Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 3: We start with tonight's major breaking news that a terrorism
Speaker 3: attack against a synagogue and other Jewish sites has been thwarted.
Speaker 3: A caravan full of explosives was uncovered in Sydney's northwest,
Speaker 3: with reportedly enough firepower to create a forty meter blast wave.
Speaker 3: The Premier tonight held a press conference where he described
Speaker 3: this as a potential mass casualty event. That's a terrifying
Speaker 3: phrase for us all to hear. Inside the vehicle there
Speaker 3: was a note with the address of Jewish targets, including
Speaker 3: a synagogue. There was also a note that read f
Speaker 3: the Jews. Here was Premier Chris Min's addressing the nation.
Speaker 4: Police are very concern in the community, is very concern
Speaker 4: about the rising number of anti Semitic attacks in our
Speaker 4: community community, escalating to the point where there was a
Speaker 4: mass casualty event. Polica were made aware of a van
Speaker 4: with explosive material located in it in Duraal. They've been
Speaker 4: conducting investigations into the site, into the van, into the
Speaker 4: owners of the van and any associates of the owners
Speaker 4: of that van since that time.
Speaker 3: The Premier called this terrorism and police are treating this
Speaker 3: as a credible terror threat. Deputy Commissioner Dave Hudson said
Speaker 3: they already made arrests on the periphery. They wouldn't say
Speaker 3: the exact quantity of explosives that had been found, but
Speaker 3: it's understood to be substantial, and The Herald reported tonight
Speaker 3: that the powergel explosives were believed to have been stolen
Speaker 3: from a mind site and that they were powerful enough
Speaker 3: to create a forty meter blast. Police discovered this caravan
Speaker 3: on the twentieth of January, that's nine days ago.
Speaker 2: I did secret from the public.
Speaker 3: We wouldn't have known about this at all if the
Speaker 3: Daily Telegraphs Crime editor Mark Murray hadn't broken the story
Speaker 3: this evening. After Murray published his report, the Premier and
Speaker 3: the police then held their press conference, and Murray is
Speaker 3: on standby right now to join us live in a
Speaker 3: moment to tell us everything he knows about this story.
Speaker 3: Police said they had kept this secret for operational reasons.
Speaker 5: There are ongoing investigations which need to be conducted. Ideally,
Speaker 5: those investigations are conducted with some form of anonymity in
Speaker 5: relation to what we are trying to pursue. I've indicated
Speaker 5: that we have made arrests on the periphery of this job,
Speaker 5: but we still are after other offenders that we believe
Speaker 5: may be involved.
Speaker 3: So police there insisting that they'd kept this quiet to
Speaker 3: help with their investigation. But this hasn't just been a
Speaker 3: matter for New South Wales Police, the afp AZO, the
Speaker 3: New South Wales Crime Commission are all involved in this investigation.
Speaker 3: More than one hundred officers are working on it, and
Speaker 3: that's a reflection of just how seriously this thwarted terror
Speaker 3: attack is being treated by police and authorities. The Premiere
Speaker 3: was briefed on this on the twentieth of January. As
Speaker 3: you recall, he sat down with me the very next
Speaker 3: day to talk about just how seriously he was taking
Speaker 3: the threat to the Jewish community, and he admitted then
Speaker 3: that the threats were escalating. We just all didn't know
Speaker 3: by how much.
Speaker 4: They are escalating. And I think it's important I say that.
Speaker 4: I don't want anyone to have the impression that we're
Speaker 4: trying to sweep this under the carpet or suggest that
Speaker 4: it's not a major issue. This is the central priority
Speaker 4: of the government at the moment and New South Wales
Speaker 4: Police we are horrified by it.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has also been briefed. He
Speaker 3: was briefed many days ago, but unlike Chris Mins, he
Speaker 3: hasn't addressed the public. Tonight, Caroline Marcus will bring us
Speaker 3: the statement that he's made on social media. Shadow Home
Speaker 3: Affairs Minister James Patterson said that the Albanese government does
Speaker 3: need to explain why this has been kept secret and
Speaker 3: he wants to know when the Prime Minister and the
Speaker 3: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke had been briefed, he said,
Speaker 3: and let's read his statement.
Speaker 2: This is James Patterson.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister and Minister for Home Affairs must explain
Speaker 3: when they were first briefed on this matter, what action
Speaker 3: they took to protect the community, and why they thought
Speaker 3: it was appropriate to keep.
Speaker 2: It a secret for this long now.
Speaker 3: Asked about the arrests that have already been made, Deputy
Speaker 3: Police Commissioner Dave Hudson said they were related, but not
Speaker 3: the main culprits and police were still investigating, so no
Speaker 3: one has directly been arrested. Who who is responsible for
Speaker 3: this thwarted terror threat?
Speaker 6: Have those people been charged yet?
Speaker 5: They've been charged with offences related to Pearl. They are
Speaker 5: in custody, they are posing no ongoing threat whilst their
Speaker 5: investigations continue. Not in relation to this, but they are
Speaker 5: in custody, so there's no requirement for us the charge
Speaker 5: them at this stage whilst their investigations continue.
Speaker 3: So potentially some link there, but we don't have the
Speaker 3: full story. Mark Murray, Mike, and he's going to join me,
Speaker 3: as I said in a moment. But the reality is
Speaker 3: the police don't know who is ultimately behind this spate
Speaker 3: of anti Semitic attacks. The tenterorists so far are of
Speaker 3: career criminals who may have been hired to commit the
Speaker 3: attacks by bigger players.
Speaker 2: I asked the new.
Speaker 3: Stuffer was Head of counter Terrorism, Mark Walton, about this
Speaker 3: last night. In a way, it does give comfort that
Speaker 3: police are making arrests. Ten people have now been arrested,
Speaker 3: But you're sitting here and saying you have no idea
Speaker 3: who's ultimately behind it, who's paying them. That is still
Speaker 3: a serious concern if.
Speaker 7: Something's keeping me up at night.
Speaker 4: It's just that.
