WEBVTT - Sharri | 29 January 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:02.679 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:07.840 This is Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.600 We start with tonight's major breaking news that a terrorism 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.120 attack against a synagogue and other Jewish sites has been thwarted. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:20.280 A caravan full of explosives was uncovered in Sydney's northwest, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:26.320 with reportedly enough firepower to create a forty meter blast wave. 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:30.200 The Premier tonight held a press conference where he described 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:35.640 this as a potential mass casualty event. That's a terrifying 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.800 phrase for us all to hear. Inside the vehicle there 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.320 was a note with the address of Jewish targets, including 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.000 a synagogue. There was also a note that read f 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:50.040 the Jews. Here was Premier Chris Min's addressing the nation. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.600 Police are very concern in the community, is very concern 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.639 about the rising number of anti Semitic attacks in our 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.320 community community, escalating to the point where there was a 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.680 mass casualty event. Polica were made aware of a van 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:11.880 with explosive material located in it in Duraal. They've been 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:16.240 conducting investigations into the site, into the van, into the 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.560 owners of the van and any associates of the owners 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.720 of that van since that time. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.959 The Premier called this terrorism and police are treating this 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.040 as a credible terror threat. Deputy Commissioner Dave Hudson said 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:35.320 they already made arrests on the periphery. They wouldn't say 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.720 the exact quantity of explosives that had been found, but 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:43.039 it's understood to be substantial, and The Herald reported tonight 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.040 that the powergel explosives were believed to have been stolen 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.040 from a mind site and that they were powerful enough 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:55.520 to create a forty meter blast. Police discovered this caravan 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.080 on the twentieth of January, that's nine days ago. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:01.920 I did secret from the public. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.600 We wouldn't have known about this at all if the 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:09.120 Daily Telegraphs Crime editor Mark Murray hadn't broken the story 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:13.720 this evening. After Murray published his report, the Premier and 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.240 the police then held their press conference, and Murray is 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.920 on standby right now to join us live in a 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.800 moment to tell us everything he knows about this story. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.440 Police said they had kept this secret for operational reasons. 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:34.400 There are ongoing investigations which need to be conducted. Ideally, 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:39.160 those investigations are conducted with some form of anonymity in 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.280 relation to what we are trying to pursue. I've indicated 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.200 that we have made arrests on the periphery of this job, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.799 but we still are after other offenders that we believe 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:50.639 may be involved. 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.440 So police there insisting that they'd kept this quiet to 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.320 help with their investigation. But this hasn't just been a 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.160 matter for New South Wales Police, the afp AZO, the 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:07.360 New South Wales Crime Commission are all involved in this investigation. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.000 More than one hundred officers are working on it, and 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.119 that's a reflection of just how seriously this thwarted terror 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:20.280 attack is being treated by police and authorities. The Premiere 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.919 was briefed on this on the twentieth of January. As 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.600 you recall, he sat down with me the very next 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.359 day to talk about just how seriously he was taking 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.839 the threat to the Jewish community, and he admitted then 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:39.240 that the threats were escalating. We just all didn't know 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:40.680 by how much. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.760 They are escalating. And I think it's important I say that. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.040 I don't want anyone to have the impression that we're 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.560 trying to sweep this under the carpet or suggest that 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.800 it's not a major issue. This is the central priority 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.160 of the government at the moment and New South Wales 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.200 Police we are horrified by it. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.040 The Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has also been briefed. He 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.000 was briefed many days ago, but unlike Chris Mins, he 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.920 hasn't addressed the public. Tonight, Caroline Marcus will bring us 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.440 the statement that he's made on social media. Shadow Home 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:17.000 Affairs Minister James Patterson said that the Albanese government does 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.080 need to explain why this has been kept secret and 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.280 he wants to know when the Prime Minister and the 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:27.359 Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke had been briefed, he said, 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:28.920 and let's read his statement. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:29.920 This is James Patterson. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.839 The Prime Minister and Minister for Home Affairs must explain 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.679 when they were first briefed on this matter, what action 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.440 they took to protect the community, and why they thought 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:39.760 it was appropriate to keep. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.920 It a secret for this long now. