WEBVTT - Keeping It Smooth With Cam Daddo 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.599 The amount of times as you know that I've quit. 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.400 I've quit on stuff, I've quit on songs, I've quit 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.640 on all sorts of stuff, quit on myself. And we 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:11.960 don't know where the end of the race is. To 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.880 quit at the ninety ninth meter of one hundred yard race. 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.000 I don't know how many times I've done that, but 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:19.400 I know i've quit before I got the end. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.880 Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.559 acknowledge the Gadigor people of the e your nation, the 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.000 traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects to 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:42.400 the elders, both past and present. I'm Ali Datto and 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.400 I'm not really on my own. I do have a 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.240 special guest with me, but it is just me asking 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.720 the hard hitting questions. 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.200 I'm here, by the way, I am here. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:01:00.560 I know now. I've known our guest for about coming 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.800 up to thirty five years. It's a long time to 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:08.840 know someone, and he's very special to me. He's very 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.960 special to a lot of people. He's very special to 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.960 our children. His name is Camon Dado, and Karon Dado 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.199 has a book out and it's a fantastic book. It's 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:25.959 called Keep It smooth life lessons in confidence. And we 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.319 just thought it would be a really good idea to 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.760 bring him into the bathroom and I have a bit 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.480 of a chat about the book. Welcome Karen Dado into 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:36.200 the bathroom. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.720 Let me just turn the hot tap off, give himself 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.720 a little cold burst, yes, before we get started and 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.080 lighting up and yeah, on point. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.960 You're just talking about your book today. You are my guest, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.800 which is I can't really get Cameron Dado to interview 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:58.400 Cameron Dado exciting. Maybe I should have had you. Anyway, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.320 we'll see if there's a question that you wish I 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.520 would ask you about your book at the end. Maybe 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:04.400 I have a think about that. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.720 Okay, all right, we'll wait and see what questions you 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.600 ask me. I know I love doing this with you 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.880 with your book. Yes, and thank you for doing this 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:14.160 with me. 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:20.320 About is very good? Fair players, they say, your book again, 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.839 Cameron Dado, keep it smooth, life lessons and confidence will 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:29.760 just dive right in. What inspired you to write the book? 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:37.880 Ye? Are you? I saw you writing your book, and 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.079 I experienced you writing your book. Sure, and how much 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.560 work and effort you put in. I have, as you know, 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:52.520 I have been fiddling around making starts to one man shows, 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:57.760 making starts to a story book. Did I even have 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.400 a crack at writing a nonfiction book, or sorry, a 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:05.480 fiction book? Rather, I think I did. I've certainly got 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.200 a file on my computer that has followed me over. 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.160 I don't know how many incarnations of Apple books, apple 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.280 computers I've had, but it just seems to be there 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:21.680 of doing a book, and you did yours, and it 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.639 reignited this idea for me to write a book, and 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.160 then I thought, what am I going to write it about? 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:35.880 I'm really look honestly, I haven't arrived at the place 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:37.880 in my career where I thought I was going to 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.920 get to. At this age, I haven't achieved the level 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.400 of whatever it is success that I thought I was 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.680 going to do. So in order to write a memoir, 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:52.640 I'm looking at people like Michael Caine or I don't know. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:59.119 I love Robert Redford's biography, autobiography, all these different people 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.600 that have written autobiography. So I thought, I'm just I'm 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.800 not famous enough to do that. So I needed a 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:11.760 I needed some tool that would get me into being 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.400 able to tell some of the stories that I had. 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.120 And it was our manager Kathy Baker said to me 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.920 one day, Gosh, I'd love to hear what you have 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:25.360 to say about confidence. And I still remember the moment 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.480 that she said it. I remember exactly where I was, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.680 and the hair on my arm stood up, and I went, 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.240 that's your end. Yes, because I have wrestled with confidence 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:39.680 my entire life, and I can say that from them 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:45.440 my first memories, I'm wrestling with honesty, confidence that I 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.680 can that all these things. So I thought, oh, I 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.320 can plug a number of stories so it can be 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:59.400 entertaining at the same time as maybe not so much educational, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:04.240 but just experiential that the reader can go, oh, either 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.720 have it as a story or maybe pick something up 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:07.880 to have a takeaway from it. