Speaker 1: The amount of times as you know that I've quit.
Speaker 1: I've quit on stuff, I've quit on songs, I've quit
Speaker 1: on all sorts of stuff, quit on myself. And we
Speaker 1: don't know where the end of the race is. To
Speaker 1: quit at the ninety ninth meter of one hundred yard race.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I've done that, but
Speaker 1: I know i've quit before I got the end.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to
Speaker 2: acknowledge the Gadigor people of the e your nation, the
Speaker 2: traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects to
Speaker 2: the elders, both past and present. I'm Ali Datto and
Speaker 2: I'm not really on my own. I do have a
Speaker 2: special guest with me, but it is just me asking
Speaker 2: the hard hitting questions.
Speaker 1: I'm here, by the way, I am here.
Speaker 2: I know now. I've known our guest for about coming
Speaker 2: up to thirty five years. It's a long time to
Speaker 2: know someone, and he's very special to me. He's very
Speaker 2: special to a lot of people. He's very special to
Speaker 2: our children. His name is Camon Dado, and Karon Dado
Speaker 2: has a book out and it's a fantastic book. It's
Speaker 2: called Keep It smooth life lessons in confidence. And we
Speaker 2: just thought it would be a really good idea to
Speaker 2: bring him into the bathroom and I have a bit
Speaker 2: of a chat about the book. Welcome Karen Dado into
Speaker 2: the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Let me just turn the hot tap off, give himself
Speaker 1: a little cold burst, yes, before we get started and
Speaker 1: lighting up and yeah, on point.
Speaker 2: You're just talking about your book today. You are my guest,
Speaker 2: which is I can't really get Cameron Dado to interview
Speaker 2: Cameron Dado exciting. Maybe I should have had you. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we'll see if there's a question that you wish I
Speaker 2: would ask you about your book at the end. Maybe
Speaker 2: I have a think about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we'll wait and see what questions you
Speaker 1: ask me. I know I love doing this with you
Speaker 1: with your book. Yes, and thank you for doing this
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 2: About is very good? Fair players, they say, your book again,
Speaker 2: Cameron Dado, keep it smooth, life lessons and confidence will
Speaker 2: just dive right in. What inspired you to write the book?
Speaker 1: Ye? Are you? I saw you writing your book, and
Speaker 1: I experienced you writing your book. Sure, and how much
Speaker 1: work and effort you put in. I have, as you know,
Speaker 1: I have been fiddling around making starts to one man shows,
Speaker 1: making starts to a story book. Did I even have
Speaker 1: a crack at writing a nonfiction book, or sorry, a
Speaker 1: fiction book? Rather, I think I did. I've certainly got
Speaker 1: a file on my computer that has followed me over.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many incarnations of Apple books, apple
Speaker 1: computers I've had, but it just seems to be there
Speaker 1: of doing a book, and you did yours, and it
Speaker 1: reignited this idea for me to write a book, and
Speaker 1: then I thought, what am I going to write it about?
Speaker 1: I'm really look honestly, I haven't arrived at the place
Speaker 1: in my career where I thought I was going to
Speaker 1: get to. At this age, I haven't achieved the level
Speaker 1: of whatever it is success that I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to do. So in order to write a memoir,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at people like Michael Caine or I don't know.
Speaker 1: I love Robert Redford's biography, autobiography, all these different people
Speaker 1: that have written autobiography. So I thought, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: not famous enough to do that. So I needed a
Speaker 1: I needed some tool that would get me into being
Speaker 1: able to tell some of the stories that I had.