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.320 Asked about the arrests that have already been made, Deputy 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.520 Police Commissioner Dave Hudson said they were related, but not 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:57.080 the main culprits and police were still investigating, so no 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:02.080 one has directly been arrested. Who who is responsible for 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.159 this thwarted terror threat? 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:06.880 Have those people been charged yet? 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.360 They've been charged with offences related to Pearl. They are 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.920 in custody, they are posing no ongoing threat whilst their 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.880 investigations continue. Not in relation to this, but they are 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.240 in custody, so there's no requirement for us the charge 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.840 them at this stage whilst their investigations continue. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.839 So potentially some link there, but we don't have the 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.960 full story. Mark Murray, Mike, and he's going to join me, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.479 as I said in a moment. But the reality is 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:38.240 the police don't know who is ultimately behind this spate 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:42.560 of anti Semitic attacks. The tenterorists so far are of 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.240 career criminals who may have been hired to commit the 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.080 attacks by bigger players. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:49.520 I asked the new. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.080 Stuffer was Head of counter Terrorism, Mark Walton, about this 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:56.120 last night. In a way, it does give comfort that 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.800 police are making arrests. Ten people have now been arrested, 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.000 But you're sitting here and saying you have no idea 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.560 who's ultimately behind it, who's paying them. That is still 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.200 a serious concern if. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.760 Something's keeping me up at night. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:11.040 It's just that. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.760 We knew police had stepped up their presence around Jewish 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.479 sites in the eastern suburbs with regular patrols, but we 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.520 didn't know it was partly in relation to this very 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:27.760 serious threat. The caravan with the explosives was found in 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.599 Dural in northwest Sydney. It's about half an hour from 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:36.560 Sydney's CBD. Police only discovered the explosives after a local 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:41.800 resident noticed the caravan had been abandoned and it may 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.599 have been sitting there since early December. This is part 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.960 of the investigation. Dave Hudson assured the public that police 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.000 would not rest until this was solved, and the Premier 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:56.400 said he had the very best officers investigating. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.720 You were talking about the finest police force in the 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.760 world that are deploying all of their resources to catch 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.839 these people, and they will not stop until they're behind 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:07.200 by us. 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.040 We will not rest until those matters are resolved. We 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:15.080 understand the concerns of the community. We understand the concerns 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.800 of the Jewish community, and we take all these threats 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:19.920 exceptionally seriously. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.200 Look, I have to be straight with you. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:27.000 This news tonight that a caravan full of explosives enough 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:31.840 to create a forty meter blast wave. This is frightening 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.800 to all Australians, and no more so than the Jewish community. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:41.800 Every time we walk into a synagogue or other Jewish institutions, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.040 things that you just do normally, naturally in day to 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:51.000 day life. There's now anxiety and fear and concern. Hearing 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:56.320 the Premier speak this evening about a potential mass casualty 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:00.440 event his words, it makes me feel sick to the 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:04.320 stomach and we can't get the safety guarantees from authorities 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.800 that we want. Last night, Mark Walton said there was 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:13.400 reason to be concerned. He couldn't say that Jewish figures 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.480 were safe. I asked him whether the Jewish leaders were 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:22.880 vulnerable after Alex Ripten's former home was targeted. Very succinctly 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.840 is their reason for high profile members of the Jewish 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.840 community not to feel safe. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:32.160 It's fair to say everyone should be concerned about what's 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:37.199 been occurring, and those that have a profile would naturally 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:38.240 feel more vulnerable. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:44.280 Vulnerable is an understatement. This isn't the world any of 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.600 us want to live in. Jewish Australians have only ever 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:52.120 contributed in a wonderful way to this country in every 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.600 area of life to help make Australia a better place 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.400 to live. The Jewish community has done up so lutely 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.760 nothing to deserve this on the country and I want 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.480 to say. I want to say to you tonight, we 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.960 can't let terrorism win because this is terrorism. Whatever the 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:15.559 authorities say, it is terrorizing our community. I want to say, 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.720 let's be strong and continue life as normal. But the 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:23.000 reality is we can't afford to be complacent. And it's 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.480 not just the Jewish community either. The childcare center that 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:31.760 was firebont wasn't a Jewish preschool, it was just nearby 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:38.480 a synagogue. This terrorism, this violent crime, is impacting everyone. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:42.040 All Australians now have to take precautions. You have to 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:47.960 look around, be vigilant, report anything suspicious immediately. This wave 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:52.080 of domestic terror threatens to destroy our Australian way of life. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:57.079 It's working against everything that we all love about our country. 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.640 We have to stand up to this and we just 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.439 have to hope that the police lock up the crooks 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.800 as soon as possible before something, as the Premier warned, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:14.920 more serious takes place. I'm going to have full coverage 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.199 on the show of this tonight. I've got police reporter 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.280 Mark Murray coming up now. Also the latest on this 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.480 with Sky News reporter Caroline Marcus. Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:25.679 Minister Sharan Haskell. 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.520 She heard the news and she wants to. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.720 Come on to talk about how concerned she is about 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:35.160 how our government is handling anti semitism and for community reaction. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.280 David Adler will also join me. Also on the show, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.800 Warren Hogan will be on to speak about the chance 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.360 of a rate cut after the CPI figures today, So 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.400 don't miss any of it. But now let's bring in 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.840 crime editor for the Daily Telegraph, the man who broke 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.160 this story that we wouldn't know about if it wasn't 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.360 for Mark Murray. Mark, thank you so much for your time. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.880 Can you tell us the latest on this breaking news tonight. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.040 I think the fact that the police have gone public 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.440 and didn't try to shut everybody down means I think 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:14.320 they're fairly confident that they have the players that were 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:19.520 the threat of carrying out something in custody. I think 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.240 Dave Hudson known that pretty clear. What they don't have, 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.679 and what you know Walton told you yesterday is that 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.080 they don't know who is orchestrating this. That I think 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.600 the people in custody really are puppets, and that is 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.760 what's now being worked on. I mean, I could tell 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.319 you now just we're here in Elizabeth Street to studios 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.520 and the police headquarters is just a few flows down, 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.240 and I'm sure the whole hierarchy are there now talking 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.479 about strategy about where they go next. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.080 Maybe you can pop in after this interview, Mark, And 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.480 I was at those headquarters just a few days ago. Now, Mark, 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.079 you weren't even working today, you're on holidays when you 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:02.160 got this tip off about this story that there has 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.000 been a caravan full of explosives enough to create a 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:09.839 forty blast wave, obviously without revealing any confidential sources. How 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.800 did you come by this incredible information that was deliberately 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.679 being withheld from the public. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.280 I was basically told that there was something brewing and 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.080 it was very, very big, and it took some phone 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.200 calls by myself and also even our editor Ben English, 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.760 and then we started to piece together exactly how big 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:36.480 it was. Now the whole fact about the secrecy, as 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.720 you said, please are saying it's investigative reasons. I also 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.240 think another problem would be the fact that there are 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.440 the federal police that are involved. Now, it wasn't just 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.240 it was federal police Asio and New South Wales Police 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:53.480 now deciding when to go public and if to go public. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.000 I'm wondering who was the one that overriding this. Now 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.280 we know the premiery and knew about it. We also 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.640 know the Prime Minute knew about it. So would it 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.880 have been up to the Prime Minister to say we 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:09.160 have to go public. I know he's the leader of 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.679 the nation and he knew about it. So I think 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.520 the buck stops there at a federal level. Now, New 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.000 South Wales Police, that happened in their backyard. They moved 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.600 in very quickly and then they started talking to all 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.360 the other organizations. Now we know that there's been problems 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.439 between federal and New South Wales Police. None of them 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.120 are talking about that publicly, but I'm wondering if that 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:31.880 had something to do with the fact we did even 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.080 get to find out about this. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.240 Well, yeah, I just want to stop you then and 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.839 get you to properly explain that because I've known about this, 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.920 and you've known about this, but no one's actually put 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.280 this into the public domain or properly written a story. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.400 There has been a total breakdown in the relationship between 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.960 the New South Wales Police and the AFP in Canberra. 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.400 Can you expand on just how bad that relationship now is? 