Speaker 1: The amount of times as you know that I've quit.
Speaker 1: I've quit on stuff, I've quit on songs, I've quit
Speaker 1: on all sorts of stuff, quit on myself. And we
Speaker 1: don't know where the end of the race is. To
Speaker 1: quit at the ninety ninth meter of one hundred yard race.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I've done that, but
Speaker 1: I know i've quit before I got the end.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to
Speaker 2: acknowledge the Gadigor people of the Eur nation, the traditional
Speaker 2: custodians of this name, and pay our respects to the elders,
Speaker 2: both past and present. I'm Ali Dado and I'm not
Speaker 2: really on my own. I do have a special guest
Speaker 2: with me, but it is just me asking the hard
Speaker 2: hitting questions.
Speaker 1: I'm here, by the way, I am here.
Speaker 2: I know now. I've known our guest for about coming
Speaker 2: up to thirty five years. It's a long time to
Speaker 2: know someone, and he's very special to me. He's very
Speaker 2: special to a lot of people. He's very special to
Speaker 2: our children. His name is Caron Dado and Karon Dado
Speaker 2: has a book out and it's a fantastic book. It's
Speaker 2: called Keep It Smooth. Life Lessons in Confidence. And we
Speaker 2: just thought it would be a really good idea to
Speaker 2: bring him into the bathroom and I have a bit
Speaker 2: of a chat about the book. Welcome Karen Dado into
Speaker 2: the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Let me just turn the hot tap off, give himself
Speaker 1: a little cold burst, yes before we get started and
Speaker 1: lighting up. And yeah, you're just.
Speaker 2: Talking about your book today. You are my guest, which
Speaker 2: is I can't really get Cameron Dado to interview Cameron
Speaker 2: Dado exciting. Maybe I should have had you. Anyway, we'll
Speaker 2: see if there's a question that you wish I would
Speaker 2: ask you about your book at the end. Maybe I
Speaker 2: have a think about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we'll wait and see what questions you
Speaker 1: ask me. I know I love doing this with you
Speaker 1: with your book, and thank you for doing this with me.
Speaker 2: About is very good. Fair players, they say your book again,
Speaker 2: Cameron Dado, keep it smooth. Life lessons and confidence will
Speaker 2: just dive right in. What inspired you to write the book? Ye?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: I saw you writing your book, and well I experienced
Speaker 1: you writing your book, sure, and how much work and
Speaker 1: effort you put in. I have, as you know, I
Speaker 1: have been fiddling around making starts to one man shows
Speaker 1: making starts to a story book? Did I even have
Speaker 1: a crack at writing a nonfiction book or sorry, a
Speaker 1: fiction book? Rather, I think I did. I've certainly got
Speaker 1: a file on my computer that has followed me over.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many incarnations of Apple books, apple
Speaker 1: computers I've had, but it just seems to be there
Speaker 1: of doing a book, and you did yours, and it
Speaker 1: reignited this idea for me to write a book. And
Speaker 1: then I thought, what am I going to write it about.
Speaker 1: I'm really look honestly, I haven't arrived at the place
Speaker 1: in my career where I thought I was going to
Speaker 1: get to. At this age, I haven't achieved the level
Speaker 1: of whatever it is success that I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to do. So in order to write a memoir,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at people like Michael Caine or I don't know.
Speaker 1: I love Robert Redford's biography, autobiography, all these different people
Speaker 1: that have written autobiography. So I thought, I just I'm
Speaker 1: not famous enough to do that. So I needed a
Speaker 1: I needed some tool that would get me into being
Speaker 1: able to tell some of the stories that I had.