Speaker 1: And it was our manager Kathy Baker said to me
Speaker 1: one day, Gosh, I'd love to hear what you have
Speaker 1: to say about confidence. And I still remember the moment
Speaker 1: that she said it. I remember exactly where I was,
Speaker 1: and the hair on my arm stood up, and I went,
Speaker 1: that's your end. Yes, because I have wrestled with confidence
Speaker 1: my entire life, and I can say that from them
Speaker 1: my first memories, I'm wrestling with honesty, confidence that I
Speaker 1: can that all these things. So I thought, oh, I
Speaker 1: can plug a number of stories so it can be
Speaker 1: entertaining at the same time as maybe not so much educational,
Speaker 1: but just experiential that the reader can go, oh, either
Speaker 1: have it as a story or maybe pick something up
Speaker 1: to have a takeaway from it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know. With the title of my book, I
Speaker 2: was nervous about it because it's called Queen Menopause, and
Speaker 2: I didn't want people thinking that I was claiming I
Speaker 2: was Queen menopause because I you know, as I keep saying,
Speaker 2: I always wanted women to feel like they were queen
Speaker 2: of their menopause. That's why that title exists. And I
Speaker 2: always have to feel like I've got to explain the
Speaker 2: title a little bit. Yeah, do you feel like you
Speaker 2: have to explain your title in the sense that it's
Speaker 2: like you're it's not a self help book about confidence,
Speaker 2: because you've got it all together. It's exactly what you
Speaker 2: just talked about. It's your wrestle with confidence, how you
Speaker 2: take two steps forward, three steps back, and all the
Speaker 2: incredible stories that you've garnered from really well known Aussies
Speaker 2: about their crisis of confidence.
Speaker 1: Right right with the title. As you know, it went
Speaker 1: through different incarnations. I wanted to tie in with my
Speaker 1: music as well, so there were it started off as
Speaker 1: like song titles that I've that I've put out there
Speaker 1: coming undone was one, and then Curious was another. And
Speaker 1: I thought I thought the book was going to be
Speaker 1: called Curious Curious about Confidence, And then the publishers were
Speaker 1: actually I think it was the audiobook people said not
Speaker 1: much cells with the title curious, with the word curious.
Speaker 1: You know, that's strange because to me, curiosity is a
Speaker 1: massive part of how to be confident when you stay
Speaker 1: curious with things, because it keeps you in a positive
Speaker 1: side of the of the ledger. And and then it
Speaker 1: just was keep it smooth. There was the obviously the
Speaker 1: obvious synergy of people that know me as an announcer
Speaker 1: on smooth, but also keeping it smooth is a great
Speaker 1: tool also to how to go through life and to
Speaker 1: stay again feeling like you can. If you slow things down,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go back and redo it. I
Speaker 1: know we've explained this, fast is slow, slow as fast,
Speaker 1: keep it smooth. Then you keep it just go slow
Speaker 1: bit by bit, and you end up further down the
Speaker 1: road than if you're trying to be fast and you
Speaker 1: make mistakes and have to go back.
Speaker 2: I think about you mowing the lawn for some reason,
Speaker 2: which I love to do, I know which you love
Speaker 2: that because if you if you sped over that lawn
Speaker 2: you would you wouldn't do a good job. So you
Speaker 2: have to go at a slow and steady pace and
Speaker 2: keep that lawn mode beautifully. So that's keeping it smooth.
Speaker 1: It's a great analogy. You're clearly on my side when
Speaker 1: you say that.
Speaker 2: Well, I knew to use a term that the lawn mowing,
Speaker 2: because I know you love your lawn mowing.
Speaker 1: Do you have to go back and redo it.
Speaker 2: If you go to write that's right.
Speaker 1: And you're like, you can do that if you're not
Speaker 1: wearing your books exactly how much.
Speaker 2: Of your personal experiences, whether from your career or your
Speaker 2: personal life, is in the book. And was it challenging
Speaker 2: to distill it down to stories, to add the ones
Speaker 2: or delete the ones that you were like, oh, we
Speaker 2: can't share that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, as you know, and we've talked about this.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a better writer than I am a speaker.
Speaker 1: An amazing writer, thank you. I tend to waffle when
Speaker 1: I speak and with the writing. The thing that I had,
Speaker 1: I had a post it note on my desk. I
Speaker 1: had a few, but one of the one the touchstones
Speaker 1: that I had was too many words. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was just keep coming back to distill, distill, distill, back
Speaker 1: to the feeling of what it is I'm trying to
Speaker 1: write because I can't stand waffle on the page reading
Speaker 1: It loses me. I'll throw the book away. So I
Speaker 1: just was like, just cut to it, cut to it,
Speaker 1: cut to the point. I think. I think of John Candy, planes,
Speaker 1: chains and automobile and Steve Martin when Steve Martin viciously
Speaker 1: says to John Candy, when you tell a story, have
Speaker 1: our points and it's so it's true, but it's just
Speaker 1: so mean. In that moment, anyway, that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. And so, I mean you talked about before
Speaker 1: about having the extra voices in there, the extra people,
Speaker 1: these incredible people who gave up their time to share
Speaker 1: their experiences with confidence. That wasn't the original intention was.
