1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: The amount of times as you know that I've quit. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: I've quit on stuff, I've quit on songs, I've quit 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: on all sorts of stuff, quit on myself. And we 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: don't know where the end of the race is. To 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: quit at the ninety ninth meter of one hundred yard race. 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I've done that, but 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: I know i've quit before I got the end. 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: acknowledge the Gadigor people of the e your nation, the 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects to 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: the elders, both past and present. I'm Ali Datto and 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: I'm not really on my own. I do have a 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: special guest with me, but it is just me asking 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: the hard hitting questions. 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm here, by the way, I am here. 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: I know now. I've known our guest for about coming 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: up to thirty five years. It's a long time to 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: know someone, and he's very special to me. He's very 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 2: special to a lot of people. He's very special to 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: our children. His name is Camon Dado, and Karon Dado 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 2: has a book out and it's a fantastic book. It's 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: called Keep It smooth life lessons in confidence. And we 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: just thought it would be a really good idea to 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: bring him into the bathroom and I have a bit 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: of a chat about the book. Welcome Karen Dado into 26 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: the bathroom. 27 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: Let me just turn the hot tap off, give himself 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: a little cold burst, yes, before we get started and 29 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: lighting up and yeah, on point. 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: You're just talking about your book today. You are my guest, 31 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: which is I can't really get Cameron Dado to interview 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: Cameron Dado exciting. Maybe I should have had you. Anyway, 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: we'll see if there's a question that you wish I 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: would ask you about your book at the end. Maybe 35 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: I have a think about that. 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we'll wait and see what questions you 37 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: ask me. I know I love doing this with you 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: with your book. Yes, and thank you for doing this 39 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: with me. 40 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: About is very good? Fair players, they say, your book again, 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 2: Cameron Dado, keep it smooth, life lessons and confidence will 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: just dive right in. What inspired you to write the book? 43 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Ye? Are you? I saw you writing your book, and 44 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: I experienced you writing your book. Sure, and how much 45 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: work and effort you put in. I have, as you know, 46 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: I have been fiddling around making starts to one man shows, 47 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: making starts to a story book. Did I even have 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: a crack at writing a nonfiction book, or sorry, a 49 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: fiction book? Rather, I think I did. I've certainly got 50 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: a file on my computer that has followed me over. 51 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how many incarnations of Apple books, apple 52 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: computers I've had, but it just seems to be there 53 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: of doing a book, and you did yours, and it 54 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: reignited this idea for me to write a book, and 55 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: then I thought, what am I going to write it about? 56 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm really look honestly, I haven't arrived at the place 57 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: in my career where I thought I was going to 58 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: get to. At this age, I haven't achieved the level 59 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: of whatever it is success that I thought I was 60 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: going to do. So in order to write a memoir, 61 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking at people like Michael Caine or I don't know. 62 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 1: I love Robert Redford's biography, autobiography, all these different people 63 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: that have written autobiography. So I thought, I'm just I'm 64 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: not famous enough to do that. So I needed a 65 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: I needed some tool that would get me into being 66 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: able to tell some of the stories that I had. 67 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: And it was our manager Kathy Baker said to me 68 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: one day, Gosh, I'd love to hear what you have 69 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: to say about confidence. And I still remember the moment 70 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: that she said it. I remember exactly where I was, 71 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: and the hair on my arm stood up, and I went, 72 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: that's your end. Yes, because I have wrestled with confidence 73 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: my entire life, and I can say that from them 74 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: my first memories, I'm wrestling with honesty, confidence that I 75 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: can that all these things. So I thought, oh, I 76 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: can plug a number of stories so it can be 77 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: entertaining at the same time as maybe not so much educational, 78 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: but just experiential that the reader can go, oh, either 79 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: have it as a story or maybe pick something up 80 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: to have a takeaway from it. 81 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I know. With the title of my book, I 82 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: was nervous about it because it's called Queen Menopause, and 