Speaker 1: And it was our manager, Kathy Baker said to me
Speaker 1: one day, Gosh, I'd love to hear what you have
Speaker 1: to say about confidence. And I still remember the moment
Speaker 1: that she said it. I remember exactly where I was,
Speaker 1: and the hair on my arm stood up, and I went,
Speaker 1: that's your end. Yes, because I have wrestled with confidence
Speaker 1: my entire life, and I can say that from them
Speaker 1: my first memories, I'm wrestling with honesty, confidence that I
Speaker 1: can that all these things. So I thought, oh, I
Speaker 1: can plug a number of stories so it can be
Speaker 1: entertaining at the same time as maybe not so much educational,
Speaker 1: but just experiential that the reader can go, oh, either
Speaker 1: have it as a story or maybe pick something up
Speaker 1: to have a takeaway from it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know. With the title of my book, I
Speaker 2: was nervous about it because it's called Queen Menopause, and
Speaker 2: I didn't want people thinking that I was claiming I
Speaker 2: was Queen Menopause because I you know, as I keep saying,
Speaker 2: I always wanted women to feel like they were queen
Speaker 2: of their menopause. That's why that title exists. And I
Speaker 2: always have to feel like I've got to explain the
Speaker 2: title a little bit. Yeah, do you feel like you
Speaker 2: have to explain your title in the sense that it's
Speaker 2: like you're it's not a self help book about confidence,
Speaker 2: because you've got it all together. It's exactly what you
Speaker 2: just talked about. It's your wrestle with confidence, how you
Speaker 2: take two steps forward, three steps back, and all the
Speaker 2: incredible stories that you've garnered from really well known Aussies
Speaker 2: about their crisis of confidence.
Speaker 1: Right right with the title. As you know, it went
Speaker 1: through different incarnations. I wanted to tie it in with
Speaker 1: my music as well, so there were it started off
Speaker 1: as like song titles that I've that I've put out
Speaker 1: there coming undone was one, and then Curious was another.
Speaker 1: And I thought I thought the book was going to
Speaker 1: be called Curious Curious about Confidence, and then the publishers
Speaker 1: were actually I think it was the audiobook people said
Speaker 1: not much cells with the title curious, with the word curious.
Speaker 1: You know, that's strange because to me, curiosity is a
Speaker 1: massive part of how to be confident when you stay
Speaker 1: curious with things, because it keeps you in a positive
Speaker 1: side of the of the ledger. And and then it
Speaker 1: just was keep it smooth. There was the obviously the
Speaker 1: obvious synergy of people that know me as an announcer
Speaker 1: on smooth, but also keeping it smooth is a great
Speaker 1: tool also to how to go through life and to
Speaker 1: stay again feeling like you can. If you slow things down,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go back and redo it. I
Speaker 1: know we've explained this. You know fast is slow. Slow
Speaker 1: as fast, keep it smooth, then you keep it could
Speaker 1: just go slow bit by bit and you end up
Speaker 1: further down the road than if you're trying to be
Speaker 1: fast and you make mistakes and have to go back.
Speaker 2: I think about you mowing the lawn for some reason,
Speaker 2: which I love to Doah, No, would you love that?
Speaker 2: Because if you if you sped over that lawn, you
Speaker 2: would you wouldn't do a good job. So you have
Speaker 2: to go at a slow and steady pace and keep
Speaker 2: that lawn mode beautifully. So that's keeping it smooth.
Speaker 1: It's a great analogy. You're clearly on my side when
Speaker 1: you say that.
Speaker 2: Well, I knew to use a term that the lawn mowing,
Speaker 2: because I know you love your lawn mowing.
Speaker 1: Do it you have to go back and redo it.
Speaker 2: If you go to write that's right.
Speaker 1: And you're like, you can do that if you're not
Speaker 1: wearing your books exactly how much.
Speaker 2: Of your personal experiences, whether from your career or your
Speaker 2: personal life, is in the book, and was it challenging
Speaker 2: to distill it down to stories, to add the ones
Speaker 2: or delete the ones that you were like, oh, I
Speaker 2: can't share that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, as you know, and we've talked about this.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a better writer than I am a speaker.
Speaker 1: Amazing writer, thank you. I tend to waffle when I
Speaker 1: speak and with the writing. The thing that I had,
Speaker 1: I had a post it note on my desk. I
Speaker 1: had a few, but one of the one the touchstones
Speaker 1: that I had was too many words. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was just keep coming back to distill, distill, distill, back
Speaker 1: to the feeling of what it is I'm trying to
Speaker 1: write because I can't stand waffle on the page reading
Speaker 1: It loses me. I'll throw the book away. So I
Speaker 1: just was like, just cut to it, cut to it,
Speaker 1: cut to the point. I think. I think of John Candy, planes,
Speaker 1: chains and automobile and Steve Martin when Steve Martin viciously
Speaker 1: says to John Candy, when you tell a story, have
Speaker 1: our points and it's so it's true, but it's just
Speaker 1: so mean. In that moment, so anyway, that's what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do. And so, I mean you talked about
Speaker 1: before about having the extra voices in there, the extra people,
Speaker 1: these incredible people who gave up their time to share
Speaker 1: their experiences with confidence. That wasn't the original intention was.
