WEBVTT - Sharri | 25 June 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:09.520 Sharing good evening. Will we start tonight with the breaking 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:13.680 news that Labor Senator Fatima Payman, who defied Labor by 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.480 crossing the floor to support the Greens on Gaza, will 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:22.440 not be expelled from the party. An Albanesi spokesperson has 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.720 told us that the senator says she maintains strong labor 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.680 values and intends to continue representing the Western Australians who 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.080 elected her as a Labor senator. There is no manated 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.040 sanction in these circumstances, and previous caucus members have crossed 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.240 the floor without facing expulsion. As reflected in our amendment, 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.760 the government supports the recognition of a Palestinian state as 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.400 part of a peace process towards a two state solution. 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.080 Now I'm going to come back to just how weak 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.360 Albanesi is in a minute, but first to recap just 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.600 this evening. Fatima payment has backed the Green's motion to 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.720 recognize a state of palestein a move that only rewards 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.480 her MUSS for its terrorism of October seven. And here 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.240 she was speaking after the vote. I was not. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:15.000 Elected as a token representative of diversity. I was elected 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.640 to serve the people of Western Australia and uphold the 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.720 values instilled in me by my late father. Today I 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.720 have made a decision that would make him proud and 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:31.520 make everyone proud who are on the side of humanity. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.640 That is a prerogative for my party. I believe that 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:41.800 I have upheld the party ethos and called for what 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.959 the party's platform has stipulated. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.639 Now, other Labor politicians have been expelled in the past 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.800 for crossing the floor, clearly an exception for Fatima Payment, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.640 and she showed utter contempt for the Prime Minister, taking 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:02.120 aim at Albansi in her remarks. Now only thirteen Senators 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:06.960 voted for this Greens bill payment, the Greens David Pocock 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:11.320 and Lydia Thorpe, and the debate was ugly, with Lydia 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:21.400 Thorpe yelling about Australia's complicity with so called genocide. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.160 Order order. 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:31.120 As Senator thought, I asked you to come to order order. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:32.840 Order. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:35.079 Well. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.520 Fatima Payment is now becoming well known for her anti 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:43.760 Israel campaign at odds with official Labor Party policy. So 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.760 despite Albanezy saying that the chance from the River to 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.680 the Sea and into Fada had no place in Australia, 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:55.880 Fatima refused to acknowledge that they were anti Semitic or inappropriate. 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:58.840 This is a genocide. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:05.320 I see our performatively gesture defending the oppressor's right to 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:09.520 oppress from the revetivis Palestine will be free. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:15.360 She's also praised activists who've set up encampments at universities, 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.839 despite the fact they've resulted in Jewish students being harassed 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:25.960 and intimidated. Many Jews feel unwelcome, with activists posting videos 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:31.200 proudly online about chasing Zionists of campus, and just last week, 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:35.320 Fatima Payman wrote an opinion piece in Al Jazeera where 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:41.080 she called for Palestinian state without once mentioning her mus 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.600 the October seven atrocities or the one hundred and twenty 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:51.480 hostages who are still cruelly held captive in Gaza. Now, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.920 as we mentioned, Labor Party policy has in the past 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.600 meant that those who've crossed the floor are expelled. But 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.880 we know Albani he is a weak leader, and he's 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:06.600 chosen not to exercise his authority over Fatima payment. He 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:11.400 still hasn't over Andrew Giles, despite scandals that should have 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:16.279 seen him sacked multiple times over. The danger for Albanezi 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.440 is that now that he's allowed Payment to cross the 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:24.440 floor without consequence. He's effectively giving the green light to 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.040 other politicians to do so in many other policy areas, 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:34.440 from nuclear energy to a judicial inquiry into anti Semitism. Now, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:39.839 like I've said many times, we all want peace. No 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:44.080 one wants this war. This war was forced on Israel 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:50.520 when Hermas stole two hundred and fifty innocent people, including babies, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.960 young children, and teenage girls. Hamas is the governing body 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.440 in Gaza, and it started this war when it brutally 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:06.159 murdered more then one two hundred innocent civilians. Hamas could 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:10.279 end this war immediately if it returned all of the 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.880 hostages and surrendered. But the way to end this war 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:19.520 isn't to reward the terrorists by giving them their own state. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:26.200 The suggestion is pure lunacy, and while ultimately there absolutely 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.640 should be a two state solution, there can be no 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:34.840 Palestinian state until a responsible governing body leads the Palestinian 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:40.480 people to recognize a Palestinian state. Now, as the green suggests, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:45.040 as Fatima Payment wants to do, it turns the terrorists 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:51.039 into freedom fighters. It turns October seven into Palestinian independent state, 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.760 and it only sets back the prospect of peace by 0:05:54.800 --> 0:06:03.560 emboldening and strengthening the arm of the barbaric terrorists. Well, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.360 now let's turn to Juliana sanch who is today being 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.640 celebrated by the Unions, the Greens, and the Teals as 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:15.880 a hero journalist, when in reality he's an irresponsible traitor 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.599 who risked the lives of American sources working in high 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:24.800 risk war zones and oppressive regimes. There's no question Assange 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.120 broke the law, but today he was released from prison 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.560 in a plea deal done with the US. Assange has 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.880 left the UK and flown to the Northern Mariana Islands 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.000 where he'll sign the deal that'll see him walk free. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.919 He had been charged with conspiracy to obtain and disclose 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:48.600 national defense information after publishing trobes of classified national security 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:53.400 documents that related to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. That 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.760 was back in twenty ten. There was no attempt by 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.120 Assange to sip through the documents to protect the identities 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:07.120 of sources, servicemen and women who are already risking their 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:12.400 lives for the sake of our collective national security. And 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:18.640 it's this that separates Assange from the occupation. I love journalism. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.640 Journalism is a commitment to the truth, but it requires 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:28.240 careful and responsible investigation. It's not a careless document dump. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:33.080 Journalists are also not captured by government propaganda, and they 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:41.160 don't confuse bloodthirsty terrorists with freedom fighters. Assange is nobody's hero, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.640 as long term editor Alan Howe notes, recklessly dumping classified 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:51.720 correspondence on a website is regarded by journalism as journalism 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:56.520 by nobody. Assange describes himself as a journalist, editor, and publisher. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.760 He is neither a journalist nor an editor trained as either. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:05.000 He would have handled his infamous leaks more responsibly, but 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.720 he is certainly a publisher in the manner that so 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.640 is anyone who posts a photograph of their kids on 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:17.119 social media. Yet Assange won the Gold Walkley, journalism's highest honor, 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:22.160 for what for stolen classified documents. When he was on 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.120 the run from the US, he was accused of being 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:29.200 captured by the Kremlin. He even became a propaganda tool 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:33.520 for Putin. Assange had a show on the Kremlin controlled 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:37.120 Russian state television where his first guest was a leader 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:42.439 of the jew hating terror group Hezbla. Assange described this 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:47.360 terrorist as a freedom fighter, and it was hardly a 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.400 tough interview. The Guardian reported at the time that the 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:57.360 questions were clearly agreed in advance, some were softball, others fawning, 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:03.920 with Nasrala's answers unchallenged, and The Guardian, the left leaning publication, 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.600 by the way, strongly criticized Assange over this. They wrote, 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.720 the mystery is why Assange should agree to become a 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:15.840 pawn in the Kremlin's global information war. It seems extraordinary 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:20.120 that Assange, described by RT that's Russian television as the 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.720 world's most famous whistleblower, should team up with an opaque 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:28.480 regime where investigative journalists are shot dead and human rights 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:34.200 activists kidnapped and executed, especially in Chechnya and other Southern 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:42.960 Muslim republics. Strange and obscene, That's the Guardian. Assange's values 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:47.400 are compromised, confused, and his journalism, if you can call 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.400 it that and I don't, is closer to anti Western 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:56.600 propaganda than genuinely investigative. Despite his history, there's now a 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.440 bipartisan view that he's done his time, and he probably has, 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.160 and thanks to the plea deal with the US, he'll 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:08.480 now walk free. Unsurprisingly, the Greens and the radical Left 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.160 was celebrating today. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.480 There is no power on earth that can hold back 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.760 truth when its time has come, and I want to 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.280 pay enormous tribute to the courage of Julian Assange who 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.080 stood his ground. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.320 Nissange has been a member of our union that the 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.920 Media Entertainment Arts Alliance since two thousand and seven. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:35.160 His persistence and his commitment to the truth is what has. 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.800 Got him out of that detention, and I. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.199 Think it's something that should be celebrated. 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:39.920 Prime Minister. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.920 Is Julian Assange only coming home? Can you bear it? 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.280 And Albin Easy himself took credit for the move. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:54.880 I've been very clear as both the Labor leader in 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:59.920 opposition but also as Prime Minister that regardless of the 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.600 views that people have about mister Osane's activities, the case 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:05.480 has dragged. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:06.000 On for too long. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.280 There's nothing to be gained by his continued incarceration and 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.600 we want him brought home to Australia and we have 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:19.200 engaged and advocated Australia's interests using all appropriate channels to 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:23.920 support a positive outcome, and I've done that since very 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.199 early on in my prime ministership. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.800 Coalition Politician said it was good that this saga was 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.319 finally coming to an end. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.520 We welcome that this saga has been brought to an 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.360 end after a very long period of time. We welcome 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.640 the guilty play which has allowed this deal to be reached. 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.240 Personally, and I think now is the time to move on. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:49.600 But obviously I wouldn't be making him into any great saint. Ultimately, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.840 he put lives at risk. No lives were lost, but 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.240 he did put lives at risk. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.840 Now, some Republicans today welcomed the Assige plea deal, but 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:03.000 former US Vice President Mike Pence said that Assigne endangered 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.720 the lives of our troops in a time of war 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.520 and should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.840 the law. He said, the Biden administration's plea deal with 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.880 Assange is a miscarriage of justice and dishonors the service 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.959 and sacrifice of the men and women of our armed 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.280 forces and their families. There should be no plea deals 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.760 to avoid prison for anyone that endangers the security of 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.520 our military or the national security of the United States. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.040 Ever well as usual in the US, this wasn't simply 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.120 a matter of the law or justice, but a question 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:38.360 of politics. 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:39.679 Now. 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.160 If you're wondering why this has moved politically in the 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.439 United States, it has become something of a course celebrity 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.120 for libertarians, and they are shaping up to be a 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.640 powerful vote at this election because both sides are losing 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.920 supporters in favor of RFK. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:13:01.040 Junior An RFK celebrated the news today, while libertarian journalist 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.680 Adam Crichton also said that Asian should be awarded for 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:09.200 services to the truth. It's a take I strongly disagree with, 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.800 although Adam will be expressing his view tonight on the show. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:18.199 This recasting of Assange as a truth telling hero is 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:23.920 a fantasy when the reality is that Assange is a complicated, dark, twisted, 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:28.560 and disturbed individual. As Michael Weiss wrote in The Atlantic 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.439 in twenty nineteen, in the end, the man who reportedly 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:37.520 smeared feces on the walls of his lodgings, mistreated his kitten, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.599 and variously blamed the ills of the world on feminists 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:46.160 and bespeckled Jewish writers was pulled from the Ecuadorian embassy, 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:51.559 looking every inch like a powdered sugar Saddam Hussein plucked 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:56.560 straight from his spider hole. Now while we all want 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.840 this saga to be over. Adam Crichton reports that Assange 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.280 may reveal further secrets once his plea deal is signed. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.559 So it seems this perverted megalomoniac with a victim mentality 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:14.160 will be free to unleash further anti Western propaganda and 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:21.840 mayhem onto the world. And both Alan Howe and Adam 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.640 Crichton will join me tonight on the show. To Alan Howe, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.200 Assigne is a winger. To Adam Crichton, he's a hero. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.080 They will debate this that's coming up. Also tonight, Clovermore 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:36.480 moves to boycott Israel linked companies from the city of Sydney. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.080 If this is the only thing that could have made 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.240 me dislike her more than I already did. But first, 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.160 now let's go to tonight's panel National ZMP Keith Pitt 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.400 and former Speaker of the House Bishop Welcome to you both. Look, 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.600 let's start with this news tonight of Labor Senator Fatima 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.880 Payment crossing the floor. Bronwin, what's your reaction to how 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.120 she has sided with the Greens and also Albanese's weakness 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:02.320 and not moving on. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.800 Her, Well, it just highlights the weakness she has defied 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:11.360 the Prime Minister on what three occasions, now with the 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:16.760 rivet of the Sea repetition and clearly in crossing the 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.640 floor toot with the Greens on this motion. Now, the 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.920 Labor Party people take a pledge, they take a pledge 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:26.720 that they will be bound by the collective decision of 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:31.480 the caucus. And that's why you have the perception that 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.080 it is around that if they cross the floor they'll 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:38.040 be expelled. If you look at the facts, people have 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:45.040 been suspended subsequently lose their pres election, not expelled. But 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.600 in this case, despite what Senator had to say today 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:54.720 about tokenism, she is a token senator and she's treated 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.600 like a token senator and the result of that is 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.400 to make the primary to look even weaker because it's 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.360 all about protecting the numbers in the seats where there 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.480 are large Muslim voters in Western Sydney. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.600 Well, she says she's not a token senator. She says 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.440 she's not confined. She'll stand up for what she believes in. 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.640 And Keith, that's fair enough. We have freedom of speech 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.720 in this country. But it has been a long time, 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.160 I think over twenty years since someone has crossed the 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.120 floor in the Labor Party. They do have rules around this, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.880 So could it now be a green light? Could it 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.640 now be a free for all for any Labor politician 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:35.840 to cross the floor. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.840 A sharing The Labor Party don't have just rules, it 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:44.520 is iron bound. They do not allow their people to 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.680 make their own decisions. In fact, even when they have 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.760 a ballot, they have their union overlords standing next to 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.040 them to make sure that they vote goes in the 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:56.240 correct way. So this is incredibly brave by Fatima. I 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.960 absolutely disagree with her completely and wholeheartedly. But on my 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.800 side of politics, shari obedience is not a learned skill. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.000 I mean, we welcome people having views. Of course we 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.600 want to see unity. If you remember the ministry, it's 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.240 a requirement under the Westminster system that you will support 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.480 the decision, but you get your sigh around the big table, 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.680 particular if you're in cabinet. But I think this is 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.600 a real problem for Anthony Albanezi. If he has lost 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:24.600 control of what is union managed and union run members 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.480 of Parliament, then that says everything about this Prime minister's 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.840 leadership and Bromin is exactly right. It demonstrates even further weakness. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:33.879 And let's see. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.520 What happens in the next few days. But I think 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.480 Fatima will find herself on the outside of the Labor 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:38.520 Party very very quickly. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.639 Yeah, all right, Well, I mean the problem is that 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.719 many in the Labor Party probably agree with her. There 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.359 might be others who are in bold and to cross 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.879 the flora as well. Bromb and Bishop. Let's turn to 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:54.240 the reaction to Juliana Sanche's release today, or at least 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.880 he's free from prison, expected to sign the plea deal. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:58.800 What do you think of what I've had to say 0:17:58.840 --> 0:17:59.879 about a Sanche? 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.280 Well, I agree with very much with much of what 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.480 you had to say. He's no hero to me, and 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.479 I've never had much sympathy for him. However, when I 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.479 see the way that the United States judicial system has 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.760 been corrupted, when we look at the Trump trial and 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.280 the way that Biden was treated differently on questions of 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:26.320 secret papers, I would not want to see him surrendered 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:31.880 into the jurisdiction of the United States without that plea deal, 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.960 because I just think that what the United States has 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:40.520 done with the way it has gone after Trump, has 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.919 shown that you cannot trust their system and be fearful 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.720 of it. So my attitude is he is no hero, 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.840 but I wouldn't surrender him to that system. Next thing 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:56.159 we've got to, however, contemplate, is where and what is 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.320 he going to do now? Is he going to turn 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.720 up on the ABC is or a host or whatever? 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.080 Is he going to be paraded and lorded? Is a 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.200 great hero of the left? Probably all of the above. 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.399 So we have a problem that is going to have 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.440 to be dealt with, and that's why it was important 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.280 that you gave all the detail tonight that you did, 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.280 because a lot of it is skimmed over. 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.199 Yeah, Keith Pitt, what do you think are you expecting 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.760 the Greens and others the ABC to celebrate Assange if 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.320 he does come to Australia. 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.000 I'm sure there'll be a great celebration by mister Assangeony's supporters, 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.159 But it's not a decision about his criminality. This is 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.400 simply about his Australian citizenship and what it stands for 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.760 for every Australian. I don't care whether it's mister Assange 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.680 or others. Fourteen years this matter should have been resolved 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.880 and I think that's the key point. But I've seen 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.040 your commentary and I know what you're sending your editorial 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.960 shower and you make some very very strong points and 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.440 to my mind, none of that has been determined, decided 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.959 or even seen as part of the outcome. But we 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:06.560 can't have Australian citizens who are locked up for indetermined 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.399 amounts of time, and the Australian government does have a 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.720 role to play to get those issues resolved. So yes, 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.560 I think there'll be a celebration by mister Sangres supporters, 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.719 but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's guilty or not guilty. 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.679 All right, well let's turn to Matt Keen. He's made 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.959 news this week. Of course, I'm Bronnan Bishop. I'm keen 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.439 to hear your view on this. Do you think he 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:29.400 was a traitor? 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:34.680 Yes, and good riddance to bad rubbish. I mean, this 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:39.400 is a man who was nobody who became a member 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:44.080 of parliament, became in powerful positions in a Liberal government. 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.040 He was there because he was put there by the 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:51.760 Liberal Party. He otherwise was a nobody. But as I've 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:58.040 said very often in his politics, Malcolm Turnbull was the 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:02.160 organ grinder, Matt King was the monkey, and so ALBINIZI 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.359 has appointed the monkey to the job. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.800 Very close relationship Turnbull and macan very close still see 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.280 whether Matt Kean tries to work for Turnbull in some capacity. 