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Speaker 1: And now you're working together and love that. A team,

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Speaker 2: So we are we're out of your studio here and

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Speaker 1: play in that playoff. You want to you want to

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00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: win that trophy for us going into a kinetic kinetic

433
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, into the deep dark corners where where the

434
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 1: fight is at its highest order. We want that, right,

435
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: This is what we trained our whole lives to do,

436
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,479
Speaker 1: especially going through the through the ship of becoming a

437
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 1: power and marine. I was a sniper. I was a

438
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: primary fires operator, you know, I controlled bombs in the air,

439
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 1: I controlled drones, I controlled aircraft's. I was a point man.

440
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's very hard when you and again

441
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: just putting it bluntly, when you when you taste blood,

442
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: to not be like a dog on a bloodlust. You know,

443
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: it's when you when you punch that hole and you're

444
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: like and you're in the moment, and it's you know,

445
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: it's like at first you're like, you know, you're you

446
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: are literally you need you need you or your your

447
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 1: mucker to recognize that. And this is in the heat

448
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: of the night to recognize that, to fucking pull you

449
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: back into check, which we were doing also, you know,

450
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: very first few missions, pulling each other back, going fucking

451
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: look like calm you know, once that room was clear, right,

452
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,479
Speaker 1: fucking calm yourself down, room clear, Let's regather, let's regather

453
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: our thoughts. Where we go in next right into the

454
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: next door and tell straight away people could tell with me.

455
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: And it's but that's where teamwork comes into play. It's

456
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: not just a case of me having your back and

457
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: you're having your back. Is me grabbing you because I

458
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: know that this fucking firefighters has got the better of you.

459
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: And and it's really the psychological side behind being a

460
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: Special Forces operator goes way beyond the mission. You know,

461
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: people say, you know what, be dedicated and committed to

462
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: the cause. I'm like, we're Special Forces operators. You better

463
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: believe we're dedicating and committed. That's not an added extra.

464
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: We don't come into work and go, let's be dedicating.

465
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: That's already ingrained. That's in my DNA, that's in my blood.

466
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: It's about being dedicated and committed to each other, right

467
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,479
Speaker 1: because the mission, the mission is there. It's about you know,

468
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: getting everyone through that mission, being dedicated and committed, just knowing,

469
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, knowing that something's not right and pulling you

470
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: into check. That's what it's about.

471
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: And I was watching last time. I was watching Blood

472
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: Diamond first time. Soon love that film.

473
00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 5: I love that film and Liberia and I'm watching the

474
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 5: film and you're dealing with child soldiers and like so

475
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 5: many levels of tragedy.

476
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 3: You you were a VIP security in Africa.

477
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Speaker 1: So that was after so I was. I actually done

478
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: a tour of duty in sarah Leone when I was

479
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: in the rural Marines. So the private security stuff came

480
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: after due to the contact that I made in sarah Leone.

481
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: So I was out there in two thousand and five,

482
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Speaker 1: two thousand and six doing a short term training team,

483
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: so teaching them elite jungle warfare tactics basically. You know,

484
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: it's sarahly onions a great people. They've got a wonderful

485
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: country full of minerals, you know, very rich, but just

486
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: very corrupt unfortunately. But their military are great. And when

487
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: I left the military, I got a phone call from

488
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: the Attorney General saying, you know, we are now part

489
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: of NATO. Can you can you come and train our

490
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: first ever snipers to deploy to Somalia. So I took

491
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: that contract on straight away. So I trained their first

492
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: ever snipers in Seraly and I trained three batches of

493
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: them to send over to Somalia. So that's where that's

494
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: sort of when I left the military, I went straight

495
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 1: into sort of like a government military job anyway, So

496
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: that was my role in serah Lyone. But what a

497
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: great country, great people, and it is my favorite country

498
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: in the world.

499
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it like working with NATO compared to

500
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 3: what you were used to? You know, given there's a

501
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 3: lot of red tape as far as NATO's concerned.

502
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: Do you know what being a private contractor is great,

503
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: but you haven't got the top cover. You know, you

504
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: haven't got the top cover of the military, especially the

505
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: special forces. You know, the missions that we've done were

506
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: so highly kinetic and dangerous but safe at the same

507
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 1: time because you know, above me, I had two apaches.

