at

636
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 4: the World Cup. I went to Indonesia, I went to

637
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: the King's Cup in Thailand. I went to the World

638
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 4: Cup in Rome and it was all within twenty fights.

639
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: It was just like I said that, I don't know.

640
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's ever been down or if

641
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 4: it'll ever be done. When you think of how quick

642
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: everything happened for me, I go to the Olympics after

643
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: twenty four or twenty five fights, I win my first fight,

644
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 4: win my second fight, win my third body gets overturned

645
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 4: by the jury. For the first time in Olympic boxing history.

646
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: There was a jury and I come home no medal.

647
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 4: But I'll never forget the authority. Australian boxing authority.

648
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: Didn't stick up for me, wanted a little bit, didn't

649
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: go and complain that he wins the fight.

650
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: And that was the judges, just the people that are

651
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: not familiar with boxing. That was in the Olympics. So

652
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: it's an amateur boxing. You won the first two fights

653
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: and I think it was a quarter final or over

654
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: three rounds. It was three rounds, and the judges scored

655
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: the scored that you won the fights, which most people

656
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: observing well the judges of the judges, the judges, and

657
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: there's never been a jury before then they bought in

658
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: a jury and the jury overturned it. Yeah, they were

659
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: with a stronger country that you know, and like I said,

660
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: no disrespeak to Arthur Tunstan or any of those guys,

661
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: but they didn't even say word.

662
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: I just got another ring. Of course, I was greatly upset.

663
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: I got, you know, like, you know, this is what

664
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 4: people don't know about Jeffenny, and we talk about Michael

665
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 4: Jordan's and those kinds of people, and I got the

666
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 4: same mindset. Let me tell you I went to the

667
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 4: Olympics for one reason. I went to win a go

668
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 4: and middle for Australia. Nobody gave me a chance. I

669
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 4: had twenty four fights. I thought, guys that had three hundred,

670
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: two hundred, one hundred and ninety fights. When I got there,

671
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 4: I could have marched. But if I marched, it was

672
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: the you know, I had to go out in the heat.

673
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 4: So the biggest thing is when you march out with

674
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: the Australian team, you're recognized by all of Australia. I

675
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 4: never done it going because I wanted to fight. I

676
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 4: wanted to have my energy to fight, to fight that night.

677
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: So I didn't want to go on march and then

678
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: have to fight when I had to lose weight. The

679
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: second thing is when you go to the Olympics, you compete,

680
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: you know. And I only went there, like I said,

681
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: to win, when when that didn't happen to me, I

682
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: didn't the days that I won, I never went down

683
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: just I just kept thinking, I'm going to be the

684
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: first destroy I never did want to go on medal

685
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 4: when that didn't. When that doesn't happen, your next brain

686
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: thing with the Olympics is you can't wait now to

687
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: the Olympics because there's the biggest party ever. There's the

688
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: biggest party in the world going to happen. You're going

689
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 4: to go out, You're going to do this, You're going

690
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: to do it. As soon as I lost, I wanted

691
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 4: to get on a plane and go home. You're going

692
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: to miss the party. And I didn't go there for

693
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 4: a party again. I wanted to win a gold medal.

694
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: That that says a lot, doesn't it, Jeff about your mindset?

695
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: And I got on a plane the next day and

696
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: went home.

697
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: What separated you?

698
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: Because yeah, going to the Olympics, a lot of people

699
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: are day and that that's a highlight that you've gone there.

700
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: No winning goal, Well.

701
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: Most people who lose the Olympics. The highlight.

702
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 4: It's not them competing, it's the Olympic party. It's you know,

703
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: it's walking in front of your your whole nation. I

704
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 4: couldn't walk in front of the nation because if I

705
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: it was stinking hotter than LA I.

706
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: Was going to be be weak. From my flight. I

707
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: thought I wanted to win a medal.

708
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 4: At the end of the store, when they see me,

709
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: put a medal around my neck and they're gonna understand

710
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: why I couldn't march.

711
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, and then like I said, well, my friend,

712
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: now you can't miss the party. Just didn't big party.

713
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: We're gonna have all these goods. It's gonna happen. That's

714
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: gonna happen. I said, yeah, I want I'm going home.

715
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: You know I could never and I'll never forget that.

716
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 4: My interview just before I got on the plane was

717
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: I said this, if I don't let me win a

718
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: gold medal, I'm going to go home and become world champion.