Speaker 3: We knew police had stepped up their presence around Jewish
Speaker 3: sites in the eastern suburbs with regular patrols, but we
Speaker 3: didn't know it was partly in relation to this very
Speaker 3: serious threat. The caravan with the explosives was found in
Speaker 3: Dural in northwest Sydney. It's about half an hour from
Speaker 3: Sydney's CBD. Police only discovered the explosives after a local
Speaker 3: resident noticed the caravan had been abandoned and it may
Speaker 3: have been sitting there since early December. This is part
Speaker 3: of the investigation. Dave Hudson assured the public that police
Speaker 3: would not rest until this was solved, and the Premier
Speaker 3: said he had the very best officers investigating.
Speaker 4: You were talking about the finest police force in the
Speaker 4: world that are deploying all of their resources to catch
Speaker 4: these people, and they will not stop until they're behind
Speaker 4: by us.
Speaker 5: We will not rest until those matters are resolved. We
Speaker 5: understand the concerns of the community. We understand the concerns
Speaker 5: of the Jewish community, and we take all these threats
Speaker 5: exceptionally seriously.
Speaker 2: Look, I have to be straight with you.
Speaker 3: This news tonight that a caravan full of explosives enough
Speaker 3: to create a forty meter blast wave. This is frightening
Speaker 3: to all Australians, and no more so than the Jewish community.
Speaker 3: Every time we walk into a synagogue or other Jewish institutions,
Speaker 3: things that you just do normally, naturally in day to
Speaker 3: day life. There's now anxiety and fear and concern. Hearing
Speaker 3: the Premier speak this evening about a potential mass casualty
Speaker 3: event his words, it makes me feel sick to the
Speaker 3: stomach and we can't get the safety guarantees from authorities
Speaker 3: that we want. Last night, Mark Walton said there was
Speaker 3: reason to be concerned. He couldn't say that Jewish figures
Speaker 3: were safe. I asked him whether the Jewish leaders were
Speaker 3: vulnerable after Alex Ripten's former home was targeted. Very succinctly
Speaker 3: is their reason for high profile members of the Jewish
Speaker 3: community not to feel safe.
Speaker 6: It's fair to say everyone should be concerned about what's
Speaker 6: been occurring, and those that have a profile would naturally
Speaker 6: feel more vulnerable.
Speaker 3: Vulnerable is an understatement. This isn't the world any of
Speaker 3: us want to live in. Jewish Australians have only ever
Speaker 3: contributed in a wonderful way to this country in every
Speaker 3: area of life to help make Australia a better place
Speaker 3: to live. The Jewish community has done up so lutely
Speaker 3: nothing to deserve this on the country and I want
Speaker 3: to say. I want to say to you tonight, we
Speaker 3: can't let terrorism win because this is terrorism. Whatever the
Speaker 3: authorities say, it is terrorizing our community. I want to say,
Speaker 3: let's be strong and continue life as normal. But the
Speaker 3: reality is we can't afford to be complacent. And it's
Speaker 3: not just the Jewish community either. The childcare center that
Speaker 3: was firebont wasn't a Jewish preschool, it was just nearby
Speaker 3: a synagogue. This terrorism, this violent crime, is impacting everyone.
Speaker 3: All Australians now have to take precautions. You have to
Speaker 3: look around, be vigilant, report anything suspicious immediately. This wave
Speaker 3: of domestic terror threatens to destroy our Australian way of life.
Speaker 3: It's working against everything that we all love about our country.
Speaker 3: We have to stand up to this and we just
Speaker 3: have to hope that the police lock up the crooks
Speaker 3: as soon as possible before something, as the Premier warned,
Speaker 3: more serious takes place. I'm going to have full coverage
Speaker 3: on the show of this tonight. I've got police reporter
Speaker 3: Mark Murray coming up now. Also the latest on this
Speaker 3: with Sky News reporter Caroline Marcus. Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs
Speaker 3: Minister Sharan Haskell.
Speaker 2: She heard the news and she wants to.
Speaker 3: Come on to talk about how concerned she is about
Speaker 3: how our government is handling anti semitism and for community reaction.
Speaker 3: David Adler will also join me. Also on the show,
Speaker 3: Warren Hogan will be on to speak about the chance
Speaker 3: of a rate cut after the CPI figures today, So
Speaker 3: don't miss any of it. But now let's bring in
Speaker 3: crime editor for the Daily Telegraph, the man who broke
Speaker 3: this story that we wouldn't know about if it wasn't
Speaker 3: for Mark Murray. Mark, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us the latest on this breaking news tonight.
Speaker 8: I think the fact that the police have gone public
Speaker 8: and didn't try to shut everybody down means I think
Speaker 8: they're fairly confident that they have the players that were
Speaker 8: the threat of carrying out something in custody. I think
Speaker 8: Dave Hudson known that pretty clear. What they don't have,
Speaker 8: and what you know Walton told you yesterday is that
Speaker 8: they don't know who is orchestrating this. That I think
Speaker 8: the people in custody really are puppets, and that is
Speaker 8: what's now being worked on. I mean, I could tell
Speaker 8: you now just we're here in Elizabeth Street to studios
Speaker 8: and the police headquarters is just a few flows down,
Speaker 8: and I'm sure the whole hierarchy are there now talking
Speaker 8: about strategy about where they go next.
Speaker 3: Maybe you can pop in after this interview, Mark, And
Speaker 3: I was at those headquarters just a few days ago. Now, Mark,
Speaker 3: you weren't even working today, you're on holidays when you
Speaker 3: got this tip off about this story that there has
Speaker 3: been a caravan full of explosives enough to create a
Speaker 3: forty blast wave, obviously without revealing any confidential sources. How
Speaker 3: did you come by this incredible information that was deliberately
Speaker 3: being withheld from the public.
Speaker 8: I was basically told that there was something brewing and
Speaker 8: it was very, very big, and it took some phone
Speaker 8: calls by myself and also even our editor Ben English,
Speaker 8: and then we started to piece together exactly how big
Speaker 8: it was. Now the whole fact about the secrecy, as
Speaker 8: you said, please are saying it's investigative reasons. I also
Speaker 8: think another problem would be the fact that there are
Speaker 8: the federal police that are involved. Now, it wasn't just
Speaker 8: it was federal police Asio and New South Wales Police
Speaker 8: now deciding when to go public and if to go public.