508
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: The gunship, I had a fixed wing, that's it. I

509
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: had two drones I had you know, I could cool

510
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: him fast air. Whenever I wanted, I could call in

511
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: the apaches to take out and neutralize a direct target,

512
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, so they were constantly at our disposal. When

513
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: I left the military, that top cover just went You're

514
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: al yeah, you're almost out there by yourself. So even

515
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: though I'm training these these these soldiers that the I

516
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: am the top cover. You know, it's it's a whole

517
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: different world and you don't feel unsettled by it, but

518
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, you're out there by yourself.

519
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: Says Australia. Yeah, it's a fantastic show. First question someone

520
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: that we're very close to, Sam Burgers. Sam Burgers, how

521
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 3: could Sam burge How long would it take? Sam Burgess,

522
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: do you think or to become a Special Forces.

523
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: He'd have to shrink his head first, because he is

524
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: a sniper's dream. And talk about American sniper. I could

525
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: hit that head from two k from the hip. You

526
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: know what when he when he got stuck in the tube,

527
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: it was his shoulder that got stuck. It was his head.

528
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: I remember just looking through in his bolder heat. Now,

529
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: do you know what someone like Sammy is? Do you

530
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: know what?

531
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: It is?

532
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: Disciplined. That's what differentiates us, the British Special Forces from

533
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: from the rest. Is not that we've got no different weapons,

534
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: no different tech. It's just the the attention to detail

535
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: through being consistently disciplined at a level where that grain

536
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: of rice is out of place, that that that is outplay.

537
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, that is so finicky and you're you're you're

538
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: sort of acted from such a young ages as the

539
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: military in general. And then what I didn't realize when

540
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: I joined the Marines is that I was being pushed

541
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: down the special Forces route due to my potential, et cetera,

542
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: et cetera. But the attention to detail that we have

543
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: and the minor details and the psychological work that we do,

544
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: which you know is the biggest, best kept secret of

545
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom Special Forces is way beyond what anyone

546
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: else does.

547
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: Well.

548
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: You see, like from sporting background, particularly Sam, you see

549
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: sporting teams always draw on military for inspiration above for lessons,

550
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: like we used to do army camps when I was

551
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: at the Melbourne Storm. And the biggest lesson you take

552
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: from is when and it's actually hard in today's society,

553
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 2: pushing pushing players and pushing people past a breaking point,

554
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: like you know, for safety reasons. But back in those days,

555
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: particularly Sam would have experienced when you push someone so

556
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: far beyond a breaking point, the less you take from yourself,

557
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 2: like the lessons you learn about yourself. When Sam went

558
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: on that show, you can see that's a bloke who's

559
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: just done. He's had so much work, particularly psychologically, so

560
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: mentally resilient. Like that bleeds through the TV, like the

561
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: whole audience sort of could notice that.

562
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: Mate.

563
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: I got in his face as well. I was calling

564
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: him a big headed more on and you fucking perfetic,

565
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: you have failed this course. And I was spitting in this,

566
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, because I was just waiting for a crack.

567
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: All I want, all I want from people, and I'm

568
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: not waiting for a crack in a in a in

569
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: a bullying type of way, or in a crack in

570
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: your personality that needs developing, right, it's got nothing to do.

571
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: I want to develop your weakness, so you know, I

572
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: don't want to play to your strength. So I know

573
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: where your strengths are. I'm happy with that. You know,

574
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: I can almost go. Do you know what? That's seventy

575
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: percent of you done. That's what I do. That's what

576
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: I do with every single recruit. I go right where

577
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: their strengths. You're happy with that, you don't need to

578
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: work on that. Where's their weaknesses, where's their insecurities? You know,

579
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: where where their cracks? And all I want to do

580
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: is dig into them and find the tools that they

581
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: need to develop that. And that's exactly what I was

582
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: doing with Sam. And you know, the one time that

583
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: Sam cracked is when he silly couldn't get through that tube.

584
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: That was awful to watch. I feel claustrophobic watching it.

