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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk of Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, has Daniel

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Speaker 1: Ricardo raised his last Grand Prix and Orlando Norris dominates

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Speaker 1: in Singapore, but it's not quite enough to keep his

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Speaker 1: title dream in his own hands. My name is Michael Lomonado,

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Speaker 1: motorsport writer for Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have

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Speaker 1: your company and the company of my co host from

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe.

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Speaker 2: It's that Matt Cosh. Wow, that is the best intro

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Speaker 2: I have ever had. It's certainly the most accurate. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I tried myself on accuracy obviously.

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Speaker 3: Oh that is that is proper ocera as well. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I'm glad you call me a because you know,

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Speaker 3: for our international listeners, very different meanings. Yes, that's Matt

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Speaker 3: is magnificent. What a start. I do just feel like

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Speaker 3: we've got a way better than Lando Norris.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I just feel like that's really sets us up

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Speaker 1: for a big ending to the season, doesn't it. We're

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Speaker 1: now six races away from the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that both championships are alive, one of them, one

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Speaker 1: of them might want me. Maybe neither of them are alive,

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Speaker 1: But we think both of them are. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: obviously the Singapore Grand Prix in a moment, and in

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Speaker 1: particular the situation engulfing Daniel Ricardo as we record this.

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Speaker 1: But Matt, as usual, we're going to start with our

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Speaker 1: five big news stories, and I think the first one

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Speaker 1: might elaborate a little bit on exactly why I've given

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Speaker 1: you such a tremendous introduction, and that is that ahead

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Speaker 1: of the Singapore Grand Prix, FIA President Mohammed ben Sulaiam

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Speaker 1: caused some controversy by likening swearing drivers to rappers, earning

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Speaker 1: rebuke from Lewis Hamilton. And I think it's fair to say,

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Speaker 1: at least it's a rather cackhanded intervention.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because no one else in the world swears other

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Speaker 3: than rappers. There's no other demographic anywhere that swears. Can't

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Speaker 3: it was. I see the point he was trying to make,

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Speaker 3: But it wasn't the best way of making it, really,

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Speaker 1: No, and Max with Staffan certainly didn't think so as well,

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Speaker 1: because it turns out it wasn't all for nothing. NBS's

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Speaker 1: intervention Max with Staffen became after Thursday, just one day

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Speaker 1: in a press conference, something he's since said is the

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Speaker 1: sort of thing that makes extending his stay in F

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Speaker 1: one unattractive. But it did certainly make the rest of

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Speaker 1: the weekend quite interesting.

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Speaker 3: It was good fun. It was. I'm sure we'll discuss

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Speaker 3: it a little bit later on, but it was. I've

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Speaker 3: had very few press conferences while walking down a set

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Speaker 1: Yes, So we'll get to that a little bit later

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Speaker 1: on off track Staying off track, McLaren has been asked

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Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing. The low downforce wing has it's been

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Speaker 1: declared legal so far this season is likely to make

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Speaker 1: only one more appearance anyway, in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't even that we may were using this

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Speaker 3: made it sound. Can I put this statement out that

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Speaker 3: because you know, we're good sports. No, they were told

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Speaker 3: but then it's then open to interpretation, and the latest

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Speaker 3: When you're in the midst of a championship fight, you

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Speaker 3: McLaren that tried to own a situation that it didn't own.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it really did like to emphasize the voluntary aspect

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Speaker 1: is really quite important there. Looking for the driver market,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Franco Colopinto, or as I've dubbed him at and

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Speaker 3: But my understanding is that Vouchreef he's not signed the

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Speaker 1: The timing is unfortunate, isn't it, because he's also been

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Weekly, with the rest of them dividing are divided

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Speaker 3: Year, Matre's new boss. It makes perfect sense, and I

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Speaker 3: think the reason this was putt out because normally this

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Speaker 3: It's not everyone jumping ship, you know, because we've had

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Speaker 3: Weekly Lee, We've had Newly leave. Ultimately Weekly it hit

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Speaker 1: Good news too considering it fended off some rumors that

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Speaker 1: other teams are attempting to poach him and further weaken

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Speaker 1: the Red Bull Racing structure. But for now he is