Speaker 1: I never set out to interview other people. It was
Speaker 1: only that during my exploration, and I'm writing all these
Speaker 1: stories down, and I had I turned in something like
Speaker 1: one hundred and six txty thousand words of my own
Speaker 1: into this book, and they only wanted eighty, right, So
Speaker 1: then I add another forty thousand of other people. So
Speaker 1: now I've got to distill one hundred and sixty thousand
Speaker 1: into forty thousand words.
Speaker 2: You've basically got part two ready to go.
Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch, yes, So so yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a challenge to to take out because some of them
Speaker 1: were a little precious, and like Bodie. I remember reading
Speaker 1: a bit to Boad's our youngest daughter listener, and our
Speaker 1: youngest daughter said to me, I read her a bit
Speaker 1: and she goes, you know, Dad, it's really good. You
Speaker 1: just kind of have to prune some of those roses. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I needed to cut out some of that stuff because
Speaker 1: it just had to relate to confidence first, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: there's nothing in that book that does not relate to
Speaker 1: how affected my confidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you mentioned you know, the stories in the
Speaker 2: book and the contributors, and you've got people like Marsha Hines,
Speaker 2: Keith Urban, Heather Mitchell, dear friend, I know you love her.
Speaker 2: We all love her. You have pilots and you've got
Speaker 2: principles of schools. You've got a huge football stars and
Speaker 2: the artistic director of the Australian Chamber Orchestra, just to
Speaker 2: name a few. So it's not about just having celebrities
Speaker 2: in there. You've You've gone across a cross section of
Speaker 2: life and jobs all you know that you need confidence
Speaker 2: in order to do the job.
Speaker 1: You would think you would think you would. So why
Speaker 1: didn't you ask me because you're my wife?
Speaker 2: Okay, got it on the spot. Are there are there
Speaker 2: sort of any particular stories or lessons from those contributors
Speaker 2: that that really reflect your own journey with confidence?
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great question. I think I got a
Speaker 1: little bit from everybody. Yeah, I really do. Ian Baker
Speaker 1: Finch the professional golfer Champion Golfer of the Year in
Speaker 1: nineteen No, and you wont not believe he was the
Speaker 1: champion golfer. He talks about having competence be in alignment
Speaker 1: with your confidence or your you know, that's you know
Speaker 1: to be to work on your competence level, and that's
Speaker 1: really important, and that resonated with me because sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: you turn up to a thing and just I felt
Speaker 1: like I haven't been competent enough at what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: and that can erode things pretty fast. Marcia Hines brought
Speaker 1: up a beauty and that is some advice that her
Speaker 1: mum told her about dwelling and not to dwell too
Speaker 1: long about things that haven't gone your way. And that
Speaker 1: to me really resonated with me because I have dwelled
Speaker 1: on stuff I have thought about, oh could I have
Speaker 1: done better? And I think that's good to do a
Speaker 1: post mortemon things that you haven't done very well, mistakes
Speaker 1: you've made, outcomes that haven't turned out the way you wanted.
Speaker 1: You go do a little post mortem on it. Go Okay,
Speaker 1: why didn't it turn out that way? And then let
Speaker 1: it go. Take the wisdom and let that thing be
Speaker 1: it be its own thing. Keith Urban mentioned talked a
Speaker 1: lot about being curious, you know, and understanding your value,
Speaker 1: that just because you might be good at something doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're a dickhead, you know, and not to laud
Speaker 1: that over someone. And he tells a beautiful story about
Speaker 1: he's the lead singer of a band that he was
Speaker 1: a stat guitar player for and the guy goes, what
Speaker 1: do you get out the front? You know, I stand
Speaker 1: on on the monitor and put your foot up there
Speaker 1: and be a rock star. And he goes and Keith says, someone,
Speaker 1: they'll think I'm a dickhead. And then guy Rusty says,
Speaker 1: are you And he goes no, and he goes, well, fine,
Speaker 1: isn't that great? So beautiful?
Speaker 2: Simple?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that night Keith said, I went out the
Speaker 1: front and stuck my foot on the wedge and I
Speaker 1: played a solo.