585
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this story about this and just

586
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: quickly so we've got we start off. We we're there

587
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: two three weeks before you know doing I'm doing everything.

588
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm jumping out the helicopters doing all the rehearsals, making

589
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: sure because everything we put them through we go through.

590
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: But then when the tubes came up, you know, going

591
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: through there and and you know, this is about cluster,

592
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: it's about you know, facing your fears and phobias, and

593
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: that one was claustrophobia. Darkness had loads of loads of

594
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: things in there. And when we first got there, there

595
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: was two big two tubes, one big tube and one

596
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: small tube. And I said to the to the producer,

597
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I said, why have you got two tubes here? They said,

598
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: because some people are bigger than others, because I don't

599
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: want to know who's on the course at this stage.

600
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, no, that's that's you know, we've

601
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: got got to be one tube. It's a small tube.

602
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: And they're like, but you know, we've got some big people.

603
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: And so so I know I'll get Foxy. I go, Foxy,

604
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: come over here, and there's a bit of tube laying

605
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: down and he sort of all he does is he

606
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: he's I think he just puts his shoulders in there

607
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: and then he comes out and I said, look, fox

608
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: he's a big guy, do you know what I mean?

609
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: I said that foxy can fit in there, anyone can

610
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: feel So get rid of the big tube. We're going

611
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: with the small tube. So and at this stage I'm

612
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: putting people through. They're wizzing through, and then you know

613
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: these and then all of a sudden, I'm thinking to myself,

614
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, God, Sam's a big guy, and I say,

615
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: I say to him, right, and I put him last

616
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: on purpose. So when he gets stuck in the tube,

617
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: the moment he he says, stuff, I'm stuck.

618
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: I can't get through.

619
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: I lifted up the flat, which kept it dark in there,

620
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, what do you mean You're stuck?

621
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: But I'm not. I'm not shipping around. I'm not joking

622
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: about I am stuck. I went, I went shut the head.

623
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: I just told him to calm down. So at this stage,

624
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 1: my whole career is just flashing from Front Health and Safety,

625
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, and Middleton kills blah blah blah. I'm thinking,

626
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, in order to get this tube out, we're

627
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: going to have to dig it out and crane it

628
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: out and crane Sam's big fat head out of there.

629
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: So Michaels, So I left up the flat nice and cool.

630
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: When I say to him, I say number. I forgot

631
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: the number. He wasn't number twelve. I think, so number

632
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: number twelve. I said, I shouldn't be telling you this,

633
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: but do you not think that we've put someone bigger

634
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: than you through this fucking tube?

635
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: All right?

636
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: And you see him, he's looking up, he's got these

637
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: little puppy dog eyes at this day because he is

638
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: literally dying. You need for your sake now, I needed

639
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: to talk about psychological mind games, so I say to him,

640
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: and you can see something just tweaked inside of him.

641
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: And I've been stuck in it what's called smarty tube before,

642
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: with all my kit on it down at Limbston through

643
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: raw marine training, and all I'd done to get out,

644
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: I literally couldn't move, but I just pushed my toes.

645
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: All I've done with my toes was wo bend them

646
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,239
Speaker 1: back and just inch myself inch by inch. And then

647
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: when I said that, you know, do you not think

648
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: we put it? That gave him that sense of hope,

649
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: that sense of belief right which change. I could see

650
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: it in his eyes. I could literally And then when

651
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: I told him the technique to push with his toes,

652
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: he'd done that for about forty five minutes until I

653
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: could reach in grab his hand and sort of put

654
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: him out of the tube. And then obviously my career

655
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: came flourishing back to me. O. Yes, but that was

656
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: that was the moment that I thought to myself, Ah,

657
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, this is where you know claustaphobia, tight spaces,

658
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: This is a fear and phobia.

659
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: It's funny when the human mind, when the human mind

660
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: knows see someone else to or knows someone else has

661
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: done It's like the form minute mile that hadn't been cracked.

662
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: Someone cracked someone training in air lock. Yeah, it can't

663
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: be done.