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.760 Yes, I know. With the title of my book, I 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.400 was nervous about it because it's called Queen Menopause, and 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.720 I didn't want people thinking that I was claiming I 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.799 was Queen menopause because I you know, as I keep saying, 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.400 I always wanted women to feel like they were queen 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.599 of their menopause. That's why that title exists. And I 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.560 always have to feel like I've got to explain the 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.400 title a little bit. Yeah, do you feel like you 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.479 have to explain your title in the sense that it's 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.040 like you're it's not a self help book about confidence, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.159 because you've got it all together. It's exactly what you 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.200 just talked about. It's your wrestle with confidence, how you 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.400 take two steps forward, three steps back, and all the 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:57.360 incredible stories that you've garnered from really well known Aussies 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.120 about their crisis of confidence. 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:04.720 Right right with the title. As you know, it went 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.680 through different incarnations. I wanted to tie in with my 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:12.080 music as well, so there were it started off as 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.279 like song titles that I've that I've put out there 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.320 coming undone was one, and then Curious was another. And 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.120 I thought I thought the book was going to be 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:28.480 called Curious Curious about Confidence, And then the publishers were 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.760 actually I think it was the audiobook people said not 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.159 much cells with the title curious, with the word curious. 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:40.200 You know, that's strange because to me, curiosity is a 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:44.279 massive part of how to be confident when you stay 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.120 curious with things, because it keeps you in a positive 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:52.880 side of the of the ledger. And and then it 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.719 just was keep it smooth. There was the obviously the 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.800 obvious synergy of people that know me as an announcer 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:04.400 on smooth, but also keeping it smooth is a great 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.479 tool also to how to go through life and to 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:13.520 stay again feeling like you can. If you slow things down, 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.200 you don't have to go back and redo it. I 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.400 know we've explained this, fast is slow, slow as fast, 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.679 keep it smooth. Then you keep it just go slow 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.280 bit by bit, and you end up further down the 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.160 road than if you're trying to be fast and you 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:30.640 make mistakes and have to go back. 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.280 I think about you mowing the lawn for some reason, 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.360 which I love to do, I know which you love 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.840 that because if you if you sped over that lawn 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.200 you would you wouldn't do a good job. So you 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.080 have to go at a slow and steady pace and 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.720 keep that lawn mode beautifully. So that's keeping it smooth. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.080 It's a great analogy. You're clearly on my side when 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:54.560 you say that. 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.720 Well, I knew to use a term that the lawn mowing, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.320 because I know you love your lawn mowing. 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.560 Do you have to go back and redo it. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.200 If you go to write that's right. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.360 And you're like, you can do that if you're not 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.440 wearing your books exactly how much. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:14.640 Of your personal experiences, whether from your career or your 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:18.040 personal life, is in the book. And was it challenging 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.800 to distill it down to stories, to add the ones 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.160 or delete the ones that you were like, oh, we 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:26.800 can't share that one. 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:31.440 Yeah, it was, as you know, and we've talked about this. 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.959 I think I'm a better writer than I am a speaker. 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:39.760 An amazing writer, thank you. I tend to waffle when 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.320 I speak and with the writing. The thing that I had, 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.960 I had a post it note on my desk. I 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.080 had a few, but one of the one the touchstones 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.840 that I had was too many words. Yeah, and it 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:56.240 was just keep coming back to distill, distill, distill, back 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.520 to the feeling of what it is I'm trying to 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.760 write because I can't stand waffle on the page reading 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.280 It loses me. I'll throw the book away. So I 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.200 just was like, just cut to it, cut to it, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:14.200 cut to the point. I think. I think of John Candy, planes, 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.679 chains and automobile and Steve Martin when Steve Martin viciously 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.800 says to John Candy, when you tell a story, have 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:26.280 our points and it's so it's true, but it's just 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.199 so mean. In that moment, anyway, that's what I wanted 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:35.080 to do. And so, I mean you talked about before 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.920 about having the extra voices in there, the extra people, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.720 these incredible people who gave up their time to share 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:48.280 their experiences with confidence. That wasn't the original intention was. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.800 I never set out to interview other people. It was 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.560 only that during my exploration, and I'm writing all these 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:59.280 stories down, and I had I turned in something like 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.079 one hundred and six txty thousand words of my own 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.720 into this book, and they only wanted eighty, right, So 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:10.200 then I add another forty thousand of other people. So 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.520 now I've got to distill one hundred and sixty thousand 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:13.840 into forty thousand words. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.000 You've basically got part two ready to go. 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:23.000 There's a whole bunch, yes, So so yeah, it was 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:27.480 a challenge to to take out because some of them 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.920 were a little precious, and like Bodie. I remember reading 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:34.120 a bit to Boad's our youngest daughter listener, and our 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.360 youngest daughter said to me, I read her a bit 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.800 and she goes, you know, Dad, it's really good. You 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:48.840 just kind of have to prune some of those roses. Yeah. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.440 I needed to cut out some of that stuff because 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.520 it just had to relate to confidence first, right, Yes, 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.160 there's nothing in that book that does not relate to 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.800 how affected my confidence. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.080 Yeah, yeah, you mentioned you know, the stories in the 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.960 book and the contributors, and you've got people like Marsha Hines, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.920 Keith Urban, Heather Mitchell, dear friend, I know you love her. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.920 We all love her. You have pilots and you've got 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.160 principles of schools. You've got a huge football stars and 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.000 the artistic director of the Australian Chamber Orchestra, just to 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.480 name a few. So it's not about just having celebrities 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.560 in there. You've You've gone across a cross section of 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:36.319 life and jobs all you know that you need confidence 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:37.800 in order to do the job. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.480 You would think you would think you would. So why 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.520 didn't you ask me because you're my wife? 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:52.120 Okay, got it on the spot. Are there are there 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:56.680 sort of any particular stories or lessons from those contributors 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.600 that that really reflect your own journey with confidence? 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.440 Oh that's a great question. I think I got a 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:10.160 little bit from everybody. Yeah, I really do. Ian Baker 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:14.520 Finch the professional golfer Champion Golfer of the Year in 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.880 nineteen No, and you wont not believe he was the 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:24.319 champion golfer. He talks about having competence be in alignment 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.840 with your confidence or your you know, that's you know 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:33.040 to be to work on your competence level, and that's 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:38.400 really important, and that resonated with me because sometimes, you know, 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.680 you turn up to a thing and just I felt 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.280 like I haven't been competent enough at what I'm doing, 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:49.520 and that can erode things pretty fast. Marcia Hines brought 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.400 up a beauty and that is some advice that her 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:58.000 mum told her about dwelling and not to dwell too 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:03.200 long about things that haven't gone your way. And that 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.040 to me really resonated with me because I have dwelled 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.360 on stuff I have thought about, oh could I have 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.079 done better? And I think that's good to do a 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:17.200 post mortemon things that you haven't done very well, mistakes 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.360 you've made, outcomes that haven't turned out the way you wanted. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.640 You go do a little post mortem on it. Go Okay, 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.480 why didn't it turn out that way? And then let 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.800 it go. Take the wisdom and let that thing be 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:35.840 it be its own thing. Keith Urban mentioned talked a 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:40.360 lot about being curious, you know, and understanding your value, 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.680 that just because you might be good at something doesn't 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.040 mean you're a dickhead, you know, and not to laud 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.320 that over someone. And he tells a beautiful story about 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.480 he's the lead singer of a band that he was 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.760 a stat guitar player for and the guy goes, what 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.439 do you get out the front? You know, I stand 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.600 on on the monitor and put your foot up there 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.240 and be a rock star. And he goes and Keith says, someone, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.200 they'll think I'm a dickhead. And then guy Rusty says, 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.680 are you And he goes no, and he goes, well, fine, 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:09.920 isn't that great? So beautiful? 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:10.480 Simple? 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.320 Yeah, And that night Keith said, I went out the 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:14.960 front and stuck my foot on the wedge and I 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:15.680 played a solo. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.920 Crowd went nuts and that was it. And he's still 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.000 doing it today and it brings tears. I mean it 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.960 brings tears to my eyes. I go, fuck, that's what 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.560 he did and he's still doing it today. And that's 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.160 why he's the guy that he is. He's just such 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:36.760 a good blow who loves what he does. So yeah, 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.680 and it's full of the book, is all those people Fitzi, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:50.120 Michael O'Laughlin, Aaron the anesthetist, just great stuff. Scottie the pilot. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:56.720 You know, I chose people that I think need confidence. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.680 Like I fly in planes all the time. The pilot's 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.840 got to be there. I've been put under the under 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.480 an anesthetic, knocked out, Jesus, that's got to be that's 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.480 a job, you know, how does it work? And these 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:16.600 people were so brilliant in bringing their expertise and talking 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.960 about their vulnerabilities and where they've lost their confidence, and 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.080 it was just there's so much to learn from those stories. 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:25.920 Just read those stories if you don't to read mine, 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.840 they're really good read. In between business. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.960 Speaking of bits, can I get you to read just 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.480 this little bit in here because I think it just 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.240 really speaks to exactly what you said, and you just 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.880 put it in a really wonderful, wonderful way. 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.600 Okay, here we go the more. And I said no 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.760 before because I thought, oh God, I'm going to get 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:54.920 emotional reading my own book. I am, but no, it 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.000 just I'm really proud of it too. I am proud 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.560 of it. Okay, here we go from page six. The 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.320 more I've talked with others who seem confident, the more 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.720 I've found myself saying you struggle with confidence too. That's 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.000 why I've rounded out the book with a roster of 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:15.800 guest stars interviews where friends and colleagues from high performance 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:20.800 fields like sports, entertainment, education, medicine, and aviation share their 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.840 definitions of confidence, their own crises of confidence, and how 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.160 they've become the extraordinary people that they are. I am 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.520 so grateful for their thoughtful participation. Each has been remarkably 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.520 generous with their time and spoken openly about aspects of 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.000 their confidence journey. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.560 Yeah. I think you just it just was so beautifully put, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.080 because it's exactly you know, you put so much thought 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.960 into who you were choosing and why you were choosing, 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.800 and I just think you wrote that really beautifully. Did 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:57.040 you face any unexpected challenges? I'm laughing while writing this 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:01.360 booker probably answer this question. 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.520 Yeah, a lot. Well, I had crisis of confidence. Of course, 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.800 who's going to be I mean, who's going to be 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:14.880 interested in reading this story? There were some that. I mean, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.960 it was an interesting thing because I was writing the 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:22.320 book while I was shooting luxury escapes, so I was 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.439 heading overseas. A lot of the book was written at 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.000 thirty five thousand feet. I didn't watch many movies on 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.920 those planes. I just just beave it away on the 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.239 on the computer writing, and then once i'd arrive at 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:41.159 a destination, I would send the words off to my publisher, Tom, 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.280 and then Tom had be you know, he'd make comments. 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:45.960 Be goes, this is great, We'll throw it in the pile, 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.520 this is great. I love that bit, you know whatever, 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:53.080 And then some of the things that I thought were fabulous, 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.000 he he was like, yeah, we'll put that in the 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.879 next one. I'm thinking, what do you mean, what do 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.560 you mean you didn't like this? It's still d about it. Yeah, 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.760 that bit about Tom cruise and that was really funny 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:12.480 on the airplane and Maverick requesting a flyby. It's like nah. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.520 So then I thought, oh, I'm shit, I'm a shit writer. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.280 That's not that's not worthy of it. 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.199 How did you overcome those thoughts? 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:24.040 I just kept little by little, which is where I 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:29.520 came up with the idea of of doable chunks. And 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:34.160 what I mean by that is, instead of looking at 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:36.520 the end of the road of the thing that you 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:40.080 want to achieve, you know, the podium or the cash, 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.800 whatever it is that you're going for, know that that's 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.280 at the end of the road, your intention, But if 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.080 you just how you're going to get there is break 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:53.359 it down into doable chunks and small doable chunks so 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.840 that you can actually achieve it and then you move 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.880 on to the next one. So that's how I got through. 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.520 I was like, no, you've said you're going to write 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.280 a book, and the amount of times as you know 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.800 that I've quit. I've quit on stuff, I've quit on songs, 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.879 I've quit on all sorts of stuff, quit on myself, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:17.400 and we don't know where the end of the race is. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.439 So to quit at the ninety ninth meter of one 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:27.320 hundred yard race or one hundred meter race, I don't 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:28.800 know how many times I've done that, but I know 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.920 I've quit before I got the end. And I wasn't 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.920 going to do that with this because people were keeping 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.120 me accountable. I talked about in my men's team, I'm 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.439 writing a book, and part of that being in that 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.840 men's team was being accountable. I told my manager Kathy Baker, 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.679 I'm writing this book. I told obviously you knew, the 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.199 kids knew, so it was really important that I finished. 