Speaker 1: I never set out to interview other people. It was
Speaker 1: only that during my exploration, and I'm writing all these
Speaker 1: stories down, and I had I turned in something like
Speaker 1: one hundred and si sixty thousand words of my own
Speaker 1: into this book, and they only wanted eighty, right, So
Speaker 1: then I add another forty thousand of other people. So
Speaker 1: now I've got to distill one hundred and sixty thousand
Speaker 1: into forty thousand words.
Speaker 2: You've basically got part two ready to go.
Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch, yes, So so yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a challenge to to take out because some of them
Speaker 1: were a little precious, and like Bodie. I remember reading
Speaker 1: a bit to Boad's our youngest daughter listener, and our
Speaker 1: youngest daughter said to me, I read her a bit
Speaker 1: and she goes, you know, Dad, it's really good. You
Speaker 1: just kind of have to prune some of those roses. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I needed to cut out some of that stuff because
Speaker 1: it just had to relate to confidence first, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: there's nothing in that book that does not relate to
Speaker 1: how affected my confidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you mentioned you know, the stories in the
Speaker 2: book and the contributors, and you've got people like Marsha Hines,
Speaker 2: Keith Urban, Heather Mitchell, dear friend, I know you love her.
Speaker 2: We all love her. You have pilots and you've got
Speaker 2: principles of schools. You've got a huge football stars and
Speaker 2: the artistic director of the Australian Chamber Orchestra, just to
Speaker 2: name a few. So it's not about just having celebrities
Speaker 2: in there. You've You've gone across a cross section of
Speaker 2: life and jobs all you know that you need confidence
Speaker 2: in order to do the job.
Speaker 1: You would think you would think you would.
Speaker 2: So why didn't you ask me because you're my wife? Okay,
Speaker 2: got it? Uh the spot are there? Are there sort
Speaker 2: of any particular stories or lessons from those contributors that
Speaker 2: really reflect your own journey with confidence?
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great question. I think I got a
Speaker 1: little bit from everybody. Yeah, I really do. Ian Baker
Speaker 1: Finch the professional golfer, Champion Golfer of the Year in
Speaker 1: nineteen nine, And you want I believe he was the
Speaker 1: champion golfer. He talks about having competence be in alignment
Speaker 1: with your confidence or your you know, that's you know
Speaker 1: to be to work on your competence level, mar And
Speaker 1: that's really important, and that resonated with me because sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, if you turn up to a thing and
Speaker 1: just I felt like I haven't been competent enough at
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, and that can erode things pretty fast.
Speaker 1: Marcia Hines brought up a beauty and that is some
Speaker 1: advice that her mum told her about dwelling and not
Speaker 1: to dwell too long about things that haven't gone your way.
Speaker 1: And that to me, really resonated with me because I
Speaker 1: have dwelled on stuff I have thought about could I
Speaker 1: have done better? And I think that's good to do
Speaker 1: a post mortemon things that you haven't done very well,
Speaker 1: mistakes you've made, outcomes that haven't turned out the way
Speaker 1: you wanted. You go do a little post mortem on it.
Speaker 1: Go Okay, why didn't it turn out that way? And
Speaker 1: then let it go. Take the wisdom and let that
Speaker 1: thing be its own thing. Keith Urban mentioned talked a
Speaker 1: lot about being curious, you know, and understanding your value
Speaker 1: that just because you might be good at something doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're a dickhead, you know, and not to laud
Speaker 1: that over someone. And he tells a beautiful story about
Speaker 1: he's the lead singer of a band that he was
Speaker 1: a stant guitar player for and the guy goes, what
Speaker 1: do you get out the front? You know, I stand
Speaker 1: on on the monitor and put your foot up there
Speaker 1: and be a rock star. And he goes, well, and
Speaker 1: Keith says, someone they'll think I'm a dickhead. And the guy,
Speaker 1: Rusty says, are you And he goes no.
Speaker 2: And he goes, well, fine, isn't that great?
Speaker 1: So beautiful?