664
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think they stripped all the oxygen

665
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: out of the day when I was doing it. But

666
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: when somebody, you know, somebody breaks the formulut, my people

667
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: think it's not possible. And then I think, within twelve months,

668
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: like another three or four people did it. Just the

669
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: belief of someone doing it.

670
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: But he's purely psychological, you know, Mattie, when you look

671
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: at it, it's purely psychological. And that's what I say, you know,

672
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: when that's why we demonstrate everything I go wrong. I'm

673
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: going to tell you this once once only watching to

674
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: the demonstration. We're going to explain it once it's over

675
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: to you and that we do it, and they go, right,

676
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: it can be done, and then it's a case of right,

677
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: he's done it his way, how do I do it

678
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: my way? So then then there's that, and then there's

679
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: like if I do it my way, do I trust myself?

680
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: You know?

681
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: Am I capable of doing this? All this self doubt

682
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: comes in that you put on yourself. And this is

683
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: the interesting psychological aspect of the show. And this is

684
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: why I love love doing it because when you it's

685
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: so much more when I first started out there, like

686
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: the production cup, just do a boot camp, you know,

687
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: just no, no, no, no goes so much, don't you know,

688
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: don't belittle me, you know, don't don't don't you go

689
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: so much deeper than this. And then when you Sackly

690
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: see it, like you said, you thought you in that tube,

691
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: you thought that's what the show's about.

692
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: You're right now the other the other end of the

693
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: uh spectrum on that show, that series, which I actually

694
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: had done, be too hard because actually I think towards

695
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: the end he really redeemed himself and you saw the

696
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: dooms he was battling. Was Mark phillipursas. But the bit

697
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: that I still laugh when they're all about all the

698
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: contestants are about to go into into the water a

699
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 3: swimming challenge. I forget exactly what it was, but everyone's

700
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: got their their gear and they go, okay, is it

701
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 3: one ready? And Phils go, can I just say something?

702
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: What he goes, I've just got a sandwich in my bag,

703
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: is aye gon plastic bag that I could rap it.

704
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: I love it when things are because normally it's one

705
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: of the other dsque They wouldn't dare say it if

706
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: I was if I was running the stance. So normally

707
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: it's one of the other ds running it, you know.

708
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: And so and I'm in the background of my ears

709
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: prick up and I'm just like step aside. And that's

710
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: what I love about it as well, you know, And

711
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: people say, you know, and are you like this in

712
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: real life? You screaming?

713
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, this this is this is the the

714
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 4: the disciplinarian military instructor, you know, I dealt this is

715
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: why the all the instructors are so different. You know.

716
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: Olie's got a softer approach. Foxes, you know, more of

717
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: a sort of sit back, take it all in person,

718
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm in your face, you know, up your rs as such,

719
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: because I dealt well with that in the military, when

720
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: I had a military instructor that was on my ass

721
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: telling me if I didn't get to the front of

722
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: the group, they were going to kick my head in,

723
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: that he was going to, you know, pummel me in

724
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: after this, and you know, how dare you know? And

725
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: he's in my my ears ringing. I reacted well to that.

726
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what made me actually go, I don't

727
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: want this guy on my ass, you know, and I'd

728
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: get to the front of the group. Where some people

729
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: don't deal well with that. Some people you know more

730
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: of a right. You know, you're better than this. You

731
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: know you've old you've let yourself down, and you've let

732
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: the team down, exactly, you let your family. So that's

733
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: that's that's why I do it, because that's how I

734
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: reacted well in the military. So all I'm doing is

735
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: reciprocating what worked for me, and then then then that

736
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: might be your time to step in and go right,

737
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: that's not working for him. This is where Foxy steps in,

738
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: This is where Olie steps in.

739
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 3: Coop said before all the things that you've done and experienced.

740
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: Yet you're a great judge of character when when you

741
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: when you're seeing it straight away, when the contestants comes

742
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: through one by one, can you go they're going to

743
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: make it? They're not, do you know? Straight away? Get instinctively,

744
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: you know, straight away.

745
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: I know within the and that's why we thrash them.

746
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: And they're probably giving it away a little bit here.