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Speaker 1: for me, Matt, because it's not confirmed. Despite being all

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Speaker 1: You absorbed this unusual atmosphere and situation around Ricardo. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was really interesting to follow along Ricardo's changing

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Speaker 3: It was very carefully stage managed. Every journalist in that

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Speaker 3: and it's an extraordinary situation. Unfortunately, I didn't get to

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Speaker 3: It was a very busy, very busy weekend. But the

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Speaker 3: dude just doesn't change, you know, he wears his heart

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Speaker 3: then there was so much news that was happening as well,

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Speaker 3: So I love the fact it was very Daniel that

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Speaker 1: Matt Let's move on to the Singapore Grand Prix a

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Speaker 1: little bit more broadly, because, like you said, an important

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Speaker 1: weekend in the championship battle as well, that narrative continues

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Speaker 1: to bubble away. Leno Norris I think answered a lot

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Speaker 1: of critics and some doubts after the last month or

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Speaker 1: so by dominating this race in the way he did

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Speaker 1: in Zandword as well. Probably not a surprise too, really

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Speaker 1: high downforce tracks, but he did so by answering a

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Speaker 1: few questions about his ability to launch away from pole position,

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Speaker 1: held the lead for the first time in his career

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Speaker 1: by the end of the first lap, and then well

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Speaker 1: it didn't seem again.

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Speaker 3: Really did we.

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Speaker 1: It was one point where he'd opened quite a sizeable

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Speaker 1: gap on Max and said he was at about a

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Speaker 1: six out of ten in terms of pace, and then

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Speaker 1: up to that pace and near the end of the

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Speaker 1: race had about a pit more than a pit stop

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Speaker 1: gap over Max was stapping before it closed a little

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Speaker 1: bit while they were lapping, well they were lapping cars

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Speaker 1: traffic towards the end of the race. Really big performance

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Speaker 1: from him, but crucially not quite enough to keep the

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Speaker 1: championship battle entirely in his own hands. Thanks to Daniel

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Speaker 1: Ricardo weirdly enough and then heading that bonus point away

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Speaker 1: from him for the fastest lap. I'll talk about the

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Speaker 1: controversy around that a little bit later on, but is

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Speaker 1: this you know, points is one element, momentum is another, right,

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Speaker 1: and this was a big result for Lando Norris. There's

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Speaker 1: a change your opinion on the status of this title

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Speaker 1: fight the way this race panned out.

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Speaker 3: Not one iota. I'm still firmly believing that Max was

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Speaker 3: Stappen or win the World Championship because he played such

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Speaker 3: a good defensive game through the Singapore cron Prix. Max

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Speaker 3: really outdrove that car. And it's the point that Sir

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Speaker 3: Christna Horner acknowledged a little bit as well. Even Andreas

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Speaker 3: Stella McLaren's team, I'll sort of hinted at that Max

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Speaker 3: drove so well. He didn't have the performance to match

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Speaker 3: the McLaren's, but he got probably more than what he

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Speaker 3: should do. Of Ferraris arguably underperformed, so too the Mercedes

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Speaker 3: to an extent. Also, you've got to say Oscar underperformed.

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Speaker 3: You know, his inability to get the lap in qualifying

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Speaker 3: really came back to bite him quite hard, because if

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Speaker 3: he'd start even third, chances are to finish second because

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Speaker 3: there was so much pace in that McLaren was just

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Speaker 3: ridiculous as it was. It took him time to get

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Speaker 3: through the Mercedes and meant he was too far back

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Speaker 3: from Max to launch an attack. But by finishing third,

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Speaker 3: he didn't take the points off Max if he'd finished second,

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Speaker 3: and that's a key difference. Now they need they need

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Speaker 3: both McLaren's ahead of Max and as brutal as it is, Oscar.

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Speaker 3: Not being ahead of Max now is Oscar underperforming And

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Speaker 3: we have to be really hard now because this is

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Speaker 3: the business end, This is the World Championship that we're

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Speaker 3: talking about. This is what they all play for, So

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Speaker 3: we can't be making excuses when you're in a toe

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Speaker 3: to toe battle like this, the Constructors Championship. McLaren's got

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Speaker 3: that and that will be theirs. They've done well, but

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Speaker 3: in a straight head to head McLaren have an upper

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Speaker 3: hand against Max because I've got two and Oscar just

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Speaker 3: didn't do enough. And that's me being extremely brutal on him.