Speaker 2: Simple?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that night Keith said, I went out the
Speaker 1: front and stuck my foot on the wedge and I
Speaker 1: played a solo. Crowd went nuts and.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 3: And he's still doing it today and it brings tears.
Speaker 3: I mean it brings tears to my eyes. I go, fuck,
Speaker 3: that's what he did and he's still doing it today.
Speaker 3: And that's why he's the guy that he is. He's
Speaker 3: just such a good bloke who loves what he does.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and it's full of the book. Is all
Speaker 3: those people FITSI.
Speaker 1: Michael O'Laughlin, Aaron the anesthetist, just great stuff. Scottie the pilot.
Speaker 1: You know, I chose people that I think need confidence.
Speaker 1: Like I fly in planes all the time. The pilot's
Speaker 1: got to be there. I've been put under the under
Speaker 1: an anesthetic, knocked out, Jesus, that's got to be that's
Speaker 1: a job, you know, how does it work? And these
Speaker 1: people were so brilliant in bringing their expertise and talking
Speaker 1: about their vulnerabilities and where they've lost their confidence, and
Speaker 1: it was just there's so much to learn from those stories.
Speaker 1: Just read those stories if you don't to read.
Speaker 3: Mine, they're really good.
Speaker 1: Read the in between bitsiness.
Speaker 2: Speaking of bits, can I get you to read just
Speaker 2: this little bit in here because I think it just
Speaker 2: really speaks to exactly what you said, and you just
Speaker 2: put it in a really wonderful, wonderful way.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go the more. And I said no
Speaker 1: before because I thought, oh God, I'm going to get
Speaker 1: emotional reading my own book. I am, but no, it
Speaker 1: just I'm very proud of it too. I am proud
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, here we go from page six. The
Speaker 1: more I've talked with others who seem confident, the more
Speaker 1: I've found myself saying you struggle with confidence too. That's
Speaker 1: why I've rounded out the book with a roster of
Speaker 1: guest stars interviews where friends and colleagues from high performance
Speaker 1: fields like sports, entertainment, education, medicine, and aviation share their
Speaker 1: definitions of confidence, their own crises of confidence, and how
Speaker 1: they've become the extraordinary people that they are. I am
Speaker 1: so grateful for their thoughtful participation. Each has been remarkably
Speaker 1: generous with their time and spoken openly about aspects of
Speaker 1: their confidence journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you just it just was so beautifully put,
Speaker 2: because it's exactly you know, you put so much thought
Speaker 2: into who you were choosing and why you were choosing,
Speaker 2: and I just think you wrote that really beautifully. Did
Speaker 2: you face any unexpected challenges? I'm laughing while writing this
Speaker 2: booker probably answer this question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot. Well, I had crises of confidence. Of course,
Speaker 1: who's going to be I mean, who's going to be
Speaker 1: interested in reading this story? There were some that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was an interesting thing because I was writing the
Speaker 1: book while I was shooting Luxury Escape, so I was
Speaker 1: heading overseas. A lot of the book was written at
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand feet. I didn't watch many movies on
Speaker 1: those planes. I just just beave it away on the
Speaker 1: on the computer writing, and then once i'd arrive at
Speaker 1: a destination, I would send the words off to my publisher, Tom,
Speaker 1: and then Tom had be you know, he'd make comments
Speaker 1: because this is great. We'll throw it in the pile,
Speaker 1: this is great, I love that bit, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: And then some of the things that I thought were fabulous,
Speaker 1: he he was like, yeah, no, we'll put that in
Speaker 1: the next one. I'm thinking, what do you mean, what
Speaker 1: do you mean you didn't like this? That's story about it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that bit about Tom cruise and that was really funny
Speaker 1: on the airplane and Maverick requesting a flyby. It's like nah.
Speaker 1: So then I thought, oh, I'm shit, I'm a shit writer.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not worthy of it.
Speaker 2: How did you overcome those thoughts?