Speaker 3: Crowd went nuts and that was it. And he's still
Speaker 3: doing it today and it brings tears. I mean it
Speaker 3: brings tears to my eyes. I go, fuck, that's what
Speaker 3: he did and he's still doing it today. And that's
Speaker 3: why he's the guy that he is. He's just such
Speaker 3: a good blow who loves what he does. So yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's full of the book, is all those people Fitzi,
Speaker 3: Michael O'Laughlin, Aaron the anesthetist, just great stuff. Scottie the pilot.
Speaker 1: You know, I chose people that I think need confidence.
Speaker 1: Like I fly in planes all the time. The pilot's
Speaker 1: got to be there. I've been put under the under
Speaker 1: an anesthetic, knocked out, Jesus, that's got to be that's
Speaker 1: a job, you know, how does it work? And these
Speaker 1: people were so brilliant in bringing their expertise and talking
Speaker 1: about their vulnerabilities and where they've lost their confidence, and
Speaker 1: it was just there's so much to learn from those stories.
Speaker 1: Just read those stories if you don't to read mine,
Speaker 1: they're really good read. In between business.
Speaker 2: Speaking of bits, can I get you to read just
Speaker 2: this little bit in here because I think it just
Speaker 2: really speaks to exactly what you said, and you just
Speaker 2: put it in a really wonderful, wonderful way.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go the more. And I said no
Speaker 1: before because I thought, oh God, I'm going to get
Speaker 1: emotional reading my own book. I am, but no, it
Speaker 1: just I'm really proud of it too. I am proud
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, here we go from page six. The
Speaker 1: more I've talked with others who seem confident, the more
Speaker 1: I've found myself saying you struggle with confidence too. That's
Speaker 1: why I've rounded out the book with a roster of
Speaker 1: guest stars interviews where friends and colleagues from high performance
Speaker 1: fields like sports, entertainment, education, medicine, and aviation share their
Speaker 1: definitions of confidence, their own crises of confidence, and how
Speaker 1: they've become the extraordinary people that they are. I am
Speaker 1: so grateful for their thoughtful participation. Each has been remarkably
Speaker 1: generous with their time and spoken openly about aspects of
Speaker 1: their confidence journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you just it just was so beautifully put,
Speaker 2: because it's exactly you know, you put so much thought
Speaker 2: into who you were choosing and why you were choosing,
Speaker 2: and I just think you wrote that really beautifully. Did
Speaker 2: you face any unexpected challenges? I'm laughing while writing this
Speaker 2: booker probably answer this question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot. Well, I had crisis of confidence. Of course,
Speaker 1: who's going to be I mean, who's going to be
Speaker 1: interested in reading this story? There were some that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was an interesting thing because I was writing the
Speaker 1: book while I was shooting luxury escapes, so I was
Speaker 1: heading overseas. A lot of the book was written at
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand feet. I didn't watch many movies on
Speaker 1: those planes. I just just beave it away on the
Speaker 1: on the computer writing, and then once i'd arrive at
Speaker 1: a destination, I would send the words off to my publisher, Tom,
Speaker 1: and then Tom had be you know, he'd make comments.
Speaker 1: Be goes, this is great, We'll throw it in the pile,
Speaker 1: this is great. I love that bit, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: And then some of the things that I thought were fabulous,
Speaker 1: he he was like, yeah, we'll put that in the
Speaker 1: next one. I'm thinking, what do you mean, what do
Speaker 1: you mean you didn't like this? It's still d about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that bit about Tom cruise and that was really funny
Speaker 1: on the airplane and Maverick requesting a flyby. It's like nah.
Speaker 1: So then I thought, oh, I'm shit, I'm a shit writer.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not worthy of it.
Speaker 2: How did you overcome those thoughts?
Speaker 1: I just kept little by little, which is where I
Speaker 1: came up with the idea of of doable chunks. And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is, instead of looking at
Speaker 1: the end of the road of the thing that you
Speaker 1: want to achieve, you know, the podium or the cash,
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're going for, know that that's
Speaker 1: at the end of the road, your intention, But if
Speaker 1: you just how you're going to get there is break
Speaker 1: it down into doable chunks and small doable chunks so
Speaker 1: that you can actually achieve it and then you move
Speaker 1: on to the next one. So that's how I got through.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you've said you're going to write
Speaker 1: a book, and the amount of times as you know
Speaker 1: that I've quit. I've quit on stuff, I've quit on songs,
Speaker 1: I've quit on all sorts of stuff, quit on myself,
Speaker 1: and we don't know where the end of the race is.
