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Speaker 1: Appoche production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle comments and in this episode I speak to Bondai Bratt,

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Speaker 2: an only Fans creator and social media personality.

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Speaker 3: The venue manager saw me. He's like, you're a bit

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Speaker 3: of a bitch. You'll be actually really good at this job.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to be a dance manager? So I

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Speaker 3: reached out to him and I'm like, you need to

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Speaker 3: pay for this. I need to get rid of this.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, so you might get a

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Speaker 3: visit from the police, but he was like, you're you're lying,

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Speaker 3: You're crazy. I want my money back. You robbed me

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Speaker 3: and then he started stalking me. You still sometimes get

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Speaker 3: nervous something. Then you start doing a job and you're fine,

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Speaker 3: Like you and I came in today, you were so nervous.

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Speaker 3: I had someone that wanted to do like a Star

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Speaker 3: Wars re enactment, and he liked me to put the

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Speaker 3: lightsaber in his mouth.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on. I stumbled across your social

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Speaker 2: media and I stumbled across more because I once I

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Speaker 2: was intrigued about it. I just thought, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I gotta have this person on my podcast, because you

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Speaker 2: know why, even though the line of the industry that

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Speaker 2: you're in. You're pretty funny on your social media with

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Speaker 2: what you put up about the industry and about what

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Speaker 2: you do, And I thought this could be a good podcast.

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Speaker 1: So did you do your homework on Only Fans too?

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Speaker 3: It sounded like you subscribe subscribe?

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Speaker 2: Okay. First of all, before we get into everything about

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Speaker 2: growing up before that, family wise, and how you got

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Speaker 2: to what you do. And now I want to ask

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Speaker 2: a question, where does Bondi Brat come from?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, do you know I've never lived in Bondai. I

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Speaker 3: fully just stole it. So here's the story, right, I

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Speaker 3: was living in belve Hill okay, so really close you

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Speaker 3: could say Bondi okay, but it was Belvy Hill and

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Speaker 3: I was making an only and I was like, I'm

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Speaker 3: a bit of a brat. So I was like, I'm

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Speaker 3: just going to like make a name, and bulvy Hill

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Speaker 3: Bratt just sounded shit. So I just was like, Bondai brat,

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Speaker 3: that's literally it. I've never lived there, and I always

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Speaker 3: get people like, I've never seen you there. I've been

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Speaker 3: a bond Die local my entirely, I've never seen it.

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Speaker 3: I've actually never lived there. Wow. But that's how it

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Speaker 3: came was just it was purely for only fans. And

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Speaker 3: then I kind of started making tiktoks every now and

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Speaker 3: then I started doing the first trap sort of stuff,

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Speaker 3: but just wasn't for me. I'd just like to yep, okay.

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Speaker 2: Well that's solved one problem for me. Yeah, okay, let's

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Speaker 2: get into it. Thank you for coming on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your time and I'm looking forward to this

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Speaker 2: interview with you. Tell me about you growing up as

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Speaker 2: a kid, family wise, brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I grew up in southeastern suburbs in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you're a Melbourne girl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I grew up there. I moved here seven

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Speaker 3: years ago.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Berwick, a suburb called Berwick with

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Speaker 3: my mom, my dad, my brother who's two years older

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Speaker 3: than me, and I just had a very normal upbringing

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Speaker 3: sort of thing. And then, like that age old tailor,

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Speaker 3: your parents get divorced and you kin'd of just go

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Speaker 1: Me and my brother both did.

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Speaker 3: I dropped out of school very young, so I tried

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Speaker 3: to finish your tenantsafe I did. I got a year

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Speaker 3: I started working in nightclubs and things when I was

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Speaker 3: around seventeen years old. Your first job, My first job

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Speaker 1: But that's when I was like fourteen.

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Speaker 3: I just worked my way up in like random little

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Speaker 3: working in nightclubs when I was like seventeen, and that's

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Speaker 3: what I got a first taste for that sort of world.

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Speaker 2: But what made you go through the nightclib scene? What

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Speaker 1: Well, honestly, I was a bit of a troubled teen.

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Speaker 1: I was kicked out of home.

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Speaker 3: I was partying a lot, I was doing a lot

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Speaker 2: What is it with girls who do that when they

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Speaker 1: Do we really feel like it's the girl going for the.

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Speaker 3: Guy or the guy going the girl going for the guy.

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Speaker 2: Babe, the girl going for the guy.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would.

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Speaker 3: Say it's an opportunistic man and a very confused young girl.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen's a baby.

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Speaker 2: I know, but why not on your own age?

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel like for me, I was wasn't because he.

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Speaker 2: Had the card, he had the go out? Was it?

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Speaker 2: You didn't want to hang around? There were two immature No.

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Speaker 3: No, I was just in around the areas I shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be around and acting a lot older than I was.

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Speaker 3: Like a lot of girls and guys would say I'm

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Speaker 3: older people, when in reality they're kids, and I'd simply

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Speaker 3: just need somewhere to live. So I was kind of

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Speaker 3: like survival as well. I was talking to this guys

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Speaker 3: kicked out of home and he said, if you're my girlfriend,

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Speaker 3: you can live with me, And I was like, so

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Speaker 3: it's an opportunity for him, yes, well yeah, And I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Get as soon as you told, like, as

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Speaker 2: soon as you said to him that you're looking for

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Speaker 2: the place to live Bank.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So when did you start to kind of creep

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Speaker 3: So how I got like kind of came into the

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Speaker 3: sex industry. When I was about nineteen, I started I

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Speaker 3: started doing reception at Goldfingers Gentlemen Club in King Street

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Speaker 3: and I wasn't doing anything more than that, just letting

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Speaker 3: the venue manager saw me, He's like, you're a bit

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Speaker 3: Do you want to be a dance manager? And I said,

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Speaker 3: the shows. And I kind of just like dove in

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Speaker 3: so I just had to be like an absolute rule sticker,

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Speaker 3: And I hadn't done any actual sex work, so that's

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Speaker 3: bartender or something. I'm looking for a job. I was

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Speaker 3: she's like, there's this place in Melbourne where it's naked massage.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to do anything sexual. There's no happy ending,

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Speaker 3: there's no genital touching, no kissing, but you can make

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Speaker 3: tell me more. So the next week I went in

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Speaker 3: touch and that would get you to about three hundred

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Speaker 3: to four hundred dollars an hour of that, no finishing,

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Speaker 3: and if they did finish, they'd get fined and kicked out.

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Speaker 3: So it was crazy, all right, and I just started

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Speaker 2: I left what you're doing to do that.

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Speaker 3: No, I was working in an office job. I was

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Speaker 3: working in construction as a high.

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Speaker 2: So again, you were doing war.

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Speaker 1: So I always worked.

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Speaker 2: You were working in construction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in an office. No, I worked for you know,

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Speaker 3: worked for a company there in that sort of field

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I would send out all the Earth movie equipment

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Speaker 3: the radar. Yeah Jesus. So I was doing that Monday

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Speaker 3: No one knew about Saturday and Sunday. And I did

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Speaker 3: that up until I went over to Europe and traveled

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you get you gave up working it in

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Speaker 3: I actually got fired from working in the strip club

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Speaker 3: because I it's actually not linked, but I became addicted

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Speaker 3: to ice. Yeah, so while I was working there, it

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Speaker 3: wasn't affiliated, but they caught on and I started like

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Speaker 3: losing myself to it and they fired me. Actually, one

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Speaker 3: of the girls made up a rumor that I robbed

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Speaker 3: them and then I stole the money.

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Speaker 1: So that was like this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: So would you say that you got onto that because

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Speaker 2: of the industry or from.

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Speaker 3: Nine No, neither. You just toletally separate so you just

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Speaker 3: started to rand No, not randomly. A family member of

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Speaker 3: mine was addicted to ice and they introduced it to me.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah, I would have been eighteen the first time

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Speaker 3: I did it, and then I was kind of just

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Speaker 3: doing it every weekend. No, just like with these I

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Speaker 3: would always be around these older guys, Babe, like.

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Speaker 2: You're an older guys.

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Speaker 3: It's not. I feel like it's the other way around.

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Speaker 3: It's these older guys around younger girls. Wow. But I

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Speaker 3: You don't really see like a light out when you're

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Speaker 3: I believe him. Yeah, it's like this weird sort.

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Speaker 1: I was scared he'd kill himself actually.

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Speaker 2: But he's beaten you to the point where he's nearly

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Speaker 3: it's just not rational. You've kind of been like a

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, when was the first time he beat you on?

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Speaker 3: I can't remember the first time he beat me. It's

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Speaker 3: So I was always like, when he doesn't do the

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Speaker 3: that does wear on you because they also ensure they

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Speaker 2: But then you said you went to two alcohol?

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Speaker 2: That because you would you didn't want to go back

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Speaker 2: on that? You thought this was this was another way

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Speaker 2: What was the reason though?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's like an age old Taylor was

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Speaker 1: Most people do this. It's very common.

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Speaker 3: You get off one thing, you swap it with something

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Speaker 3: Getting off ice was like the main goal. So I

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Speaker 3: I'd freak out all sorts of things. But that was

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So when I had enough of it and I was like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was like I don't know how to

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Speaker 2: You've come to Sydney and you think it's no different.

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Speaker 1: Ohay, I don't know anyone here, know anybody.

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Speaker 2: You've been here for how long?

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Speaker 3: I did when I when I first when I first

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Speaker 1: So that was like it was almost it was very are.

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Speaker 2: You more switched on now then, So you're telling me

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say that they're taking advantage of me though,

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Speaker 3: Like at that point.

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Speaker 2: I was wanting to know what males I like in

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Speaker 2: fuck it around there?

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Speaker 3: So now you agree that it is, especially in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: I have a full circle. Yeah, definitely, Like, of course

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Speaker 3: I've been taken advantage of, but I was also looking

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Speaker 3: isn't the answer your question? No, No one could get

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Speaker 2: Now, all right, let's let's go back to your new

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Speaker 2: job as a massage.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back. So here's the tea and how this happened.

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Speaker 3: So I jumped in a bus and I came to Sydney.

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Speaker 3: I got my pushbike, I got a couple of bags

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Speaker 3: I came up here and I was like, I'm just

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Speaker 3: like I can't do this anymore, so I just applied.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I'll just start doing naked massage again,

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Speaker 3: thinking that, yeah, thinking that it's going to be the

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Speaker 3: same as Melbourne, the same brothel license is like just

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Speaker 2: When you first came here, what did you do?

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Speaker 3: I went to massage parlors first, Yeah, because sex work

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Speaker 3: here is dec from a whereas in Melbourne it's different laws.

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Speaker 3: Every state's got different laws around it, but here it's

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Speaker 3: I kind of threw myself in the deep end and

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Speaker 3: got into that, tried a few different establishments. Honestly, the

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Speaker 3: and it was just what I was doing. I didn't

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Speaker 2: How hard is it for you to get a clientele

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Speaker 2: who comes in like you're probably out of nicety nine

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Speaker 2: percent of the people who come in, you're not attracted

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Speaker 2: to them in any way, but you know that you've

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Speaker 2: got to earn your money by giving them a massage.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not about attraction, You're just doing your job.

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Speaker 2: I you could get someone in who's fucking got hairs

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Speaker 2: all over his fucking body and you just don't want

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Speaker 2: to touch him. But the thing is you're looking at Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's a job, like you just said, But I couldn't

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Speaker 2: do it. There's no way, in a word, I could.

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Speaker 2: I could massage somebody that I can't like full of hairs,

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Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. Wait, so how would how.

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Speaker 1: Might you shave your legs?

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Speaker 3: I've got no hair, so of course you don't like hair.

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Speaker 3: Some feels love the hair. Get our nails in there

439
00:19:19,761 --> 00:19:22,321
Speaker 3: and hold on to a handle. Really, yeah, there's a

440
00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 3: literal ever resource for babe. I don't really have like

441
00:19:25,001 --> 00:19:28,281
Speaker 3: a prerequisite on what someone looks like. I'm just massive

442
00:19:28,281 --> 00:19:31,721
Speaker 3: on hygiene. Like hygiene I've noticed on your social hygiene

443
00:19:31,761 --> 00:19:33,920
Speaker 3: is what will make me kick off. If you're like

444
00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:36,521
Speaker 3: not the best looking person, or I'm there to do

445
00:19:36,561 --> 00:19:39,720
Speaker 3: a job, that's fine, you're paying me. I love performing

446
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 3: in the in the space, so it's sometimes it is

447
00:19:42,001 --> 00:19:45,041
Speaker 3: less about they're about their like satisfaction, but also I

448
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 3: like to perform, you know, so I'm showing off for

449
00:19:47,921 --> 00:19:49,440
Speaker 3: someone that probably is not been in the room with

450
00:19:49,441 --> 00:19:52,281
Speaker 3: someone like me before. It's fun time. How they look

451
00:19:52,321 --> 00:19:54,081
Speaker 3: and that sort of stuff. It's really like, as long

452
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,041
Speaker 3: as they've got the money and their hygienic I'm I'm

453
00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 3: so fine. Obviously having a something that you're attracted to

454
00:20:01,961 --> 00:20:04,881
Speaker 3: is it's like a bonus. We call them like hot clients.

455
00:20:05,281 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 3: They're hot for a client, probably not in your day

456
00:20:07,321 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 3: to day life, but they're like good looking for a client.

457
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,681
Speaker 3: That's like a fun time. Sometimes. When I first started

458
00:20:12,681 --> 00:20:14,681
Speaker 3: in the industry, I did not like getting good looking people.

459
00:20:14,721 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 3: They'd make me nervous. So I was like the uglier,

460
00:20:17,481 --> 00:20:18,401
Speaker 3: the better per se.

461
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,281
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, why is that?

462
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, Just to intimidated, I think so, yeah.

463
00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:25,521
Speaker 2: I think you would intimidate people.