Speaker 1: I just kept little by little, which is where I
Speaker 1: came up with the idea of of doable chunks. And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is, instead of looking at
Speaker 1: the end of the road of the thing that you
Speaker 1: want to achieve, you know, the podium or the cash,
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're going for, know that that's
Speaker 1: at the end of the road. Your intention. But if
Speaker 1: you just how you're going to get there is break
Speaker 1: it down into doable chunks and small doable chunks so
Speaker 1: that you can actually achieve it, and then you move
Speaker 1: on to the next one. So that's how I got through.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you've said you're going to write
Speaker 1: a book, and the amount of times as you know
Speaker 1: that I've quit. I've quit on stuff, I've quit on songs,
Speaker 1: I've quit on all sorts of stuff, quit on myself,
Speaker 1: and and we don't know where the end of the
Speaker 1: race is. So to quit at the ninety ninth meter
Speaker 1: of one hundred yard race or one hundred meter race,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I've done that, but
Speaker 1: I know I've quit before I got the end. And
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to do that with this because I
Speaker 1: don't people were keeping me accountable. I talked about in
Speaker 1: my men's team, I'm writing a book, and part of
Speaker 1: that being in that men's team was being accountable. I
Speaker 1: told my manager Kathy Baker, I'm writing this book. I
Speaker 1: told obviously you knew, the kids knew, so it was
Speaker 1: really important that I finished. So I had to break
Speaker 1: it down into doable chunks and look what happened. You know,
Speaker 1: there it is was sitting. It's in the bookshelves.
Speaker 2: You did it.
Speaker 1: I did it. You did that, and it feels great
Speaker 1: that I did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it's a massive achievement. And that's what
Speaker 2: I was saying. You know, I've said along. Just the
Speaker 2: achievement is writing it and getting it. That's the achievement.
Speaker 2: Where it goes from there, it doesn't really matter. But
Speaker 2: just the fact that you've achieved finishing a book, I think,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that way for anyone who's anyone
Speaker 2: who's written a book. You know, there are incredible writers
Speaker 2: and books out there that don't make any money at
Speaker 2: all that people will never get to read, but they're
Speaker 2: brilliant and it's just the art of writing and being
Speaker 2: able to do that. I think it's really amazing. How
Speaker 2: do you feel writing compares to your work in acting
Speaker 2: and music. Was it a different experience for you in
Speaker 2: writing this book?
Speaker 1: Yes, it was different. It's still storytelling as such, but
Speaker 1: it is actually pure storytelling because I know that when
Speaker 1: I've read books, my imagination fills in. You know, we've
Speaker 1: all read a book and then gone to see the
Speaker 1: movie and it's like, it's not what I think that.
Speaker 1: How many times have you heard I prefer the book.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you're.
Speaker 2: Very rare, I prefer the movie. Yeah, very rare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think the Harry Potter movies came
Speaker 1: pretty close to too emulating what was on the page.
Speaker 1: For me, it was terrific. So it was a great
Speaker 1: challenge for me too. And I love this challenge of
Speaker 1: getting down on the page what was happening and what
Speaker 1: I was feeling, Like those moments of stuttering in the classroom,
Speaker 1: having to give a test result, or with Big River
Speaker 1: or you know in America later on, those sort of
Speaker 1: stories really important for me to be succinct and give
Speaker 1: the most honest portrayal of what I was doing, and
Speaker 1: then allowing the reader to have their own to leave
Speaker 1: it open for that.
Speaker 2: Soristing is really about playing a completely different person. So
Speaker 2: you're never Cameron Dado when you're acting, you know, but
Speaker 2: this you have to strip away everything to the core
Speaker 2: of Cameron Dado and right from there.
Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, I mean I had your example in my mind.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of other guys. As a couple
Speaker 1: of guys, one bloke who runs a charity called spoke
Speaker 1: to a bloke Scotty. He goes, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: I'm not going to read your book if it's all
Speaker 1: If it's fig jam, you know, you know, no, I've
Speaker 1: never heard that. Fuck, I'm good. Just ask me. It's
Speaker 1: an anagram, yeah, fig jams.
Speaker 2: It's never had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fuck, I'm good. Just ask me big jam
Speaker 1: jam very much fig jam. He's like, I don't quite
Speaker 1: like big jam, but no, I don't want to be
Speaker 1: fig jam.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know.
Speaker 1: He goes, it's got to You've got to make this raw,
Speaker 1: don't you. And I said, yeah, that's the whole point.
Speaker 1: That's the whole exercise. So it was really important to
Speaker 1: do that and to be as just cut it as
Speaker 1: honestly as I can. The therapist I was seeing at
Speaker 1: the time, you know, I gave her a couple of
Speaker 1: things to read and she said, you don't need display
Speaker 1: yourself open this much. So it's kind of like in acting.