Speaker 8: I'm wondering who was the one that overriding this. Now
Speaker 8: we know the premiery and knew about it. We also
Speaker 8: know the Prime Minute knew about it. So would it
Speaker 8: have been up to the Prime Minister to say we
Speaker 8: have to go public. I know he's the leader of
Speaker 8: the nation and he knew about it. So I think
Speaker 8: the buck stops there at a federal level. Now, New
Speaker 8: South Wales Police, that happened in their backyard. They moved
Speaker 8: in very quickly and then they started talking to all
Speaker 8: the other organizations. Now we know that there's been problems
Speaker 8: between federal and New South Wales Police. None of them
Speaker 8: are talking about that publicly, but I'm wondering if that
Speaker 8: had something to do with the fact we did even
Speaker 8: get to find out about this.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I just want to stop you then and
Speaker 3: get you to properly explain that because I've known about this,
Speaker 3: and you've known about this, but no one's actually put
Speaker 3: this into the public domain or properly written a story.
Speaker 3: There has been a total breakdown in the relationship between
Speaker 3: the New South Wales Police and the AFP in Canberra.
Speaker 3: Can you expand on just how bad that relationship now is?
Speaker 8: Well, it's been strayed for a long long time over
Speaker 8: even things like drug seizures. You know, there's been this
Speaker 8: ongoing battle where drugs are being seized at the border
Speaker 8: by the Federal Police and New South Wales Police aren't
Speaker 8: getting the information straight away. Now they were trying to
Speaker 8: resolve in this and I think things were getting a
Speaker 8: bit better. But when we've seen in the wake of
Speaker 8: this terrorism when the statement came out and said that
Speaker 8: the Federal Police had intelligence, not evidence, that they believe
Speaker 8: that it could be being orchestrated from overseas and being
Speaker 8: paid in crypto, New South Wales Police did not know
Speaker 8: that and that caused a major rift. And I think,
Speaker 8: as you said, you've known about it. It's always been
Speaker 8: under the surface and they were just trying to get
Speaker 8: things back together. Now they were to that we have
Speaker 8: a joint Terrorism task Force that works New South Wales Police,
Speaker 8: Federal Police. New South Wales Crime Commissioner also heavily involved.
Speaker 8: Now they've got to work together. Is this this is
Speaker 8: the national international problem. Now New South Wales has very
Speaker 8: very good relationships with the FBI and other organizations around
Speaker 8: the world, as hopefully the Federal Police do. So you know,
Speaker 8: let's hope they just get their act together. But I
Speaker 8: think you've probably hit the nail on the head. Why
Speaker 8: did it take so long to become public And I'm
Speaker 8: thinking that's because the agency is involved. And as I said,
Speaker 8: wouldn't it be up to the Prime Minister turn out?
Speaker 8: This is a this is a national threat. This isn't
Speaker 8: a couple of firecrackers found in a ute out in
Speaker 8: southwest Sydney that was going to be used. This was
Speaker 8: a caravan full of explosives. When Dave Hardson said it
Speaker 8: had a potential fourteen meter blast range, I mean that's
Speaker 8: a terrifying, terrifying imagery that he was evoking.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, Mark, thank you for bringing this to the
Speaker 3: public domain. We wouldn't know about this if it wasn't
Speaker 3: for your excellent journalism. You have given decades of brilliant
Speaker 3: police reporting to the Daily Telegraph. Used to be my
Speaker 3: desk buddy at the Daily Telegraph. I know how hard
Speaker 3: you work, how good your sources are, So you know,
Speaker 3: we're all grateful that you reported this.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't know about it otherwise, and I.
Speaker 3: Think it's fascinating to hear you say perhaps this was
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's decision and I expect everyone will now
Speaker 3: be investigating that now that you've said it. All right, Mark,
Speaker 3: thank you so much. And of course he was on
Speaker 3: holidays when he broke this story.
Speaker 2: Good on him.
Speaker 3: All right, let's stay with this breaking news and joining
Speaker 3: minnow senior reporter Caroline Marcus. Caroline, the Prime Minister hasn't
Speaker 3: addressed the nation tonight. The Premier did. He has released
Speaker 3: a statement on social media though, can you tell us
Speaker 3: what he said?
Speaker 9: Yes, Anthony Albaniz, he put out a statement a short
Speaker 9: time ago Shari. He said, we condemn unequivocally this act
Speaker 9: the full night of the afp Azo and New South
Speaker 9: Wales Police are being utilized in this major investigation by
Speaker 9: the Joint counter Terrorism Team. He goes on to explain
Speaker 9: that New South Wales Police have some people in customer
Speaker 9: and how these operations, these investigations are being handled, and
Speaker 9: he ends it hate and extremism have no place in
Speaker 9: Australian society. Now, I think that may fall flat for
Speaker 9: some people given the type of rhetoric that we've heard
Speaker 9: come from the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister when
Speaker 9: it comes to the Jewish State Israel.
Speaker 2: The sort of.
Speaker 9: Weak actions that have been taken by the government and
Speaker 9: by our authorities in terms of people who preach hate,
Speaker 9: people who spew hate on the streets of Australia. So
Speaker 9: he's put out the statement both thoughts and prayers type
Speaker 9: of statement.
Speaker 2: I think we'd like.
Speaker 3: To hear from him in person though, absolutely, And I'm
Speaker 3: sure there'll be a lot of questions when he eventually
Speaker 3: does front the press about what date, when did he
Speaker 3: know about this? Was he involved in the decision to
Speaker 3: keep it quiet? As Mark Murray, who's well across this story, he.
Speaker 2: Just suggested it might have been up to him.
Speaker 3: Caroline, there might be discussion now about whether to raise
Speaker 3: the terror threat level. It's currently at probable that means
Speaker 3: there's more than a fifty percent chance of a terrorist incident.
Speaker 3: But given all these incidences that we've seen that even
Speaker 3: the premiere is calling terrorism, perhaps there should now be
Speaker 3: discussion about raising the threat level.
Speaker 9: You'd think that would be the natural next step, Shorry.
Speaker 9: The terror threat has been a probable since the October
Speaker 9: seven terror attacks on Israel in twenty twenty three. Now,
Speaker 9: if the past few weeks where we have seen the
Speaker 9: firebombing of the former Home of a Jewish community leader,
Speaker 9: the firebombing of a day care center because it appears
Speaker 9: it was mistaken for a Jewish daycare center and it
Speaker 9: was near a Jewish synagogue, the attempted firebombing of a
Speaker 9: Sydney synagogue, the firebombing of Bondai businesses, Jewish businesses.