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Speaker 3: I acknowledge that because he did actually drive a good

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Speaker 3: race in terms of his performance on Sunday that was excellent.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't have got any more out of that car,

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Speaker 3: but he should have got more out of that car

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Speaker 3: by delivering more on the Saturday, so that there's elements

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Speaker 3: there of positives and negatives. Lando was extraordinary. I can't

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Speaker 3: think of well, I can think of two mistakes that

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Speaker 3: he made over the weekend. Thankfully didn't pay for any

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Speaker 3: of them or either of them. But it's not often

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Speaker 3: you get a chance to hit a wall in Singapore

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Speaker 3: and keep going. So that said, I know Max also

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Speaker 3: hit a wall. I saw his tires being wheeled through

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Speaker 3: the paddic and there were some definite witness marks on those,

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Speaker 3: so he brushed the wall. I don't know which side

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Speaker 3: they came off, but yeah, there were definite witness marks

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Speaker 3: on his wheels. But yeah, we're our head to head

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Speaker 3: and Max all he has to do is shadowed Orlando

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Speaker 3: to the checkered flag at every event for the rerangers

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Speaker 3: of the year and his world champion. That was the

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Speaker 3: importance of the Daniel Ricardo Fastest lap. The championship is

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Speaker 3: no longer in Lando set. I mean he had to

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Speaker 3: win everything basically as it was, and it was always unrealistic.

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Speaker 3: But now that we've hit that tipping point where he

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Speaker 3: now relies on Max's results for his own championship hopes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the average point score required is now eight point

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Speaker 1: seven points per round up from eight point four earlier,

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Speaker 1: and that is the difference. It is that one point. So,

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Speaker 1: like you say, McLaren having two cars and the fight

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Speaker 1: potentially changes this in many respects. Norris gott unlucky, not

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Speaker 1: just because Piastre couldn't string together that lap in Q three,

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Speaker 1: and it must be said he had the time in

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Speaker 1: him had he repeated his Q two lap, he would

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Speaker 1: have started alongside him on the front row, and this

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Speaker 1: would have been a completely different championship outcome, maybe even

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Speaker 1: a different race, because he would have been perhaps more

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Speaker 1: competitive for the victory there's that album on it, but

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Speaker 1: also for Ari's underperformance classic on a weekend that they

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Speaker 1: were really hoping that they'd be to win make up

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Speaker 1: for that lost victory in Azerbaijan. Neither driver set a

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Speaker 1: time in Q three one for a crash one for

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Speaker 1: the leaded lap, they almost certainly would have finished, as

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Speaker 1: you said, ahead of Max. For staffit. Instead of talking

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Speaker 1: about this seven point swing, we might have been talking

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Speaker 1: about something closer to fifteen and that would have really

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Speaker 1: changed the complexion of things. So a little bit of

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Speaker 1: luck not with Norris at this point in time, but

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Speaker 1: six races left really interesting to see how they unfold.

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Speaker 1: I think if there is any hope in this, and

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Speaker 1: I'm largely on your side, I think this is max

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Speaker 1: Is to lose, if not just because of the points

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Speaker 1: picture now it is this upgrade red Bull Ringing Red

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Speaker 1: Bull Racing is bringing to Austin the next race at

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Speaker 1: the end of October. This is the upgrade I think

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Speaker 1: will solve some of the problems it's been facing this year.

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Speaker 1: And if it works, it's really difficult to imagine Norris

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Speaker 1: in any circumstances closing those points, even if he continues

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Speaker 1: to be in the fastest car. You just don't think

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Speaker 1: Red Bull's going to struggle relative to Ferrari and Mercedes

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. If it doesn't work, though,

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Speaker 1: and Ferrari and Mercedes are still close, or Ferrari itself,

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Speaker 1: which hopes it's fixed its problem, is still close, that's

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Speaker 1: really the only circumstance Norris can use to try and

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Speaker 1: make up that points different. So I think a lot's

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Speaker 1: really going to hinge on the next race, But as

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Speaker 1: it stands, after Singapore, which should have been a big

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Speaker 1: opportunity to score against Max, that's where the situation is,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately for Lando Norris. I want to talk briefly about

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Speaker 1: Sergio Perez here as well. This was the last of

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Speaker 1: the four races we've been talking about a lot at

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Speaker 1: which his career was meant to hinge at Red Bull Racing.