719
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 4: And the reason why I said that was because while

720
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: I was there, I asked out the tunst and stuff

721
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 4: that I want to go home. I'm going to stay

722
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: at met again. I went in four years. In four

723
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 4: we use time. Me doing what I've done in twenty

724
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 4: eight flights, in one hundred flights, I'm going to be gone.

725
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to be gone medalists. But I asked them

726
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 4: for one thing. I asked them, and I want to

727
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 4: make sure that it's a guarantee that Johnny Lewis would

728
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 4: be in my corner. They said, we can't go into that.

729
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: So we came home, we waited a little bit, We

730
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 4: asked one more time with my sponsors that they said,

731
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 4: we can't guarantee that.

732
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: So I turned professional. One hundred and ninety six days later,

733
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: I was world champion.

734
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's talk about that. Just explain the people

735
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: that mightn't be for me. With boxing.

736
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: The difference between amateur boxing and professional boxing.

737
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot of difference, but back in the

738
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: day it's it's completely different now, the amateur style today

739
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: to what it was back in the day.

740
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: Were all those great Americans that won medals.

741
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: That in eighty four all went on to, you know,

742
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: sign huge contracts because the amateur systems was.

743
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: An apprenticeship for you as a pro.

744
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, now you can be the greatest avage in the

745
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 4: world and get down there the professional boxes. Nothing like it,

746
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: although it's changed a little, but me, I was always

747
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: distanced to be professional. Like I was fighting three rounds

748
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: as the amateur, but I was still fighting twelve sparring

749
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: twelve fifteen rounds as an amateur. I was sparring every

750
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: Australian champion that there was when I was like fifty

751
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: one fifty two kilos and there I was always competitive

752
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: with all of them. So when I got home and

753
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 4: I did turn professional, and I went from fighting three

754
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: rounds to you know, yeah, when I was fighting, it

755
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: was fifteen rounds.

756
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: For the world time, fifteen three minute rounds. Yes, and

757
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: I think I mightn't appreciate that.

758
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was like yeah, So in my seventh fight,

759
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 4: I fought fifteen rounds. Four more times I fought fifteen rounds.

760
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 4: They didn't all go fifth rounds, but one of them

761
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 4: went fourteen rounds, one went fifteen rounds. And you know,

762
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: most of those fights I wandered round goo. There weren't

763
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: fights where I went to a split decision or it

764
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: was closed. Every fight after ID finished and went straight

765
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: over and cudle Johnny's on, you had won.

766
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: You know, so going when you from it was eighty

767
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: four the Olympics, wasn't it. Yeah, so eighty five. You

768
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: turned professional late eighty four, a world.

769
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: Title in April eighty five.

770
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember it, Jeff. You know why I remember

771
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: it because I had passed out of the academy two

772
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: days before, and my biggest concern getting out of the

773
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: police academy was whether I was going to be rosted

774
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: when you were fighting. So I wanted to wanted to

775
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: watch it. So it was on the twenty sixth of April,

776
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was, Yeah, yeah, two days

777
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: after I got out of the academy, and I wasn't

778
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: on night shift, so.

779
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: I was wrapped. Tell us about that. Because people didn't

780
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: think you well.

781
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: The naysayers were saying, hey, yeah, you had limited amateur fights,

782
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: you've had seven or six professional fights.

783
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: There is no way you can fight for a world title.

784
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: They didn't just think there was no waking five to

785
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: fifty round me.

786
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: And let me tell you, I'm the first to put

787
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 4: my head up and say the IBF was a new

788
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: organization at the time. Setosi Hinhaki wasn't the greatest fighter

789
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 4: in the world at time, but he was world champion.

790
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 4: I had the opportunity and I took with both ends.

791
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: I stopped him in the ninth round. Then you've got

792
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: to realize I fought the Olympic gold medalist with a

793
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: broken hand and went fourteen rounds.

794
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: One that won the Yes, Steph McCrory, who won.

795
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 3: The Olympic gold medal. I fought him, and of course

796
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: he was with the great a Magus Stuart. They all

797
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: thought they were going to beat me. I knocked him

798
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: out in the fourteen round.

799
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: Prior to that, I thought a guy who was twenty

800
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 4: six and oh who was one of the America's biggest

801
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 4: names named Jerome Coffee, that win fifteen rounds and I

802
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: beat him. And the only reason why I win fifteen

803
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: rounds was because the referee was a cheat. He never

804
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 4: let me fight my fight. He kept every time i'd

805
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 4: get hi ho stop clean fire.

806
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: You know.

807
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when I later on in my career,

808
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 4: when I looked at a few videos of him, it

809
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: was the same referee riffed him on quite a few occasions. So, yeah,

810
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 4: things in boxing were corrupt in and they're still corrupt now.