83 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: I didn't want people thinking that I was claiming I 84 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 2: was Queen menopause because I you know, as I keep saying, 85 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: I always wanted women to feel like they were queen 86 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: of their menopause. That's why that title exists. And I 87 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: always have to feel like I've got to explain the 88 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: title a little bit. Yeah, do you feel like you 89 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: have to explain your title in the sense that it's 90 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: like you're it's not a self help book about confidence, 91 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: because you've got it all together. It's exactly what you 92 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: just talked about. It's your wrestle with confidence, how you 93 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: take two steps forward, three steps back, and all the 94 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: incredible stories that you've garnered from really well known Aussies 95 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: about their crisis of confidence. 96 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: Right right with the title. As you know, it went 97 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: through different incarnations. I wanted to tie in with my 98 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: music as well, so there were it started off as 99 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: like song titles that I've that I've put out there 100 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: coming undone was one, and then Curious was another. And 101 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: I thought I thought the book was going to be 102 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: called Curious Curious about Confidence, And then the publishers were 103 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: actually I think it was the audiobook people said not 104 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: much cells with the title curious, with the word curious. 105 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: You know, that's strange because to me, curiosity is a 106 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: massive part of how to be confident when you stay 107 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: curious with things, because it keeps you in a positive 108 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: side of the of the ledger. And and then it 109 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: just was keep it smooth. There was the obviously the 110 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: obvious synergy of people that know me as an announcer 111 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: on smooth, but also keeping it smooth is a great 112 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: tool also to how to go through life and to 113 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: stay again feeling like you can. If you slow things down, 114 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: you don't have to go back and redo it. I 115 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: know we've explained this, fast is slow, slow as fast, 116 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: keep it smooth. Then you keep it just go slow 117 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: bit by bit, and you end up further down the 118 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: road than if you're trying to be fast and you 119 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: make mistakes and have to go back. 120 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: I think about you mowing the lawn for some reason, 121 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: which I love to do, I know which you love 122 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: that because if you if you sped over that lawn 123 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: you would you wouldn't do a good job. So you 124 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: have to go at a slow and steady pace and 125 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: keep that lawn mode beautifully. So that's keeping it smooth. 126 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: It's a great analogy. You're clearly on my side when 127 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: you say that. 128 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: Well, I knew to use a term that the lawn mowing, 129 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: because I know you love your lawn mowing. 130 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: Do you have to go back and redo it. 131 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: If you go to write that's right. 132 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: And you're like, you can do that if you're not 133 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: wearing your books exactly how much. 134 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: Of your personal experiences, whether from your career or your 135 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: personal life, is in the book. And was it challenging 136 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: to distill it down to stories, to add the ones 137 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: or delete the ones that you were like, oh, we 138 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: can't share that one. 139 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, as you know, and we've talked about this. 140 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: I think I'm a better writer than I am a speaker. 141 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: An amazing writer, thank you. I tend to waffle when 142 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: I speak and with the writing. The thing that I had, 143 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: I had a post it note on my desk. I 144 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: had a few, but one of the one the touchstones 145 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: that I had was too many words. Yeah, and it 146 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: was just keep coming back to distill, distill, distill, back 147 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: to the feeling of what it is I'm trying to 148 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: write because I can't stand waffle on the page reading 149 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: It loses me. I'll throw the book away. So I 150 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: just was like, just cut to it, cut to it, 151 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: cut to the point. I think. I think of John Candy, planes, 152 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: chains and automobile and Steve Martin when Steve Martin viciously 153 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: says to John Candy, when you tell a story, have 154 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: our points and it's so it's true, but it's just 155 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: so mean. In that moment, anyway, that's what I wanted 156 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: to do. And so, I mean you talked about before 157 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: about having the extra voices in there, the extra people, 158 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: these incredible people who gave up their time to share 159 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: their experiences with confidence. That wasn't the original intention was. 160 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: I never set out to interview other people. It was 161 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: only that during my exploration, and I'm writing all these 162 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: stories down, and I had I turned in something like 163 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: one hundred and six txty thousand words of my own 164 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: into this book, and they only wanted eighty, right, So 165 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: then I add another forty thousand of other people. So 166 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: now I've got to distill one hundred and sixty thousand 167 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: into forty thousand words. 