464
00:20:25,961 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 3: I think i'd intimidate people, but I would also like

465
00:20:28,721 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 3: it goes both ways, especially when you first start doing it, like,

466
00:20:32,001 --> 00:20:34,881
Speaker 3: but you look like someone who's got confidence definitely. So

467
00:20:34,921 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 3: when I think about, however, when I first started in

468
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 3: the industry, and like what I was coming from was

469
00:20:38,441 --> 00:20:41,241
Speaker 3: a very different world. I was very behind the scenes,

470
00:20:41,681 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 3: I would say, a bit more of a shell of

471
00:20:42,921 --> 00:20:44,561
Speaker 3: the woman than I am now. I'm a confidence wise

472
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,521
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing, assertiveness and everything like that.

473
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 3: So you're in a room with people, you still sometimes

474
00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 3: get nervous. Sometimes you get excitable, nervy like whatever, and

475
00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 3: then you start doing a job and you're fine. Like

476
00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 3: you when I came in today, you were so nervous,

477
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,001
Speaker 3: But this is your job.

478
00:21:04,201 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 2: I know this was a job. Yeah, but as I

479
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,481
Speaker 2: said to you walked in, you've got an intimidation about you,

480
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. That's anyway back to me,

481
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,241
Speaker 2: how long did you do the massage for them?

482
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,721
Speaker 3: So I did massage up until COVID, and I honestly

483
00:21:20,801 --> 00:21:22,761
Speaker 3: don't know if I would have ever done private had

484
00:21:22,761 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 3: COVID not here, because there is like a little bit

485
00:21:24,921 --> 00:21:28,241
Speaker 3: of Stockholm syndrome in those environments. The house moms don't

486
00:21:28,241 --> 00:21:31,561
Speaker 3: want you to leave, and you get accustomized to it.

487
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 3: Like is nice to work in an establishment. There's other

488
00:21:33,761 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 3: girls around going somewhere for work. It's a bit of camaraderie.

489
00:21:37,441 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 3: It's a very isolating job, and I quite liked working establishment.

490
00:21:40,961 --> 00:21:43,241
Speaker 3: I would say I respected my money more because it

491
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 3: was hard to work and I really enjoyed it.

492
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: And I love giving massages.

493
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 3: It's fun because you know how you're saying before, like

494
00:21:50,441 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 3: how do you like give a massage? If you're not attracted.

495
00:21:53,001 --> 00:21:56,321
Speaker 3: When you're giving the actual massage, you do tend to

496
00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:59,521
Speaker 3: connect body to body, and like when you're face down

497
00:21:59,561 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 3: receiving the massage, after a while, you relax, and when

498
00:22:02,721 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 3: someone starts relaxing, I start relaxing. Yeah. Energy is kind

499
00:22:05,681 --> 00:22:08,521
Speaker 3: of like combined and it makes for a more organic

500
00:22:08,561 --> 00:22:11,441
Speaker 3: experience and I really enjoy it, whereas in private there's

501
00:22:11,481 --> 00:22:13,801
Speaker 3: a lot less of that really straight into it.

502
00:22:14,561 --> 00:22:16,641
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, okay.

503
00:22:16,281 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I really love the massage aspect of that.

504
00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:21,121
Speaker 3: I'd work in establishment all the time if I could

505
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,241
Speaker 3: charge how much I could charge privately? I started a

506
00:22:25,321 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: thousand you started?

507
00:22:27,321 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 2: Is that for a message?

508
00:22:28,801 --> 00:22:31,561
Speaker 3: No, that's for like full service, a thousand dollars an hour.

509
00:22:31,561 --> 00:22:34,761
Speaker 3: I'm upping my rates, so you're right now, Yeah.

510
00:22:34,721 --> 00:22:35,721
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to being on it.

511
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,321
Speaker 1: Up with my rates?

512
00:22:40,321 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 2: What are you putting your rates to?

513
00:22:41,801 --> 00:22:43,401
Speaker 3: I just want to change it a little bit. I'm

514
00:22:43,441 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 3: just like you know, the hygiene situation for me is

515
00:22:46,721 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 3: just everything. I just don't know why men don't know

516
00:22:49,521 --> 00:22:52,801
Speaker 3: how to wash their asses. Explain that to me, Say again,

517
00:22:52,961 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: why men don't wash?

518
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 2: What are you doing with the uses you play? You

519
00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,561
Speaker 2: should wash it, babe, But you're not putting anything in it.

520
00:22:59,561 --> 00:23:00,281
Speaker 3: It wafts.

521
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but you're not putting you know if they

522
00:23:03,481 --> 00:23:07,041
Speaker 2: want to, well, it's because you know what, We're going

523
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,641
Speaker 2: to go down to questions here, because because you've brought

524
00:23:09,721 --> 00:23:12,321
Speaker 2: up You've brought up the ass bit, and everybody who's

525
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: been on my show from your industry has got something

526
00:23:16,281 --> 00:23:16,561
Speaker 2: to do.

527
00:23:16,801 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: Wouldn't like to talk about ask, haven't you?

528
00:23:18,681 --> 00:23:18,841
Speaker 3: No?

529
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,801
Speaker 2: I don't, but it gets brought up every time I

530
00:23:20,801 --> 00:23:23,921
Speaker 2: have someone on my on my podcast from this industry fisting.

531
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:29,521
Speaker 2: Oh okay, please tell me you don't do fisting. Please

532
00:23:29,561 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 2: tell me, because every other person in the industry has

533
00:23:32,721 --> 00:23:34,761
Speaker 2: come on and says I do fisting.

534
00:23:35,481 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 3: I've actually never had my first fist. I am a

535
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 3: fisting vision.

536
00:23:41,001 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's a fist on my podcast. That's an exclusive.

537
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 3: So I never fisted somebody. But if I got a

538
00:23:46,921 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 3: bunch of my gay friends in here, they could tell

539
00:23:49,201 --> 00:23:53,521
Speaker 3: you all about it. They be very mighty graphing. Wow.

540
00:23:53,721 --> 00:23:56,761
Speaker 2: So no one's our client's never asked for anything like that. No,

541
00:23:57,001 --> 00:23:59,521
Speaker 2: and from you to give them more for them, for you.

542
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: I think I would pass on the fisting for me.

543
00:24:02,561 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 3: I think that's for me. I would do it to

544
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:10,161
Speaker 3: somebody hundred percent, but I haven't yet had that big hands.

545
00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: Anyway about you fisting ver?

546
00:24:14,281 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 2: No, definitely, definitely no fisting and going. Nothing is going to.

547
00:24:17,921 --> 00:24:18,761
Speaker 3: My aus.

548
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: Ever, No, no, no, thank you, no, no, anyways, let's

549
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:31,041
Speaker 2: move on. I have the questions. Okay, So what made

550
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: you want to do full service?

551
00:24:33,201 --> 00:24:36,241
Speaker 1: It was just like better logistically, better money.

552
00:24:36,521 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, lets work as well, because when you're doing like

553
00:24:39,441 --> 00:24:41,441
Speaker 3: the massage and you're doing like a hand job after

554
00:24:41,481 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 3: a while, like sex is sometimes easier really, and it

555
00:24:44,921 --> 00:24:48,321
Speaker 3: was just like an obvious evolution in the job, more money,

556
00:24:48,761 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 3: it was more free in the bookings, and it just

557
00:24:51,681 --> 00:24:52,241
Speaker 3: made sense.

558
00:24:52,761 --> 00:24:54,441
Speaker 2: So are you doing it privately now?

559
00:24:54,801 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I was doing establishments and then when COVID here.

560
00:24:58,681 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: That's when I went private, and that first year I

561
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,921
Speaker 3: really wasn't working much because of all that lockdown sort

562
00:25:02,921 --> 00:25:06,001
Speaker 3: of stuff. It was very minimal stuff. But I've done

563
00:25:06,001 --> 00:25:06,761
Speaker 3: it ever since then.

564
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,321
Speaker 2: Looking back, Now, are you glad you've gone private and

565
00:25:09,481 --> 00:25:10,641
Speaker 2: working in establishments? Now?

566
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:11,281
Speaker 3: Yeah?

567
00:25:11,441 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: Don't when you say private, is it your own establishment?

568
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: So there's in call and out call.

569
00:25:16,961 --> 00:25:19,161
Speaker 3: In call they come to me where I've got a

570
00:25:19,721 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: place like a residence to do it all, or I

571
00:25:22,201 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: get a hotel, depending on how long the booking is.

572
00:25:24,321 --> 00:25:25,441
Speaker 3: And out call I go to them.

573
00:25:25,681 --> 00:25:29,201
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a thousand dollars that's going out. Oh

574
00:25:29,241 --> 00:25:31,281
Speaker 2: you did say that said? What did you say? What

575
00:25:31,281 --> 00:25:32,561
Speaker 2: the price was? It was going up to you? You haven't

576
00:25:32,561 --> 00:25:32,961
Speaker 2: thought about it?

577
00:25:32,961 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: I think twelve hundred, twelve hundred, but yeah, around one

578
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,961
Speaker 3: thousand my hourly rates on thousand dollars for the first tier.

579
00:25:39,001 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: I've got a four tier booking system.

580
00:25:40,721 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: Okay, what clients? What clients don't you like?

581
00:25:44,521 --> 00:25:45,201
Speaker 3: Stinky ones?

582
00:25:45,681 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: Describe Describe a stinky Describe someone who's stinking.

583
00:25:49,001 --> 00:25:51,521
Speaker 3: Well, I do think that there is like this besides.

584
00:25:51,241 --> 00:25:54,041
Speaker 2: The ass ship that you've just brought up. Describe something

585
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:54,961
Speaker 2: that's would put you.

586
00:25:54,921 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: Off bad teeth hygiene, penis hygiene, ass hygiene, arm pits,

587
00:26:00,921 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: just like simply scrubbing your skin like people smells sweat.

588
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: There is like this epidemic almost of men that enjoy

589
00:26:10,441 --> 00:26:13,041
Speaker 3: being stinky. For women, it's like they want to piss

590
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: us off or a way of disrespecting us. But it's

591
00:26:15,241 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 3: a real thing. They'll go in the shower and the

592
00:26:16,761 --> 00:26:19,361
Speaker 3: just stand there and they'll come out, and a lot

593
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: of girls, see with me, I'm pretty cutthroat with a

594
00:26:21,721 --> 00:26:24,001
Speaker 3: lot of girls will endure it. They'll be like they'll

595
00:26:24,001 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: feel embarrassed, they'll feel rude, they'll feel intimidated or even

596
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,561
Speaker 3: scared to say, could you please go back in the

597
00:26:29,561 --> 00:26:33,001
Speaker 3: shower and wash yourself? Whereas I will be like, get

598
00:26:33,041 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 3: back in the shower. One client, I had to do

599
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: it three times over and it was just like at

600
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,281
Speaker 3: that point, I was just pissed off.

601
00:26:38,321 --> 00:26:39,841
Speaker 2: I might get the shits. He didn't get the shit.

602
00:26:39,921 --> 00:26:41,161
Speaker 2: So you just basically can.

603
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:41,681
Speaker 3: I got the shit?

604
00:26:41,801 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: I know? But would he get the shits? Because you'll

605
00:26:43,281 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: keep telling them to go back in.

606
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: Don't care, babe, don't how to wash your cock.

607
00:26:46,961 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: But like if you're getting.

608
00:26:48,561 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: The shits because you have to go back. That's fine,

609
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:51,761
Speaker 1: but like you should just be able to wash yourself.

610
00:26:51,761 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, I understand that. But what I'm saying is

611
00:26:53,481 --> 00:26:55,441
Speaker 2: some guys would just lose it by going like they've

612
00:26:55,441 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: got attitudes and go like, who the fuck are you

613
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: talking to? Like, what's the problem I'm paying for you?

614
00:26:58,681 --> 00:26:59,561
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to say.

615
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't care. It's not really like a normal

616
00:27:01,441 --> 00:27:04,401
Speaker 3: customer service relationship. This then the customer is not always right.

617
00:27:04,441 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: And if you can't in your body, I have like

618
00:27:06,681 --> 00:27:09,281
Speaker 3: baseline respect for somebody that's putting that body in my

619
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: mouth or around me, then I don't care. If you're

620
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 3: pissed off me, I won't see you again. Like I

621
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,761
Speaker 3: don't mind. And that's why the higher the rate, the

622
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: less those sorts of clients you encounter, because you get

623
00:27:20,001 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: the more you charge, the better clientile you get.

624
00:27:24,321 --> 00:27:26,521
Speaker 2: What is the age usually of your average age for

625
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,641
Speaker 2: your clientele.

626
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,481
Speaker 3: Since I turned thirty three?

627
00:27:29,201 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, you don't fucking look it like, I know

628
00:27:32,961 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 2: I should have worked out when you were talking about

629
00:27:34,481 --> 00:27:36,121
Speaker 2: black and melt, but I've just I thought I looked

630
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,001
Speaker 2: at you then go like twenty seven maybe.

631
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,961
Speaker 3: Twenty six say wow, yeah, okay, So I'm actually in

632
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: like milfy age. Like I'm getting a lot of twenty

633
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,921
Speaker 3: to twenty five year old clients lately, which is interesting.

634
00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:51,761
Speaker 3: When I first started in my later twenties, a lot

635
00:27:51,801 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: of like forty to fifty, and now it's kind of

636
00:27:54,481 --> 00:27:56,721
Speaker 3: switched a little bit, like twenty to twenty five.

637
00:27:56,961 --> 00:27:59,121
Speaker 2: You would have got the older, the like the maybe

638
00:27:59,201 --> 00:28:00,161
Speaker 2: the forty fifties.

639
00:28:00,241 --> 00:28:02,561
Speaker 3: Well, I get both, I get both, but like I've

640
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,201
Speaker 3: just recently started getting an influx of twenty something year olds,

641
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,881
Speaker 3: which is interesting, very interesting.

642
00:28:09,481 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: Do they last.

643
00:28:14,321 --> 00:28:14,801
Speaker 2: Minute mark?

644
00:28:16,961 --> 00:28:20,721
Speaker 3: No, they last longer than five minutes? Yeah, I think most. Actually,

645
00:28:20,761 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: the truth is a lot of these younger guys have

646
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: a porn addiction, so some of them don't even come.

647
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: They can't do it because they're constantly masturbating and watching

648
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: porn all the time.