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.399 So I had to break it down into doable chunks 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.560 and look what happened. You know, there it is was sitting. 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:58.720 It's in the bookshelves. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:19:59.320 You did it. 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.679 I did it. You did that, and it feels great 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:03.320 that I did it. 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:09.280 Yeah, of course it's a massive achievement. And that's what 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.440 I was saying. You know, I've said of along, just 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.160 the achievement is writing it and getting it. That's the achievement. 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.960 Where it goes from there, it doesn't really matter, but 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.480 just the fact that you've achieved finishing a book. And 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.840 I feel like that way for anyone who's anyone who's 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.359 written a book. You know, there are incredible writers and 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.160 books out there that don't make any money at all 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.400 that people will never get to read, but they're brilliant 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.160 and it's just the art of writing and being able 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.280 to do that. I think it's really amazing. How do 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:46.040 you feel writing compares to your work in acting and music? 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:50.400 Was it a different experience for you in writing this book? 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:57.439 Yes, it was different. It's still storytelling as such, but 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:03.120 it is actually pure storytelling because I know that when 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:07.160 I've read books, my imagination fills in. You know, we've 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:08.919 all read a book and then gone to see the 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.240 movie and it's like, it's not when I think that, 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.280 How many times have you heard I prefer the book. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:18.320 Oh yeah, because you're. 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:19.960 Very rare, I prefer the movie. 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.680 Yeah, very rare. Yeah, you know, I think the Harry 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.680 Potter movies came pretty close to too emulating what was 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:32.400 on the page. For me, it was terrific. So it 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:37.040 was a great challenge for me too. And I love 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:42.879 this challenge of getting down on the page what was 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.760 happening and what I was feeling, Like those moments of 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.480 stuttering in the classroom, having to give a test result, 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.800 or with Big River or you know in America later on, 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.600 those sort of stories really important for me to be 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:03.360 succinct and give the most honest portrayal of what I 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:08.440 was doing, and then allowing the reader to have their 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.720 own to leave it open for that. 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.840 So risting is really about playing a completely different person. 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.919 So you're never Cameron Dado when you're acting, you know, 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:22.360 but this you have to strip away everything to the 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.560 core of Cameron Dado and right from there. 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:29.480 Correct. Yeah, I mean I had your example in my mind. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:31.680 I had a couple of other guys. There's a couple 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:34.160 of guys. One bloke who runs a charity called spoke 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:36.399 to a bloke Scotty. He goes, I'm not going to 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:38.000 I'm not going to read your book if it's all 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:42.160 If it's fig jam, you know, you know, no, I've 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.760 never heard that. Fuck, I'm good. Just ask me. It's 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:50.200 a pentagram yeah, fig jams it's never had Yeah, yeah, fuck, 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:54.160 I'm good. Just ask me big jam jam very much jam. 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:59.399 He's like, I don't quite like big Jam, but no, 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.159 I don't want to be fig jam. Yeah. You know. 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:04.400 He goes, it's got to You've got to make this raw, 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:06.639 don't you. And I said, yeah, that's the whole point. 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.119 That's the whole exercise. So it was really important to 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.840 do that and to be as just cut it as 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.280 honestly as I can. The therapist I was seeing at 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:19.439 the time, you know, I gave her a couple of 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.240 things to read and she said, you don't need display 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:26.680 yourself open this much. So it's kind of like in acting. 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:32.520 Sometimes in an emotional role, it's better to hold back 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:37.120 the emotion, be seen to be fighting the emotion rather 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.760 than just blowing it out and look at me, I'm crying. 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.200 I'm feeling something, where the audience is going I don't 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:46.479 feel anything, but we actually feel a lot watching that 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.280 person fighting the tears, because I think that's a more 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:53.600 natural response of a human response, is to hold the 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.040 tears back and do everything. I'm not going to let 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:56.680 you see me cry. 0:23:56.920 --> 0:24:01.040 Well, I'm going to say, Emma Thompson love Actually what 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:04.640 a scene that scene. People talk about that scene so 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:08.240 often because it's a woman keeping it to gather while 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:11.080 she's had the worst news of her life, and it 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:15.080 is so powerful, and it was so genius and she's 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:19.560