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.240 Well, it's been strayed for a long long time over 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.199 even things like drug seizures. You know, there's been this 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:10.040 ongoing battle where drugs are being seized at the border 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.760 by the Federal Police and New South Wales Police aren't 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.400 getting the information straight away. Now they were trying to 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.719 resolve in this and I think things were getting a 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.880 bit better. But when we've seen in the wake of 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.720 this terrorism when the statement came out and said that 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:30.000 the Federal Police had intelligence, not evidence, that they believe 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.880 that it could be being orchestrated from overseas and being 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.800 paid in crypto, New South Wales Police did not know 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.440 that and that caused a major rift. And I think, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.400 as you said, you've known about it. It's always been 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.040 under the surface and they were just trying to get 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.320 things back together. Now they were to that we have 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.920 a joint Terrorism task Force that works New South Wales Police, 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.440 Federal Police. New South Wales Crime Commissioner also heavily involved. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.880 Now they've got to work together. Is this this is 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.960 the national international problem. Now New South Wales has very 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:10.320 very good relationships with the FBI and other organizations around 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.480 the world, as hopefully the Federal Police do. So you know, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.720 let's hope they just get their act together. But I 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.000 think you've probably hit the nail on the head. Why 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.920 did it take so long to become public And I'm 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:26.600 thinking that's because the agency is involved. And as I said, 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.280 wouldn't it be up to the Prime Minister turn out? 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.840 This is a this is a national threat. This isn't 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.520 a couple of firecrackers found in a ute out in 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.440 southwest Sydney that was going to be used. This was 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.440 a caravan full of explosives. When Dave Hardson said it 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.720 had a potential fourteen meter blast range, I mean that's 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.960 a terrifying, terrifying imagery that he was evoking. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.560 Absolutely absolutely, Mark, thank you for bringing this to the 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.880 public domain. We wouldn't know about this if it wasn't 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:01.360 for your excellent journalism. You have given decades of brilliant 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.760 police reporting to the Daily Telegraph. Used to be my 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.240 desk buddy at the Daily Telegraph. I know how hard 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.200 you work, how good your sources are, So you know, 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:10.920 we're all grateful that you reported this. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:12.600 We wouldn't know about it otherwise, and I. 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.080 Think it's fascinating to hear you say perhaps this was 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.880 the Prime Minister's decision and I expect everyone will now 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.800 be investigating that now that you've said it. All right, Mark, 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.240 thank you so much. And of course he was on 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:24.800 holidays when he broke this story. 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:25.520 Good on him. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.040 All right, let's stay with this breaking news and joining 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.720 minnow senior reporter Caroline Marcus. Caroline, the Prime Minister hasn't 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:36.840 addressed the nation tonight. The Premier did. He has released 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.120 a statement on social media though, can you tell us 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:39.800 what he said? 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.600 Yes, Anthony Albaniz, he put out a statement a short 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.920 time ago Shari. He said, we condemn unequivocally this act 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.360 the full night of the afp Azo and New South 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.960 Wales Police are being utilized in this major investigation by 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.840 the Joint counter Terrorism Team. He goes on to explain 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.000 that New South Wales Police have some people in customer 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.760 and how these operations, these investigations are being handled, and 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.760 he ends it hate and extremism have no place in 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:13.040 Australian society. Now, I think that may fall flat for 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.560 some people given the type of rhetoric that we've heard 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.160 come from the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister when 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.600 it comes to the Jewish State Israel. 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:23.960 The sort of. 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.160 Weak actions that have been taken by the government and 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.440 by our authorities in terms of people who preach hate, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.119 people who spew hate on the streets of Australia. So 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.680 he's put out the statement both thoughts and prayers type 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:39.200 of statement. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:39.879 I think we'd like. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.280 To hear from him in person though, absolutely, And I'm 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.320 sure there'll be a lot of questions when he eventually 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.159 does front the press about what date, when did he 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.480 know about this? Was he involved in the decision to 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.440 keep it quiet? As Mark Murray, who's well across this story, he. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.240 Just suggested it might have been up to him. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.159 Caroline, there might be discussion now about whether to raise 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:03.120 the terror threat level. It's currently at probable that means 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.760 there's more than a fifty percent chance of a terrorist incident. 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.200 But given all these incidences that we've seen that even 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:14.159 the premiere is calling terrorism, perhaps there should now be 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:15.960 discussion about raising the threat level. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.280 You'd think that would be the natural next step, Shorry. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.680 The terror threat has been a probable since the October 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.600 seven terror attacks on Israel in twenty twenty three. Now, 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.360 if the past few weeks where we have seen the 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:33.399 firebombing of the former Home of a Jewish community leader, 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.879 the firebombing of a day care center because it appears 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.960 it was mistaken for a Jewish daycare center and it 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.480 was near a Jewish synagogue, the attempted firebombing of a 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:49.920 Sydney synagogue, the firebombing of Bondai businesses, Jewish businesses. 