Speaker 1: So to quit at the ninety ninth meter of one
Speaker 1: hundred yard race or one hundred meter race, I don't
Speaker 1: know how many times I've done that, but I know
Speaker 1: I've quit before I got the end. And I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to do that with this because people were keeping
Speaker 1: me accountable. I talked about in my men's team, I'm
Speaker 1: writing a book, and part of that being in that
Speaker 1: men's team was being accountable. I told my manager Kathy Baker,
Speaker 1: I'm writing this book. I told obviously you knew, the
Speaker 1: kids knew, so it was really important that I finished.
Speaker 1: So I had to break it down into doable chunks
Speaker 1: and look what happened. You know, there it is was sitting.
Speaker 1: It's in the bookshelves.
Speaker 2: You did it.
Speaker 1: I did it. You did that, and it feels great
Speaker 1: that I did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it's a massive achievement. And that's what
Speaker 2: I was saying. You know, I've said of along, just
Speaker 2: the achievement is writing it and getting it. That's the achievement.
Speaker 2: Where it goes from there, it doesn't really matter, but
Speaker 2: just the fact that you've achieved finishing a book. And
Speaker 2: I feel like that way for anyone who's anyone who's
Speaker 2: written a book. You know, there are incredible writers and
Speaker 2: books out there that don't make any money at all
Speaker 2: that people will never get to read, but they're brilliant
Speaker 2: and it's just the art of writing and being able
Speaker 2: to do that. I think it's really amazing. How do
Speaker 2: you feel writing compares to your work in acting and music?
Speaker 2: Was it a different experience for you in writing this book?
Speaker 1: Yes, it was different. It's still storytelling as such, but
Speaker 1: it is actually pure storytelling because I know that when
Speaker 1: I've read books, my imagination fills in. You know, we've
Speaker 1: all read a book and then gone to see the
Speaker 1: movie and it's like, it's not when I think that,
Speaker 1: How many times have you heard I prefer the book.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you're.
Speaker 2: Very rare, I prefer the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very rare. Yeah, you know, I think the Harry
Speaker 1: Potter movies came pretty close to too emulating what was
Speaker 1: on the page. For me, it was terrific. So it
Speaker 1: was a great challenge for me too. And I love
Speaker 1: this challenge of getting down on the page what was
Speaker 1: happening and what I was feeling, Like those moments of
Speaker 1: stuttering in the classroom, having to give a test result,
Speaker 1: or with Big River or you know in America later on,
Speaker 1: those sort of stories really important for me to be
Speaker 1: succinct and give the most honest portrayal of what I
Speaker 1: was doing, and then allowing the reader to have their
Speaker 1: own to leave it open for that.
Speaker 2: So risting is really about playing a completely different person.
Speaker 2: So you're never Cameron Dado when you're acting, you know,
Speaker 2: but this you have to strip away everything to the
Speaker 2: core of Cameron Dado and right from there.
Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, I mean I had your example in my mind.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of other guys. There's a couple
Speaker 1: of guys. One bloke who runs a charity called spoke
Speaker 1: to a bloke Scotty. He goes, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: I'm not going to read your book if it's all
Speaker 1: If it's fig jam, you know, you know, no, I've
Speaker 1: never heard that. Fuck, I'm good. Just ask me. It's
Speaker 1: a pentagram yeah, fig jams it's never had Yeah, yeah, fuck,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Just ask me big jam jam very much jam.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't quite like big Jam, but no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be fig jam. Yeah. You know.
Speaker 1: He goes, it's got to You've got to make this raw,
Speaker 1: don't you. And I said, yeah, that's the whole point.
Speaker 1: That's the whole exercise. So it was really important to
Speaker 1: do that and to be as just cut it as
Speaker 1: honestly as I can. The therapist I was seeing at
Speaker 1: the time, you know, I gave her a couple of
Speaker 1: things to read and she said, you don't need display
Speaker 1: yourself open this much. So it's kind of like in acting.