Speaker 2: I mean, the list goes on and on.
Speaker 9: We don't have time to discuss.
Speaker 2: All the incidents.
Speaker 9: If those incidents, which you have rightfully called as incidents
Speaker 9: that terrorized the Jewish community should surely fit and meet
Speaker 9: the threshold for a terror designation. If all of these
Speaker 9: things combined, and now with this caravan full of explosives
Speaker 9: that police have described as a foiled terror plot, then
Speaker 9: that doesn't raise the terror threat level?
Speaker 2: What will? Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Now, just very quickly before you go, You've got an
Speaker 3: update on some of those who have been arrested in
Speaker 3: relation to aggressive pro Palestinian protests.
Speaker 9: What happened, Well, this was in relation to the very
Speaker 9: first incident that we saw on October nine, two days
Speaker 9: after October seven, outside the Sydney Opera House. There were
Speaker 9: only three arrests.
Speaker 2: I can reveal that night.
Speaker 9: There has been talk of there being more than that.
Speaker 9: There's only been three and I can reveal that no
Speaker 9: convictions were recorded for any of those arrests. Now, these
Speaker 9: arrests had to do with the assault of someone outside
Speaker 9: at that riley. Two of them men pleaded guilty and
Speaker 9: had no convictions recorded, only were given a six month
Speaker 9: conditional release order. Well, the third person pleaded not guilty
Speaker 9: and had his case dismissed.
Speaker 3: It's just appalling, it really is. Caroline Marcus, thank you
Speaker 3: so much, as always for your coverage of these important issues.
Speaker 9: Thank Sarry.
Speaker 3: Now we're going to cross live to Liam Mendes. He's
Speaker 3: on the scene of where this caravan was found in Jural.
Speaker 2: Let's bring in Liam. Liam.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us a bit about the local area
Speaker 3: where this caravan was found apparently abandoned.
Speaker 10: That's right, Harry. This is a very very quiet area
Speaker 10: on the outskirts of sitting here in Jural. It's a
Speaker 10: dairy one road. It's a very quiet, lots of large
Speaker 10: properties with almost large farms as well. I'll tell you
Speaker 10: a bit about this road. Here right behind me, just
Speaker 10: in front of this pole, is where neighbors tell me
Speaker 10: that's where the caravan was found. There's a lot of
Speaker 10: people that I've spoken to are quite worried about being
Speaker 10: their suburb being tied to this I guess incident for
Speaker 10: lack of a better word. The home that we saw
Speaker 10: that was raided by authorities as well, the people there
Speaker 10: are very very worried to their own safety as well
Speaker 10: that they're going to be linked to this attack. But
Speaker 10: everyone is also here being told as they're saying, that
Speaker 10: they've been told by the police not to speak to media.
Speaker 10: So there seems to be for some reason, a very
Speaker 10: big I don't want to say a cover up, but
Speaker 10: people have been told specifically not to talk. Now you're
Speaker 10: talking about motives behind that with Mark Murray before you know,
Speaker 10: and there is another I guess the reason behind this
Speaker 10: is that, you know, we're police keeping surveillance on the
Speaker 10: area seeing whether anyone else involved was coming back to
Speaker 10: see where the caravan was. Now we also know that
Speaker 10: there's at least some of the people that are in
Speaker 10: custody for previous attacks anti Semitic attacks in Sydney were
Speaker 10: you know, is it possibly linked to this vehicle that's
Speaker 10: been found with the explosives inside.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and police are working on that and continuing to
Speaker 3: investigate and Probaly and Mendy's thank you so much for
Speaker 3: giving us that update.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: When Liam said when he mentioned that a house had
Speaker 3: been raided, there was a house raided on that street,
Speaker 3: but we're told it's unrelated to this caravan, so related
Speaker 3: to something else entirely.
Speaker 2: Just before we move on, I've got.
Speaker 3: To say, you know, with police keeping this or authorities
Speaker 3: keeping this all secret from us, how lucky are we
Speaker 3: to have such such excellent journalists in this country. And
Speaker 3: they all work for my company, By the way, Mark Murray,
Speaker 3: Caroline Marcus, Lia and Mendy's all working hard at this
Speaker 3: late hour to bring us the news on this important
Speaker 3: issuet say thank you to them.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 3: Right, let's bring you now for some other issues, and
Speaker 3: we're going to come back to this. I've got sharenn
Speaker 3: Haskell still coming up, as well as Deputy Foreign Minister David.
Speaker 2: Adler as well. But let's have a look at what else.
Speaker 3: Happened today now with Michael Kroger from a Liberal Party
Speaker 3: president and former Labor Senator Graham Richardson.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3: Let's look at the inflation data that came out today.
Speaker 3: It does show that CPI is falling. This would have
Speaker 3: Richo given your mate Albow some relief. I suppose he
Speaker 3: can now claim that he's making headway on the cost
Speaker 3: of living crisis.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think Galbo and Jim Chalmers would have smiles
Speaker 11: on their faces tonight. They've been waiting for some good news.
Speaker 11: It hasn't all been good lately, but this is very
Speaker 11: good and I'm happy for them because they have put
Speaker 11: in a lot of work on this.
Speaker 3: Michael Kroger, the trimmed mean fell from three point five
Speaker 3: percent to three point two percent in the September quarter.
Speaker 3: This is still not in the target range. And I
Speaker 3: think what a lot of people don't understand when we
Speaker 3: talk about inflation. You know, they hear and even journalists
Speaker 3: inflation is falling, so they think prices are falling.
Speaker 2: That's not right.
Speaker 3: It just means that prices they're still rising, but they're
Speaker 3: not rising as fast as they were. The rate isn't
Speaker 3: as fast as it was, so Michael Kroger, you know,
Speaker 3: people don't even need to understand that from an economic space,
Speaker 3: it's just going to the supermarket, going to the local shops.
Speaker 3: They still know everything's getting more expensive.