747
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: But it's a technique that we use, which is called

748
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: when we process them, you know, when we strip them

749
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: down and we give them their numbers and we give

750
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: them you know, there's a whole reason behind that. We're

751
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: not just you know, basically stripping them from being a

752
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: civilian and sort of into into a military individual. I'most

753
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: assessing absolutely. That's why give my main brief and I

754
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: step back from that, because I can just tell by

755
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: their demeanor, by the way they're looking around, you know,

756
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: by the by you know, by their gates, by the

757
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: by the way they're holding themselves, if they're disciplined, I

758
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: can tell if they're if they're here for the right reasons.

759
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: I can tell if they're if they're committed to the

760
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: to the cause, if they if they're just going to

761
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, surrender themselves to the process. I can tell

762
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: that within the first five minutes, just by someone. You know.

763
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: It's just like I can just tell and those people

764
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: that are just there listening in, taking it all in,

765
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: doing their own stuff at the beginning, because that's what

766
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: you do. You want to do your own ship to

767
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: make sure that you're squared away in that processing phase

768
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: because nothing teamwork about it. It's like, right, he's telling

769
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: me how to act, he's telling me how to dress,

770
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: he's telling me how to I need to do things.

771
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: Can I take that in from day dot and then

772
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: from the very first command thereafter? I know who who who?

773
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 1: The people that are there for the right reasons.

774
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 3: Right society. And do you think do you think generation

775
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 3: by generation we are getting.

776
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: Softer, softer physically, yes, but we're getting way more savvy.

777
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: You know, you look at Special Forces selection right now,

778
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: the the you know, you just had to be a hard,

779
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: hard guy, do you know, I mean resilient. You know,

780
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: you put your house on your back, you know, travel

781
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: over the mountains, you know, pick up a weapon, be

782
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: safe with it, get into a firefights. Endurance, resilience and hardship.

783
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: Once you got through that you know, yeah, you know,

784
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: you're a hardened soldier. Well, now it's a lot more technical,

785
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: it's a lot more tactical, it's a lot more tech savvy,

786
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: shall we say so, I would say that the caliber

787
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: of individuals now moving with the modern world actually suit

788
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: it quite nicely. But when it comes to the resilience

789
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: and and the hardship and the hard you know, it's

790
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: that is lacking.

791
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 4: You know.

792
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: So there's got I like, I like the balance between

793
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: the two. But then you look at the world, you think,

794
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: you know where we headed, you know, are we going

795
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: to ever ever need to suffer such hardships ever? Again?

796
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: You know, you talk about modern day warfare, it's drones, buttons,

797
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: it's technical, it's it's it's tech savvy, it's you know,

798
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: boots on the ground. Yeah, boots on the ground, which

799
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: is always always needed for that, you know, for that

800
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: sort of clarified intel picture. But the way the world's going, yes, softer, definitely.

801
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: But but I think we're I think the younger generation

802
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: are moving in the right direction.

803
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: And I feel sorry sometimes for young men, you know,

804
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: because a lot of words get thrown around these days.

805
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: One that is so overused by people the hero and

806
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: work is toxic masculinitly right now, I get it. I know,

807
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: I know a toxic masculinity is right, I know, but

808
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 3: just but I've seen situations where a person has saved

809
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 3: someone and they've gone out and said, oh, it was

810
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: all about there. It's toxic masculinity, and I just think

811
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: it does my fucking head in. Yeah, I just I

812
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: cannot believe it. It's like, okay, you know all those

813
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: people believe in toxic masculinity, but what about if someone

814
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: breaks into your house he's got a gun and you

815
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: require believe or not, like you know, I just say it,

816
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: but a male to actually help you.

817
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, mate, listens, that's just a word I think. Well,

818
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: I know it's just a fad. You know, lots of

819
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: things have come into play, and you know, all of

820
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: a sudden they're non sustainable. You know, it's like toxic

821
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: what you know, being too masculine, being too you know,

822
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: that's non non sustainable. That's a fad that that's come

823
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: in and it will die out like like all the

824
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: other fads have over the last few years. I don't

825
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: take any notice of it. And at the end of

826
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: the day, when you know, yourself. You know, I know

827
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 1: that I'm a good man. Yes, I've got I've got

828
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: faults of you know, I've got negative traits about me,

829
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: but that that's a tiny percentage of who I am.