Speaker 1: Sometimes in an emotional role, it's better to hold back
Speaker 1: the emotion would be seen to be fighting the emotion
Speaker 1: rather than just blowing it out and look at me,
Speaker 1: I'm crying. I'm feeling something where the audience is going,
Speaker 1: I don't feel anything, but we actually feel a lot
Speaker 1: watching that person fighting the tears, because I think that's
Speaker 1: a more natural response of a human response, is to
Speaker 1: hold the tears back and do everything. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to let you see me cry.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to say, Emma Thompson love Actually what
Speaker 2: a scene that scene. People talk about that scene so
Speaker 2: often because it's a woman keeping it to gather while
Speaker 2: she's had the worst news of her life, and it
Speaker 2: is so powerful, and it was so genius and she's
Speaker 2: just the best actress and it's such a vivid memory
Speaker 2: for so many people who've watched that film.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, there's a whole acting school around it
Speaker 1: is not to show any emotion and you allow the
Speaker 1: audience to fill in the blanks, which is kind of
Speaker 1: what reading is anyway. As a writer, you're writing, you're
Speaker 1: writing the guide track, you know, and you're taking the
Speaker 1: audience on this journey. It's I'm thinking about that movie
Speaker 1: The Dry, the book The Dry, which I loved. It
Speaker 1: was like, I'm following this narrative along and I'm filling
Speaker 1: in the I know this bush, I know this creek,
Speaker 1: I know I know I'm seeing this, so yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a different really enjoyed it. And so with acting, it's
Speaker 1: a given set of circumstances that I am playing as
Speaker 1: part of a bigger story. And I feel the same
Speaker 1: way when I'm when I'm singing on stage and with
Speaker 1: my guitars and telling the story or a narrative within
Speaker 1: a song and the music. That's why I love what
Speaker 1: I do. I love this business of entertainment and that's
Speaker 1: why I've done I guess you know, Acros'm answering other
Speaker 1: questions you haven't even asked me, But so I like
Speaker 1: to distill. But it's why it's so varied, because I
Speaker 1: love telling the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, not telling you anything you don't know.
Speaker 2: As we've always talked about Australia and it's it has
Speaker 2: a bit of a terrible reputation in the sense of
Speaker 2: the tall poppy syndrome, where confidence can often be called
Speaker 2: being a whanker. So what's the difference to you between
Speaker 2: confidence and being a wanker? Is that the big jam?
Speaker 1: Oh? I think fig jam is being a wanker? Yes, sure, obviously.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I think with confidence comes a certain amount of humility
Speaker 1: and modesty because I think a truly confident person does
Speaker 1: not go out of the way to show people and
Speaker 1: tell people how good I am. You know, that's not
Speaker 1: what confidence is. And I think it's that it's that
Speaker 1: person that can walk into a room and know their value,
Speaker 1: know who they are. They don't feel the need to
Speaker 1: speak up or speak you know, it's not like he
Speaker 1: notice me. They don't need that kind of validation. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we could go down a whole spire
Speaker 1: or tunnel of psychology here around it. But I think
Speaker 1: the truly confident person is one that knows their value
Speaker 1: and is humble and steps up when they need when
Speaker 1: they're called upon to step up. Yes, I can do that.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I know. Here's what I understand without
Speaker 1: belittling anyone else around them, you know, without having to dominate,
Speaker 1: without having to prove themselves to be right. It's just like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know you have yours. Say. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that the mark of a truly mature person is someone
Speaker 1: who can actually not look at someone else who's telling
Speaker 1: a lie and feel the need to go, you're a liar.
Speaker 1: You just go just be quiet and no and move on.
Speaker 1: So it's just that quiet humility is a is a
Speaker 1: massive part of it. No, when to step up, No,
Speaker 1: when to step in and do it with grace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit of a curly question.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you asking a question about our dog.
Speaker 2: Yes, a bit of a curly one. So women, I'm
Speaker 2: so grateful that you have women in your book telling
Speaker 2: their stories of confidence as well. And I know that
Speaker 2: that was something I was really on me on you
Speaker 2: please have women in that because women are really challenged
Speaker 2: often with being seen as confident. They're often targeted as
Speaker 2: as bitchy or wanting to be a man if they're
Speaker 2: if they're confident, what did you learn about What did
Speaker 2: you learn from the women you interviewed about confidence?
