1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Now while ev sales continue to grow, and perhaps they've 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: slowed in the last year, but they are up seventeen 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: percent in the first three quarters of this year compared 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: to last year, and that includes full battery evs and 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: the plug in hybrid evs as well. But here in 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: SSA those figures out from the Electric Vehicle Council. But 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: here in essay, the Motor Trades Association is calling on 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: the state government to include sufficient electric vehicle infrastructure as 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: part of the Greater Adelaide regional plan. The chief executive 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: of the MTA is Daryl Jacobs. He joins me, Now, Daryl. 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, ma'k you and good morning wasness. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: So you're talking about more infrastructure to charge EV's. We 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: saw the RAA roll out a heap of charging stations 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: five hundred, I think in conjunction with the state government, 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: and that's great, but probably nowhere near enough compared to 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: what is presumably coming. 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. Look, I think a lot of people 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: will charge from home. We've got solo I think we've 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: got one of the highest solos in the country on 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: our roofs at home. But you know you will need 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: charging on infrastructure around the place, because you just never 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 2: know when you might run out of electricity in your car. 23 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: As we start to look at our city and the growth, 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: especially the north south corridors, it's going to be really 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: important that we think about, you know, where do we 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: put charges, but not just that, you know, we're at 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: the moment we're seeing some of our dealers are putting 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: in charging infrastructure for them when you get your car 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: service and the like, and they're getting pushed by these 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: big overseas brands to say that they need a number 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: of charges in their facility. But you know, the grid 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: is really starting to stretch. 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: Where's the power for charging going to come from? You know, 34 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: we're going to have to as you know we're closing 35 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: power stations down across the country. It's putting pressure on 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: the grid. We're ramping up evs and potentially have enough 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: power in the system to meet that demand, the household demand, 38 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: the business industry demand. Have we been enough more than 39 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: we can chew in terms of planning, particularly for this look. 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: I think we've been doing a lot of work with 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: our say power networks, and they have shown us, you know, 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: in terms of renewables we are we are doing really well, 43 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: in salv Try, we actually generate a lot of electricity 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: and a lot of it does go to waste because 45 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: we're not storing it. So I think the next bit 46 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: is about storage of all of that soular that you 47 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: know during the day that we are generating. There's no 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: doubt there. But I suppose what we're calling on government 49 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: to do is just sort of think about you know 50 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: that fifteen year planned. Yes, you're right, hybrids are growing, 51 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: but evs, you know, federally they want us to have 52 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: thirty percent by twenty thirty. That's going to be a 53 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 2: bit of a drain. And we certainly want our air 54 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: conditioners on during summer, so you know, just think about 55 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: that whole sort of infrastructure. You know. The other challenge 56 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: we have at the moment is those big transformers that 57 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: you see on the posts outside of buildings and that 58 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 2: you know they take up to a year to put 59 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: up there, and then you know, are they big enough? 60 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: Have we got enough supply of them? So there's just 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: a lot to think about. You know, if we are 62 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: building high rise apartments and we're all plugging our cars 63 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: in at the bottom of that, you know, what's that 64 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: draw going to take So there's just so much to 65 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: think about, Matthew, as we sawt of the next ten years. 66 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: And this is where planning at the moment is out 67 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: of kilder, isn't it. With the demand and there was 68 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: a high initial uptake for evs and the infrastructure planning, 69 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: including where the power is going to come from. Despite 70 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: the high take up of SOLI, you're right here in 71 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: South Australia leading the charge. Great pun intended, but we 72 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: just haven't thought enough about ensuring the grid is stable 73 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: for this apparent revolution. 74 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is a challenging one because as 75 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: you said before, you know, we are seeing hybrids really going. 76 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: They seem to be the sweet spot at the moment. 77 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: I think, you know, we we're quite comfortable to have 78 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: an electric engine in our car, but one also make 79 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: sure we've got that range and we can drive to 80 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: the Riverland or Mount Gambia. So it is a real conundrum. 81 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: I think that we sort of look through and go okay, 82 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: But we know federally there's this real push on electric vehicles. 83 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: There has been sixty million dollars put out there federally, 84 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: which really hasn't been used at the moment to help 85 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: with charging infrastructure. So we certainly want to work with 86 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: the federal government to say, called where we're going to 87 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: where's that money going to go, where's that infrastructure going 88 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: to go. But yeah, I think it's a challenging five 89 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: to teen years. We've got to look at our renewable energy, 90 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: We've got to look at our current energy and where's 91 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 2: this sort of whole thing going. And then we obviously 92 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: throwing hydrogen vehicles too, which I think is still a 93 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: while away. 94 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, are they the future? Do you think will they 95 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: overtake evs or is it a VHS bea battle. 96 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: In terms of hydrogen? Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it was interesting. 