811
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: Like they didn't want me whin. They never thought I

812
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: could win, you know, And when he came.

813
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 4: Here, he was this cocky guy walking through with a

814
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: big Master Blast thing and saying, now he's gonna knock

815
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 4: me out.

816
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 3: I can't do that.

817
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, even when I had my first one, We'll go

818
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 4: back to what you asked me, and nobody thought I

819
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 4: could win that. He's had seven fights and he's never

820
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: win fifteen rounds before. Gary Johnny Lewis put me through

821
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: fifteen rounds and one hundred occasions prior to that. He

822
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 4: knew exactly what I could do. He wouldn't He wouldn't

823
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 4: have let me fight if he didn't think I could win.

824
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: Tell us your mindset, Jeff, because there's different levels in boxing,

825
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: and I'm always fascinated by people that, Okay, I'm going

826
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: to be the world champion. I don't care who you

827
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: put in front of me. I'm going to beat this person.

828
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: Seven fights in you got people, Yeah, the they sayers

829
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: in your money, you're telling you you can't do it.

830
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: Was there any self doubt that you had? What was

831
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: the mindset you've got that going I can do this.

832
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: You remember what I told you early about people say

833
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: something about me. It just makes me want to be

834
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: harder and tell me go and.

835
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: Prove it wrong.

836
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I want to show them, you know. Yeah,

837
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: And you got to think of this too.

838
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: After seven fights and twenty eight amateur fights, I was

839
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: nowhere near the fire I was when I thought Victor kalagious.

840
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: I was learning every fight, so that for me as

841
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: well as being a world title, which made me feel

842
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 4: really really good, and it just made me get better

843
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 4: and better every fight. If you look at that was

844
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 4: my seventh fight, look at my eighth fight, look at

845
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 4: my nine. Every fighter got better and better. People again,

846
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: don't realize that. Tell me another fighter. I was the

847
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 4: being away chair of the world. I defended three times.

848
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: I moved up.

849
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 4: I want the super being away chef of the world.

850
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 4: I defended three times, moved up. I won the featherweight

851
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: Championship of the world. I defended three times, undefeated, every

852
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 4: in every division. And then I fight for the Union

853
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 4: lightweight title. They give me the title thirty years later,

854
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: but I wanted again. We're going to There's no boxing

855
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 4: in history that back then that won four world title.

856
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 4: I never won three and undefeated. I was the first

857
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 4: boxing history to be three time world champion. Undefeed. I

858
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 4: was the first boxer in history to be four time

859
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: world champion and be undefeated, and I thought, the great Amos,

860
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: who's one of the greatest fighters I ever leaved.

861
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: Take us into the into because I find this a

862
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: fascinating part of boxing too. What is on in the

863
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: change room before someone walks out into the arena. When

864
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: you won the world title, Hawden Pavian, you're in there

865
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: warming up. What's going through your mind? Take people into

866
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: the mind of a box, you know.

867
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 4: To be honest, I'm this guy. I hate the national

868
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 4: airth and being sung, I hate the introduction.

869
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: I just want to fight. And I was in there thinking, man,

870
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: I can't wait.

871
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: To get out there, and I'll never forget that that

872
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 4: that that is the only fight that I've been tired

873
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 4: in Gary. You know why, because I was in there thinking.

874
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: I was like, I was punching the walls. I couldn't

875
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: wait to get out and I used up all this

876
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 4: nervous energy. And I'll never forget Johnny's telling me to

877
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 4: settle down some keep all that energy for the fight,

878
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 4: but I couldn't.

879
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 3: I was punching the wall. I was, you know, thinking,

880
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: this is this is my time and here during that fight,

881
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 3: I got a little tired, and you know, every other fight.

882
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: That comes in with the experience too.

883
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: He's comfortable stage like that, not burning yourself and the

884
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: training leading up to it, that you don't cook yourself before.

885
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 3: That's what people don't realize. That's where Johnny was great.

886
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 4: Johnny was this guy who just knew how to, you know,

887
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: maneuver you into the right right position right at the time.

888
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 4: I'll never forget when I thought it was was my

889
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: first fight the drawer. I wasn't well a couple of

890
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: days prior to the fight because I went on a

891
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 4: run and my tits and them were there. So I

892
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: stayed and doubled what I'd done, and I'm going up

893
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 4: and down these hills, just showing him how how fit

894
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: and how strong I was. Man, I lost a lot

895
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 4: of energy and stuff. And I'll never forget how Johnny

896
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 4: didn't even ask me. He could tell him my training

897
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 4: and then he just he cut back on my work

898
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, why has he done this? And instead

899
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 4: of asking, We've just done what he said because I

900
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 4: knew what he'd done, because in my mind, an't you Yeah?