Speaker 1: I loved Elisa Heay, Australian cricket captain, what she had
Speaker 1: to say about it because she's been part of junior
Speaker 1: cricket since she was, you know, a youngster, and she
Speaker 1: just went about her business. She didn't and she ended
Speaker 1: up she just played with the boys because that's what
Speaker 1: she did and she got good and she was better
Speaker 1: than like I think. She was the wicket keeper for
Speaker 1: the first eleven at her school and got the position
Speaker 1: over over one of the boys, and she was accepted
Speaker 1: by the boys, by the other players because they knew
Speaker 1: she was just that good. But she wasn't avert about it.
Speaker 1: And I think that that was a great lesson for
Speaker 1: anybody with confidence, if you're not to have just again,
Speaker 1: know your value and know what you do.
Speaker 2: I wonder, though, I wonder if she to interrupt you.
Speaker 2: I wonder if she was told, oh, you play just
Speaker 2: like a boy. It's great that you can play like
Speaker 2: a boy and be part of the team, do you know.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's something that often women are often told.
Speaker 1: I mean you have to ask her that.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like, it's an interesting one
Speaker 2: that you bring that up, because that's something that you
Speaker 2: know and as we know, that term you play like
Speaker 2: a girl has been used as a form of slander.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So if you can play like one of the boys,
Speaker 2: you can be part of the team. You know, it's
Speaker 2: an interesting one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I think it's just allowing people to
Speaker 1: be what they are. And I get why, you know.
Speaker 1: I think of Margaret Thatcher, the Prime Minister of England,
Speaker 1: and how she was known as the iron Lady and
Speaker 1: tough and Julia Gillard came across off and sometimes as
Speaker 1: tough and this whole men and women thing, and men
Speaker 1: want the woman to be nurturing, and when they're called
Speaker 1: upon to make decisions and be tough, it's like men
Speaker 1: jar especially old school guys, it jars them because they
Speaker 1: they don't they don't expect that, they're not used to that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a tricky one, but it's I think
Speaker 1: it's so great the shift. But now we're having these
Speaker 1: these women and wonderfully strong women who are like yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, vulnerable, and and that to me and okay
Speaker 1: with that. And I think when you're okay and you're
Speaker 1: accepting of where you're at it, it does there is
Speaker 1: a strength in that. If I can turn it back
Speaker 1: into more of a non gender thing, it's that the
Speaker 1: the more you understand your own value, the more you know,
Speaker 1: if people don't want to hear your opinion, that's if
Speaker 1: the person that knows their value and feels okay with themselves,
Speaker 1: they're not going to try and impose it. And I
Speaker 1: just walk away and go, well, I don't need to
Speaker 1: be around those people. They don't want to hear from me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm okay with that. Because I know that there
Speaker 1: are people that do want to hear from me, so
Speaker 1: I'll go find them rather than let it get to me.
Speaker 2: Did you learn something new about yourself through the writing
Speaker 2: of this book.
Speaker 1: I learned to I think quiet and down coolma jets.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been so critical of myself and I
Speaker 1: talked a bit before about stopping before the race is
Speaker 1: over or the task is done because of my critic
Speaker 1: self criticism.
Speaker 2: Has that has getting to that finish line as you
Speaker 2: as you said, you've written the book, the book is
Speaker 2: out there. Has that Has that given you confidence because
Speaker 2: you've seen that you've actually finished a project.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it has and that and Kevin Sheety talks
Speaker 1: about his definition of confidence was about experience. So when
Speaker 1: he coaches people young footballers, boys and girls, he's taking
Speaker 1: them out to do all these different experiences. I read that, Yes, I.
Speaker 2: Take them to the museum. He took them to an
Speaker 2: indigenous experience.
Speaker 1: And so because the more experiences you have, the more
Speaker 1: confident you grow knowing that you can do this. I've
Speaker 1: done that, I've been there, I've tried that. I don't
Speaker 1: like that or I did like that, And so yes,
Speaker 1: in terms of like you've finished a book. I can
Speaker 1: always look back at that moment and go, mate, if
Speaker 1: you did that, you work, you can call on that
Speaker 1: hours and go. And you wrote a book, and so
Speaker 1: you can't lie to yourself and tell yourself that you
Speaker 1: can't do X, Y and Z, because you've done it.