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:51.359 I mean, the list goes on and on. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.040 We don't have time to discuss. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:53.360 All the incidents. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:57.840 If those incidents, which you have rightfully called as incidents 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:02.440 that terrorized the Jewish community should surely fit and meet 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.480 the threshold for a terror designation. If all of these 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.040 things combined, and now with this caravan full of explosives 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.320 that police have described as a foiled terror plot, then 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.640 that doesn't raise the terror threat level? 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.560 What will? Yeah, one hundred percent. 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.680 Now, just very quickly before you go, You've got an 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.760 update on some of those who have been arrested in 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.200 relation to aggressive pro Palestinian protests. 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.200 What happened, Well, this was in relation to the very 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.040 first incident that we saw on October nine, two days 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.280 after October seven, outside the Sydney Opera House. There were 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.160 only three arrests. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:39.480 I can reveal that night. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.359 There has been talk of there being more than that. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.080 There's only been three and I can reveal that no 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.280 convictions were recorded for any of those arrests. Now, these 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.760 arrests had to do with the assault of someone outside 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.680 at that riley. Two of them men pleaded guilty and 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:00.960 had no convictions recorded, only were given a six month 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:06.720 conditional release order. Well, the third person pleaded not guilty 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.480 and had his case dismissed. 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.719 It's just appalling, it really is. Caroline Marcus, thank you 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.960 so much, as always for your coverage of these important issues. 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:15.520 Thank Sarry. 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.480 Now we're going to cross live to Liam Mendes. He's 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.159 on the scene of where this caravan was found in Jural. 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.240 Let's bring in Liam. Liam. 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.520 Can you tell us a bit about the local area 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.840 where this caravan was found apparently abandoned. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.840 That's right, Harry. This is a very very quiet area 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.800 on the outskirts of sitting here in Jural. It's a 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:45.159 dairy one road. It's a very quiet, lots of large 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:50.000 properties with almost large farms as well. I'll tell you 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.760 a bit about this road. Here right behind me, just 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.720 in front of this pole, is where neighbors tell me 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:01.520 that's where the caravan was found. There's a lot of 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.880 people that I've spoken to are quite worried about being 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:11.480 their suburb being tied to this I guess incident for 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.520 lack of a better word. The home that we saw 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.160 that was raided by authorities as well, the people there 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.520 are very very worried to their own safety as well 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:25.080 that they're going to be linked to this attack. But 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.240 everyone is also here being told as they're saying, that 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.679 they've been told by the police not to speak to media. 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:36.359 So there seems to be for some reason, a very 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:38.280 big I don't want to say a cover up, but 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:41.840 people have been told specifically not to talk. Now you're 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:47.439 talking about motives behind that with Mark Murray before you know, 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:51.520 and there is another I guess the reason behind this 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:56.880 is that, you know, we're police keeping surveillance on the 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:00.199 area seeing whether anyone else involved was coming back to 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:03.239 see where the caravan was. Now we also know that 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.320 there's at least some of the people that are in 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:12.879 custody for previous attacks anti Semitic attacks in Sydney were 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:17.720 you know, is it possibly linked to this vehicle that's 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:19.520 been found with the explosives inside. 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.679 Yeah, and police are working on that and continuing to 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.399 investigate and Probaly and Mendy's thank you so much for 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:27.320 giving us that update. 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:28.280 I appreciate it. 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.800 When Liam said when he mentioned that a house had 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:33.240 been raided, there was a house raided on that street, 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:37.600 but we're told it's unrelated to this caravan, so related 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:38.719 to something else entirely. 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:40.560 Just before we move on, I've got. 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.840 To say, you know, with police keeping this or authorities 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.879 keeping this all secret from us, how lucky are we 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:50.600 to have such such excellent journalists in this country. And 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.359 they all work for my company, By the way, Mark Murray, 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.399 Caroline Marcus, Lia and Mendy's all working hard at this 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.160 late hour to bring us the news on this important 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.000 issuet say thank you to them. 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:01.560 All. 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:03.960