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Speaker 1: It still seems, as we talked about briefly in the

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Speaker 1: previous segment, I think that he would still be considered

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Speaker 1: a risk for twenty twenty five. Who really can't turn

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Speaker 1: it around from here. But considering he'd done so well

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Speaker 1: in Azerbaijan and that sort of built up a little

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Speaker 1: bit of hype for him approaching Singapore, another track at

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Speaker 1: which is one and he's normally done quite well at.

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Speaker 1: This was really a bit of a nothing performance when

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Speaker 1: Max was back to his best.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he is at risk for next year. My

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Speaker 3: understanding is that he needed to be within the X

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Speaker 3: number of points at the summer break and he wasn't

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Speaker 3: within That makes us happened so his contract for next

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Speaker 3: year is there is an option there to just simply

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Speaker 3: not renew with so Jo Perez and that could bake

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Speaker 3: Abydub his last race with no Swan Song. But at

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Speaker 3: the moment he's safe because there's nobody else in that

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Speaker 3: system to replace him with. You know, you're not gonna

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Speaker 3: put Yuki Snoder in there for whatever reason. Actually, I

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Speaker 3: think really good indication as to why Red Bulls not

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Speaker 3: going to promote Snodo came during the team orders called

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Speaker 3: midway through the race, when Snoda found himself behind Daniel

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Speaker 3: Ricardo and got extremely angry over the radio. Daniel was asked,

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Speaker 3: you know, Daniel said that he was asked around the

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Speaker 3: start finished line to let him by by eleven three

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Speaker 3: by turn seven, which is exactly what Daniel did. So

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Speaker 3: within a third of a lap of being asked, the

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Speaker 3: deed was done. But prior to that he was getting

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Speaker 3: extremely angry. Is do you want a driver that's got

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Speaker 3: that lack of emotional control in a car that's capable

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Speaker 3: of winning races and he just makes too many of

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Speaker 3: those sorts of mistakes Cause you look at all the

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Speaker 3: really good guys and they are so cool. You know,

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Speaker 3: your Max gets fiery when things aren't going right, but

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Speaker 3: when he's in control, things are very under control. Same

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Speaker 3: with Lewis same with Oscar. You just listen to Oscar

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Speaker 3: of the radio, and you know, you could be sitting

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Speaker 3: in a lounge chair somewhere. But yeah, Sergio is an

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Speaker 3: important part of rebull just looping back at you know,

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Speaker 3: the Constructors Championship. Obtumately, he's the reason they're im going

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Speaker 3: to win it. That's that's an expensive miss because the

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Speaker 3: Constructors Championship you get more prize money for it. That

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Speaker 3: there is a financial reason to wanting to win. It's

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Speaker 3: not just braking rights. The Driver's Championship is one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent breaking right. So literally it's something that you can

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Speaker 3: go on market. But I've said this before. Who remembers

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Speaker 3: who won the twenty twenty one Drivers Championship, Who remembers

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Speaker 3: who won the twenty twenty one Contructors Championship. They weren't

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Speaker 3: the same. So yeah, the Constructors Championships one thing. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't have the bragging rights, it doesn't have the same marketability,

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Speaker 3: but it does have all the prize money. So Sergio

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Speaker 3: is a liability.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting Christian Horner talking to Sky

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Speaker 1: Sports I think on Saturday, talked about it's relatively open

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Speaker 1: about this driver situation and admitted that Daniel Ricarta. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if it's the first time he's really openly

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Speaker 1: said it like this, but he certainly was pretty open.