168 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: You've basically got part two ready to go. 169 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch, yes, So so yeah, it was 170 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: a challenge to to take out because some of them 171 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: were a little precious, and like Bodie. I remember reading 172 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: a bit to Boad's our youngest daughter listener, and our 173 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: youngest daughter said to me, I read her a bit 174 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: and she goes, you know, Dad, it's really good. You 175 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: just kind of have to prune some of those roses. Yeah. 176 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: I needed to cut out some of that stuff because 177 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: it just had to relate to confidence first, right, Yes, 178 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: there's nothing in that book that does not relate to 179 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: how affected my confidence. 180 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you mentioned you know, the stories in the 181 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: book and the contributors, and you've got people like Marsha Hines, 182 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: Keith Urban, Heather Mitchell, dear friend, I know you love her. 183 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: We all love her. You have pilots and you've got 184 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: principles of schools. You've got a huge football stars and 185 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: the artistic director of the Australian Chamber Orchestra, just to 186 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: name a few. So it's not about just having celebrities 187 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: in there. You've You've gone across a cross section of 188 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 2: life and jobs all you know that you need confidence 189 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: in order to do the job. 190 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: You would think you would think you would. So why 191 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: didn't you ask me because you're my wife? 192 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: Okay, got it on the spot. Are there are there 193 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: sort of any particular stories or lessons from those contributors 194 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: that that really reflect your own journey with confidence? 195 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: Oh that's a great question. I think I got a 196 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: little bit from everybody. Yeah, I really do. Ian Baker 197 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: Finch the professional golfer Champion Golfer of the Year in 198 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: nineteen No, and you wont not believe he was the 199 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: champion golfer. He talks about having competence be in alignment 200 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: with your confidence or your you know, that's you know 201 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: to be to work on your competence level, and that's 202 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: really important, and that resonated with me because sometimes, you know, 203 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: you turn up to a thing and just I felt 204 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: like I haven't been competent enough at what I'm doing, 205 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: and that can erode things pretty fast. Marcia Hines brought 206 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: up a beauty and that is some advice that her 207 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: mum told her about dwelling and not to dwell too 208 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: long about things that haven't gone your way. And that 209 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: to me really resonated with me because I have dwelled 210 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: on stuff I have thought about, oh could I have 211 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: done better? And I think that's good to do a 212 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: post mortemon things that you haven't done very well, mistakes 213 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: you've made, outcomes that haven't turned out the way you wanted. 214 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: You go do a little post mortem on it. Go Okay, 215 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: why didn't it turn out that way? And then let 216 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: it go. Take the wisdom and let that thing be 217 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: it be its own thing. Keith Urban mentioned talked a 218 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: lot about being curious, you know, and understanding your value, 219 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: that just because you might be good at something doesn't 220 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: mean you're a dickhead, you know, and not to laud 221 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: that over someone. And he tells a beautiful story about 222 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: he's the lead singer of a band that he was 223 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: a stat guitar player for and the guy goes, what 224 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: do you get out the front? You know, I stand 225 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: on on the monitor and put your foot up there 226 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: and be a rock star. And he goes and Keith says, someone, 227 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: they'll think I'm a dickhead. And then guy Rusty says, 228 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: are you And he goes no, and he goes, well, fine, 229 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: isn't that great? So beautiful? 230 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: Simple? 231 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that night Keith said, I went out the 232 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: front and stuck my foot on the wedge and I 233 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: played a solo. 234 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: Crowd went nuts and that was it. And he's still 235 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: doing it today and it brings tears. I mean it 236 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: brings tears to my eyes. I go, fuck, that's what 237 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: he did and he's still doing it today. And that's 238 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: why he's the guy that he is. He's just such 239 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: a good blow who loves what he does. So yeah, 240 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: and it's full of the book, is all those people Fitzi, 241 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: Michael O'Laughlin, Aaron the anesthetist, just great stuff. Scottie the pilot. 