Speaker 6: So I look at these things from electric point of view,
Speaker 6: from people's lived experiences. What are people actually feeling, what
Speaker 6: are they paying for, rent, for food, for petrol, et cetera, electricity,
Speaker 6: et cetera. That's what people are voting on, that's what
Speaker 6: they're interested in. These technical changes are all very well,
Speaker 6: and there's a small cut coming to registrates, which will
Speaker 6: be good news for everybody, But generally you've got to
Speaker 6: look at what people what's happening to people on a
Speaker 6: daily basis. Right They counting their cash every single day
Speaker 6: and prices have gone through the roof over the last
Speaker 6: dight months. And they're not going to give alban Easy
Speaker 6: much credit for one rate cut if it happens between
Speaker 6: now and the election. And the reason for that is
Speaker 6: that people tend to know that the government has exploded
Speaker 6: its expenditure. There's one hundred billion dollars or more in
Speaker 6: deficits coming over the next four years. Chalmers has not
Speaker 6: been able to cut his expenditure. He's been too weak
Speaker 6: on that and government expenditure. Massive government expenditure fuels inflation.
Speaker 6: So generally speaking, the punters tend to know that. They
Speaker 6: tend to know that, and if they don't know that
Speaker 6: they look at the prices in the supermarket, then they
Speaker 6: do know a cherry.
Speaker 3: Indeed, the Roy Morgan pole we saw overnight the Coalition
Speaker 3: is now leading Labor fifty two percent to forty eight
Speaker 3: percent on a two party preferred basis. Rich Oh, how
Speaker 3: do you interpret these pole results? Do you think this
Speaker 3: means that you know where it might be looking at
Speaker 3: a hung parliament or do you think Data now is
Speaker 3: in a winnable position even if it is minority government.
Speaker 11: I think a hung parliament is still the most likely.
Speaker 11: But Dutton is closing gaps all the time and becoming
Speaker 11: more and more acceptable. You know, he was the blobber boy,
Speaker 11: the hard man, but he's done a pretty good job
Speaker 11: of softening that image gradually, and I think he's coming
Speaker 11: across very well. Labor need to treat Dutton very very seriously.
Speaker 11: Once upon a time they underestimated Tony Abbott to their
Speaker 11: great cost. They've got to make sure that doesn't happen again.
Speaker 3: Now, Michael, there's some discussion about Peter Dutton needing to
Speaker 3: win over some more women. I mean, traditionally, I suppose
Speaker 3: the women vote has been a little bit softer for
Speaker 3: the Coalition. This isn't a new thing. And at least
Speaker 3: Labor tries to play this up. They always try to
Speaker 3: claim that whoever the opposition leader is, or sorry, whoever
Speaker 3: the liberal leader is has a woman problem. Do you
Speaker 3: think this is a real factor or not.
Speaker 6: I mean, Peter Dutton won't be doing that. He'll be
Speaker 6: doing what he thinks best for the country. And look,
Speaker 6: to take Graham's point, I've lived through generations of conservative
Speaker 6: leaders who never had any hope of winning, starting with
Speaker 6: Bilchi Peterson, Jeff Kennett, John Howard and Margaret Thatcher, Scott Morrison,
Speaker 6: Tony Abbott, Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump. The quintessential problem here
Speaker 6: is that the left hate and despise conservative leaders, and
Speaker 6: they are on this. You know, there's this rollercoaster of
Speaker 6: they hate them so much they can't believe that the
Speaker 6: public would vote for them, and so they tend to
Speaker 6: dismiss conservative leaders who tend to win electorally because they've
Speaker 6: got the interests of the majority of Australians at heart
Speaker 6: and throughout the world. Georgie and Maloney, just Winning et cetera.
Speaker 6: The Black and Argent Harbor, malayre in Argentina, et cetera
Speaker 6: et cetera. So no, I think Peter Dutton needs to
Speaker 6: keep on the road he's been going on. He's done
Speaker 6: a first class job so far as leader. He's united
Speaker 6: the party like I've never seen. He's been unflappable, he's
Speaker 6: extremely honest with the public and as I said before,
Speaker 6: I think dott In his favorite to win the election.
Speaker 6: You know, Graham's probably right. It could be a hung
Speaker 6: parliament or he could win in his own right, but
Speaker 6: I think Albanezy winning is the is the least likely
Speaker 6: of the two options.
Speaker 3: Least likely option. We'll keep covering this. I want to
Speaker 3: turn to this fascinating story today. So as we know,
Speaker 3: Elon Musk has got in there with his Department of
Speaker 3: Government Efficiency DOGE, and one of the first things he's
Speaker 3: uncovered is that the White House under Joe Biden was
Speaker 3: sending millions of US dollars in supposed aid to Gaza,
Speaker 3: but it was funding condoms.
Speaker 2: Have a look.
Speaker 7: Do Jao andb also found that there was about to
Speaker 7: be fifty million taxpayer dollars that went out the door
Speaker 7: to fund condoms in Gaza. That is a preposterous waste
Speaker 7: of taxpayer money. So that's what this part focused on
Speaker 7: being good stewards of tax dollars.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just appalling.
Speaker 3: Obviously Trump has put a stop to that, and Elon
Speaker 3: Musk said on X that this was just the tip
Speaker 3: of the iceberg. This comes, of course, as we learned,
Speaker 3: as I told you last night, that Donald Trump is
Speaker 3: formally inviting Natan Yahoo to the White House. That'll be
Speaker 3: early next week, or it could be the week after,
Speaker 3: but either way he's going to be it'll be early
Speaker 3: next week. He will be the first foreign leader to
Speaker 3: meet with President Trump. Richo, Firstly, what do you think
Speaker 3: of this insane government waste of money to guys? I mean,
Speaker 3: why are they funding condoms? Is it so that when
Speaker 3: they rape the Jewish hostages they don't get them pregnant?
Speaker 11: I think this is so bizarre. It's very hard to
Speaker 11: sit here and make a rational comment on something that
Speaker 11: is so irrational, and that's what this is. I can
Speaker 11: recall some arguments about condoms and the Olympics, and we're
Speaker 11: even able to establish the Canadian girls with the most
Speaker 11: active But that having been said, it doesn't take you anywhere.
Speaker 11: And I think chasing the condom is definitely not the
Speaker 11: answer here.
Speaker 6: What do you think about this Michael Kroger, Well, I
Speaker 6: want to know where our money's gone that's going to UNRA.