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Speaker 1: He said Daniel Accater was brought in in case Sergio

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Speaker 1: Perez drops the ball, and he didn't say that Sergio

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Speaker 1: Perez had cost his team the Constructors Championship in the

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Speaker 1: same sentence. So I don't know what dropping the ball

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Speaker 1: is in his mind if that's not it, But anyway,

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Speaker 1: story for another day. Final note though, Matt here is

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Speaker 1: maxw Wassapp and did have a great race of damage inmitation,

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Speaker 1: as you said, drove a really good groand prix to

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Speaker 1: finished second in a race probably that car should have

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Speaker 1: finished closer to fifth or sixth perhaps, which keeps his

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Speaker 1: championship very much in his hands or exclusively in his

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Speaker 1: hands now. But if you were attending the official post

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Speaker 1: session press conferences, you wouldn't have heard much about it

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Speaker 1: at all. He said at one point he had problem

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Speaker 1: with his throat. Of course that's not the case. It's

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Speaker 1: this swearing drama that rocked the weekend. We talked a

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Speaker 1: little bit about it the stuf of the show. This declaration,

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Speaker 1: this is actually stemming back to a change in International

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Speaker 1: Sporting Code earlier in the year that defines misconductors essentially

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Speaker 1: using Fouti language to summarize quite a long paragraph in

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Speaker 1: that book, and Max with Staffan became the first person

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Speaker 1: penalized for this kind of misconduct. He has to do

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Speaker 1: some community service agreed upon with the FIA, and in

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Speaker 1: protests against this, essentially refused to answer any questions in

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Speaker 1: press conferences and held his press conferences outdoors or downstairs.

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Speaker 1: As you said earlier, this is interesting. I think it's

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Speaker 1: interesting in his own right sort of you know, one

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Speaker 1: of those things that tends to happen in Formula one.

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Speaker 1: You had these weird, these funny little power struggles and dynamics.

648
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Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting the way he said

649
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: after I think it was the end of the weekend,

650
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: that these are the sort of things that makes him

651
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: not want to continue racing in Formula one. There's always

652
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: been this talk that he won't go past the end

653
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: of his contract in twenty twenty eight. He'll retire young,

654
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: go and do other stuff, whatever he wants to do.

655
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: He's got a life outside Formula one. Admittedly, most of

656
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: that seems to be him racing but none the less,

657
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: I just found that quite interesting and see get in

658
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: the context of an FI that's felt increasingly interventionists this year,

659
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: that this is now having an effect on the drivers

660
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: and not just disgruntled teams.

661
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: So Max made a point of saying, this is nothing

662
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: against the stewards. This is not their fault. They were

663
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: constrained by the words in the International Sporting Code. Now

664
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: that there's two ways of looking at this, I'll get

665
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: onto the scenario surrounding Max because at a front row

666
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: seat it was brilliant around that. But there's two ways

667
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: to look at this. Firstly, the FI. I read a

668
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: piece about this over the weekend on Speak Cafe. There's

669
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: two elements to it. That the FIA press conferences, the

670
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: official media sessions, are a broadcast, so what drivers say

671
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: in there is beamed into homes where you know, levels

672
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: of offense differ from individual to individual. What you may

673
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: find offensive Michael I may not. And conversely, you know,

674
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: people call me a red nut, doesn't bother me. I'm

675
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: a tooth ginger. You're going to do well to offend me,

676
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: but other people do easily get offended. So we've got

677
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: to tell the conservative line and there are guidelines for

678
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: that globally when it comes to television. It's why whenever

679
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: you hear swearing on Sky, particularly if you watch in Australia,

680
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: they will always immediately apologize for the language. And it's

681
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: why and the press conference on Thursday that Tom Clarkson

682
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: apologized for Max's language, which also caused offense for Max.

683
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: Strangely enough, Max was offended not by the swearing but

684
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: by the apology in an irony, ironic twist of fate.

685
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: But there are penalties involved through the regulators in the UK,

686
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: particularly when it comes to television, that if it's not

687
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: apologized or they can be, they can be fined. So

688
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily the FIA trying to set the rules.

689
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: It's basically the FA trying to protect them broadcasters in

690
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: many respects and also just at the same time show

691
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: a level of respect because swearing is still for a

692
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: lot of people quite a brain and unacceptable on television.