649
00:28:29,481 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: Really, what would you do, like, because you're doing it

650
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,521
Speaker 2: privately yourself, and say, for instance, a client does get

651
00:28:37,961 --> 00:28:41,601
Speaker 2: a bit violent, Tom, how would you get how'd you

652
00:28:41,601 --> 00:28:42,281
Speaker 2: get them to leave?

653
00:28:42,761 --> 00:28:45,481
Speaker 3: Well? Touch would I've never been in a position where

654
00:28:45,521 --> 00:28:49,841
Speaker 3: someone's gotten violence. I have had to de escalate situations.

655
00:28:50,161 --> 00:28:53,921
Speaker 3: You're constantly like on, so I can be like hosting

656
00:28:53,961 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: you and seducing you and all that sort of stuff,

657
00:28:56,441 --> 00:28:59,841
Speaker 3: but I'm also watching your mannerisms and things like that.

658
00:28:59,921 --> 00:29:01,281
Speaker 3: So like you said, when you're like, what if he

659
00:29:01,281 --> 00:29:02,641
Speaker 3: gets annoyed that he has to go back in the

660
00:29:02,641 --> 00:29:04,961
Speaker 3: shower and sort of thing, I'm not rude and outwardly

661
00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:07,361
Speaker 3: aggressive like get in the shower, Like you have to

662
00:29:07,401 --> 00:29:09,921
Speaker 3: sort of be like somewhat nurturing when you're saying it,

663
00:29:10,201 --> 00:29:12,081
Speaker 3: because you're always like hyper aware that I'm in a

664
00:29:12,161 --> 00:29:15,241
Speaker 3: room with a man, like that's the reality, and if

665
00:29:15,281 --> 00:29:17,921
Speaker 3: push comes to shove, that man is stronger than me.

666
00:29:18,601 --> 00:29:21,081
Speaker 3: So that's always a reality in every single working girl's head.

667
00:29:21,081 --> 00:29:23,281
Speaker 3: So we're already on it. A lot of girls and

668
00:29:23,321 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: myself included, have security. So if I go somewhere, I've

669
00:29:26,001 --> 00:29:28,481
Speaker 3: got a driver, Oh okay, so he'll drive me instead

670
00:29:28,481 --> 00:29:31,481
Speaker 3: out the front okay, and my location shared.

671
00:29:31,241 --> 00:29:33,841
Speaker 2: With that, So with types of security. So you're working

672
00:29:33,841 --> 00:29:36,321
Speaker 2: for a company or they work for me. Oh so

673
00:29:36,361 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: you're just bringing them into it to drive you around. Okay.

674
00:29:39,001 --> 00:29:41,121
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've never been in a position where people

675
00:29:41,121 --> 00:29:43,081
Speaker 3: gone arm but I also avoid them, like I've got

676
00:29:43,121 --> 00:29:45,801
Speaker 3: a pretty strict security check. I won't see anyone unless

677
00:29:45,801 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: they send me a driver's license along with a photo

678
00:29:48,001 --> 00:29:50,961
Speaker 3: of them doing like a little whatever thing I say,

679
00:29:51,601 --> 00:29:54,601
Speaker 3: and a bank transfer, so they're already quite locked in

680
00:29:54,681 --> 00:29:57,081
Speaker 3: if they were going to do something to me, either

681
00:29:57,081 --> 00:29:59,161
Speaker 3: they're going to do it anyway because they clearly don't care,

682
00:29:59,281 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: or they're a little bit more cautious. And anyone that says, oh,

683
00:30:02,561 --> 00:30:04,561
Speaker 3: I can't send you my license or you know, I've

684
00:30:04,561 --> 00:30:07,681
Speaker 3: got a hype profile privacy, I just won't see them.

685
00:30:07,721 --> 00:30:10,161
Speaker 3: It's that simple. So that already gets through of a

686
00:30:10,161 --> 00:30:13,521
Speaker 3: lot of people. And then I avoid party bookings. I

687
00:30:13,521 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: don't do any jobs that have cocaine involved. If I

688
00:30:17,281 --> 00:30:19,561
Speaker 3: was by myself, definitely not because I can get people

689
00:30:19,641 --> 00:30:25,041
Speaker 3: a bit twisted too, So I'm pretty safe and confident

690
00:30:25,081 --> 00:30:26,641
Speaker 3: and I have a good read on people too. Like

691
00:30:26,721 --> 00:30:28,761
Speaker 3: if I got someone that came into my space and

692
00:30:28,801 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm not sure, i'd say I

693
00:30:31,961 --> 00:30:34,801
Speaker 3: feel sick, like can I refund you? Yeah. I've had

694
00:30:34,881 --> 00:30:38,921
Speaker 3: one client before where he was we were in missionary and

695
00:30:39,161 --> 00:30:41,921
Speaker 3: I just had a weird feeling and I actually was

696
00:30:41,961 --> 00:30:44,281
Speaker 3: holding my stiletto like at the side of his kidney,

697
00:30:44,721 --> 00:30:47,121
Speaker 3: just like right there, like not on him. So if

698
00:30:47,401 --> 00:30:51,401
Speaker 3: by chance something crazy happened, I would just what gave

699
00:30:51,401 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: you that feeling?

700
00:30:52,321 --> 00:30:53,361
Speaker 1: Just an intuitive feeling.

701
00:30:54,201 --> 00:30:57,041
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, let's get let's have a bit of fun

702
00:30:57,081 --> 00:30:59,681
Speaker 2: before we get into more serious TEMs. Okay, okay, what's

703
00:30:59,681 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: your favorite position?

704
00:31:05,121 --> 00:31:07,201
Speaker 1: I should know when I was coming onto a male podcast.

705
00:31:07,721 --> 00:31:10,881
Speaker 2: Well, the things you're gonna get asked, that's why is

706
00:31:10,961 --> 00:31:11,561
Speaker 2: that to you? Do you want?

707
00:31:12,041 --> 00:31:14,481
Speaker 3: Honestly, when I'm working, I like to be on top.

708
00:31:14,641 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the difference when you're not working?

709
00:31:16,561 --> 00:31:20,881
Speaker 3: I relax a bit. I genuinely put myself in positions

710
00:31:20,881 --> 00:31:22,801
Speaker 3: where I'm in charge.

711
00:31:23,521 --> 00:31:24,401
Speaker 2: In control. Yeah.

712
00:31:25,241 --> 00:31:25,521
Speaker 3: Yeah.

713
00:31:25,641 --> 00:31:26,601
Speaker 2: Have you been a stalker?

714
00:31:27,441 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: Yes? I have. So that was like probably if you

715
00:31:31,521 --> 00:31:34,881
Speaker 3: were to say, like, what's the worst experience that you've had, Like,

716
00:31:35,001 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: I had a stalker, So I had a client that

717
00:31:36,921 --> 00:31:42,841
Speaker 3: stealthed me. So stealthing's a tear of rape and sexual assault.

718
00:31:42,841 --> 00:31:45,841
Speaker 3: It's where you're having sex with somebody consensually with a

719
00:31:45,881 --> 00:31:49,281
Speaker 3: condom and then you unconsensually remove the condom and continue

720
00:31:49,281 --> 00:31:49,881
Speaker 3: having sex.

721
00:31:50,281 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: He did that?

722
00:31:51,081 --> 00:31:54,961
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that is classified now in New South Wales's rape.

723
00:31:55,001 --> 00:31:57,361
Speaker 3: So you can get charged for it when it happened,

724
00:31:57,361 --> 00:31:59,601
Speaker 3: it was a little bit of a gray area, but

725
00:31:59,681 --> 00:32:00,161
Speaker 3: he did.

726
00:32:00,041 --> 00:32:03,281
Speaker 1: That to me, and he actually got me pregnant no way.

727
00:32:03,601 --> 00:32:08,241
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was like a really scary time. And

728
00:32:08,561 --> 00:32:12,761
Speaker 3: because it happened in King's Cross District, but I moved

729
00:32:12,881 --> 00:32:16,801
Speaker 3: when he started talking to me. It was two different jurisdictions,

730
00:32:17,521 --> 00:32:20,001
Speaker 3: so they couldn't link them. So I put in the

731
00:32:20,081 --> 00:32:23,881
Speaker 3: charge for the assault because after he sealthed me, I

732
00:32:23,961 --> 00:32:26,121
Speaker 3: just pretended like it didn't happen. I just was like,

733
00:32:26,641 --> 00:32:28,281
Speaker 3: I can't deal with this. I had a broken leg

734
00:32:28,321 --> 00:32:30,601
Speaker 3: at the time. He was a long term client and

735
00:32:30,641 --> 00:32:32,241
Speaker 3: I'd just broken my leg, and he's like, can I

736
00:32:32,281 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: come over and help you out with some things? And

737
00:32:34,001 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: I was very trusting and naive. I was a baby

738
00:32:36,001 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: in the industry. I thought he was going to come

739
00:32:38,201 --> 00:32:40,281
Speaker 3: and bring me like groceries and some money or whatever.

740
00:32:40,441 --> 00:32:43,321
Speaker 3: I got. I read it so wrong. Anyway, he ended

741
00:32:43,401 --> 00:32:45,441
Speaker 3: up like being like, let's do a booking.

742
00:32:45,681 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: He said okay, and we did it.

743
00:32:48,601 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: He ripped the condom off, kept going and then I

744
00:32:52,161 --> 00:32:55,241
Speaker 3: just was like get the fuck out, washed the sheets,

745
00:32:55,361 --> 00:32:56,961
Speaker 3: and just kind of like couldn't deal with it. So

746
00:32:56,961 --> 00:32:58,761
Speaker 3: it just broken my leg I had to move houses

747
00:32:58,761 --> 00:33:01,881
Speaker 3: in two days, just put it to the side, and

748
00:33:01,921 --> 00:33:03,801
Speaker 3: then it was like four weeks later, I got like

749
00:33:04,041 --> 00:33:07,081
Speaker 3: violently sick. So anyway, I ended up having to go

750
00:33:07,121 --> 00:33:09,041
Speaker 3: to the hospital because it was like a demon was

751
00:33:09,081 --> 00:33:13,041
Speaker 3: inside me. Just They're like, oh, you're pregnant. And then

752
00:33:13,081 --> 00:33:14,801
Speaker 3: it kind of all came back and I was like shit.

753
00:33:14,881 --> 00:33:17,441
Speaker 3: This was during COVID, so all my family was in Melbourne,

754
00:33:17,561 --> 00:33:20,081
Speaker 3: no one was working. I was like, fuck, what do

755
00:33:20,161 --> 00:33:22,241
Speaker 3: I do? So I reached out to him and I'm like, Hi,

756
00:33:22,681 --> 00:33:23,881
Speaker 3: you need to pay for this. I need to get

757
00:33:23,961 --> 00:33:25,761
Speaker 3: rid of this. And He's like sent me the money

758
00:33:26,241 --> 00:33:27,681
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, so you might get a

759
00:33:27,761 --> 00:33:29,601
Speaker 3: visit from the police because I've gone to the cops.

760
00:33:29,641 --> 00:33:33,041
Speaker 3: And he just lost it and because the police didn't

761
00:33:33,321 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: do anything, the cops never contacted him, basically, and then

762
00:33:37,241 --> 00:33:39,641
Speaker 3: he got in his head that I was I don't

763
00:33:39,641 --> 00:33:41,001
Speaker 3: know what he got in his head because he knew

764
00:33:41,081 --> 00:33:43,001
Speaker 3: he did it, but he was like, you're you're lying,

765
00:33:43,121 --> 00:33:45,761
Speaker 3: You're crazy. I want my money back. He robbed me

766
00:33:45,801 --> 00:33:48,561
Speaker 3: and then he started stalking me and he was like

767
00:33:48,681 --> 00:33:51,001
Speaker 3: rocking up to wherever I was. He's messaging my friends

768
00:33:51,081 --> 00:33:53,961
Speaker 3: is calling me like two hundred times a day, crazy

769
00:33:53,961 --> 00:33:56,001
Speaker 3: threats about the front of your house, the knife and whatever,

770
00:33:56,121 --> 00:33:58,601
Speaker 3: and the police just didn't do anything either. So I

771
00:33:58,601 --> 00:34:00,881
Speaker 3: was kind the police too, And yeah, they didn't do

772
00:34:00,881 --> 00:34:03,841
Speaker 3: anything because they said he needs to actually do something

773
00:34:03,881 --> 00:34:06,881
Speaker 3: for me for them to take that as stalking, so

774
00:34:06,921 --> 00:34:08,361
Speaker 3: that he needed to try and grab me.

775
00:34:08,761 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: But there's threatening things on your phone.

776
00:34:10,801 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't matter.

777
00:34:12,161 --> 00:34:14,241
Speaker 2: This is what I mean by the cops. I know. Yeah,

778
00:34:14,281 --> 00:34:14,841
Speaker 2: it's terrible.

779
00:34:14,961 --> 00:34:15,721
Speaker 3: Yeah, there really are.

780
00:34:15,761 --> 00:34:17,721
Speaker 2: And then something happens for a female and then it's

781
00:34:17,721 --> 00:34:18,721
Speaker 2: too late to say it's the same.

782
00:34:18,801 --> 00:34:20,321
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing, like, if you look at all

783
00:34:20,321 --> 00:34:22,201
Speaker 3: these things that happened to women, they've got guys out

784
00:34:22,241 --> 00:34:25,561
Speaker 3: in parole they were predators and their things not being

785
00:34:25,601 --> 00:34:28,241
Speaker 3: taken seriously until after the fact, and then it's like, oh,

786
00:34:28,241 --> 00:34:30,961
Speaker 3: we should have done something, and that's why the police

787
00:34:31,001 --> 00:34:33,281
Speaker 3: they just take the piss and it's like it's hard

788
00:34:33,281 --> 00:34:35,961
Speaker 3: to respect them, it's hard to go want to go

789
00:34:36,041 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: for them for support.

790
00:34:37,161 --> 00:34:39,961
Speaker 2: And these sort of did they know what line of

791
00:34:39,961 --> 00:34:40,521
Speaker 2: work you were doing?