830
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: You know, ninety percent of me is good, is compassionate,

831
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: is loving, is empathetic, is you know, is accepting. You know, again,

832
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: going back to being that bully with a weapon, I

833
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: know that in those moments of pure humanity, life and death,

834
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: that that that I'm a good man. You know, my

835
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: instincts are good. So as long as long as I

836
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: know that, then of course you're going to be charged.

837
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: Of course, people are going to jump on the bandwagon,

838
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: and it's very hard not to react to it. But

839
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: ultimately you're reacting to someone else's ideology, someone else else's

840
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: sort of thoughts and process and and I've learned and

841
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: I've learned not to do that. And that's why people say,

842
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: but myself, you know, I just stay true to who

843
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: I am. When people know me for who I am,

844
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: they know exactly what they're going to get, the exactly

845
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: what they're going to be they're getting themselves in for.

846
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: They know exactly that they're going to get a raw

847
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: authentic version of myself. You know, I'm not really going

848
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: to be around the version, but I'm happy to accommodate.

849
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: But then, obviously, with the media and all of these

850
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: fads coming in and out, you can they try and

851
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: fit you into a certain category. And for someone like myself,

852
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: it would be into that category. And I've taken a

853
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: lot of flat through it. But I'm still here, mate.

854
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, it's like, so the storm. As

855
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: long as you the storm will come over you, but

856
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Speaker 1: as long as you stay true to yourself and your

857
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Speaker 1: direction in life, that storm will pass.

858
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Speaker 2: It's you talking about how you're a discipline aian because

859
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: that's what worked for you. That's your coaching style. Now,

860
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: I had to coach Craig Bellamy at the Storm. He

861
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: was very much the same that. Obviously, word for him

862
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Speaker 2: had brought the best out of him. So he was

863
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Speaker 2: like that. His favorite saying was making you, making you

864
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: comfortable with the uncomfortable. Put you in situations on the

865
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Speaker 2: sporting field that would be as uncomfortable as it gets,

866
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Speaker 2: and you train that so when you're out there in

867
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Speaker 2: those situations you feel comfortable in it. I was watching

868
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Speaker 2: The Accountant the other day great movie The Accountant, But

869
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: I got thinking to.

870
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Speaker 1: Come out of the air locker? Did you come out

871
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: of the airlocker straight into the account straight into the

872
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: account He actually thought it was a documentary.

873
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: It was, but I was watching it and leading into

874
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Speaker 2: this interview, I got things I wanted to ask you,

875
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 2: because you are a discipline there, and you're a hard coach.

876
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: You push people hard. In that movie, Ben Affleck, who

877
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: has he plays a character as Aspergess and he's his

878
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: dad had a military background and his theory was, rather

879
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: than bring him up in an environment where he's nurtured,

880
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: he would push his son and put him in the

881
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: most uncomfortable situations to train his mind to be comfortable

882
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: when he was an adult in those situations. And I mean,

883
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: obviously it worked out. He was killing people by the end,

884
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: which we don't condone, not in general society, of course,

885
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 2: but it just it just made me, you know, I think,

886
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: particularly in the modern society where there is a lot

887
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: of not wanting to put people in uncomfortable city situations

888
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: to nurture them, do you think that's a bit of

889
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: a hindrance Like in some cases some cases it isn't,

890
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: But do you think putting people in those situations.

891
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: Well, I did that for you, Cooper. Do remember I

892
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: never used to let the butler cook.

893
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: For you, and it's to pick it up off the floor.

894
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, and now look at me now.

895
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: But do you know what, Cooper, Know, You're exactly right.

896
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: Society doesn't cater for for the uncomfortable. You know, everything

897
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: is done for you. You're you're you're taught where to go,

898
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: you're controlled where to go, you're you know, you're you're

899
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: told how to act, You're you're told how to think,

900
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: especially more and more in modern day society. But I

901
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: always say to my children there's no growth in comfort.