693
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: We might all swear in our private lives and in

694
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: private conversations, but on television it's sort of it's still

695
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: a little bit taboo. So there's that element of the

696
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: broadcast that I think the FIA that's what I think

697
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: Mauma ben Salam is trying to tidy up. He didn't

698
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: explain it well in his comments and that's unfortunate, and

699
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: that's that is what's really underpinned all of this. The

700
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: second element is the radio, and this is where it

701
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: all got a bit blurred because all the drivers, all

702
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: of them but the vast majority. You're in the maxim

703
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: stuff in camp and Lewis Hamilton is the only one

704
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: who sort of said, well, no, I kind again, I understand,

705
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: but even Lewis has said I wouldn't do the community

706
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: service that Max has been loved with, So that's curious.

707
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: But in the car, is it appropriate for us to

708
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: complain about language and being offended when we're eves dropping

709
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: on private conversations. The FAA didn't like it, so they

710
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: took the microphones off of race control. So how can

711
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: the FAA sit there on its big white horse and

712
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 3: be all righteous and pious about this when they took

713
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: it out of their own staff. So you can't complain

714
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: about swearing on the radio, and if they don't like it,

715
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: they either have to live with it or take the

716
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: microphones away. It's that simple, because it's not appropriate for

717
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: drivers to moderate their language or their behavior. When they're

718
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: in the car doing their jobs. They're not there for

719
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: us at that point. They're doing their jobs when they're

720
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: in the media sessions, different story. But the FAA just

721
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: needs to get its nose out of the radio and

722
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: leave that to the teams. I don't think team brought

723
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: team radio should be broadcast at all press conferences if

724
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: they swear fair call. I think Max was harshly dealt with,

725
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: but a penalty of some sort is warranted. But in

726
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: the car, this is.

727
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: Where we differ slightly. I think broadcasts should be on

728
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: the television. Radio transmission should be on the television because

729
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: it does make it does add to the spectacle. I

730
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: think it adds really well to the spectacle, and it

731
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: gives an insight into the pressure they're under. Because you

732
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: can identify differences in drivers when they're radioing their team

733
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: impaired you when they're out of the car. I think

734
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: that difference illuminates a little bit the pressure drivers are under.

735
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: I also don't have a pressure with them simply being censored.

736
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand where this issue MBS the president has

737
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: with just censoring the bad language as it always has been.

738
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: I know you can't access it if you have an

739
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: f one TV account or some places that you can

740
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: find it online the uncensored audio, but you have to

741
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: go and seek that out. It's not a case we're

742
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: being broadcast via the mass media a sensor and have

743
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: a problem with the press conference. I understand, don't get

744
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: me wrong. I just think coming in immediately with a penalty,

745
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: having Max with staff and go before the stewards and

746
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: now have to do this community service so that already

747
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: does it. Maybe he's another question, go before the stewards

748
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: the day after. Yes, well yeah, it just seems so

749
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: unnecessarily heavy handed, when surely you would have also got

750
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: a better response from him by asking, by just telling him, look,

751
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: we can't if this is being broadcast. It's not like

752
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: the broadcasters can't they can't do that, like they can't

753
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: handle that. I don't know if the press conference goes

754
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: out live too many broadcasters, maybe that's something that is

755
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: part of it. And I also I'm not sure i'd

756
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: have to go back and look. But I think he's

757
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: swearing happened to be I don't think he did this deliberately.

758
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: In the written only part of the press conference, which

759
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: isn't broadcast, or isn't supposed to be broadcast, sometimes does

760
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: make it to television after the fact. That's sort of

761
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different story. So I just

762
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 1: think that the handling of it again is the problem here.

763
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: It would be so easy for the FIA to have

764
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: just said, look, Max, we can't this being broadcast, please

765
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: mind your language, and I'm sure he would have because

766
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't often swear in press conference. I can't think

767
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: of the last time he saw in a press conference.

768
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: But when you start to fire up the drivers like this,

769
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: that's when you start to get pushback. And as a result,

770
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: this has become inflamed and a difficult situation. And who

771
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: knows how long Max is going to go on with

772
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: this no answers in press conference thing. You'll probably stop

773
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: at the next race, But who knows, because we don't

774
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: know what the FIA is going to do subsequent to this.