792
00:34:40,801 --> 00:34:42,321
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course if there was.

793
00:34:42,401 --> 00:34:43,881
Speaker 3: If it was a girl that was in like she

794
00:34:44,001 --> 00:34:45,921
Speaker 3: was at a party and somebody did that, they'd take

795
00:34:45,961 --> 00:34:47,721
Speaker 3: it a lot more seriously. But because I work in

796
00:34:47,761 --> 00:34:51,081
Speaker 3: this industry, you're completely and that's like with everything in

797
00:34:51,121 --> 00:34:53,681
Speaker 3: this industry, you just get oh you're not human basically

798
00:34:53,921 --> 00:34:56,281
Speaker 3: that you really get to humanized when you do this job.

799
00:34:56,321 --> 00:34:58,521
Speaker 3: And it's a shame because some of the greatest people

800
00:34:58,521 --> 00:35:00,601
Speaker 3: in this industry, but yeah, they don't give a fuck.

801
00:35:00,921 --> 00:35:02,521
Speaker 1: So he kept harassing me, harassing me.

802
00:35:02,561 --> 00:35:04,081
Speaker 3: It was like six months and then I just like

803
00:35:04,201 --> 00:35:07,801
Speaker 3: lost it and I got all his details. I found

804
00:35:07,801 --> 00:35:11,761
Speaker 3: his wife, called his wife, I got all his contact details,

805
00:35:11,761 --> 00:35:13,681
Speaker 3: I found his business, I found his business number. I

806
00:35:13,721 --> 00:35:16,441
Speaker 3: put all over my Instagram, I got all the screenshots

807
00:35:16,441 --> 00:35:18,641
Speaker 3: of the conversations. I put everywhere on my Instagram. Was like,

808
00:35:18,681 --> 00:35:21,281
Speaker 3: this guy's stalking me, harassing me, like call him, and

809
00:35:21,601 --> 00:35:23,961
Speaker 3: everyone just started harassing him and calling him, and he's like,

810
00:35:23,961 --> 00:35:25,841
Speaker 3: please take it down. I'll stop, I'll stop. I said no,

811
00:35:25,921 --> 00:35:29,041
Speaker 3: fuck you, and he stopped. That's how I got rid

812
00:35:29,041 --> 00:35:29,441
Speaker 3: of him.

813
00:35:29,761 --> 00:35:30,561
Speaker 2: How long we though was that?

814
00:35:30,801 --> 00:35:33,521
Speaker 3: This was in twenty twenty.

815
00:35:33,241 --> 00:35:35,081
Speaker 2: Two and you never heard from him again.

816
00:35:35,121 --> 00:35:36,161
Speaker 1: I have heard from him again?

817
00:35:36,361 --> 00:35:40,321
Speaker 3: Really? Yeah? Yeah, so that's a book, Yeah yeah?

818
00:35:40,641 --> 00:35:42,161
Speaker 1: Really fucking insane, babe.

819
00:35:42,401 --> 00:35:43,641
Speaker 2: He wanted the book you again?

820
00:35:43,761 --> 00:35:46,961
Speaker 3: Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, let's just walk under the bridge.

821
00:35:48,121 --> 00:35:50,241
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're the crazy ones.

822
00:35:50,361 --> 00:35:50,921
Speaker 2: So what did you say?

823
00:35:50,921 --> 00:35:54,401
Speaker 3: So when he's gone, I just don't respond. Wow, entertain it.

824
00:35:54,921 --> 00:35:56,641
Speaker 3: Yeah shit.

825
00:35:57,081 --> 00:35:58,841
Speaker 2: So that was kind of one of the scariest moments.

826
00:35:59,001 --> 00:36:02,321
Speaker 3: That was that's the scariest situation I've ever had with work. Like,

827
00:36:02,401 --> 00:36:05,041
Speaker 3: luckily it wasn't in the booking. Yeah, but that was

828
00:36:05,401 --> 00:36:08,361
Speaker 3: a prolonged, really negative experience, and that was probably my

829
00:36:08,841 --> 00:36:10,561
Speaker 3: most negative experience I've had.

830
00:36:11,081 --> 00:36:13,081
Speaker 2: What's your family think? Have you been in the industry?

831
00:36:13,361 --> 00:36:16,201
Speaker 3: They accept it? Yeah, my parents love me, my brother

832
00:36:16,241 --> 00:36:19,121
Speaker 3: loves me. They accept it. I Mean, I don't think

833
00:36:19,161 --> 00:36:22,201
Speaker 3: anyone would be gagging that this is what their child

834
00:36:22,281 --> 00:36:26,241
Speaker 3: or sibling does. But I'm happy they're happy it is

835
00:36:26,241 --> 00:36:27,921
Speaker 3: what it is. We're able to talk about it and

836
00:36:27,961 --> 00:36:31,041
Speaker 3: stuff now, which a lot. I was down for Christmas,

837
00:36:31,121 --> 00:36:33,601
Speaker 3: stay with my family for Christmas. It's good I was

838
00:36:33,641 --> 00:36:35,281
Speaker 3: able to start talking to my dad about my job

839
00:36:35,281 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: because I've actually had somebody like, you know how people

840
00:36:37,961 --> 00:36:40,521
Speaker 3: can be so weird on the internet. Had somebody message

841
00:36:40,521 --> 00:36:43,681
Speaker 3: my dad my scarlet blue profile and say, your daughter's

842
00:36:43,721 --> 00:36:47,041
Speaker 3: a prostitute. She needs help, Like he knows that I'm

843
00:36:47,081 --> 00:36:50,081
Speaker 3: a prostitute, but he doesn't need to see my ad

844
00:36:50,241 --> 00:36:55,121
Speaker 3: like come on, it's just crazy. But outside of those

845
00:36:55,161 --> 00:36:57,681
Speaker 3: things that happened, and like when I had that stalker,

846
00:36:57,801 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: that's when I had to tell them because he worked

847
00:36:59,961 --> 00:37:03,801
Speaker 3: in cybersecurity and he hacked all my shit, so he

848
00:37:03,841 --> 00:37:04,641
Speaker 3: had videos of me.

849
00:37:05,161 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the whole thing bag.

850
00:37:06,761 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: And so I had to reach out to my parents

851
00:37:08,481 --> 00:37:10,561
Speaker 3: and say, look, this is what's going on. If you

852
00:37:10,641 --> 00:37:12,601
Speaker 3: have somebody that sends you videos like this is why,

853
00:37:12,801 --> 00:37:14,161
Speaker 3: Like this is what I do if you have any

854
00:37:14,241 --> 00:37:16,681
Speaker 3: questions and so, and for that six months, the police

855
00:37:16,681 --> 00:37:19,441
Speaker 3: did juction didn't do anything. I actually had a woman.

856
00:37:19,601 --> 00:37:21,041
Speaker 3: I know this is because I was like I don't

857
00:37:21,041 --> 00:37:22,401
Speaker 3: want any man. I want to speak to it. And

858
00:37:22,441 --> 00:37:24,041
Speaker 3: I had a woman come mind you, I'm sitting in

859
00:37:24,041 --> 00:37:26,361
Speaker 3: this bed with a broken leg. I had to move

860
00:37:26,361 --> 00:37:28,201
Speaker 3: into this apartment in Bellevue Hill. This is where the

861
00:37:28,201 --> 00:37:30,761
Speaker 3: Bondie brit came from. And it was like so small

862
00:37:30,761 --> 00:37:32,881
Speaker 3: that I could like touch everything from my bed, my kitchen,

863
00:37:33,001 --> 00:37:35,681
Speaker 3: my bathroom. Because I was like, properly could I compound

864
00:37:35,681 --> 00:37:37,361
Speaker 3: broke my leg? I had like a rod in my

865
00:37:37,441 --> 00:37:41,841
Speaker 3: leg could yeah, okay, And this woman comes in and

866
00:37:41,881 --> 00:37:44,081
Speaker 3: she's like, why didn't you report it? When like there's

867
00:37:44,161 --> 00:37:46,561
Speaker 3: just ridiculous questions. So why didn't you report it when

868
00:37:46,561 --> 00:37:48,241
Speaker 3: it happened? I said, because I was in shock, Like

869
00:37:48,281 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: I just oh, it's going to be hard to prove.

870
00:37:50,521 --> 00:37:52,681
Speaker 3: It's like I'm struggling to believe you're considering this is

871
00:37:52,681 --> 00:37:54,001
Speaker 3: what you do for a job. And I was like,

872
00:37:54,041 --> 00:37:56,401
Speaker 3: get the fuck out of my house, like, get out.

873
00:37:57,081 --> 00:37:59,641
Speaker 3: I just couldn't deal with him. They were so useless.

874
00:37:59,681 --> 00:38:00,721
Speaker 3: I had when he was out in the front of

875
00:38:00,761 --> 00:38:02,481
Speaker 3: my house. So the knife I caught triple zero, No

876
00:38:02,481 --> 00:38:06,761
Speaker 3: one came, No one came game, and I had my

877
00:38:06,881 --> 00:38:09,281
Speaker 3: friend and her like six month old baby in my

878
00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:10,401
Speaker 3: apartment at the time.

879
00:38:11,121 --> 00:38:11,921
Speaker 1: Yeah.

880
00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:13,561
Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about going back to Melbourne to

881
00:38:13,561 --> 00:38:14,401
Speaker 2: do what you do? Yeah?

882
00:38:14,401 --> 00:38:15,161
Speaker 1: I do tours?

883
00:38:15,401 --> 00:38:16,401
Speaker 2: Oh you do talk? Yeah?

884
00:38:17,281 --> 00:38:18,201
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I'll go.

885
00:38:18,481 --> 00:38:25,441
Speaker 3: You do tours? Rock star I am. I love it

886
00:38:25,481 --> 00:38:27,161
Speaker 3: When I say to people I do tours, They're like,

887
00:38:27,201 --> 00:38:29,121
Speaker 3: who do you think you are? Well, I amn't doing

888
00:38:29,721 --> 00:38:31,921
Speaker 3: paid to do it. It's exactly what I'm doing around.

889
00:38:32,521 --> 00:38:32,761
Speaker 2: Yeah.

890
00:38:32,801 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: I just got back from Brisbane. I did a tour

891
00:38:35,001 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: in Brisbane, which was really fun and I did four

892
00:38:37,521 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: days two weeks ago.

893
00:38:39,521 --> 00:38:41,761
Speaker 2: So you just let everyone know that you're coming to going.

894
00:38:41,601 --> 00:38:44,601
Speaker 3: There and then you just get like into state bookings

895
00:38:44,761 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: and it's fine. You're staying at a hotel like it's

896
00:38:46,961 --> 00:38:49,201
Speaker 3: a good time. It is very exhausting though.

897
00:38:49,281 --> 00:38:50,921
Speaker 2: You want paid for you to go over with you.

898
00:38:50,921 --> 00:38:52,161
Speaker 3: No, I haven't done that yet.

899
00:38:52,441 --> 00:38:55,881
Speaker 2: You're going to do that. I could do that, you

900
00:38:55,921 --> 00:38:58,041
Speaker 2: know what? Without mentioned names, let's see, let's see if

901
00:38:58,281 --> 00:38:59,521
Speaker 2: you anyone famous.

902
00:39:00,561 --> 00:39:02,841
Speaker 3: I'm not saying a name, but I have sn NDA before.

903
00:39:03,321 --> 00:39:06,161
Speaker 3: It has it's got to be spoil a few different industries.

904
00:39:06,961 --> 00:39:12,561
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that? What's the most requested when they see you?

905
00:39:13,641 --> 00:39:14,161
Speaker 3: What do you mean?

906
00:39:14,321 --> 00:39:17,081
Speaker 2: Well, you know they could be you know, do you

907
00:39:17,081 --> 00:39:20,521
Speaker 2: get anybody who wants to fantasize on being something? Is

908
00:39:20,521 --> 00:39:23,201
Speaker 2: it a role play? Is it straight? You know, ge

909
00:39:23,441 --> 00:39:24,921
Speaker 2: next door thing? What? What is it?

910
00:39:25,281 --> 00:39:25,361
Speaker 4: So?

911
00:39:25,481 --> 00:39:27,201
Speaker 1: I have a menu I send to my client.

912
00:39:27,201 --> 00:39:27,801
Speaker 2: You've got a menu.

913
00:39:27,801 --> 00:39:28,361
Speaker 3: You've got a menu.

914
00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:30,521
Speaker 2: You go on tours, now, you've got a menu.

915
00:39:30,681 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a business, babe.

916
00:39:33,521 --> 00:39:37,601
Speaker 3: So there's four tiers, so Girlfriend Experience, Porn Star Experience

917
00:39:37,841 --> 00:39:41,481
Speaker 3: Deluxe and then Vip Deluxe, In Vip DELARX, they can

918
00:39:41,521 --> 00:39:45,801
Speaker 3: do like extreme role play, So let your mind go

919
00:39:46,041 --> 00:39:48,041
Speaker 3: to any which way it will, and I allow it

920
00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:51,721
Speaker 3: in those bookings. Girlfriend experience is very much just like

921
00:39:51,801 --> 00:39:54,281
Speaker 3: your It's not vanilla, but it's just well, it is

922
00:39:54,281 --> 00:39:57,041
Speaker 3: pretty vanilla, you know, covered oral and that sort of thing,

923
00:39:57,121 --> 00:40:00,001
Speaker 3: and just like very basic porn star experience. The only

924
00:40:00,041 --> 00:40:03,761
Speaker 3: difference is is like bear back blow jobs and then

925
00:40:04,241 --> 00:40:06,161
Speaker 3: they get higher and hig and that's when they'll do

926
00:40:06,361 --> 00:40:10,041
Speaker 3: like role plays and things like that. Honestly, I feel

927
00:40:10,121 --> 00:40:12,961
Speaker 3: like the guys that I get, they just want connection

928
00:40:13,161 --> 00:40:16,641
Speaker 3: and intimacy, like that's it. But then I'll sometimes get

929
00:40:16,641 --> 00:40:19,081
Speaker 3: people that want the freakier stuff. I had this one

930
00:40:19,121 --> 00:40:22,081
Speaker 3: client said he wanted to do role play and I

931
00:40:22,121 --> 00:40:23,801
Speaker 3: walked in and he had a script for me.