901
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's there's more of it than just you know,

902
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 4: training hard every day. Like I said, I tell everybody

903
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 4: if you go out there now, I'm you're in your

904
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: in your car and you burn the engine out every

905
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 4: day when you need that engineer to show it's not there.

906
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 4: I mean, Johnny was a professional, and hopefully I've learned

907
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: that from him that yeah, you need to you need

908
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 4: to peak on the day.

909
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: It isn't And people starting to wake up to the

910
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: science and now yeah it's changed.

911
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: And it's not just the science, but there are signs

912
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: as well. Yeah, there are signs if you're if you're

913
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: smart enough, if you know what you're doing, you know

914
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: that the person that you're you're associated with. Johnny and

915
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 4: I were like father, some best friends.

916
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: We were every He would pick up on your energy

917
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: straight away, straight away, whether whether it was in the gym,

918
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: whether we're having dinner.

919
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, while we're talking, Johnny knew exactly who I wasn't,

920
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 4: what turned me off and what turned me one.

921
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: That must have given you a lot of a lot

922
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: of comfort as you're progressing your way through the boxing

923
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: world having someone that you could trust.

924
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: How the funny thing is.

925
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 4: Going, like we're talking about this now and I am

926
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: trying to look at my fighters, and I think that

927
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: guy is going to be hard for him if we

928
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 4: can get this. Well, Johnny did enough to do that.

929
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 4: You know what, we had a we had a.

930
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: Matchmaker who put me in against Daniel Zarragozo.

931
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 4: Whoa who just lost the world title, who wins the

932
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 4: world title years after from remains world cham Who's in

933
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame day?

934
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: I thought in my twelve fidus, Yeah, I thought I

935
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: was gonna lose. But I don't know. Johnny just thought

936
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: I could be anybody in there.

937
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: You know, if you know the story to that, to

938
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 4: the to the lead up, I must have had the

939
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 4: worst leader of in my life because I've been having

940
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 4: problems with my private life in them the day we

941
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 4: have to get on the plane, I turn up and

942
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 4: my partner doesn't, so I don't.

943
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: Sleep all night. I come whatever and ever whatever, and yeah,

944
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: I still wonder fight.

945
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: I'll never forget in my boxing gear. I went to

946
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: the airport to get on a I got on the

947
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 4: red eye to come home to see what happened. But yeah,

948
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 4: every happens for a reason. But like I said, some

949
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 4: of the guys I thought at that stage in my career,

950
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: and I say it's remarkable. I mean nobody, Like I said,

951
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 4: nobody in the sport has ever done what I've done me.

952
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 4: I don't care who they say what they've done. Floyd

953
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: Maye with he might be undefeated, but let him let

954
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: him do what I've done at the at the stage

955
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: with the spirits, said nobody's donether.

956
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: Gary, Well, I think people now looking back acknowledged and

957
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: accepted what you were achieving, and at the time people

958
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: probably didn't really appreciate it because there was always that

959
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: he's fighting this weightly starts fighting the American fighters, and

960
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: then okay, well he's beaten them weightly fights and Mexican fighters.

961
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 4: When we talk about Agoza, seven years later, the great

962
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 4: Marco and Toney Brera and and Morales fights him, stops

963
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: him in the tenth round when he's eight years older

964
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: than when then I bought him.

965
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, and I won every single round

966
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: against him.

967
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 4: When they ask him who the hardest fighters they've had,

968
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 4: he says Jeff Fenick straightaway, you know, and you know

969
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 4: when I fought him, I had twelve fights.

970
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: What what was the discipline you had to keep to

971
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: keep progressing or maintain to keep progressing through that, Because

972
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: I would imagine you've become world champion. There's pitfalls and

973
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: trappings that come. You could be let me tell you

974
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: when you can be out and about and everyone's buying

975
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: your drinking.

976
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: I never went out back then. But when when you're

977
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 4: trying to win the world title, you're the hunter. When

978
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 4: you win it, you're you're the one that's getting hunted.

979
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: So your hunted, and I was. I was blessed that

980
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: I lost lots of my friends at that time because.

981
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: I was a recluse.

982
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 4: I ran in the morning, I rested, I watched days

983
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 4: of our lives. I went and trained every afternoon, I rested,

984
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: I had dinner, I went home, and a lot of

985
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 4: my friends you don't come out with us anymore.