242 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: You know, I chose people that I think need confidence. 243 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: Like I fly in planes all the time. The pilot's 244 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: got to be there. I've been put under the under 245 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: an anesthetic, knocked out, Jesus, that's got to be that's 246 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: a job, you know, how does it work? And these 247 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: people were so brilliant in bringing their expertise and talking 248 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: about their vulnerabilities and where they've lost their confidence, and 249 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: it was just there's so much to learn from those stories. 250 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: Just read those stories if you don't to read mine, 251 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: they're really good read. In between business. 252 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: Speaking of bits, can I get you to read just 253 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: this little bit in here because I think it just 254 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: really speaks to exactly what you said, and you just 255 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: put it in a really wonderful, wonderful way. 256 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: Okay, here we go the more. And I said no 257 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: before because I thought, oh God, I'm going to get 258 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: emotional reading my own book. I am, but no, it 259 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: just I'm really proud of it too. I am proud 260 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: of it. Okay, here we go from page six. The 261 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: more I've talked with others who seem confident, the more 262 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: I've found myself saying you struggle with confidence too. That's 263 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: why I've rounded out the book with a roster of 264 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: guest stars interviews where friends and colleagues from high performance 265 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: fields like sports, entertainment, education, medicine, and aviation share their 266 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: definitions of confidence, their own crises of confidence, and how 267 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: they've become the extraordinary people that they are. I am 268 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: so grateful for their thoughtful participation. Each has been remarkably 269 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: generous with their time and spoken openly about aspects of 270 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: their confidence journey. 271 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you just it just was so beautifully put, 272 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: because it's exactly you know, you put so much thought 273 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: into who you were choosing and why you were choosing, 274 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: and I just think you wrote that really beautifully. Did 275 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: you face any unexpected challenges? I'm laughing while writing this 276 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: booker probably answer this question. 277 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot. Well, I had crisis of confidence. Of course, 278 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: who's going to be I mean, who's going to be 279 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: interested in reading this story? There were some that. I mean, 280 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: it was an interesting thing because I was writing the 281 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: book while I was shooting luxury escapes, so I was 282 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: heading overseas. A lot of the book was written at 283 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: thirty five thousand feet. I didn't watch many movies on 284 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: those planes. I just just beave it away on the 285 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: on the computer writing, and then once i'd arrive at 286 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: a destination, I would send the words off to my publisher, Tom, 287 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: and then Tom had be you know, he'd make comments. 288 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: Be goes, this is great, We'll throw it in the pile, 289 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: this is great. I love that bit, you know whatever, 290 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: And then some of the things that I thought were fabulous, 291 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: he he was like, yeah, we'll put that in the 292 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: next one. I'm thinking, what do you mean, what do 293 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: you mean you didn't like this? It's still d about it. Yeah, 294 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: that bit about Tom cruise and that was really funny 295 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: on the airplane and Maverick requesting a flyby. It's like nah. 296 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: So then I thought, oh, I'm shit, I'm a shit writer. 297 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: That's not that's not worthy of it. 298 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 2: How did you overcome those thoughts? 299 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: I just kept little by little, which is where I 300 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: came up with the idea of of doable chunks. And 301 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is, instead of looking at 302 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: the end of the road of the thing that you 303 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: want to achieve, you know, the podium or the cash, 304 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're going for, know that that's 305 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: at the end of the road, your intention, But if 306 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: you just how you're going to get there is break 307 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: it down into doable chunks and small doable chunks so 308 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: that you can actually achieve it and then you move 309 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: on to the next one. So that's how I got through. 