Speaker 6: Penny one couldn't wait to restore funding to UNRA. Could
Speaker 6: someone do an audit on that and find out where
Speaker 6: our money has been spent? I mean obviously presumably non condoms,
Speaker 6: but where has our money being spent? I mean, where
Speaker 6: is the audit of these funds? I mean this is
Speaker 6: one thing the Labor Party annoys me about. They never
Speaker 6: seem to worry about, you know where this money goes?
Speaker 6: I mean the Coalition last year just end a price
Speaker 6: asked for an inquiry into where our money is spent
Speaker 6: in the Aboriginal affairs portfolio for example, or Labor opposed it.
Speaker 6: Why would you oppose an inquiry into where government money
Speaker 6: is spent in the Aboriginal community. So you know, government's
Speaker 6: lazy governments who just spend taxpayer dollars promising money for
Speaker 6: this money for that. We never seem to know where
Speaker 6: this money goes. And I'd like, Penny, want to tell
Speaker 6: us where this funding, Where is this unrete down to
Speaker 6: the last dollar, where is this what is this money
Speaker 6: actually being spent on?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 6: Has made a good made a good start.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because when it goes to Gaza Humus, a listed
Speaker 3: terrorist organization is the governing body, so surely no one
Speaker 3: should trust the way that they're spending the money. All Right,
Speaker 3: Graham Richardson, Michael Kroger, thank you both very much for
Speaker 3: your time.
Speaker 2: Now after the.
Speaker 3: Break, will cross live to Israel for Deputy Foreign Minister
Speaker 3: Sharon Haskell's reaction to the news tonight of the thwarted
Speaker 3: terror attacks. Stay tuned, Welcome back with Sharon Haskell will
Speaker 3: join me shortly live from Israel. I must have going
Speaker 3: to have economist Warren Hogan to talk about what the
Speaker 3: inflation data to may mean for the election date and
Speaker 3: whether we'll get a rate cut. But now let's return
Speaker 3: to that breaking news that police have launched a major
Speaker 3: investigation into a plot to terrorize a synagogue, to have
Speaker 3: a terror attack on a synagogue at canavan. Caravan filled
Speaker 3: with explosives enough to create a forty meter last wave
Speaker 3: was found nine days ago. All right, I'm Joe now
Speaker 3: by the Australian Jewish Association President David Adler. David, thank
Speaker 3: you so much for your time. First, what's your reaction
Speaker 3: to this revelation this afternoon.
Speaker 12: Well, everyone's called it out as an escalation, and indeed
Speaker 12: it is. I mean, this is horrific. I used to
Speaker 12: live in a wonderful country called Australia. Maybe you remember it,
Speaker 12: because what we're seeing today is not Australia. And there
Speaker 12: are a couple of really important lessons which I don't
Speaker 12: think have been drawn out about the significance of the escalation.
Speaker 12: One is that for the first time we have demonstrated
Speaker 12: proof that extreme anti Semites are able to get their
Speaker 12: hands on large quantities of explosives. So that's a clear lesson.
Speaker 12: And the second lesson is that we have people willing
Speaker 12: to plan huge terrorist events in this country. So that's
Speaker 12: a very toxic mix and it feels to me a
Speaker 12: bit like a horrific game of Russian Roulette where hopefully
Speaker 12: the authorities intervene. But experience overseas and I don't want
Speaker 12: to scare people, but experience overseas shows that from time
Speaker 12: to time these plans are executed and that's where Australia is. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the premiere, in his own words, said
Speaker 3: tonight that there is concern out there that there could
Speaker 3: be a mass casualty event. Obviously, the police are working
Speaker 3: that utmost up that from happening, and we just have
Speaker 3: to have confidence that they are really throwing everything at
Speaker 3: this and I saw firsthound how they are patrolling the
Speaker 3: streets that you know they have a lot of resources
Speaker 3: out in the ground. Do you think this should have
Speaker 3: been kept from the public and was your organization informed
Speaker 3: about this?
Speaker 12: We were not informed. We found out about it when
Speaker 12: the Daily Telegraph released the story. It is very significant
Speaker 12: for the community. And look, we don't know the detailed
Speaker 12: in the workings of the police investigations. I hope they
Speaker 12: had very very good reasons for keeping it hidden that
Speaker 12: normally you would want to at least fully inform the
Speaker 12: affected community so that they're aware, so people can make
Speaker 12: informed decisions about security and many additional precautions that they
Speaker 12: wish to take. We are certainly seeing the police more
Speaker 12: focused now. And if one wanted to take a bit
Speaker 12: of a cynical view, and I think it is a
Speaker 12: justified cynical view. The violent anti Semitism has become a
Speaker 12: major public issue, and we know that there's an election,
Speaker 12: a federal election coming up, and perhaps that is what's
Speaker 12: druden the focusing of the minds well for.
Speaker 3: The first time we saw a freshwater pole in the
Speaker 3: finn Review this week. Earlier in the week showed that
Speaker 3: law and order is now one of the top five
Speaker 3: issues that are worrying voters.
Speaker 2: Of course, cost of living.
Speaker 3: Is number one, two to three fall basically, but law
Speaker 3: and order is now up there as an issue of
Speaker 3: serious concern. Of course, in the Jewish community it is
Speaker 3: the number one concern all day, every day. But this
Speaker 3: is now affecting all of Australia. It was a non
Speaker 3: Jewish preschool that was firebombed, a pre school being fire bombed.
Speaker 2: You know, you can just never get your head around that. David.
Speaker 3: How is your community, your members feeling at the moment.
Speaker 12: Well, I can tell you that there is actually a
Speaker 12: visceral anger at the federal government, particularly because there is
Speaker 12: no doubt in the feedback that we receive that they
Speaker 12: have fueled this anti Semitism by their extraordinary sequence of
Speaker 12: hostile policy changes towards Israel and the Jewish community in
Speaker 12: Israel are identified together in the minds of many people,
Speaker 12: and their failure for the last fifteen months to deal
Speaker 12: adequately with the rise of anti Semitism that we've seen
Speaker 12: in so many places so there is a visceral anger,
Speaker 12: there is a disappointment, and I know for a fact
Speaker 12: that there has been a major swing away from the
Speaker 12: government in voting intention and in our community, without.
Speaker 2: A doubt, Apps, without question.