986
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: And I try to explain them.

987
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: Look at the at the results, look at my rewards

988
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 4: for not doing I just done there and again.

989
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: I done that more than for myself.

990
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 4: For Johnny, because I knew that were the things that

991
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 4: Johnny toime I had to do to be successful. So

992
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 4: I hearing that he told me, you know, I done it.

993
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 4: There was never a day that I went to the

994
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: gym that Johnny said, did you run this morning? Did

995
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: you eat properly? Because he just knew I was disciplined.

996
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: It's a trap, but isn't it. And friends, I've seen it,

997
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: and you see with a lot of sportsmen or people

998
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: just making a success in any area of life.

999
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: Friends so called friends. Sometimes you just took the words

1000
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: out of my mouth because they don't want you.

1001
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: They're going to just take all those people that I

1002
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: thought my friends.

1003
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 4: They weren't marry they yeah, they were wrapped when I

1004
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: went and gave them things, but they didn't want me to.

1005
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: You know, I believe it makes them feel bad about themselves.

1006
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: Like it's almost like, let's keep keep this person down.

1007
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: Man, Well let's try to bring him down. Let's yeah,

1008
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 4: come on, you're going to come out. Like I said,

1009
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: I want to explain to all my all my boxes

1010
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: today I'm explained. And listen, these guys you think are

1011
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 4: your best friends that are asking you to go out,

1012
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: they're not your best friends. These guys that you think

1013
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: are your best friends, and I know you want to

1014
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: diet and they take you out there eating and drinking.

1015
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: They're not your best friends. They wouldn't do that to you.

1016
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: But that's life, and I mean that's I mean, like, listen,

1017
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 3: the greatest disease in the world is not cancer, it's

1018
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 3: not anything else. It's jealousy.

1019
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: You know.

1020
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: That's the greatest disease in the world. It's it's called jealousy.

1021
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: I mean, and with that you get all this stress

1022
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 4: and all this other bullshit that that leads you to

1023
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 4: other things. But like I said, when you can sit

1024
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: down and know that you're around somebody that just wants

1025
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 4: you to have success, then you're very, very lucky. And

1026
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 4: I can only say without any doubt that Johnny Lewis

1027
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 4: was that man. I mean, some of the guys who

1028
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 4: I trained with today are kind of now that I've

1029
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 4: grown up, and I look at it and I think

1030
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 4: of what happened.

1031
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: I question it tremendously.

1032
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: And like I said, I don't bring up names, but

1033
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 4: I know the people who I helped in every way,

1034
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 4: shape or form, and you know.

1035
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: I had to be they were jealous. They were jealous

1036
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: of my success.

1037
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 4: They were living, you know, behind me, instead of you know,

1038
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 4: being equal in front of me and everybody. I mean,

1039
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 4: as an athlete, you want to be the best. And

1040
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: that was just lucky that I was.

1041
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: Just On that issue of friendship, like I think, true

1042
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: friendship is that I would enjoy your success as much

1043
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: as if it was my success. That's what That's why

1044
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: they're real mate, real friendships.

1045
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are many of them going. I think we've

1046
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 4: learned that in your experiences the same as I've learned it.

1047
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely, But it's a quality that I think, yeah,

1048
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: we really should try and hang on to because I

1049
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: see too many people get dragged back into a world

1050
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: because they're friends, so called friends, or even family for

1051
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: that matter. It's got the wrong family drag you, drag

1052
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: you back.

1053
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: I'm happy you brought up fan. Well, I'll tell people

1054
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 4: this and said, listen, everybody talks about blood. Blood's nothing

1055
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: to me your brother or sister, your father or something

1056
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 4: done something wrong.

1057
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: Than my to my family, they're a blood.

1058
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna they're gonna they're gonna that's blood, but they're

1059
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: gonna be bleeding.

1060
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: I mean none of that.

1061
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 4: I don't believe any of that. She like, there's just

1062
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: the one word you said. It's looking and me being

1063
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 4: able to show you that. I'm You've been able to

1064
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: accept and show me that in return. That's when you

1065
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 4: know you've got a friend, or that's when you know

1066
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: your family member loves you and stuff.

1067
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen your mum talk about it, and she's

1068
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: like any any loyal mum, and she supports you. But

1069
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: it must have been a great joy for her seeing

1070
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: you steer your life in the right direction.

1071
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, my mom was Yeah.

1072
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: And my dad, like I said, my dad, was you

1073
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: lost your dad earlier?