310 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: I was like, no, you've said you're going to write 311 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: a book, and the amount of times as you know 312 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: that I've quit. I've quit on stuff, I've quit on songs, 313 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: I've quit on all sorts of stuff, quit on myself, 314 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: and we don't know where the end of the race is. 315 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: So to quit at the ninety ninth meter of one 316 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: hundred yard race or one hundred meter race, I don't 317 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: know how many times I've done that, but I know 318 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: I've quit before I got the end. And I wasn't 319 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: going to do that with this because people were keeping 320 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: me accountable. I talked about in my men's team, I'm 321 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: writing a book, and part of that being in that 322 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: men's team was being accountable. I told my manager Kathy Baker, 323 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: I'm writing this book. I told obviously you knew, the 324 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: kids knew, so it was really important that I finished. 325 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: So I had to break it down into doable chunks 326 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: and look what happened. You know, there it is was sitting. 327 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: It's in the bookshelves. 328 00:19:58,840 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: You did it. 329 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: I did it. You did that, and it feels great 330 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: that I did it. 331 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it's a massive achievement. And that's what 332 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: I was saying. You know, I've said of along, just 333 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: the achievement is writing it and getting it. That's the achievement. 334 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: Where it goes from there, it doesn't really matter, but 335 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: just the fact that you've achieved finishing a book. And 336 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: I feel like that way for anyone who's anyone who's 337 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: written a book. You know, there are incredible writers and 338 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: books out there that don't make any money at all 339 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 2: that people will never get to read, but they're brilliant 340 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 2: and it's just the art of writing and being able 341 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: to do that. I think it's really amazing. How do 342 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: you feel writing compares to your work in acting and music? 343 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: Was it a different experience for you in writing this book? 344 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: Yes, it was different. It's still storytelling as such, but 345 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: it is actually pure storytelling because I know that when 346 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: I've read books, my imagination fills in. You know, we've 347 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: all read a book and then gone to see the 348 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: movie and it's like, it's not when I think that, 349 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: How many times have you heard I prefer the book. 350 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you're. 351 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: Very rare, I prefer the movie. 352 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, very rare. Yeah, you know, I think the Harry 353 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: Potter movies came pretty close to too emulating what was 354 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: on the page. For me, it was terrific. So it 355 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: was a great challenge for me too. And I love 356 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: this challenge of getting down on the page what was 357 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: happening and what I was feeling, Like those moments of 358 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: stuttering in the classroom, having to give a test result, 359 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: or with Big River or you know in America later on, 360 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: those sort of stories really important for me to be 361 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: succinct and give the most honest portrayal of what I 362 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: was doing, and then allowing the reader to have their 363 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: own to leave it open for that. 364 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: So risting is really about playing a completely different person. 365 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 2: So you're never Cameron Dado when you're acting, you know, 366 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 2: but this you have to strip away everything to the 367 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: core of Cameron Dado and right from there. 368 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, I mean I had your example in my mind. 369 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: I had a couple of other guys. There's a couple 370 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: of guys. One bloke who runs a charity called spoke 371 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: to a bloke Scotty. He goes, I'm not going to 372 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm not going to read your book if it's all 373 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: If it's fig jam, you know, you know, no, I've 374 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: never heard that. Fuck, I'm good. Just ask me. It's 375 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: a pentagram yeah, fig jams it's never had Yeah, yeah, fuck, 376 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm good. Just ask me big jam jam very much jam. 377 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: He's like, I don't quite like big Jam, but no, 378 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: I don't want to be fig jam. Yeah. You know. 379 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: He goes, it's got to You've got to make this raw, 380 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: don't you. And I said, yeah, that's the whole point. 381 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: That's the whole exercise. So it was really important to 382 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: do that and to be as just cut it as 383 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: honestly as I can. The therapist I was seeing at 384 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: the time, you know, I gave her a couple of 385 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: things to read and she said, you don't need display 386 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: yourself open this much. So it's kind of like in acting. 387 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes in an emotional role, it's better to hold back 388 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: the emotion, be seen to be fighting the emotion rather 389 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: than just blowing it out and look at me, I'm crying. 