97 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: I read an article overnight that I've bought out there 98 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: first hydrogen, Can we know that to have the mirror 99 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: which is hydrogen. I think the challenge with hydrogen once again, 100 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: there is production of it it's quite expensive to produce 101 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: at the moment, but also movement and storage of it 102 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: and keeping it safe. I think the next ten years 103 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: in vehicles we're going to see a bit of everything. 104 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: We also talked about biofuels, so it's a real challenging time. 105 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: But coming back to the subject of infrastructure, I think 106 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: it really is about you know, working government, working with 107 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: the key stakeholders motor trade, RAA, etc. To sort of understand, 108 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: you know, what's happening in our industry and you know 109 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: where that infrastructure needs to be. The other challenge with 110 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: charges that we know is often people arrive at them, 111 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: they're not working. You know, there's a lineup at one charger. 112 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: You know, we need not just one charger, there needs 113 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: to be multiple charges in places. So yeah, it's a 114 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: bit of a challenge coming our way. 115 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, so the cars are out there, the infrastructure 116 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: not keeping up, and indeed, the i'd argue at the 117 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: moment certainly are all the generation of electricity for those 118 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: cars and everything else is not keeping up either, just 119 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: for the time being. Now that might change, as you say, 120 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: more batteries, more encouragement, maybe more incentive. You'd like to 121 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: see a government scheme in that regard. 122 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I think definitely we're like at the end 123 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: of the day, we're starting to see that the cost 124 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: and there was a study done about two or three 125 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: weeks ago the cost of charging electric vehicle is actually 126 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: nearly close to the cost of petrol when you look 127 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: at the at that time. So if we want people 128 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: to drive evs, we are going to have to make 129 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: it worth their while to drive. And you know, there 130 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: was a rebate taken off recently about you know, I 131 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: think it was three thousand dollars to buy an EV 132 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 2: so as we all know, if it hits us in 133 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: the in the pocket, we'll look at it. We've got 134 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: you know, that was the same with solar and the like. 135 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, electricity is not cheap, Matthew at the moment. 136 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: So you know, I think we're one of the I 137 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: think we're probably the most expensive in Australia all three 138 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 2: times the US at the moment that I read the 139 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: other day. So I think we you know, I don't 140 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: know about your bill. My bill keeps going up. So 141 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: we've got to keep looking at how we make electricity 142 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: available for all for charging cars and at home, but 143 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: also you know, make it's cost effective. 144 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what you think of this argument 145 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: with the hybrid evs. It seems to me that look, 146 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: if you're going to go EV's go the whole way, 147 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: because if you've got a hybrid, you're using electricity. In 148 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: that hybrid, you're dragging around a fuel tank and a 149 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: petrol engine, you're using the petrol component, you're dragging around 150 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: the ev and let alone their separate drive chains and 151 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: all the rest. So is it really worth it? I mean, 152 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem that smart to be essentially packing a 153 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: second engine into your car you can only use one 154 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: of the time. 155 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think it's Look if we look at 156 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: the rap Ford's photo RAPHBOURD does about four liters per 157 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: one hundred, so you know that's down from eight or 158 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: nine or ten, but obviously not down at that sort 159 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: of ev stage. I think it's it is the sweet 160 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: spot because I think as Australians we love to travel teamers, 161 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: we're also towing and all that sort of stuff, so 162 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: this is the spot that gives us that sort of 163 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: best of both worlds. And also those cars seem to 164 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: have a better resale value, so when you do dispose 165 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: of the car, you know what we do now At 166 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: the moment with an ev IS, people are quite reluctant. 167 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: How's the batteries? Can I charge it to one hundred 168 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: percent or only fifty percent? And the battery makes up 169 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: most of that car? I think I think right now 170 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: they're a safe option, that sort of hybrid spot. But 171 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: I think, you know, one day we'll EV's for short 172 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: distances around the city, and you know, this year we've 173 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: got all the Shark just got released, which is a 174 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: hybrid uth from BYD. There's a bad ranger on the way. 175 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: We Actually in the next four months you'll start to 176 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: see a lot of this stuff move into the ute category. 177 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: When's the federal government subsidy kick in in terms of 178 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: making cars that aren't evs that little bit dearer. 179 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the January the first is when the new 180 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: vehicle efficiency standards start, So that's when the pressure starts 181 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: to come on to the manufacturers of the vehicles, so 182 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: they don't really start counting it until July the first. 183 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: That's when you'll start to see manufacturers go, well, if 184 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: I haven't got ANVS, how do I pay for credits 185 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: to cover that? And that's where you potentially will start 186 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: to see other vehicles become a little bit more expensive. 187 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: So next year we start to see the start of 188 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: that program, and then it gets reviewed in twenty twenty six, 189 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: but it rolls out until twenty twenty nine. So the 190 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: next four or five years are going to be really 191 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: interesting in the cars that you and I. 192 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: Drive indeed, Darryl appreciate you at time this morning. 193 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you Matthew, and have a good day 194 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: listening 195 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: To you too, Darryl Jacob from the MTA