Speaker 1: Sometimes in an emotional role, it's better to hold back
Speaker 1: the emotion, be seen to be fighting the emotion rather
Speaker 1: than just blowing it out and look at me, I'm crying.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling something, where the audience is going I don't
Speaker 1: feel anything, but we actually feel a lot watching that
Speaker 1: person fighting the tears, because I think that's a more
Speaker 1: natural response of a human response, is to hold the
Speaker 1: tears back and do everything. I'm not going to let
Speaker 1: you see me cry.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to say, Emma Thompson love Actually what
Speaker 2: a scene that scene. People talk about that scene so
Speaker 2: often because it's a woman keeping it to gather while
Speaker 2: she's had the worst news of her life, and it
Speaker 2: is so powerful, and it was so genius and she's
Speaker 2: just the best actress and it's such a vivid memory
Speaker 2: for so many people who've watched that film.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, there's a whole acting school around it
Speaker 1: is not to show any emotion and you allow the
Speaker 1: audience to fill in the blanks, which is kind of
Speaker 1: what reading is anyway. As a writer, you're writing, you're
Speaker 1: writing the guide track, you know, and you're taking the
Speaker 1: audience on this journey. It's I'm thinking about that movie
Speaker 1: The Dry, the book The Dry, which I loved. It
Speaker 1: was like, I'm following this narrative along and I'm filling
Speaker 1: in the I know this bush, I know this creek,
Speaker 1: I know I know I'm seeing this So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a different enjoyed it. And so with acting, it's a
Speaker 1: given set of circumstances that I am playing as part
Speaker 1: of a bigger story. And I feel the same way
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm singing on stage and with my
Speaker 1: guitars and telling the story or a narrative within a
Speaker 1: song and the music. That's why I love what I do.
Speaker 1: I love this business of entertainment and that's why I've
Speaker 1: done I guess you know across I'm answering other questions
Speaker 1: you haven't even asked me. But so I like to distill.
Speaker 1: But it's why it's so varied, because I love telling
Speaker 1: a story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, not telling you anything you don't know.
Speaker 2: As we've always talked about Australia and it's it has
Speaker 2: a bit of a terrible reputation in the sense of
Speaker 2: the tall Poppy syndrome, where confidence can often be called
Speaker 2: being a whanker. So what's the difference to you between
Speaker 2: confidence and being a wanker? Is that is that the
Speaker 2: fig jam?
Speaker 1: Oh I think fig jam is being a wanker? Yes, sure, obviously.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I think with confidence comes a certain amount of humility
Speaker 1: and modesty because I think a truly confident person does
Speaker 1: not go out of the way to show people and
Speaker 1: tell people how good I am. You know, that's not
Speaker 1: what confidence is. And I think it's that it's that
Speaker 1: person that can walk into a room and know their value,
Speaker 1: know who they are. They don't feel the need to
Speaker 1: speak up or speak you know, it's not like he
Speaker 1: notice me. They don't need that kind of validation. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we could go down a whole spire
Speaker 1: or tunnel of psychology here around it. But I think
Speaker 1: the truly confident person is someone that knows their value
Speaker 1: and is humble and steps up when they need when
Speaker 1: they're called upon to step up. Yes, I can do that.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I know, Here's what I understand without
Speaker 1: belittling anyone else around them, you know, without having to dominate,
Speaker 1: without having to prove themselves to be right. It's just like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know you have yours. Say. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that the mark of a truly mature person is someone
Speaker 1: who can actually not look at someone else who's telling
Speaker 1: a lie and feel the need to go, you're a liar.
Speaker 1: You just go. You just be quiet and know and
Speaker 1: move on. So it's just that quiet humility is a
Speaker 1: is a massive part of it. No when to step up, No,
Speaker 1: when to step in and do it with grace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit of a curly question.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask asking question about our dog.
Speaker 2: Yes, bit of a curly one. So women, I'm so
Speaker 2: grateful that you have women in your book telling their
Speaker 2: stories of confidence as well. And I know that that
Speaker 2: was something I was really on me on you please
Speaker 2: have women because women are really challenged often with being
Speaker 2: seen as confident. They're often targeted as as bitchy or
Speaker 2: wanting to be a man if if they're if they're confident,
Speaker 2: what did you learn about What did you learn from
Speaker 2: the women you interviewed about confidence?