932
00:40:27,761 --> 00:40:28,401
Speaker 2: Action movie.

933
00:40:29,801 --> 00:40:31,601
Speaker 3: And I love to perform, like I said, so I

934
00:40:31,641 --> 00:40:34,081
Speaker 3: was like, okay, let's go, Like this is fucking cooked,

935
00:40:34,121 --> 00:40:35,561
Speaker 3: but I love it. I'm going to get into this.

936
00:40:35,721 --> 00:40:39,761
Speaker 3: And it was basically a schoolgirl professor in that instance,

937
00:40:39,801 --> 00:40:42,641
Speaker 3: so I was concerned about what his actual job was

938
00:40:42,681 --> 00:40:44,921
Speaker 3: and I never wanted to ask, so I didn't because

939
00:40:44,921 --> 00:40:48,161
Speaker 3: it was very specific, very minor, very older guy. This

940
00:40:48,241 --> 00:40:52,281
Speaker 3: is bad. Yeah, a lot of guys will get into that.

941
00:40:52,321 --> 00:40:54,401
Speaker 3: I think I like to push the boundaries a little bit.

942
00:40:54,841 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: Those are the sort of bookings that when I leave,

943
00:40:56,481 --> 00:40:58,361
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm never doing that again, but then after

944
00:40:58,401 --> 00:40:59,681
Speaker 3: a few months, I'd probably do it again.

945
00:41:00,201 --> 00:41:01,161
Speaker 2: You ever fell for a client?

946
00:41:01,881 --> 00:41:02,161
Speaker 3: Yes?

947
00:41:04,441 --> 00:41:07,321
Speaker 1: How saying just one and done? Ever again?

948
00:41:08,081 --> 00:41:09,961
Speaker 2: And what made you fall for him? Was he a

949
00:41:09,961 --> 00:41:10,721
Speaker 2: regular first?

950
00:41:10,721 --> 00:41:14,041
Speaker 3: He was a regular first, honestly, like I just I

951
00:41:14,081 --> 00:41:16,641
Speaker 3: he came to the massage parlor first, and we just

952
00:41:16,681 --> 00:41:20,921
Speaker 3: had an instant like bedroom cam and like just chemistry.

953
00:41:21,681 --> 00:41:23,961
Speaker 3: And I was just I was so young a naive

954
00:41:23,961 --> 00:41:26,241
Speaker 3: when I started this job as well, like don't like

955
00:41:26,321 --> 00:41:28,681
Speaker 3: I know the way I look at men and understand men. Now,

956
00:41:28,761 --> 00:41:31,241
Speaker 3: it just wouldn't happen. I just wouldn't fall for a client.

957
00:41:31,321 --> 00:41:33,961
Speaker 3: But then I was like, he loves me. We have

958
00:41:34,081 --> 00:41:37,521
Speaker 3: this connection, like you know he was married as well,

959
00:41:37,601 --> 00:41:40,321
Speaker 3: which I didn't know. For the first like six bookings,

960
00:41:40,361 --> 00:41:42,921
Speaker 3: he said he wasn't married, and he didn't give married

961
00:41:43,041 --> 00:41:45,641
Speaker 3: energy like usually there's a way about someone. And then

962
00:41:45,641 --> 00:41:48,761
Speaker 3: we didn't overnight together at a hotel and I said

963
00:41:48,761 --> 00:41:51,121
Speaker 3: to him, like, do you have like kids, and he's like,

964
00:41:51,121 --> 00:41:52,441
Speaker 3: do you want to know? I said yes, And he

965
00:41:52,521 --> 00:41:55,721
Speaker 3: had this whole family, and I was just, oh, you devastated.

966
00:41:56,161 --> 00:41:58,601
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say devastated the right word. I just kind

967
00:41:58,601 --> 00:42:00,921
Speaker 3: of was like, oh, fuck, Like this is just a

968
00:42:00,921 --> 00:42:02,761
Speaker 3: bit of a mess now because I'm in too deep.

969
00:42:03,081 --> 00:42:03,841
Speaker 3: I've like this guy.

970
00:42:03,961 --> 00:42:04,881
Speaker 2: Oh so you fell for him?

971
00:42:05,241 --> 00:42:05,481
Speaker 3: For him?

972
00:42:06,241 --> 00:42:08,361
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, I got to the point where I stopped

973
00:42:08,401 --> 00:42:08,921
Speaker 1: charging him.

974
00:42:09,801 --> 00:42:14,921
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is fucking deep. Yeah, Jesus Christ. Wow,

975
00:42:15,601 --> 00:42:17,401
Speaker 2: that's not like you to let your fucking no.

976
00:42:17,761 --> 00:42:20,961
Speaker 3: This is all in my twenties. Now.

977
00:42:21,321 --> 00:42:25,681
Speaker 2: Wow, Now you're you are established in the industry. What

978
00:42:25,721 --> 00:42:27,561
Speaker 2: would you change about the industry If you could change

979
00:42:27,561 --> 00:42:29,761
Speaker 2: anything to help you girls out more.

980
00:42:30,281 --> 00:42:32,961
Speaker 3: I would get rid of girls doing natural service, and

981
00:42:33,001 --> 00:42:35,841
Speaker 3: I'd have a minimum pay cart so you couldn't undercharge.

982
00:42:36,441 --> 00:42:40,361
Speaker 3: And I would get rid of AI altogether. So you

983
00:42:40,481 --> 00:42:44,241
Speaker 3: have to advertise your photos because it's I think those

984
00:42:44,241 --> 00:42:46,121
Speaker 3: are the things that make it a bit tricky, because

985
00:42:46,161 --> 00:42:49,121
Speaker 3: client's getting burnt and then they've got like a chip

986
00:42:49,161 --> 00:42:51,521
Speaker 3: on their shoulder, which is and I'm going to deal with.

987
00:42:52,001 --> 00:42:55,361
Speaker 3: I would say better security and writes, better protection for

988
00:42:55,441 --> 00:42:58,281
Speaker 3: sex workers and that sort of thing and it would

989
00:42:58,361 --> 00:43:00,121
Speaker 3: just be nice, I would say for the industry. It's

990
00:43:00,161 --> 00:43:02,761
Speaker 3: more so like societal standards and the way people perceive it.

991
00:43:03,201 --> 00:43:05,721
Speaker 3: People can just really look look at us like we're

992
00:43:05,761 --> 00:43:07,441
Speaker 3: just the bottom of the barrel, and it's really not

993
00:43:07,441 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: the case. There's a lot of women in this industry that.

994
00:43:09,681 --> 00:43:11,761
Speaker 2: You feel like you get the trees and like that.

995
00:43:12,121 --> 00:43:14,401
Speaker 3: I think it can happen. I don't really like buying

996
00:43:14,401 --> 00:43:16,161
Speaker 3: into that sort of rhetoric anymore, and I don't really

997
00:43:16,201 --> 00:43:18,241
Speaker 3: give a fuck, but like a lot of people would,

998
00:43:18,321 --> 00:43:21,081
Speaker 3: there's a lot of stigma still. Sex works really talked about.

999
00:43:21,121 --> 00:43:23,041
Speaker 3: Like I'm on this podcast talking about it now. Everyone

1000
00:43:23,201 --> 00:43:26,241
Speaker 3: TikTok's talking about now. It's like it's like the craze,

1001
00:43:26,281 --> 00:43:27,761
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's a bit hot right now.

1002
00:43:27,841 --> 00:43:31,481
Speaker 3: But like outside of the infamous elements of it, people

1003
00:43:31,521 --> 00:43:33,161
Speaker 3: still get sort of looked down where it be like

1004
00:43:33,201 --> 00:43:35,561
Speaker 3: relationships or you know, this is a sort of job

1005
00:43:35,601 --> 00:43:37,641
Speaker 3: where people are like would you leave it if you

1006
00:43:37,721 --> 00:43:40,081
Speaker 3: met somebody? Or what's your exit plan? Or what else

1007
00:43:40,081 --> 00:43:41,561
Speaker 3: are you going to do? Do you have savings? Do

1008
00:43:41,561 --> 00:43:43,561
Speaker 3: you have assets? Like you get these sorts of questions

1009
00:43:43,641 --> 00:43:46,281
Speaker 3: that you wouldn't ask anybody else. But for people to

1010
00:43:46,321 --> 00:43:49,361
Speaker 3: perceive this job as being acceptable for people in this

1011
00:43:49,401 --> 00:43:51,921
Speaker 3: industry need to have something to show for it. Otherwise

1012
00:43:51,921 --> 00:43:54,641
Speaker 3: it's a sin. So I feel like we don't get

1013
00:43:54,641 --> 00:43:59,121
Speaker 3: the same decency as let's say, your average show blow

1014
00:43:59,401 --> 00:44:01,641
Speaker 3: because of this job. I think that needs to sort

1015
00:44:01,641 --> 00:44:05,321
Speaker 3: of change. But outside of that, I do think like

1016
00:44:05,441 --> 00:44:08,801
Speaker 3: from my perspective, it's a pretty good industry to work

1017
00:44:08,801 --> 00:44:09,801
Speaker 3: in in Australia.

1018
00:44:09,841 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: Like, we're pretty lucky here. I feel like it's good.

1019
00:44:12,521 --> 00:44:15,041
Speaker 3: It's fucking saturated now though, like there's a lot of

1020
00:44:15,041 --> 00:44:18,921
Speaker 3: girls doing this, yes, but yeah, do you think only

1021
00:44:18,961 --> 00:44:21,641
Speaker 3: fans ruins it? I don't think only fans ruins it

1022
00:44:21,681 --> 00:44:25,601
Speaker 3: because it's completely different like ones online ones in real life.

1023
00:44:26,001 --> 00:44:29,001
Speaker 3: It's a completely different market. I think only fans, if

1024
00:44:29,041 --> 00:44:32,361
Speaker 3: you correctly, can help your brand. I think only fans

1025
00:44:32,841 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: is ruining other things and then full service sex work.

1026
00:44:37,001 --> 00:44:39,001
Speaker 3: I think that girls need to aim a little bit

1027
00:44:39,081 --> 00:44:42,281
Speaker 3: higher than getting out of school and becoming an only

1028
00:44:42,321 --> 00:44:44,881
Speaker 3: fans girl, because the reality is to make money on

1029
00:44:44,921 --> 00:44:47,321
Speaker 3: only fans, you need to have a following. People need

1030
00:44:47,361 --> 00:44:49,721
Speaker 3: to know who you are ye first of all, and

1031
00:44:49,961 --> 00:44:51,841
Speaker 3: it's not just a matter of getting out of school

1032
00:44:51,881 --> 00:44:53,761
Speaker 3: and jumping into Only Fans and you think you're going

1033
00:44:53,801 --> 00:44:54,841
Speaker 3: to be making all this money.

1034
00:44:54,841 --> 00:44:55,961
Speaker 1: It's just it's not the case.

1035
00:44:56,121 --> 00:44:57,721
Speaker 3: You need to be lucky, you need to be able

1036
00:44:57,721 --> 00:44:59,081
Speaker 3: to put yourself out there, and you need to have

1037
00:44:59,081 --> 00:45:01,281
Speaker 3: your marketing down path. I look at Only Fans more

1038
00:45:01,321 --> 00:45:03,401
Speaker 3: like a nine to five. There's a lot of work

1039
00:45:03,401 --> 00:45:05,841
Speaker 3: into only fans, and I would just say for the

1040
00:45:05,841 --> 00:45:07,401
Speaker 3: girls that are like thinking, I'm just going to start

1041
00:45:07,441 --> 00:45:09,801
Speaker 3: doing it, it's not the case. I think there's like

1042
00:45:09,841 --> 00:45:12,281
Speaker 3: a glamorization around it with social media that looks like

1043
00:45:12,321 --> 00:45:14,361
Speaker 3: you can earn all this money and drive these cars

1044
00:45:14,401 --> 00:45:16,161
Speaker 3: and have this laugh and be on these jets, and

1045
00:45:16,201 --> 00:45:18,401
Speaker 3: that's like the one percent. And there's a lot of

1046
00:45:18,401 --> 00:45:21,721
Speaker 3: people on this platform. So that's more what I think

1047
00:45:21,801 --> 00:45:25,481
Speaker 3: Only Fans is sort of corrupting, is like young girls.

1048
00:45:25,801 --> 00:45:27,361
Speaker 2: So what's your opinion on Bonny Blue?

1049
00:45:28,081 --> 00:45:28,281
Speaker 3: Oh?

1050
00:45:28,361 --> 00:45:30,681
Speaker 1: Controversial? I think, go off, queen, do what you're gonna do.

1051
00:45:31,201 --> 00:45:33,801
Speaker 2: I honestly, you don't think she's ruining the industry. The

1052
00:45:33,841 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: what she's doing.

1053
00:45:34,961 --> 00:45:37,681
Speaker 3: I think she's. What I think Bonnie Blue has done

1054
00:45:38,001 --> 00:45:42,161
Speaker 3: is she has played the game like a man and

1055
00:45:42,201 --> 00:45:45,761
Speaker 3: she's winning. That's what she's done. She's not gone from

1056
00:45:45,841 --> 00:45:48,001
Speaker 3: she's not gone to only fans as a woman. She's

1057
00:45:48,041 --> 00:45:50,521
Speaker 3: gone to it with a man's povy and she's operating

1058
00:45:50,601 --> 00:45:53,201
Speaker 3: from that space and that's why she's killing it. And

1059
00:45:53,201 --> 00:45:56,681
Speaker 3: people have a problem with that because you know, like

1060
00:45:56,801 --> 00:45:58,481
Speaker 3: girls are looking at it like, oh, she's ruining the

1061
00:45:58,521 --> 00:46:00,921
Speaker 3: industry whatever. She's actually staying in the lines of the industry.