902
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is I will give

903
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: my children enough rope to trip up on, but not

904
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: obviously enough rope to hang themselves hypothetically, because that's irresponsible parenting.

905
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: But I know, I know my son's headed heading into it,

906
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh, son, you know, and I

907
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: could go whoa there, but I'm just like, you know,

908
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: and moments where you just go no, no, no, you know,

909
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: to to my wife, just let them figure it out.

910
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: The bomb is, you know, he's he's hit face first,

911
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: and I'm just like dragging him up and going, son,

912
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: are you're good? Right? Listen? You know? And then but

913
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: nine times out of ten, when you debrief your son

914
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: once or your your children or work colleague or whatever

915
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: it may be, when they've when they've taken a hard full,

916
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: they've already debriefed themselves. You know, they've already figured it

917
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: ninety percent of it. They figured it out themselves. And

918
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: all you do is you you use that small five

919
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: percent where you just point in the right direction and

920
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: guide and protect from the rear right, and it's just like,

921
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: oh no, he's going to hang himself in the right son,

922
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: whoa hold on? My daughter? Whoa dunn? You know, look

923
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: at this in a different way, tackle this a different way.

924
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: I can see what's coming through my life experience. And

925
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: they're the hard conversations that we have through life, right,

926
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: good a little step.

927
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Speaker 3: In their own portholes sometimes finally, Mayor of London.

928
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: Oh, the Mayor of London, what do you what do

929
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: you think? Do you know?

930
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: What?

931
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: Mate? With the Mayor of London's When I look at

932
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: my purpose in life and what I've done and where

933
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: I've been, you know, I'm a server of people. It's

934
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: as simple as that. You know. It's when I was

935
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: in the military, I'd serve my muckers, I'd serve my country.

936
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Speaker 1: I'd serve you know, at the time, the Queen and

937
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: the country men and women of my country. And when

938
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Speaker 1: I look at everything I've done in the media, I'm

939
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: just serving people. And what I mean by serving people,

940
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm there to help you become the best version of

941
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: who you can be. I'm there to help you identify,

942
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: you know where your fears and phobias are, and how

943
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: to overcome them, and how to be emotionally intelligent enough

944
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: and psychologically resilient enough to get through life. And so

945
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: when the Mayor of London, when the Mayor of London

946
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: sort of came up and my name got bantered around,

947
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, do you know what you know?

948
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: I've served in the military. I'm now, you know, in

949
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: this media space where ultimately I'm still serving the people,

950
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: which I truly believe that I am when you when

951
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: you go deep into it and a career, not so

952
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: much in politics, because even though the Mayor of London

953
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: is a small political role, it's not which I really like.

954
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: And hence why I've been really keen to sort of

955
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: push on with it. I just think, you know, with

956
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: the state of London at the moment and the crime

957
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: and the personal safety that's there and you only have

958
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: to you know, walk the streets and see it that

959
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: I feel the need to serve again. And that's what

960
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: it is. Is not I live a good life, trust me,

961
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: Cooper May I live a good life. I'm happy and

962
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: my kids are happy. You know, they're thriving in life,

963
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: bouncing around the world doing my thing.

964
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Speaker 3: You know.

965
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: The last thing I believe it or not I want

966
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Speaker 1: to go back to England is you know it is

967
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: the rain is that is the misery of the UK.

968
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: And if you saw in Afghanistan, I was sad. You

969
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: get the politics.

970
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: That's exactly. So listen. It's not confirmed, but it's not denied.

971
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Speaker 1: It's it's something that I'm really considering with the family.

972
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: But when I left the military, I promised my wife,

973
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: which I didn't do. I promised my wife that I

974
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: put the family first. But when I was in the

975
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: military I didn't and that was for obvious reasons. But

976
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: now it feels like I'm going back on that promise.

977
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: If I jump into into this, well, if.

978
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Speaker 3: You do get in just the reason I ask if

979
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 3: you do get in, I've got a few text problems.

980
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: Haven't we all made? Haven't we all?

981
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: You're a champion mate. We don't take any more of

982
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: your time. We really thank you very much.

983
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Speaker 1: Brother, thank you my man. Guys, thank you m