775
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: Are they going to try and enforce that team that

776
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: community order, We don't know. So I think the whole

777
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: thing is just an unnecessary mess from something that started

778
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: with an understand Like you sort of say, it's something

779
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: that's started from an understandable place, you know, I don't

780
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: begrudge Muhammed ben so I am asked wanting drivers to

781
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 1: not swear in press conferences. That's fine, but the way

782
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: that it's been gone about being achieved, I think is

783
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: just pretty silly. But we'll see how that goes in

784
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: a future race. Matt, it's time for the championship, alternative Championship,

785
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: not the actual one. That's still has six races to

786
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: go on that many episodes of the Alternative Championship still

787
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: to go, which is very exciting. I'm not sure if

788
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: we're going to take a little bit of a break

789
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: from the Alternative Championship during this weird other mid second

790
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: mid season break, but nonetheless it's could be a big one.

791
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I it depends what happens, depends on anyone

792
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: says something silly that we can take some points away for,

793
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: because that typically is what we do with the alternative Championships.

794
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: It's very rare that we give points. So, yeah, the

795
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: championship where the points don't matter. The alternative it was.

796
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: Don't they They're just silly points though.

797
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: Because we have there is a winner, it's the one

798
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: they all want to win. An eighteen ywi He's going

799
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 3: to take some beating fifty nine million points points. Yeah,

800
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: so it was a good weekend for the Alternative Championship

801
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: because there was so much happening you could really I

802
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: struggled to bring this down to three. I had that

803
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: thirty seven people on the list at various points when

804
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: I brought it down to three. And it's appol that

805
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: we're talking about Max of Staffan just now and swearing

806
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: because my first candidate is maxis Staffan, and I'm going

807
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: to take six hundred and sixty points from him. And

808
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: the reason I'm taking six hundred and sixty points is

809
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: because I had a bit of a look and I

810
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: couldn't find any particular offense for swearing on television. But

811
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: the closest I came was the New South Wales Summary

812
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 3: of Offenses Act nineteen eighty eight, Section four A. The

813
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 3: is an offense to use offensive language in or near

814
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: or within hearing from a public place or a school. Now,

815
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't know how many school there are. A Marina baby,

816
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: he was in a public place, so I'm calling that

817
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: fair enough. The language can result to a find him

818
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: up to six hundred and sixty dollars or imprisonment, So

819
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 3: I've gone easy on him. He could have just been

820
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: thrown in jail. That's the power the Alternative Championship has. Instead,

821
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: I've just decided to take the six to sixty off him.

822
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: I like that a lot he's been given. Look, prison

823
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: remains an option if he's a repeat offender. I'm sure

824
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: that we can imprison in the Alternative Championship, but we'll

825
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: have to wait and see if he reoffends. Sticking to

826
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: that theme, I'm taking one hundred points off Muhammed ben

827
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: Salaam for attempting to moralize but in an immoral way

828
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: by using his rappers comment. I think everyone immediately agreed

829
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: was probably on the nose. I feel sorry for people

830
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: sometimes working in the FIA Communications department who have to

831
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: deal with them fall out from this. But I just

832
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: thought that, like I've already sort of said something that

833
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: started with something most people probably would have agreed with,

834
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: that we don't need swearing in press conferences. Just really

835
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: let himself down after that. So it's one hundred points off.

836
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: No prison time.

837
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: Crucially, well it's only it's imprisonment for up to three months,

838
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: so it'd be up pretty quickly. You'd see the season end.

839
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: Just about all be up for Christmas. I'm going to

840
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: stay along the same theme and my humband tallam in

841
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: So I had to do some digging, but I did

842
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: found that the New South Wales some of the offenses

843
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: at nineteen eighty eight outlied that the law around offensive

844
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 3: language under section four A. I'm taking six hundred and

845
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: sixty points off of him as well, for exactly the

846
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: same reason as I did. Max. I don't again, I'm

847
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: absolutely with you. I don't think swearing should be in

848
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: the press conferences. I mean, it doesn't offend me, but

849
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: I understand the rationale behind it, and I accept that

850
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: that's the world we live in. If we've sworn on

851
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: this podcast, and I don't remember if we have or not,

852
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: I'm sure it will be appropriately be appropriately beeped out.