1074
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, fifty seven. He was sick with the same problems

1075
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: that I had with my vows. My dad had valves

1076
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 4: putting into his heart when he was in his twenties,

1077
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 4: you know, and he lived at fifty seven. And I'll

1078
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 4: never forget. Just before I thought Victor Collagious and Johnny

1079
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 4: and I we had to go to the hospital because

1080
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 4: they said my dad's.

1081
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: Going to be dead.

1082
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 4: And my brothers were there cleaning him, shaving him, and

1083
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 4: the family were there, and the priest came in and

1084
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 4: my dad held my inn. I sad, I'm not going

1085
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 4: to fight, Dad. It was going to it was for

1086
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 4: my third world. Told you, yes, you're going to fight

1087
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 4: us down. I can't fight. I don't want to, you know,

1088
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: you know, he said, son, I'm.

1089
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 3: Going to be there. The priest was saying.

1090
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 4: My dad a week later watched me fight and died

1091
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 4: after I thought, and my dad was dressed in a suit,

1092
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 4: look like there was nothing wrong with him. Yeah, out

1093
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 4: of hospital watched me fight. So, like I said, I

1094
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 4: don't know, the world's a puzzle as far as I'm concerned.

1095
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 4: You know, just trying to put that puzzle together is

1096
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 4: really really difficult. Like I said, when I think think

1097
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 4: of these people who I thought my best friends in

1098
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 4: the world there today, I sit down and I kind

1099
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 4: of think how stupid I wasn't how wrong I was.

1100
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: But life. Life is a journey, isn't it, And like.

1101
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: There are all lessons I've learned so much from it

1102
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: I take.

1103
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: From Sometimes people are in your life for a period

1104
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: of time for a reason. You get, you get some

1105
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: reward from it, you give a little bit back, and

1106
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: then you move on.

1107
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: That's yeah, Garrey.

1108
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 4: People alway ask me, I'm sure if you're gonna ask

1109
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: me this question, what was my favorite fight and what

1110
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 4: was the highlight? Favorite fight? Without doubt, nothing compares to

1111
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 4: the fight that I got knocked out and I lost him.

1112
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: I love that fight because of who I am today.

1113
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be talking if I didn't do that, I'd

1114
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 4: be over in American I've had millions more dollars. I

1115
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 4: would be the person I am that I taught me

1116
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 4: everything about myself, everything about the world I live in,

1117
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: and yeah, yeah, I.

1118
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: Just you know it. That's interesting you to say that, Jeff,

1119
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: that like.

1120
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 4: You don't learn from me, you know me, Well, well,

1121
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 4: there's nothing to loom when you win, you just want

1122
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: to keep winning. But when you lose, there's a lot

1123
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: to learn. And then you learn about your surroundings. Who

1124
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 4: who your real friends are you learning about?

1125
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1126
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 4: You know, And man, that is without doubt, I love

1127
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 4: a zoom and Nelson for that, you know. And the

1128
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: reason why not for me, it was because I thought

1129
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 4: I was going to just go back out there and

1130
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 4: was just going to be around thirteen forty. I thought

1131
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 4: I was going to kill that guy in the second fight,

1132
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 4: and he went home. He studied me, he studying had

1133
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 4: to do, and I just, you know, I just became

1134
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 4: a big end. I don't even like the person that

1135
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 4: was back then. I don't like that guy that was

1136
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 4: three times world chair and undefeated. I got privileges and

1137
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 4: stuff that. Man, we've got poor poor people who live

1138
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: out in the streets. Give them the privileges that taxi

1139
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: restaurants gave me. Yeah, that in the world. That's when

1140
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 4: the world would be a bit of place when we're

1141
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 4: we're putting emphasy on them, on people who need it,

1142
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 4: not people that can buy it. Can buy your restaurant.

1143
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 4: I go to restaurants, or I go to bars. They

1144
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: give me a drink card, can drink all night for free.

1145
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 4: There are people in the streets that can't even afford it,

1146
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 4: you know, a bottle of water. Let's go and give

1147
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 4: it to them instead of gives to the rich people.

1148
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting and all the celebrities, I should say, but

1149
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: it's interesting that that that loss was sort of wake

1150
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: up call. And I've heard you say this before that

1151
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: it could have if you didn't lose, you would have

1152
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: all the bright lights.

1153
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: You believe your own publicity. That was a sort of

1154
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: wake up call.