1062
00:46:00,921 --> 00:46:03,641
Speaker 3: This is the industry. Maybe the industry needs to change. Then, Okay,

1063
00:46:03,641 --> 00:46:05,881
Speaker 3: maybe eighteen is too young, do you know, like all this,

1064
00:46:06,161 --> 00:46:09,681
Speaker 3: like maybe that's the conversation. She is milking what is there,

1065
00:46:10,361 --> 00:46:13,681
Speaker 3: and men have a problem with her because she's milking

1066
00:46:13,721 --> 00:46:16,241
Speaker 3: a man's world and men a falling for it, and

1067
00:46:16,281 --> 00:46:18,881
Speaker 3: women have a problem with her because of how outland

1068
00:46:19,001 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: she is about it. Like I said, people love sex

1069
00:46:21,441 --> 00:46:25,641
Speaker 3: workers if they come put together and really articulate and

1070
00:46:25,841 --> 00:46:27,801
Speaker 3: you know, really you know, got everything to show for

1071
00:46:27,841 --> 00:46:29,521
Speaker 3: them and have like this down to earth attitude. But

1072
00:46:29,561 --> 00:46:32,201
Speaker 3: it's just not the case, and like she is pushing

1073
00:46:32,241 --> 00:46:34,881
Speaker 3: sex work to the extremities. I don't have a real

1074
00:46:34,921 --> 00:46:37,601
Speaker 3: opinion on it. I'm just like, good for you, that's

1075
00:46:37,641 --> 00:46:40,361
Speaker 3: what you want to do, Like I always have respect

1076
00:46:40,401 --> 00:46:44,081
Speaker 3: for people that are able to go all in, because

1077
00:46:44,081 --> 00:46:46,081
Speaker 3: that's something I've always struggled with. I've always had one

1078
00:46:46,081 --> 00:46:47,841
Speaker 3: foot in, one foot out. I want to be a girlfriend,

1079
00:46:47,881 --> 00:46:49,001
Speaker 3: I want to be this, I want to be a

1080
00:46:49,041 --> 00:46:51,401
Speaker 3: sex worker. I feel like they can't. So if I

1081
00:46:51,401 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: can witness somebody in any field, not just sex work,

1082
00:46:53,961 --> 00:46:56,161
Speaker 3: that it has the balls to go all in, especially

1083
00:46:56,161 --> 00:46:59,001
Speaker 3: in such a judgmental society where everyone's in your business,

1084
00:46:59,121 --> 00:47:01,841
Speaker 3: I'm like, hat's off to you, it's not my business.

1085
00:47:02,361 --> 00:47:04,081
Speaker 2: Is it a bit? Is it a bitchy industry?

1086
00:47:05,481 --> 00:47:08,601
Speaker 3: I do not have many sex worker friends really, Like

1087
00:47:08,681 --> 00:47:10,921
Speaker 3: a lot of my friends in Melbourne are married with kids.

1088
00:47:11,401 --> 00:47:14,681
Speaker 3: A lot of my friends in Sydney are stayed home girlfriends,

1089
00:47:14,761 --> 00:47:17,161
Speaker 3: or they manage to salon or their gay men. I

1090
00:47:17,201 --> 00:47:20,401
Speaker 3: have a couple of sex worker friends, but not many.

1091
00:47:20,641 --> 00:47:23,081
Speaker 3: I don't really get into clicks. I've never really been

1092
00:47:23,081 --> 00:47:24,921
Speaker 3: a clique sort of person, so because of that, I

1093
00:47:25,041 --> 00:47:27,521
Speaker 3: miss out and a lot of the bitchiness. But there is,

1094
00:47:27,561 --> 00:47:31,081
Speaker 3: like I think in any industry, there's like drama, But

1095
00:47:31,121 --> 00:47:31,641
Speaker 3: do you think.

1096
00:47:31,481 --> 00:47:34,201
Speaker 2: It's better because the fact that you're you're a private

1097
00:47:34,481 --> 00:47:36,841
Speaker 2: in the industry, So you're not in an establishment where

1098
00:47:36,881 --> 00:47:38,121
Speaker 2: it would be more bitchy if you were.

1099
00:47:38,321 --> 00:47:40,121
Speaker 3: I didn't have a bitchy experience when I worked in

1100
00:47:40,121 --> 00:47:43,321
Speaker 3: the establishment, to be honest. No, But I think maybe

1101
00:47:43,321 --> 00:47:45,881
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit oblivious too. I'm just like, oh

1102
00:47:45,961 --> 00:47:49,521
Speaker 3: my whatever, like why wouldn't you like me? Sort of thing.

1103
00:47:52,081 --> 00:47:55,761
Speaker 2: You know, what's the oldest client you've ever had?

1104
00:47:56,001 --> 00:47:56,721
Speaker 1: Seventy three?

1105
00:47:57,321 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: Seventy three?

1106
00:47:58,081 --> 00:48:00,801
Speaker 3: Yeah, I should check in on him, see how he's doing.

1107
00:48:00,841 --> 00:48:03,841
Speaker 3: Actually that age, Like, you don't know, I haven't heard

1108
00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:09,041
Speaker 3: for him for a while. Oh my god, welfare check.

1109
00:48:09,761 --> 00:48:13,881
Speaker 3: What's the youngest eighteen? I took a virginity? You did?

1110
00:48:14,081 --> 00:48:17,481
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fucking expensive virginity. Yeah.

1111
00:48:17,521 --> 00:48:19,161
Speaker 3: And I feel like as well, do you know I

1112
00:48:19,161 --> 00:48:21,441
Speaker 3: find interesting about the young guys that are booking escorts

1113
00:48:21,441 --> 00:48:22,641
Speaker 3: for the first time. I think it's a bit of

1114
00:48:22,641 --> 00:48:24,881
Speaker 3: a bravado thing. They want to book like the deluxe

1115
00:48:24,921 --> 00:48:27,081
Speaker 3: experience for ninety minutes. They want to pay more than

1116
00:48:27,121 --> 00:48:29,001
Speaker 3: they could just do a thousand, and you know, they

1117
00:48:29,041 --> 00:48:31,001
Speaker 3: want to like show off a little bit and come

1118
00:48:31,041 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: into it, you know, like look at me, which I'm

1119
00:48:33,481 --> 00:48:33,721
Speaker 3: all for.

1120
00:48:34,281 --> 00:48:35,561
Speaker 1: That was a first experience.

1121
00:48:35,681 --> 00:48:39,081
Speaker 3: I adn't find it okay. I found the experience very interesting,

1122
00:48:39,161 --> 00:48:41,321
Speaker 3: right because he was like, obviously I have to check

1123
00:48:41,361 --> 00:48:44,401
Speaker 3: his ID. Eighteen is very young, Like when I'm looking

1124
00:48:44,481 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: at an eighteen year old, it's young, so it's hard

1125
00:48:47,961 --> 00:48:49,601
Speaker 3: to wrap your head around a little bit. It doesn't

1126
00:48:49,641 --> 00:48:52,201
Speaker 3: feel I felt like I was more like an educator,

1127
00:48:52,881 --> 00:48:54,201
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I was there to.

1128
00:48:54,161 --> 00:48:56,401
Speaker 1: Give a service and.

1129
00:48:57,281 --> 00:48:59,881
Speaker 3: Like, well, yeah, because you know, there is like a

1130
00:48:59,881 --> 00:49:01,321
Speaker 3: little bit of weight and that you want to give

1131
00:49:01,321 --> 00:49:02,921
Speaker 3: them some tips and stuff so when they're with a

1132
00:49:02,961 --> 00:49:06,081
Speaker 3: regular girl, they have some sort of skill and respect.

1133
00:49:06,721 --> 00:49:08,681
Speaker 3: A lot of these younger guys are learning everything from

1134
00:49:08,721 --> 00:49:10,481
Speaker 3: pawn and it's just not the same. Like I was

1135
00:49:10,521 --> 00:49:13,001
Speaker 3: sitting with this guy and we're talking and he's like

1136
00:49:13,001 --> 00:49:15,881
Speaker 3: this sweet I hate to say boy, it was a

1137
00:49:15,921 --> 00:49:18,841
Speaker 3: sweet young white boy talking about his ex girlfriend in

1138
00:49:18,881 --> 00:49:21,361
Speaker 3: school and everything, and I was like, okay. Then we

1139
00:49:21,401 --> 00:49:25,281
Speaker 3: went to the bedroom and he was just so I

1140
00:49:25,361 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: was like, whoa, what are you doing. He was just like, yeah,

1141
00:49:28,681 --> 00:49:31,081
Speaker 3: choke on it, bitch, like you fucking like this like

1142
00:49:31,201 --> 00:49:34,281
Speaker 3: really vulgar. And I was just like, what are you doing.

1143
00:49:34,401 --> 00:49:35,761
Speaker 3: He's like, well, this is what they do on the pawn.

1144
00:49:35,801 --> 00:49:40,241
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, no, no, So we've dialed it

1145
00:49:40,321 --> 00:49:42,561
Speaker 3: back a little bit. And then I like taught him

1146
00:49:42,561 --> 00:49:44,041
Speaker 3: a few things. I taught him how to go down

1147
00:49:44,041 --> 00:49:46,561
Speaker 3: and the girl. I taught him how to touch a body. Yeah.

1148
00:49:46,601 --> 00:49:48,881
Speaker 3: I taught him my cow to approach a girl at

1149
00:49:48,921 --> 00:49:51,401
Speaker 3: a bar, how to make the first move. I walked

1150
00:49:51,401 --> 00:49:53,921
Speaker 3: out of there feeling like I'd accomplished something, gave him purpose.

1151
00:49:54,321 --> 00:49:55,841
Speaker 4: I wonder how he's doing. I should check it on

1152
00:49:55,921 --> 00:49:59,641
Speaker 4: him too. What's the weirdest thing that's ever happened to

1153
00:49:59,681 --> 00:50:04,041
Speaker 4: you with a client? Don't tell me all your clients

1154
00:50:04,041 --> 00:50:05,321
Speaker 4: are just straight.

1155
00:50:05,601 --> 00:50:08,641
Speaker 3: No, they're not, Honestly, it's just like these sorts of questions.

1156
00:50:08,761 --> 00:50:11,761
Speaker 3: I wish they're just so common to me. Everything's like

1157
00:50:11,801 --> 00:50:13,521
Speaker 3: one after the other. I did have a couple of

1158
00:50:13,801 --> 00:50:15,961
Speaker 3: this weird guy that would come into the massage. It's

1159
00:50:15,961 --> 00:50:19,521
Speaker 3: not weird, just unique. He'd come into the massage pile

1160
00:50:19,561 --> 00:50:23,241
Speaker 3: and he'd like me to blindfold him while he called

1161
00:50:23,281 --> 00:50:28,281
Speaker 3: me Andrea and someone to him obviously, yeah, and he'd

1162
00:50:28,361 --> 00:50:30,881
Speaker 3: like me to like turn all the lights off. He'd

1163
00:50:30,881 --> 00:50:33,001
Speaker 3: be blindfolded, and then run up and slap him on

1164
00:50:33,041 --> 00:50:37,601
Speaker 3: the penis, and then he'd andrew where are you and

1165
00:50:37,721 --> 00:50:41,201
Speaker 3: just continue doing that over and over. So the ones

1166
00:50:41,241 --> 00:50:43,201
Speaker 3: that are very specific like that, I more noted when

1167
00:50:43,201 --> 00:50:46,201
Speaker 3: they want to call me a specific name or something

1168
00:50:46,321 --> 00:50:48,921
Speaker 3: like that. I had someone that wanted to do like

1169
00:50:48,961 --> 00:50:54,081
Speaker 3: a Star Wars reenactment, which was very interesting. What's the

1170
00:50:54,161 --> 00:50:55,561
Speaker 3: name with? Yeah?

1171
00:50:56,001 --> 00:50:57,761
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I clipped my hair up into a little

1172
00:50:58,241 --> 00:50:58,521
Speaker 1: and he.

1173
00:50:58,521 --> 00:51:03,281
Speaker 2: Brought a lightsaber yeah yeah wow.

1174
00:51:03,281 --> 00:51:05,241
Speaker 1: And he liked me to put the light savor.

1175
00:51:05,121 --> 00:51:09,641
Speaker 3: In his mouth. So like, there's interesting things like that

1176
00:51:10,441 --> 00:51:16,881
Speaker 3: which I think you could classify as like unique.

1177
00:51:17,801 --> 00:51:20,521
Speaker 2: Would you ever own your own industry like a brothel?

1178
00:51:21,521 --> 00:51:24,401
Speaker 3: I wouldn't own an establishment, but I would definitely look

1179
00:51:24,441 --> 00:51:30,121
Speaker 3: into owning my own hostess business, so I would have

1180
00:51:30,281 --> 00:51:33,481
Speaker 3: the girls work for me. I'd find them jobs that

1181
00:51:33,561 --> 00:51:35,361
Speaker 3: sort of thing. I could see myself doing something like

1182
00:51:35,401 --> 00:51:39,121
Speaker 3: that because I would just I just know I have

1183
00:51:39,121 --> 00:51:41,841
Speaker 3: the best clients and the best girls, and I would

1184
00:51:41,881 --> 00:51:43,761
Speaker 3: have like I was like, you know, it's something cool

1185
00:51:43,881 --> 00:51:47,121
Speaker 3: like a membership sort of system VIP you have to

1186
00:51:47,161 --> 00:51:49,801
Speaker 3: interview to get in bars and girls, so best of

1187
00:51:49,881 --> 00:51:54,081
Speaker 3: the best, no refraff. That would be cool, But establishment wise,

1188
00:51:54,121 --> 00:51:55,801
Speaker 3: I just don't think there's money in it. These days,

1189
00:51:56,121 --> 00:51:58,921
Speaker 3: I think you'd just be hemorrhaging money having an establishment.

1190
00:51:59,001 --> 00:52:01,521
Speaker 3: With how sex work is, guys aren't wanting to spend

1191
00:52:01,521 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 3: as much. There is more options than ever and people

1192
00:52:04,561 --> 00:52:07,681
Speaker 3: are under charging more than ever, so people are they're

1193
00:52:07,681 --> 00:52:08,801
Speaker 3: finding ways around it.