853
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: It's just the world we're living. It is what it is.

854
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: And if we want to make the sport accessible, then

855
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: we can't have that. But if you're going to make

856
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: the point, make it in a considered way, don't make

857
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 3: it in a ham fisted way that is perceivably derogatory

858
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 3: to some people. And that's the point that Lewis Hamilton

859
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: made about MBS as well, which I think was a

860
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: very fair and valid point.

861
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely right. I'm going to give four points now

862
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: or five points now, bigy pardon oh. I wasn't sure

863
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: if I wanted to give or take them away, but

864
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to give them, partly because I think I

865
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: like him Laurel Mechis for confessing that even he doesn't

866
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: know what's going on with his driver lineup, he probably

867
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: knows more than he's letting on, of course, but I

868
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: did appreciate that by the end of the weekend he

869
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: was pretty honest by saying, gee, I hope we get

870
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: clarity soon on the standy Raccono's situation. So five points

871
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: for him at least giving us a little bit of

872
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: little tiny bit of transparency on what's been quite a

873
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: messy week for our being.

874
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: I mean to know what sticky to bring to the

875
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: next track.

876
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: I guess exactly what flag, or you could just cross

877
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: out some of the Australian flag. I guess it ends

878
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: up colored in red.

879
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: Get a bit of blue out for some bits, get

880
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: a bit of red out for others. Yeah, I like it.

881
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 3: I like it. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, that's good. That's good.

882
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: I want you to do your third because I want

883
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: to end this with a with a big bang. Okay,

884
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: all right, my third is an absolute cracker. I want

885
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: you to go with your third because I want I

886
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: want the Champagne moment at the end here.

887
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: Okay, very good, all right, I'm happy to do that.

888
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: It's only one point. I'm going to give Daniel Ricardo

889
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: one point for the fastest lap. He wasn't awarded the

890
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: one point, of course, because you've finished outside the to

891
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: well outside the top ten, but for during a weekend

892
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: he didn't deserve. As I've already spoken, I think he

893
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: deserves at least the point for fastest lap, along with

894
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: the driver of the day thing, which I'm sure was

895
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: definitely voted on by the fans in this instance, one

896
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: point to go out on.

897
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: I like that. I like that. In fact, I like

898
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: it so much that i've I've taken that for my reason,

899
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: but I haven't given him one point. I think Daniel's

900
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: bigger than one point. Yes, I think the fact that

901
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: the world spoke the whole world, not just not just

902
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: Formula one. The world spoke not just Daniels fans. The

903
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: whole world spoke in support of Daniel and acknowledgment of Daniel,

904
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 3: and I think that in its self deserveed for recognition.

905
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: So I'm giving Daniel one point for every personal life

906
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: eight point two billion points.

907
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: Alway's gonna it's gonna be tough to beat him from here.

908
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: He's going to have to drop the ball somewhere in

909
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: a big way. Is and he So the problem is

910
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: now gonna have to get the calculator out and work

911
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 3: out how that one point that you've given him affects

912
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: the score.

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00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's now a one point two billion

914
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: point per ra turn around the client.

915
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 3: That's big. It's even ass cut out. You're not looking

916
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: quite so impressive anymore.

917
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: We thought he was locked into this victory, but a

918
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: lace contender emerges in the shape of Daniel Riccardo. Very exciting.

919
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 3: And you know, there's a good analogy here because early

920
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: in this championship Yuki Snoda was leading it for a

921
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: long time. He had Daniel covered.

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00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: He's blow He's blowing out of the water. Remarkable scenes

923
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: in the alternative Championship. How will it unfold for the

924
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: rest of the year. You'll have to wait and see,

925
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Speaker 1: because that's all the time we have for pit Talk today.

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Speaker 1: Matt Costion me Michael Lomonado, thanks very much for your

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Speaker 1: company and will catch you in the weeks ahead of

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Speaker 1: the United States Grand Prix.