390 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: I'm feeling something, where the audience is going I don't 391 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: feel anything, but we actually feel a lot watching that 392 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: person fighting the tears, because I think that's a more 393 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: natural response of a human response, is to hold the 394 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: tears back and do everything. I'm not going to let 395 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: you see me cry. 396 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to say, Emma Thompson love Actually what 397 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 2: a scene that scene. People talk about that scene so 398 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: often because it's a woman keeping it to gather while 399 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: she's had the worst news of her life, and it 400 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: is so powerful, and it was so genius and she's 401 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: just the best actress and it's such a vivid memory 402 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 2: for so many people who've watched that film. 403 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, there's a whole acting school around it 404 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: is not to show any emotion and you allow the 405 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: audience to fill in the blanks, which is kind of 406 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: what reading is anyway. As a writer, you're writing, you're 407 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: writing the guide track, you know, and you're taking the 408 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: audience on this journey. It's I'm thinking about that movie 409 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: The Dry, the book The Dry, which I loved. It 410 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: was like, I'm following this narrative along and I'm filling 411 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: in the I know this bush, I know this creek, 412 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: I know I know I'm seeing this So yeah, it's 413 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: a different enjoyed it. And so with acting, it's a 414 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: given set of circumstances that I am playing as part 415 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: of a bigger story. And I feel the same way 416 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm singing on stage and with my 417 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: guitars and telling the story or a narrative within a 418 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: song and the music. That's why I love what I do. 419 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: I love this business of entertainment and that's why I've 420 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: done I guess you know across I'm answering other questions 421 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: you haven't even asked me. But so I like to distill. 422 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: But it's why it's so varied, because I love telling 423 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: a story. 424 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, not telling you anything you don't know. 425 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 2: As we've always talked about Australia and it's it has 426 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: a bit of a terrible reputation in the sense of 427 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: the tall Poppy syndrome, where confidence can often be called 428 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: being a whanker. So what's the difference to you between 429 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: confidence and being a wanker? Is that is that the 430 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: fig jam? 431 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: Oh I think fig jam is being a wanker? Yes, sure, obviously. 432 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: No. 433 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: I think with confidence comes a certain amount of humility 434 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: and modesty because I think a truly confident person does 435 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: not go out of the way to show people and 436 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: tell people how good I am. You know, that's not 437 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: what confidence is. And I think it's that it's that 438 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: person that can walk into a room and know their value, 439 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: know who they are. They don't feel the need to 440 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: speak up or speak you know, it's not like he 441 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: notice me. They don't need that kind of validation. So yeah, 442 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we could go down a whole spire 443 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: or tunnel of psychology here around it. But I think 444 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: the truly confident person is someone that knows their value 445 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: and is humble and steps up when they need when 446 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: they're called upon to step up. Yes, I can do that. 447 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: Here's here's what I know, Here's what I understand without 448 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: belittling anyone else around them, you know, without having to dominate, 449 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: without having to prove themselves to be right. It's just like, yeah, okay, 450 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: you know you have yours. Say. I mean, I think 451 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: that the mark of a truly mature person is someone 452 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: who can actually not look at someone else who's telling 453 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: a lie and feel the need to go, you're a liar. 454 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 1: You just go. You just be quiet and know and 455 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: move on. So it's just that quiet humility is a 456 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: is a massive part of it. No when to step up, No, 457 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: when to step in and do it with grace. 458 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit of a curly question. 459 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask asking question about our dog. 460 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: Yes, bit of a curly one. So women, I'm so 461 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: grateful that you have women in your book telling their 462 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: stories of confidence as well. And I know that that 463 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: was something I was really on me on you please 464 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: have women because women are really challenged often with being 465 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: seen as confident. They're often targeted as as bitchy or 466 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: wanting to be a man if if they're if they're confident, 467 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: what did you learn about What did you learn from 468 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: the women you interviewed about confidence? 