Speaker 1: I loved Elisa Healey, Australian cricket captain, what she had
Speaker 1: to say about it because she's been part of junior
Speaker 1: cricket since she was, you know, a youngster, and she
Speaker 1: just went about her business. She didn't and she ended
Speaker 1: up she just played with the boys because that's what
Speaker 1: she did and she got good and she was better
Speaker 1: than like I think. She was the wicket keeper for
Speaker 1: the first eleven at her school and got the position
Speaker 1: over over one of the boys. And she was accepted
Speaker 1: by the boys, by the other players because they knew
Speaker 1: she was just that good. But she wasn't avert about it.
Speaker 1: And I think that that was a great lesson for
Speaker 1: anybody with confidence, if you're not to have just again,
Speaker 1: know your value and know what you do.
Speaker 2: I wonder, though, I wonder if she to interrupt you.
Speaker 2: I wonder if she was told, oh, you play just
Speaker 2: like a boy. It's great that you can play like
Speaker 2: a boy and be part of the team. Do you know,
Speaker 2: I mean that that's something that often women are often told.
Speaker 1: I mean you have to ask her that.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Like, it's an interesting one
Speaker 2: that you bring that up, because that's something that you know,
Speaker 2: and as we know, that term you play like a
Speaker 2: girl has been used as a form of slander.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, so if you can.
Speaker 2: Play like one of the boys, you can be part
Speaker 2: of the team. You know, it's an interesting one.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's just allowing people to be
Speaker 1: what they are. And I get why, you know. I
Speaker 1: think of Margaret Thatcher, the Prime Minister of England, and
Speaker 1: how she was known as the iron Lady and tough,
Speaker 1: and Julia Gillard came across often sometimes as tough, and
Speaker 1: it's this whole men and women thing, and men want
Speaker 1: the woman to be nurturing, and when they're called upon
Speaker 1: to make decisions and be tough, it's like men jar
Speaker 1: especially old school guys, it jars them because they they
Speaker 1: don't they don't expect that, they're not used to that.
Speaker 1: So it's a tricky one, but it's I think it's
Speaker 1: so great the shift. But now we're having these these
Speaker 1: women and wonderfully strong women who are like yourself, you know, vulnerable,
Speaker 1: and and that to me and okay with that. And
Speaker 1: I think when you're okay and you're accepting of where
Speaker 1: you're at it, it does there is a strength in that.
Speaker 1: If I can turn it back into more of a
Speaker 1: non gender thing, it's that the the more you understand
Speaker 1: your own value, the more you know if people don't
Speaker 1: want to hear your opinion, that's if the person that
Speaker 1: knows their value and feels okay with themselves, they're not
Speaker 1: going to try and impose it. And I just walk
Speaker 1: away and go, well, I don't need to be around
Speaker 1: those people. They don't want to hear from me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm okay with that because I know that there
Speaker 1: are people that do want to hear from me, so
Speaker 1: I go find them rather than let it get to me.
Speaker 2: Did you learn something new about yourself through the writing
Speaker 2: of this book.
Speaker 1: I learned to I think quiet and down coolma jets.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been so critical of myself And I
Speaker 1: talked a bit before about stopping before the race is
Speaker 1: over or the task is done because of my critic
Speaker 1: self criticism.
Speaker 2: Has that has getting to that finish line as you
Speaker 2: as you said, you've written the book, the book is
Speaker 2: out there. Has that? Has that given you confidence because
Speaker 2: you see that you've actually finished a project.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it has that. And Kevin Sheedy talks about
Speaker 1: his definition of confidence was about experience. So when he
Speaker 1: coaches people young footballers, boys and girls, he's taking them
Speaker 1: out to do all these different experiences.
Speaker 2: I read that, Yes, I take them to the museum.
Speaker 2: He took them to an indigenous experience.
Speaker 1: Ye. So because the more experiences you have, the more
Speaker 1: confident you grow, knowing that you can do this. I've
Speaker 1: done that, I've been there, I've tried that. I don't
Speaker 1: like that or I did like that, And so yes,
Speaker 1: in terms of like you've finished a book, I can
Speaker 1: always look back at that moment and go. Mate, if
Speaker 1: you did that, you worked, you can call on that
Speaker 1: hours and go. And you wrote a book, and so
Speaker 1: you can't light to yourself and tell yourself that you
Speaker 1: can't do X, Y and Z, because you've done it.