Speaker 1: So just small steps do it.
Speaker 2: How has the How has the reception to the book
Speaker 2: been so far?
Speaker 1: I think pretty good. Yeah, you know, I haven't spoken
Speaker 1: to a lot of people who have read it. I
Speaker 1: know people, some people who have sent me d ms
Speaker 1: on Instagram and things who have read it and enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I haven't, you know, I haven't had too much of
Speaker 1: that response, so I must be honest. I don't really
Speaker 1: really know. I know my dad loved it.
Speaker 2: I know he did. And my dad dad in fact,
Speaker 2: in fact, it's it's currently doing the round at his
Speaker 2: retirement home.
Speaker 1: That his version. I want them to go out and
Speaker 1: buy their dam So it's it's.
Speaker 2: Big in the retirement age. No, No, that's it's my dad.
Speaker 2: My dad reads. He's a prolific reader, and he really
Speaker 2: loves and it really took him by surprise in a
Speaker 2: wonderful way. So he's been talking about it so much,
Speaker 2: that's why people want to read it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's very kind. And I know John Bell,
Speaker 1: who is an actor. For those listening who don't know,
Speaker 1: John Bell's Australia's most you know, I would say he's
Speaker 1: our national treasure in Shakespearean Theater, a Belle Shakespeare Company.
Speaker 1: John read it and he's written a book himself, three books,
Speaker 1: I think, and he sent me a most beautiful note
Speaker 1: and finished it with you really are a very good writer.
Speaker 1: And so they was like, yeah, okay, yeah, I'll take
Speaker 1: that from Thanks from John absolutely.
Speaker 2: And finally, what messages do you hope readers take from
Speaker 2: the book?
Speaker 1: I think the message in the book is that I
Speaker 1: think our creator put us here to feel and experience things.
Speaker 1: I think we're meant to feel confident, We're also meant
Speaker 1: to feel a little anxious and a little bit maybe
Speaker 1: cautious because we don't feel that we might be able
Speaker 1: to achieve what it is we want to do. And
Speaker 1: that's normal. And I think the message I want to
Speaker 1: put out there with the book is that we all
Speaker 1: deserve to feel confident at some point, and yet we
Speaker 1: are all experiencing that feeling of not being confident because
Speaker 1: we don't know. The point is to take action. The
Speaker 1: point is to be We'll start with curious, curiosity, and
Speaker 1: then of feeling value. So if you're curious and you
Speaker 1: have love for yourself, you feel value for what you have,
Speaker 1: and then you take action as a result of those
Speaker 1: three things, you can that's it. That's I called that
Speaker 1: the confidence wheel, those three things, and you can jump
Speaker 1: in at any place on that wheel and curiosity and in.
Speaker 2: The same place it has to has to have action
Speaker 2: in it though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to take action, and that's often the
Speaker 1: hardest thing. So do it in a doable chunk.
Speaker 2: I think, do you need a T shirt with doable
Speaker 2: chunks on it?
Speaker 1: I ever reads that. Well when I see chunks, I'm like,
Speaker 1: well that's just like.
Speaker 2: But doable bits, doable steps. Yeah, small steps. Well, Cameron Daddo,
Speaker 2: the book is Keep It Smooth Life Lessons in Confidence.
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me here in the bathrooms my first
Speaker 3: podcast on about the book.
Speaker 1: This is my first one.
Speaker 2: It's a world first.
Speaker 1: It is a world first, so yeah, thanks so much.
Speaker 1: And it's going to look so good in Christmas stockings,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful looking book. Honestly, listeners. It is such
Speaker 2: a good book. I'm not just saying that. It is
Speaker 2: a delightful, rollicking read of like some amazing stories from
Speaker 2: Cam and how he puts it all together, amazing stories
Speaker 2: from other people. It honestly is such a good read.
Speaker 2: So do yourself favor god bye book. Download it you'll
Speaker 2: be able to. Oh you haven't done the the audiobook yet,
Speaker 2: that it is coming, it's coming. Read it on your
Speaker 2: kindle whatever. Good summer ready. Thanks Honey, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: He hand the bathroom, Thanks Pistol, thanks for listening everyone. Bye,