469 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: I loved Elisa Healey, Australian cricket captain, what she had 470 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: to say about it because she's been part of junior 471 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: cricket since she was, you know, a youngster, and she 472 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: just went about her business. She didn't and she ended 473 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: up she just played with the boys because that's what 474 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: she did and she got good and she was better 475 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: than like I think. She was the wicket keeper for 476 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: the first eleven at her school and got the position 477 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: over over one of the boys. And she was accepted 478 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: by the boys, by the other players because they knew 479 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: she was just that good. But she wasn't avert about it. 480 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: And I think that that was a great lesson for 481 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: anybody with confidence, if you're not to have just again, 482 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: know your value and know what you do. 483 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: I wonder, though, I wonder if she to interrupt you. 484 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: I wonder if she was told, oh, you play just 485 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: like a boy. It's great that you can play like 486 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: a boy and be part of the team. Do you know, 487 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: I mean that that's something that often women are often told. 488 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: I mean you have to ask her that. 489 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Like, it's an interesting one 490 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: that you bring that up, because that's something that you know, 491 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: and as we know, that term you play like a 492 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: girl has been used as a form of slander. 493 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, so if you can. 494 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: Play like one of the boys, you can be part 495 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: of the team. You know, it's an interesting one. 496 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's just allowing people to be 497 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: what they are. And I get why, you know. I 498 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: think of Margaret Thatcher, the Prime Minister of England, and 499 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: how she was known as the iron Lady and tough, 500 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: and Julia Gillard came across often sometimes as tough, and 501 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: it's this whole men and women thing, and men want 502 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: the woman to be nurturing, and when they're called upon 503 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: to make decisions and be tough, it's like men jar 504 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: especially old school guys, it jars them because they they 505 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: don't they don't expect that, they're not used to that. 506 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: So it's a tricky one, but it's I think it's 507 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: so great the shift. But now we're having these these 508 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: women and wonderfully strong women who are like yourself, you know, vulnerable, 509 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 1: and and that to me and okay with that. And 510 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: I think when you're okay and you're accepting of where 511 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: you're at it, it does there is a strength in that. 512 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: If I can turn it back into more of a 513 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: non gender thing, it's that the the more you understand 514 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: your own value, the more you know if people don't 515 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: want to hear your opinion, that's if the person that 516 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: knows their value and feels okay with themselves, they're not 517 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: going to try and impose it. And I just walk 518 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: away and go, well, I don't need to be around 519 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: those people. They don't want to hear from me. Yeah, 520 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: And I'm okay with that because I know that there 521 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: are people that do want to hear from me, so 522 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: I go find them rather than let it get to me. 523 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: Did you learn something new about yourself through the writing 524 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 2: of this book. 525 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: I learned to I think quiet and down coolma jets. 526 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: You know, I've been so critical of myself And I 527 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: talked a bit before about stopping before the race is 528 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: over or the task is done because of my critic 529 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: self criticism. 530 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: Has that has getting to that finish line as you 531 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: as you said, you've written the book, the book is 532 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: out there. Has that? Has that given you confidence because 533 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: you see that you've actually finished a project. 534 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it has that. And Kevin Sheedy talks about 535 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: his definition of confidence was about experience. So when he 536 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: coaches people young footballers, boys and girls, he's taking them 537 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: out to do all these different experiences. 538 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: I read that, Yes, I take them to the museum. 539 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: He took them to an indigenous experience. 