Speaker 3: All right, David Adler, thank you so much, appreciate you
Speaker 3: coming in tonight.
Speaker 12: Thank you, Shary.
Speaker 3: Now after the break we will cross to Israel with
Speaker 3: Sharen Haskell.
Speaker 2: Plus we'll get the.
Speaker 3: Latest inflation numbers, what it means for the chances of
Speaker 3: a rate cut and the timing of the election. That
Speaker 3: with economist Warren Hoagan. That's all to come, So stay tuned,
Speaker 3: welcome back. Well. Australia's anti Semitism crisis has made headlines
Speaker 3: around the world and concerned Israel in particular, especially after
Speaker 3: today's shocking revelations, the news that a caravan filled with
Speaker 3: explosives has been found it was reportedly or police are
Speaker 3: investigating whether it was destined for a synagogue. Let's cross
Speaker 3: live to Israel now and I've got Israeli Deputy Foreign
Speaker 3: Affairs Minister and regular on the show Sharen Haskell. Charen,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2: Hello, what's showy? What's your action to this news? Tonight?
Speaker 3: That a caravan filled with explosives enough to create a
Speaker 3: forty meta.
Speaker 2: Blast has been found by police.
Speaker 1: Well, Shary, I was at your show just last week
Speaker 1: and I said very clearly, it is not a matter
Speaker 1: of whether you know someone's going to get hurt. It's
Speaker 1: going to cost the lives of people if we don't
Speaker 1: deal with this problem right now, but a question of
Speaker 1: when how long will it take? And what we've seen today,
Speaker 1: the first thing I want to think the new Southwell Police,
Speaker 1: the Australian Police for taking it so seriously and dealing
Speaker 1: with this problem and advancing weather and actually keeping the
Speaker 1: Jewish community safe, and we thank you for that. They
Speaker 1: are doing incredible work and they are taking it extremely seriously,
Speaker 1: and I'm very glad to see that and to hear that.
Speaker 1: But I'm really concerned the rise of anti Semitism in
Speaker 1: Australia is in a scope that I never imagined could happen.
Speaker 3: You have been critical of the Albanesi government, as have I,
Speaker 3: very critical that they downplayed just how serious and severe
Speaker 3: the anti Semitism crisis was until very recently, when the
Speaker 3: attacks were so extreme that they couldn't look away anymore.
Speaker 3: What do you think the government should have done earlier
Speaker 3: to prevent this problem getting to this acute level.
Speaker 1: I think personally, you know, just a few days after
Speaker 1: October seven, when a mob marched in the streets and
Speaker 1: on the steps of the Sydney Opera House enchanted gas
Speaker 1: to Jewice, that was a red line that was needed
Speaker 1: to be set. This was not a demonstration about criticizing
Speaker 1: Israel because Israel hasn't set foot getting I want to
Speaker 1: remind you that it took Israel for almost three weeks
Speaker 1: to set up an operation to go into Gaza if
Speaker 1: by Comas.
Speaker 2: This was a full on.
Speaker 13: Display of jihadists, supporting jihad supporting the murder of Jews,
Speaker 13: supporting terrorism, calling in the streets.
Speaker 1: Of Sydney to gas or Jews. The confusion, the excuses
Speaker 1: are just you know, it's it's absolutely we cannot tolerate that.
Speaker 1: And that's when a red line should have been drapped
Speaker 1: immediately to send a message that those kinds of things
Speaker 1: are absolutely unacceptable. If from there things are continuing to
Speaker 1: deteriorate and still there is no clear call from the government,
Speaker 1: then it will continue up to that point where we
Speaker 1: are today, where event a camp event was found with
Speaker 1: explosive targeting for the attempt to target Jews, to murder Jews,
Speaker 1: to blow up whether a synagogue or a Jewish area.
Speaker 1: The notes that were found in there are aimed towards
Speaker 1: the Jewish community in Australia. This is one of the
Speaker 1: most incredible and accepting community. Australia is the beacon of light,
Speaker 1: multiculturalism and tolerance. And you know, those cases should be clear.
Speaker 1: You know that they contradict the Australian values and are
Speaker 1: absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and I think your point that anti Semitism did
Speaker 3: become tolerated by authorities, at least that was the message
Speaker 3: that was sent. It became normalized. We know anti Semitism
Speaker 3: like any racism, you know, it's like a virus. It
Speaker 3: is contagious, and it was permitted to spread and become normalized.
Speaker 3: And that is part of the reason we've ended up
Speaker 3: where we are. Sharan Australia has now got a very
Speaker 3: hostile foreign policy towards Israel under Foreign Minister Penny Wong.
Speaker 2: We're seeing something completely.
Speaker 3: Different from the new administration in the United States. Donald
Speaker 3: Trump has extended an invitation to Benjaminette and Yahoo. Your
Speaker 3: Prime Minister will then be the first foreign leader to
Speaker 3: meet with Trump. What does this say to you about
Speaker 3: the relationship between America and Israel under this new administration.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Trump has been one of the greatest
Speaker 1: allies to the Jewish people and to the State of
Speaker 1: Israel in his last term. You know, many of these
Speaker 1: actions are unpresidented, and has greatly supported us and backed
Speaker 1: us through very difficult situation. What we've seen only in
Speaker 1: a few days after his inauguration, his first day of inauguration,
Speaker 1: when he's already signed you know, certain presidential.
Speaker 3: Like executive audis.
Speaker 13: Executive orders exactly, are are remarkable and show the friendship
Speaker 13: and the support, but most of all, the understanding of
Speaker 13: the forces in the Middle East. Which forces are stabilizing
Speaker 13: forces that can create stability, economical prosperity and actual peace,
Speaker 13: and which forces are the biggest stabilizing forces, the biggest
Speaker 13: progressor and violent warmongers in that region.
Speaker 1: And he made it very clear with those executive orders,
Speaker 1: including shipment of equipment, that Israel needed to fight commands
Speaker 1: to fight seven fronts. You know that we were attacked
Speaker 1: from all led by Iran, by the Iranian regime UH
Speaker 1: lifting certain sanctions from people, people who for some reason,
Speaker 1: people tried to compare them to violent terrorists who murdered
Speaker 1: innocent civilian. They try to put an equivalence to you know, Jewish, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to Jewish people who, you know, I don't justify some
Speaker 1: of the violence, but there is tension and there is violence.