Speaker 1: So just small stay do it.
Speaker 2: How has the How has the reception to the book
Speaker 2: been so far?
Speaker 1: I think pretty good. Yeah, you know, I haven't spoken
Speaker 1: to a lot of people who have read it. I
Speaker 1: know people, some people who have sent me d ms
Speaker 1: on Instagram and things who have read it and enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I haven't, you know, I haven't had too much of
Speaker 1: that response, so I must be honest. I don't really
Speaker 1: really know. I know my dad loved it.
Speaker 2: I know he did, and my dad dad in fact,
Speaker 2: in fact, it's it's currently doing the round at his
Speaker 2: retirement home.
Speaker 1: That his version. I want them to go out and
Speaker 1: buy their.
Speaker 2: So it's it's big in the retirement age. No, No,
Speaker 2: that's it's my dad. My dad reads, he's a prolific reader,
Speaker 2: and he really loves it and it really took him
Speaker 2: by surprise in a wonderful way. So he's been talking
Speaker 2: about it so much. That's why people want to read it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's very kind. And I know John Bell,
Speaker 1: who is an actor. For those listening who don't know,
Speaker 1: John Bell's Australia's most you know, I would say he's
Speaker 1: our national treasure in Shakespearean Theater, a Belle Shakespeare Company.
Speaker 1: John read it and he's written a book himself, was
Speaker 1: three books, I think, and he sent me a most
Speaker 1: beautiful note and finished it with you really are a
Speaker 1: very good writer. And so they was like, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take that from Thanks from John absolutely.
Speaker 2: And finally, what messages do you hope readers take from
Speaker 2: the book.
Speaker 1: I think the message in the book is that I
Speaker 1: think our creator put us here to feel and experience things.
Speaker 1: I think we're meant to feel confident. We're also meant
Speaker 1: to feel a little anxious and a little bit maybe
Speaker 1: cautious because we don't feel that we might be able
Speaker 1: to achieve what it is we want to do. And
Speaker 1: that's normal. And I think the message I want to
Speaker 1: put out there with the book is that we all
Speaker 1: deserve to feel confident at some point, and yet we
Speaker 1: are all experiencing that feeling of not being confident because
Speaker 1: we don't know. The point is to take action. The
Speaker 1: point is to be We'll start with curious, curiosity, and
Speaker 1: then of feeling value. So if you're curious and you
Speaker 1: have love for yourself, you feel value for what you have,
Speaker 1: and then you take action as a result of those
Speaker 1: three things, you can.
Speaker 2: That's that's it.
Speaker 1: That's I called that the confidence wheel, those three things,
Speaker 1: and you can jump in at any place on that wheel.
Speaker 2: Of curiosity and in the same place.
Speaker 1: It has to has to have action in it, though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to take action and that's often the hardest thing.
Speaker 1: So do it in a doable chunk.
Speaker 2: I think, do you need a T shirt with doable
Speaker 2: chunks on it?
Speaker 1: I ever reads that. Well when I see chunks, I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's just like.
Speaker 2: But doable bit bits, doable steps. Yeah, small steps. Well,
Speaker 2: Cameron Daddo, the book is Keep It Smooth Life Lessons
Speaker 2: in Confidence. Thanks for joining me here in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: It's my first podcast on about the book. This is
Speaker 1: my first one.
Speaker 2: It's a world first.
Speaker 1: It is a world first, so yeah, thanks so much.
Speaker 1: And it's going to look so good in Christmas stockings,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful looking book. Honestly, listeners, it is such
Speaker 2: a good book. I'm not just saying that. It is
Speaker 2: a delightful, rollicking read of like some amazing stories from
Speaker 2: Cam and how he puts it all together, amazing stories
Speaker 2: from other people. It honestly is such a good read.
Speaker 2: So do yourself favor God bye book. Download it you'll
Speaker 2: be able to. Oh you haven't done.
Speaker 1: Then the audiobook yet, that it is coming, it's coming.
Speaker 2: Read it on your kindle whatever. Good summer ready. Thanks Honey,
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us here in the bathroom. Thanks Pistol,
Speaker 2: thanks for listening everyone. Bye.