1155
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 4: Well I already look, I'd already believed. Or they go

1156
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 4: like I said, I don't like I said. Man, when

1157
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: I was young, I was able to do what I

1158
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 4: wanted to do, and then the best and the worst

1159
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: thing happened to I had two daughters, and if anybody

1160
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 4: done what I'd done, and I don't mean I've done

1161
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 4: it in a bad way. But I mean I was

1162
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 4: free to pick and choose at that time. To my daughters,

1163
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 4: I'd be disgraced. You know, I want to kill people.

1164
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 4: And I think to myself today, how just how blessed

1165
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 4: I was. And the great thing that I can say,

1166
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: I was never abusive. Like I said, I took all

1167
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: the advantage I could with the time I had. But

1168
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 4: every person I've ever gone out with are still my

1169
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: friend's day. Every sponsor that I've ever had, that's still

1170
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 4: my best friends today. But like I said, I've done

1171
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 4: things that am I'm not proud of, but we all

1172
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 4: have the world's changed. And you know, I think, well,

1173
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 4: I've got two daughters, I've got two granddaughters. I just

1174
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 4: hope that they can learn from the experience I've given

1175
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 4: my children as well.

1176
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: You know it it came to you at a relatively

1177
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: early age.

1178
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: But you look at the footballers that get into trouble

1179
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: the NRL, that's your thing, looking at that young footballers

1180
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: that get into trouble.

1181
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: But it is a hard world. If I had all

1182
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: the fame.

1183
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: And trimmings that they get as a national sporting star

1184
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: in the NRL as nineteen or twenty year old, I'd

1185
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: be a dickhead.

1186
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 3: I've got to interrupt, and this is what we need.

1187
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: You know, this is what people don't realize at the

1188
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: start of the year.

1189
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 4: They have these people who the world needs more of you,

1190
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: and they need more of Johnny Lewis that people who

1191
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 4: have been there and done that know about it.

1192
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is what happens.

1193
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 4: So at the start of the year, we're going to

1194
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 4: the football team down and we're gonna tell them you

1195
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 4: can't do this, you can't do that. You can't listen

1196
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 4: two games later with the rout having a drink, that's

1197
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 4: all forgotten. Every game after every game, they need that personally,

1198
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,479
Speaker 4: that Johnny Lewells or that Gary Juvenal or that Jeff

1199
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 4: Any this is down. So listen, I know we've just

1200
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 4: been amazing successful today. You want to go and celebrate,

1201
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 4: Please be careful what you're gonna do. Go out there,

1202
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 4: be conscious that yeah, if you had one drink, after

1203
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 4: two drinks, you're gonna have three, four, five, and you're

1204
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 4: gonna put yourself in They've got they've got to be

1205
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 4: reminded every week.

1206
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: This is not the one thing a year.

1207
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 4: Think they're gonna be reminded every week and they're gonna

1208
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 4: have somebody there at the end of the game.

1209
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all want to celebrate, but the world's changing.

1210
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 3: You can't celebrate like we.

1211
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: Used to celebrate it and you got mobile phones everywhere.

1212
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you look at in the old day the

1213
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 4: footy players used to go out and some of the

1214
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 4: stories I've been around it. I've been around it today. Man,

1215
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 4: I feel sorry for the players of today. And you know,

1216
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 4: I said, they drop a kid on the floor and

1217
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 4: on the front page of paper. These guys yesteryear and

1218
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 4: I was yester year as well, So I don't want

1219
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 4: to say, but man, we got away with a lot on.

1220
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: The stories are not just in the sporting field, like

1221
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: the policing world. Like there's an accountability for the cops

1222
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: now that certainly wasn't there when I first first joined

1223
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: joined the cops. But it is a is a changed world.

1224
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: We might we might take a break here, Jeff. I'm

1225
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: enjoying the chat. We haven't even scratched the surface. I

1226
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: haven't even referred to my notes set, I haven't did

1227
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: all this preparation and were chat.

1228
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 4: I'm this guy, like I said, I just love the

1229
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 4: like I said about me learning from everything that I've

1230
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 4: gone through is means a real lot to me. Going

1231
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 4: on and go to restaurants and every week, my wife

1232
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 4: and I'll be sitting down because we had every single night,

1233
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 4: and I will see two people there and they'll.

1234
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: Look at me. So their bills paid for it the

1235
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: end of the night.

1236
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 4: Not that I want to, but I've paid for it

1237
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: when I've gone, and I just want them to know

1238
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 4: that I appreciate the older people. Or I'll see somebody

1239
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 4: drinking a bottle of wine that's twenty I'll send them

1240
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 4: a beautiful bottle of wine.

1241
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 3: Just yeah, And I love doing that. It's for me.