1194
00:52:09,641 --> 00:52:11,561
Speaker 2: I know from the industry, a lot of girls go

1195
00:52:11,641 --> 00:52:14,001
Speaker 2: to Dubai. What are you smiling for?

1196
00:52:16,601 --> 00:52:17,881
Speaker 1: Slaughing these questions?

1197
00:52:19,441 --> 00:52:21,241
Speaker 2: I asked questions and no one else is too scared

1198
00:52:21,321 --> 00:52:21,601
Speaker 2: to ask.

1199
00:52:22,041 --> 00:52:23,961
Speaker 3: Every single guy asked these questions.

1200
00:52:24,161 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: Why why, Well, that's why they want to hear the answer.

1201
00:52:27,961 --> 00:52:29,921
Speaker 2: Would have you been to Dubai, I would not work

1202
00:52:29,961 --> 00:52:32,121
Speaker 2: in Dubai. No, Okay, reason why?

1203
00:52:32,281 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm honestly just scared, Like.

1204
00:52:34,961 --> 00:52:37,161
Speaker 2: I'm fared, all right, tell me why?

1205
00:52:37,361 --> 00:52:39,841
Speaker 3: Because people get in situations over there that I just

1206
00:52:39,881 --> 00:52:41,041
Speaker 3: don't think i'd want to find myself.

1207
00:52:41,081 --> 00:52:42,241
Speaker 2: See, this is what I don't know. That's why I'm

1208
00:52:42,241 --> 00:52:44,801
Speaker 2: asking a question. Yeah, because a lot of girls who

1209
00:52:44,881 --> 00:52:46,881
Speaker 2: I know, and I've brought on this show of talking

1210
00:52:46,881 --> 00:52:49,081
Speaker 2: about going to Dubai, they've they've been in the industry

1211
00:52:49,081 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: over there, They've come back and forth. And that's why

1212
00:52:51,441 --> 00:52:53,841
Speaker 2: I asked you because someone of your profile. That's why

1213
00:52:53,881 --> 00:52:55,521
Speaker 2: I want to see if you would go over there.

1214
00:52:56,041 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: No, not with the profile. I feel like that might

1215
00:52:58,081 --> 00:53:02,201
Speaker 3: stop hinder me. I've not really yet. Dubai for me

1216
00:53:02,321 --> 00:53:03,481
Speaker 3: isn't calling to me.

1217
00:53:04,161 --> 00:53:06,321
Speaker 2: You're happy with on under the radar? How you are?

1218
00:53:06,921 --> 00:53:08,761
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do you know? I'm going out for dinner

1219
00:53:08,801 --> 00:53:11,921
Speaker 3: with my girlfriend on Thursday. She is incredible escort. She's

1220
00:53:12,081 --> 00:53:14,881
Speaker 3: very very high class, very down like on download, not

1221
00:53:14,921 --> 00:53:16,681
Speaker 3: face out, and it's built an amazing brand for her

1222
00:53:16,721 --> 00:53:19,201
Speaker 3: and she gets flown everywhere. Yeah, she's very discreet and

1223
00:53:19,201 --> 00:53:20,841
Speaker 3: she's really good at what she does. When I see her,

1224
00:53:20,881 --> 00:53:22,561
Speaker 3: I ask her about Dubai because she's just worked in

1225
00:53:22,601 --> 00:53:25,441
Speaker 3: Dubai and she loves it. But I just think for

1226
00:53:25,641 --> 00:53:28,401
Speaker 3: the brand that I have, I don't know. I just

1227
00:53:28,401 --> 00:53:30,721
Speaker 3: don't think it aligns me. And honestly, to be honest, Neil,

1228
00:53:30,761 --> 00:53:33,401
Speaker 3: I don't like long bookings. I don't like spending that

1229
00:53:33,481 --> 00:53:36,201
Speaker 3: much time with a client. And I might shoot myself

1230
00:53:36,241 --> 00:53:38,481
Speaker 3: from the foot for saying this so publicly, but I

1231
00:53:38,601 --> 00:53:42,441
Speaker 3: just get bored. Really yeah, so unless and like the

1232
00:53:42,481 --> 00:53:45,001
Speaker 3: only time that would really work for me, or like,

1233
00:53:45,041 --> 00:53:46,961
Speaker 3: I genuinely don't like them as a person and I

1234
00:53:46,961 --> 00:53:49,721
Speaker 3: find it quite hard to keep my mouth shut.

1235
00:53:49,481 --> 00:53:51,721
Speaker 2: You're actually about So if it goes over an hour

1236
00:53:51,801 --> 00:53:54,481
Speaker 2: kind of thing, you're over it. You wanted to finish?

1237
00:53:54,521 --> 00:53:58,281
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, unless it because unless they're bringing something

1238
00:53:58,321 --> 00:54:00,681
Speaker 3: to the table, Like the guy's got to bring more pizazz,

1239
00:54:01,121 --> 00:54:04,401
Speaker 3: like bring some fun. I find the international clients are

1240
00:54:04,281 --> 00:54:05,961
Speaker 3: a fun when they come from an other country and

1241
00:54:06,121 --> 00:54:10,401
Speaker 3: they've got more going on. They're like, what's just interesting stories,

1242
00:54:10,441 --> 00:54:13,681
Speaker 3: a bit of banter, like not just like constant fucking

1243
00:54:13,681 --> 00:54:14,321
Speaker 3: the whole time.

1244
00:54:14,881 --> 00:54:16,521
Speaker 2: You want to have it like a hangout.

1245
00:54:16,961 --> 00:54:18,521
Speaker 3: Yeah, like there is a fun like when we do.

1246
00:54:18,601 --> 00:54:20,361
Speaker 3: Like one of my favorite bookings is like the two

1247
00:54:20,401 --> 00:54:22,761
Speaker 3: hours in Our two Hours Bedroom Play. That's funny. Go

1248
00:54:22,801 --> 00:54:24,521
Speaker 3: out for dinner, you have a few drinks, you get

1249
00:54:24,561 --> 00:54:27,001
Speaker 3: to know each other, get a bit tipsy, a bit flirty,

1250
00:54:27,001 --> 00:54:28,681
Speaker 3: a bit naughty at the bar, and then you go.

1251
00:54:29,201 --> 00:54:29,961
Speaker 3: I like those.

1252
00:54:30,761 --> 00:54:33,161
Speaker 1: I've done a couple of twenty four hour bookings.

1253
00:54:33,321 --> 00:54:35,041
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of twenty four hour bookings, but

1254
00:54:35,081 --> 00:54:38,041
Speaker 3: I just find it hard to go home. I just yeah,

1255
00:54:38,241 --> 00:54:39,961
Speaker 3: most girls would say this, but I think I'm not

1256
00:54:40,041 --> 00:54:42,121
Speaker 3: very professional when it comes to that. I'm not the

1257
00:54:42,161 --> 00:54:46,841
Speaker 3: best at just like like keeping my mouth shut as

1258
00:54:46,881 --> 00:54:49,721
Speaker 3: you can tell about my socials.

1259
00:54:50,601 --> 00:54:51,961
Speaker 2: So what does the future hole for you?

1260
00:54:52,561 --> 00:54:56,681
Speaker 3: Great question. I'm seeing a psychic tomorrow, so I really yah, yeah,

1261
00:54:57,081 --> 00:54:59,801
Speaker 3: what the future holds for me? I don't know, babe.

1262
00:55:00,121 --> 00:55:03,561
Speaker 3: I would like to stay in this industry. I would

1263
00:55:03,721 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: like to do something within the industry, so with sex,

1264
00:55:06,481 --> 00:55:08,761
Speaker 3: I would like to move towards working with women as well,

1265
00:55:08,761 --> 00:55:12,441
Speaker 3: with like confidence, sex tips, advice and making a space

1266
00:55:12,441 --> 00:55:16,561
Speaker 3: for them and move out of full service work eventually.

1267
00:55:16,881 --> 00:55:19,121
Speaker 3: I'm probably not done with it yet, but I'd like

1268
00:55:19,201 --> 00:55:21,681
Speaker 3: to use what I've got, what knowledge I have in

1269
00:55:21,721 --> 00:55:24,361
Speaker 3: this industry. I've just enrolled to do like a sex

1270
00:55:24,481 --> 00:55:27,841
Speaker 3: therapy course just to learn some new stuff under the

1271
00:55:27,881 --> 00:55:30,361
Speaker 3: sex umbrella.

1272
00:55:31,241 --> 00:55:32,241
Speaker 2: What are you learning in that?

1273
00:55:32,401 --> 00:55:33,601
Speaker 1: Great question? I'm not quite sure.

1274
00:55:33,641 --> 00:55:36,801
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it's like sex therapy, sex counseling

1275
00:55:37,281 --> 00:55:39,601
Speaker 3: people that have like a low libido, people that aren't

1276
00:55:39,601 --> 00:55:41,401
Speaker 3: in touch with their bodies and that sort of thing,

1277
00:55:41,441 --> 00:55:43,841
Speaker 3: and like guiding them because I have all the knowledge

1278
00:55:43,881 --> 00:55:46,241
Speaker 3: but not the structure of how I could facilitate that

1279
00:55:46,281 --> 00:55:48,161
Speaker 3: to help somebody, and I'd like to do that. I

1280
00:55:48,161 --> 00:55:50,001
Speaker 3: think that would be really rewarding for men and for

1281
00:55:50,081 --> 00:55:51,761
Speaker 3: women because a lot of the men that I see

1282
00:55:51,801 --> 00:55:55,201
Speaker 3: are not having any intimacy. A lot of them they're

1283
00:55:55,201 --> 00:55:57,641
Speaker 3: a bit shut off and how to connect with women.

1284
00:55:57,721 --> 00:55:59,681
Speaker 3: Like I find that men are just more and more

1285
00:55:59,721 --> 00:56:04,001
Speaker 3: like less likely to approach. They're more sensitive to rejection.

1286
00:56:04,081 --> 00:56:05,561
Speaker 3: Now I feel rejection.

1287
00:56:06,241 --> 00:56:07,401
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that.

1288
00:56:07,681 --> 00:56:10,961
Speaker 3: The more we evolve, the more men are kind of

1289
00:56:11,521 --> 00:56:14,121
Speaker 3: getting more scared, yeah, to be rejected, and they're not

1290
00:56:14,161 --> 00:56:16,161
Speaker 3: putting themselves out there as much. People are having a

1291
00:56:16,201 --> 00:56:19,521
Speaker 3: lot less sex than ever, and that is something that

1292
00:56:19,521 --> 00:56:21,521
Speaker 3: I would like to like educate people and how you

1293
00:56:21,561 --> 00:56:23,921
Speaker 3: can evolve, like how you can approach and not let

1294
00:56:23,961 --> 00:56:25,561
Speaker 3: rejection Like I mean, I worked at a brotheld get

1295
00:56:25,561 --> 00:56:28,441
Speaker 3: rejected all day every day. It's not a big deal.

1296
00:56:28,641 --> 00:56:32,721
Speaker 3: Like it's not Yeah, you'd get rejected. Yeah, there's like

1297
00:56:32,801 --> 00:56:34,481
Speaker 3: seven girls.

1298
00:56:35,361 --> 00:56:36,001
Speaker 1: That'd be like that.

1299
00:56:36,081 --> 00:56:37,161
Speaker 3: I know, I don't want to see you know, I

1300
00:56:37,161 --> 00:56:38,801
Speaker 3: don't want to see you. Know, you stand there and

1301
00:56:38,801 --> 00:56:41,321
Speaker 3: your lingerie. I'm naked in front of these people being like, HI,

1302
00:56:41,521 --> 00:56:44,361
Speaker 3: choose me, and they're saying no. You get rejected all

1303
00:56:44,401 --> 00:56:46,481
Speaker 3: the time, but the part of rejections, you need to

1304
00:56:46,481 --> 00:56:49,761
Speaker 3: be rejected to build up the muscle to facilitate being rejected.

1305
00:56:49,881 --> 00:56:53,121
Speaker 3: So the more people are too scared to approach, they're

1306
00:56:53,201 --> 00:56:55,801
Speaker 3: just hindering themselves more and more. So I'm finding with

1307
00:56:55,841 --> 00:56:57,681
Speaker 3: a lot of clients they're not and they're like good

1308
00:56:57,681 --> 00:57:00,841
Speaker 3: looking men, successful men, you know, they're not approaching people.

1309
00:57:00,921 --> 00:57:04,041
Speaker 3: So then being starved of intimacy, and it's happening on

1310
00:57:04,121 --> 00:57:07,161
Speaker 3: both ends of the genders. So like doing something and

1311
00:57:07,241 --> 00:57:10,681
Speaker 3: that would be cool bring people's confidence back up in

1312
00:57:10,761 --> 00:57:13,241
Speaker 3: like in woods. So if you're confidence with yourself, confident

1313
00:57:13,241 --> 00:57:16,361
Speaker 3: with yourself, rejections on an issue. So I see that

1314
00:57:16,401 --> 00:57:18,201
Speaker 3: as like a sort of an underlying issue that I'm

1315
00:57:18,241 --> 00:57:20,281
Speaker 3: witnessing in this job. So I would like to do

1316
00:57:20,321 --> 00:57:22,321
Speaker 3: something in that in the future. Yeah. You ever been

1317
00:57:22,321 --> 00:57:25,241
Speaker 3: approached by sexpert sex bo?

1318
00:57:25,481 --> 00:57:25,641
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1319
00:57:25,721 --> 00:57:27,641
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've worked at sex bog before you worked at

1320
00:57:27,641 --> 00:57:29,441
Speaker 3: sex both. I've worked at sex bo and I've just gone,

1321
00:57:29,881 --> 00:57:32,841
Speaker 3: but sex bo has been finished something else.

1322
00:57:33,641 --> 00:57:35,881
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was supposed to my podcast was going

1323
00:57:35,921 --> 00:57:37,281
Speaker 2: to be involved it for the past two years.

1324
00:57:37,361 --> 00:57:40,441
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so yeah it's on.

1325
00:57:40,601 --> 00:57:41,041
Speaker 2: It was on.