540 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: Ye. So because the more experiences you have, the more 541 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: confident you grow, knowing that you can do this. I've 542 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: done that, I've been there, I've tried that. I don't 543 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: like that or I did like that, And so yes, 544 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: in terms of like you've finished a book, I can 545 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: always look back at that moment and go. Mate, if 546 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: you did that, you worked, you can call on that 547 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: hours and go. And you wrote a book, and so 548 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: you can't light to yourself and tell yourself that you 549 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: can't do X, Y and Z, because you've done it. 550 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: So just small stay do it. 551 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: How has the How has the reception to the book 552 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: been so far? 553 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: I think pretty good. Yeah, you know, I haven't spoken 554 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: to a lot of people who have read it. I 555 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: know people, some people who have sent me d ms 556 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: on Instagram and things who have read it and enjoyed it. 557 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: I haven't, you know, I haven't had too much of 558 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: that response, so I must be honest. I don't really 559 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: really know. I know my dad loved it. 560 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: I know he did, and my dad dad in fact, 561 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 2: in fact, it's it's currently doing the round at his 562 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 2: retirement home. 563 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: That his version. I want them to go out and 564 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: buy their. 565 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: So it's it's big in the retirement age. No, No, 566 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: that's it's my dad. My dad reads, he's a prolific reader, 567 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: and he really loves it and it really took him 568 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 2: by surprise in a wonderful way. So he's been talking 569 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: about it so much. That's why people want to read it. 570 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's very kind. And I know John Bell, 571 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: who is an actor. For those listening who don't know, 572 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: John Bell's Australia's most you know, I would say he's 573 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: our national treasure in Shakespearean Theater, a Belle Shakespeare Company. 574 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: John read it and he's written a book himself, was 575 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: three books, I think, and he sent me a most 576 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: beautiful note and finished it with you really are a 577 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: very good writer. And so they was like, yeah, okay, yeah, 578 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: I'll take that from Thanks from John absolutely. 579 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: And finally, what messages do you hope readers take from 580 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 2: the book. 581 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: I think the message in the book is that I 582 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: think our creator put us here to feel and experience things. 583 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: I think we're meant to feel confident. We're also meant 584 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: to feel a little anxious and a little bit maybe 585 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: cautious because we don't feel that we might be able 586 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: to achieve what it is we want to do. And 587 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: that's normal. And I think the message I want to 588 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: put out there with the book is that we all 589 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: deserve to feel confident at some point, and yet we 590 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: are all experiencing that feeling of not being confident because 591 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: we don't know. The point is to take action. The 592 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: point is to be We'll start with curious, curiosity, and 593 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: then of feeling value. So if you're curious and you 594 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: have love for yourself, you feel value for what you have, 595 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: and then you take action as a result of those 596 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: three things, you can. 597 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 2: That's that's it. 598 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: That's I called that the confidence wheel, those three things, 599 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: and you can jump in at any place on that wheel. 600 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 2: Of curiosity and in the same place. 601 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: It has to has to have action in it, though. Yeah, 602 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: we have to take action and that's often the hardest thing. 603 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 1: So do it in a doable chunk. 604 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: I think, do you need a T shirt with doable 605 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 2: chunks on it? 606 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: I ever reads that. Well when I see chunks, I'm like, 607 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: that's just like. 608 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 2: But doable bit bits, doable steps. Yeah, small steps. Well, 609 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 2: Cameron Daddo, the book is Keep It Smooth Life Lessons 610 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 2: in Confidence. Thanks for joining me here in the bathroom. 611 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: It's my first podcast on about the book. This is 612 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,439 Speaker 1: my first one. 613 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 2: It's a world first. 614 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: It is a world first, so yeah, thanks so much. 615 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: And it's going to look so good in Christmas stockings, 616 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:05,479 Speaker 1: isn't it. 617 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful looking book. Honestly, listeners, it is such 618 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 2: a good book. I'm not just saying that. It is 619 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 2: a delightful, rollicking read of like some amazing stories from 620 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 2: Cam and how he puts it all together, amazing stories 621 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 2: from other people. It honestly is such a good read. 622 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 2: So do yourself favor God bye book. Download it you'll 623 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 2: be able to. Oh you haven't done. 624 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: Then the audiobook yet, that it is coming, it's coming. 625 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 2: Read it on your kindle whatever. Good summer ready. Thanks Honey, 626 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 2: thanks for joining us here in the bathroom. Thanks Pistol, 627 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 2: thanks for listening everyone. Bye.