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.080 I think he probably will. I don't know this new 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:14.200 job pays all that much. 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:16.640 Well, we'll have to see whether it is or isn't 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.440 a conflict of interest, but probably Labor wouldn't care about that, Keith. 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.920 Not even the Greens welcomed Matt Kean's appointment today despite 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:29.720 the fact that his renewable energy targets, his emissions targets 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.000 are basically as high as the Greens. I mean, he's 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:37.960 supported a seventy percent emissions reduction target, Shari. 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:39.760 If it wasn't for the fact that it's unlawful and 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:41.200 on you, mister Kane was looking for a while and 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:42.840 or to pass the hat around to getting gone a 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.480 lot earlier that. 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:46.160 The other problem. 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.639 Here is all of the decisions that he's made previously 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.879 are now tainted on what basis were they made. It 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.719 was easily acting because at heart he's a true Labor believer, 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:00.960 and to have the Greens his appointment, well that says 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:03.879 a lot because it takes quite a lot of effort 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:06.320 for the Greens not to support an appointment like that, 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.520 and ultimately the people of New South Wales and Australia 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.080 are going to pay the price. He was one of 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.720 the ones who shut down expansion of the coal sector 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.880 in New South Wales, intermittent wind and solar zones which 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.959 are just devastating regional areas of New South Wales. And 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.720 you can't run this country on part time power, and 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:25.360 that is what mister Keane supports. 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.200 Yeah, just very very quickly, Branwyn, do you think he 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.159 should be expelled from the Liberal Party. He won't be. 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:32.960 I know he won't be. Do you think he should 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:34.679 be if. 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:37.480 It causes great drama and reflects away from the important 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.520 message that Peter Dutton is putting forward. I wouldn't be bothered, all. 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.200 Right, Fromwan Bishop Keith Pitt, thank you both very much 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:48.000 for your time. Now coming up, in another outrageous attempt 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.119 by a Clover Moore to stamp out common sense and 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:55.879 endorse racism, the City of Sydney moves to boycott Israeli products. 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:58.800 Shatow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson would join me to 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:03.320 discuss this and his reaction to Fatima payment crossing the floor. 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.840 Welcome back. Well, let's bring in shadow Home Affairs Minister 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:14.400 now James Patterson, James, good to see you. Look, let's 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.840 start with tonight's breaking news. The Albanesi government has said, 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.080 or the Prime Minister's office has said, that he's not 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:24.400 going to expel Fatima payment from the Labor Party, despite 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.720 her crossing the floor to support the Greens on their 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:32.320 motion to recognize a state of Palestine emotion that only 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:37.240 rewards her muss for the terrorism of October seven. But again, 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:41.640 this is Albanesi not exercising any authority over the party. 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:45.160 What's your reaction to firstly this Greens motion and also 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:46.760 the Prime Minister's response to it. 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:51.760 We'll Scharie. It was a typically divisive stunt by the 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.320 Greens which shouldn't have been entertained by any person of 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:58.399 goodwill towards the Israel Palestine issue, and it's extraordinary that 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:02.359 a Labor backbencher decided to vote for it. Make no mistake, 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.360 this is another very big test of the Prime Minister's 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:08.520 leadership and one that looks like he's set to fail. 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.680 This is a direct challenge to his authority as Labor leader, 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:14.360 and if he fails that, if there are no consequences 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:16.760 for senator payment, they're not just in your eyes and 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:18.359 my eyes will be a week will he be a 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:20.600 week prime Minister? But in the eyes of his own 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:24.719 caucus members, they'll understand the consequences for a Labor MP 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:27.000 or senator if they cross the floor. That's very clear. 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:29.520 No MP or senator has crossed the floor in a 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.840 Labor Prime minister for over thirty years, and the last 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:34.919 time they did so under Bob Hawk, there were serious 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.760 consequences for them. So if she can get away with this, 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:40.480 then every other Labor MP and senator will be thinking, well, 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.480 maybe I can get away with this in the future, 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.720 and his authority over the party will be completely shattered. 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:49.840 If it's not already. Let's return to today's top story, 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:55.159 Julian Assange walking free. This is now he's now flown 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:59.080 to a US Ireland where he's going to enter a 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.600 plea deal. We then don't have confirmation of his movements. 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:05.760 We expect he might return to Australia. Do you support 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:09.360 this outcome? Say? 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:13.119 I thought your editorial tonight was very compelling on this issue. Julian. No, 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:15.760 Sange is no hero, but it is a welcome thing 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.000 that this has finally come to an end. I noted 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.520 has come to an end because misters Sange has finally 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.280