1326
00:57:41,121 --> 00:57:44,161
Speaker 1: It's funny how underworled and sex work alike connected.

1327
00:57:44,441 --> 00:57:44,641
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1328
00:57:44,681 --> 00:57:47,121
Speaker 3: I've emrested to a guy once. He's like I was

1329
00:57:47,121 --> 00:57:49,681
Speaker 3: talking about my job because I've dated in this job

1330
00:57:49,721 --> 00:57:51,081
Speaker 3: before and it's like, well, it's kind of like you're

1331
00:57:51,081 --> 00:57:52,481
Speaker 3: a drug dealer. I'm like, it's not like I'm a

1332
00:57:52,481 --> 00:57:55,041
Speaker 3: fucking drug dealer. Like one's illegal, like this is the

1333
00:57:55,081 --> 00:57:58,241
Speaker 3: way you see this job. One is like seriously illegal,

1334
00:57:58,241 --> 00:58:00,201
Speaker 3: and one of them's not, like what do you mean?

1335
00:58:00,801 --> 00:58:03,601
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can see how they kind of connect.

1336
00:58:04,601 --> 00:58:07,881
Speaker 2: Is a question, and I ask everybody, Okay, any regrets.

1337
00:58:09,561 --> 00:58:11,361
Speaker 1: No, everything's happened for a reason.

1338
00:58:11,641 --> 00:58:13,241
Speaker 2: No, don't give me up. That's this ship.

1339
00:58:14,281 --> 00:58:15,121
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got.

1340
00:58:14,961 --> 00:58:18,001
Speaker 3: Lots of regrets. Yeah, yeah, mainly that all kinds of

1341
00:58:18,001 --> 00:58:20,561
Speaker 3: the same thing. It's just not going for things, just

1342
00:58:20,601 --> 00:58:22,761
Speaker 3: not going for things and like throwing yourself into the

1343
00:58:22,801 --> 00:58:26,121
Speaker 3: deep end that like withholding and holding yourself back. I'd

1344
00:58:26,121 --> 00:58:28,921
Speaker 3: say that's a regret not going for things more when

1345
00:58:28,961 --> 00:58:31,121
Speaker 3: they come up. Yeah, you answer.

1346
00:58:31,321 --> 00:58:34,241
Speaker 2: You brought up something before which I've just remembered now

1347
00:58:34,321 --> 00:58:37,161
Speaker 2: and it was about you get answered. This a lot

1348
00:58:37,201 --> 00:58:41,081
Speaker 2: of questions a lot, and it's about relationships. So while

1349
00:58:41,121 --> 00:58:44,921
Speaker 2: you're in this industry, you wouldn't you wouldn't date I would,

1350
00:58:45,641 --> 00:58:47,721
Speaker 2: or you would I would? Yeah, would you tell the

1351
00:58:47,761 --> 00:58:48,961
Speaker 2: person if you didn't know.

1352
00:58:49,961 --> 00:58:51,641
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's hard for me to keep it

1353
00:58:51,641 --> 00:58:52,201
Speaker 1: a secret.

1354
00:58:52,681 --> 00:58:55,201
Speaker 2: Well, it depends, because you know, I mean a lot

1355
00:58:55,241 --> 00:58:57,121
Speaker 2: of who've come in here before have kept it a

1356
00:58:57,201 --> 00:58:59,121
Speaker 2: secret and they've told me, Oh, I just tell them.

1357
00:58:59,121 --> 00:59:02,281
Speaker 2: I think one was working in Brisbane. She was in

1358
00:59:02,321 --> 00:59:04,081
Speaker 2: Brisbane and when I interviewed, and she would say she

1359
00:59:04,121 --> 00:59:05,561
Speaker 2: worked on a night club. You know what I mean.

1360
00:59:05,601 --> 00:59:09,601
Speaker 2: But it depends. That's just a question. Would you tell them? Yeah?

1361
00:59:09,601 --> 00:59:12,881
Speaker 1: I tell them all pretty much straight out of the gate.

1362
00:59:13,401 --> 00:59:15,561
Speaker 2: But how would you find someone to have a relationship

1363
00:59:15,641 --> 00:59:18,121
Speaker 2: with because you're always working it would it be through

1364
00:59:18,121 --> 00:59:20,521
Speaker 2: the client or would it be if that one time

1365
00:59:20,561 --> 00:59:21,521
Speaker 2: when you're out with your friends.

1366
00:59:22,241 --> 00:59:24,801
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I just meet people. How any other

1367
00:59:24,841 --> 00:59:26,721
Speaker 3: person that has a job meets people. I probably have

1368
00:59:26,801 --> 00:59:29,561
Speaker 3: more availability. I work a lot less hours. Most people

1369
00:59:29,561 --> 00:59:31,521
Speaker 3: are working about forty hours a week. I've clock on

1370
00:59:31,601 --> 00:59:34,121
Speaker 3: five if I want to. So if anyone's got more

1371
00:59:34,161 --> 00:59:36,521
Speaker 3: time to be in a relationship, it's me. I would

1372
00:59:36,521 --> 00:59:38,081
Speaker 3: just meet them. How anyone else in any other job

1373
00:59:38,121 --> 00:59:41,481
Speaker 3: would There is obviously the conversation of me doing this job,

1374
00:59:41,561 --> 00:59:44,361
Speaker 3: but I'd probably let it slide as soon as the

1375
00:59:44,361 --> 00:59:47,721
Speaker 3: conversation comes up of what they do. I tend to

1376
00:59:47,801 --> 00:59:49,561
Speaker 3: dance around what people do for a job, though for

1377
00:59:49,561 --> 00:59:51,401
Speaker 3: a bit I'm like, what do.

1378
00:59:51,361 --> 00:59:54,641
Speaker 1: You like to do for fun? What holidays do you like?

1379
00:59:55,481 --> 00:59:57,681
Speaker 1: You know, like, what are you passionate about?

1380
00:59:57,721 --> 00:59:59,561
Speaker 2: Those sorts of questions.

1381
01:00:01,601 --> 01:00:03,561
Speaker 3: I just wouldn't honestly, I just wouldn't be in a

1382
01:00:03,561 --> 01:00:05,041
Speaker 3: relationship with someone that I had to lie.

1383
01:00:05,081 --> 01:00:07,481
Speaker 1: I'm a very transparent person. It's one of my values.

1384
01:00:07,561 --> 01:00:09,481
Speaker 3: So I would like to be with somebody that can

1385
01:00:09,561 --> 01:00:11,641
Speaker 3: meet me in that same respect, and if I had

1386
01:00:11,681 --> 01:00:14,361
Speaker 3: to lie about it, I just wouldn't be being myself.

1387
01:00:14,641 --> 01:00:18,081
Speaker 3: So one day I'll meet someone that could have it's

1388
01:00:18,081 --> 01:00:20,601
Speaker 3: more so meeting someone that has the capacity for it.

1389
01:00:20,601 --> 01:00:24,361
Speaker 3: It's not impossible, but it's not as easy, but it's

1390
01:00:24,361 --> 01:00:26,041
Speaker 3: definitely out there. There are a lot of girls to

1391
01:00:26,121 --> 01:00:28,561
Speaker 3: do what I do, that are in really loving relationships

1392
01:00:28,601 --> 01:00:32,081
Speaker 3: with people, And I do think that to date someone

1393
01:00:32,121 --> 01:00:34,561
Speaker 3: in this industry you have to have a level of

1394
01:00:34,641 --> 01:00:37,081
Speaker 3: vulnerability about yourself because it's very vulnerable. There's a lot

1395
01:00:37,121 --> 01:00:41,281
Speaker 3: of like difficult conversations and a lot of insecurities come up.

1396
01:00:41,361 --> 01:00:43,681
Speaker 3: So you have an opportunity to have a really deep

1397
01:00:43,721 --> 01:00:44,841
Speaker 3: bond with somebody, but.

1398
01:00:44,881 --> 01:00:48,081
Speaker 2: Also depends what your goal is for the future before

1399
01:00:48,121 --> 01:00:50,241
Speaker 2: you get into that relationship. Do you want to do

1400
01:00:50,281 --> 01:00:52,681
Speaker 2: you want a long term relationship? Do you want a family?

1401
01:00:52,721 --> 01:00:54,561
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? That's the thing. And to

1402
01:00:54,641 --> 01:00:58,401
Speaker 2: me at the moment, by asking you what your goals were,

1403
01:00:58,681 --> 01:01:01,081
Speaker 2: your goals are to be for you at the moment,

1404
01:01:01,561 --> 01:01:04,121
Speaker 2: but to be single to make them goals happen.

1405
01:01:04,321 --> 01:01:04,841
Speaker 1: Well, I do.

1406
01:01:05,041 --> 01:01:06,961
Speaker 3: I think that a woman has more chance of getting

1407
01:01:06,961 --> 01:01:09,721
Speaker 3: these things done being single. Yeah, as soon as I'm

1408
01:01:09,761 --> 01:01:14,481
Speaker 3: in love, forget about it, I'm a different person. I'm like, oh, baby,

1409
01:01:14,641 --> 01:01:17,561
Speaker 3: I love you, can me cuddle. I want to cuddle,

1410
01:01:17,721 --> 01:01:20,801
Speaker 3: give me kids. Like it's hard to clock on and

1411
01:01:20,841 --> 01:01:22,401
Speaker 3: be what I need to be in this job to

1412
01:01:22,401 --> 01:01:24,881
Speaker 3: get it done, which is very in charge, and where

1413
01:01:24,881 --> 01:01:28,281
Speaker 3: in my relationship life, I'm very different, you know. I

1414
01:01:28,321 --> 01:01:29,761
Speaker 3: want to switch off. I want to just be like

1415
01:01:29,801 --> 01:01:32,681
Speaker 3: little baby girl. So it does clash a little bit.

1416
01:01:34,001 --> 01:01:35,961
Speaker 3: But yeah, I do see a relationship for me in

1417
01:01:36,001 --> 01:01:38,241
Speaker 3: the future. But honestly, I don't really look at relationships

1418
01:01:38,281 --> 01:01:41,801
Speaker 3: as the end goal anymore, as I don't have it

1419
01:01:41,881 --> 01:01:45,161
Speaker 3: on a pedestal like I used to. I yet to

1420
01:01:45,281 --> 01:01:50,081
Speaker 3: meet somebody that has shown me that that's worth changing

1421
01:01:50,121 --> 01:01:52,041
Speaker 3: my life as well, and that sort of thing. And

1422
01:01:52,081 --> 01:01:53,721
Speaker 3: I don't think I would change my life for somebody

1423
01:01:53,801 --> 01:01:56,761
Speaker 3: either have to meet somebody where they accept where I'm

1424
01:01:56,801 --> 01:01:59,161
Speaker 3: at or after the fact. But it's just not like

1425
01:01:59,201 --> 01:02:04,161
Speaker 3: a being married with kids isn't the goal anymore. But

1426
01:02:04,241 --> 01:02:05,001
Speaker 3: it would be nice.

1427
01:02:05,121 --> 01:02:06,281
Speaker 2: Describe yourself in one word.

1428
01:02:07,681 --> 01:02:08,281
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1429
01:02:10,241 --> 01:02:11,561
Speaker 1: One word describe me.

1430
01:02:12,721 --> 01:02:14,041
Speaker 2: I'd say confident.

1431
01:02:15,201 --> 01:02:15,281
Speaker 3: Me.

1432
01:02:15,481 --> 01:02:18,641
Speaker 2: I look at you, very confident, confident. Yeah, but then

1433
01:02:18,801 --> 01:02:21,241
Speaker 2: there's other things you could say, like the charismatic.

1434
01:02:21,561 --> 01:02:22,721
Speaker 1: Do you feel like I'm charismatic?

1435
01:02:23,001 --> 01:02:24,961
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can. There's a lot of other words

1436
01:02:24,961 --> 01:02:25,441
Speaker 2: you could.

1437
01:02:25,921 --> 01:02:29,921
Speaker 3: Use for you, funny, intelligent, gorgeous, That's okay, that's all

1438
01:02:29,961 --> 01:02:32,841
Speaker 3: I calm down, said to me. What are ten words

1439
01:02:32,961 --> 01:02:37,841
Speaker 3: straight away? But just one indecisive? Yeah okay, yeah as well.

1440
01:02:37,801 --> 01:02:40,721
Speaker 1: Hence the unable to pick one word. But I'll take confident.

1441
01:02:40,761 --> 01:02:41,081
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1442
01:02:41,921 --> 01:02:44,281
Speaker 2: Where can we find you if we want to book

1443
01:02:44,321 --> 01:02:46,161
Speaker 2: you for this? You know when your price goes up

1444
01:02:46,201 --> 01:02:49,321
Speaker 2: and there or social media? So tell me where where

1445
01:02:49,361 --> 01:02:49,961
Speaker 2: can we find you?

1446
01:02:50,041 --> 01:02:53,241
Speaker 3: So my Instagram and my TikTok is Bondai, Bratt, Underscore,

1447
01:02:53,321 --> 01:02:56,081
Speaker 3: Underscore and if you wanted to book a time with me.

1448
01:02:56,441 --> 01:02:59,241
Speaker 3: It is Chelsea c R on Scarlet Blue.

1449
01:02:59,481 --> 01:03:01,561
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I want to say thank you for coming on.

1450
01:03:01,961 --> 01:03:06,001
Speaker 2: You've you've. Actually I knew it was going to be

1451
01:03:06,081 --> 01:03:07,761
Speaker 2: kind of this kind of interview, which was good. It

1452
01:03:07,841 --> 01:03:09,521
Speaker 2: was fun. It was fun, and it was always so

1453
01:03:09,641 --> 01:03:12,441
Speaker 2: serious to in where it needed to be. And you're

1454
01:03:12,441 --> 01:03:13,481
Speaker 2: a nice person. I like that.

1455
01:03:13,801 --> 01:03:14,281
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1456
01:03:14,361 --> 01:03:16,361
Speaker 2: So I've enjoyed having your company. It's been good.

1457
01:03:16,561 --> 01:03:36,081
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Yeah,