1242
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 4: Giving back today is the most important I could ever

1243
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 4: dream of doing to this amazing country. That Yeah, that

1244
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 4: made me the person I am.

1245
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: Well, and like giving and giving back, there's rewards that

1246
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: you get from that, isn't it. You would hate to

1247
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: go through life and you could have had ten times more.

1248
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 4: Iially believe I'm still alive today because of the person

1249
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 4: I am.

1250
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's what I believe in. I believe in

1251
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: I believe in Carmen. I believe that.

1252
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 4: All the great things that I'm in, great things I've

1253
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 4: done for different people, have changed people's lives.

1254
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 3: You know, I've helped people.

1255
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: I think that.

1256
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 4: God has said it's not my time here, you know. Yeah, yeah,

1257
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, it's when it's done, it's done for me.

1258
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 4: But like I said, I've had two major hard operations.

1259
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 4: If I fell asleep the first night, I would have

1260
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: been dead. If I went to bed that night in

1261
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 4: the second one, if I didn't feel that I had

1262
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 4: some lump in my wrist and in my think, I

1263
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: would have went to bed that night, I wouldn't have

1264
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 4: worked up year.

1265
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: You've had some close calls, Yeah, I've had some close calls.

1266
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1267
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: So you might make you look at life a little bit,

1268
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: a little bit wiser.

1269
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah it does.

1270
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it opens your eyes. And like I said,

1271
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 4: I'm miss going now. If I just believe when when

1272
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 4: when the time's right, it's right when it's time for

1273
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 4: me to go, And it was time for me to go.

1274
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just I'm blessed. I'm blessed to still

1275
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: be able to go out and enjoy myself. Like I said,

1276
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 4: my wife, my beautiful wife, and I my life is

1277
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 4: the way it is because my wife, Susie am.

1278
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: If I didn't meet Susie.

1279
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 2: How long you've been with Susie?

1280
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 3: It's this year's thirty years married and my wedding. James

1281
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: Packer and all the boys.

1282
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 4: Man they had a board walked around saying three six

1283
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 4: and nine months and I had odds and yeah, and

1284
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 4: maybe that only should have last then, But I'm blessed.

1285
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 4: I have it amazing wife that's got an amazing family.

1286
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: And yeah, although I shares a strong woman with you,

1287
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: she's got to be strong.

1288
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I said, it's so hard to break away

1289
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 4: from all those things that I've done all those years

1290
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 4: with Johnny and all the team. We were a different

1291
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 4: television than the than the world is today. But yeah,

1292
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 4: I try my best, and you know, I just try

1293
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 4: to make sure that like I said, I explained, like

1294
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 4: I said, I open eample my daughters. You know, when

1295
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 4: they had boyfriends, then I'm going to I said, bring

1296
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 4: your boyfriend home. I said bring your boyfriend. That So,

1297
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 4: rather my daughter be here with a boyfriend than be

1298
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 4: out in the car or be somewhere else where.

1299
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 3: I can't. I've got no control at all.

1300
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 4: People think I'm crazy when my daughter's had a few boyfriends,

1301
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 4: but now all of a sudden. Through that experiences, you know,

1302
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 4: they learn. And my young daughter, Kayla has the most

1303
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 4: amazing husband, being Bradman best.

1304
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: You know, he's a football player.

1305
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 4: I'll never forget when she first told me she's going

1306
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 4: to go with Braden, I said, you're going to go

1307
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 4: out of the funny play. You know what. As soon

1308
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: as he finishes training, he walks out there there's a

1309
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 4: one hundred girls waiting for him, and my daughter said, dad,

1310
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 4: Bradman talked to me about that, and he said, just

1311
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 4: that your dad, And I'm going to prove him wrong.

1312
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: Has he proven me wrong?

1313
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 4: He's like, you know, yeah, there's always there's somebody that

1314
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 4: wants to change things. And like I said, you know,

1315
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 4: like I said, my daughter's had boyfriends and stuff, but

1316
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: now she's got the perfect one. She's got the granddaughter, Collira,

1317
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 4: and ayah, I'm so proud of her. I'm yeah, I'm

1318
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 4: just so proud of.

1319
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: Where she is today.

1320
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: Good stuff.

1321
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about the poor guy that walks in.

1322
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: Do you bring him down to this room with all

1323
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: your world ted laid out? And yeah, what's your intention?

1324
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: Like my daughter brings someone home, I just sit there

1325
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: cleaning my gun. I feel, get the water pistol out

1326
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: all right, we'll take a break and we'll be back

1327
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: for part too shortly