Speaker 1: But you cannot compare them to terrorists who went and
Speaker 1: murdered other people even they weren't sanctioned. So to sanction
Speaker 1: some people from the Jewish community specifically targeting specific organization,
Speaker 1: who are you know, you cannot describe them in a
Speaker 1: way that the other administration has described them. It's very welcoming.
Speaker 1: We are very happy, and you know, it's.
Speaker 3: Especially because it does have a strong justice system and
Speaker 3: it does lock up criminals, and it does apply the
Speaker 3: law to every Israeli who exim breaks the law and
Speaker 3: behaves in a violent way. Sharena Haskell, thank you so
Speaker 3: much for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: All right, don't go anywhere after the break. How have
Speaker 3: today's inflation figures changed the election? Warren Hogan would join
Speaker 3: me next, Welcome back. Well, let's turn to today's inflation data,
Speaker 3: which was an improvement at does show inflation is filing.
Speaker 3: Here was the Treasurer Jim Charmers.
Speaker 14: Headline. Inflation is now in the bottom half of the
Speaker 14: Reserve Bank's target band, underlying inflation in the low threes.
Speaker 14: Both of those outcomes are better than expected and lower
Speaker 14: than the official forecasts. The Reserve Bank will weigh up
Speaker 14: all of those considerations. They'll come to a decision independently.
Speaker 14: But I think what we're seeing here is a reminder
Speaker 14: that the soft landing that we have been planning for
Speaker 14: and preparing for is looking more and more likely.
Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in now Judo Bank chief economist
Speaker 3: Warren Hogan. Warren, tell us what you think this data means.
Speaker 3: Do you think Michelle Bullick is now going to have
Speaker 3: a look at whether there is a rate cut?
Speaker 15: Yeah, good evening, Cherry. Look, they certainly will be, especially
Speaker 15: given the fact that the broad sort of consensus of
Speaker 15: economists and financial markets is basically seeing it as a
Speaker 15: done deal. At the RBA's next meeting in a few
Speaker 15: weeks so they'll discuss it, and this will be the
Speaker 15: first time that they've discussed the rate cut. But I
Speaker 15: still don't think the economic case for quite is strong enough.
Speaker 15: The Treasurer just there and your piece said that inflation
Speaker 15: is at two point four percent. Inflation is not at
Speaker 15: two point four percent. The CPI has grown by two
Speaker 15: point four percent, but that's because the government subsidies, and
Speaker 15: it's not just the electricity, it's not just federal government.
Speaker 15: It's state government subsidies of urban transport, public transport, it's childcare,
Speaker 15: it's rents. So the inflation number is improving, but it's
Speaker 15: still above three. And of course the RBA shouldn't be
Speaker 15: cutting rates until they are utterly confident that inflation is
Speaker 15: going to be in the middle of their target band
Speaker 15: at two and a half and it'll stay there. And
Speaker 15: I don't think they're at that point, but it looks
Speaker 15: like there's a lot of pressure on them, so we
Speaker 15: can't dismiss the risk that they will.
Speaker 3: Cut Well, well, let's turn to that pressure. And this
Speaker 3: is going to be a test for the RBA, for
Speaker 3: Michelle Bullok about whether they are truly independent. There'll be
Speaker 3: a lot of spotlight on this decision, given that it's
Speaker 3: going to take place either in the middle of or
Speaker 3: just before an election campaign. We saw Sally McManus, the
Speaker 3: Union leader, come out today and say that the RBA
Speaker 3: should cut rates. We've seen other labor andps now play
Speaker 3: the comments on my show tomorrow night, but put that
Speaker 3: pressure on the RBA, so you know they aren't meant
Speaker 3: to be independent. Do you think they will be swayed
Speaker 3: by some of this heavy political pressure.
Speaker 15: Look, I hope not, because it will be It would
Speaker 15: be not good for our country. The RBA's credibility has
Speaker 15: taken a hit in the pandemic because of the missteps
Speaker 15: that we all know about with their guidance. And if
Speaker 15: they were to cut rates prematurely only to see the
Speaker 15: economy continue to improve and inflation to stop falling. In
Speaker 15: a worse case, to actually have to high rates at
Speaker 15: some stage down the track, that would be truly embarrassing
Speaker 15: and would damage their Our reputation is a nation, and
Speaker 15: their reputation is independent in our community, So I think
Speaker 15: it's dangerous. I think they should be very cautious with
Speaker 15: cutting rates, particularly given the evidence in the broader economy
Speaker 15: is that we've got strong employment growth, low unemployment and
Speaker 15: if anything, consumer spending is starting to pick up again.
Speaker 15: It really begs the question, what are they hoping to
Speaker 15: achieve with a rate cut, and if that is, if
Speaker 15: what they're looking to achieve is more employment and more inflation.
Speaker 15: I'm not clear that that's the right objective right.
Speaker 2: Now, Warren.
Speaker 3: You mentioned in your first answer energy subsidies, and we
Speaker 3: know they have some would say artificially brought down the CPI.
Speaker 3: So what do you think our real inflation level is
Speaker 3: looking like at the minute.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't think there's any question that it's brought
Speaker 15: the CPI down artificially is a measure of inflation, It's
Speaker 15: brought down the cost of living and that's great for
Speaker 15: Australians that have had this support. But as we've seen
Speaker 15: with the Queensland budget, there's a cost of that in
Speaker 15: other ways. So look, I think inflation has come down
Speaker 15: to about three and a quarter percent, which is great.
Speaker 15: It's moving in the right direction. But what we're seeing
Speaker 15: in the United States is inflation has stopped falling at
Speaker 15: about this level, and they're not looking like they're going
Speaker 15: to cut rates anymore, and their interest rates actually higher
Speaker 15: than our. So look, I think inflation is still an
Speaker 15: open question, and any talk that the inflation war is
Speaker 15: one I think is misguided.
Speaker 3: All Right, Warren Hogan, always love having you on the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Now, don't miss tomorrow night. I've
Speaker 3: got Hollywood actor Daniel Listing on, plus Michael Schellenberger I'll
Speaker 3: see you tomorrow at eight.
Speaker 2: And here's Paul